1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: Today is the twenty third anniversary of the awful attack 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: on America on nine to eleven. I remember it, maybe 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: not like it was yesterday, but I remember it well. 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Ramone suggested that we dig into the archives and post 6 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: something from that day, and well, he really thought this 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: one was the best one. So, first of all, Ramone 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: never suggests anything, and it never usually makes sense to do. 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: But in this case, it really did. It really really did. 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: And so from the archive to remember twenty three years ago. 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: The interview itself is from twenty ten, our conversation with 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: President George W. 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Bush. 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: Mister President. In the book, you talk about some Houston 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: memories which our Houston audience I know will enjoy. You 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: talk about going to Kincaid and of course your parents 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: live here. When you think about Houston and being in 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: Houston tonight, you'll be at your book signing in Houston tomorrow. 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: Where do you think about going for a burger? What 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: are the fond memories of Houston. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Michael, it is an honor to 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: talk to the Czar of Texas Radio. And I am 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: going to be in Houston to night at Houston Baptist 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: university and then signing books tomorrow. I think about you 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: know what I think about. I think about the Houston cult, 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: forty five's, eventually the Astros, and I remember going I'm 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: a huge baseball fan, and I remember going out to 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: the park, the old park, next to next to the 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: roller coaster, watching the Major League Baseball team take root 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: in Houston. And I had a lot of fond memories 31 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: in Houston. Obviously my mother and dad were there. I 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my formative years there, and I've 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of friends in Houston. 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: Well, you say in the book you had the dream 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: job running the Texas Rangers, and you gave it all 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: up to run for governor when even your mom said 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: you couldn't win. 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: So you know, there you go at my call mom, 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: I said, Mom, I'm thinking about running against Anne Richards 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: and she said, you can't win. 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: I love that line. I love that line, mister President. 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: The media was often unflattering of you, starting with your 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: win in two thousand and I was one of the 44 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: folks that went on the strike force with your friend 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: Fred Ziman to Louisiana and then to Missouri, both of 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: which we won. And it just seemed like the media 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,279 Speaker 3: was out to get you. I would argue a Republican 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: will never get a fair shake after your election. It 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: seemed like it seemed like they were out to get you. 50 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: There was a lot that was unflattering that was said 51 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: about you. You're right, What did you feel was the 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 3: most unfair thing that was said? 53 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: A well, you know, it's amazing. First of all, I 54 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: didn't feel the media was at to get me. I 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: really didn't. And I believe this or not, I've got 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: great admiration for the notion of a press challenging those 57 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: of us who are fortunate enough to hold power. I 58 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: think it's very important part of our democracy. You know, 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: there was you know, some for example, newspapers were pretty 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: consistent in their criticism. But that's okay. You know, as 61 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: I travel around now and I'm signing these books, for example, 62 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: a lot but not a lot, and a number of 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: people welcome and say you're much taller than I thought 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: you were, which is a confirmation that images get set. 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I joke about the book when I 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: say there is shock in some quarters of our society 67 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: because some thought I couldn't read much less right, And 68 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I think when people read this book decision points, they'll 69 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: see that I was very deliberative, that I listened to 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: different opinions, that I was, you know, open minded about 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: different subjects. But they will also learn I wouldn't compromise 72 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: my principles. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: Well, and on that point I appreciated and was not 74 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: aware on the Stemstell issue, Stimsdale's got a full chapter 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: in your book. I don't know that I remembered what 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: a big deal that was. Early in your presidency pre 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, you had pro life advocates on one side, 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: you had Nancy Reagan writing you letters on the other, 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: the science versus morality issue. It seems you seem to 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: say that you were misunderstood on the issue, and particularly 81 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: that Democrats ran in O four as if you were 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: anti science. How would you like to be remembered on. 83 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: That, Well, Michael, this is the reason I've dedicated to 84 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: chapter to it. One. It was a very controversial subject. Secondly, 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: I do think that society constantly has to balance ethics 86 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: and science. For example, that's been the case to that history. Thirdly, 87 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: I wanted people to know those on the principle that 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: all life is precious. Uh. Fourthly, I wanted people to 89 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: see how the issue evolved as I listened to a 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: lot of people and felt like I found a reasonable 91 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: middle ground, in other words, that we wouldn't destroy embryon 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: embryos uh proactively, but we could use our society could 93 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: use uh tax your money, taxpayers money to do research 94 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: on stem cells where the decision had already been made 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and UH, and it was it was I'm trying to 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: get his piece. People said, wow, it's a reasonable position, 97 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, politics and money took 98 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: over and the issue got distorted. And UH. The good 99 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: news about the issue is that research UH now enables 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: scientists to use adult stem cells, so the life decision 101 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: is is no longer as relevant as it was in 102 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: the past. 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: You know, nobody could argue that you didn't write this 104 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: book yourself, because the words you say I can hear 105 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: from the book which I just finished lately in exactly 106 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: the same way. 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: It's fascinating you say. 108 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: That was my purpose. Michael. I met with a bunch 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: of historians and to a person, they said, look, make 110 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: sure this sounds like you write it. Don't try to 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: fashion history, and don't try to kind of shape a 112 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: legacy just write what you saw, what you heard. And 113 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: I said, well, look, I want I don't want to 114 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: really want it to be about me. I want it 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: to be about the decisions I made, so that our 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: fellow citizens, whether they agree or didn't agree with the decisions, 117 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: can have a deeper understanding of what it was like 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: to be the president in the first eight years of 119 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: the twenty first century. 120 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 3: Miss President, nine to eleven was a day that shook 121 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: America and it changed your presidency. Tell me something about 122 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: that day that you've never told anyone that may have 123 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: changed our perspective. Something shocking from that day. 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know, what was shocking was that the communications 125 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: were so poor that the fog of war really never lifted. 126 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: I think one of the I think a couple of 127 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: points on that day. I think people will be interested 128 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: in one. There was no humor that day, except for 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: a moment when I called my parents. I finally found 130 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: mother and dad and I said, all right. They said Wisconsin, 131 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: and my mother said, I said to my mother, what 132 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: are you doing there? She said, you grounded our plane. 133 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: The other thing is is that, wait a. 134 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: Second, your parents were in a motel. You say, even better, 135 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: right outside. 136 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: Of Milwaukee, and they had been grounded. You know, all 137 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: planes were grounded. I think people will One thing that 138 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: people don't know and will when they read the book 139 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: is that I had this sickening feeling when when I 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: heard the flight ninety three went down Shanksville, that it 141 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: was shot down on my orders. And you know, I'd 142 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: given the order to shoot down planes after certain procedures 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: had been followed, and I did that in order to, 144 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, try to enhance our security. And then I 145 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: heard ninety three goes down, and there was a moment 146 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: where I said, oh, my goodness, this is you know, 147 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I ordered the shoot down of a commercial lar. Then 148 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: I heard the story of Todd Biemer and the other 149 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: courageous passengers who who showed unbelievable courage. The other interesting 150 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: I think people find it interesting is what happened when 151 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: after I got back to the White House and Lauren 152 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Iron bed and an agent said, mister President, the White 153 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: House is under attack. Let's go, and we scrambled and 154 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: hustled down in the basement of the White House, and 155 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: airman said, mister President was one of ours. And what 156 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: had happened was one of the planes that was supposed 157 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: to be patrolling. The scouter was patrolling. Disgies was headed 158 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: back to Andrews Air Force Base with the Wongs transponder signal, 159 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and people thought this was the final plane that was 160 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: headed to the White House. 161 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: What I enjoyed about your retelling of them coming to 162 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: get you and sending you down into the bunker is 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: scooping up the dogs as you went along. You really 164 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: put a personal perspective. 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: Well, I tried to, you know what, I love writing 166 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the book and it's really fine. And one of the 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: more difficult aspects was to properly convey emotion and uh 168 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: and set the scene so the reader can, as best 169 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: as possible vividly imagine what has taken what was taking place. 170 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: Mister President, you said that that there's no do over. 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: You'll live with the consequences of the decisions you made. 172 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: But if there were a do over, would you carpet 173 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: bomb Afghanistan and Pakistan, the regions where you believed at 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: the time Osama bin Laden most likely lived. Should we 175 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: have done everything in our power to kill him? 176 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Well? We did, And you know the thing about it 177 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: is that when you're first of all, no, we shouldn't 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: have been indiscriminate in the use of weaponry. Uh. The 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: best way to deal with these terrorists. And still the 180 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: best way is to get good intelligence and then act 181 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: upon it. And uh we we we we moved you know, 182 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: all assets, not a lot of assets to try to 183 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: find him, and it was we were trying to find 184 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: one guy in a very remote part of the world. 185 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: My regret is we didn't bring him to justice. But 186 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, for example, in the book, I make it 187 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: clear that the dilemma that any president will face UH 188 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: in putting troops into a sovereign nation like Pakistan, and uh, 189 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: you know that the democracy can't withstand uh the in 190 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: essence troop boots on the ground from a from another 191 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: country without permission from the government. And so the idea 192 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: of indiscriminately you know, bombing in a in a sovereign 193 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: country was just not a possibility. 194 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: Congratulations the groundbreaking for the Bush Center today at s 195 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: m U. Miss President, A couple of comments I wanted 196 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: to make from reading the book, and I know you 197 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 3: need to go one of the things that strikes me 198 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: early in book as you go to great links to 199 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: point out that there were some democrats that worked with 200 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: you as partners when they didn't have to, and it 201 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: launched your career, and it was good for the state 202 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: of Texas. You single out Pete Laney and Bob Bullock. 203 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: I thought that was a real class act that a guy, 204 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: after leaving the White House went all the way back 205 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: to your early years as governor and pointed out, we 206 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 3: wouldn't the world wouldn't know George Bush. But for that, 207 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: I thought that that was pretty neat. 208 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: I also appreciate the fact that throughout the book you 210 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: have a self deprecating manner, which I think has been 211 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: your style. I think it makes you look like a 212 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: bigger person, and that leads to me your biggest compliment 213 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: your unwillingness to criticize Barack Obama. It's a job I 214 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: take up, it's a job Rush Limbaugh takes up. But 215 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: your silence on the issue of the job he's doing 216 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: is deafening. And I have to tell you talked about 217 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: Truman's place in history. I think your place in history 218 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: is partly going to be affected by your post presidential 219 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: behavior and the dignity that you and your family have 220 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: always carried to the office. So I appreciate you for 221 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: that and one final thing. I asked my listeners to 222 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: tell me something about you, that there's something that they 223 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: want me to share. And to a person, what I 224 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: heard was tell him thank you for the way he 225 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 3: carried himself in office, and for honoring the memories of 226 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: the people who died on nine to eleven, and for 227 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: what he did and continues to do. That beautiful picture 228 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: in Dallas. I believe it's Dallas, or maybe it's sport 229 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: Hood where you're thanking the soldiers. How much that means 230 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: to the members of our military and their family so on, 231 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: behalf of all Americans in the way you conduct yourself. 232 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Michael. It's good talking to the 233 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: czar of Texas Radio. 234 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: If you like Michael Berry Show in podcast, please tell 235 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: one friend, and if you're so inclined, write a nice 236 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: review of our podcast. 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