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Speaker 3: You know you wanted to go into reunite.
Speaker 1: It you neted and it feels so good.
Speaker 3: I love when she does that.
Speaker 1: Still Music to My Ears. Season seven, episode thirty one,
Speaker 1: Graduation Day, Part one, aired May twenty first, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Synopsis. Donna's planning to put her cap on and take
Speaker 3: her clothes off a graduation day, but David doesn't know
Speaker 3: it yet. Steve is back to pranking while his relationship
Speaker 3: with Clara's tanking. Kelly convinces Brand to kick Valerie out
Speaker 3: of Cossa Walsh, leaving her down and out in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: So Good, Lorraine, directed by Jory, written by Larry Mullen.
Speaker 2: A Field Lorraine. That was one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a really good one.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 1: She keeps stopping herself with these synopsis, we.
Speaker 2: Might need to start like putting them in the notes,
Speaker 2: you know, like where people so they can read them
Speaker 2: because we laugh over them so much.
Speaker 1: That was so good. I think that's a good idea her.
Speaker 3: She's on point with her puns always.
Speaker 2: Lorraine, and just start making the write up, the synopsis,
Speaker 2: the rite up for the episode.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm here for that. She's like work once for twice.
Speaker 1: That's great this episode. What did you guys think? In general?
Speaker 3: It was very sentimental because it was like, Okay, this
Speaker 3: is our final graduation, you know, and there were so
Speaker 3: many sentimental things. I really loved the Jason directed these
Speaker 3: to the part one part two because it feels it
Speaker 3: felt right and it felt authentically us, which was really important.
Speaker 3: And there was so much going on. I don't know
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Jason always brings. He brings the heart, yeah, and a
Speaker 2: few times he's kind of deviated from this, but he
Speaker 2: does bring a little bit of zany to it typically,
Speaker 2: and we saw that with the praying.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I loved it talking about yeah that
Speaker 1: parts maybe laugh.
Speaker 2: He has such a unique style when he directs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, visually, his storytelling process is always spend something we've
Speaker 3: really admired about him.
Speaker 2: I would like you all to know that I spent
Speaker 2: I take long showers. So I spent twenty minutes in
Speaker 2: the shower. Wow, probably yesterday. I think it was analyzing why.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know this is a this is
Speaker 2: a story that I bring up and bring it up
Speaker 2: and bring.
Speaker 1: It now it's the val story.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it actually has to do with Claire.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: The other that was like I want to write a
Speaker 2: thesis on this. Why do I care so much less
Speaker 2: about Valerie and Claire who did more episodes or significant
Speaker 2: amounts of episodes than the core group, and yet I'm
Speaker 2: so easy to get rid of them. I'm like, bye, Claire,
Speaker 2: Like what with you?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're the only person that feels
Speaker 1: that way or not. I really don't know. But analyze
Speaker 1: your analyzation brought you too.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I will explain Law and Order, s Er, Chicago, Med,
Speaker 2: all the West Wing, all these shows that I love.
Speaker 2: People come and go. The core group is not there
Speaker 2: as the years go on, and I literally do not care.
Speaker 2: I am as into SVU and season one hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve as I was season one, But I found another show,
Speaker 2: sex and the City. I have a real hard time
Speaker 2: when it's not the core group.
Speaker 1: Did they deviate from the core? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because and just like that, there's no Kim Catrell.
Speaker 1: Oh. I didn't watch that, But I.
Speaker 3: Instinctually tell you why why I think that ready, Because
Speaker 3: it's your it's your youth, it's your childhood. It's not
Speaker 3: While there's other shows that you might like medical shows
Speaker 3: and law shows, that's fine. Nine O two and Oho
Speaker 3: speaks to you on a human level with your friendships
Speaker 3: and who you grew up with, that you somehow you know,
Speaker 3: can't go home again, like but you can with nine
Speaker 3: two Nah. Same thing with Sex and the City. That sorry,
Speaker 3: that was the version of you when you were a
Speaker 3: young adults, so it's like two youths.
Speaker 2: I think you make an excellent point. I also think
Speaker 2: there's something about the fact that nine two one to
Speaker 2: no Sex and the City. A few other shows friends
Speaker 2: would be a great example. It exploded. It went beyond
Speaker 2: just a TV show, right, it exploded. I literally did
Speaker 2: a deep dive this week on YouTube watching you guys
Speaker 2: win the People's Choice Award from nineteen ninety something. I
Speaker 2: don't know what was wrong with me and Jason gives
Speaker 2: the speech and you're all up there and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is it? And also maybe it's because it just
Speaker 2: became so huge that when you change that, you're still
Speaker 2: just going back to the core. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Also, I think that as the core, as some of
Speaker 1: the core members, the core is who you fell in
Speaker 1: love with, like that initial oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: my show, like it imprinted you. And then when some
Speaker 1: of the core members leave, there's voids, but people can't
Speaker 1: fill those voids. It's like trying to, you know, be
Speaker 1: have a mom that's not your mom. Like it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, let somebody else into your heart in that way.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't it doesn't fit the same.
Speaker 3: They're all fine, I have chills. Jen nailed it in print,
Speaker 3: in printed.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's why when people think about nine oh two,
Speaker 2: one oh, like the reunion conventions, whatever, it's always the core,
Speaker 2: and the core is what the people want. Yeah, it's why,
Speaker 2: Like Tiffany, when you say Tiffany to me, I'm like, say,
Speaker 2: by the Bell, even though she's done like a million shows.
Speaker 2: And I think that when people embrace that. It's even
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston who's gone on to like win Awards and
Speaker 2: does the Morning Show and been in a million you're
Speaker 2: still like, Rachel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's how it will always
Speaker 1: be remembered. And I think there's something so cool about that.
Speaker 1: But some people don't like.
Speaker 2: That because I feel bad, But I'm just like, bye,
Speaker 2: Claire go to Paris, like you just need to.
Speaker 1: She looks so cute in this episode though.
Speaker 2: So she's great.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I need you to go. I think as
Speaker 2: they did her wrong with the trope my favorite word,
Speaker 2: it's just the same, same, same.
Speaker 1: You're troping right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I really am.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Correct, Jenny, Correct.
Speaker 3: But you know what I got to say. And I
Speaker 3: know sometimes we don't go in order, and you guys
Speaker 3: don't like that, but that I really loved the scene
Speaker 3: with Donna and Kelly and Claire in the.
Speaker 1: Beach partment like that, I do too. That if I
Speaker 1: all like give you all the feels. It feels like
Speaker 1: we've spent the time with them since they got their
Speaker 1: beach apartment, we've lived with them, we've you know, it
Speaker 1: feels like we're transitioning into a new phase of our
Speaker 1: lives as viewers. That's why people just love this show.
Speaker 1: And we never fully understood it until we watched it ourselves.
Speaker 3: We couldn't.
Speaker 2: The apartment is the exception to the rule, because even
Speaker 2: though the Beach Apartment came in later, it made an impression.
Speaker 2: It is part of the core Lord for me, that's
Speaker 2: really You're right, it's somehow Yeah, Okay, where to be Okay,
Speaker 2: let's start.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Valerie and her sad story with Brandon
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, and I'm just like, one
Speaker 1: of the first things that comes out of her mouth
Speaker 1: is Brandon. You know, it's been really hard on me
Speaker 1: since you and Kelly got back together, Like why why
Speaker 1: has it been so hard on her? And all? She
Speaker 1: hates Kelly and loves.
Speaker 3: In her mind, she suddenly created that they were like
Speaker 3: meant to be.
Speaker 1: When did this happen?
Speaker 3: It kind of didn't wish make but.
Speaker 2: One weird night, I spent a whole other shower thinking
Speaker 2: about value.
Speaker 3: Which of those were true from whose perception?
Speaker 2: Or Here's where I came to If Valerie is really
Speaker 2: in this dark place, struggling with these dark thoughts and
Speaker 2: is in real trouble. I support everybody, David, Brandon, everyone
Speaker 2: going to help her. What I don't like is that
Speaker 2: part of me is like, is this just another stunt
Speaker 2: so that they're like, no, no, okay, you can stay
Speaker 2: Like I don't like her, and I almost think she's both.
Speaker 2: She has all these feelings and all this emotion and
Speaker 2: dark and troubled childhood and the mom doesn't come for
Speaker 2: graduation and it's just one thing after another for her.
Speaker 2: The money's gone. But then there's this conniving side. So
Speaker 2: it's just like she is just split for me, and
Speaker 2: it's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done it so many times. Yeah, that old
Speaker 1: trope that that we are just like, we have trope.
Speaker 1: What's that like? Trope?
Speaker 2: We have trope fatigue.
Speaker 1: We have trope fatigue. So now we're like it's like
Speaker 1: the what's that thing when the guy the kids? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what's happening. Because you don't know whether to
Speaker 1: believe her and feel sympathetic towards her or to just
Speaker 1: be like, well, what's she up to now?
Speaker 3: Because no matter what she has been through, people have
Speaker 3: been through horrific things in life and they're able to
Speaker 3: still push past it and evolve and change if they
Speaker 3: really want to. But that's not the case. Here there's
Speaker 3: also this bad scene part of her.
Speaker 2: She's just just.
Speaker 1: So clear that she's never done the work to like evolve.
Speaker 1: She's never she's just carrying it around instead of working
Speaker 1: through it. You know.
Speaker 3: But to Amy's point, like, do you believe though part
Speaker 3: of her personality is because of everything she has been
Speaker 3: through traumatically since her childhood, or is there a part
Speaker 3: of her personality wise that it's just not a good person.
Speaker 2: You make it a great point, like right, you know
Speaker 2: how like people are liars or like people have these
Speaker 2: terrible like characteristics. It comes from to character flaw, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a bad childhood or an abusive relationship or whatever they experienced.
Speaker 2: So I want to give Valerie that like grace, like Okay,
Speaker 2: you really have had it rough. Yeah, but she doesn't,
Speaker 2: like she just keeps doing it, doing it.
Speaker 3: Which makes me think sometimes people are just born who
Speaker 3: they are. And it's horrible that things went on in
Speaker 3: her childhood that were traumatic and caused her so much harm.
Speaker 3: But I'd be curious, like what was she like has
Speaker 3: a takter?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: And no one holds like a boundary for her, do
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like there's no consequences for
Speaker 2: her because each of these antics works.
Speaker 1: It didn't work on David. I liked that. He was like, Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to involved. But Brandon, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: every time, every single time she uses.
Speaker 2: Guilt with him, I'll call your mom and dad. Well
Speaker 2: I've already called that. I mean, it's just so like no.
Speaker 3: One else can use guilt with him, not even Kelly,
Speaker 3: the love of his life. Like why Valerie, though I
Speaker 3: don't know what is sorry.
Speaker 1: I think it's like something from their childhood must be
Speaker 1: must be good.
Speaker 3: I want to hear about that. Then I want to
Speaker 3: see that.
Speaker 1: Or he's just like, you know, it feels like just
Speaker 1: storyline exactly like she's been through so much like he
Speaker 1: feels so he feels for her so much.
Speaker 2: He lets these girlfriends go who love him, like and
Speaker 2: he's just like.
Speaker 1: Old And also did you notice to her? Maybe you
Speaker 1: notice too, Amy Brandon went to the wrong bedroom. He
Speaker 1: left Valerie aka Brenda's room and turned to the left.
Speaker 1: He did and went into a door.
Speaker 2: That because it was on a set that was confusing.
Speaker 1: No that those two set, those two rooms were side by,
Speaker 1: like and there's a Jack and Jill bathroom between them.
Speaker 1: You know there are bathroom soah, his bathroom, I mean
Speaker 1: his bedroom is on the other side of the bathroom,
Speaker 1: which we all know where that is by now where
Speaker 1: was he going? And it happened again earlier. It happened
Speaker 1: again in another time in the show, and then we
Speaker 1: had an interior of his bedroom which was the same
Speaker 1: with the door where it is and the bathroom door
Speaker 1: where it was.
Speaker 3: Okay, while I did not notice this till you brought
Speaker 3: it up, and now I can perfectly see it, and
Speaker 3: this is all wrong. When they were having that first scene, yeah,
Speaker 3: Brandon and val, I was like, something feels off. And
Speaker 3: I was like, is the set changed around? Because the door,
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 1: He went to the left and he has to go
Speaker 1: to the right. And then I was like, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: it was like logistically with the camera or something with time,
Speaker 1: like they didn't have enough time to shoot and light it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he went to the wrong Interesting.
Speaker 3: That sounds so not adjacent. Thing Like he's so detail
Speaker 3: oriented when it comes to directions.
Speaker 1: So it felt like like one of those, like you know,
Speaker 1: late in the game decisions where you're like, let's just
Speaker 1: do it this way.
Speaker 2: So we can We'll got Jim and Cindy's room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, must be Steve, right, But we've.
Speaker 2: Been in Steve's room and it looks just I feel
Speaker 2: like we've seen step in his room plenty of.
Speaker 1: Times and it's just like a I cannot remember what
Speaker 1: Chester room looks like at all in the Wild Shols.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's I think it's just like another bedroom.
Speaker 3: What Jim and Sidey's think.
Speaker 2: That I think it looks I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen Stephen the shower.
Speaker 1: Why takes a shower in the in the in the
Speaker 1: Jack and Jill bathroom though we've seen him in the shower.
Speaker 1: Maybe they turned it into a sex room or maybe
Speaker 1: a gem.
Speaker 2: Why do they all like so that means he has
Speaker 2: to go unless the Jack and Jill bathroom has its
Speaker 2: own door on the outside too.
Speaker 1: Going showers there. I can see it. I know the
Speaker 1: set that's not it was so like you know what it's.
Speaker 3: Joining for me.
Speaker 2: Make me think of when Jenny and I went to
Speaker 2: the Brady Bunch House, which was still one of the
Speaker 2: greatest days of my life, and it's so real, like
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, we gotta we gotta eat call
Speaker 2: her and see if we can go back because it
Speaker 2: was so amazing.
Speaker 1: That's true. But I do think to your point, wouldn't
Speaker 1: Brandon have moved into the primary primary? Yeah, the mom
Speaker 1: and dad's room to have his own bathroom right.
Speaker 2: And on suite as as the property brothers would say, I.
Speaker 3: Mean what, I guess we didn't have that set up anymore.
Speaker 1: They took it down.
Speaker 3: It would have been too big and costly to keep.
Speaker 2: Did we Did we ever going Jim and Cindy's room?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We did so.
Speaker 2: It was like very rare.
Speaker 1: It was big. I remember it was big.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But if Kelly does you saw him?
Speaker 3: I think you were just looking at a hairy chest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm proud of I saw past that for a while.
Speaker 1: But if Kelly does move in with Brandon, is she
Speaker 1: going to move into his bedroom? What? Does do we
Speaker 1: ever see this happen on camera? No?
Speaker 2: Things go awrived pretty fast?
Speaker 1: Oh no, what what.
Speaker 3: It has to?
Speaker 1: Because what about the lawyer and the there's other men?
Speaker 1: But what about other men?
Speaker 3: Where am I going to live?
Speaker 1: Who am I going to live with? I don't think.
Speaker 2: Don't you stay at the beach house?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, call it because the store Oh good.
Speaker 1: We're not saying goodbye to the beach house. Then, you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I got nervous.
Speaker 2: It's so weird. We only have eight, nine, ten, Like
Speaker 2: we just have the three weird half sharky years. I've
Speaker 2: been really reading people feel like.
Speaker 1: You can't take base your opinion on other people's comments.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just gonna like watch it in real time
Speaker 2: because eight, nine and ten are fuzzy for me. So
Speaker 2: it's like I'm going to be watching it for the
Speaker 2: second time.
Speaker 1: What did you guys think about. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this got you, but the slow mo kindergarten graduation all emotional.
Speaker 1: There's something about slow motion.
Speaker 2: Yes, I just love that. Everybody went to Aaron's graduation too,
Speaker 2: and one of those kids looked like famous.
Speaker 1: Later, I was like, who's that kid?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Really you recognize?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past her. She caught sharp eye.
Speaker 2: It was darling. And it was a little bit of
Speaker 2: a bait and switch because you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: wait is it the graduate Wait.
Speaker 1: Thought they put the tiny chairs. Sason did a.
Speaker 3: Great job, you guys with this and really delivered on
Speaker 3: every level. Okay, yes, June.
Speaker 1: Lockhart, I know Grandma was there. Gosh, June Lockhart just
Speaker 1: passed away and then there she was one hundred years young.
Speaker 3: That's what I was like.
Speaker 2: He was a grandma when she filmed this, so she
Speaker 2: was like seventy.
Speaker 1: She looked so amazing and she lived to be a hundred. Wow,
Speaker 1: she looked. I was really doing that side by side
Speaker 1: profile comparison, and you guys definitely looked alike. You have
Speaker 1: the same nose, the same cheekbones.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cars the toast at the peach pit. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: But to her point, life short, you gottave it up,
Speaker 3: pew that.
Speaker 1: You got a yello.
Speaker 3: You never know what's going to happen in life. And
Speaker 3: I think Donna choosing to move forward, even though we
Speaker 3: haven't gotten to that point in the program yet, is
Speaker 3: right for them. They're in love, they love each other.
Speaker 3: This is their time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay, This is a question that I've been waiting seven
Speaker 2: season to ask. Do you, Tory feel that Donna is
Speaker 2: going to do this at the right time or would
Speaker 2: you have actually liked to see her? Wait until season
Speaker 2: ten and we never have this moment, and it's the
Speaker 2: wedding night and we're all kind of left like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: that would have been good, great question.
Speaker 3: I feel like in my youth I was always very
Speaker 3: much it was a badge of honor to be able
Speaker 3: to be a virginal symbolism to so many women and
Speaker 3: men out there. So Donna was like I felt like
Speaker 3: very special to be able to have that. But at
Speaker 3: some point I was like, I kind of just want
Speaker 3: her to lose it, Like, what's the next step? We're
Speaker 3: always talking about the same storyline. She can't, you know,
Speaker 3: move on story wise until we get to that point.
Speaker 3: So I remember when it was happening, I was like, oh, finally.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what David thought too, I mean.
Speaker 3: Last of her, I'm sure a good five seconds like
Speaker 3: poor guy. In hindsight, though I don't maybe from a
Speaker 3: storytelling purpose and thought it people so connected to these
Speaker 3: two characters, would it have been such a beautiful journey
Speaker 3: to see the wedding. It would have been too much
Speaker 3: stimulation for people to see the wedding and then the
Speaker 3: wedding night.
Speaker 2: To be left wondering, like I would have liked that
Speaker 2: we still have the exact end scene with that circle
Speaker 2: of everybody dancing dancing around, but then we kind of
Speaker 2: know or maybe there would have been like a winky
Speaker 2: nod to it at some point in that episode.
Speaker 3: But as an audience and you've waited so long to
Speaker 3: see what the connection is after they do sleep together,
Speaker 3: you would be missed on that part, like you would.
Speaker 2: True, there's some storyline that comes from it also.
Speaker 3: So because they evolve as humans once they go past
Speaker 3: this point bad and good, you know, and their relationship
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 1: I just can't see. It's so crazy that it's the
Speaker 1: it's the way it is now Brandon and Kelly and
Speaker 1: David and Donna and everything is copacetic, everything's as it
Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, and now in the next three seasons
Speaker 1: it's going to go back like it's gonna every basket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like what.
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: I feel nervous to watch the next season, honestly, only
Speaker 1: because like I'm so happy right now.
Speaker 2: All I can say is or Hillary Swank, She's in it? Jenny,
Speaker 2: are you joking me?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: Just wait for it, because Jenny, you know I have
Speaker 3: a play by play of how that almost happens.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Oh, Jenny, he seriously look me in
Speaker 2: the eye. You seriously do not remember I got nothing.
Speaker 3: It'll be like just telling her the story all over again.
Speaker 3: It's going to beautiful.
Speaker 2: The fact that Hillary Swank over came what happened to
Speaker 2: her on nine oh two one oh to win the
Speaker 2: Oscar is like a amazing because people really did not
Speaker 2: like her character.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I have no story.
Speaker 2: I'm right like it was like panned as they say,
Speaker 2: like I think she was supposed I think she was
Speaker 2: supposed to be in the season, and they're like remove her, right,
Speaker 2: Tory's just poker.
Speaker 3: Because there's there's two there's two sides. There's that like, oh,
Speaker 3: championing side, and then there's some other side too.
Speaker 1: So oh now I'm excited to last.
Speaker 2: So much time. I think it's because we're coming to
Speaker 2: the end of the season, the amount of time my
Speaker 2: brain has spent thinking about Hillary Swank Lindsey Price because
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl is with Steve and like no one
Speaker 2: even remembers, like I saw her posting some like fifty
Speaker 2: looks good on you to her like hunky chef husband
Speaker 2: Curtis whose name is out of my head, Curtis Stope,
Speaker 2: And I'm like nobody even remembers that she was on
Speaker 2: nine o two and Oh that she's like Steve's wife girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby mama, I think that a baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like she does she enter beginning? Oh no
Speaker 3: she doesn't.
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't come quite yet. No, I'm jumping
Speaker 2: ahead because we got to go.
Speaker 3: So when she comes in, Jen and I will give
Speaker 3: you the play by play. I need it all. How
Speaker 3: her character evolved. She was she was only supposed to
Speaker 3: be a guest star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well first Hillary Swank and then we've got Vincent Young.
Speaker 2: We've got a lot.
Speaker 1: Coming where Daniel cos it's so much happening.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Daniel Cosgrove, I forgot.
Speaker 1: I remember how I said a few minutes ago that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch the next season.
Speaker 3: Now now you're excited.
Speaker 2: Now you have been.
Speaker 3: That human made us happy every day.
Speaker 2: You got to watch his aunt just like that episode,
Speaker 2: it's worth it.
Speaker 1: The one he's naked or that's a different show.
Speaker 3: Wait, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: I saw a clip of him by a pool.
Speaker 3: Is he fun naked?
Speaker 2: Oh that's a different show. Okay, that's a different show.
Speaker 2: That's like I think, no, it's not funny. That's a
Speaker 2: different show.
Speaker 3: But just like this you're thinking about, Yeah, the one yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was anyway.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, so let's talk about so you're
Speaker 1: basically saying to me that Kelly is not going to
Speaker 1: move into the Watchhouse.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 3: You'll see oh man, Okay, okay, but let's just stick
Speaker 3: to where we are right now, Valeries, how you are
Speaker 3: moving in?
Speaker 1: And Okay, what is the note she left for Brandon?
Speaker 1: What is I don't understand what that meant what she wrote.
Speaker 1: I think she was alluding to my own celebration.
Speaker 2: I thought she was saying she was hinting like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like this is it.
Speaker 1: Okay, it could have been a little clear. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to say, because even I was like, what does
Speaker 1: that mean she's going to go to I don't get it.
Speaker 3: He just didn't keep watching see from David and all that,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: You're right, So now she's gonna going to end her
Speaker 1: life because yeah.
Speaker 2: She's saying it so that they come racing after her
Speaker 2: and then she doesn't have to move out. Like that's
Speaker 2: what I don't I want to believe it, meaning not
Speaker 2: believe it. It's so hard to explain. I want to
Speaker 2: think she's struggling and that does she should have everyone's
Speaker 2: support and help and get help and all the things.
Speaker 2: I don't like thinking everything is done to get what
Speaker 2: she wants a ruse, yeah, because it's just like all
Speaker 2: the friends are so genuinely like you know, Brandon brushing
Speaker 2: to help and calling David, and I know everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: come support so if it came from true pain and suffering,
Speaker 2: and then they're gonna rally around her. But I don't
Speaker 2: like that she's always up to shenanigans, like she did
Speaker 2: try to invest with Bill Taylor to hurt Kelly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Brandon is just kind of like glosses
Speaker 1: over that. It's all to like, Yeah, it's not saying
Speaker 1: she should do what she says she's gonna do, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't. I didn't watch second half,
Speaker 1: did you? No?
Speaker 2: I wanted to, though I need to, but I stopped
Speaker 2: right when he read the note. And then she goes
Speaker 2: to the freeway kind of a thing. I thought, wahallan, No,
Speaker 2: it's sort of like above the freeway.
Speaker 3: Is that the place that Dylan took Brenda in the car?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I think that's different, Okay, but I'm not one hundred
Speaker 2: percent sure we.
Speaker 1: See we get to see Kelly's dad, which was fun
Speaker 1: to see Jack.
Speaker 2: And it's sister and they go to the mall and
Speaker 2: join mall stuff in this episode, and my brother, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he was googly eyed for Kelly's sister. He was good will.
Speaker 2: They walk right into Victoria's secret.
Speaker 1: I always love the when Randy's on with the other
Speaker 1: kid and they're just the funny their chemistry is funny
Speaker 1: that kids like, they work really well together.
Speaker 3: Good comedy banter.
Speaker 2: Everybody's all up in arms because you know the show
Speaker 2: nobody wants this and has like a bunch of product placement.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's like talking about all the product placement. But
Speaker 2: I actually like that you go into Victoria's secret that
Speaker 2: we can clearly see it's a Victoria's secret and you
Speaker 2: go in there because I didn't want it to be
Speaker 2: like you know how they do that, like oh, it's
Speaker 2: Sully's secret, you know, and like we're supposed to not
Speaker 2: you know, I don't like that, So I like that
Speaker 2: you went in there.
Speaker 3: Well you just threw me off. Sorry, I'm very invested,
Speaker 3: especially while I was sick catching up on Netflix. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants this, Like oh and I product placement. I'm not
Speaker 3: getting it.
Speaker 2: So there's like a big estay Lotter thing and they
Speaker 2: talk about door dash and Airbnb. I didn't even notice either.
Speaker 2: It didn't bother me one though.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I like when there's like real stuff mentioned.
Speaker 2: I mean the same. We all are on the same page.
Speaker 2: But some people are like writing articles about how it's
Speaker 2: like too, you know, they mentioned Jennifer Meyer and all
Speaker 2: these different things. I personally like it because it's so
Speaker 2: much better than sometimes I don't like on nine O
Speaker 2: two and zero when it's clearly rice Crispies, but it says.
Speaker 3: Like crispy and we had to quote unquote Greek it out, then.
Speaker 1: Greek it out.
Speaker 3: Wait what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Greek it out?
Speaker 1: Just like change block it out? Like one letter, I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, oh wait wait can we go back
Speaker 1: to the the nobody wants this? Yeah. The one thing
Speaker 1: I would like to write a letter about, okay, sure
Speaker 1: is his neck hair.
Speaker 2: Adam Brodie's yep, you don't like the beer bothers me too.
Speaker 1: I need him to clean it up.
Speaker 3: And I find him so attractive, and in my mind
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, like do they not want him
Speaker 3: to be too like like acter good looking, and he's
Speaker 3: supposed to he's supposed to be a rabbit.
Speaker 1: Really care so much about I prefer him, no beard.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I just have a real But I actually googled why
Speaker 1: does Adam Brody? I was watching the show with the
Speaker 1: girls and it was really irritaemous, So I googled, why
Speaker 1: does Adam Brody have so much neckcair on? Nobody wants this?
Speaker 1: And it was like, well, that's probably because he had,
Speaker 1: you know, he he happens to grow a lot of
Speaker 1: hair there naturally, And I was like, that's not what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, why didn't they clean it up? Does
Speaker 1: it bother anybody else? But I'm glad to bothers you.
Speaker 3: And I keep giving myself reasons for it to be okay,
Speaker 3: And it's just it's one thing I can't get past.
Speaker 3: And it's so weird. I keep looking at it, and
Speaker 3: you know what, it reminds me of our director, Oh,
Speaker 3: Michael Lake.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Nobody else is gonna understand that. No one,
Speaker 1: but we had a director that had ne care too.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so it's like, oh, you know, Michael's Jewish,
Speaker 3: you know Adam.
Speaker 1: Brodie's I wondered is there a reason like like that,
Speaker 1: like is it a religious thing that he's not shaving
Speaker 1: his beard? That's the question you need to ask here
Speaker 1: exactly that and then keep a clean line. Maybe, especially
Speaker 1: if you're on TV.
Speaker 3: People, we can look past a lot, but ne care
Speaker 3: you're asking a lot of your viewers.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Donna's sexy plans.
Speaker 2: Oh, dear, I like that she's consulting the friends. Feels real,
Speaker 2: like your friends would definitely be like what do you think?
Speaker 2: And I loved Kelly being very supportive and like do
Speaker 2: you is basically what she's saying.
Speaker 1: You know that that, Yeah, did you like seeing Kelly's
Speaker 1: big belly in every scene?
Speaker 2: Keep missing it every day?
Speaker 1: Oh there's like balls in front of her now and
Speaker 1: flower arrangements.
Speaker 3: And yeah it's happening, that's happening, poppin'. But I can't
Speaker 3: look away. But if I didn't know, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: That's me knowing you so well.
Speaker 3: I can see your little chace, my baby fancy face
Speaker 3: glowing and looks it's so beautiful. But yeah, in the mall,
Speaker 3: what was the sunflower bag in front?
Speaker 1: And like so awkward?
Speaker 3: So you've gone from like the Cardigans to the Cardigans
Speaker 3: and baby doll dresses to the Cardigan's baby doll dresses,
Speaker 3: the purse in the Cardigan's baby doll dresses, the purse
Speaker 3: and now bags flowering the Cardigans.
Speaker 2: Is it the Cardigans that are going to be at
Speaker 2: the surprise.
Speaker 1: That now we know that we know Jack is throwing
Speaker 1: for Kelly.
Speaker 2: Isn't his name Bill?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, Jack? I thought dad Jack? Oh? His no,
Speaker 1: Jackie is her?
Speaker 2: Jackie's your mom?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Jackie and Bill are like colluding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't really make much sense because I think
Speaker 1: that they would be such enemies.
Speaker 2: But she seems to like she's like whatever. Yeah, she's like,
Speaker 2: I got a new dental husband.
Speaker 1: I'm good that happens. That happens. Yeah, take it from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Donna's gonna she's got all her goods.
Speaker 2: Got white lingerie, black lingerie.
Speaker 1: Condoms are on the ready. I didn't I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: what else she had on that bed spread out.
Speaker 2: Then she has to kick the roommates out of the apartment.
Speaker 2: Why not just go to David's house that apparently he
Speaker 2: has to himself. Now, oh, oh, like you think he
Speaker 2: literally has an entire house. Yeah, like does no one
Speaker 2: live with him? I feel like he has that whole
Speaker 2: house that almost got burned down.
Speaker 3: But to his way, she can't surprise him with like
Speaker 3: setting things up if she goes to his house. Correct, true,
Speaker 3: but I forgot about that all.
Speaker 2: Remember I remember the guy who originally had that house
Speaker 2: that Kelly dated for like four seconds?
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, Mark, Yeah, Well I kind of loved
Speaker 1: it watching it because back in the day when we
Speaker 1: were filming it, I was like, what's the big deal?
Speaker 1: Like why she ought to go through all this well,
Speaker 1: you know, like just do it and like why do
Speaker 1: you have to make all the props and get the thing?
Speaker 1: But now watching it, I get it, like it's really
Speaker 1: important to her to do it the way she wants
Speaker 1: to do it, And it's kind of sweet to see
Speaker 1: her with this.
Speaker 3: Right like detail, like focused on the things at the
Speaker 3: end of the day don't matter. But that's kind of
Speaker 3: my personality too, as you know, like you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I know, but it's really bad about you.
Speaker 3: It makes me tick and so what makes me happy
Speaker 3: And Donna is the same way.
Speaker 1: So and then they Donna and Claire go shopping for
Speaker 1: your lingerie. That was good. And then yeah, I just
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted the girls to hang out.
Speaker 2: That was cure of it. The prank is where I
Speaker 2: just start laughing.
Speaker 3: Prank lost me. I wasn't interested.
Speaker 1: Sorry, wait, you guys didn't like it. When they were
Speaker 1: like putting the setting it up in the dark, I
Speaker 1: was rolling around, and that's part like they went they
Speaker 1: went there like they didn't just half asset And it's
Speaker 1: so stupid because it's not even that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: It's just confetti thing easy. Yeah, but I know I
Speaker 1: loved the way David jumped in and into it and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of made it what he told Donna
Speaker 1: he thought maybe he had been missing all these years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then it just makes me laugh to see does he
Speaker 1: Steve like rolling around like he's in the army, I know, just.
Speaker 2: Rolling and then the golf cart pulls up with those
Speaker 2: guys putting the thing out. I love when they kind
Speaker 2: of say they put some sort of statue out or
Speaker 2: something and they're like less work tomorrow, like kind.
Speaker 1: Of another breast that you're going to have some sort
Speaker 1: of significance.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was wondering that I'm like, is that a I
Speaker 2: thought maybe it was a condor, you know, for the
Speaker 2: SeeU condors.
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought it was a Buddha And I was
Speaker 1: very confused totally.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I was like, are they going
Speaker 2: to steal that?
Speaker 1: Like? Great?
Speaker 2: Remember when Greg Brady stole the goat?
Speaker 1: I'm bringing up Brady and I love it, you know that?
Speaker 2: And that that's we just do a Brady Bunch rewatched,
Speaker 2: just us just because.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, because I love it. It'll never go out
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And maybe we just do that.
Speaker 1: At such a time in my life, sitting in front
Speaker 1: of my mom, mom and Dad's like giant square wooden
Speaker 1: TV with the TV in the inset in the wood
Speaker 1: and the knobs, I would sit like this close to it,
Speaker 1: and my mom would always say, you need a backup,
Speaker 1: that's not for your eyes, and I would just sit
Speaker 1: there and watch Brady Bunch.
Speaker 2: Can we do a poll to see if we should
Speaker 2: just do a Brady Bunch rewatch? For sure, toy, don't worry.
Speaker 2: I got ideas for you too, guys. I got ideas
Speaker 2: for you too. I got ideas for everybody. I'm worry
Speaker 2: because it's season eight, like, I gotta get thinking ahead
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 3: No, since I've known Jen, Brady Bunch is her jam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like I I connected with it because
Speaker 1: I had a his hers and ours family. You know,
Speaker 1: there was no RS for them, but it was his herds.
Speaker 1: On that note, why are you laughing? Amy?
Speaker 3: There was no RS.
Speaker 1: No, there was no me in the Brady Bunch. I
Speaker 1: felt like there wasn't me, but it was probably just
Speaker 1: ticker you mean, like or Tiger? What was yeah, Tiggers.
Speaker 3: In the Winning she always referenced herself as Cindy because Marcia, what.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about?
Speaker 3: She always had that fear of Cindy freezing in THEO,
Speaker 3: which she referenced and manifested because she used to referenced
Speaker 3: it so much.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. There is no one more Marcia than you.
Speaker 2: You're Marcia. Marcia Marshall.
Speaker 1: Marshay's related to Cindy. No, I never dressed like that.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Jan always just got the short end of
Speaker 1: the stick, like just a middle child complex.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the prank.
Speaker 2: What have we not talked about? That's it?
Speaker 1: We talked about everything. Do you guys want to know
Speaker 1: some trivia?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: Especially really like we didn't talk about everything.
Speaker 2: Me too. I feel like we missed something. Oh we
Speaker 2: didn't talk about Claire. Bye, Claire, time to go?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Do you think is val going to get the club
Speaker 1: back from David cal Why are you asking a head?
Speaker 1: You know? I just want to know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at this point with her she
Speaker 1: on season whatever eight that we're moving into's Valerie, I.
Speaker 3: Am not talking to you right now. Shes stop it
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: Why now if you decided to not talk to me,
Speaker 1: Valerie is here. Yeah, I honest, honest to god, real
Speaker 1: real question.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, fair, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So I did really love Also just to point out
Speaker 1: the music at Aaron's graduation with Chris Isaac and I
Speaker 1: thought that's such a good song for that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I get all the music now.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like there's not gonna be episodes
Speaker 2: missing on Paramount, but somebody needs to check and make
Speaker 2: sure I'm right. I feel like that was the big
Speaker 2: breaking news a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: I have a real question for you guys. Uh oh,
Speaker 3: they had to have spent a small fortune bringing back
Speaker 3: all of these guest characters. Would you have rathered as
Speaker 3: a viewer and a fan them invested the money and
Speaker 3: brought Jim AND's Cindy back and cut down on all
Speaker 3: of these or no, I mean, was it that much.
Speaker 1: More expensive to bring Cindy and Jim back?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, like you mean Bill and like
Speaker 2: the sister and that you guys.
Speaker 3: The only thing I could not believe that is the
Speaker 3: graduation from college and Jimmy Cindy Walsh going back to
Speaker 3: core characters. The og parents are not there.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Jim and Cindy said no for some reason
Speaker 2: they weren't available, Like I don't feel like nine oh
Speaker 2: two and oh did not offer them their day rate.
Speaker 1: But honestly, how how unavailable could they have been? Like
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they have been?
Speaker 2: Like, of course, maybe they were on shows.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you think I don't know either?
Speaker 3: Do you think they were?
Speaker 1: Maybe the parting of the situation when they left wasn't good.
Speaker 3: Didn't feel good to them, guys.
Speaker 2: Obviously it wasn't good. I don't remember this being so,
Speaker 2: I don't know regulars of the show, almost the core
Speaker 2: of the show to being thank you so much? So
Speaker 2: you wont that reason you know, I don't think they
Speaker 2: would be stoked about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know Carol went full time into being
Speaker 3: a therapist and doing and going to school and doing
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 1: I really didn't want to like go back. Okay, believable. Wait,
Speaker 1: I have a really important question. Is Steve's corvette silver
Speaker 1: or red?
Speaker 2: Red? Isn't it?
Speaker 1: Then? Why was he standing outside a silver corvette?
Speaker 2: But the BMW was red?
Speaker 1: I feel like his corvette.
Speaker 3: I ate a Ferrari.
Speaker 1: I see it in my mind coming in. It was red.
Speaker 1: But why would it be red like literal?
Speaker 3: That's what you're thinking of. No, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's not His car was red. Please, if you
Speaker 1: are out there.
Speaker 3: Google google it.
Speaker 2: We can google it.
Speaker 3: This says it was black?
Speaker 2: What it says?
Speaker 3: It was black?
Speaker 1: It was black and the pilot was because remember David
Speaker 1: was in it and he's all drunk, right, was black?
Speaker 2: I ate a Ferrari.
Speaker 1: It was black. It was black. I really remember it
Speaker 1: as red?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow wow. And then the other thing is did you
Speaker 1: notice Brandon was red like mine was blue before?
Speaker 3: Wasn't originally red?
Speaker 1: I've never seen him in a silver corvette.
Speaker 2: I see images of Brandon and Steve getting out of it.
Speaker 2: It must in nineteen ninety eight Chevrolet Corvette. Oh it's
Speaker 2: not nineteen ninety eight yet. Maybe that's the one that's coming.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the new car company. You know what.
Speaker 1: They did switch our cars out for there when we
Speaker 1: were there, Yes.
Speaker 3: Version of them in different colors sometimes.
Speaker 1: Which makes no sense because they couldn't get the other color.
Speaker 1: Maybe so they were like, oh, let's just go with it.
Speaker 2: One of these looks almost midnight blue.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing that really I was noted from like
Speaker 1: these things, was when Brandon and Steve were walking in
Speaker 1: the on the campus and Brandon says, if it doesn't fit,
Speaker 1: you must have quit. Yep. It was the oj Simpson
Speaker 1: trial reference.
Speaker 2: Remember they sort of have that chat about the memories
Speaker 2: and there was sort of an inappropriate like mention.
Speaker 1: Of Steve's date rape legend. Yeah, just that.
Speaker 2: I was like, me too, I feel about that. But
Speaker 2: like they were kind of like, remember we did the
Speaker 2: the the like, it was just sort of like that
Speaker 2: felt weird to me.
Speaker 1: I felt like they were going to go into flashback.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for me too, something to and then
Speaker 1: I was going to.
Speaker 3: Be bombed because I'm like, I'm really enjoying this episode.
Speaker 3: Jason's directing, and now I want to see thet time
Speaker 3: with flashbacks.
Speaker 1: They exactly. They didn't happy Brandon's tie. It's very is
Speaker 1: a fat one.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, it's very familiar to me. Was it
Speaker 3: already used in something else when nineteen twenty is a costume? No?
Speaker 1: Maybe he wears it to the night, says it to
Speaker 1: the party that we're about to go to the party
Speaker 1: the Roaring twenties.
Speaker 2: We'll excited for the party and me too.
Speaker 3: What'd you think of that satchel they gave?
Speaker 2: Was it leather?
Speaker 1: Was it engraved? Wanted to have his inniffles on it
Speaker 1: or something? Or was it just like a nylon tote?
Speaker 3: I thought it was leather. Telling me it's not.
Speaker 2: He's like, the honored students have gotten together. Now we
Speaker 2: better go for the dishonored students to get it.
Speaker 3: Was just like, oh god. And then Steve Waxman, I
Speaker 3: do like when Brandon talks about being neutral party, because
Speaker 3: we always joke how Jason in real life he'll always
Speaker 3: be like, I'm Switzerland getting really good. He doesn't take sides.
Speaker 3: He's always like he'll listen to everybody. He's always been
Speaker 3: like this as and then he's like that was a
Speaker 3: little amusing.
Speaker 2: When he's sort of like, where you're being a little bit,
Speaker 2: she goes, who asked you?
Speaker 3: I loved her reaction to him. Yeah, like almost like
Speaker 3: snarled like Adam.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, this is good. I can't wait to watch
Speaker 1: the next episode.
Speaker 2: They've made poor Claire so unlikable, it says you. I know, sorry,
Speaker 2: says me.
Speaker 1: I think we have to wait now, you guys for
Speaker 1: the second half Mary next week part two. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good. And then it's the end of
Speaker 1: season seven.
Speaker 3: We did it. There's gonna be a graduation there. Wait wait,
Speaker 3: I just got it. Do you he'd lined it up
Speaker 3: here because Donna Martin graduates, like Donna Martin graduates, college graduation,
Speaker 3: Donna Martin graduates.
Speaker 1: She gives it up. I don't, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: mean thing says that's a reach.
Speaker 2: But basically watching the season eight credits, you know the
Speaker 2: intro to see is it different? Do they add anybody?
Speaker 2: But it looks just like regurgit a season six but
Speaker 2: they need to update this.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'm super excited to talk about the graduation
Speaker 3: next week. Yes, and to talk about Donna losing your virginity.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so good. I can see you on
Speaker 1: that bed right now. In my mind. You're a little neglige.
Speaker 3: All those candles are real hot.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, have a great week.
Speaker 3: Lot you guys, Love you,