1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,565 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Wow, welcome to another episode of Cadaver Gals, 2 00:00:14,605 --> 00:00:17,005 Speaker 1: the show where we talk about all the ways people 3 00:00:17,005 --> 00:00:20,965 Speaker 1: have died to cope with our own mortality. Does it work? 4 00:00:21,125 --> 00:00:27,445 Speaker 1: Are we coping? Who knows? Everyone is broken? That's the start, 5 00:00:28,085 --> 00:00:31,125 Speaker 1: that's the start. Yeah. So I'm your host, Gabby, along 6 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:38,245 Speaker 1: with Nika and Taylor. Say y'alls, salutations, salutations, salutations everyone. 7 00:00:39,285 --> 00:00:41,885 Speaker 1: So today we're going to be talking about the sadass 8 00:00:42,005 --> 00:00:46,365 Speaker 1: tale of a space related death, specifically a Russian cosmonaut 9 00:00:46,805 --> 00:00:49,285 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. Then we're going to head over 10 00:00:49,325 --> 00:00:52,885 Speaker 1: to Italy and hear about one of the mafia's many victims. 11 00:00:52,885 --> 00:00:55,685 Speaker 1: So if you're in the mafia, please don't come for us. 12 00:00:55,845 --> 00:00:59,605 Speaker 1: Please thank you. Okay, as always, we have some content 13 00:00:59,685 --> 00:01:04,085 Speaker 1: and some trigger warnings. We'll be talking about space explosions, 14 00:01:04,205 --> 00:01:08,245 Speaker 1: burned up bodies, uns acid, murder, and worst of all, 15 00:01:08,725 --> 00:01:15,645 Speaker 1: my personal feelings. Okay, your feelings aren't sad and terrible, 16 00:01:15,765 --> 00:01:24,125 Speaker 1: they actually trigger me deeply. So yeah, your presence just tragers, maggers, 17 00:01:24,605 --> 00:01:27,645 Speaker 1: anty way. I hope you enjoy this episode of Cadaver Gals. 18 00:01:27,925 --> 00:01:31,005 Speaker 1: We're all in this together, but ultimately we're all alone. 19 00:01:31,525 --> 00:01:48,445 Speaker 1: Cute musical. I know that intro was sad, but I 20 00:01:48,525 --> 00:01:50,605 Speaker 1: was just trying to set the mood because Nika, your 21 00:01:50,645 --> 00:01:54,165 Speaker 1: tail is a pretty sad one. I mean, death is 22 00:01:54,205 --> 00:01:57,365 Speaker 1: pretty sad, so default they're all pretty sad. But Nika, 23 00:01:57,445 --> 00:02:00,285 Speaker 1: why don't you take us back back in time to 24 00:02:00,365 --> 00:02:02,845 Speaker 1: Russia in the nineteen sixties, back when we were all 25 00:02:02,925 --> 00:02:08,565 Speaker 1: race into space. Tell us this tale of the cosmonaut. Okay, 26 00:02:08,685 --> 00:02:13,445 Speaker 1: so this first of all, I love that we're going 27 00:02:13,525 --> 00:02:16,245 Speaker 1: around the world. Well, we're really around Europe. So we're 28 00:02:16,245 --> 00:02:18,685 Speaker 1: going to Italy, We're going to Russia or what used 29 00:02:18,685 --> 00:02:23,605 Speaker 1: to be the Soviet Union. We're just traveling around. Yeah, 30 00:02:23,645 --> 00:02:31,125 Speaker 1: so Russia is technically mostly Asia. Well okay, so, um, 31 00:02:31,165 --> 00:02:33,205 Speaker 1: I didn't go to an IVY League like you, Gabby. 32 00:02:33,245 --> 00:02:35,365 Speaker 1: I feel like I make a joke about not going 33 00:02:35,365 --> 00:02:38,365 Speaker 1: to college every single episode. But no, it's good. It's good. 34 00:02:38,365 --> 00:02:40,165 Speaker 1: So you can remind everyone that I went to an 35 00:02:40,205 --> 00:02:44,485 Speaker 1: IVY League school. As we represent three different levels of education. 36 00:02:44,805 --> 00:02:48,485 Speaker 1: Gabby super fancy with her IVY League, me mediacre at 37 00:02:48,605 --> 00:02:54,965 Speaker 1: UK and Nika just say it and look, we're all 38 00:02:55,165 --> 00:03:00,885 Speaker 1: equal levels of stupid, so it doesn't matter exactly. Wow. 39 00:03:00,925 --> 00:03:04,365 Speaker 1: That thanks guys, for the confidence boost going into this. 40 00:03:04,605 --> 00:03:10,685 Speaker 1: So anyway, today we are going to experience a shocking, 41 00:03:11,005 --> 00:03:14,605 Speaker 1: twisted tale that I am going to try to share 42 00:03:14,765 --> 00:03:18,565 Speaker 1: with as much clarity as possible. But keep in mind 43 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:21,645 Speaker 1: this is set in the Soviet Union, it's the sixties. 44 00:03:22,325 --> 00:03:24,925 Speaker 1: Some of this information, though I did try to find 45 00:03:25,045 --> 00:03:27,845 Speaker 1: the most accurate possible. Some of this information has been 46 00:03:27,845 --> 00:03:34,645 Speaker 1: debated by space historians, by people, by redditors who get mad. 47 00:03:34,725 --> 00:03:39,285 Speaker 1: I don't know space historians. I know there's space. They're 48 00:03:39,325 --> 00:03:43,525 Speaker 1: all on Reddit. You know, they're not just astronomers. I 49 00:03:43,565 --> 00:03:47,645 Speaker 1: assumed that astronomers just are space historians because astronomy, like 50 00:03:47,765 --> 00:03:50,005 Speaker 1: so many, so much of what we're seeing is like 51 00:03:50,125 --> 00:03:52,325 Speaker 1: happened forever ago, right because it takes so long for 52 00:03:52,365 --> 00:03:54,205 Speaker 1: the light to get to us. Oh my gosh, that 53 00:03:54,205 --> 00:03:57,805 Speaker 1: actually makes a lot of sense. So if anything like astrologers, 54 00:03:57,805 --> 00:04:01,645 Speaker 1: well no, gabby. So if anything, space historians are ancient 55 00:04:01,725 --> 00:04:08,325 Speaker 1: space historians, because astronomers are recent historians. First space. Yes, 56 00:04:10,765 --> 00:04:16,445 Speaker 1: thank you Kentucky anyway. But yeah, However, if you want to, 57 00:04:17,125 --> 00:04:20,405 Speaker 1: you know, after this, go on a KGB conspiracy bender, 58 00:04:20,645 --> 00:04:24,165 Speaker 1: please do because it is fascinating and this is like 59 00:04:24,285 --> 00:04:26,005 Speaker 1: not even scratching the surface. This is just what we 60 00:04:26,085 --> 00:04:28,085 Speaker 1: legally can find out. I dare all of you to 61 00:04:28,085 --> 00:04:30,085 Speaker 1: go to the dark web and bring me some like 62 00:04:30,205 --> 00:04:34,245 Speaker 1: bounty back. Okay, anyway, this is what we're doing. It's 63 00:04:34,285 --> 00:04:37,885 Speaker 1: the sixties, it's the space race. Everything is very tense. 64 00:04:38,005 --> 00:04:40,965 Speaker 1: The Berlin Wall had just been constructed a few years 65 00:04:41,045 --> 00:04:45,405 Speaker 1: prior to our friend Vladimir Komarov's story. Obviously, the Cold 66 00:04:45,405 --> 00:04:48,965 Speaker 1: War was happening Russia. You know, they launched Sputnik, which 67 00:04:49,005 --> 00:04:51,725 Speaker 1: was the first ever man made object into space, ten 68 00:04:51,805 --> 00:04:55,085 Speaker 1: years before our story, and the US was trying to 69 00:04:55,125 --> 00:04:57,205 Speaker 1: get ahead of the Russians basically. So it was a 70 00:04:57,285 --> 00:05:03,045 Speaker 1: very tense, very invigorating, and also very dangerous time, especially 71 00:05:03,085 --> 00:05:07,925 Speaker 1: to be a cosmonaut or astronaut. As astronaut, it's so 72 00:05:07,965 --> 00:05:11,765 Speaker 1: hard to not do an ass joke when talking about astronauts. Yeah, 73 00:05:11,765 --> 00:05:14,485 Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's especially for us, but it's got 74 00:05:14,565 --> 00:05:16,605 Speaker 1: to be hard for them to talk about it way 75 00:05:16,605 --> 00:05:19,845 Speaker 1: more often. Yeah. Also, it's good their suits are so big, 76 00:05:19,845 --> 00:05:24,165 Speaker 1: you know, there's room for dad ass. Oh boy, it's Cosmo. 77 00:05:24,245 --> 00:05:28,565 Speaker 1: How you say ass and Russian? No? It Actually it's 78 00:05:28,605 --> 00:05:30,045 Speaker 1: so funny because I was looking it up. I was like, 79 00:05:30,125 --> 00:05:32,405 Speaker 1: what is the difference between a cosmonaut an astronaut, and 80 00:05:32,445 --> 00:05:37,525 Speaker 1: it's just that cosmonauts are they're the spacemen who have 81 00:05:37,605 --> 00:05:41,125 Speaker 1: been accepted via Russian like legal ways of becoming an 82 00:05:41,125 --> 00:05:43,085 Speaker 1: astronaut or what we know as an astronaut, and then 83 00:05:43,125 --> 00:05:47,485 Speaker 1: astronaut is basically the every other space federation name. So 84 00:05:47,645 --> 00:05:52,005 Speaker 1: Russia just kind of took that on themselves, the Soviet Union, yes, 85 00:05:52,525 --> 00:05:54,885 Speaker 1: which you know, the US does that with the metric 86 00:05:54,925 --> 00:05:58,685 Speaker 1: system or the lack of metric system. So understand, we 87 00:05:58,765 --> 00:06:03,085 Speaker 1: understand both superpowers, both deadly, both have killed lots of people. 88 00:06:03,525 --> 00:06:05,685 Speaker 1: No one is innocent. Yeah, I feel like this base 89 00:06:05,845 --> 00:06:09,685 Speaker 1: race is just like who's got the biggest dick energy. 90 00:06:09,765 --> 00:06:12,045 Speaker 1: I feel like that's just like what it Well, the 91 00:06:12,045 --> 00:06:14,565 Speaker 1: missiles were the dicks? Were they not? I guess so? 92 00:06:15,725 --> 00:06:18,925 Speaker 1: And the space station was just a flattened out coute. 93 00:06:19,205 --> 00:06:24,125 Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyway, this is what they teach us 94 00:06:24,125 --> 00:06:29,045 Speaker 1: at Ivy League schools Princeton, not me. Oh okay, anyway, 95 00:06:29,285 --> 00:06:34,005 Speaker 1: So this is happening. These big political superpowers are battling 96 00:06:34,005 --> 00:06:37,805 Speaker 1: it out on literally every front, and it's about to 97 00:06:37,845 --> 00:06:45,725 Speaker 1: be the fiftieth anniversary of the Communist Revolution. So Leonid Breznev, 98 00:06:45,925 --> 00:06:49,125 Speaker 1: who was this terrifying leader of the Soviet Union at 99 00:06:49,165 --> 00:06:53,085 Speaker 1: the time, he decides to stage this big space achievement 100 00:06:53,285 --> 00:06:58,565 Speaker 1: involving two spacecrafts to celebrate this momentous occasion, because when 101 00:06:58,845 --> 00:07:03,445 Speaker 1: it's communism's anniversary, we must celebrate. Yeah, go big, Yes, 102 00:07:03,525 --> 00:07:07,885 Speaker 1: I'm saying that sarcastic. So the idea was to launch 103 00:07:08,045 --> 00:07:12,245 Speaker 1: the so used one with our friend Vladimir inside, and 104 00:07:12,285 --> 00:07:15,805 Speaker 1: then have him DOC at a rendezvous point in space, 105 00:07:16,365 --> 00:07:19,325 Speaker 1: and then have so Use one meet up with another 106 00:07:19,485 --> 00:07:21,445 Speaker 1: spacecraft that was going to be launched with two people 107 00:07:21,445 --> 00:07:23,685 Speaker 1: in it, so used too, So they would meet up 108 00:07:23,725 --> 00:07:26,125 Speaker 1: in space. The plan was that they would dock together 109 00:07:26,525 --> 00:07:30,085 Speaker 1: and then two cosmonauts would spacewalk to the so used one. 110 00:07:30,605 --> 00:07:34,285 Speaker 1: Then Vladimir would land so Use one back on Earth, 111 00:07:34,325 --> 00:07:37,165 Speaker 1: and then another cosmonaut would land so Used two back 112 00:07:37,205 --> 00:07:41,325 Speaker 1: on Earth. This was basically to show that Russia's cosmonauts 113 00:07:41,365 --> 00:07:45,245 Speaker 1: or the Soviet Union's cosmonauts could walk in space like spacewalk, 114 00:07:45,405 --> 00:07:47,685 Speaker 1: that they could doc, that they could rendezvous, that they 115 00:07:47,685 --> 00:07:50,285 Speaker 1: could they like just It was basically to show wow, look, 116 00:07:50,405 --> 00:07:53,245 Speaker 1: communism works, and that was the plan, and it was 117 00:07:53,325 --> 00:07:56,605 Speaker 1: a big deal. And this is the first time that 118 00:07:56,645 --> 00:07:58,565 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union had literally tried any of this, and 119 00:07:58,685 --> 00:08:01,325 Speaker 1: Leonade was really trying to rush it in order to 120 00:08:01,525 --> 00:08:09,325 Speaker 1: coincide with this very special holiday. You mean he was Russian? Okay, 121 00:08:09,925 --> 00:08:21,685 Speaker 1: love it? Yes, he was Russian it moment, yes, yes. Anyway, Now, 122 00:08:21,725 --> 00:08:25,245 Speaker 1: this was obviously a risky mission, and there were many 123 00:08:25,445 --> 00:08:29,005 Speaker 1: unmanned test flights that proved that so used one had 124 00:08:29,045 --> 00:08:31,005 Speaker 1: a very long way to go before it was going 125 00:08:31,045 --> 00:08:33,685 Speaker 1: to be ready to fly with human pilot. Komorov he 126 00:08:33,725 --> 00:08:36,445 Speaker 1: was experienced, like he was just one of eighteen people 127 00:08:36,805 --> 00:08:39,405 Speaker 1: chosen to train in the Soviet Union to become a cosmonaut, 128 00:08:39,485 --> 00:08:42,365 Speaker 1: and he successfully piloted the first vessel to carry more 129 00:08:42,405 --> 00:08:46,125 Speaker 1: than one person in space. He was very well known 130 00:08:46,205 --> 00:08:48,765 Speaker 1: for all of his space achievements and was a really 131 00:08:48,805 --> 00:08:51,765 Speaker 1: really good pilot, so he was kind of the man 132 00:08:51,845 --> 00:08:55,205 Speaker 1: for the job. He was also very good friends with 133 00:08:55,445 --> 00:08:59,685 Speaker 1: this cosmonaut who I hope everyone knows about, Yuri Gagarin. 134 00:09:00,085 --> 00:09:01,965 Speaker 1: He is the first man who ever went to space. 135 00:09:02,125 --> 00:09:03,925 Speaker 1: I feel like the US sells us the cool aid 136 00:09:04,005 --> 00:09:08,565 Speaker 1: juice that it was the arms wrong guy. But Lance arms. 137 00:09:11,165 --> 00:09:14,125 Speaker 1: But that's not true. The Soviet Union did technically beat 138 00:09:14,325 --> 00:09:17,885 Speaker 1: the US to send someone off into space. Now we 139 00:09:17,885 --> 00:09:20,565 Speaker 1: were the first, we I say we the US was 140 00:09:20,605 --> 00:09:23,685 Speaker 1: the first to walk on the moon. But technically, well 141 00:09:23,685 --> 00:09:27,165 Speaker 1: who knows. Well, some people doesn't believe. They don't believe 142 00:09:27,165 --> 00:09:30,445 Speaker 1: that the moon exists. So yeah, that's what the conspiracy 143 00:09:30,485 --> 00:09:33,045 Speaker 1: theory is. The moon doesn't exist, So how can they 144 00:09:33,125 --> 00:09:37,805 Speaker 1: stand on the moon. Exact, let's start a new conspiracy theory. 145 00:09:37,925 --> 00:09:40,965 Speaker 1: The Moon's not even real. God, just a giant green 146 00:09:41,045 --> 00:09:45,845 Speaker 1: screen out in space. So they did go to space, 147 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:52,205 Speaker 1: they just there's no moon. Yeah, exactly, I just invented that. Um, wonderful, 148 00:09:52,445 --> 00:09:56,645 Speaker 1: this is going so well. So they were very close. 149 00:09:56,965 --> 00:10:00,125 Speaker 1: Um they were just like you know, the power like 150 00:10:00,165 --> 00:10:03,885 Speaker 1: the girl power friendship couple. But Soviet Union and their 151 00:10:03,965 --> 00:10:08,445 Speaker 1: cosmonauts just figure that, I'm gonna punch that to Disney. 152 00:10:08,525 --> 00:10:18,445 Speaker 1: You're like a girl gang but men original girl gang exactly. So, um, 153 00:10:18,605 --> 00:10:21,125 Speaker 1: they you know, they would go hunting together, they would 154 00:10:21,125 --> 00:10:24,085 Speaker 1: do just girl gang things together, go to bars and drink. 155 00:10:24,125 --> 00:10:27,125 Speaker 1: They had a special bond basically. Um, they truly were 156 00:10:27,165 --> 00:10:31,085 Speaker 1: really close friends. And so, as I said, Komarov was 157 00:10:31,165 --> 00:10:33,925 Speaker 1: chosen to man the so use one spacecraft. He was 158 00:10:33,965 --> 00:10:36,245 Speaker 1: just like the man for the job. And he later 159 00:10:36,285 --> 00:10:38,925 Speaker 1: found out as they were starting to prepare for this 160 00:10:39,125 --> 00:10:44,005 Speaker 1: flight that Gagarin was the backup pilot basically, so if 161 00:10:44,005 --> 00:10:46,845 Speaker 1: anything were to happen to Komarov, Gagarin would go in, 162 00:10:47,365 --> 00:10:49,605 Speaker 1: or at least on paper, he would go in. People 163 00:10:49,645 --> 00:10:51,845 Speaker 1: say that they would never actually send him out in 164 00:10:51,885 --> 00:10:54,845 Speaker 1: space because he was too precious to the Soviet Union 165 00:10:54,845 --> 00:10:57,645 Speaker 1: as like a national hero, but on paper, that's what 166 00:10:57,685 --> 00:10:59,685 Speaker 1: he was supposed to be. It's always good to have 167 00:10:59,765 --> 00:11:04,245 Speaker 1: a backup. Now. According to this book and also multiple 168 00:11:04,325 --> 00:11:09,365 Speaker 1: firsthand account, Gagarin and Kahmarov knew that whoever would man 169 00:11:09,445 --> 00:11:12,445 Speaker 1: the flight was not going to come back. Basically the 170 00:11:12,485 --> 00:11:17,565 Speaker 1: spacecraft was so not ready. But Komarov actually insisted that 171 00:11:17,645 --> 00:11:20,805 Speaker 1: he'd go because I guess it was like an act 172 00:11:20,805 --> 00:11:24,525 Speaker 1: of self sacrifice slash. He was aware that Gagarin represented 173 00:11:24,605 --> 00:11:28,485 Speaker 1: something really important in the Soviet Union and he just 174 00:11:28,685 --> 00:11:31,005 Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'll go, it's fine. And there's 175 00:11:31,005 --> 00:11:35,325 Speaker 1: actually a story where Gagarin's KGB escort because back then 176 00:11:35,965 --> 00:11:39,005 Speaker 1: KGB escorts were people, I mean kind of like spies. 177 00:11:39,285 --> 00:11:41,885 Speaker 1: They would basically watch over certain people. And all the 178 00:11:41,925 --> 00:11:46,525 Speaker 1: cosmonauts had like a kgbescort. So Gagarin's KGB scort sat 179 00:11:46,525 --> 00:11:49,325 Speaker 1: down for dinner with Komarov and his wife, and after 180 00:11:49,365 --> 00:11:52,405 Speaker 1: that dinner, Kahmarov looked at him and basically said, I 181 00:11:52,445 --> 00:11:54,525 Speaker 1: Am not going to make it back from this flight. 182 00:11:54,885 --> 00:11:58,085 Speaker 1: The escort agreed finally to pass on this memo that 183 00:11:58,125 --> 00:12:00,725 Speaker 1: was created. It was a ten page memo explaining that 184 00:12:00,765 --> 00:12:04,245 Speaker 1: the spacecraft had two hundred and three engineering problems and 185 00:12:04,285 --> 00:12:05,725 Speaker 1: that it was not ready to flight, that it was 186 00:12:05,765 --> 00:12:12,325 Speaker 1: extremely dangerous. Two hundred and three. Yes, just a few problems. Yeah, 187 00:12:12,405 --> 00:12:16,565 Speaker 1: nothing's some duct tape can't fix. Um. And so the 188 00:12:16,925 --> 00:12:20,925 Speaker 1: escort sent it up the chain of command and was 189 00:12:21,565 --> 00:12:26,285 Speaker 1: immediately banned from interacting with cosmonauts and demoted. He literally 190 00:12:26,285 --> 00:12:28,325 Speaker 1: didn't even read the report, he just sent it up 191 00:12:28,365 --> 00:12:32,565 Speaker 1: the chain, and the chain was like, um, Communist Revolution 192 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:35,645 Speaker 1: anniversary is very important, so we're not going to read 193 00:12:35,685 --> 00:12:40,125 Speaker 1: this memo. That is exactly what happened. That's a great 194 00:12:40,205 --> 00:12:43,285 Speaker 1: lesson though. It's like, maybe don't like sometimes I get 195 00:12:43,285 --> 00:12:45,885 Speaker 1: too wrapped up in party planning and stuff, but sometimes 196 00:12:45,885 --> 00:12:49,245 Speaker 1: you guys take a step back and realize your spacecraft 197 00:12:49,325 --> 00:12:53,485 Speaker 1: has two hundred mistakes, you know, three two hundred and 198 00:12:53,485 --> 00:12:56,245 Speaker 1: three errors, So just always be thinking about the bigger 199 00:12:56,285 --> 00:13:00,525 Speaker 1: picture of safety. Okay, wow, Gabby, are your party's that unsafe? 200 00:13:00,845 --> 00:13:04,365 Speaker 1: I mean that's like a party in COVID right now? Yeah? Oh, okay, 201 00:13:04,405 --> 00:13:08,725 Speaker 1: that's fair. That's actually a yes. Um? So come whereof 202 00:13:08,845 --> 00:13:10,925 Speaker 1: they were getting ready to you know, fly, It was 203 00:13:10,965 --> 00:13:13,365 Speaker 1: in a few days and a few days before he 204 00:13:13,805 --> 00:13:16,205 Speaker 1: literally said that if he should die on this flight, 205 00:13:16,405 --> 00:13:18,525 Speaker 1: he wanted to have an open casket funeral so people 206 00:13:18,525 --> 00:13:20,645 Speaker 1: would see what the government had done to him. So 207 00:13:20,725 --> 00:13:25,485 Speaker 1: things were souring very quickly. That's aggressive, but I like it, Yeah, 208 00:13:25,525 --> 00:13:28,925 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, it's like a finally going to 209 00:13:28,965 --> 00:13:32,245 Speaker 1: allow that though, Like there's a conspiracy with the picture 210 00:13:32,245 --> 00:13:34,885 Speaker 1: that I'm going to mention as well, But there's a 211 00:13:34,885 --> 00:13:37,445 Speaker 1: conspiracy for everything? Am I even real? We don't know 212 00:13:37,885 --> 00:13:41,685 Speaker 1: who knows? Yes. So April twenty third, nineteen sixty seven, 213 00:13:41,965 --> 00:13:47,565 Speaker 1: the mission launched up into the big black hole called space. 214 00:13:48,125 --> 00:13:51,365 Speaker 1: He immediately had problems. One of his solar panels wouldn't launch, 215 00:13:51,805 --> 00:13:54,365 Speaker 1: so he was operating with half of the power he needed. 216 00:13:54,525 --> 00:13:58,685 Speaker 1: Now this effects, I am not a space historian or 217 00:13:58,845 --> 00:14:01,885 Speaker 1: an astronaut or a cosmonaut, and I don't have any 218 00:14:03,405 --> 00:14:07,765 Speaker 1: or a reditor. Yes, are a college educated person, but 219 00:14:07,845 --> 00:14:10,405 Speaker 1: I am going to say this, if you are in 220 00:14:10,525 --> 00:14:13,165 Speaker 1: space with half the power that you need, it's going 221 00:14:13,205 --> 00:14:17,565 Speaker 1: to affect pretty much everything on the spacecraft. So that's 222 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:21,845 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, stabilization engine firing. I mean literally, he 223 00:14:21,885 --> 00:14:23,845 Speaker 1: did not have the power for these things to work 224 00:14:23,885 --> 00:14:26,325 Speaker 1: the way they should. He went around the Earth a 225 00:14:26,365 --> 00:14:30,085 Speaker 1: couple of times and then told the guys like down 226 00:14:30,165 --> 00:14:33,765 Speaker 1: below in the same station, in the Soviet Union space station, 227 00:14:34,405 --> 00:14:37,845 Speaker 1: that it was an extremely dangerous situation, and they recognized 228 00:14:37,885 --> 00:14:41,845 Speaker 1: that they wanted to go send out a party up 229 00:14:41,885 --> 00:14:44,845 Speaker 1: into space world to help. And they were actually going 230 00:14:44,885 --> 00:14:47,165 Speaker 1: to send the so US two out not to do 231 00:14:47,365 --> 00:14:49,765 Speaker 1: what they hadn't intended to, but to fix a solar panel. 232 00:14:50,125 --> 00:14:53,805 Speaker 1: But rainstorms started happening and the thunderstorm happened, and they 233 00:14:53,845 --> 00:14:55,285 Speaker 1: were like, you know what, we're not going to send 234 00:14:55,285 --> 00:14:57,485 Speaker 1: so US too. Let's just get you back down immediately. 235 00:14:58,325 --> 00:15:03,245 Speaker 1: So they were preparing an emergency landing, which actually could 236 00:15:03,285 --> 00:15:04,885 Speaker 1: have worked. I mean it was, it was. It dont 237 00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:07,125 Speaker 1: seem to look it's so crazy. It's just smart work, 238 00:15:07,285 --> 00:15:11,605 Speaker 1: you know, but it could have worked. And then as 239 00:15:11,965 --> 00:15:15,925 Speaker 1: they were emergency landing, because of the lack of silver panels, 240 00:15:16,285 --> 00:15:20,405 Speaker 1: the spacecraft was incredibly unbalanced, and so when he began 241 00:15:20,805 --> 00:15:24,805 Speaker 1: falling to Earth, literally falling, not you know, controlled descent, 242 00:15:25,205 --> 00:15:29,165 Speaker 1: there was no aerodynamic capability within the spacecraft because of 243 00:15:29,165 --> 00:15:32,405 Speaker 1: all the problems, and so he was basically crashing down 244 00:15:32,525 --> 00:15:34,925 Speaker 1: like a meteor. And then on top of that, the 245 00:15:34,965 --> 00:15:39,525 Speaker 1: emergency parachutes did not launch. He already knew that was 246 00:15:39,565 --> 00:15:43,205 Speaker 1: one of the two hundred and three problems. Perhaps yep, absolutely, 247 00:15:43,765 --> 00:15:46,765 Speaker 1: And so none of this came as a surprise to 248 00:15:47,285 --> 00:15:50,125 Speaker 1: Komarov or even the people at the space station. They 249 00:15:50,125 --> 00:15:52,725 Speaker 1: were trying to make it work with what they had, 250 00:15:52,925 --> 00:15:56,485 Speaker 1: but obviously they didn't. And it is said in this 251 00:15:56,605 --> 00:15:59,365 Speaker 1: book that can be a little bit questionable, but we'll 252 00:15:59,365 --> 00:16:01,005 Speaker 1: never know for sure. But it is said that US 253 00:16:01,045 --> 00:16:05,205 Speaker 1: intelligent posts in Turkey heard him crying in rage and 254 00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:09,165 Speaker 1: basically like cursing the government and cursing the spacecraft, and 255 00:16:09,245 --> 00:16:13,045 Speaker 1: it's just a very sad, terrible situation. So Kamarov fell 256 00:16:13,245 --> 00:16:17,445 Speaker 1: at full speed, his spacecraft flattened instantly and then exploded 257 00:16:17,525 --> 00:16:20,405 Speaker 1: and then two rocket launchers that were supposed to launch 258 00:16:20,445 --> 00:16:25,045 Speaker 1: in space launched on the ground, so he everything exploded 259 00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:27,925 Speaker 1: and blew up and was on fire, and his remains 260 00:16:27,925 --> 00:16:34,365 Speaker 1: were essentially a charred lump. Jeeze h. Yeah, that's a lot. 261 00:16:34,525 --> 00:16:39,565 Speaker 1: That's it was. Anybody nearby was like there any other casualties, No, no, 262 00:16:39,845 --> 00:16:43,005 Speaker 1: no other casualties. It's pretty crazy because when they went 263 00:16:43,085 --> 00:16:45,445 Speaker 1: to go pick him up, like take care of him, 264 00:16:45,525 --> 00:16:49,405 Speaker 1: they initially thought that it was a salvageable situation, and 265 00:16:49,485 --> 00:16:52,485 Speaker 1: so they sent out like emergency rescue party, and the 266 00:16:52,525 --> 00:16:56,925 Speaker 1: moment they got there, they saw a just absolutely the 267 00:16:57,085 --> 00:16:59,165 Speaker 1: spacecraft was in flames and there was no way that 268 00:16:59,205 --> 00:17:02,525 Speaker 1: anyone would survive that. And sure enough he had his 269 00:17:02,645 --> 00:17:06,365 Speaker 1: open casket funeral, and he had a state funeral. There's 270 00:17:06,445 --> 00:17:11,365 Speaker 1: a really famous picture of Soviet generals looking over his 271 00:17:11,525 --> 00:17:16,125 Speaker 1: charred remains, and then they cremated him and gave him 272 00:17:16,125 --> 00:17:20,365 Speaker 1: a really big, fancy state funeral and then entered his 273 00:17:20,525 --> 00:17:23,765 Speaker 1: ashes at the Kremlin wall. He was seen as like 274 00:17:23,805 --> 00:17:28,445 Speaker 1: a national hero basically, but I not for the right 275 00:17:28,525 --> 00:17:30,445 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think, not for the right reasons. 276 00:17:30,445 --> 00:17:34,365 Speaker 1: And Gagarin was furious and was very vocal about the 277 00:17:34,405 --> 00:17:36,925 Speaker 1: fact that this could have been avoided and it was 278 00:17:37,005 --> 00:17:41,445 Speaker 1: just a really bad situation. What was the conspiracy theory 279 00:17:41,445 --> 00:17:45,205 Speaker 1: about the photograph? The conspiracy theory about the photograph is 280 00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:49,445 Speaker 1: that people believe that wasn't him because they wouldn't have 281 00:17:49,445 --> 00:17:52,565 Speaker 1: been allowed to take a picture during the open casket funeral. 282 00:17:52,885 --> 00:17:56,165 Speaker 1: They say that it's someone else that had experienced, according 283 00:17:56,205 --> 00:18:01,165 Speaker 1: to reditors, six hours of being on fire, as like 284 00:18:02,005 --> 00:18:04,525 Speaker 1: a test program or something, and those were his remains. 285 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:10,125 Speaker 1: But then another writer said, that's impossible, so we'll never know. 286 00:18:11,005 --> 00:18:14,725 Speaker 1: Doctor read it, said, but you read it. But regardless 287 00:18:14,765 --> 00:18:17,285 Speaker 1: of whether the picture is accurate or not, it is 288 00:18:17,525 --> 00:18:20,645 Speaker 1: documented that there was an open casket funeral. He did 289 00:18:20,685 --> 00:18:25,325 Speaker 1: have charred remains, so there was still somewhat of a body. 290 00:18:25,445 --> 00:18:27,885 Speaker 1: Though if you ever look up the picture, it's not 291 00:18:28,005 --> 00:18:29,645 Speaker 1: much of a body at all. It's more like a 292 00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:32,605 Speaker 1: like a lump like that is for sure. Yeah, the 293 00:18:32,685 --> 00:18:38,245 Speaker 1: rest read it, will I mean no, we'll read it. 294 00:18:38,245 --> 00:18:41,205 Speaker 1: And then also our space historians have also disagreed with 295 00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:42,765 Speaker 1: some of the things that were said, because what was 296 00:18:42,765 --> 00:18:45,365 Speaker 1: the book called It's like Space Man. Yeah, it was, 297 00:18:45,485 --> 00:18:49,645 Speaker 1: it was Space Man. It's basically this book about Gagarin's 298 00:18:49,845 --> 00:18:53,165 Speaker 1: journey as the first cosmonaut to ever go into space. 299 00:18:53,205 --> 00:18:57,925 Speaker 1: But it's very like dramatically told, and there are obviously 300 00:18:57,965 --> 00:19:01,405 Speaker 1: resources quoted, and it is supposed to be a historical book. 301 00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:04,405 Speaker 1: A lot of people have been like that didn't happen. 302 00:19:04,965 --> 00:19:09,205 Speaker 1: So I took almost all the facts, and what we 303 00:19:09,285 --> 00:19:14,565 Speaker 1: do know is that regardless it was a very dire situation, 304 00:19:15,285 --> 00:19:17,565 Speaker 1: they clearly knew what they were getting into. He knew 305 00:19:17,565 --> 00:19:21,525 Speaker 1: that the spacecraft was doomed, and yet he still still went. 306 00:19:22,365 --> 00:19:25,165 Speaker 1: Didn't seem Mike, he had much of a choice though. Absolutely. 307 00:19:25,445 --> 00:19:28,325 Speaker 1: I hate stories like this because, to be quite honest, 308 00:19:28,405 --> 00:19:32,125 Speaker 1: I don't believe in heroism in that way. It's like, 309 00:19:32,245 --> 00:19:35,165 Speaker 1: not for a country or a political ideal. I'm sorry, 310 00:19:35,205 --> 00:19:37,485 Speaker 1: I just like that, it's just not worth it. And 311 00:19:37,485 --> 00:19:39,445 Speaker 1: he clearly knew what was happening. And I don't think 312 00:19:39,485 --> 00:19:41,605 Speaker 1: he necessarily went by choice. I think it was just 313 00:19:41,685 --> 00:19:46,525 Speaker 1: like be either that or be killed by the Soviet Union, 314 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:50,925 Speaker 1: be killed or be killed those yeah, because they need 315 00:19:50,925 --> 00:19:55,045 Speaker 1: to have their little party, so dumb. Well, Nika, thank 316 00:19:55,045 --> 00:19:59,165 Speaker 1: you so much for sharing this tale. And after the 317 00:19:59,245 --> 00:20:01,685 Speaker 1: break we're going to get into a little bit more 318 00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:10,805 Speaker 1: about death and space. So we'll be right back. Oh, 319 00:20:10,845 --> 00:20:14,565 Speaker 1: welcome back to cadaver Gal's. Nico was just telling us 320 00:20:14,605 --> 00:20:20,725 Speaker 1: about the sad tale lack of heroism, because heroisms stoopid. Anyway, 321 00:20:20,765 --> 00:20:22,445 Speaker 1: you said it much better than I was about to 322 00:20:22,445 --> 00:20:25,165 Speaker 1: say it again. But Nico made a great point. So 323 00:20:25,205 --> 00:20:28,125 Speaker 1: if you forgot it, you know, scroll, it's just not 324 00:20:28,285 --> 00:20:32,485 Speaker 1: worth it. I just know. Especially, I mean, it's interesting 325 00:20:32,525 --> 00:20:35,925 Speaker 1: thinking about space depths, because I mean, I think there's 326 00:20:35,485 --> 00:20:39,165 Speaker 1: a there's many reasons why why to go to space, 327 00:20:39,365 --> 00:20:43,085 Speaker 1: but in order to get to space it is very dangerous. 328 00:20:43,605 --> 00:20:46,365 Speaker 1: But there is like people who say that based on 329 00:20:46,445 --> 00:20:50,085 Speaker 1: how risky it is, there's actually been quite few fatalities 330 00:20:50,245 --> 00:20:54,045 Speaker 1: in general related to any sort of space, either space 331 00:20:54,085 --> 00:20:57,365 Speaker 1: training or going into orbit. So since the nineteen fifties, 332 00:20:57,405 --> 00:21:01,645 Speaker 1: when the space race sort began, there's only been thirty 333 00:21:02,325 --> 00:21:07,245 Speaker 1: fatalities due to attempts to read space out of how many. 334 00:21:07,565 --> 00:21:10,685 Speaker 1: To answer your question, Taylor, which I definitely knew before 335 00:21:10,725 --> 00:21:13,405 Speaker 1: you asked, it is that five hundred and sixty eight 336 00:21:13,405 --> 00:21:18,765 Speaker 1: people from forty one different countries have gone into space approximately, 337 00:21:19,405 --> 00:21:22,285 Speaker 1: But that is also then delineated by like which part 338 00:21:22,325 --> 00:21:24,325 Speaker 1: of space you went to? So there's a lot fewer 339 00:21:24,325 --> 00:21:27,405 Speaker 1: people who have gone beyond the Carmen line, which is 340 00:21:27,445 --> 00:21:31,605 Speaker 1: basically basically how they're delineating between Earth's orbit and what 341 00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:35,045 Speaker 1: space actually is. And it's about one hundred kilometers above 342 00:21:35,165 --> 00:21:38,005 Speaker 1: us is where the Carmen line is. I see. So 343 00:21:38,285 --> 00:21:40,805 Speaker 1: I was just going to say, so, what's that percentage? 344 00:21:41,205 --> 00:21:47,845 Speaker 1: Ivy league. I'm sorry, this is important. Yes, it's probably 345 00:21:47,885 --> 00:21:52,005 Speaker 1: like eight percent. Okay that I don't think that's true. 346 00:21:52,285 --> 00:21:59,725 Speaker 1: I don't, okay, hold on five. I just like I 347 00:21:59,805 --> 00:22:03,885 Speaker 1: like asking people who have higher education than mean questions 348 00:22:04,205 --> 00:22:09,125 Speaker 1: that they don't know. Ha ha ha. Maybe more like 349 00:22:09,165 --> 00:22:15,205 Speaker 1: seven percent, um, But sorry, Yeah, I can make ass 350 00:22:15,325 --> 00:22:20,885 Speaker 1: jokes and I can do approximate calculations. A complex person, 351 00:22:21,165 --> 00:22:27,005 Speaker 1: I'm very Yeah, I'm very complex. I'm layered like a 352 00:22:27,165 --> 00:22:35,765 Speaker 1: bean dip with other things. I'm layered like dip. Okay, Okay, 353 00:22:35,845 --> 00:22:38,045 Speaker 1: let's get so people. A lot of people have died, 354 00:22:38,685 --> 00:22:42,805 Speaker 1: but they've all been either from the Soviet Union or 355 00:22:43,285 --> 00:22:46,365 Speaker 1: the United States, and the United States really has racked 356 00:22:46,405 --> 00:22:52,125 Speaker 1: him up with the Challenger and the Columbia in nineteen 357 00:22:52,205 --> 00:22:54,725 Speaker 1: eighty six and two thousand and three. So go us, 358 00:22:54,725 --> 00:22:57,685 Speaker 1: you know, our space program. But I mean, speaking of 359 00:22:57,725 --> 00:23:00,165 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and how kind of like we just don't 360 00:23:00,245 --> 00:23:04,205 Speaker 1: know what was happening in the Soviet Union. There is 361 00:23:04,245 --> 00:23:08,445 Speaker 1: this theory called the lost Cosmonauts or the phantom Cosmonauts, 362 00:23:08,445 --> 00:23:12,325 Speaker 1: where they'd be like before Gagarin reach space, they'd actually 363 00:23:12,365 --> 00:23:15,365 Speaker 1: sent some other people up there, and they'd died doing that. 364 00:23:15,685 --> 00:23:19,925 Speaker 1: And there's been multiple attempts to like look through documentation 365 00:23:20,085 --> 00:23:22,245 Speaker 1: and people's memoirs and stuff to figure out if that 366 00:23:22,405 --> 00:23:24,365 Speaker 1: was the case. There's no proof of it, but they're 367 00:23:24,405 --> 00:23:28,965 Speaker 1: still probably active in the reddit community, people dissecting this 368 00:23:29,085 --> 00:23:32,645 Speaker 1: theory that there are people sent into space before Gagarin. Well, 369 00:23:32,685 --> 00:23:35,165 Speaker 1: that's the thing with the Soviet Union, like you're never 370 00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:39,005 Speaker 1: gonna know the full story. I wouldn't write off that 371 00:23:39,085 --> 00:23:43,085 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory because we don't know half of what and 372 00:23:43,165 --> 00:23:46,685 Speaker 1: we never will, honestly. Yeah, and so who knows. Maybe 373 00:23:46,685 --> 00:23:48,885 Speaker 1: they're also still up there in space just hanging out. 374 00:23:49,285 --> 00:23:53,845 Speaker 1: They may have their whole like a whole spaceship area 375 00:23:54,125 --> 00:23:56,605 Speaker 1: that they hang out, a station. There you go, that's 376 00:23:56,605 --> 00:23:59,765 Speaker 1: the word, yeah, yep, yep. And also the interesting thing 377 00:23:59,805 --> 00:24:02,845 Speaker 1: is there's actually only been three people who have ever 378 00:24:03,005 --> 00:24:07,045 Speaker 1: died in technically what is space ace beyond the Carmen line. 379 00:24:07,445 --> 00:24:10,565 Speaker 1: And this happened in nineteen seventy one, and it was 380 00:24:10,605 --> 00:24:15,005 Speaker 1: three cosmonauts also in a Soyu space craft. This was 381 00:24:15,005 --> 00:24:18,925 Speaker 1: the Soyu's eleven and so they had actually successfully gone 382 00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:23,245 Speaker 1: into space. They were the first people to reside on 383 00:24:23,325 --> 00:24:25,645 Speaker 1: the first space station that had been launched into space, 384 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:28,565 Speaker 1: and they were up there for three weeks doing experiments 385 00:24:29,165 --> 00:24:33,525 Speaker 1: and as they were coming back, their craft successfully landed 386 00:24:34,165 --> 00:24:37,645 Speaker 1: because it had like an automatic pilot situation going on. 387 00:24:37,965 --> 00:24:40,485 Speaker 1: But then when people went to the spacecraft to open 388 00:24:40,525 --> 00:24:44,125 Speaker 1: it up, they found the three cosmonauts dead inside. They 389 00:24:44,165 --> 00:24:47,885 Speaker 1: had like blue splotches on their face and also they 390 00:24:47,885 --> 00:24:52,925 Speaker 1: were bleeding out of their ears and noses. No, so 391 00:24:53,045 --> 00:24:56,085 Speaker 1: it was determined that they died from asphyxiation because a 392 00:24:56,125 --> 00:25:01,365 Speaker 1: breathing ventilation valve had ruptured in space and also because 393 00:25:01,365 --> 00:25:05,205 Speaker 1: of the reducing pressure within the vessel, it caused them 394 00:25:05,245 --> 00:25:08,605 Speaker 1: to be exposed to the vast vacuum that is space. 395 00:25:09,125 --> 00:25:12,565 Speaker 1: So despite the movies, these were the only people ever 396 00:25:12,685 --> 00:25:15,365 Speaker 1: to have been exposed to space. See while like a 397 00:25:15,525 --> 00:25:19,085 Speaker 1: Ridley Scott movie has like eleven people pass away quickly 398 00:25:20,205 --> 00:25:22,005 Speaker 1: or even the ones that are kind of set more 399 00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:24,285 Speaker 1: like presently too, there's always like I mean, I remember 400 00:25:24,285 --> 00:25:26,805 Speaker 1: being eight and seeing like a space movie in theaters 401 00:25:26,845 --> 00:25:29,285 Speaker 1: and just being like, oh god, this is what's good. 402 00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:31,245 Speaker 1: People always be dying in space. But really there's only 403 00:25:31,285 --> 00:25:34,285 Speaker 1: been three and it was in nineteen seventy one when 404 00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:37,725 Speaker 1: this had happened. And then after that they kind of 405 00:25:37,765 --> 00:25:41,525 Speaker 1: they changed the rules. These three cosmonauts were not wearing 406 00:25:41,565 --> 00:25:44,845 Speaker 1: their space suits, and so now there was a sort 407 00:25:44,885 --> 00:25:47,005 Speaker 1: of everyone was like, hey, you should probably just wear 408 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,365 Speaker 1: your space suit when you're going in and out of orbit, 409 00:25:49,525 --> 00:25:51,645 Speaker 1: you know, just like put it on your seatbelt, your 410 00:25:51,685 --> 00:25:54,645 Speaker 1: space suit. Just get them all on. It's great. And 411 00:25:54,685 --> 00:26:00,725 Speaker 1: then after Kamarav's death, they officially banned Gagaran from going 412 00:26:00,765 --> 00:26:04,645 Speaker 1: into spacecrafts because you know, he was too precious. Oh 413 00:26:04,725 --> 00:26:08,365 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. See, Like it seems like they 414 00:26:08,405 --> 00:26:12,965 Speaker 1: had shadow banned him for so used one but there 415 00:26:13,045 --> 00:26:15,405 Speaker 1: was still a light chance. But then after that they 416 00:26:15,445 --> 00:26:18,765 Speaker 1: officially banned him, Yeah, because you know, he was so special, 417 00:26:18,805 --> 00:26:21,245 Speaker 1: even though I feel like within communism you're not supposed 418 00:26:21,285 --> 00:26:25,845 Speaker 1: to have special people. Soon, what's up with that? What's 419 00:26:25,925 --> 00:26:29,045 Speaker 1: up with that? But then the next year, he was 420 00:26:29,085 --> 00:26:32,565 Speaker 1: allowed to do regular like aircraft stuff, and so he 421 00:26:32,645 --> 00:26:35,125 Speaker 1: was flying an aircraft and then it crashed and he died. 422 00:26:35,325 --> 00:26:39,165 Speaker 1: So he died a year after this happened. Okay, it's 423 00:26:39,165 --> 00:26:41,485 Speaker 1: interesting when you look at like the thirty fatalities, most 424 00:26:41,485 --> 00:26:44,325 Speaker 1: of them have come from NASA, But I mean with Russia, 425 00:26:44,325 --> 00:26:46,325 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to determine, like have there been 426 00:26:46,445 --> 00:26:50,045 Speaker 1: more deaths. We don't know, because there's only two other 427 00:26:50,365 --> 00:26:54,725 Speaker 1: deaths that are documented from the Soviet Union. One was 428 00:26:54,725 --> 00:26:58,685 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty one, and these were just like training deaths, 429 00:26:58,765 --> 00:27:01,125 Speaker 1: where so they weren't like actually in space. They were 430 00:27:01,165 --> 00:27:04,885 Speaker 1: experimenting on the vessel itself and they had reduced it 431 00:27:05,165 --> 00:27:10,125 Speaker 1: to a fifty percent oxygen atmosphere. But then it caught 432 00:27:10,165 --> 00:27:13,365 Speaker 1: on fire and so he suffered from all these burns 433 00:27:13,405 --> 00:27:15,925 Speaker 1: and then he died in the hospital. And then there 434 00:27:16,005 --> 00:27:18,005 Speaker 1: was another guy, and this was I guess this was 435 00:27:18,045 --> 00:27:20,925 Speaker 1: after the Soviet Union, but this was in nineteen ninety three. 436 00:27:21,165 --> 00:27:26,005 Speaker 1: There was a guy who was doing a recovery training 437 00:27:26,245 --> 00:27:29,445 Speaker 1: and he drowned in the Black Sea. So these are 438 00:27:29,485 --> 00:27:32,325 Speaker 1: the only documented ones within the Soviet Union. And it 439 00:27:32,365 --> 00:27:35,685 Speaker 1: really does seem that like launching the spacecrafts is often 440 00:27:35,765 --> 00:27:38,365 Speaker 1: what the issue is. So what I was thinking from 441 00:27:38,365 --> 00:27:41,245 Speaker 1: one of our previous episodes, what if they just cluster 442 00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:47,485 Speaker 1: balloon the space shuttles into space. This is science. That's 443 00:27:47,485 --> 00:27:51,365 Speaker 1: a great idea, Gaby, I'm just spitballing some IVY league 444 00:27:51,565 --> 00:27:54,245 Speaker 1: level ideas. You know, just get a bunch of balloons. 445 00:27:54,285 --> 00:27:59,085 Speaker 1: Make it look like a clown, you know, rising into space. Nica, 446 00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:01,365 Speaker 1: this is what you've missed from college, you know, is 447 00:28:01,405 --> 00:28:09,245 Speaker 1: this scientific training back anyway, So space it's dangerous, but 448 00:28:09,325 --> 00:28:11,405 Speaker 1: then also not as dangerous as you would think. But 449 00:28:11,525 --> 00:28:15,005 Speaker 1: still people be dying to, you know, get their decks 450 00:28:15,045 --> 00:28:19,205 Speaker 1: into space. So the conclusion is space it's not that dangerous, 451 00:28:19,245 --> 00:28:23,285 Speaker 1: but it's still pretty dangerous. We're gonna move into a 452 00:28:23,325 --> 00:28:28,485 Speaker 1: different subject. We're gonna be bouncing from Russia over to Italia. 453 00:28:28,525 --> 00:28:33,005 Speaker 1: And Taylor has a nice little mafia tail for us, 454 00:28:33,005 --> 00:28:36,165 Speaker 1: So Taylor take it away. Yeah, We're going from the 455 00:28:36,245 --> 00:28:41,045 Speaker 1: KGB to the Mafia. I'm so excited about this. I 456 00:28:41,085 --> 00:28:44,765 Speaker 1: have a fascination with the mafia and all of their 457 00:28:44,845 --> 00:28:47,685 Speaker 1: terrible things that they've done in a bad way. Also, 458 00:28:47,845 --> 00:28:50,365 Speaker 1: I almost had an Italian sandwich yesterday, So like this 459 00:28:50,445 --> 00:28:54,925 Speaker 1: is perfect. Couldn't couldn't have planned it better myself, and 460 00:28:56,205 --> 00:29:00,205 Speaker 1: I just you know, absolutely, I say almost because I 461 00:29:00,245 --> 00:29:04,285 Speaker 1: was thinking of getting one and then I didn't. But still, wow, 462 00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:08,885 Speaker 1: so you didn't even the sandwich, No did? Okay, you 463 00:29:08,925 --> 00:29:14,805 Speaker 1: are canceled. Still, it's a crazy coincidence Nica thought about 464 00:29:14,925 --> 00:29:19,365 Speaker 1: Italian things. All right. Anyway, so we're going to the 465 00:29:19,445 --> 00:29:23,005 Speaker 1: nineteen forties. We are going to talk about Plateito Risotto, 466 00:29:23,485 --> 00:29:28,645 Speaker 1: who was an Italian trade union leader and a rice dish, 467 00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:33,685 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, and he helped farmers take the unfarmed land 468 00:29:33,805 --> 00:29:37,645 Speaker 1: to expand and take over that land that was controlled 469 00:29:38,085 --> 00:29:43,525 Speaker 1: by the mafia. Good for him, Yeah, I'm fascinated, but 470 00:29:43,565 --> 00:29:48,405 Speaker 1: I hate them. So growing up, Risotto's dad was wrongfully 471 00:29:48,445 --> 00:29:55,485 Speaker 1: incarcerated for criminal association aka the mafia, which Risotto was like, 472 00:29:55,805 --> 00:29:59,285 Speaker 1: that's not cool. My dad wasn't in the mafia, and 473 00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:01,805 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going to do my best too. 474 00:30:01,845 --> 00:30:04,765 Speaker 1: I think he was framed by the mafia. So he 475 00:30:04,845 --> 00:30:08,845 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna do whatever I can to help 476 00:30:08,885 --> 00:30:11,445 Speaker 1: people who are having to deal with the mafia. Which 477 00:30:11,525 --> 00:30:15,205 Speaker 1: that's a really aggressive plan, I think, yeah, because the mafia, 478 00:30:15,285 --> 00:30:18,125 Speaker 1: you know, they'd be powerful and shit and scary as hell. 479 00:30:18,685 --> 00:30:26,525 Speaker 1: So the mafia's business is quote, protect businessmen through violence. 480 00:30:26,845 --> 00:30:29,605 Speaker 1: So they're like, we're just gonna be violent. That was 481 00:30:29,765 --> 00:30:32,045 Speaker 1: there the gist. So they wake up every morning and 482 00:30:32,045 --> 00:30:34,485 Speaker 1: they choose violence. They wake up every morning and choose 483 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:39,845 Speaker 1: violence exactly. So after Risotto starts to grow up, he 484 00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:43,645 Speaker 1: is in World War two, comes home, takes on the mafia. 485 00:30:43,725 --> 00:30:46,685 Speaker 1: He's like, World War Two wasn't enough. Let me just 486 00:30:47,165 --> 00:30:52,925 Speaker 1: fight these powerful men exactly. I took on fascism. Now 487 00:30:53,045 --> 00:30:56,685 Speaker 1: I'm going to take on the mafia. He was anti 488 00:30:56,805 --> 00:31:05,045 Speaker 1: mafia antima as we oh my, just me wow, Taylor, 489 00:31:07,445 --> 00:31:13,165 Speaker 1: it's antifap It's just Italian exactly. So, as you can imagine, 490 00:31:13,485 --> 00:31:15,765 Speaker 1: the mafia was not a huge fan of his work, 491 00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:18,845 Speaker 1: but he was trying to lead a revolution. He was 492 00:31:19,125 --> 00:31:21,885 Speaker 1: kind of organizing these protests in the street where they 493 00:31:21,885 --> 00:31:26,245 Speaker 1: would chant land for all. So the crowds, yeah, and 494 00:31:26,285 --> 00:31:29,165 Speaker 1: so the crowds were getting bigger and bigger, and the 495 00:31:29,245 --> 00:31:31,565 Speaker 1: mafia was like, this is scary. There's going to be 496 00:31:31,605 --> 00:31:34,125 Speaker 1: more of them and there are of us, so we'd 497 00:31:34,165 --> 00:31:37,205 Speaker 1: better shut this down. So at the time, the leader 498 00:31:37,245 --> 00:31:39,725 Speaker 1: of the mafia or father as he was referred to, 499 00:31:40,005 --> 00:31:43,605 Speaker 1: was and I'm probably going to butcher this, so I apologize. 500 00:31:43,685 --> 00:31:47,845 Speaker 1: I do not speak Italian. But his name was Michele Navara, 501 00:31:47,925 --> 00:31:50,685 Speaker 1: and he was actually a pretty educated guy. He studied 502 00:31:50,725 --> 00:31:54,405 Speaker 1: engineering and then moved on to medicine and eventually became 503 00:31:54,885 --> 00:31:58,205 Speaker 1: captain in the Italian Army. So naturally the next step 504 00:31:58,245 --> 00:32:00,885 Speaker 1: would be mob boss. But he was a mob boss 505 00:32:00,925 --> 00:32:03,765 Speaker 1: with a medical degree, and he became the director of 506 00:32:03,885 --> 00:32:09,045 Speaker 1: the hospital. He seems well rounded, very well rounded. So 507 00:32:09,365 --> 00:32:12,845 Speaker 1: one night after Risotto was taking on the mafia, you know, 508 00:32:13,285 --> 00:32:16,805 Speaker 1: that's a really tiring job, I would imagine, So he's like, 509 00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:19,765 Speaker 1: I need a drink, calls up some of his buddies 510 00:32:19,765 --> 00:32:22,965 Speaker 1: and is like, hey, let's go to the bar. So 511 00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:26,605 Speaker 1: he's having fun, he's drinking with his buddies and then 512 00:32:26,645 --> 00:32:29,045 Speaker 1: he is seen walking out of the bar with someone 513 00:32:29,365 --> 00:32:33,485 Speaker 1: just to have a casual conversation. Well, that person was 514 00:32:33,525 --> 00:32:36,765 Speaker 1: assumed by everyone to be involved in the mafia. And 515 00:32:36,925 --> 00:32:42,165 Speaker 1: what happened was Risotto was kidnapped. Oh no way, but 516 00:32:42,325 --> 00:32:46,525 Speaker 1: good news. There was a witness, an eleven year old boy. 517 00:32:47,205 --> 00:32:51,565 Speaker 1: He was a shepherd, Giuseppe Letizia, but he saw the 518 00:32:51,605 --> 00:32:53,805 Speaker 1: whole thing go down, and so he tells his dad 519 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:57,045 Speaker 1: that he had just seen bandit smashing a man's skull. 520 00:32:57,925 --> 00:32:59,885 Speaker 1: He was very upset, in a lot of shock. He 521 00:32:59,965 --> 00:33:03,485 Speaker 1: was shaking, freaking out. Can't say I blame him. So 522 00:33:03,605 --> 00:33:06,805 Speaker 1: his dad takes him to the hospital. Now, if you 523 00:33:06,845 --> 00:33:11,445 Speaker 1: recall old father Navara runs the hospital that the boy 524 00:33:11,565 --> 00:33:17,925 Speaker 1: was taken to, and this poor boy was telling Navara 525 00:33:18,005 --> 00:33:21,125 Speaker 1: the story, like Navarre heard that that this little boy 526 00:33:21,325 --> 00:33:24,565 Speaker 1: was here and saw something go down. So Navara is like, 527 00:33:24,605 --> 00:33:28,765 Speaker 1: let me go check this out. So fellow doctor Ignazio 528 00:33:29,005 --> 00:33:33,765 Speaker 1: del Laurea suggested, you know, injecting him with something to 529 00:33:33,805 --> 00:33:38,045 Speaker 1: help calm him down. Well, turns out that injection was lethal, 530 00:33:38,645 --> 00:33:44,325 Speaker 1: resulting in the boy's death. So the doctor del Aria 531 00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:48,845 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what just happened. This isn't cool. 532 00:33:48,925 --> 00:33:51,325 Speaker 1: It looks like this kid just got poisoned and it 533 00:33:51,365 --> 00:33:53,685 Speaker 1: would have been his fault, the doctor's fault. Yeah, he 534 00:33:53,725 --> 00:33:56,405 Speaker 1: was like totally intending to just like help calm him down. 535 00:33:56,445 --> 00:33:58,685 Speaker 1: And so he's like, take this kid to an autopsy. 536 00:33:58,765 --> 00:34:02,165 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, and he was being pretty 537 00:34:02,285 --> 00:34:05,405 Speaker 1: this doctor is being pretty vocal about it. The autop 538 00:34:05,565 --> 00:34:08,405 Speaker 1: he led to the conclusion that the boy died of toxicosis, 539 00:34:08,805 --> 00:34:11,165 Speaker 1: and so they didn't take the doctor along to realize 540 00:34:11,205 --> 00:34:15,205 Speaker 1: what like basically what had happened. It basically came out 541 00:34:15,245 --> 00:34:19,925 Speaker 1: that that perhaps he was poisoned by perhaps Navara, and 542 00:34:20,125 --> 00:34:23,245 Speaker 1: so this doctor was like, I said the wrong thing, 543 00:34:23,325 --> 00:34:25,405 Speaker 1: I did the wrong thing. I messed with the wrong people. 544 00:34:26,045 --> 00:34:32,445 Speaker 1: And he pieced out to Australia. Oh damn, that's so random, 545 00:34:33,045 --> 00:34:36,405 Speaker 1: because I realized my mob boss boss was like poisoning kids. 546 00:34:36,405 --> 00:34:38,365 Speaker 1: You had to get out of there. He realized that 547 00:34:38,405 --> 00:34:41,965 Speaker 1: he would just basically said because he knew everything that 548 00:34:42,045 --> 00:34:44,525 Speaker 1: had happened. He had said that he saw something that 549 00:34:44,765 --> 00:34:47,965 Speaker 1: you know, this guy getting his head smashed in, and 550 00:34:48,085 --> 00:34:50,805 Speaker 1: so I think he just kind of put two and 551 00:34:50,845 --> 00:34:53,605 Speaker 1: two together and was realizing that, hey, he was working 552 00:34:53,645 --> 00:34:57,125 Speaker 1: for the mafia. Well, working for a hospital that was 553 00:34:57,245 --> 00:35:00,725 Speaker 1: led by the mafia boss. That's stressful as heck, yeah, 554 00:35:00,805 --> 00:35:04,725 Speaker 1: I would have scedaddled too. So this led to Navarre's 555 00:35:05,205 --> 00:35:08,565 Speaker 1: a rest in association for the boy's murder, but he 556 00:35:08,645 --> 00:35:11,565 Speaker 1: was not convicted because I guess he has high friends 557 00:35:11,565 --> 00:35:16,885 Speaker 1: and high places. They're just high. They were just high. 558 00:35:16,925 --> 00:35:21,045 Speaker 1: So Navara usually outsourced his murders. He wasn't the one 559 00:35:21,045 --> 00:35:22,965 Speaker 1: that typically he didn't like to get his hands dirty 560 00:35:23,245 --> 00:35:28,245 Speaker 1: because he's a small business supporter that makes sense export 561 00:35:28,285 --> 00:35:35,165 Speaker 1: the labor exactly. So his protege Luciano Leggio. Maybe I 562 00:35:35,165 --> 00:35:38,005 Speaker 1: hope the faces that Taylor is making as she's saying 563 00:35:38,045 --> 00:35:41,485 Speaker 1: these names are just chyceless. It's really beautiful. I have 564 00:35:44,085 --> 00:35:47,845 Speaker 1: never even like the first like the only Italian is 565 00:35:47,885 --> 00:35:51,045 Speaker 1: literally that I know was literally like spaghetti, okay, and 566 00:35:51,085 --> 00:35:56,765 Speaker 1: we all know like Italian sandwich exactly. So Luciano Leggio, 567 00:35:57,165 --> 00:35:59,125 Speaker 1: he was the real man behind a lot of the 568 00:35:59,205 --> 00:36:02,765 Speaker 1: murders that Novara was involved with. Perhaps he was the 569 00:36:02,765 --> 00:36:06,445 Speaker 1: one that actually did it. So Edge was a real 570 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:10,285 Speaker 1: up and comer in the mafia world. He was climbing 571 00:36:10,325 --> 00:36:14,005 Speaker 1: his way to the top and eventually becoming top dog 572 00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:18,365 Speaker 1: after Navara tried to off him and so Leggia was like, 573 00:36:18,405 --> 00:36:21,605 Speaker 1: you can't kill me, I'm gonna kill you. So then 574 00:36:22,045 --> 00:36:26,045 Speaker 1: Leggio was like, you're dead. Navara and Navara and this 575 00:36:26,205 --> 00:36:31,245 Speaker 1: other doctor a year dead shot them. There was one 576 00:36:31,245 --> 00:36:35,285 Speaker 1: person who was with Navara that was not associated. He 577 00:36:35,445 --> 00:36:37,645 Speaker 1: just like worked for the hospital and he killed them both. 578 00:36:37,725 --> 00:36:40,925 Speaker 1: He's like, I can't risk it. So basically, it's not 579 00:36:40,965 --> 00:36:43,165 Speaker 1: a secret that this Leggio was a bad dude. He 580 00:36:43,365 --> 00:36:46,965 Speaker 1: was also really good at hiding. But don't you worry. 581 00:36:47,565 --> 00:36:52,165 Speaker 1: We have to get justice for Risotto. Leggio was eventually 582 00:36:52,205 --> 00:36:57,685 Speaker 1: caught at none other than Risotto's former girlfriend's house. I 583 00:36:57,885 --> 00:37:01,005 Speaker 1: was was he with the former girlfriend? This is you know, 584 00:37:01,325 --> 00:37:03,765 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't actually know the tea. I 585 00:37:03,885 --> 00:37:06,445 Speaker 1: tried to find the tea, couldn't. I couldn't find it. 586 00:37:06,485 --> 00:37:11,245 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes, for mess purposes. Okay, for mess purposes. 587 00:37:11,685 --> 00:37:14,845 Speaker 1: So then he was the dude who then who had 588 00:37:14,925 --> 00:37:20,245 Speaker 1: actually kidnapped? Yes? Risotto? Yes, okay, So but what happened 589 00:37:20,245 --> 00:37:25,125 Speaker 1: to Risotto? Fast forward? He's missing, presumed dead because he 590 00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:27,645 Speaker 1: was messing with the mafia, Like we all know that 591 00:37:28,565 --> 00:37:31,525 Speaker 1: the mafia probably was like, okay, you're you're dead. But 592 00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:33,605 Speaker 1: we did hear from the boy though, Remember that he 593 00:37:33,645 --> 00:37:37,525 Speaker 1: saw a man's head get bashed in. So Risotto's body 594 00:37:37,605 --> 00:37:40,485 Speaker 1: still not found, his family made it their mission to 595 00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:42,925 Speaker 1: find him and give him a proper burial and keep 596 00:37:42,965 --> 00:37:46,925 Speaker 1: his memory alive as a hero. So Risotto's nephew, who's 597 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:50,565 Speaker 1: also named Plachito Risotto, was really the hero because he 598 00:37:50,605 --> 00:37:53,885 Speaker 1: was seeing the pain of his grandmother losing her son. 599 00:37:54,085 --> 00:37:57,845 Speaker 1: So after like petitioning and like all of this stuff, 600 00:37:58,165 --> 00:38:00,205 Speaker 1: the family was able to search the area that they 601 00:38:00,205 --> 00:38:05,205 Speaker 1: had suspected that Risotto was executed, and sure enough they 602 00:38:05,525 --> 00:38:07,485 Speaker 1: on some bones of someone who was shot in the 603 00:38:07,525 --> 00:38:12,245 Speaker 1: skull three times execution style. Oh so yeah, so of 604 00:38:12,245 --> 00:38:14,925 Speaker 1: course it's been sixty years, that could have been some 605 00:38:15,005 --> 00:38:18,965 Speaker 1: other unfortunate soul that the mafia had beef with. So 606 00:38:19,285 --> 00:38:22,645 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, as we like to do, the family 607 00:38:22,685 --> 00:38:26,605 Speaker 1: exhumed Risotto's father in order to compare the DNA to 608 00:38:26,645 --> 00:38:29,965 Speaker 1: finally get the answers to the family deserved that that 609 00:38:30,125 --> 00:38:35,325 Speaker 1: was in fact Plachito Risotto. So on March sixteenth, twenty twelve, 610 00:38:35,485 --> 00:38:42,085 Speaker 1: a state funeral was held where Italian President Giorgio Napolitano attended, 611 00:38:42,645 --> 00:38:46,045 Speaker 1: and finally they were able to honor and properly lay 612 00:38:46,085 --> 00:38:52,245 Speaker 1: Plachito Risotto to rest as he deserved. The end. Yeah, 613 00:38:54,045 --> 00:38:58,685 Speaker 1: but also sad, very sad, technically he's still lost. I mean, 614 00:38:59,005 --> 00:39:02,165 Speaker 1: we should not see things in binaries as losing or winning, 615 00:39:02,285 --> 00:39:06,085 Speaker 1: but that's true, but we we did it least get 616 00:39:06,685 --> 00:39:09,845 Speaker 1: justice for Rozotto because the man who did kill him 617 00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:12,725 Speaker 1: did end up going to jail, So there's that. I 618 00:39:12,765 --> 00:39:17,165 Speaker 1: guess the original mob boss he got offt so I 619 00:39:17,205 --> 00:39:20,485 Speaker 1: will say at least there was a little bit of justice. 620 00:39:20,645 --> 00:39:24,285 Speaker 1: None of it is an ideal situation. You don't ever 621 00:39:24,285 --> 00:39:28,485 Speaker 1: want to mess with the mafia. But Placito Risotto was 622 00:39:28,765 --> 00:39:31,765 Speaker 1: very He was really brave to do that and was 623 00:39:31,805 --> 00:39:34,365 Speaker 1: really trying to work for the rights for these farmers 624 00:39:34,405 --> 00:39:37,245 Speaker 1: who deserved to have these lands instead of these businessmen 625 00:39:37,285 --> 00:39:40,725 Speaker 1: who were like really just hanging onto the land so 626 00:39:40,765 --> 00:39:42,965 Speaker 1: that they can get more money and then be violent. 627 00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:48,285 Speaker 1: So lots of brave men in this episode. Yes, Well, 628 00:39:48,285 --> 00:39:52,325 Speaker 1: as we all know from the documentary series The Sopranos, 629 00:39:52,365 --> 00:39:55,765 Speaker 1: the mafia is not as powerful as it used to be. 630 00:39:56,285 --> 00:39:59,245 Speaker 1: They still be out here doing their thing, but you know, 631 00:39:59,565 --> 00:40:01,965 Speaker 1: it's not as bad. But it also seems that mafia 632 00:40:02,005 --> 00:40:06,165 Speaker 1: people also just often kill other mafia people. Don't get 633 00:40:06,165 --> 00:40:10,405 Speaker 1: into the mafia. Yeah, advice from cadaver gaus, avoid the 634 00:40:10,485 --> 00:40:15,085 Speaker 1: mafia and the k yes and the KGB. So this 635 00:40:15,205 --> 00:40:22,845 Speaker 1: is cadaver gauls. We'll be right back, Okay, we're back 636 00:40:22,845 --> 00:40:27,925 Speaker 1: with our little last section of cadaver Gaus today. Taylor 637 00:40:28,045 --> 00:40:35,525 Speaker 1: was just telling us about a heroic man who was 638 00:40:35,645 --> 00:40:37,805 Speaker 1: trying to stand up to the mob and then his 639 00:40:37,965 --> 00:40:45,685 Speaker 1: body wasn't found for many years. Sixty sixty years, it is, 640 00:40:46,085 --> 00:40:52,125 Speaker 1: that's I confirm, that's a long time, and that's actually 641 00:40:52,325 --> 00:40:54,845 Speaker 1: kind of I mean, I was thinking about this because 642 00:40:54,885 --> 00:40:57,165 Speaker 1: apparently with the mafia and the mob, that is one 643 00:40:57,205 --> 00:40:59,925 Speaker 1: of their They have a lot of like ritual murders. 644 00:40:59,925 --> 00:41:02,125 Speaker 1: They like to murder people in specific ways. They have 645 00:41:02,165 --> 00:41:04,485 Speaker 1: a lot of really terrible torture methods. But one thing 646 00:41:04,525 --> 00:41:08,245 Speaker 1: that they also do they often try to get rid 647 00:41:08,285 --> 00:41:11,245 Speaker 1: of body so they can never be found. Yes, so 648 00:41:11,285 --> 00:41:13,005 Speaker 1: that is something they like to do. Find in a 649 00:41:13,045 --> 00:41:18,285 Speaker 1: place there's been you know, specific areas burial grounds that 650 00:41:18,445 --> 00:41:21,325 Speaker 1: people have found over the years from mafia related deaths. 651 00:41:21,845 --> 00:41:28,365 Speaker 1: Our hero Risotto was in a very backwooded area, far away, 652 00:41:28,685 --> 00:41:32,685 Speaker 1: hard to find. And one method that I wanted to 653 00:41:32,805 --> 00:41:35,925 Speaker 1: kind of talk about, which is super horrifying to think about, 654 00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:38,365 Speaker 1: has one method of getting rid of a body that 655 00:41:38,445 --> 00:41:43,445 Speaker 1: the mafia has used is dissolving people and acid. Help 656 00:41:43,605 --> 00:41:46,685 Speaker 1: you tell me more So, the mafia has this code 657 00:41:46,725 --> 00:41:50,645 Speaker 1: of silence called omerta. But it's basically it's not really 658 00:41:50,645 --> 00:41:53,445 Speaker 1: a thing anymore because starting in the nineteen sixties in 659 00:41:53,445 --> 00:41:58,165 Speaker 1: the US, at least with the American Italian mafia people 660 00:41:58,205 --> 00:42:01,165 Speaker 1: started coming forward, you know, working with the FBI, getting 661 00:42:01,165 --> 00:42:03,925 Speaker 1: into witness protection, et cetera, et cetera. So we do 662 00:42:04,045 --> 00:42:07,285 Speaker 1: kind of know from very mafia people, also mafia people 663 00:42:07,285 --> 00:42:10,965 Speaker 1: in Italy that this method of using acid is a 664 00:42:11,045 --> 00:42:12,725 Speaker 1: real thing. And the way that they would often these 665 00:42:12,765 --> 00:42:14,765 Speaker 1: witnesses would describe it as they were like, yeah, you 666 00:42:14,805 --> 00:42:16,685 Speaker 1: just like get the body, you toss it in there 667 00:42:16,685 --> 00:42:20,965 Speaker 1: and it dissolves within twenty minutes or so, that's insane. 668 00:42:21,525 --> 00:42:24,245 Speaker 1: They tried to do that in Breaking Bad, right, Oh yeah, 669 00:42:24,285 --> 00:42:28,965 Speaker 1: my other favorite document Torey. Absolutely. But the thing is, yes, 670 00:42:29,205 --> 00:42:31,245 Speaker 1: that does sound crazy that you could get rid of 671 00:42:31,245 --> 00:42:33,405 Speaker 1: a body in fifteen to twenty minutes. So there's a 672 00:42:33,405 --> 00:42:36,725 Speaker 1: bunch of people who are just like, that sounds crazy 673 00:42:37,125 --> 00:42:40,765 Speaker 1: that it could happen that quickly. So in twenty eleven, 674 00:42:40,805 --> 00:42:44,685 Speaker 1: there is a group of Italian science forensic scientists at 675 00:42:44,725 --> 00:42:48,325 Speaker 1: the University of Palermo, and they decided to do an 676 00:42:48,365 --> 00:42:51,925 Speaker 1: experiment to see if you could dissolve a body in 677 00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:56,525 Speaker 1: acid that quickly. They presented their findings at the American 678 00:42:56,645 --> 00:43:01,165 Speaker 1: Forensic Association conference, which is my favorite conference, and know 679 00:43:01,285 --> 00:43:04,885 Speaker 1: where's the invite? What a crazy job? Like, let's just 680 00:43:04,925 --> 00:43:08,765 Speaker 1: see if this is true for science? Yeah, just being 681 00:43:08,805 --> 00:43:11,125 Speaker 1: like okay, so they're saying you can dissolve the body 682 00:43:11,165 --> 00:43:14,205 Speaker 1: this quickly. Is that true? Fifteen to twenty minutes? And 683 00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:17,445 Speaker 1: basically what they did is they used pig cadavers because 684 00:43:17,485 --> 00:43:22,165 Speaker 1: apparently that's normal and forensic science is the most comparable 685 00:43:22,205 --> 00:43:24,485 Speaker 1: cadaver is a pig one. So I'm still on my 686 00:43:24,605 --> 00:43:29,325 Speaker 1: journey towards being a vegetarian that I dissected a reproductive 687 00:43:29,365 --> 00:43:32,325 Speaker 1: tract of a pig? Is it similar to ours? I 688 00:43:32,365 --> 00:43:38,485 Speaker 1: think so? Yeah? Oh wow emotionally. But so they tested 689 00:43:38,725 --> 00:43:41,885 Speaker 1: out the acid. They dunked them an acid, and they 690 00:43:42,005 --> 00:43:44,885 Speaker 1: found that fifteen to twenty minutes was a pile of 691 00:43:44,925 --> 00:43:47,965 Speaker 1: bullshit because really it takes like the skin and the 692 00:43:48,045 --> 00:43:50,525 Speaker 1: cartilage about twelve hours to dissolve, and if you want 693 00:43:50,525 --> 00:43:53,525 Speaker 1: to fully dissolve bones, it's going to take like two days. 694 00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:56,085 Speaker 1: So they were being so dramatic, they thought they were 695 00:43:56,125 --> 00:43:58,925 Speaker 1: being so cool. They're like, yeah, it only takes like 696 00:43:59,005 --> 00:44:02,645 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. It's just this the powerful acid that we have. 697 00:44:03,445 --> 00:44:06,285 Speaker 1: But no, alas, it takes a much longer time to 698 00:44:06,285 --> 00:44:09,605 Speaker 1: dissolve a body than what the mafia would have you know. 699 00:44:09,725 --> 00:44:13,445 Speaker 1: So even though there's medical bosses apparently in the mob, 700 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:18,565 Speaker 1: you can't trust them with the medical science facts. Okay. Also, 701 00:44:18,645 --> 00:44:21,085 Speaker 1: it's really hard to fully dissolve a body. They're still 702 00:44:21,125 --> 00:44:23,605 Speaker 1: probably gonna be chunks left behind. Oh I did not 703 00:44:23,725 --> 00:44:28,245 Speaker 1: like that word of description. Chunks. So there will spe 704 00:44:28,245 --> 00:44:33,365 Speaker 1: some leftover, some residual body stuff. So maybe one day 705 00:44:33,405 --> 00:44:35,725 Speaker 1: they'll have better acid. I don't know, but they did 706 00:44:35,845 --> 00:44:39,605 Speaker 1: they I don't know, but there was like they did 707 00:44:39,645 --> 00:44:42,085 Speaker 1: find in Italy from the nineteen eighties. They did find 708 00:44:42,085 --> 00:44:44,805 Speaker 1: this like cave that was run by this like mob 709 00:44:44,805 --> 00:44:47,005 Speaker 1: boss and they had like all these bats of acid 710 00:44:47,085 --> 00:44:51,925 Speaker 1: just like on hand. So so they definitely did use that, 711 00:44:52,045 --> 00:44:55,405 Speaker 1: even though it took longer than fifteen to twenty minutes. Yeah, 712 00:44:55,405 --> 00:44:57,405 Speaker 1: that's why it's good to have like a little cave 713 00:44:57,525 --> 00:44:59,285 Speaker 1: that you can just let them sit. You know. They 714 00:44:59,285 --> 00:45:01,525 Speaker 1: were probably just saying that to be like, don't even 715 00:45:01,565 --> 00:45:05,845 Speaker 1: bother looking, because they dissolved in twenty minutes. So don't 716 00:45:05,885 --> 00:45:11,165 Speaker 1: even look, don't try are they're bad at time. Sometimes 717 00:45:11,245 --> 00:45:13,205 Speaker 1: I microwave things and I don't know for how long 718 00:45:13,245 --> 00:45:16,525 Speaker 1: to put them in. You know, it's the same thing, 719 00:45:17,485 --> 00:45:22,405 Speaker 1: the same same anyway, the chief scientist on this project, 720 00:45:23,765 --> 00:45:27,125 Speaker 1: he says that it is impossible to completely destroy corpse 721 00:45:27,165 --> 00:45:29,165 Speaker 1: with acid, So we can all carry that put that 722 00:45:29,285 --> 00:45:32,325 Speaker 1: on a pillow too, you know, absolutely well. I think 723 00:45:32,405 --> 00:45:35,925 Speaker 1: that goes back to the best option is burial at 724 00:45:35,965 --> 00:45:39,965 Speaker 1: sea to the sea, yeah, definitely, or dunk them an 725 00:45:40,005 --> 00:45:42,605 Speaker 1: acid for a little bit and then bury at sea 726 00:45:43,885 --> 00:45:47,485 Speaker 1: still combo. Or you could just really encourage them to 727 00:45:47,525 --> 00:45:52,445 Speaker 1: get into being an astronaut and just let them have 728 00:45:52,485 --> 00:45:55,045 Speaker 1: a successful career and then try to go up in 729 00:45:55,085 --> 00:46:03,485 Speaker 1: a space shuttle. Or don't murder people or anyway this 730 00:46:03,765 --> 00:46:08,965 Speaker 1: has been you know, another episode happened, great advice, but 731 00:46:09,325 --> 00:46:12,125 Speaker 1: as always, don't murder people. You know, that's what we're 732 00:46:12,125 --> 00:46:15,605 Speaker 1: trying to get at. That's the whole point of the show. Absolutely, 733 00:46:16,165 --> 00:46:21,685 Speaker 1: this show is very focused on honoring these people. Truly, 734 00:46:21,925 --> 00:46:25,765 Speaker 1: they were amazing and it's really sad and terrible what 735 00:46:25,805 --> 00:46:28,725 Speaker 1: happened to them. I'm glad we can share these stories. 736 00:46:29,925 --> 00:46:34,565 Speaker 1: Taylor Ernest moment. Yes, well, I was just I was 737 00:46:34,605 --> 00:46:37,405 Speaker 1: just thinking of the statistic that I saw recently. It 738 00:46:37,565 --> 00:46:41,005 Speaker 1: was like, the average person walks by at least sixteen 739 00:46:41,045 --> 00:46:46,005 Speaker 1: people who have murdered somebody in their lifetimes. Sixteen people 740 00:46:46,045 --> 00:46:49,205 Speaker 1: be murdering dude, it's bad. Well, maybe it'll be less 741 00:46:49,245 --> 00:46:52,085 Speaker 1: for us because we won't be like walking near people 742 00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:56,645 Speaker 1: in the next continuous amount of time. Yeah, we weren't 743 00:46:56,645 --> 00:47:00,085 Speaker 1: considering when I saw that, so I was just gonna say, 744 00:47:00,125 --> 00:47:02,085 Speaker 1: you don't know who's looking at you online though. That 745 00:47:02,125 --> 00:47:04,445 Speaker 1: freaks me out, but we can't do anything about that, 746 00:47:04,525 --> 00:47:09,765 Speaker 1: can we. Ha Anyway, some closing thoughts are you know 747 00:47:09,805 --> 00:47:12,765 Speaker 1: what space it's gonna be there? Elon Musk, I want 748 00:47:12,765 --> 00:47:15,565 Speaker 1: you to be careful with Grimes's heart and with the 749 00:47:15,645 --> 00:47:20,765 Speaker 1: Space program. And that's our show today. This is cadaver Gals. 750 00:47:20,925 --> 00:47:36,925 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. U kidaver Gals is a 751 00:47:36,965 --> 00:47:43,245 Speaker 1: production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio. The show is produced, recorded, written, 752 00:47:43,365 --> 00:47:50,405 Speaker 1: thought about, experienced, angsted over by Taylor Church, Nika Duarte 753 00:47:50,485 --> 00:47:54,645 Speaker 1: and me Gabby Watts. You can follow us on Instagram 754 00:47:54,685 --> 00:47:59,125 Speaker 1: and Twitter at Cadaver Gals. See you next time.