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Speaker 1: Interstate Batteries outrageously Dependable. My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm

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Speaker 1: the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also

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Speaker 1: but will also bring you into some of the wildest

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Speaker 1: country on the planet chasing Battery. I usually begin the

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Speaker 1: And so on this podcast with my friend Jonathan Wilkins,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear a very interesting conversation. Jonathan was raised

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Speaker 1: life when he moved to Arkansas. He had a non

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Speaker 1: traditional entry into the hunting space. We have a very

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Speaker 1: candid conversation about all his early experiences hunting, about race,

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Speaker 1: about a bunch of great stuff, and you're going to

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Speaker 1: enjoy this podcast, my friend Jonathan Wilkins of Black Duck Revival. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: As I record the intro to this podcast, we just

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Speaker 1: Check them out. So I am here in Northwest Arkansas

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Speaker 1: with my new buddy, Jonathan Wilkins. Jonathan and I are tired.

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Speaker 1: We're tired, aren't we, Jonathan, I'm a little warm. Damn you.

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Speaker 1: We've been at the World Championship Squirrel cook Off all

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Speaker 1: day long and you were you were a contestant. You

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Speaker 1: I was cooking. I did not get a gold medal,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I gave it a shot. Gave it a shot. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're doing a whole other podcast about the World Championship

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Speaker 1: Squirrel cook Off, but so tell us what tell me

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Speaker 1: they couldn't know. They couldn't. I've had so many people say, Clay,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Johnson and all that kind of stuff. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: it took a long time to learn how to blow

428
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: a call, because that's another thing. I didn't have anyone

429
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: to show me that stuff. Uh So it was just

430
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: constant trial and air and I was very bad for

431
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: several more than several years. And for a long time,

432
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: most of the ducks I killed didn't get called to.

433
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: I just have some decoys out there and try and hide,

434
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: and sometimes they'd come in a lot of times just

435
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: that first thirty minutes, uh, which they say everyone's a

436
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: duck killer the first thirty minutes because the light's bad

437
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: they can't see that good. Uh, but just slowly learning more.

438
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: Asking I asked people, how do you feel like you

439
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: as a as a caller today? I mean, just honestly,

440
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: are you a good caller? Proficient? Call are not average

441
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: or really good? I think that I think honestly, in

442
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: the last six months I probably moved a little past

443
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: proficiency in the pretty decent Like I blow a I

444
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 1: blow an old fifties cut down old which anyone who

445
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: blows a duck call, that's that's about as hard a

446
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: call to blow as you can get. It takes a

447
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of air and pressure, and like when I

448
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: first started blowing that, it would make me lightheaded and

449
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: I'd see stars like it. It's just a lot of

450
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: it's physical exertion. And then once you figure it out,

451
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: it's like anything else. You know, you can have a

452
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: little more finesse on it and be a little more dexterous.

453
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: But but that was that was an example there of

454
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: I just kept trying something that was really hard to

455
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: do and just kept being bad at it until one

456
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: day I wasn't and I was running around. I told

457
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: my wife, can you I just uh, I just uh,

458
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: I just did a rolling feet on this thing? Can

459
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: you believe it? She doesn't care, you know, but she

460
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: knew that it was important to me because I probably

461
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: had I bet you I had three hours blowing that

462
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: thing in my truck until I could the old call?

463
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Is it a better? Is there an advantage to be

464
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: able to blow that call if it's harder? I know,

465
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in most animal calling usually if there's a harder method,

466
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's better in some ways. I mean,

467
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: like a turkey diaphragm call, Like, yeah, you could use

468
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: a box caller, you could use a little push call.

469
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: But if you can call with a diaphragm, which is

470
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: much harder, you you're you're better caller. I mean, make

471
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: make better noises with it. You know it's okay. So

472
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: an old cut, cut down call is it's a it's

473
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: a call that's been modified. The tone board has been

474
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: usually filed with like a bastard file or a like

475
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: sandpaper basically, and it's something that developed very much here

476
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. And the reason is because Arkansas is known

477
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: for hunting timber. California, Virginia a lot of places they

478
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: hunt these open marsh lands, sound travels much better. I'm

479
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: trying to hunt in flooded timber. There's tree tops early season,

480
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: there's leaves, an old, an old cut down old will

481
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: get incredibly loud and it will cut through that. That's

482
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: the advantage of it, and especially on public land when

483
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: you're competing with a bunch of other people calling if

484
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: you can call louder I mean, because you gotta think

485
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: about this, a duck if you drive down the road

486
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: at six and you stick your head out the window,

487
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: that's what a duck hears all the time. So you're

488
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: just trying to get them to hear a little bit

489
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: of it a lot of times, just a cluck or

490
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of that quack, to turn their head

491
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: to pay attention to your decoys, and then try and

492
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: start convincing them to work down in there. So that's

493
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: that's the advantage of the loudness of it. It's the

494
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: loudness also the rasp Uh, A cutdown call is it's

495
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: just like people's voices. Uh. It's a really raspy kind

496
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: of ratily call. It has a lot of bottom ends.

497
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: You'll hear people talk about that they're talking about kind

498
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: of the low tone of it, the base, and that

499
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: deep bass sound travels through the air much better than

500
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: a high sound. So like in a perfect example of

501
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: that is elephants. You know, elephants will do this very low,

502
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: very low kind of sub sonic rumbling and it can

503
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: be heard for miles and miles for by other elephants.

504
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: And it's because that low tone will just cut through

505
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: the air better. That's interesting. So tell me about tell

506
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: me about your your duck club or your your your Yeah,

507
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: So that started with I was driving around. You know,

508
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: it was an hour and a half drive from my house,

509
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: and I was driving it sometimes seven days in a row,

510
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and then turning around and driving back, getting up at

511
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: two in the morning. The Arkansas Delta is a very

512
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: economically depressed place. Industry has gone farming his change. You know,

513
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: uh two acre farm that used to take twelve guys

514
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: to work takes one guy in a combine now. So

515
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: it's very economically depressed. And that means that just real

516
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: estate prices aren't what they would be otherwise. So I

517
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: was trying to find just a little rats nest that

518
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: I could get for cheap, that I could stay in

519
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: and not have to travel so much. And what I

520
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: ended up buying was an old church, and I thought

521
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I was just gonna do excuse me, I thought I

522
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: was gonna do like a superficial revamp on it. But

523
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: that was because I didn't know what I was doing.

524
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 1: And it was a complete gut job, like I had

525
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: to take every floor joy style, like basically the only

526
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: things original and the exterior walls, and that I was

527
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: having to justify the expenditure because I got to a

528
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: point where I was like, I've either got a just

529
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: lose this money and move on, or I've got to

530
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: try and make this something. And I just to trying

531
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: to make it something. And so I built it into

532
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: something that I would want to go to, a place

533
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: that would be really utilitarian but comfortable and you know,

534
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: hopefully attractive. You had a place to put your boat,

535
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: you could have your dogs there, They had kennels, had mudrooms,

536
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: just everything you would want. And if no one's there,

537
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I hunt out of it. But then I rented out

538
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: to other d I y hunters who want to come.

539
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: It's a really great place for like four or five

540
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: or six buddies to get there, and you don't have

541
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: to stay in a little hotel room. But you also

542
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: don't have to pay five dollars a night to stay

543
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: at a really fancy duck ludge. You can, uh, you

544
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: can come there. You can bring your wives, your kids.

545
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I got a lot of people to do that. They

546
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: hunt for the weekend or for the week There's White River,

547
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Cash River, tons of w M A s by you

548
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: to view row By you stuck guards forty thirty five

549
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: minutes away. It's in the heart of the the premier

550
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: green timber duck hunting on the planet. And so yeah,

551
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 1: I just kind of developed into that, and uh, then

552
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: I ended up buying the house next to it was

553
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: an old fur trapper and fur buyer's house, and I

554
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: ended up buying that, and I just finished the revamp

555
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: on that and I started renting it out for this season,

556
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: and so I kind of ended up with this corner

557
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of town, in the middle of brink. Yeah,

558
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: some of the best coming in the world right on, Man,

559
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: what tell me the name of it? I know that

560
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I want you to say. That's what we called Black

561
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: Duck Revival, Black Duck Revival. And yesterday I tried to

562
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: guess why you call it black duck, and I struck

563
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: out on the first guess. So this name has some significance.

564
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: So tell me about black duck revival. So obviously this

565
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: was like this was an old country delta church, very traditional.

566
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: Uh goes along with that, that idea of having revivals.

567
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: So there's a reference to that. The black duck is

568
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: a reference in the Mississippi flyway that a black duck

569
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: is a very prized uh duck would be like killing

570
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: a black duck would be like killing a white tail. See.

571
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: And that's where I was confused, because I thought a

572
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: black duck was a trash duck. Duck, Yeah, you were.

573
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: You were thinking about a black duck actually being black colored,

574
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: which is not the case. A black duck looks like

575
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: a slightly darker him. But did they not call them

576
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: black ducks? I mean, I've duck kind of a little

577
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing ducks flying over big kind of

578
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: long neck ducks, kind of thick. They didn't flap their

579
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: wings quite as fast, and I you know, you know,

580
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: i'd be like, there's some ducks and maybe like those

581
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: are black ducks. I mean, those could be it was

582
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: like coots or something. Yeah, I mean coots merganser's scops,

583
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: but they weren't interested in them. But you're telling me

584
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: that that black duck is like something special. Oh yeah,

585
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: in the Mississippi flyaway, absolutely, that's an Atlantic flyway bird.

586
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: It'd be like it'd be like, so they're just not

587
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be here. They will be here now. They

588
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: will interbreed with mallards and sometimes they'll get they'll just

589
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: be one that's loss and he's with mallard. But it

590
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: almost be like, uh, if you were hunting up in

591
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: the Ozarks and you saw a prong horner or something,

592
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: is that right? Like I know guys that have duck

593
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: hunting for forty years and they would never killed a

594
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: black duck. Well, I like the I like the branding

595
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: and imagery of that revival because of this refurbished church.

596
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit of the history about that church.

597
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: You told me yesterday something that was kind of cool. Well,

598
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: you just you just said you said that this church

599
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: just hung on, And it kind of to me when

600
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: you told that, it was reflective of of what I've

601
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: seen and what I know and what you just said

602
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: about the Delta. I mean, the Delta is one of

603
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the most probably economically depressed places in the country. Am

604
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I am? I right? And so there's Arkansas Delta and

605
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: it would probably be in the Mississippi Delta and stuff.

606
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean, these are some of the most I mean,

607
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 1: to be honest, the poorest places in America that are

608
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: there's people, there's people in the Delta areas of arc

609
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: it'saw in Mississippi that legitimately might not have uh might

610
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: not have floors in their house. I mean, it's incredible.

611
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that's everybody, but it's just there's

612
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: no industry, there's no jobs there. I mean, you might

613
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: have a fast food restaurant and an agg store and

614
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: a dollar store, but there's just nothing left. I think

615
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Brinkley graduates like kids a year. Now, see this was

616
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: all this is all like so people hear me talking

617
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: about the mountains of Arkansas. Obviously, so Arkansas. If if

618
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Arkansas were a square, which is not really a square,

619
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: and if and if there was a line drawn from

620
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: the northeast corner of that square to the southwest corner

621
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: of that square, the northwest half, you know, the upper

622
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: left half of that triangle would be kind of the

623
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: mountainous regions of Arkansas, the wash Tols and Ozarks. We

624
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: didn't have any agriculture to speak of them. It's all

625
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: just forested rough ground land sat the the other triangle,

626
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: half of that square would have been Mississippi Delta swamp land.

627
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: Stuff that was cleared, Timber was cleared, and they made

628
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: agg fields out of it. So I mean, like massively

629
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: agricultural area changed, completely changed the landscape over a hundred

630
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: and fifty years. I mean this was these were like

631
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: the big woods is what they called the stuff around Brinkley.

632
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: And these are enormous cypress swamps, Tupelo swamps. You know,

633
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: there's hardwood bottoms in there. Uh. And part of the

634
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: reason it's great for agricultures because you had this system

635
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: of thousands and thousands of years of decayed vegetative matter

636
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: building up this really rich soil. You also had a

637
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: substrate under that that was largely clay, so it held water,

638
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: which is so the thing that made it a great

639
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: swamp once it was cleared is a thing that turned

640
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: it into a great place to uh grow rice. So

641
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I know I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean it's

642
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, you're putting that water on

643
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: the fields and it's holding it. Yeah, because rice has

644
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: that they have to flood these fields. Yeah. You know,

645
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: in in college, I learned about the Grand Grand Prairie aquifer.

646
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: So the Grand Prairie aquifer if you look at these

647
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: underground water maps hydraulic maps, so they have them everywhere,

648
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: I assume, but the ones in Arkansas. One of the

649
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: largest underwater aquifers I'm just gonna say in the southern

650
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: United States, and it could have even been in North

651
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: America was a Grand Prairie aquifer which is right in

652
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: the delta of Arkansas. And so for a hundred and

653
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: fifty years they farmers were able to flood rice fields

654
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: by just drilling down, put a well end drilled down

655
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: a hundred feet and they have unlimited water pumping out

656
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: at a hundred gallons a minute or something. In anyway,

657
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago when I was in college,

658
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: there was they were talking about the depletion of the

659
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: Grand parreographer, which I assume, which I assume is still

660
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: happening even more because I was fifteen years ago. But

661
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: and they they've they've had to mitigate. Anyway, it's it's

662
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: caused some issues because they got to drill down way

663
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: deeper than they used to to get this water. Anyway,

664
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: that's a whole another story. But you just taught me

665
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: something about the swamps. Yeah, I mean that's why, that's

666
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: why it works. And you know, and that leads to

667
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: stuck guard getting planted in Rice in nineteen o one

668
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: when it started, and that that goes to migration patterns

669
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: for ducks changing, and then this whole culture, of this

670
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: whole culture of hunting ducks in flooded Rice in Arkansas

671
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: had hold that exact thought about the flyaway patterns, and

672
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to go back. I jumped ahead of it,

673
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: and I do this all the time. Black Duck Revival.

674
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: So the revival I got with the church black duck.

675
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Why the black duck, Well, like I said, because it's

676
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just something special. Yeah, it's the

677
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: special unique kind of like the holy grail of duck hunting.

678
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: And then and then also it's tongue in cheek, you know,

679
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: like I'm a black guy, and uh, I wanted to

680
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: focus on part of part of my business model is

681
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: trying to expose non traditional hunters two hunting, because there's

682
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: a lot you asked me earlier what were some of

683
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: the difficulties in it. And honestly, the biggest difficulty in

684
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: it for me learning was that it was something that

685
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: society did not show that it did not There wasn't

686
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: a lot of documentation of people who looked like me

687
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: doing it, and it it makes you feel like it's

688
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: not a place for you. Uh. You know, people lead

689
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: they they lead lives that are oftentimes based on the

690
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: examples of others, um and that are doing that, Yeah,

691
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: that are doing or that they can identify with on

692
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: some level, you know, And I think that, I mean

693
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: that could you could say that about you know, African

694
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Americans and hunt and you can say about women and hunting,

695
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean anything. Uh, but but like what kind of

696
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: what we talked about yesterday's you know, African Americans until

697
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: the great migrations that occurred, like you know, at the

698
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: turn of the century, when droves of black people went

699
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: from the rule parts of the South to places like St.

700
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Louis and Indianapolis and Chicago and up to you know,

701
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Boston and Baltimore and stuff like that, because it was

702
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: just a it was a crippling, hostile environment, so they

703
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: moved places where they weren't under thread of as much

704
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: physical danger in places where it was easier to make

705
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: a life, and what happened when when that happened. One

706
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: of the results was that you took a population of

707
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: people that was almost entirely rule and you made them

708
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: almost entirely urban. And then four or five generations later,

709
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: you have this narrative that black people don't hunt, you know,

710
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: like maybe something black people fish, but black people don't

711
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: really hunt, And that's not the that's not the case.

712
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: It's actually much more complicated than that. Uh. I've looked

713
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: into some of the the numbers of like how many

714
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: licenses in Arkansas they they track the race of people

715
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: buying hunting and fishing licenses. Is that information that's successiful?

716
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah you couldn't. I mean, if you, uh, you might

717
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: have to foy it. But yeah, it's totally available. I

718
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: don't know them off the top of my head. I

719
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: do know. I mean, I haven't looked at it in

720
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years. It's a lot more people than

721
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: you would think. And what I found out just this

722
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: is anecdotal, but what I found out is that there's

723
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: lots of black folks. I'm talking specifically about African Americans.

724
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: But there's lots of black folks in Arkansas that hunt.

725
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: But there is still Frankly, there's a fear amongst a

726
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: lot of African Americans about being in the woods, you know,

727
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: with with folks they might feel are you know, ellen

728
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: tended or hostile towards them. So I think a lot

729
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: of black folks hunt still, like even here in Arkansas.

730
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Like like ah, now I can see some like an

731
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: urban somebody in an urban place that wasn't familiar with

732
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: arc with with anywhere, like having that. I've actually encountered

733
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: one of my friends that was from Chicago. He lives

734
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: in Arkansas for a while, he was terrified to drive

735
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: after dark to my house. I mean that was bizarre

736
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: to me. I was very afraid when I moved down here.

737
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: I was, I was very afraid. Was that taught to you? Uh?

738
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean when? And when I say taught, I mean like, like,

739
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: is that like something in the culture. I think it's

740
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: I think it's partly gonna be just something that's like

741
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: out there in the zeitgeist, like you know, seeing stuff

742
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: on TV or TV or whatever. But I mean it

743
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: does it come from experiences like and I'll give you

744
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: a very I'll give you a very pointed one. I'd

745
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: say that the vast, vast, vast majority of my outdoor

746
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: experiences have been very positive. But I can tell you

747
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: that the the few times that i've after the initial

748
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: after the initial time or two of me going out

749
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: duck hunting, the few times that I've taken in the

750
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: taking up someone on an invitation to go duck hunting,

751
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: I've heard like a vitriolic racial slur while duck hunting. Oh,

752
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they dropped the inn word on you.

753
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: And I remember one time, you know, because I'm not

754
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: like like guys that are like like really being where

755
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: obviously if they're saying that they're being ugly, yeah, or

756
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: did they think it's like playful or something. I think

757
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: I remember specifically one time there were guys already in

758
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the whole. Me and a dude, a buddy of mine.

759
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: We got there late and someone came and picked us

760
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: up in the boat of the ramp and we went

761
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: out there. It was like twenty degrees. It was freezing,

762
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: So I had a face mask on and I'm not

763
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: incredibly dark complexed, it was still dark, and uh yeah,

764
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: old fella just he didn't know I was a black guy,

765
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: so he just started throwing it around, just talking, you know.

766
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: Or I'm sitting in a blind with a guy and

767
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: he starts dropping it and what it What I realized

768
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: was that I don't think they were I don't think

769
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: they were like I want to hurt or offend this guy.

770
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: I think that they just say it so much it

771
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: didn't even occur to them that that it would be

772
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: offensive to somebody. But I don't want to I mean,

773
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to harp on that too much. But

774
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, truthfully, there is but there there's truth to

775
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying, is that there's there's reason for that. Yeah,

776
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: there's a reason to be unnerved. Maybe, And and you

777
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: gotta think too. In Arkansas. Uh, Like, I'm the only

778
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: one at boat ramps I've never seen I've never seen

779
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: anyone darker than cat get a boat ram ever, you know. Uh,

780
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I've the only time I've even seen black people hunting

781
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: is black guys in the Delta running dogs. Because there's

782
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: a very strong history of houndsmanship among African Americans, and

783
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: that's traced all the way back to slavery. Uh yeah,

784
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean duck hunting. There's it's few and far between.

785
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of black deer hunters. There's a lot

786
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: of black fishermen, there's a lot of black small game hunters.

787
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: But the point that I was making is that I

788
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a comfort thing with a lot

789
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: of folks, and so they're hunting, but they're hunting kind

790
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: of in a cloistered way, you know. Like I've met

791
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: dudes that have like in a like just like the

792
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: hunt on family land, or they got a deer camp

793
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: down you know, Uh, you know the timber companies down south.

794
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: But it's just all like them and their cousin and

795
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: their uncle and guy to go to church with, you

796
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Uh, it's it's it's a reality

797
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: that Uh it's unfortunate, but it's it's something I feel

798
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: like I can have. I can have some positive impact

799
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: on by just you know, maybe maybe this guy he

800
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: just needs to be introduced to it and I can say,

801
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: look here, dude, like you and me are coming from

802
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: similar positions. I'm telling you it's out there for us

803
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: to get to I'm out there doing it. Uh. And

804
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: that goes back to my idea about like the American dream. Uh.

805
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: I pay my taxes. You know, I'm I deserve to

806
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: be able to access anything that is publicly accessible. Uh

807
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna do anything fool hardy because I

808
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: I've got a wife and children I've gotta go back to.

809
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna tell someone. I'm not gonna allow

810
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: someone to tell me that I can't go and hunt

811
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: a piece of public ground just because they feel like

812
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: someone like that looks like me shouldn't be able to

813
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: do it, you know. Now, But now, I've never had

814
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: anyone say that to me. I'm just saying like or

815
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: or here's a perfect example, you know, Like the first

816
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: one of the first things I ever heard when I

817
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: moved to Arkansas was there was a music festival up

818
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: in Newton County when I was at college, and these

819
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: folks look, dude, you can't go up there. They're like

820
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: the grand dragon of the kut Lux Klan lives up there,

821
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: which is what's the case. I don't think I think

822
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: he formerly held that position, but but you know, a

823
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna hear that, and they're not

824
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: gonna go into that chunk of Arkansas, you know what

825
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean. So there's just like this, Yeah, it's almost

826
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: like a well, yeah, like, yeah, I see the barriers there. Dude.

827
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: I told a dude one time, I said, let me

828
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: ask you this. Imagine a very rule kind of monolithic

829
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: town in Arkans So there's a million and five people

830
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: or something like that. I said, Uh, this was a

831
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: Caucasian guy. I was like, you want to go duck hunting,

832
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: but you had to you had a roll into Compton

833
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning by yourself, Like, you

834
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: would probably feel uncomfortable because you would very it would

835
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: be very easy to tell that you weren't from there.

836
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Being an outsider is uncomfortable to human beings, you know,

837
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: So I like, it's uh, And I'm not saying that

838
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: just because you went to Compton you would be in

839
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: danger or something like that. I'm just saying that it's

840
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: people want to be comfortable and and I think that's

841
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: the biggest barrier to getting non traditional hunters into it,

842
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: is they've they've gotta you know, regardless of race or

843
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: color or anything. Being an outsider being uncomfortable. Yeah, that's

844
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: that's a massive social challenge for anybody. Just coming from

845
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: a very urban environment is enough of a challenge when

846
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: you start putting other stuff on it, So then you

847
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: put being a woman on it, then put being a

848
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: woman of color. There's all these things, and it's not

849
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: that people cannot overcome those things. It's just that human

850
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: beings are really good at wallowing out a small comfortable

851
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: spot for themselves and then not wanting to to expand

852
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: past that. Man, just knowing you just for a few well,

853
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: not knowing you real well, that was something. I mean,

854
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: You're you're really good at pushing outside of your comfort zone.

855
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just even coming up here to the Squirrel

856
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: Squirrel cook Off, I mean, just hey, we're gonna go

857
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: compete and the scull cook Off. We brought your whole

858
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: family up here. I mean anybody would I mean that

859
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: that would be intimidating to anybody really probably just you're

860
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: not afraid to do new stuff. I mean, I'll tell

861
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: you what I think. I'm probably the only one who

862
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: did it solo. Everyone else had teams. I did the

863
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: only thing solo, you know. But it's because and an

864
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: older guy that I'm friends with told me that. He's

865
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: told me. He said very pointally, he said, there's never

866
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: been anything I couldn't do. It might take me a

867
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: long time and we were talking about hunting in the

868
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: national force. He's like, there's never been anything. He's like,

869
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: if you killed a five pound black bearer back there,

870
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: you could get it out. You might be dead, dug tired,

871
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: and it might be four in the morning before you

872
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: back at your truck. He's like, but you can get

873
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: it out if you just you have to have that

874
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: mindset if you want, if you want to live anything

875
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: other than an ordinary life, if you want an easy,

876
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: ordinary life, you're gonna do easy ordinary things and you're

877
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: gonna have easy ordinary experiences. If you want more out

878
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: of it, then you have to put more into it.

879
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: And there's never been growth of any human being that

880
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: didn't involve discomfort. It's it's a necessary it's a necessary

881
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: thing to grow. Yeah, it's like lifting weights. You have

882
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable to push yourself past that level. But

883
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: then you keep referencing what was before and you see

884
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: how how far you've come, and that give you a

885
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: little bit of fuel to try and go to that

886
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: next step. All right, man, that's awesome. I really like

887
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: what you're doing in terms of and again, and it's

888
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: it's not even just about African Americans. It's about it's

889
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: about anybody that's not in this space easily, yeah, coming

890
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: into it, just overcoming the whatever difficulty it would be

891
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: because you're You're absolutely right. I mean, it's like, man,

892
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: it really is our right to be hunters in in

893
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: this country any way. I mean, it's it's you know,

894
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: the public land, the wildlife resource that's owned by the people,

895
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: the history of this country in terms of providing wild

896
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: game for our families and sustainable ways. I mean, it's

897
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: just such a beautiful, awesome thing. Uh. To deprive people

898
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: of that because of these like what we've been talking

899
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: about is bizarre and and crazy. Yeah, and I think

900
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: it also. I mean this is stuff I love to

901
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: wax poetic about because I'm real big into like ethos

902
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: and pedagogy. So I don't know that second word. I

903
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: learned it. I've been using it recently because I learned

904
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: it from my wife about a month ago. But it's

905
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: it's it just kind of it's a more specific way

906
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: to say ethos or your underlying ideals behind something. But

907
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm big on being part of a human continuum. And

908
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: like I was telling you yesterday about when I was

909
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: scouting for bears, and I was up on that limestone

910
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: ridge and I climbed up on that ridge because there

911
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: was just something in me and I would have felt

912
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: that way if I was five years old that said

913
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: get up on top of that thing. That's the high thing.

914
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Climb up on top of that. And then I was

915
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: looking out over all this national forest and I thought

916
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: about the fact a thousand years ago, some guy wearing

917
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: buckskin did the same thing. I don't know who he was,

918
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know when he did it, but I know

919
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: somebody did it, you know, and someone did it a

920
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: hundred years ago. It's the same thing with uh, you know,

921
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: running trot lines or bow hunting deer or running a

922
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: coon dog. You're you're immersing yourself in a human experience

923
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: that's richer and bigger than you are, and you'll you'll

924
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: contribute to it, and then people after you that you

925
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, some guy two hundred years ago

926
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: that came over here from England and then was on

927
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: the lamb in New York and ended up in Arkansas

928
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: that was out in the woods would have no frame

929
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: of reference for some weirdo like me that I'd be

930
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: doing the same thing to your years later, but like

931
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: we're connected now, We're connected on a very human level. Absolutely,

932
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: and uh yeah it's I'm I'm looking. I'm real big

933
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: on doing for yourself and self reliance. But everybody needs help.

934
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean everybody needs help. You know, your dad showed

935
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: you how to hunt. You know. I'm sure you have

936
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: bad days where you just you know, tell your wife,

937
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm having a horrible day, you know, and

938
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: you can get recharged and helped along because of your

939
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: wife or your family or whatever. No one's in this alone.

940
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: So if I can, if I can help contribute to

941
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: that continuum by even if just by an example of

942
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 1: someone saying, hey, I've got something in common with that guy,

943
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe I could try that. Uh, or let me holler

944
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: at this guy and see if you would, if you

945
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: would take me, let me tag along with him. Uh.

946
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: That can do a lot. And you know, on an

947
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: other on a bigger, more noble note too, what you

948
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: start doing is you start building relationships with people that

949
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: are uh, that are different than you uh, and you

950
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: start you start focusing more on similarities between people and differences.

951
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: You know, like I can have different political beliefs from people.

952
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: I can have different, uh, goals in my life as

953
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: far as professional. I can have different ideas about how

954
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: I want to raise my children, but I can connect

955
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: with a person, Like if I see a guy that's

956
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: real loving to his children, I feel like I've got

957
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: a connection with him, you know, if I see, like

958
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I told you yesterday, I heard you say something real

959
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: complimentary about your wife on a on a podcast one time,

960
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: and I felt a connection with you because I respected

961
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: it so much, because it seems like a lot of

962
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: guys feel like it's cool to to speak derisively about

963
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: their wives, you know, Like, and the way I think

964
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: about my wife this is this is a human being

965
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: that I value above all others. And I stood up

966
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: in front of every I know and told her that. Uh.

967
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: And so you start, you start drawing connections with people

968
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: like you scored me some big bonus points by saying that.

969
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: To my wife, I'm glad man for real. She said,

970
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: we got the car. She said, when did you say that?

971
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: I was brilliant? And I said, oh, I say that

972
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: all the time. That's but you know what people need

973
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: to People do need to hear that, Like people that

974
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: are important to you need to hear not just you saying, oh,

975
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: I love you. But I mean if you speak, if

976
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: you're taking the time to speak highly about someone that

977
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: you care about to other people, you really mean it. Man.

978
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: There's a good old boy culture and it's it's very

979
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: alive in the South. Maybe it's alive everywhere, but where

980
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: people that they you know, all the old ball and

981
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: chain to stay stuff like that. I never say stupid

982
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, you know what I'm saying. Yea, yeah,

983
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: I appreciated that you recognize that. Yesterday when you said

984
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: that that, my wife actually said he's a good guy,

985
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, I said, I mean you can

986
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: tell a lot about him and by the way he

987
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: treats us wife, by the way he talks about her,

988
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: by the way thinks about her. Because just what you said,

989
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if this person is the person that you

990
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: have committed your life before God and family and that

991
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: you have chosen to you know, I mean, you better

992
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: talk good about her and and treat her that way.

993
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: And and you know this this all does to me,

994
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: It wraps itself up kind of in a tidy package,

995
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: because like you met my daughters today, like I have

996
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,959
Speaker 1: two little girls. Really, the way they're gonna learn how

997
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: they should be, how how they should expect to be

998
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: treated by a partner is what they see from the

999
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: way that me and their mother interact. And so I've

1000
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: got to having those having my children really put my

1001
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: head that I want them to have the best example

1002
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: possible so they can make good choices later in life.

1003
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: And the requirement for that is for me to be

1004
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: better than I am currently, you know. So I'm really

1005
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: focused on trying, like with trying to build this business

1006
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: and trying to build this burn and it's difficult, it's

1007
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: very unsure a lot of the times. Uh, I am optimistic,

1008
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'll be able to, you know,

1009
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: make a life for myself and my family. But even

1010
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: if I fail at it and I've got to go

1011
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: dig ditches, my girls are gonna they're gonna get something

1012
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: out of scene that they have a father who's willing

1013
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: to try and willing to fail and then get back

1014
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: up and keep going and not give up. And that

1015
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: that works for business, that works for a relationship, that

1016
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: works for hunting. If you can take that kind of

1017
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: mindset into all these things, then a lot of these

1018
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: this other these distractions that we were talking about race, gender,

1019
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: political affiliation, all that stuff. Those things are important and

1020
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 1: they're they're identifiers for humans. But I have found very

1021
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: few people that on an individual basis, I can't find

1022
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: something in common with and we can't develop some sort

1023
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: of rapport. It's always the problems always occur when you

1024
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: get into bigger groups and people start consciously or unconsciously

1025
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: worried about how they're perceived by others, you know, which

1026
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like I'm immune to that, but uh,

1027
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: and you know, like with duck hunting has been a

1028
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: big thing, Like I was very cognizant in the fact

1029
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: that I stuck out. I was like this weird looking

1030
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: black guy that wasn't good at duck hunting, you know.

1031
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truth. I couldn't blow a duck call.

1032
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't identify birds when they were flying for a

1033
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: long time. Uh. And I got better at it because

1034
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: I kept trying and I kept immersing myself in it.

1035
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: And I'd hazard to say that I'm better at it

1036
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: than got some guys who have been doing it for

1037
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: twenty years now, not everybody, but I've put a lot

1038
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: into it too. Uh. But I mean, yeah, i'd say

1039
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: that probably aside from my children being born in the

1040
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: last couple of years, that getting to the point where

1041
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 1: I could blow a duck call uh competently, I felt

1042
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: like that was a real achieved it because there was

1043
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: nothing in any of my experience that said I should

1044
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: be able to get to that point, and so I

1045
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: just picked the hardest way to do it. And it

1046
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: took me a real long time, but I finally did it.

1047
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: And it was mostly just driving. Really, it was driving

1048
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: back and forth to Brinkley. It's an hour and fifteen

1049
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: minutes each way, just blowing that old all day long

1050
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: until finally I trained. I trained your tongue as a muscle.

1051
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: I had to train that muscle to do some stuff

1052
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: and I've never done before. Mhm, man, that's good stuff.

1053
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: That's good stuff, very good stuff. Wow. Well, So Black

1054
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: Duck Revival people could come and rent your place down

1055
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: to Brinkley. Yeah, I'll point you. I'll try and point

1056
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: you in the right direction as far as public land. Like,

1057
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna necessarily give you all my holes, but

1058
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: I'll I won't be stingy with it. If you want

1059
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: to talk about it, we sit down in front. I've

1060
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: got the hallway when you walk in a lacked up

1061
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: you walk in and there's like a long hallway and

1062
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: then it opens up to a big great room. The

1063
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: kitchen and the living room were all together, but though

1064
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: that hallway is lined with big Google Earth maps of

1065
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: all the public ground around there. And so I'll if

1066
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: i'm working up there, I'm hunting or something, and I

1067
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: meet the guys when they come in. We'll sit there

1068
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes and I'll say, look, you can put

1069
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: it in this boat ramp and check the water gauge.

1070
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: If the water gauges at this, you can get back

1071
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: past here and then look around back there, and you

1072
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: gotta be able to find something. How long have you

1073
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: had Black Duck or the lodge? I opened it. I

1074
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: think I was down on the wire, So I think

1075
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: I opened it in October of last year. I've had

1076
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: one season and then I just opened up. How many

1077
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: place hunters could you hold in both camps? So in

1078
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: in the old church h you can do up to

1079
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: eight comfortably, and in the bungalow you can do five comfortably.

1080
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to do and we sort of a

1081
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: little bit talked about this. Maybe we ought to do

1082
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: a like a youth duck hunt down there that we like,

1083
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: like like said, okay, there's ten spots. Me and my

1084
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: son come and say there's or how many spots would

1085
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: there be between both places? Eight? And so say, okay,

1086
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: there's thirteen spots. And we talked about youth season just

1087
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: because youth season in Arkansas is pretty good usually, am

1088
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: I right? Well, you know it's it's just a lot

1089
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: less competition. Yeah, and especially there's a later youth season

1090
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: after duck seasons over. It's like the first week in

1091
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: February and then you've had ducks. They're coming back after that, right, well, no,

1092
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: you're still gonna have ducks that are working their way

1093
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: south in the most can be pretty good though, Well

1094
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: what it is you got all the yahoo's out of

1095
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: the woods? Yeah, you know, And so I mean duck

1096
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: hunting public public duck hunting is has a lot to

1097
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: do with the pressure. There's a lot more pressure now

1098
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: than there used to be. Like in the eight duck

1099
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: hunting in Arkansas was completely different in two thousand nineteen

1100
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: than it wasn't eight five. Like the tornadoes of ducks

1101
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: that some of those guys could work in the eighties,

1102
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll never see anything like it in my life. There's

1103
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: I've seen videos and you know, from when I was

1104
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: four years old, then pulling five mallards through the three times,

1105
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: I've never experience. Oh look, I'm chasing the times that

1106
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: I've seen twenty five ducks do it. That's it's like

1107
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, people, I'm not in the Gulf, but people

1108
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: say like one good round will keep you going back.

1109
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm chasing the time I worked twenty five ducks

1110
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: through the timber. And I'm telling you, you keep trying

1111
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: and trying and trying. You're bad at it. And then

1112
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: one day you convince twenty five mallards to come down

1113
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: through those tree tops and they're like hitting branches on

1114
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: the way down, and and you're watching them and they'll

1115
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: splash down right in the deeks, right in front of you.

1116
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you shoot one. It's it's you

1117
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: did something. Yeah, you know it's it's it's I'm telling you, man,

1118
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: it like wells you up with pride. I haven't cried

1119
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: doing it, but I could see it at some point.

1120
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Just if I saw five hundred, I'd probably get a

1121
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: tear in mine. It's I mean, it really is. It's

1122
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: one of the most majestic things I've ever seen. I

1123
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: really do. I I get it, you know. I mean,

1124
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a duck hunter. I know people are surprised

1125
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: when they hear them from Arkansas and don't duck hunt,

1126
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: But I mean the mountains of Arkansas, we don't have

1127
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: any flyaway, you know. And over there, well, it's also

1128
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: completely it's a completely different culture. Like that guy Orally

1129
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: that you interviewed, like he grew up in a completely

1130
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: different culture. Now he might he might have grown up

1131
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: you know what we would consider poor. And some guy

1132
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: in the Delta grew up with very little, uh, very

1133
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: little money as well. But the cultures are are very different.

1134
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I think there's a lot of similarities

1135
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: in those things. Folks in the Delta, folks in the Mountain,

1136
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: they have made they've made a living, may you know,

1137
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: living like it takes up. I heard a guys say

1138
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: one time about you know where star City is. He said, man,

1139
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 1: it takes a big hammer to pound out a living

1140
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: in star City, you know, And it's that kind of idea.

1141
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: But that guy or Leave, he said, oh, we always

1142
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: had plenty to eat. His expectations were different. His expectations

1143
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: about what work was was different. Uh there's I think

1144
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of similarity in that. And I even

1145
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: told you that I think in a lot of ways.

1146
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, the mountains of the western Arkansas are kind

1147
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: of the inverse of the bottom land in the U

1148
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: in the east. It's ah, they're to me, they're both

1149
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: mesmerizing and like just a little bits just spooky enough

1150
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: to keep it interesting, you know. Yeah, well maybe, uh yeah,

1151
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: I would. My boys wanted duck hunt, like for real, man,

1152
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: that dude, you guys on a couple of youth duck

1153
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: hunts the last couple of years and we haven't done

1154
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: it just you know, something just every time. But if

1155
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: we really had a reason to duck hunt, So maybe

1156
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: if maybe, if we could formulate something and and uh

1157
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: fill up your camp for a weekend, that'd be pretty good.

1158
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: Do we could do it? And I would, I would

1159
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: say too. I'm I'm all about like early success for

1160
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: people trying you know, fishing, a kid fishing or someone hunting,

1161
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: so it keeps them into it. But with that duck hunting,

1162
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to get those kids in the timber. It's

1163
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: it's a completely foreign environment, like you're you're standing on

1164
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: ground that the month before was totally dry land and

1165
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: squirrels and deer were running around it, and now it's

1166
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: become this weird conglomeration of places. You know, there's beavers.

1167
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: It's it's like being on a different planet. To me,

1168
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: it is, i mean, put it on waiters and walking.

1169
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna walk out there. I mean that's like,

1170
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, like we're looking at this. I'm like, in

1171
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: the mountains, we don't go in mud holes like that. Yeah, No,

1172
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: you go in and look. You have to. You have

1173
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: to pay attention. Stuff can go wrong. I mean, you

1174
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: can mitigate a lot of that, but you have to.

1175
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: You have to pay attention. You have to be safe. Uh.

1176
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: But then you know a lot of stuff that you're

1177
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: into goes along with it. The dog culture, you know,

1178
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: the idea of having that partnership with an animal, something

1179
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: like my dog, Ammo. He's probably one of the greatest

1180
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: things ever happened to me, you know, the experiences I've

1181
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: had with him. And I've always said this, I'd rather

1182
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: go and kill two ducks and have Ammo pick him up,

1183
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: then I would rather do that by myself. I duck

1184
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: come by myself most of the time, you know. Uh,

1185
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: it can be a really fun group activity, but it's

1186
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: to me, it's so special that a lot of times

1187
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: I want to kind of keep it as a a

1188
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: reverent moment. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's that special

1189
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: to me. And and it's that special to me whether

1190
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: or not I kill birds or not, yeah, because because

1191
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: and whenever I do have success with it, it's super

1192
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: special with me because like, no one did that for me.

1193
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: No one handed me those birds, you know, I did

1194
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: that myself. And then my dog, who's just I think,

1195
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: is you know, the best thing on four ft. He

1196
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: goes and gets it for me, and we hang out

1197
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: and he falls asleep with his head on the head

1198
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: rest in the truck, you know, and go get a

1199
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: sauce biscuit. Man. It's it is. It's the most this

1200
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about, you know, hunting and fishing, the

1201
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: outdoors and family, those are the those are the times

1202
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: when I'm most content. I feel like I'm kind of

1203
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: a frenetic person, Like my mind goes a lot. I

1204
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: get socially anxious a lot. Uh. My wife says that

1205
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: to me all the time, Like every time we go

1206
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: to like a dinner party or something, I come back.

1207
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: Hold on, I talk too much, I take that person

1208
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: off whatever. But you know, getting when I was scouting

1209
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: in the mountains the other day, Uh, I realized, I said,

1210
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: man I. I got back to the truck and said, man,

1211
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about anything other than where I was

1212
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: putting my feet and the trees and the land around me.

1213
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: For five hours, I think about a single thing. And

1214
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: it went like the blink of an eye. And it's

1215
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: a like I said, I think that's a very human

1216
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: that's a very human thing. I think that immersing yourself

1217
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: in these activities it helps you realize your humanity, because

1218
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that people did not evolve to spend

1219
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: all their time sitting in front of a computer and

1220
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: walking on paved grass. There's a feeling you get when

1221
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: you're a kid and you have like bare feet on

1222
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: the grass, you know, running around, being sweaty, using your muscles. Uh,

1223
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: doing something that's hard and being successful at it, running, jumping, throwing.

1224
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: I think that you know an ad a laddle is

1225
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: the natural extension of a human being thrown, and then

1226
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: that bow and arrow is the extension of that. I

1227
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: think that these are all very human experiences. And when

1228
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: I was up there on those limestone ridges, climbing around

1229
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: pulling myself up, I was engaging, you know, my quads

1230
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: and my arms and stuff that I wouldn't be doing

1231
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: if I was sitting in an office. It it makes

1232
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: me feel like I'm alive. It makes me feel like

1233
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm part of the human continuum. Uh. And it and

1234
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: that's why I want to help people that need a

1235
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: little push to get into it to do that, because

1236
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: that's it's it's it's like it's the reason that people

1237
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: have children. Tell other people you should have children, m

1238
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, like it's something that I had no I

1239
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: could not fathom what being a father was like until

1240
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: I was a father, and I could not fathom not

1241
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: being a father. Now, you know, it would be if

1242
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: something happened to be the worst thing, if I was

1243
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: no longer a father, to be the worst thing to

1244
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: ever happen to me, you know, because it's becomes so

1245
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: ingrained in who I am. It's changed my identity. And

1246
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: I think that I think that really that most people,

1247
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: if they gave hunting, uh, if they gave hunting an

1248
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: honest effort. I think that it would fundamentally change most

1249
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: human beings and make them feel more rooted mm hmm

1250
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: in being a person. Yeah, that's good. You know, there's

1251
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: an Edward Abbey quote. I don't like Edward Abbey, uh,

1252
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: but he did have some he had some good stuff.

1253
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: There was a quote that I've got it somewhere on

1254
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: my phone where it says for it says, for ten

1255
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: thousand years, humans were warriors and artists and poets and

1256
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: tamers of horses. That's what I liked. And he said,

1257
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 1: and then in just the last hundred and fifty years

1258
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: we became clerks and accountants and you know, had these jobs.

1259
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: And he said, basically the quote said, there's no way

1260
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: that you can extinguish that thing that we were in

1261
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: this short time. And I think that's what fuels me

1262
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: in a significant way is just what you've said, is

1263
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: that the adventure that we experience as hunters on whatever scale,

1264
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: if it's going out in your backyard and hunting deer,

1265
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: there is a level of adventure there that can be

1266
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 1: absolutely world class, high level human experience. To go and

1267
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: you're stinking backyard and bo hunt deer. The the ability

1268
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: to acquire a game. I mean, I'm preaching to the

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Speaker 1: choire here, but your the ability to acquire the most healthy,

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Speaker 1: the most rich rocket field, as Ted Nugent says, in

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Speaker 1: the world for yourself, is this extremely human experience that

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Speaker 1: does it kind of equalizes us in some way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in it, in it, and it does it makes us human.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like the further we get into time,

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Speaker 1: the urban, the further we've got away from being human.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, really, when you think about it's

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Speaker 1: not just technology, but it's culture and politics and all

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01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: the like, the complexities of life that we've never had

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Speaker 1: to deal with are pulling us more and more into

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Speaker 1: something that's really kind of unhuman. And and there's something

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Speaker 1: about and it's not And I I said this, I

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Speaker 1: think even recently on a podcast, is that to me,

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Speaker 1: there for hunting to make us something different. To me,

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Speaker 1: it has to be connected to something bigger like it

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Speaker 1: had and and to me that bigger thing is is God.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's something bigger that you know, and and

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a powerful component of it too.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, hunting just alone to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: could just be something empty. But when it's connected to

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Speaker 1: something bigger then then to me, that's when it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But this whole idea that that hunting is what makes

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Speaker 1: us human is uh. I think it's a powerful idea,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's something that that the non hunting

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Speaker 1: urban community, not just urban but just the non hunting

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Speaker 1: community really wouldn't understand. But their misunderstanding of it is

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Speaker 1: some is a product of a very short amount of

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Speaker 1: time on in in the vast view of human history.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just in the last fifty years have people

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Speaker 1: started thinking that hunting was weird, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: And and then not that everybody hunted before that. But man,

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Speaker 1: I think what we're what we're saying, what we're identifying with,

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Speaker 1: and what we the reason we're here is because we

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Speaker 1: recognize the incredible opportunity that we have access to. Ye.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what we're talking about, is this

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Speaker 1: incredible opportunity and access that we have at whatever level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't expect my kids to take hunting

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Speaker 1: as serious as I do, even though I would like

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Speaker 1: for them too. I doubt they'll be able to make

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Speaker 1: a living doing hunting related stuff like I have done. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if they'll take it. They may

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Speaker 1: not need to take it as serious as I do.

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Speaker 1: But if people, if people that really should and really

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Speaker 1: could at least have some level of deep respect for wildlife,

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Speaker 1: wild places and a humans ability to extract resource from

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Speaker 1: that wild place in a sustainable way. If you, if

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Speaker 1: they just respected it just a little bit, we'd be

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Speaker 1: way further along and in trying to continue hunting as

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Speaker 1: we've known it. I mean, so praying a practical sense,

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Speaker 1: Like if my son Bear grows up and it's just

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Speaker 1: a squirrel hunter and has a couple of squirrel dogs

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Speaker 1: his whole life and takes his kids squirrel hunting, I'll

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Speaker 1: be happy if he grows up and he's like, Dad,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to bear hunt like you do. You

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Speaker 1: kind of took it, you know. I mean that's cool, um,

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Speaker 1: because I don't want to paint the picture that everybody

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Speaker 1: has to be is into. I mean, you've like given

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Speaker 1: your life to this thing the last few years. And

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Speaker 1: I mean and I did the same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my whole a lot of my world revolve around hunting,

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Speaker 1: and uh not everybody can do that or should do that,

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean, look, I wouldn't want them to,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't want if everybody I

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Speaker 1: knew was like me, then the places I go to

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Speaker 1: would be crowded, you know, I mean, I mean practically,

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Speaker 1: But I I thought of something when you were when

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Speaker 1: you were just speaking before, And I bring my wife

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Speaker 1: up again, because this really was a poignant moment in

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Speaker 1: my life. It was maybe two or three years into

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Speaker 1: me hunting until I had reached a level of competency,

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Speaker 1: you know, where I could go out find deer, signed

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Speaker 1: kill a deer, skin of deer, butcher it. I've never

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Speaker 1: taken a deer to a process or you know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I came home. I'm a little four cylinder to Koma,

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Speaker 1: and I just had a pretty decent dough in there

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Speaker 1: and my I had killed it and got home before

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Speaker 1: my wife had even woken up. And I went and

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Speaker 1: woke up and say, hey, come outside and take a

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Speaker 1: look at this. And what she comes out and she

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Speaker 1: looked at it, and I remember she said, oh baby,

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Speaker 1: just like this kind of exclamation. And you know, my

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Speaker 1: wife is a very intelligent woman. She's you know, a

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Speaker 1: very progressive person. Absolutely would identify as a strong feminist.

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Speaker 1: But there was something. It wasn't. It wasn't like she's

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Speaker 1: she's totally capable of going out and procuring a deer

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Speaker 1: for herself. I think she was reacting to something that

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Speaker 1: was very human. She just felt happy and pride, prideful

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01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: that her partner had accomplished something that was very very

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01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: base too, being a human like I had gone out

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01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: and I had literally procured food for our family, and

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Speaker 1: she was just kind of reacting to that right off

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Speaker 1: the bat. And I'm telling you it's one It's one

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Speaker 1: of my proudest moments. I still think about it, uh,

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Speaker 1: because it I felt. I think it made me and

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Speaker 1: we never talked about it really, but it made me

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Speaker 1: feel recognized and appreciated and validated, validated in a way

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Speaker 1: that few things had because it was all it was

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Speaker 1: all based around things that I I had done for myself.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten that dear by myself. I convinced that woman

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Speaker 1: that I was a good partner, you know myself. I

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Speaker 1: had waxed and waned in both of those capable capability

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Speaker 1: levels with both those things. But it was a moment

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Speaker 1: where it kind of all came together and and yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that's a cool experience and what I saw inside

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Speaker 1: of it was, you know, marriage and partnership with another

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Speaker 1: human at the level of husband and wife is like

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Speaker 1: the most powerful entity and relationship ever in in a

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Speaker 1: functional way, even evolutionarily, you know, and I used that word,

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01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, just it it worked, and it worked that way,

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: you know, like complimenting things. Partnership. That's in essence what

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Speaker 1: I saw inside it was just like partnership. That makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And you know, you brought it

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Speaker 1: back to a point that I'm in line with you

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01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: about about that partnership. I absolutely think that my partnership

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Speaker 1: with my wife is it's the strongest how how would

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Speaker 1: I say that? He's waving his hands and it's the

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Speaker 1: place that I draw the most most strength from in

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Speaker 1: my life, you know, is that that partnership we have

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Speaker 1: uh that you know, we are building a life together,

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Speaker 1: we are making a family, we are making a way

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Speaker 1: in the world for ourselves, and we're figuring out what

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01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: we think and how to impart those ideas to our children.

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Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly pow. Hey tell us tell everybody

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01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: where they can find you Black Duck Revival dot com. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm most I'm probably most active on Instagram, So it's

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Speaker 1: just Black Duck Revival on Instagram, and I try. I've

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Speaker 1: been a little funky with it, but I try and

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01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: do like a recipe and a substantive article every week

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Speaker 1: or two. Uh, and then you'll find that on my website,

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Speaker 1: which is just Black Duck Revival dot com. You can

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: also if you go there, you can you can book

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01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: a stay. You can, you know, feel free to send

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: me an email ask me about what opportunities might be around.

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: I'll shoot you straight. Guys could come down there and

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01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: go squirrel hunting. It's great, some of the best squirrel

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01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: hunting ever. That's what I want, beautiful. There's water trails

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01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: down there that are for canoes, coon hunts, a huge

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01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: culture of coon hunting down there. And this year I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of I mean, I've never done

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01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: it before. I'm gonna try my hand at beaver trapping

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01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: and try and kind of do double duty. When I'm

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: out there on the water, you know, set a trap

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: line on my way out, come back in the morning,

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01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: hunt ducks and check my trap on the way out.

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Speaker 1: There's tons of there's there's tons of opportunity to do

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01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: all sources of stuff. Well, cool, man, that is really cool.

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: Well check out Black Duck Revival and uh yeah, book

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01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: a book, a couple of days duck hunting or that's

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01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: a cool part of the world down there. And just

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: and just so you know too, it's also uh the

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01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: state record white tail was killed about ten minutes away

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Speaker 1: from Black Duck Revival, so it's got the Arkansas Delta

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: has the biggest deer in Arkansas too because of the

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Speaker 1: Aglian So if you're a big deer hunter, there's plenty

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: of public land opportunities for it. Really is. There's some

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: incredible white tail hunting down there, for sure, incredible white

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: to hunt. Well, did we forget anything? Word? No, Man,

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01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity, man, I guess I told you yesterday. Man,

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01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: I've been following your stuff for a heavily for a

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: couple of months, and all the kind of stuff that

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: we talked about today is why I've been so drawn

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01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: to it, because I think you bring you bring that

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01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: passion in that uh, that thoughtfulness to it, and I

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01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 1: really appreciate it then identified with it. So thanks for

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01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity, man, Well, my pleasure to have you on. Well, man,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the ducks live,

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Speaker 1: and the bears and everything else m