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Speaker 1: JP Shadrick from the Hundai Studios Busy two hours ahead
Speaker 1: on ten tenxl Amjaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube recapping
Speaker 1: another Jaguars loss, Raiders nineteen Jaguars fourteen. The only bright
Speaker 1: spot Brian Thomas Junior goes over one thousand yards for
Speaker 1: the season. Defensive issues continue, though we'll keep it real
Speaker 1: involving the draft order, which has improved fanatics, fan questions,
Speaker 1: we'll try to get to those coming up. We'll go
Speaker 1: around the National Football League as well. After the game
Speaker 1: in law Las Vegas, another loss head coach Doug Peterson.
Speaker 4: Ah, you're right, it's not for the you know, for
Speaker 4: lack of effort, physicality and all that. The guys, guys
Speaker 4: do play hard, but the mistakes, penalties, you know, things
Speaker 4: that just kind of held us back all season.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the it's the.
Speaker 4: I think his coaches players. It is the frustrating part.
Speaker 4: And uh, until we get that corrected, obviously, you know
Speaker 4: there's gonna be a lot of a lot of long days.
Speaker 4: We gotta get fixed.
Speaker 1: Boy, A frustrated head coach after the game. Pete Prisco,
Speaker 1: CBS Sports senior writer in South Florida. Pro Football Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame left tackle Tony Bisselli is at home in
Speaker 1: his home studio today and uh, boy, that that's a
Speaker 1: that's a defeat. It's so it's so funny, Tony. What's
Speaker 1: the what's the smile?
Speaker 2: I mean what you called it my home studio? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess. Uh, it's Christmas.
Speaker 5: I got my daughter flew in today from Oklahoma. I
Speaker 5: got you know, Christmas Eve. But so we have a
Speaker 5: bunch of family here and I'm like, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm gonna kick it here so I can
Speaker 5: spend as much time as possible with him.
Speaker 6: Plus plus he could always it's always great to do
Speaker 6: the show next to your bust. I mean, what the
Speaker 6: hell me and j P don't have busts behind us
Speaker 6: and our.
Speaker 2: Shall I just leave it like that?
Speaker 6: No, it's bad enough seeing one of those heads, the
Speaker 6: real one but no, uh, by the way back to Doug, Well,
Speaker 6: until we get it fixed, so we're gonna have don't
Speaker 6: worry about it. It's probably only two more weeks to
Speaker 6: worry about fixing it.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying, I'm not I'm saying with this group.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no yeah, I mean, listen, how do I
Speaker 5: say this. You're three and twelve. I mean the high
Speaker 5: level mark at this point is five and twelve.
Speaker 2: Nobody.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got to finish the season, and you
Speaker 5: got to try to finish it the best you possibly can.
Speaker 5: And if you're It's different for the fans and us
Speaker 5: compared to the players and coaches because the players and
Speaker 5: coaches don't care about draft status or anything like that,
Speaker 5: and so they just want to win and that's what
Speaker 5: they should be thinking about. They just want to try
Speaker 5: to finish on a good note, some positive feelings on
Speaker 5: a Sunday night. Enjoy, you know, try to enjoy the
Speaker 5: last you know, two weeks of this season where the
Speaker 5: fans beat and you know this, I mean we saw it.
Speaker 5: The Raider fans were ticked leaving Oakland, I mean I
Speaker 5: leave in Las Vegas because they're like, wait a second,
Speaker 5: we won the game.
Speaker 2: But we have the worst draft of status.
Speaker 7: Well, now they don't have the quarterback, right.
Speaker 5: And so everybody else, you know, the fans and everyone
Speaker 5: else at this point are side. Listen, Let's get the
Speaker 5: best possible draft pick we can.
Speaker 2: Let's get this thing over with and let's get to
Speaker 2: the off season.
Speaker 6: So I was waiting for the call down Raiders, Raiders
Speaker 6: from above Mark Davis. He says, please let them score,
Speaker 6: Please let them score. You know, think about think about
Speaker 6: how the fortunes you franchise might change. You might have
Speaker 6: had one of those two quarterbacks and if one of
Speaker 6: them turns out, if the one you were gonna get
Speaker 6: turns out to be like Jayden Daniels, you just ruined it.
Speaker 5: Well not yet, I mean, still two weeks to go.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the only thing we know about
Speaker 5: the NFL draft is that the Giants are going to
Speaker 5: be had the first overall pick.
Speaker 2: That's about all we know.
Speaker 1: Feels that way, right, that.
Speaker 2: Knows what's gonna happen. I mean, it can change multiple times.
Speaker 6: Well, this game to Jacksonville this week is big for
Speaker 6: draft seeding, draft position.
Speaker 5: But this is the worst possible place for an organization
Speaker 5: where your fan base is like literally hoping to lose
Speaker 5: because the fan base cares more about the draft at
Speaker 5: this point than anything.
Speaker 7: Else, well not almost anything else.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's be honest.
Speaker 5: The fan base cares about what's going to happen the
Speaker 5: Monday after the season.
Speaker 6: Well, the fan base wants changes they want, that's fair.
Speaker 6: Let's be the fan base wants everybody out, start all
Speaker 6: over and and go from there.
Speaker 7: That's first and foremost. That's one priority.
Speaker 5: Here's my it'll be interesting. I haven't looked at the
Speaker 5: X questions yet today. I'm sure I can guess what
Speaker 5: they are because it's been a theme the last you know,
Speaker 5: several weeks to months. But if you like, if I
Speaker 5: was stack ranking what the fans care about right now,
Speaker 5: one would be change, two would be the draft, and
Speaker 5: then three would be what happens on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Might even be further down than three.
Speaker 5: Sudden, Well, if there's only three categories in my point,
Speaker 5: and that's third, and if you waited those, it's sixty percent.
Speaker 2: You know, change, thirty nine percent draft, and one percent.
Speaker 6: I take your high on the high on the draft,
Speaker 6: because the way that the fans look at it, the
Speaker 6: draft won't matter unless you make changes.
Speaker 5: Okay, maybe it's ninety percent nine and then yeah, nine
Speaker 5: point nine percent draft and zero point one percent you know,
Speaker 5: Sunday's game.
Speaker 6: And I don't even know if point one percent factors
Speaker 6: that you might not even register.
Speaker 7: That's how bad that I can't image what the crowd
Speaker 7: is going to be.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 5: But here's this is the sad thing for me because
Speaker 5: I mean, I even have a different perspective than you, Pete.
Speaker 5: I mean, and I know you care about the franchise,
Speaker 5: but I love this boll.
Speaker 2: I do it.
Speaker 5: So it pains me to be in the position we
Speaker 5: are that our fan base is thinking one thing completely
Speaker 5: on a different page than what's happening in the building
Speaker 5: with the coaches and players. And that's the like, when
Speaker 5: it's going good, this time of the year is the
Speaker 5: best to be in an NFL city. When you're when
Speaker 5: you have a good football team, you're winning, Your fans
Speaker 5: are going crazy, they're you know, so excited, the players
Speaker 5: are excited.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's aligned.
Speaker 5: And that's that's the magical part of the NFL come December,
Speaker 5: and unfortunately that's not where we are right now.
Speaker 7: And that was a bad team they lost.
Speaker 1: To them they lost ten in a row, Pete the r.
Speaker 6: I mean, here's the other part of that is how
Speaker 6: many guys. I mean, when you look, when you look
Speaker 6: at coaches and gms over the years, how many guys
Speaker 6: make it through on ten game losing streets streaks after
Speaker 6: what happened last year? I mean, the ain't a lot.
Speaker 2: So you think Antonio pierces out too.
Speaker 6: I do. I think Brady is going to go in
Speaker 6: there and take that thing over and give up his
Speaker 6: TV booth and and and become their executive VP.
Speaker 7: And he's gonna make a change. I think that.
Speaker 6: And and again, if you make a change and you
Speaker 6: don't get a quarterback, it ain't gonna matter anyways. Let's
Speaker 6: let's that's first and foremost. And they blew a great
Speaker 6: opportunity to get a quarterback. Now, whether you believe Shador
Speaker 6: Sanders or cam Ward is the answer. There's a clear
Speaker 6: line of delineation between those two and the next ones.
Speaker 6: And so you give yourself a chance. And if you
Speaker 6: don't get him, what are your options? Go pay Sam
Speaker 6: Darnold fifty million dollars a year. I don't go get
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: I don't think Minnesota is gonna let you out let
Speaker 2: him out of the building.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't think so either, But go get go, get go,
Speaker 6: get Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: After don't get JJ, then when he's ready, you can't
Speaker 1: get him if they're not gonna play him.
Speaker 6: That's just the point, though, is if you don't get
Speaker 6: the quarterback, I don't care who your head coach is.
Speaker 7: If your quarterback isn't fixed, you're not winning.
Speaker 2: Well, well, hold on, I'm gonna back up for a second.
Speaker 5: First of all, Pete, I you're like, this is why
Speaker 5: you're wrong on that statement, and I'm gonna use it
Speaker 5: like a team this year and we didn't talk about this,
Speaker 5: but let's like just act like you. I just gave
Speaker 5: you truth serum. So you got to tell the truth here. Boy,
Speaker 5: you got to think back to what you were thinking
Speaker 5: at the moment beginning of the season, before one game
Speaker 5: had been played. J. J. McCarthy's out hurt. They got
Speaker 5: rid of Danil Hunter on defense. It looked like a
Speaker 5: rebuild type of situation. Kevin O'Connell, I think we all
Speaker 5: think he's a good coach. I mean, coming into the season,
Speaker 5: we know he's a good coach. Now, I mean I
Speaker 5: always thought it's good coach. But we thought he was
Speaker 5: a good coach. But Sam Donald's going to be the quarterback. Pete,
Speaker 5: how many games was Minnesota winning In Pete Pritzo's mind,
Speaker 5: was Sam Donald's quarterback?
Speaker 6: Eight eight?
Speaker 2: They're thirteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so my point is you have to have
Speaker 5: talent at the quarterback position, and I think Sam Donald's
Speaker 5: a talented player who's not fined. The you know who
Speaker 5: went to the Jets. It was the disaster, the situation there.
Speaker 5: He bounced around trying to get footing. But the bottom
Speaker 5: line is it's not just great quarterback play.
Speaker 2: You have to have a.
Speaker 5: You have to have a above average, a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: You have to have a great quarterback, and you have
Speaker 2: to have good, great coaching.
Speaker 5: And the same thing I'll say because we all now
Speaker 5: want to make our exciting about Jared Goffin. He's an MVP,
Speaker 5: but like rewind the tap, two and a half years,
Speaker 5: everyone thought that there was no chance he was going
Speaker 5: to make it in Detroit. He started slow. He even
Speaker 5: said himself this week he thought he was getting benched
Speaker 5: when Dan Campbell called him into his office.
Speaker 7: But he had also been to a Super Bowl for
Speaker 7: Ramsta Beat.
Speaker 2: But I know for a fact you were done with
Speaker 2: Jared Goff when he.
Speaker 6: Went yes, I was not I I was. In fact,
Speaker 6: I was one. I'll be honest about Sam Darnold. Never
Speaker 6: saw this coming ever, and and in the back of
Speaker 6: my mind it's still there. When does it become Sam Darnold.
Speaker 5: It's hard not to. I mean, that's human nature. I
Speaker 5: guess my point is, Beat, I think it's not just
Speaker 5: head coaches. I think really good organizations with alignment top
Speaker 5: to bottom, with really good head coaching and coaching staff
Speaker 5: can do a lot.
Speaker 2: As long as you have a good quarterback. You don't
Speaker 2: have to have Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6: But you have to have for sustainable success in the NFL,
Speaker 6: you have to have coach, big people.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna.
Speaker 7: I'm not in that order, but I'm just saying I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna give you what you have to have for a
Speaker 5: good organization, ownership, front office, coach, quarterback, big people.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll give you that, and and you look at Okay,
Speaker 6: let's let's for example, let's use the Bengals. They have
Speaker 6: the coach, I mean, the quarterback, they don't have the
Speaker 6: big people on the I mean their their interior. Their
Speaker 6: lines have been bad for a long time, and some
Speaker 6: people question whether they have the coach.
Speaker 2: I think he's a good coach.
Speaker 6: I do too, And some people question their front office,
Speaker 6: which I don't either, because I think he's done a
Speaker 6: pretty good job for considering what they have. So, you know, ownership,
Speaker 6: people say the Bengals are cheap. That's an old narrative.
Speaker 6: It's not the same narrative. So so they're not winning
Speaker 6: because they don't have the big people. You can go
Speaker 6: around the league and one of those five is you're right.
Speaker 6: One of those five is bad. You're not winning.
Speaker 7: But for me, it starts with general manager, quarterback, then.
Speaker 6: Coach, because if you don't have the quarterback, to Tony,
Speaker 6: if you don't have the quarterback, you could have the
Speaker 6: greatest coach in the world.
Speaker 7: Look at Belichick when he didn't have the quarterback.
Speaker 5: Hold on, let's make sure we're saying the same thing here,
Speaker 5: because I think we are. Actually when you say if
Speaker 5: you don't have the quarterback, I think when people hear that,
Speaker 5: immediately people listening to us and think of Josh Allen,
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes, you know, go down the list of the
Speaker 5: you know, top three to five quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: My point is is.
Speaker 5: You can have a top ten to twelve quarterback.
Speaker 7: Yes, you can have Dak Prescott and win.
Speaker 2: That's a great example.
Speaker 1: Is Trevor Lawrence That.
Speaker 5: Yes, I am. Let me just say it now. I've
Speaker 5: said it ten times this year. I'm gonna say it again.
Speaker 5: I am a firm believer. I have strong convictions that
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence can win you a Super Bowl. And I
Speaker 5: still believe this organ that the organization I love, the
Speaker 5: Jacksonville Jaguars will win a super Bowl with Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 5: as the quarterback.
Speaker 6: I think you can win a super Bowl with Trevor
Speaker 6: Lawrence as well. I don't like what they've done to him.
Speaker 2: Well, no one does.
Speaker 6: There's reams well, but there's there's reasons for it. And
Speaker 6: I think with the with the right.
Speaker 2: System, they're four and seventeen right since.
Speaker 6: But again last year, and he's got to I mean,
Speaker 6: he's got he needs better coaching, but he needs better system.
Speaker 7: He needs to play better all of it, A, B
Speaker 7: and C.
Speaker 6: He needs.
Speaker 5: I mean, well he's not I mean just I mean,
Speaker 5: let's if you're getting to the game on Sunday, let's
Speaker 5: let's just go through this and this year, Yeah, Trevor
Speaker 5: needs to be better. So I'm not excusing Trevor, and
Speaker 5: I don't think he would excuse himself. But Trevor doesn't
Speaker 5: line up on sides or in the right formation. Trevor
Speaker 5: does not run the proper coverage. Trevor is not responsible
Speaker 5: for everyone knowing their assignments like and so it's not Yeah,
Speaker 5: Trevor needs to play better. But I mean Doug talked
Speaker 5: about today and I could see the frustration on his face.
Speaker 6: But it ultimately that falls at the foot of the coach.
Speaker 2: Well that's where I was gonna go, Pete. You know,
Speaker 2: it's one thing.
Speaker 5: It's one thing if it's a one week deal, but
Speaker 5: we're looking at now a season and it was the
Speaker 5: same issues last year at the back half of the season.
Speaker 5: We're busting coverages, busts on defense and line it up
Speaker 5: and everything else. It's carried over to this year and
Speaker 5: so you know that that has to that has to
Speaker 5: be fixed. I mean I said it this morning with
Speaker 5: with Dan JP and I did a thing for the
Speaker 5: UK or UK audience, and I'll say it again here.
Speaker 5: Before you can win in this league, you got to
Speaker 5: start by not beating yourself. I mean that's I mean,
Speaker 5: you can't beat yourself. We beat ourselves more than the
Speaker 5: other team beats us.
Speaker 7: It's sloppy, just sloppy football.
Speaker 1: And let's dig into that when we come back a
Speaker 1: little bit more, some of the details of that. It
Speaker 1: showed up again certainly in Las Vegas yesterday. Coming up
Speaker 1: a little later the second hour of the program, we'll
Speaker 1: have your fanatics, fan questions.
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Speaker 8: I know, for the guys that haven't been around, it's harder,
Speaker 8: and I've been through this stuff many times, and you
Speaker 8: just gotta go play ball and know that your tape
Speaker 8: is your resume and everyone's watching the tape and that's
Speaker 8: what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: And it stinks.
Speaker 8: I do everything in my power to scream at guys
Speaker 8: and cuss and say let's effing go.
Speaker 3: But here's what it is.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars YouTube JP Shadwick, Tony Boselli, Pete Frisco after a
Speaker 1: Jaguars lost nineteen fourteen ugly ugly, ugly football game.
Speaker 6: Pet By the way, he is not a happy CAMPERO.
Speaker 6: If I was, if I was the old beat guy
Speaker 6: on that team, I would have had three or four
Speaker 6: stories out of him by the time miking by from
Speaker 6: the last one.
Speaker 1: He was a little salty by not being on the field.
Speaker 1: It sounded like, well, I know what.
Speaker 6: He's not wrong.
Speaker 2: That was That was.
Speaker 5: Very undooey like, because Dewey's like the consumt and like teams,
Speaker 5: he's the hype.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was interesting.
Speaker 6: That was something that he has been waiting to say
Speaker 6: for a while.
Speaker 1: He's coming off with the injury and all that, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of the.
Speaker 6: How long has he been off that a month?
Speaker 5: I think he's only been back four weeks ago, right,
Speaker 5: I think it's.
Speaker 6: A month it's a month, but once you're cleared, that
Speaker 6: means you're ready to go. And he didn't go.
Speaker 2: Well wait, he played special teams beat.
Speaker 6: But he should have been on the field.
Speaker 5: I got a question for you too, and I'll give
Speaker 5: my opinion after you guys give yours.
Speaker 2: How did you think do we play?
Speaker 6: I watched the tape today. It was just.
Speaker 2: How does it? Okay, how did do we play? Compared
Speaker 2: to the safety play we've had all year?
Speaker 6: Much better? I mean, but like he jumps, he comes
Speaker 6: running up on some routes where.
Speaker 7: I get you, but it Yes, he was a much
Speaker 7: more active.
Speaker 6: Yes he should have been. Did you watch the tape today? Yes, okay,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm talking about. When he there's a
Speaker 6: couple of plays where he comes buzzing up. He's playing
Speaker 6: a good team with a good receiving group. They go
Speaker 6: over the top of him. But saying that, and he
Speaker 6: also missed the tackle. He took the wrong gap on
Speaker 6: the touch that was perfect, but on the touchdown run
Speaker 6: he got caught it saw he jumped inside? Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 6: but he made plays which you haven't been seeing from
Speaker 6: that spot.
Speaker 5: Okay, am I correct that he had three pass breakups yes,
Speaker 5: can we can someone tell me the number of pass
Speaker 5: breakups the rest of the safeties out.
Speaker 6: On the year.
Speaker 1: I can probably do that. Give me a second. I
Speaker 1: can find it real quick.
Speaker 6: And you know you're not wrong Tony. He was active,
Speaker 6: and he was he knew, He looked like he knew
Speaker 6: where he was going a lot of the time, which
Speaker 6: is again been part of the problem.
Speaker 5: I just watched that and I'm like, is it just
Speaker 5: me or do we like making more plays?
Speaker 2: And we've seen that in the safety position.
Speaker 1: Cisco has seven for the year. Let's see Darnel Savage
Speaker 1: has six for the year, but he's been kind of
Speaker 1: a nickel.
Speaker 6: He's safety for eight weeks.
Speaker 1: Seven eight weeks and Wingers got three. Johnson, Antonio Johnson
Speaker 1: has one.
Speaker 7: Yes, he should have been and he had reading the
Speaker 7: reason to gripe.
Speaker 6: If you come back off an injury and the guys
Speaker 6: playing in front of you are tearing it up, then
Speaker 6: you get it. Yeah, they have it. They've been.
Speaker 7: That's been one of the weakest spots of the team
Speaker 7: the entire year.
Speaker 2: But I was like, he messed up on the on
Speaker 2: the touchdown. He jumps, he jumped inside that that I'm
Speaker 2: not excusing it, but happens.
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, especially in the fourth quarter he
Speaker 5: popped on film and make busted to remember play and
Speaker 5: a half he had spreak ups and half.
Speaker 6: I think he played like sixty snaps though didn't he.
Speaker 2: I thought he only played the second half. Maybe he
Speaker 2: got came in.
Speaker 1: The first Oh more than that, I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's see, I thought he played like sixty snaps. Winger
Speaker 1: played eighty five percent of the snaps.
Speaker 9: Okay, so so Savage got hurt early then yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: but again he has reason to be upset, and I'm
Speaker 9: glad he showed it, but that would have been again,
Speaker 9: that should have been out like a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7: You know, you know how I used to do Tony
Speaker 7: go over there and go.
Speaker 6: Hey, you know, shouldn't you be playing? Are you ready
Speaker 6: to play? Why do they hold you back? Hey?
Speaker 1: By the way, it kind of feels like to me,
Speaker 1: that's one of the first times we've heard really kind
Speaker 1: of a raw emotion out of anybody in a lot
Speaker 1: that that intense this year.
Speaker 2: That's I think we're saying that's the first time, and
Speaker 2: I think you're jp.
Speaker 5: I'm not in every open locker room and out here
Speaker 5: every comment, So maybe there's others. It's the first time
Speaker 5: I can remember what you would call a comment off
Speaker 5: the script of the what the coach wants.
Speaker 2: Right, by the way, that's not a shot at Doug.
Speaker 5: Every head coach and I played for one who wanted
Speaker 5: to control the message more than anyone in the history
Speaker 5: of mankind, like Tom did not want.
Speaker 2: Players going off script, like here's the message.
Speaker 5: Like the message was what he said in the team room,
Speaker 5: you know, supporting your players, never say anything bad about
Speaker 5: the opponent, Like that was the script.
Speaker 2: Basically.
Speaker 5: Now, we had a bunch of guys who went off
Speaker 5: script sometimes.
Speaker 6: Thank god you did for my business.
Speaker 5: We did go off script at times, But that was
Speaker 5: the first time I can remember going off like here
Speaker 5: in a player this year go off script.
Speaker 2: Like do he made it clear, like, hey, timing out.
Speaker 6: There, that's what and I've been doing that all along.
Speaker 6: Basically he is what he's saying. Here's the other thing
Speaker 6: about it, And you got to ask your something this.
Speaker 6: If he hadn't been hurt, would you have started this year.
Speaker 5: I'll just say this, it's a small sample size, but
Speaker 5: I'm based on what I saw yesterday he should be
Speaker 5: your start and safety.
Speaker 6: So should he start next week?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 6: I mean, what's his contract status?
Speaker 7: This is his last year, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Before the Sea?
Speaker 6: That's right? But how many years was it?
Speaker 2: Three? Guess?
Speaker 6: I got it. I thought he had maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three years nine point six.
Speaker 6: He should be on the field, yes, because going forward
Speaker 6: he's going to be a part of the team. He
Speaker 6: should be on the field. So next you know how
Speaker 6: they took Darby and sat him down, next week they
Speaker 6: should take somebody whichever one you want to sit him down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next year twenty five is his final year of
Speaker 1: his contract.
Speaker 6: Hey, JP, what do they say about Savage's injury today?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Concussion protocol, So he'll be iffy for next week anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right, So we'll see.
Speaker 7: So if he's not there, Dewey should start for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, and then you look the next year, Pete, My
Speaker 5: guess is not looking We did this last week and
Speaker 5: we didn't look at Savage's number. I'm sure Savage has
Speaker 5: a pretty big dead number because he just signed if
Speaker 5: I mean, so, Savage is going to be back up,
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying Savage doesn't deserve me back that's
Speaker 5: not my point that the team of dead contract this one.
Speaker 6: Here's Jacksonville team of dead contracts.
Speaker 1: Darnell Savage. Cap hit next year four point eight million,
Speaker 1: the dead cap ten point twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna keep him. I mean Savage. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think Savage been Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 6: Should have been playing safety the whole time, like I
Speaker 6: said in the preseason.
Speaker 5: Like at this point, which is disappointing because I thought
Speaker 5: Cisco's have a big year.
Speaker 6: I mean, he is a free agent, he's got, he's gone.
Speaker 6: In fact, he shouldn't be on the field. Dewey should
Speaker 6: be on the field.
Speaker 5: So I mean, very well, and then an turn the
Speaker 5: Johnson's back. He's a young player, very affordable contract.
Speaker 6: He barely played yesterday, by the way.
Speaker 2: Not much.
Speaker 5: But I mean, would it surprise you if next year
Speaker 5: you're starting safeties or Savage and Dewey.
Speaker 6: No, not at all. But but Savage. Why they tried
Speaker 6: Savage at nickel corner is the biggest mystery I've ever
Speaker 6: seen in my entire life. But I said it all preseason.
Speaker 7: You know, I did, I pounded, I go, he's not
Speaker 7: a nickel corner.
Speaker 2: You did, But Pete. He did play Nickel.
Speaker 7: And green I get it, but that's not what he is.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you. That's what he played in green Bay.
Speaker 7: Safety in green Bay too, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: By the way, the whole narrative last week going into
Speaker 1: the game was, hey, brock Bauers is really good at
Speaker 1: tight end, and he's closing in on a thousand yards
Speaker 1: and could break Mike Dicker's rookie record of receiving yards
Speaker 1: for a tight end and all this first play from
Speaker 1: scrimmage from their own three.
Speaker 6: He got picked on that. It was real and he
Speaker 6: did once he got picked he barely even played the
Speaker 6: rest of the game.
Speaker 1: You know, he came out.
Speaker 2: He hurt his ankle.
Speaker 6: Was is it? Is that why he came out or
Speaker 6: was he he got he got picked on that play
Speaker 6: and off he went off. That Bowers is good.
Speaker 7: Now, how about every time he needed a first down
Speaker 7: the game?
Speaker 1: Tight ends do huh?
Speaker 2: He had two drops of the easy balls. He dropped
Speaker 2: two easy balls. He made two catches off his shoe
Speaker 2: tops on the move that were so athletic and amazing.
Speaker 6: I'm like, he's not a great blocker, but as far
Speaker 6: as pass catching tight ends, he might be the best
Speaker 6: in the league right now, but they.
Speaker 2: Don't have I mean, Michael Meyer Mayor is the is
Speaker 2: the the blocking tight end.
Speaker 6: But they also have a bad quarterback. I mean that
Speaker 6: was like you watched that game yesterday, It was like
Speaker 6: a how not to on the position? My god, and
Speaker 6: you know what, And going back to Jacksonville's quarterback and
Speaker 6: we'll get more into that, he had clean pockets all
Speaker 6: damn day. I mean none none.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's come back.
Speaker 2: Anton gave him a little pressure. He struggled again.
Speaker 6: Later in the game. Though early in the game he
Speaker 6: was okay. But later in the game, you're rady gave
Speaker 6: up some pressures. But for the most part, and by
Speaker 6: the way, the guy who went in at left tackle
Speaker 6: wasn't bad.
Speaker 5: Van Lannon has shown himself valuable and played well.
Speaker 7: Can he play guard? No, he's not big, he's not
Speaker 7: thick enough.
Speaker 1: Let's come back in a moment. We'll dig a little
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Speaker 10: Yeah, he's done a good job that once again are
Speaker 10: gonna take him away. And I missed him early. We
Speaker 10: had the one misconnection on the hold and then he
Speaker 10: made a couple of great plays late. So always gonna
Speaker 10: keep fighting. He's his own biggest critic and so am I,
Speaker 10: so we fit well together. But I think he had like,
Speaker 10: you know, ten ten or some catches probably for one
Speaker 10: hundred something yards.
Speaker 1: So he did his.
Speaker 6: Part and we got to continue to give him the ball.
Speaker 1: It's Mac Jones Jaguars quarterback twenty five of thirty nine
Speaker 1: through the air to forty seven a touchdown, No picks
Speaker 1: from Mac Jones one hundred and thirty two of those
Speaker 1: yards to Brian Thomas Junior. Welcome back. It's Jaguars are
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Speaker 1: of the Jags offense yesterday, of course, Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: And there was some left out there. The drop ball
Speaker 1: they had the holding call on with negated it anyway,
Speaker 1: the double move thrown out of bounds. I mean he
Speaker 1: was opened between the safety and corner there. Mac just
Speaker 1: missed him. But uh, you say it every week, Pete,
Speaker 1: this guy's a star in the making.
Speaker 6: He's fantastic and only the tip of the iceberg. They
Speaker 6: have their guy. You know, all the good offenses love
Speaker 6: to have that guy because it creates so much on
Speaker 6: the other side. You know, you look what Chase does,
Speaker 6: and Chase is fantastic and Burrows great, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 6: But with Higgins over there, I mean it opens up
Speaker 6: Higgins in one on one situations, and I think that's
Speaker 6: what Thomas is going to do going forward.
Speaker 7: I love his game, I love his competitiveness.
Speaker 6: He does get a little frustrated when the past doesn't
Speaker 6: come as well. Yeah right, or or or on that
Speaker 6: one on the sidelines. His body language after that throw
Speaker 6: wasn't great. But but you gotta love it for a
Speaker 6: young player, and I think he's fantastic. And that is
Speaker 6: one player who's going to be a star. And I
Speaker 6: don't think there's any doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Pete, have you watched every top receiver in this league?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right. Oh, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 7: But he's good to that. You didn't think of your rookie,
Speaker 7: would he does?
Speaker 2: I think it's just I think it's an eight.
Speaker 6: It comes with the position.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, tell me one alpha dog that when
Speaker 5: he doesn't get the ball or isn't thrown right, that
Speaker 5: gives you like warm and fuzzies afterwards.
Speaker 6: Like I always used to say. And I love him
Speaker 6: to death, and he's one of the best receiver coaches
Speaker 6: in the league. If Keenan had three for twenty eight
Speaker 6: and you won, he was not nearly as happy as
Speaker 6: he was when he had eight thirty two. I'm telling you, and.
Speaker 7: John O'shaw will back it up for me. And don't
Speaker 7: get me wrong, he love.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about like a day after, not right after
Speaker 6: the game, but a day later.
Speaker 7: Come on, Tony, that's he's just a receiver in him.
Speaker 2: First of all, Keenan was never covered his whole career.
Speaker 2: He was always open.
Speaker 6: Ask It's so great. It's so great to watch him
Speaker 6: now though, Like yesterday, Jefferson had a touchdown and got
Speaker 6: an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for celebration, and I watched Keenan
Speaker 6: go over there and give him like the old man lecture.
Speaker 6: Come on, Keenan. But as it is, I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Every receiver in the league. I don't care who they are.
Speaker 6: They want the ball and they cry about not getting
Speaker 6: the ball.
Speaker 2: What's what's Brian Thomas's Ian Thomas Junior's ceiling.
Speaker 6: Pete right there with Chase and Jefferson right below him.
Speaker 6: I think right there because those two are in there,
Speaker 6: they're in special, special, special category. He's right right below them.
Speaker 6: I think it has it Theyn't get me wrong. With
Speaker 6: hard work and better offense and a better quarterback play,
Speaker 6: he can be there. But right now I think his
Speaker 6: ceiling is right below that, which is special.
Speaker 5: By the way, what I am interested to see because
Speaker 5: my takeaway those other guys is that they.
Speaker 2: Are hard workers too.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I'm not saying Brian Thomas Junior
Speaker 5: is it. But the next test for him is between
Speaker 5: year one and year two, does he go do the
Speaker 5: work to be a great player, Because we've seen a
Speaker 5: lot of guys do it for one year, but the
Speaker 5: really good ones and the great ones do a year
Speaker 5: in and year out.
Speaker 6: Well, that's in the next step. Tony is now that
Speaker 6: everybody knows he's that guy. How do you handle the
Speaker 6: double how do you handle the physical play?
Speaker 7: How do you handle over.
Speaker 6: The top safeties and getting mugged at the line of scrimping?
Speaker 6: That's all the great ones learned to handle it. The
Speaker 6: ones that fall off are the ones that flash, don't
Speaker 6: put the work in and never learn how to handle it.
Speaker 7: And so you're right to that degree.
Speaker 6: And now when you're an alpha receiver, you're gonna get
Speaker 6: all the extra attention and you got to learn how
Speaker 6: to handle it. And and from everything I heard, and
Speaker 6: this is the second hand story I was told from
Speaker 6: miss days at LSU. Neighbors was the worker Thomas wasn't.
Speaker 6: When he first got there, they were very good friends.
Speaker 6: They looked around. He said, hey, if he's getting all
Speaker 6: attention and catching all those passes and doing what he's doing,
Speaker 6: I better get my butt doing the same exact thing.
Speaker 7: And he did, and that's why he got better and
Speaker 7: better and better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know Brian well enough.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's obviously just the rookie. But there's nothing
Speaker 5: that I have seen that would make me think he's
Speaker 5: not going to be a worker and do what it thinks.
Speaker 5: It's just that's the next step, that's the evolution for
Speaker 5: him as a NFL player, to build on this tremendous
Speaker 5: franchise wrecker setting rookie year.
Speaker 6: I mean he's been You redrafted the draft right now,
Speaker 6: and wide receivers went in order. You still might take
Speaker 6: Neighbors ahead of him. You're not taking Marvin Harrison over him.
Speaker 6: You're not taking Rome with Dounsday over him.
Speaker 2: No, he would be the first or second receiver off
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 6: Correct, correct, which is by the way I actually the
Speaker 6: way I had it ranked was Neighbors. I like Thomas second,
Speaker 6: and I didn't love Harrison. You remember that because I
Speaker 6: didn't think he ran that well, and I don't think
Speaker 6: he's as sudden as these guys. These guys are sudden.
Speaker 6: Brian Thomas is sudden when he gets that, when he
Speaker 6: gets the ball in his hands, he's going, He's going, man,
Speaker 6: that's going. Well.
Speaker 2: He has an extra gear that, yeah, very few have.
Speaker 1: Can we uh? Can we get back to the quarterback play? Yesterday?
Speaker 6: I was to go upstairs. Where are you upstairs or
Speaker 6: you downstairs at your house? I'm downstairs, Okay, go upstairs,
Speaker 6: and you should make or go wherever the kitchen is
Speaker 6: and make a sandwich, because that's what your trade that
Speaker 6: you were going to get.
Speaker 7: You were going to make a trade for mac Jones
Speaker 7: a couple.
Speaker 6: Of weeks ago.
Speaker 7: I don't know what you want to put it between it?
Speaker 6: What do you got?
Speaker 7: I got any turkey or roast beef or something?
Speaker 6: Come on, I think that's still one of the great
Speaker 6: things about was it two months ago?
Speaker 5: The season at the beginning of the seasons.
Speaker 6: Just refreshed for everybody. What did you say?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna repeat it because I was wrong, but I.
Speaker 7: Bring that up every Sunday when we're sitting in our
Speaker 7: green room.
Speaker 6: I bring up with you. Everybody starts, well.
Speaker 2: I hope you bring up after that. You know you're
Speaker 2: will Lemis take.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'll believe me. I get non stop for that,
Speaker 6: and deservedly so. And but again mac Jones.
Speaker 2: I just thought he was better. Pete.
Speaker 7: I don't sometimes I don't know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He he leaves clean pockets too much. And you know
Speaker 2: what the biggest thing that jumps out of me, Pete
Speaker 2: when there's no pressure, even he doesn't go through his
Speaker 2: whole progression, he like.
Speaker 6: He throws it into the dirt at the foot of
Speaker 6: the guy. He goes to his first like he never
Speaker 6: And I'll give you one. And you probably saw this.
Speaker 6: He threw one got to the right. I can't remember
Speaker 6: who it was, but he had Strange. If he comes
Speaker 6: back off his progression, I think he bailed on the play.
Speaker 6: But he comes back he has Strange wide open on
Speaker 6: it and Strange has his hand up. Do you remember
Speaker 6: that one down the sideline. It's a touchdown. But he
Speaker 6: never goes there. He stays on his first progression, or
Speaker 6: he bails. It's it's that simple. And when he does bail,
Speaker 6: it's you know, the only time he really made a
Speaker 6: play when he bailed was late in the game when
Speaker 6: he kept his head up and threw that one down there.
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, that was a good play. But everything
Speaker 6: is it's herky jerky. Is that the I mean, there's
Speaker 6: nothing smooth about it, you know what it is.
Speaker 2: Peter's feet are all over the place.
Speaker 6: Bad bad, It's almost like and I thought the protection
Speaker 6: was pretty good on Sunday. It was fine.
Speaker 2: It was NFL. It was fine. It's gonna be I mean,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be muddied at times.
Speaker 5: But and I had thought Pete and I don't know,
Speaker 5: maybe this is a result of you know, the.
Speaker 2: End in New England. But Matt Jones is not a
Speaker 2: top level athlete. Like he's not. He's a pocket quarterback.
Speaker 5: And I thought he would be a guy who'd sit
Speaker 5: in the pocket, work the pocket.
Speaker 2: And you know, and make throws down feel and he's not.
Speaker 2: He gets out of there way quicker than.
Speaker 6: And then he puts a lot of passes that aren't
Speaker 6: in play. Yeah, I mean, give a guy a chance,
Speaker 6: you know, he doesn't give him chances. Look, let's be real,
Speaker 6: he's not the difference between him and Bethard ain't that much.
Speaker 7: Not and you know, as a Jacksonville kid, you'd like to.
Speaker 6: See him succeed.
Speaker 2: But I'm rooting hard for him.
Speaker 6: He's a backup quarterback in the national football they got.
Speaker 2: I think that's right.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the difference between him and Bethro
Speaker 5: I think Bethann's better at going through progressions.
Speaker 2: Bethri just doesn't have the arm right.
Speaker 5: Strength and and Mac is a better arm than Bethor,
Speaker 5: but doesn't.
Speaker 2: Go through the progression like Bethrin does.
Speaker 6: I mean, there were times where you sit there and
Speaker 6: you go, I don't know what he's why he's get leaving.
Speaker 6: Just stay there, stay there, stay there. They don't and
Speaker 6: and look, you can get be guilty of holding the
Speaker 6: ball too.
Speaker 7: Long and staying there. He didn't even any close to that.
Speaker 7: He's out of there right away.
Speaker 6: And it's not like, okay, if you if you were
Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels and you were getting out of there, that's one.
Speaker 6: That's another story. Because you can move with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 6: He can't move, like you said, what are you moving to?
Speaker 2: Even Trevor. Trevor's an athlete.
Speaker 6: He can run and do stuff, and Trevor leaves pockets
Speaker 6: too soon too.
Speaker 5: I agree, but I had thought coming into this season. Okay,
Speaker 5: if Mack has to play, he's gonna be more of
Speaker 5: a pocket passers.
Speaker 2: And hang in there you go.
Speaker 5: You know, you gotta give him some time, but he's
Speaker 5: gonna work the pocket and he just doesn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he's Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield
Speaker 6: two point up.
Speaker 1: Let's come back in a moment thing.
Speaker 2: Bete what a year ago? Two years ago?
Speaker 5: No, everyone thought Sam Donald was nothing but a backup,
Speaker 5: and now he's someone's gonna pay him fifty million bucks.
Speaker 6: A true, Yeah, it's true. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 6: fifty million.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's get forty.
Speaker 6: He'll get he'll get what Baker got thirty five ish.
Speaker 1: That's not a jump change, that's for sure. Let's come back.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the penalties yesterday. We'll get to these
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Speaker 1: are many right next to the coal. There's some lumps
Speaker 1: of coal over this place right now. Unfortunately, Jags issues
Speaker 1: yesterday they were many. But I mean, I'm sitting here, Pete,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at this sequence of penalties. First off,
Speaker 1: Eric Armstead was off side twice in a row. They
Speaker 1: were both declined because of the long passes on him.
Speaker 1: And then in the second quarter Las Vegas back to
Speaker 1: back fall starts moves him back and then the Jaguars
Speaker 1: have back to back off side from heinz Allen and
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. They could have had more than that. What
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 6: Happened bad football for both teams and bad teams.
Speaker 7: That's what happened. When you're a bad team, you do
Speaker 7: stuff like that.
Speaker 6: I mean, Pete, I.
Speaker 5: Said during the broadcast, because Frank and Jeff and I
Speaker 5: were look at each other up to that little sequence,
Speaker 5: and I just said, this is what you get when
Speaker 5: you have two teams with double digit losses playing each other.
Speaker 2: It kind of is what it is.
Speaker 7: Here's the other part of it.
Speaker 6: It what you were talking about, situational and coaching and everything.
Speaker 6: What happened at the two minute warning? Do you remember
Speaker 6: the time out at the two minute warning?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: The first sat The first I think was the clock
Speaker 5: because I don't think they were going to run out
Speaker 5: of play clock.
Speaker 7: Were they because it was looked like it was synced.
Speaker 5: I think it was the second behind, or like three
Speaker 5: quarters of the second behind, So I think it would have.
Speaker 7: See on the broadcast they said it wouldn't.
Speaker 5: Really it was really close, Pete, like really really close,
Speaker 5: And so I think that.
Speaker 6: Doug just, I mean, again, not great the way you
Speaker 6: handle that. Why do you let it go down like
Speaker 6: that even in that situation. I mean, you're clearly trying
Speaker 6: to get that playoff before the two minute warning. So
Speaker 6: why why allowed to even get close to that?
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just they're just you could there's a
Speaker 7: laundry list of.
Speaker 6: Stuff every week that you can look at, the busts
Speaker 6: in the secondary, the dumb penalties, the hold on the
Speaker 6: fourth on the fourth down run or the third was that? Yeah,
Speaker 6: the fourth down run? Did you did you think he
Speaker 6: held him? He grabbed a little bit, maybe, but that
Speaker 6: that's sometimes that one's not.
Speaker 5: Called his hands are outside the body right under. So
Speaker 5: by the rule of the law, the letter of the law,
Speaker 5: I should say that's a penalty. And I will say
Speaker 5: this year, Pete, they are calling holding much tighter than
Speaker 5: they have in the past.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But and in reality was it didn't have a
Speaker 6: lot to do with that run. I didn't think that
Speaker 6: guy wasn't gonna get there anyways.
Speaker 2: I didn't find I thought it was a ticki tack call.
Speaker 5: But by the letter of the law, you can't have
Speaker 5: your hands outside.
Speaker 6: But look at the bright side, it set the set
Speaker 6: the stage for the checkdown on fourth and twenty or
Speaker 6: whatever it.
Speaker 2: Was, fourth and eleven.
Speaker 6: Fourth, What are you doing here here, Johnson? Jaronis, go
Speaker 6: get it Darren's Johnson. Go get it, Go get yourself
Speaker 6: eleven yards.
Speaker 2: But that was enough. Now.
Speaker 5: Doug said in his pressure today that they dropped soft coverage,
Speaker 5: which I would agree watching it. However, there wasn't immediate
Speaker 5: pressure where he had to get there, like you have
Speaker 5: to let guys work and try to influence them with
Speaker 5: your eyes.
Speaker 2: Let it.
Speaker 7: If he had let him work, he'd had something in
Speaker 7: the middle.
Speaker 5: On the back I thought on the backside he could
Speaker 5: have stuck it in the Parker Washington, or he didn't
Speaker 5: go there. I think it was Brenton Strange was about
Speaker 5: eight yards right over the middle, and I give Brenton
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty chance. You know he could run through
Speaker 5: one tackle to get to the eleven.
Speaker 6: Well, of all the choices he made, that's the worst
Speaker 6: one he made.
Speaker 5: It he made the most difficult. I would rather have
Speaker 5: him push the ball down the field and if it's intercepted,
Speaker 5: it's intercepted.
Speaker 6: It I agree. I'm behind you. I thought it was
Speaker 6: a terrible play.
Speaker 2: I did not understand.
Speaker 5: It wasn't rush, it wasn't like pressure in his face,
Speaker 5: like he just he I just looked and it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: it's not there.
Speaker 2: Chuck down. I'm like, whoa, it's fourth and eleven. The
Speaker 2: game is in the line. You can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do that, throw it the brain the
Speaker 2: strange in the middle of field and give him a
Speaker 2: chance to run over one person to get eleven yards.
Speaker 6: It would have been interesting had they not had the
Speaker 6: holding penalty from there though. Sure, yes, I think the
Speaker 6: ball would have come down from from above. They let
Speaker 6: him go. Now, let them.
Speaker 1: Got you talked about.
Speaker 5: I mean, here's the reality of this game. They scored
Speaker 5: on the open drive. Seven No, not the opening drive.
Speaker 2: They scored? When did they? They did not?
Speaker 11: One?
Speaker 2: They scored on the short field.
Speaker 1: After the Jaguars scored on the short field the punt
Speaker 1: return and the hit out of bounds started at twenty
Speaker 1: nine yard Say it again that late first quarter, minute
Speaker 1: thirty to go in the first quarter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they scored that touchdown late first quarter on
Speaker 5: a short field. They got the ball at the thirty
Speaker 5: five after the penalty and the return, and so besides that,
Speaker 5: the only other points they got was a busted coverage.
Speaker 1: Correct, that's it.
Speaker 2: And so I get that they're saying, you know, yes,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 5: Have it, have been interesting to see if they didn't
Speaker 5: get that holding penalty and got the first down, what
Speaker 5: would have happened.
Speaker 2: But if you looked at the course of the game,
Speaker 2: they had not moved the ball at all.
Speaker 7: And that was a terrible play by Jones on that play.
Speaker 6: I don't know what he was doing. He had a
Speaker 6: rough go of it. But and you know that was
Speaker 6: he didn't even have to make a move, He just
Speaker 6: ran by him.
Speaker 2: It was a bust of coverage.
Speaker 5: I mean, Jack Jones is playing some sort of underneath
Speaker 5: zone with no help over the top.
Speaker 6: Now, he was fifteen yards the one he dropped. He
Speaker 6: made a good move on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he just ran by him and that
Speaker 2: was man coverage. He just beat him.
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Sure why you're putting Jack Jones man to man against
Speaker 2: too little.
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Speaker 4: We did have some injuries at the end of the
Speaker 4: season last year. I know Trevor wasn't completely you know,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent towards the end of the season last year.
Speaker 4: Obviously he's out this year, missing more weapons on offense,
Speaker 4: you know, and so it's just a it's it's a
Speaker 4: tough situation to be in. But at the same time, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna make you know,
Speaker 4: excuses for it.
Speaker 1: And you know, we we we.
Speaker 2: Are who we are and in.
Speaker 4: Right now we're just haven't and and really for you know,
Speaker 4: this season, we haven't been consistent enough in our play,
Speaker 4: you know, on the field, and so we all take
Speaker 4: responsibility and it's something we got to look hard at
Speaker 4: and try to try to fix.
Speaker 1: Head coach Doug Peterson Today the full press conference available
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Speaker 1: two of Jaguars Half Hour presented by Mister Chubby's Wings.
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Speaker 1: After a Jaguars lost to the Raiders nineteen to fourteen
Speaker 1: and ugly football game all around, the Jags offense struggled again,
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns, one on a short field, one on
Speaker 1: a blown coverage didn't do anything else really the rest
Speaker 1: of the day to giveaways in the first half, put
Speaker 1: the ball on the deck twice. The Jags defense allowed
Speaker 1: big plays to the Raiders, including tight end Brock Powers
Speaker 1: on the first play of the game on defense and
Speaker 1: just continued throughout the day five plays all out of
Speaker 1: seventeen or more yards and yesterday's game and the Raiders
Speaker 1: snapped a ten game losing skid with a winner with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, who are now three and twelve, two games
Speaker 1: to go home against the Titans, rode against the Colts,
Speaker 1: and a chance to sweep the season series against both
Speaker 1: of those teams. With the Jaguars, those are two of
Speaker 1: the three wins this year, and that's where we are.
Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, Tony Wasiscelli, Pete Prisco. It's Christmas week. Merry Christmas, guys,
Speaker 1: how are.
Speaker 2: You Merry Christmas? Merry Christmas.
Speaker 5: You know you talked about those two games coming up,
Speaker 5: that those are two of the three wins we have.
Speaker 5: But you're gonna see different teams, and we faced the
Speaker 5: Titans are gonna have Mason Rudolph. They're much more effective
Speaker 5: offensively even without Pete's franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6: They really are, because the rating is the same and
Speaker 6: their turnovers are the same, and he won.
Speaker 7: That good yesterday. That team stinks.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you're better. I'd rather let me put
Speaker 2: it this way.
Speaker 5: You're asking me who I'd rather face this week, and
Speaker 5: rather face Will Levis, and.
Speaker 7: Maybe he should play because the Jaguars need to lose
Speaker 7: that game.
Speaker 2: Is playing.
Speaker 6: No, I'm saying that that's you'd rather face Mason Rudolph
Speaker 6: to lose the game.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's all if you are losing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then a circle speed, get me spin it like a
Speaker 2: top heat right there.
Speaker 5: And then the Colts have Anthony Richardson as a quarterback.
Speaker 5: We did not face him the first time, so there's
Speaker 5: a run threat with him. They're not a passing team
Speaker 5: with him back there, but they run the ball effectively,
Speaker 5: and and Jonathan Taylor is a really good back.
Speaker 6: When the Colts look back on the season, if they
Speaker 6: don't make the playoffs, they're going to look back on
Speaker 6: that game they lost to Jacksonville and say, oh, no,
Speaker 6: how the hell did that happen? Because there they'd be
Speaker 6: smack dab. In fact, I think if they won that game,
Speaker 6: they'd be the they'd be the final team in the
Speaker 6: playoffs right now, they.
Speaker 7: Can still get in.
Speaker 6: They could still get in.
Speaker 2: They didn't help their own destiny. If they won that game.
Speaker 6: Correct and and or they would control their own destiny.
Speaker 6: Johnathan Deller didn't drop the ball, look.
Speaker 5: Back and dropping of the ball crossing the bowl and denver,
Speaker 5: they would have won that game. They control their own
Speaker 5: destiny as well. So they're still in it. We'll see
Speaker 5: after this week. Who do the Colts have this week?
Speaker 7: They play at the Giants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're going to be Is there any way
Speaker 5: they can get eliminated with the win this week?
Speaker 2: Pete?
Speaker 6: I think if the Broncos win, they get eliminated because
Speaker 6: they would have this. Wait, what's the Broncos record.
Speaker 1: Broncos are nine and six, so they're two games up
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if the Broncos win, they're eliminated.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And the Broncos play the Bengals not an easy game.
Speaker 6: Well, correct, and the Bengals are still alive by the way, yep,
Speaker 6: the Bengals have a checklist of things they need to happen.
Speaker 6: If the Bengals beat the Broncos and the Colts lose
Speaker 6: one more and the Dolphins lose one more and the
Speaker 6: Bengals win the last week and the Chiefs beat the Broncos,
Speaker 6: then there they win that they get in the playoffs. Nobody,
Speaker 6: Let's put this way. You'd rather have the Broncos in
Speaker 6: the playoffs and the Bengals in the playoffs. If you're
Speaker 6: a DAFC team, you.
Speaker 5: Don't want to play Joe Burrow and Jamorrow, Chase and
Speaker 5: t and that group and that Chase Brown's playing out
Speaker 5: of his.
Speaker 2: Mind right now.
Speaker 1: What about the Chargers? Peat Chargers are nine and six.
Speaker 1: What if they lose out? I mean, they're not guaranteed.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, I mean, look, there's a bunch of possibilities,
Speaker 6: but I do think that that the you know, look,
Speaker 6: if Denver loses two, here's the thing about the Bengals
Speaker 6: this week, they almost have to root for the Steelers
Speaker 6: because if the Chiefs beat the Steelers, they clinched the
Speaker 6: number one seed and they won't play people the last
Speaker 6: week of the season against Denver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need That's exactly right. You need Pittsford to
Speaker 2: win if you're if you're a Bengals.
Speaker 6: Fan, right and so and.
Speaker 2: And same with the Colts. The Colts want the Steelers
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 5: Correct, it's in me wild, but yeah, I guess my
Speaker 5: bigger point is different teams than we faced earlier in
Speaker 5: the season, just because of the quarterback situation on both
Speaker 5: for both teams.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and they seem to be like the Titans
Speaker 6: seemed to be going off the cliff too.
Speaker 7: I mean that game.
Speaker 6: I don't know, you didn't you see the final score
Speaker 6: that game was thirty to seven at one point? Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 7: It just they looked awful.
Speaker 6: They look lifeless. Yeah, garbage time stuff. It was never
Speaker 6: really a threat. I didn't think. But you know how,
Speaker 6: sometimes the team gets hot and they start coming back
Speaker 6: and things happened. But Jonathan Taylor ran for over two
Speaker 6: hundred yards and three touchdowns. He made up for No,
Speaker 6: he didn't, No, he didn't.
Speaker 1: Time now for oh go ahead, Pete.
Speaker 6: Sorry, No, I was gonna say. We got to talk
Speaker 6: a little bit about the defense too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in Jacksonville, lead us, Pete, where do you want
Speaker 5: to go to the defense?
Speaker 2: I got a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Well, let's let's make this keeping it real.
Speaker 1: Presented by Nobody and Nobody, uh still Week seventeen, Nobody defense.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it real.
Speaker 6: What do he got, Pete, Well, I will say that
Speaker 6: I thought the rookie tackle made some plays. Yes, I
Speaker 6: thought he made some plays. He got some pushed in
Speaker 6: the pocket, showed up and I gets pushed around a
Speaker 6: little bit in the run game.
Speaker 2: Maybe he made some nice plays in the run game too.
Speaker 6: The ones right at him. He gets pushed back. Sometimes
Speaker 6: he gets blown off the ball. But but you're right,
Speaker 6: he made some plays in the run game. I thought
Speaker 6: he made some plays in the passing game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sack three tackles, sack two tackles for loss pass defense, and.
Speaker 6: I think he's going to be really good.
Speaker 2: I get my biggest disappointment of this of this defense,
Speaker 2: I didn't think either end impacted the game at all.
Speaker 6: And that's not a eight group of tackles. I mean
Speaker 6: they're good. Colt Miller is a pretty good player. But
Speaker 6: the other guy on the other side of the rookie.
Speaker 5: And I thought, I watching the tape of the Raiders,
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, Josh and Trey von Agram Big Days
Speaker 5: did not and they did not. That was the biggest
Speaker 5: disappointment for me. Yeah, everything else nothing surprised me.
Speaker 6: Well, Armstead got a sack while he was lined up
Speaker 6: as an inside that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: So did you like what the rookie did to Tony?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought it was his best game of the year.
Speaker 6: Yeah. He actually was getting some power moves and stuff
Speaker 6: and he lifted guys off. I think he's got a chance.
Speaker 6: Hamilton the last two weeks has actually looked better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How about the other young guy? Myles Cole.
Speaker 7: Made a couple of plays. You know, made a play
Speaker 7: where he beat the tight end on the one run
Speaker 7: play that.
Speaker 2: Was beat brought Bowers on the inside that was played.
Speaker 6: By him, and then he beat Miller on a rush
Speaker 6: wants to get a hurry.
Speaker 7: Remember when he came around the corner.
Speaker 2: He called the hold on it. It was a phantom
Speaker 2: hold in my opinion, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think it was a hold either, but he beat him.
Speaker 6: But again, you know some of those Here's the thing,
Speaker 6: when you look at that defensive line. If you have
Speaker 6: a four man front next year, which is probably gonna
Speaker 6: have because most people do. But if you have a
Speaker 6: four man front Alan Walker Smith and a draft pick,
Speaker 6: because I personally think if we get asked this question
Speaker 6: a lot, who they should draft, what they should draft,
Speaker 6: and I know people like the pretty and Travis Hunter
Speaker 6: and that guy and this guy me. I would take
Speaker 6: the kid from Michigan and put him right there in
Speaker 6: the middle of that line and say, I have my
Speaker 6: four now, and now I can do so many different
Speaker 6: things because I have four of them, four guys, four
Speaker 6: guys who could do different things. And that'll give me
Speaker 6: my big guys up front, and now I can do
Speaker 6: different things and find guys in the back end and
Speaker 6: find another corner, because I.
Speaker 7: Think that changes the way you play.
Speaker 6: If you have four guys who are good upfront, a
Speaker 6: it's hard to double anybody, and I think that that
Speaker 6: changes the way you play on defense. It's the old
Speaker 6: Jimmy Johnson thing. If you have four guys who can rush,
Speaker 6: push the pocket, or four guys who were good getting
Speaker 6: after the quarterback, you don't need to be great on
Speaker 6: the back end.
Speaker 5: Well, here's a couple of before we get to the draft.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're playing, let's assume you're four to three.
Speaker 5: First thing I'm doing is talking to Eric Armstead saying
Speaker 5: you were playing defensive tackle in sub.
Speaker 6: Next year, that's the one as a backup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a rotational player, Okay, I would go get another speed.
Speaker 5: I think I would have Josh Allen Heinz Allen lose
Speaker 5: get back to the way he was last year.
Speaker 2: I think we go. I would also.
Speaker 5: Find another speed rusher, more speed on the outside, I
Speaker 5: would too, And the third down I'd kick Trayvon. I
Speaker 5: would play Tradeon inside and outside.
Speaker 6: Well, we've been pushing that for for how long now?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 5: And then as far as the draft, here's my question
Speaker 5: for you, Pete. Wherever we're picking the kid from Michigan
Speaker 5: fifty five.
Speaker 6: And I know what his name is, Mason Graham.
Speaker 2: Mason Graham and Travis Hunter on the board. Who you
Speaker 2: picking Graham?
Speaker 6: Me, I'm taking Graham. I think you can find a corner.
Speaker 6: I think you could find a receiver whatever you want
Speaker 6: to play him at. You can find those guys. Find
Speaker 6: the guys who can impact the game on your defensive
Speaker 6: and offensive line are so hard to find.
Speaker 2: Can he rush the passer?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, high school wrestler is it.
Speaker 6: He's relentless. He's relentless.
Speaker 7: He would bring an at you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I love guys that show emotion everything. That's one
Speaker 6: thing I noticed on Sunday. Guys make plays and nobody
Speaker 6: gives them anything. There's no jumping around, there's no emotion
Speaker 6: at all. They're the most I think I've ever seen
Speaker 6: in my life. There's nothing. You're a rookie. That's his
Speaker 6: first sack, right that that that was.
Speaker 1: His second second.
Speaker 6: But go celebrate it, jump up and down, show some emotion.
Speaker 6: Am I wrong? You would think the veterans would like
Speaker 6: be so thrilled to see a young kid getting a
Speaker 6: sack in a game like that. There was nothing, zero made.
Speaker 2: He did a nice little shimmy little dance.
Speaker 5: Yeah he did.
Speaker 7: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And and you know there's over the top celebrations and
Speaker 6: celebrating a tackle when a guy gets eighteen yards and
Speaker 6: standing up when your team's down, you know, twenty eight
Speaker 6: to nothing. But when he got made that play, the
Speaker 6: game was close, big play early. Go celebrate him, jump around,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's by the way, the same for the Armstead
Speaker 1: one too.
Speaker 6: Yes, talk smack to the other team, talk smack to
Speaker 6: the other offensive lineman. There's nothing. It's robotic, it's lifeless.
Speaker 6: It just it looks checked out. That's what it looked like.
Speaker 1: I remember the seventeen team and all those sacks. I
Speaker 1: mean those guys would celebrate just walking on the field.
Speaker 6: I mean, they probably went above and beyond right.
Speaker 1: But they deserved it. They were that good.
Speaker 2: They were like, you know what it is he it
Speaker 2: does look like anyone's having fun.
Speaker 6: No fun. No.
Speaker 5: The two things that jump out of me this overall
Speaker 5: this year the urgency at the start of games, like
Speaker 5: just the passionate urgency coming out and having fun.
Speaker 2: And it's a hard game and it's hard to have
Speaker 2: fun clear three and twelve. I get that.
Speaker 5: But you got to create your own emotion, your own
Speaker 5: energy as a player. And when guys make plays, you
Speaker 5: gotta enjoy it. You got to enjoy the big plays,
Speaker 5: the exciting stuff and celebrate.
Speaker 6: Did you notice that too?
Speaker 7: Am I the only one that notice?
Speaker 2: I've noticed it all year?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just they don't. There's no jumping around and
Speaker 6: and and team celebrations and enjoying each other and and
Speaker 6: you know, talking smack and it just looks lifeless to me.
Speaker 6: And I hate that. I can't stand that. I the
Speaker 6: game is an emotional game. You have to show it.
Speaker 6: And a guy makes a play, go go rally to him.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just it's it's to me, it's it's
Speaker 6: a bad look.
Speaker 1: Here you have it, keeping it real, presented by nobody
Speaker 1: back in a moment. Oh year, Oh here, I don't.
Speaker 2: There's a want.
Speaker 7: Where's the sales department?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Holiday, I guess well the fanatics fan questions when we
Speaker 1: come back, It's Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by mister Chubby's Wings.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shaddick, Tony Boselli,
Speaker 1: and Pete Priscoe after a Jaguars lost to the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders nineteen fourteen. Jaguars three and twelve, currently third
Speaker 1: in the projected draft order for twenty twenty five according
Speaker 1: to tankathon dot com. If you're into that, they this
Speaker 1: particular website works to strength the schedule out the rest
Speaker 1: of the season. And so the Jaguars currently third in
Speaker 1: their draft order, Giants and Patriots ahead of them, Titans,
Speaker 1: Brown's Raiders all at three and twelve, and then the Panthers, Jets, Bears,
Speaker 1: and Saints. That's a lot to look forward to in
Speaker 1: the offseason. We so this is our draft talk. We
Speaker 1: always drop talk a little draft just to appease Pete
Speaker 1: in this show, and this checking the box before Christmas.
Speaker 2: JP and Pete would be safe to say.
Speaker 5: If we lose out, we need the Patriots to lose
Speaker 5: one game to get to the two spot.
Speaker 2: We need the Giants to lose two games to get
Speaker 2: to the one spot. That packered.
Speaker 5: I don't know what the Strangth schedules for the Giants,
Speaker 5: but I'm assuming that's what.
Speaker 6: Well, and okay, the Giants have the Colts and then
Speaker 6: the Eagles on the road. Now, well, the Eagles need
Speaker 6: the game, probably because for the one seed. Try to
Speaker 6: get the one seed after what happened yesterday, So so.
Speaker 7: The Giants are going to lose two games probably.
Speaker 5: I don't have but Pete, I don't think the Eagles
Speaker 5: can get the one seed if the Lions win next
Speaker 5: week because didn't the the.
Speaker 6: Vikings the last game the season, So could end up
Speaker 6: that the winner of that game gets the one seed.
Speaker 1: That my Sunday night football game that might be the
Speaker 1: last game of the season.
Speaker 5: I guess My point is, but the Eagles will be
Speaker 5: out of it regardless is my point?
Speaker 6: It could be, yes, but like if Minnesota lost to
Speaker 6: green Bay this week and green Bay still chant, that
Speaker 6: was still chance. But yeah, but if either way the
Speaker 6: Giants probably aren't gonna Giants are playing backups as it
Speaker 6: is now, They're probably not gonna beat the backup Eagles,
Speaker 6: so they're probably gonna lose too. Straight, they'll have the
Speaker 6: number one pick, the first overall pick. Then the Patriots play,
Speaker 6: I mean, they play the Chargers this week at home,
Speaker 6: and they close out with who Buffalo?
Speaker 2: He played Buffalo?
Speaker 7: They played playing again the last week last three ye
Speaker 7: So but again.
Speaker 6: Does Buffalo gonna the game?
Speaker 5: Probably probably not, because if they're two behind the Chiefs now.
Speaker 6: Right, if the Chiefs, if the Chiefs win Wednesday, If
Speaker 6: the Chiefs win Wednesday, Buffalo is locked in as as
Speaker 6: the two yep, So if that happens, right, aren't they
Speaker 6: they have how many losses they have? They have three
Speaker 6: and the North winner has five five and they beat
Speaker 6: the Race and they lost to the Ravens though, so
Speaker 6: it could be. But but as it probably all likelihood,
Speaker 6: they won't need to win, and so New England could
Speaker 6: win that last game Jacksonville loses two and they end
Speaker 6: up with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: Let's say we stay at three or.
Speaker 6: The number two overall pick.
Speaker 5: So let's say that the order states as is Okay,
Speaker 5: the Giants are gonna take a quarterback.
Speaker 2: And so are the and so are the Patriots are
Speaker 2: not but.
Speaker 6: They would trade out of there, and somebody would go
Speaker 6: up to get that pick.
Speaker 2: Why would they traded the Patriots? Why wouldn't they trade
Speaker 2: with us?
Speaker 6: Oh and tell yeah they could. Yeah, you're right, Well,
Speaker 6: you know how that works. Somebody could be worried that
Speaker 6: the big you know, and the Patriots are going to
Speaker 6: make a deal. You know how that works. So yeah,
Speaker 6: there'd probably be the Patriots to trade out of there,
Speaker 6: and then you'd be sitting there at number three.
Speaker 5: So at number three we stay in this order, and
Speaker 5: number three, most likely we'll have the best non quarterback
Speaker 5: player available to us.
Speaker 6: Correct, because there's not another quarterback that somebody's going to
Speaker 6: go up and get right. So your choice would probably
Speaker 6: be between Hunter Graham, Graham, and I'll throw another name
Speaker 6: in there, Abdul Carter from Penn State State. The pass rusher,
Speaker 6: explosive dynamic and you look at it and you say, well,
Speaker 6: where would he play? Well, that goes to your old theory, Tony,
Speaker 6: getting another guy that can can influence the quarterback and
Speaker 6: move and Walker inside. Yeah, I still think Walker if
Speaker 6: he played inside, could hold up a in the run
Speaker 6: game if he played there full time, and be a
Speaker 6: good pass rusher on the inside.
Speaker 2: On first and second down. I wouldn't put him with
Speaker 2: a three technique though.
Speaker 6: Not a three tech. But you could play him that.
Speaker 6: You could play him, You could play him in there.
Speaker 6: You could make him a three hundred pounder if you
Speaker 6: wanted to.
Speaker 2: He's a big He's a big dude.
Speaker 6: That's a big frame, Tony, Oh gosh, could he not
Speaker 6: be like Kalayis Campbell?
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe that's a fair point. I mean Clays was.
Speaker 5: I mean early in Klays's career, he was much.
Speaker 6: Leaner correct, And I think he could be that. And
Speaker 6: and so I mean that's one possibility. If you decided
Speaker 6: to like the speedy edge rusher more than you like
Speaker 6: the interior defensive lineman, you.
Speaker 7: Could go that route too. But and then the other
Speaker 7: possibility is hunter.
Speaker 1: Is he Is he a generational corner? Pete?
Speaker 6: I think I think he's a corner, and I think
Speaker 6: he's a real good one that you could use on
Speaker 6: as a weapon and offense as well. Yeah, but I
Speaker 6: think he's a corner.
Speaker 1: But is he that good?
Speaker 6: Is he the you know, he's really good. He's he's
Speaker 6: really good. But yeah, I mean like the kid at Michigan,
Speaker 6: Will Johnson, really good corner too, really good quick.
Speaker 2: You know what makes corners really good?
Speaker 6: Pass rush past rush, right, Well, Colorado doesn't have great
Speaker 6: pass right, they have decent ones.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking to the pros, Bete Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Correct. We've seen a lot of really good defenses not
Speaker 6: have great corners over the years, going back to nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty five Bears, it's hard pressed to find the names
Speaker 6: of those two guys that played started on those teams.
Speaker 6: One became a head coach, Leslie Frasier. He was one
Speaker 6: of them. Mike Richardson was the other one. Weren't great.
Speaker 6: The Ravens corners on those teams. Hell, Jimmy Smith abused
Speaker 6: Dwayne Starts for three hundred yards in one game. They
Speaker 6: weren't great corners. You know, you're right. Chris McCallister was
Speaker 6: a pretty good player on that team though, he's a
Speaker 6: pretty good corner. But they weren't great corners. They were great,
Speaker 6: great lines on those teams though.
Speaker 2: Great great front seven.
Speaker 7: Correct, correct both of them.
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Speaker 1: one at B for Brendan should do he have been
Speaker 1: playing more at safety this year? Well, we've gone over
Speaker 1: this already.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you have been kind of defined this year.
Speaker 5: He was hurt for you know, two thirds of the season,
Speaker 5: so he's really only been back and bump. You could
Speaker 5: argue he should have been playing more last week on defense,
Speaker 5: but he had to get his legs back underneath him.
Speaker 5: He had a pretty significant knee injury. And so if
Speaker 5: you're asking me, now, do I think he's playing? Yes,
Speaker 5: based on what I saw yesterday, he should be the.
Speaker 6: Here's the other part of that is would he have
Speaker 6: been starting if he doesn't get hurt?
Speaker 7: And I say the answer to that is.
Speaker 2: No, he but he might have by now.
Speaker 6: By now he would have been, But I'm saying he
Speaker 6: would not have started the season as a starter.
Speaker 2: He would not have no.
Speaker 1: Next question from X earlier today at CHOB sixteen t realistically,
Speaker 1: what will teams trade to the Jaguars for their draft
Speaker 1: position if they need a quarterback, like the Raiders are
Speaker 1: giants just today.
Speaker 5: The company, Well, if you have the number one O
Speaker 5: Wall pick, they trade a big ransom.
Speaker 6: To the right. If they don't.
Speaker 7: If they if they're at three, the two quarterbacks are gone.
Speaker 6: They're not getting squat douche for it.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 6: Up.
Speaker 2: They aren't getting trade up for Travis Hunter to three.
Speaker 7: No either, No, they aren't getting what for it?
Speaker 1: Pete, what was that word he used?
Speaker 6: Squad doosh zero? Nothing? Squat dosh?
Speaker 1: Was that? I'd never heard that before.
Speaker 2: You never heard of that.
Speaker 7: No, my man's a big green if you know what
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 6: Wow, you don't remember that from One on one the
Speaker 6: movie way before your time. Tony probably saw it because
Speaker 6: he's a Colorado kid. It was filmed Colorado. Do you remember, Tony?
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. Who was in it?
Speaker 6: Maybe Robbie Benson was a basketball player and he went
Speaker 6: to college on a full ride and it's kind of
Speaker 6: loosely based on U. C. L A. And he gets
Speaker 6: there and they beat the daylights out of him or whatever,
Speaker 6: you know, because they want to take away scholarship. You
Speaker 6: don't remember that, But Anyways, he walks into a into
Speaker 6: a party and he's like, I guess it was a party.
Speaker 7: They were doing drugs or something and they go.
Speaker 6: He goes, they have straws in their noses and the
Speaker 6: guy goes, ignore him. My man's a big greed, if
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So that's like he's never
Speaker 6: been around the world. That's like JP's never been around Yeah, Pete.
Speaker 1: Next question, jamp.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a problem when you have to explain to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a long explanation.
Speaker 6: You guys are too young. You don't remember the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the youngest of all three. Remember that. At
Speaker 1: Eric M. Davenport, Pete consistently talks about this time of
Speaker 1: year being about good losses where young guys play well,
Speaker 1: because yesterday count as a good loss considering who we
Speaker 1: lost to.
Speaker 2: No, No, Well, well, here's the thing. It depends who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 5: I think for the fan base, they're probably excited we
Speaker 5: lost because you want to You got the third overall pick.
Speaker 2: Now they probably want you to lose the next two.
Speaker 5: But if you look at the overall organization and losing
Speaker 5: to that team who had lost ten straight, it's a
Speaker 5: gut punch when every coach, player, in front office, person
Speaker 5: in the building.
Speaker 6: It's it's amazing that you don't see what I when
Speaker 6: I say that though, that there are good losses if
Speaker 6: the players play well, the young players grow, and.
Speaker 2: I see it. I'm talking talking about the people.
Speaker 6: Oh, the people are playing the game. No, you know.
Speaker 6: Then again, then again, you didn't see much emotion from
Speaker 6: anybody either way, So maybe.
Speaker 7: They don't give a crap.
Speaker 5: But it's a bad look losing to it a Raiders
Speaker 5: team that had lost ten straight.
Speaker 6: Well, you are the Raiders. Let's not forget that. They're
Speaker 6: the Raiders.
Speaker 2: That's the Raiders. Pete. I'm glad you said that because
Speaker 2: that is what's painful for me and maybe what it
Speaker 2: is and this is like maybe the first step to
Speaker 2: recovery is for all of us to look in the
Speaker 2: mirror and say, that's us.
Speaker 6: That's exactly who they are.
Speaker 2: That's us.
Speaker 7: And you know what I always say about the Raiders
Speaker 7: commitment to excrement.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sign off on that.
Speaker 5: But you know, because we talk about and I'm guilty this,
Speaker 5: we talked about bad franchises, bad teams like the Jets,
Speaker 5: the Raiders, you know, the Browns, you know whoever, just
Speaker 5: go down the list.
Speaker 2: Panthers, that's us right now, that's us, it's who we are.
Speaker 1: Panthers have a better record.
Speaker 7: For the last year and a half.
Speaker 6: That's exactly who this franchise has been. And that's what
Speaker 6: the worst teams in the NFL, that's what's painful. Right
Speaker 6: But until they start realizing it then and you talk
Speaker 6: about the pain of the.
Speaker 7: Loss, nobody showed any emotion at all.
Speaker 6: Ever. So so when a guy plays well, If I
Speaker 6: see the rookie defensive tackle playing well and they lost,
Speaker 6: that's progress. Brian Thomas played well and they lost, that's progress.
Speaker 6: Strange in the last couple of weeks, when he plays
Speaker 6: well and they lost, that's progress.
Speaker 5: So this was If the draft holds as it is,
Speaker 5: that's three out of five years we've had top five picks.
Speaker 6: The story would be so much better if it was
Speaker 6: the first overall back.
Speaker 2: I mean said, it can't happen.
Speaker 6: Uhuh, it can't happen. It's not happening. But that's how
Speaker 6: bad the Giants are.
Speaker 2: But they'd be just out of curiousity. What's the Giant
Speaker 2: strength of schedule? Can you look at it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's better than the Jags. So in theory, yeah.
Speaker 2: And we lose out we have the number one overall pick.
Speaker 6: Yes, in theory, but it's not gonna Well, what's the
Speaker 6: Patriots is Jacksonville's worst two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have the same record right now. So
Speaker 1: in theory, if they played it out, which they do
Speaker 1: to determine this on that website, the Patriots would be.
Speaker 6: So if the Patriots won, if the Patriots and Jaguars
Speaker 6: both have the same record.
Speaker 1: It looks like the Patriots would have the second pick.
Speaker 7: Jackson would have the first pick, the third pick, the
Speaker 7: third pick.
Speaker 1: If the Giants lose, then.
Speaker 6: What if the Giants win one?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 7: I mean, the the best part of the whole thing
Speaker 7: would be if they pick.
Speaker 1: First, because it's never happened in the three times in
Speaker 1: a five year span.
Speaker 6: Every just goes to show you where the franchise is.
Speaker 7: Usually when you draft first overall.
Speaker 5: One, Oh, bon pete, you're telling me, is it any
Speaker 5: different if we're drafting third?
Speaker 7: Just for the narrative, for the narrative, what changes?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not different.
Speaker 2: It's not different. So we lost, we like, Okay, let's
Speaker 2: just play this out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but when somebody's saying, we won three games and
Speaker 5: we're picking third, we don't have the first pick.
Speaker 6: Give me up. But Tony, you know, during draft they'll say, oh,
Speaker 6: this is the third time they've been picking in the
Speaker 6: top five in the in the last three year. Is
Speaker 6: not gonna be the same as you're picking first overall
Speaker 6: three times in the last five years.
Speaker 1: He wants the headline. He wants the headline.
Speaker 6: I want the headline.
Speaker 2: Let's just call it.
Speaker 6: It's it's embarrassing, it's terrible, and and and when you're
Speaker 6: a fan sitting out there, that's why they're all calling
Speaker 6: for change, every one of them. Did they look at
Speaker 6: that and then the flip side of it, and somebody
Speaker 6: will say, well, look they got that star wide receiver
Speaker 6: later in the first round. Okay, well you can balance
Speaker 6: it out by saying you didn't do this in the
Speaker 6: first round. He didn't do that in the first round.
Speaker 6: He didn't do that in the second round.
Speaker 1: Cale was a first rounder.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's got four sacks in the last three games,
Speaker 6: and he had an interception that was called back.
Speaker 7: He didn't by the way that that play was going nowhere.
Speaker 6: If he doesn't knock the ball down. There was a
Speaker 6: guy right there ready to make the play. Is Caleb on,
Speaker 6: Chase On? Could he have helped this team as a
Speaker 6: situational rusher?
Speaker 2: Is he better than Cohle's Hell?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: The answer. There's your answer, Peat.
Speaker 6: But you know what happened. He didn't get drafted by
Speaker 6: this guy.
Speaker 2: He was in the building when they drafted him.
Speaker 6: He didn't draft him.
Speaker 11: Use the assistant GM dude, he ain't taking credit for
Speaker 11: that one.
Speaker 7: Come on, I didn't draft that.
Speaker 6: Come on, you know, you know he pushes that on.
Speaker 7: And it was a bad draft, terrible draft.
Speaker 6: That was a terrible draft.
Speaker 2: I get my bigger point. Pize this.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make me feel any better if we pick
Speaker 5: third instead of first. In fact, at this point, if
Speaker 5: you're gonna need this badge, mules will picked first. He
Speaker 5: can trade down and get more picks.
Speaker 1: Listen to him, Pete, listen. Let you I think he's
Speaker 1: turned the corner.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm always a big believer in trading down and
Speaker 7: get more picks.
Speaker 6: But it's also if we were arguing in the court
Speaker 6: of law and gave twelve reasons why the guy is guilty,
Speaker 6: and we presented all our evidence. The jury would come
Speaker 6: back in about twenty two minutes with a verdict. Okay, guilty, guilty, Okay,
Speaker 6: look at the proof is in the pudding. You're shaking
Speaker 6: your head, JP, but the proof is in the pudding.
Speaker 6: There's nothing you can there's no other way to argue
Speaker 6: the case. The other way. You could have the greatest
Speaker 6: you could have every attorney in the world on the
Speaker 6: other side. And I'm still winning because I got the
Speaker 6: facts to lay them out.
Speaker 1: That's it for fanatics fan questions today. We're back in
Speaker 1: a moment. Well around the way.
Speaker 6: I'd be a really good attorney.
Speaker 1: Gosh, can you imagine you in a courtroom, just hammered
Speaker 1: away the windows. Oh, we're back in a moment. We'll
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Speaker 1: Nineteen fourteen, It's time to go around the National Football
Speaker 1: League In week sixteen, and yes Thursday game Chargers beat
Speaker 1: the Broncos thirty four to twenty seven, both of those
Speaker 1: teams fighting for a wild card spot. The Chargers gotta win.
Speaker 1: Do the Broncos have the juice? Do they have enough peat?
Speaker 6: I don't know. It all depends on what the Chiefs do.
Speaker 6: If the Chiefs don't play in the final week of
Speaker 6: the season, I think the Broncos get in. If the
Speaker 6: Chiefs play the final week of the season, their need to.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be tough, tough sledding for the Broncos to
Speaker 6: get in.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I don't think the Broncos are doing
Speaker 5: anything in the playoffs one and two. Let's give Sean
Speaker 5: Payton a ton of credit because they're probably a year
Speaker 5: or two ahead of where they thought they'd be. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think they got fifty million or sixty million dollars
Speaker 5: of dead money on the on the cap.
Speaker 1: Because of the Wilson. Yeah, because so Wilson.
Speaker 2: I think we lost Pete. Oh are you there?
Speaker 6: Okay, you must have lost my picture for some reason,
Speaker 6: any idea I could see you guys.
Speaker 1: That's what we call in the business and improvement.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 6: Much better then they would go to the one on
Speaker 6: the left and knock that one out real quick.
Speaker 2: I mean, Pete, I think you'd agree.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're ahead of schedule and they've done a
Speaker 5: great job because I don't think anyone saw the Broncos
Speaker 5: making a move this year for the playoffs, rooking quarterback,
Speaker 5: a lot of dead money on the cap because of
Speaker 5: the Russell Wilson trade, so their hands were tied a
Speaker 5: little bit, and they've got a great year. So whatever happens,
Speaker 5: I think the Broncos are gonna say, hey, we are
Speaker 5: poised for the future.
Speaker 2: We have our franchise quarterback, we have our head coach.
Speaker 2: Let's go build it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean they're in a great situation. And he wanted
Speaker 6: that quarterback and he got him, and here he might
Speaker 6: make the playoffs.
Speaker 7: They got a lot of young players on that team,
Speaker 7: good young players.
Speaker 1: I was so excited about Saturday because of the three
Speaker 1: college football playoff games and the two NFL games. The
Speaker 1: playoff college games were not great, and then the NFL games,
Speaker 1: Chiefs over the Texans twenty seven to nineteen. The Ravens
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers thirty four to seventeen. These games even
Speaker 1: were not even close people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a good.
Speaker 2: Steelers game. Was much closer than the.
Speaker 1: Score, right, because they had the picks the whole thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the Chiefs game was relatively close for most
Speaker 6: of that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're right, I'm wrong, you're right.
Speaker 2: The college football, though, it was atrocian.
Speaker 7: It was terrible. It was terrible.
Speaker 6: I don't know if the ratings came out today, I
Speaker 6: haven't seen them, but I imagine the NFL crushed them.
Speaker 1: I saw some some tweet earlier that Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like seven something and six and a half for the
Speaker 1: other one NFL games, and then all the all the
Speaker 1: biggest Tennessee Ohio State was like five and low fives
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 6: You know, the other thing about it is that everybody's
Speaker 6: giving Oh, how dare the NFL play on Saturday? When
Speaker 6: college foot the NFL played on Saturday for decades after
Speaker 6: the after the Army Navy game, college football made a mistake.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to stay at the obvious NFL's king.
Speaker 2: They gonna do what they want. Yeah, guess what they're
Speaker 2: also going to play.
Speaker 5: They also never playing Christmas because that was supposedly the
Speaker 5: NBA day.
Speaker 2: Not anymore, no.
Speaker 6: In fact, we got two games on Chris too sold
Speaker 6: them to Netflix. They're on Netflix.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so let's hope the streaming service works
Speaker 5: a little bit better than that Jake Paul fight on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that works better.
Speaker 5: But I mean, the NFL's king, and when the King
Speaker 5: wants to play a game, they play a game, and
Speaker 5: everyone else has to get out of the way.
Speaker 6: Except on Friday during the high school season.
Speaker 2: They can't because they don't want to.
Speaker 6: Well they can't not allowed by law.
Speaker 7: There's old law in books that they can't do it.
Speaker 5: But again, again, they wouldn't want to play on They
Speaker 5: actually don't want to compete against college eena because that's
Speaker 5: the growing of the game, especially high school.
Speaker 2: They don't want to. Sorry, my battery is about to that.
Speaker 1: And my compete, Pete was that. By the way, what
Speaker 1: what year was that or were you there when they
Speaker 1: enacted that?
Speaker 6: No, that was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking you for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, I think I was alive, but I don't think
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 6: I was around. And here here's the other thing is, uh,
Speaker 6: don't everybody's got to watch at one o'clock in New
Speaker 6: Year's Day. I gotta watch that one.
Speaker 2: Is that Arizona State.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm worried about that one. I didn't want to
Speaker 6: play Texas.
Speaker 5: I am pete. You know what, Send me an Arizona
Speaker 5: State T shirt. I will take a picture, I'll wear it.
Speaker 5: I would be hard for the sun Devils in that game.
Speaker 6: If I could get you one, I'll send you one.
Speaker 2: I'll wear it, take a picture, because I want the
Speaker 2: sun Devils to win.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but there's Texas is so big.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have a chance and you know what,
Speaker 2: to win, but I want them to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't think they're too ASU will score on Texas.
Speaker 6: I just don't think they'll stop them. They're too big.
Speaker 7: Have you seen Texas offensive line, it's enormous.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Some of the NFL games, Falcons big over the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Panthers beat the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Falcons game.
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix in his first NFL starting getting to win
Speaker 5: as a rookie.
Speaker 6: It was like, did some good, did some bad.
Speaker 7: It wasn't great, but he made some throws and he
Speaker 7: looked comfortable.
Speaker 6: And and now now we'll really see what he does
Speaker 6: because they play on the road as the team that's
Speaker 6: leading the division against the Commanders on Sunday night, first
Speaker 6: road game beat.
Speaker 1: What the hell happened to Kyle Pitts in Atlanta? He
Speaker 1: tipped that ball for the own interception?
Speaker 6: What's going on with Yeah, he's just not He had
Speaker 6: had the one rookie year and then after that it's
Speaker 6: been disastered.
Speaker 7: He's been a bust. Top ten pick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, remember him coming out of Florida. Everyone thought
Speaker 5: he was going to be the second coming.
Speaker 1: Remember Urban was talking about trying to trade up to
Speaker 1: get Remember that.
Speaker 7: Urban also wanted to draft Tony.
Speaker 6: Remember he wanted to when they drafted Etn he wanted
Speaker 6: Kadarius Tony.
Speaker 1: That's true. Panthers over the Cardinals thirty six thirty. Panthers
Speaker 1: now have a better record than the Jags, and the
Speaker 1: Lions beat the Bears. How about the fake fumble play touchdown?
Speaker 1: I mean, then why pull that out?
Speaker 6: Now? Well, well there must be some variation off of that,
Speaker 6: but I'll be honest with you, I didn't like to play.
Speaker 6: You could leak that tight end out without doing the trip,
Speaker 6: the fake trip. What if he what if he fell
Speaker 6: really fell and tripped. It's a sack.
Speaker 2: Does it matter. They're gonna win no matter what.
Speaker 6: Man, No, but I don't know. It's almost like, look,
Speaker 6: he gets creative. I love his creator activity. I just
Speaker 6: don't think you need it. The guy would have leaked out.
Speaker 6: Everybody runs that play the tight end leak you go
Speaker 6: do you? You know you you get him out? He
Speaker 6: actually his block and he comes across the formation.
Speaker 1: With this Lions tea with you man, let him have fun?
Speaker 7: Is that fun?
Speaker 6: Kind of fun? I I just because you gotta look
Speaker 6: at it from the stand What if he actually did
Speaker 6: fall down, then it's a sack.
Speaker 2: He can fall down any play. He didn't.
Speaker 6: Do you stumble and fumble all over yourself on every play, Tony,
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 2: Pose idiot, he was under control.
Speaker 6: Oh he could fall I didn't like it.
Speaker 5: I mean, Pete, like, I'm gonna go back to what
Speaker 5: you said about this Jaguars team.
Speaker 2: They don't have fun. They need more fun.
Speaker 6: That were fun. Yeah, he leaks if he just leaks
Speaker 6: out normally body in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Every fan loved it except for you. Pete.
Speaker 1: You are totally rich.
Speaker 2: Crisco is what your name is?
Speaker 6: Well, I just look at it from a practical standpoint,
Speaker 6: it was a practice.
Speaker 2: Will give me a break. There's nothing like you pick
Speaker 2: and choose when you want to be practiced.
Speaker 6: No, I don't, No, I don't. I just I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't think it was that great a play.
Speaker 1: And you always seem to pick it. We're talking about
Speaker 1: the Lions. H you always seem to pick the to
Speaker 1: be practical when we talk about the Lions, you can't
Speaker 1: stand there.
Speaker 6: You lot of stupid things.
Speaker 2: They're four, they're thirteen to.
Speaker 6: Two, but they all do. They also would have been
Speaker 6: in the super Bowl last year if they didn't do
Speaker 6: the stupid things.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, they're thirteen and two with like eleven guys
Speaker 2: on IR.
Speaker 6: This is because the team is good. They're a good team.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they're not a good team. Did I
Speaker 6: ever say that? No?
Speaker 2: But you're being very negative, and I'm tired of your negativity.
Speaker 2: I have enough negativity in my life with the franchise.
Speaker 2: I love Pete. I don't need more out of you.
Speaker 6: Well, you're also partial to that franchise, going not you
Speaker 6: love the Lions because your buddy's a coach on that team.
Speaker 2: I love their quarterback coach. But that's about it.
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Speaker 1: Browns twenty five four to six. Colts beat the Titans
Speaker 1: thirty eight to thirty. The Rams over the Jets nineteen
Speaker 1: to nine, but the Commanders beat the Eagles thirty six
Speaker 1: thirty three. Jaden Daniels is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6: Pete thought he was the best quarterback in the draft
Speaker 6: going in, and he's the best quarterback in the draft
Speaker 6: right now. And he's special. He plays with an ease
Speaker 6: and a calm, and you know that's the thing that
Speaker 6: stands out about him. Fourth and eleven, scrambles for twenty yards,
Speaker 6: has the ability to go get outside the pocket. But boy,
Speaker 6: he could make some throws that you just go wow,
Speaker 6: including the touchdown. I mean, he's They have themselves a
Speaker 6: quarter That's a great situation in Washington because they have
Speaker 6: money and they have a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: What about the Eagles peat, I mean, Jalen Hurts concussion protocol,
Speaker 5: so you know it's a coin flip whether it'll be
Speaker 5: ready this week or not.
Speaker 2: My guess is yes he will be. But without Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7: They didn't lose because they didn't have Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6: They lost because the defense that was number one ranked
Speaker 6: in all year, it couldn't stop them.
Speaker 7: But they needed to stop them.
Speaker 2: I mean that's fair because they did score thirty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. But yeah, James Daniels special.
Speaker 5: Speaking of rookie quarterbacks, Pete, I was reading today about
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. I mean I follow him just because the
Speaker 5: best seat. I mean, James Daniels is clearly the better
Speaker 5: player this year as a rookie. But Caleb Williams sneaking
Speaker 5: having a sneaky good year for all that he's going
Speaker 5: through with the you know how unstable that franchise is gone,
Speaker 5: through multiple coordinators, head coaches. I mean, he has nineteen touchdowns,
Speaker 5: only five picks, and has thrown for the sixth most
Speaker 5: yards in the history of the Bears French franchise with
Speaker 5: just over thirty two hundred.
Speaker 6: He does have a tendency to get a lot of
Speaker 6: the somebody called them the Caleb Blake bortles Williams the
Speaker 6: other day because he has a tennis to get him,
Speaker 6: get him late in the game.
Speaker 11: But he's not throwing no, And you know it's amazing
Speaker 11: because he can make some throws that you look at
Speaker 11: him and you go, oh my gosh, what a throw,
Speaker 11: and then he spins around on the next play for
Speaker 11: about forty two minutes.
Speaker 6: So he's got talent. He'll be fine. He's gonna be
Speaker 6: a good player.
Speaker 1: He threw four touchdowns against the Jags and then had
Speaker 1: four games without one, and now he has five consecutive games,
Speaker 1: four of those with multiple touchdowns.
Speaker 7: He's getting better.
Speaker 2: I think he has nineteen touchdowns in the air.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 7: He's he's getting better and he will be fine.
Speaker 6: I just don't think he's the other.
Speaker 1: Guy vikings over the Seahawks twenty seven to twenty four.
Speaker 1: Bills beat the Patriots. They had a rally to do it,
Speaker 1: but they did it. And the Dolphins.
Speaker 7: Is that not a classic?
Speaker 6: By the way, team wins big game on the road
Speaker 6: against the Lions, that comes home and plays a bad
Speaker 6: team and he kind of goes through the motions for
Speaker 6: two quarters, looks up and goes h oh, and then
Speaker 6: they found the way out of it.
Speaker 1: Figure.
Speaker 6: I do think it was.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that they finally announced that Josh Allen's been
Speaker 5: playing with a broken hand.
Speaker 7: Yeah, on his non throwing.
Speaker 2: Hand, but I don't care it's broken.
Speaker 5: And guy plays quarterback like very few people do in
Speaker 5: the NFL.
Speaker 6: He's a power runner like a linebacker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he is so good, Pete. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean and.
Speaker 5: Game as wrong as you were about Will Levis and
Speaker 5: Christian Ponder. You held your guns over the first two
Speaker 5: or three years of Josh Allen's career, saying he was
Speaker 5: going to be a star, and boy he is.
Speaker 7: You gotta give me Patrick Mahomes too, because I was
Speaker 7: on him too.
Speaker 6: Okay, So you're so zero for two with Ponder and Levis,
Speaker 6: but two for two with the other two. Five I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm like an NFL general manager, I got fifty.
Speaker 2: Weren't a lot of people on Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: No, that were not. They weren't as many as you think. Really,
Speaker 6: I could look at it.
Speaker 2: I was always big on Josh Allen, so I was
Speaker 2: with you on that one.
Speaker 1: Dolphins over the Niners. The Cowboys beat the Buccaneers, which
Speaker 1: means the Falcons are in the driver's seat in the
Speaker 1: NFC South.
Speaker 6: That's a bad loss for the Bucks.
Speaker 5: But but are they really as really in the driver's seat?
Speaker 5: They gotta go to the Commanders. I don't see them
Speaker 5: winning that game.
Speaker 6: On Sunday night, I mean, and the Bucks play host
Speaker 6: to the Saints and the Panthers to close out their season.
Speaker 6: If you had to pick which team would be the
Speaker 6: team that represents the division? Who would you bead was
Speaker 6: the Bucks? Yeah, but they didn't play well last night.
Speaker 5: No, I agree, I'm not. I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 5: that Falcons can. I'm saying they have the harder road,
Speaker 5: much harder.
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football, the five and nine New Orleans Saints,
Speaker 1: with nobody left to play on the field, visit Lambea
Speaker 1: to face the ten and four Green Bay Packers. Will
Speaker 1: win and the Packers secure a spot in the NFC playoffs.
Speaker 1: Who you got in Green Bay? I think I know
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 6: Look, come on, I mean, I haven't seen a team
Speaker 6: this deb seeded since the forty nine ers. But I
Speaker 6: mean you look at this team. Derek Carr not there,
Speaker 6: Kamara not there. All the receivers are down, all of them.
Speaker 6: They're playing a bunch of guys off the street. Defensively,
Speaker 6: they're banged up.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is this is a bad football team
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 5: Could they not flec They can't flex mondayday nights.
Speaker 6: No, they flex Sunday and they flex Thursday, but they're
Speaker 6: not flexing Monday.
Speaker 2: They should flex Monday. Because not that there was a
Speaker 2: great slate of game Sunday.
Speaker 1: But but the Packers though, and they can clinch a
Speaker 1: playoff spot. That's why they're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's against the Saints. Then we're gonna watch
Speaker 2: I mean I'll watch it.
Speaker 6: Everybody will watch it. The NFL, of course they'll watch it.
Speaker 6: Stop it.
Speaker 1: There you have it looked around the National Football League? Pete?
Speaker 1: What are your holiday plans this week?
Speaker 6: What do you I'm working, uh, and then going out
Speaker 6: to dinner with my father and UH and my wife
Speaker 6: and we'll have a nice little time going out to
Speaker 6: a nice Italian restaurant.
Speaker 2: Which one?
Speaker 6: It's on Oakland Park. You know you wouldn't know what
Speaker 6: it was. Why you've been to some of them?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just curious.
Speaker 6: Anthony ever gone to Anthony's on Runway eighty four down there?
Speaker 2: I love that place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they redid it.
Speaker 2: Why don't you go there? That'd be a good place
Speaker 2: for dinner.
Speaker 6: I don't think they're opening Christmas Day?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 2: JP. What are you doing.
Speaker 1: I've got the Chiefs and the Steelers on Westwood one
Speaker 1: Christmas Day?
Speaker 2: Good for you?
Speaker 6: Wow? Look at that look he held off telling us
Speaker 6: that one didn't he I held out.
Speaker 1: It never came up I'm leaving tomorrow morning and then
Speaker 1: i'll be back Thursday morning.
Speaker 6: Look at that guy.
Speaker 1: It should be a good game, good game game. Who's
Speaker 1: color Ross Tucker?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 1: I had him. We had him on a Monday night
Speaker 1: game in Miami earlier in the year. Yeah, well, good people. So,
Speaker 1: and you've got family in town Tony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got all my kids are coming. My daughter
Speaker 2: got here today.
Speaker 5: My son is taking the Red Eye on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 5: so it'll be your Christmas morning.
Speaker 6: Where does he live?
Speaker 2: San Francisco?
Speaker 6: Okay? And then.
Speaker 5: Well I have everyone here, but uh one son in
Speaker 5: law will not make it because he's got he's at
Speaker 5: a ball game. So let's have all all my kids,
Speaker 5: grandparents will be here. It'll be chaos.
Speaker 6: I'll be Is that the offensive tackle? Where's he play at?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Oklahoma?
Speaker 6: Okay? So does he play?
Speaker 5: I started the first seven. I think hurt his ankle.
Speaker 5: He missed a couple and I don't know if he'll
Speaker 5: be back from the ball game or not.
Speaker 2: I haven't. That's my daughter.
Speaker 7: He's in the portal.
Speaker 6: He was in the portal then, so he made more
Speaker 6: money than you did when you were at us.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, guys, we'll talk to you next.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Selly, Pete Prisco, I'm JP Shadder. Thanks for
Speaker 1: our entire crew, Joe fortunate out of Brent Reaver and
Speaker 1: David Choe And this is Jaguars Happy Hour,