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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: This next guest as a brother of mine, one of
Speaker 1: my golden brothers. We want to gold medal together. That
Speaker 1: is just one of his many accomplishments. He is a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one NBA champion, two time NBA All Star,
Speaker 1: three time NBA All Defensive First Seam, probably slided a
Speaker 1: little bit there, Two time All NBA Defensive Second Team.
Speaker 1: You can have those, because I got too many of those, and.
Speaker 2: He should be on first team all the time.
Speaker 1: This last one is one of my favorites because this
Speaker 1: is him in a nutshell and life.
Speaker 2: This is him in basketball.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I had the opportunity to play with
Speaker 1: him three time NBA Teammate of the Year.
Speaker 2: Drew Holliday, what's up, my brother, man.
Speaker 5: Glad, Glad Glad. I'm glad we can make this work. Man, Glad,
Speaker 5: I could be on here.
Speaker 2: Man. I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: And we've been making efforts to make this happen, and
Speaker 1: Drew been making efforts and our you know, our schedules
Speaker 1: get a little crazy at times, and then you got
Speaker 1: the West Coast and the East Coast.
Speaker 2: And all of those things.
Speaker 1: But we wanted to bring you all this and we're
Speaker 1: doing and Drew, I thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 6: Sure for sure.
Speaker 1: Ah Man, let's just take me back number one, like
Speaker 1: or just for starters, your your parents both played at
Speaker 1: Arizona State, played basketball at Arizona State. Just talk to
Speaker 1: me about like growing up in a household with parents
Speaker 1: that played at a high level that understood that because
Speaker 1: y'all are an extremely athletic family.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, honestly, it was it was competitive, but
Speaker 5: it was so natural for us.
Speaker 6: Like everything that we did. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was competition, but I think our parents knew because
Speaker 5: they were competitors, that when it comes to family, that
Speaker 5: comes first. So that was one of the big things.
Speaker 5: You obviously played with my older brother Justin, and you've
Speaker 5: seen my little brother trying to do his thing in Houston.
Speaker 6: But we've always we've always tried to be able.
Speaker 5: To cheer for each other, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: through our successes, help each other through our downfalls. But
Speaker 5: I think my parents did a really good job of
Speaker 5: keeping us.
Speaker 6: Competitive and then at the same time like loving on
Speaker 6: each other. So it's been bro, it's been.
Speaker 5: The hell of a ride. Being able to kind of
Speaker 5: talk about my family. People don't even know about my sisters.
Speaker 5: She played basketball, but just really being able to, uh.
Speaker 6: Be competitors and then just love each other through all
Speaker 6: the other bs.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, absolutely, how was that growing up?
Speaker 1: Like you being middle child and just but in particular
Speaker 1: up the boys and Justin Justin being older than you?
Speaker 2: What was that like?
Speaker 1: Because you're way, like the way thicker than Justin Justine
Speaker 1: skinny as hell a twig? Like, what was that like
Speaker 1: growing up and y'all two playing against each other two
Speaker 1: totally different games as well?
Speaker 5: Man, I tell people all the time, my brother made
Speaker 5: me who I am? Uh, he's taller than me. Uh,
Speaker 5: longer arms, you can jump higher. So all the finishing
Speaker 5: and stuff that I usually do over people and trying
Speaker 5: to do it over you know, length and people that
Speaker 5: are tall to me was because of him, and obviously
Speaker 5: him being older, Like I looked up to him. A
Speaker 5: lot of the stuff that he did, I always wanted
Speaker 5: to do. So I follow his game, I mirror him,
Speaker 5: and then once I kind of got.
Speaker 6: A chance to like be on the same level or
Speaker 6: try to. When we play one on one.
Speaker 5: Or two on two, he would like always block my shot,
Speaker 5: he'd always take the ball from me. But I mean, shoot,
Speaker 5: he made me better just because we had battle every day.
Speaker 6: Bro, every day we battle.
Speaker 5: We fight, going side for twenty minutes, cool off, and
Speaker 5: then come back outside and start start hooping again. So
Speaker 5: it was a man.
Speaker 6: I so much credit goes to my big brother for
Speaker 6: just the player that I am.
Speaker 2: No, that's fire.
Speaker 1: And you went to Campbell Hall back when we were
Speaker 1: in high school. For those of y'all that don't know
Speaker 1: me and Drew is the same high school class. And
Speaker 1: then look up our high school rankings. You'll find Drew
Speaker 1: pretty fast. It will take you a long time with
Speaker 1: your magnifying glass to find me on those rankings. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: it was rightfully, so I was not bea you know,
Speaker 1: It's okay. It all worked out at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. But there's a lot of kids in LA
Speaker 1: now attending Camber Hall wasn't quite that way.
Speaker 2: When you attended Camber Hall.
Speaker 1: What was it that drove you and your family to
Speaker 1: or you to go to Campbell Hall in in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 5: So my mom works there. My mom's worked there probably
Speaker 5: ten years before I got there. I had some I had,
Speaker 5: like my auntie and my cousins that went to school there.
Speaker 5: So we're actually going there for a better education. It
Speaker 5: was nothing about sports, nothing for sports. It was about
Speaker 5: getting a better education. We got to get to college.
Speaker 5: We got to graduate from college. My mom being a
Speaker 5: teacher and an educator, that was what was most important
Speaker 5: to her. She would always tell us like, if you're
Speaker 5: good enough, you would make it anywhere. They will find
Speaker 5: they will find you anywhere if you get enough. So
Speaker 5: we're not going to go here for the basketball, We're
Speaker 5: going here for the education. And that's kind of how
Speaker 5: it started in and now, I mean it's just totally different,
Speaker 5: especially like the private school game. And uh, I mean
Speaker 5: you have so many other athletes now who have made
Speaker 5: some money and they can have their.
Speaker 6: Kids in private.
Speaker 5: School and doing all that, and obviously being in LA,
Speaker 5: the abundance of Hoopers that you have in kind of
Speaker 5: this small area. It's been crazy and it's been fun
Speaker 5: to watch kind of kind of from a distance up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: when I went to Campbell hall Man, it was it
Speaker 5: was me and my brother and uh, I mean a
Speaker 5: couple other dudes from from Pasadena or whoever, and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's like blowing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's crazy to watch.
Speaker 1: I think, like I remember, if I remember correctly, y'all
Speaker 1: had an ESPN game was in high school we did.
Speaker 1: I remember watching that, yes, which is why I watched
Speaker 1: it because Delvon we were both going to Michigan State.
Speaker 1: I remember that, definitely remember that game. But then you
Speaker 1: stay home, you go to u c.
Speaker 2: L A for one year.
Speaker 1: What was it like, like, what did it do for
Speaker 1: you at that time to have another guy like Darren
Speaker 1: Collison on your team where you're coming out your top five,
Speaker 1: but don't have to shoulder all the responsibility at point
Speaker 1: guard because you got a vet like Darren Collison?
Speaker 2: What what was that like man college.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was a blessing in disguise, you know,
Speaker 5: obviously going into college, especially nowadays, where like you see
Speaker 5: freshmen coming in and they kind of had a world
Speaker 5: on their shoulders, a lot of pressure to do a
Speaker 5: lot as a freshman, I mean an eighteen or nineteen
Speaker 5: year old kid, where that could be hard for me.
Speaker 6: I had somebody who's a season vet went to two
Speaker 6: or three final fours and made some big.
Speaker 5: Plays and had some big games and kind of ran
Speaker 5: you sell a basketball and kind of the whole campus
Speaker 5: and everything. So it was cool just learning from him
Speaker 5: and then being able to get drafted with him the
Speaker 5: same year, and then and then play against him in
Speaker 5: the league for so long it's been it's been cool. Definitely,
Speaker 5: like a bigger break there to be able to kind
Speaker 5: of step into college life with in the the NBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And man, I remember that we went further
Speaker 1: than y'all our freshman year, but he went on to
Speaker 1: the league seventeenth pick, seventeenth pick after freshman year, drafted
Speaker 1: by the seventy six ers in the two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and nine NBA Draft.
Speaker 1: You then go on to become the youngest All Star
Speaker 1: at least at the time. I'm not sure if it
Speaker 1: still stands, but you're going to become the youngest All
Speaker 1: Star in seventy six or history, and then the next
Speaker 1: year you're traded. I remember talking to Andre Godala. You
Speaker 1: know Andre obviously we played many years together, and he
Speaker 1: specifically talked about when they traded you just us before,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I was talking to Drew, Like
Speaker 1: I can't remember the story vividly, but something I was
Speaker 1: talking to Drew. He was on vacation or I was
Speaker 1: on vacation or something, and like, you out the blue
Speaker 1: get traded. What what? What do you think about the
Speaker 1: business at that time? You coming off an All Star
Speaker 1: and you get traded the next year for Nolans.
Speaker 5: Noel Man, I didn't know what to think. Like you said,
Speaker 5: I just became an All Star. I just signed an extension,
Speaker 5: And I mean I thought I was one of the
Speaker 5: cornerstone pieces or one of the major pieces of seventy
Speaker 5: six years basketball, like Philadelphia basketball me Evan Turner. D
Speaker 5: Young was still there. I think they had already traded Dre,
Speaker 5: they'd already traded lou Will, but it was like Dang,
Speaker 5: I was on my way to a Dodger game.
Speaker 6: I just did a camp.
Speaker 5: I just did a camp in Orange County at one
Speaker 5: of my best friends colleges in Orange County.
Speaker 6: We went our way to a Dodger game, and I.
Speaker 5: Get a call from Sam Henkey like, Amen, we've never
Speaker 5: met because this is when he started taking over that year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, He's like, hey, man, I know we've never met her.
Speaker 6: Great things about you over trading to New Orleans for
Speaker 6: It was like a thirty second conversation.
Speaker 5: I never met him or talked to him before. I
Speaker 5: think at this point, I don't even know what Bro
Speaker 5: looked like.
Speaker 6: So wow. Yeah, So we was.
Speaker 5: We was on our way with me, I think, my
Speaker 5: brother and so my best friends on the way to
Speaker 5: the Dodger game. And next thing, I'm like, next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, I get off the phone. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 5: I just got traded. They're like, no, you didn't, like
Speaker 5: all right. Two seconds later, pops up on the on
Speaker 5: the little screen ESPN drew how that got traded.
Speaker 6: For number six pick? That's crazy And that's how you
Speaker 6: found up bro. Yeah, just like that.
Speaker 2: That's the only conversation you've ever had with Sam.
Speaker 5: I haven't spoken to him before or after that. Wow,
Speaker 5: the only conversation I've had.
Speaker 2: He came in and did that. Let's look back at that,
Speaker 2: all right, when he starts turning, weel.
Speaker 5: That Michael Carter Williams. Remember Michael Carter Williams.
Speaker 2: I think that rookie going keep going, keep going. Tell
Speaker 2: me somebody else.
Speaker 6: But I mean, I think I was, like, I like
Speaker 6: to think I was the start of the process.
Speaker 1: You want to start the process. I'm just not sure
Speaker 1: the processes ever worked.
Speaker 6: He could still be going, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, you get Joel, right, like, all right, so
Speaker 2: you got Joel.
Speaker 1: Everything else outside of that process didn't work.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's tough, like Joel.
Speaker 1: Is obviously, but everything else outside of the process fail.
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean they traded Evan away after me. I mean,
Speaker 5: and I called Evan right away because Von was my dog.
Speaker 6: Like I got I got drafted.
Speaker 5: The next year, Evan Turner got drafted, and he like,
Speaker 5: there's no way that they just trade you. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 5: look like we are not. Like me and Evan thought
Speaker 5: we'd be teammates forever. We thought we were the youngest,
Speaker 5: the two best players and team. We thought it would
Speaker 5: be teammates forever and just like that literally thirty second conversation.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man. That's the NBA for y'all, folks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it and it ain't any different now.
Speaker 5: It might even be a little worse now because you
Speaker 5: have Twitter, you have Instagram, but you have these other outlets,
Speaker 5: media outlets that will catch it before you do, and
Speaker 5: maybe that hurts lit a little worse. Like I've seen
Speaker 5: a couple of teammates come in from a game and
Speaker 5: find out they get cut. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 5: I know you've experienced it too, Like you've seen teammates
Speaker 5: just like dang bro, like I had no clue and
Speaker 5: they didn't have the boss to tell you face to face.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying before anything else got out.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about like right after you step off the court,
Speaker 5: right after you just got them playing. To me, that's
Speaker 5: crazy to me, it's yeah to me. To me, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's it actually should be illegal. I agree,
Speaker 1: Like because if I came out and said something about
Speaker 1: the trade before, I get fined for sure.
Speaker 2: So why is it that.
Speaker 1: They can announce me being traded and my feelings just
Speaker 1: gotta be hurt, right, and I'm left to pick up
Speaker 1: the pieces of my feelings. I'm left to pick up
Speaker 1: the pieces of my life. I'm left like, I'm just
Speaker 1: left to pick up the pieces. But if I said
Speaker 1: that first, no problem, Like, I mean, come off the bread.
Speaker 1: Yeah it should, it should be illegal. Take take me
Speaker 1: through the process. This time though, this time around, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of reporting that going on that Damian Lillard
Speaker 1: is going to get traded.
Speaker 2: No one knows where.
Speaker 1: He keeps saying Miami or people keep saying he Miami's
Speaker 1: number one choice or the Knicks Bucks. Isn't even a conversation. Ah,
Speaker 1: And then like, how soon with that? Did you know
Speaker 1: that you were getting traded?
Speaker 6: And yeah, I was. I mean, so I.
Speaker 5: Through the week, you know, in the off season, you
Speaker 5: go in, I'm already Milwaukee because my kids go to
Speaker 5: school there and they started school and we're working out.
Speaker 6: I mean most of the teams they're working out.
Speaker 5: Monday Tuesday will workout. I take Wednesday off kind of
Speaker 5: do my own thing, recovery day, and then Thursday Friday
Speaker 5: I workout, and then the weekends I can'd of.
Speaker 6: Do my own thing. Me and my wife.
Speaker 5: Well, Wednesday was my day off and I'm taking a
Speaker 5: nap and I'm taking then and I got my.
Speaker 6: I got my watch on my have a watch on
Speaker 6: and I see the text. I see a call from
Speaker 6: the GM and I'm like, I'll call him back, like
Speaker 6: I'm deep in this nop too.
Speaker 5: What I'm saying, it's a good one. And then two
Speaker 5: seconds later my agent coffee. I'm like, all right, so
Speaker 5: I picked a his call. He's like, you talked to him.
Speaker 5: I'm like, nah, bro, I'm sleeping. He's like, well, you
Speaker 5: just got traded, so you should probably call him back.
Speaker 5: And then I ended up looking at my phone. He
Speaker 5: ended up texting me everything that was happening, like yeah,
Speaker 5: we traded you here here, And then I ended up
Speaker 5: calling him and ended up saying like, yeah, we traded
Speaker 5: you for Damian. So I also had no clue, like
Speaker 5: just like the world had no clue, also no clue.
Speaker 6: He did tell me. I think before it broke on.
Speaker 5: Twitter and all that the world kind of knew.
Speaker 6: But I think for me.
Speaker 5: It was just a shock because I had no clue,
Speaker 5: like out the blue, and I think a part of
Speaker 5: me thinking like maybe I felt like I not that
Speaker 5: I was untouchable but maybe I had done enough to
Speaker 5: at least let me know twenty four hours in advance,
Speaker 5: not five minutes in advance. And maybe I'm asking for
Speaker 5: too much. I don't know, but it's kind of like,
Speaker 5: I mean, we want I won there.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We won there, so how many championships in Bucks history? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't asking for too much, yer span, But.
Speaker 6: Again I'm not. I'm not upset with it. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not upset with it. It was just more of
Speaker 5: a shock, Like I didn't I didn't think that if
Speaker 5: I was going to get traded. I thought I would
Speaker 5: at least know in advance. I can prepare my family,
Speaker 5: I can prepare my kid like we had a life
Speaker 5: there and like I said, my kids were already in school.
Speaker 5: And then that next Sunday or that next Monday was
Speaker 5: training camp.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: So like it wasn't like in the middle of the
Speaker 6: summer or the middle of the off season, Like, no,
Speaker 6: we had four days. So I have to figure out
Speaker 6: how to who my family.
Speaker 5: I got to figure out from one, I got to
Speaker 5: figure out where I'm going, yause I didn't end up
Speaker 5: staying in And that also took a minute too. So
Speaker 5: I'm in limbo for three days, like not really knowing
Speaker 5: what's going on, and then when it all kind of
Speaker 5: came together at the end. I mean, I really thank
Speaker 5: God for Portland and and Chancey and the GM there
Speaker 5: because they really liked did good bye me, just really
Speaker 5: asking me and talking to me where I wanted to
Speaker 5: go and if I was on the same timeline as
Speaker 5: them and.
Speaker 6: All that, and they did it. I mean, I love
Speaker 6: them for that, but.
Speaker 5: It was just such a shot. And then being thrown
Speaker 5: into another system that I had no clue about, but
Speaker 5: being traded four days ago and then having just to
Speaker 5: fly there and go straight in the training camp was crazy.
Speaker 2: Did you get a chance to talk to Gianni's dang anybody?
Speaker 6: Like? Uh? I talked to Dan.
Speaker 5: I was like, uh, hey, bro, you're gonna love it here.
Speaker 5: I think, like because honestly, just like everybody else think,
Speaker 5: I thought Dame was a good fit with Yanni.
Speaker 6: Like how they play together.
Speaker 5: The pick and roll addam came into that and you
Speaker 5: got you got Brooked obviously stretching the floor. You got
Speaker 5: Bobby stretching the floor and being a bully in the paint.
Speaker 6: I thought it was a good.
Speaker 5: I thought it was a good fit for him. So
Speaker 5: I ain't had no no hate or anything. I talked
Speaker 5: to Giannis a little bit, but the first person that
Speaker 5: called me was Chris and he came. He came to
Speaker 5: the house, and uh, we had a we had a
Speaker 5: deep conversation.
Speaker 6: We had we had a good conversation. So uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: came in my boy.
Speaker 5: So it was it was good to kind of talk
Speaker 5: it through with him, because honestly, I think a lot
Speaker 5: of them were just as shocked as as I was. Like,
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knew. I think they kind of
Speaker 5: kept it close to the chest for the most part.
Speaker 6: Again, I don't know who knows who knew like the
Speaker 6: whole story and who didn't, So I can't speak on
Speaker 6: all that, but like I know, I know a lot
Speaker 6: of them they just kept it close because if it
Speaker 6: did get out. Yeah, again, I don't know. For me,
Speaker 6: it's like I'm a grown man and if you tell
Speaker 6: me that, like I'm possibly gonna get traded them and
Speaker 6: be like all.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I think that's a tough thing to do
Speaker 1: though for a GM for being who you are and
Speaker 1: what you meant to that team, and like, like you
Speaker 1: have to play well for that team to win. If
Speaker 1: they're like, yo, you may get traded and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you don't. That could be tough because like,
Speaker 1: all right, trade me, then like like get me out
Speaker 1: of here. So I get that from a certain extent,
Speaker 1: But this isn't a normal situation. This isn't like some
Speaker 1: guy that just play here and now we're just moving
Speaker 1: on because it didn't work, Like we just won a championship.
Speaker 1: We're within two years of winning a championship and we
Speaker 1: still have championship aspirations. Is pulling me out of the
Speaker 1: puzzle gonna help better that championship? I personally don't think so.
Speaker 1: Not that Dame isn't great, but just for what you
Speaker 1: meant to that team, that team took a big hit
Speaker 1: defensively all year because of the way people.
Speaker 2: Don't understand the way Janni's.
Speaker 1: And Brooke play in the drop that only works in
Speaker 1: today NBA. If you have a guard that a doesn't
Speaker 1: get screened and chases over the ball like a hawk,
Speaker 1: Like he chases over the screen like a hawk, And
Speaker 1: with you chasing over the screens, they can sit in
Speaker 1: that drop and you're good enough to funnel them to
Speaker 1: the drop. All of a sudden, you remove that and
Speaker 1: you don't have anyone to do that, and Grayson Allen
Speaker 1: was gone, who also thought was your second best perimeter defender,
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Speaker 5: When I tell people during that time because me and
Speaker 5: Grayson just ironically, me and Grayson didn't go in the
Speaker 5: same day the day that we got traded.
Speaker 6: Grayson also been going that day, which I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know why.
Speaker 5: Grayson was killing this offseason. Grayson put in work and
Speaker 5: he was killing. I'm like, he is the best player
Speaker 5: on the court this offseason, So I think all of
Speaker 5: it kind of like, looking back at it, I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: it was I do think defensively it was.
Speaker 6: A big It hurt him a lot, But you know.
Speaker 5: Trades can be made and you can try to find
Speaker 5: defense and do all that.
Speaker 6: But I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I think that I was kind of perfectly put or
Speaker 5: I fit perfectly and funneling guys to Brook, who I.
Speaker 6: Think last year had career hiring blocks.
Speaker 5: Obviously, you see what Giannis does blocking shots and stuff,
Speaker 5: so I was like, I was meant for that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for sure, brook Brook was mentioned as defensive
Speaker 1: possibly defensive Player of the Year last year, and I
Speaker 1: don't remember nobody ever mentioned a brook for Nobody's defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. So that does definitely show your impact.
Speaker 1: But I did so, so you pretty much chose to
Speaker 1: go to the Celtics, like the Blazers kind of gave
Speaker 1: you that right to just kind of Yeah.
Speaker 5: There were other teams that I wanted to. They were
Speaker 5: one of the teams that I wanted to.
Speaker 6: Try to go to. Obviously they had pieces. I think something.
Speaker 5: Happened with Brot with Malcolm earlier where he didn't go
Speaker 5: to the Clippers, so I think he was maybe looking
Speaker 5: to go somewhere else and he was definitely one of
Speaker 5: the teams. But I want to go to contendent. I mean,
Speaker 5: this is a few of them out there where I
Speaker 5: felt like I could make my impact. It was like,
Speaker 5: there's the Clippers at the time, it's Miami, there's Celtics,
Speaker 5: and I think maybe those.
Speaker 6: Are the like the big three, the ones that I
Speaker 6: felt like, you know what, if I go there, I could.
Speaker 5: Really really do something, and you know, after you get
Speaker 5: traded sometimes you kind of question not your abilities, but
Speaker 5: like sometimes your confidence, Like am I.
Speaker 6: As good as I think I am? Because like I.
Speaker 5: Can just be traded for nothing or not even know
Speaker 5: about it. But to see so many people kind of
Speaker 5: text me and be like dang, Like I didn't see
Speaker 5: that coming getting those text messages. Man, I'm like, you
Speaker 5: know what, like, yeah I can still It ain't mean
Speaker 5: I'm still nice.
Speaker 6: So it was cool. It was cool to kind of
Speaker 6: have that fee back.
Speaker 1: But what was your reaction, like initially, like y'all just
Speaker 1: finished playing the Celtics and back and forth the last
Speaker 1: few years and you know that thing has grown into
Speaker 1: a rivalry.
Speaker 2: What was your reaction to that was?
Speaker 1: It was it more like damn, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to go or because of the way they
Speaker 1: traded you, it was just like, no, I actually want
Speaker 1: to go there and get.
Speaker 2: Back at them.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: It was more like, yeah, I want to go there
Speaker 6: and win.
Speaker 5: It wasn't necessarily to get back at them because, like
Speaker 5: I told you about my first trade experience, it's happened
Speaker 5: to me before. I've been traded without knowing I've been
Speaker 5: traded for I mean, for whatever reason and it just
Speaker 5: go like like thirty second call, I'm somewhere else. So
Speaker 5: and I still love the guys on the team, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, But I also want to beat them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: also you know what I'm saying, I also want to
Speaker 5: beat them. So it's not like in spite I didn't
Speaker 5: go there in spite of them. I went there because
Speaker 5: like that's my best chance of winning. And again it
Speaker 5: ended up working out where I feel like the Celtics
Speaker 5: equally wanted me to.
Speaker 6: Like it wasn't just right. It wasn't just me.
Speaker 5: Going after them, like they also pursued me too, So
Speaker 5: I think it was that definitely worked, But it wouldn't
Speaker 5: I wasn't going there like yeah, I'm gonna get back
Speaker 5: at the at the Bucks.
Speaker 6: It was like, well, I'm gonna go there and win.
Speaker 6: If we got to go through the Bucks, then be.
Speaker 1: Going through absolutely, And I you know, I can appreciate that,
Speaker 1: and I love it because see what people and you know,
Speaker 1: people get mixed up all the time and they forget
Speaker 1: these these these time of these events. Marcus Smart was
Speaker 1: already traded. The Celtics didn't have a point guard going
Speaker 1: into the season, Like again, four days away from training camp,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a point guard. This Damian Lillard trade
Speaker 1: actually made Bride look like a genius because now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you you, you end up in Boston.
Speaker 1: They traded Marcus Smart not knowing that that was happening. No, No,
Speaker 1: it was almost like a panic, like, oh man, we
Speaker 1: can't win, all right, the money getting up there, JB
Speaker 1: money kicking in.
Speaker 2: We know we about to pay JT. We might as
Speaker 2: well start getting off some stuff now.
Speaker 1: It was almost like a panic and like them letting
Speaker 1: go the rope how I viewed it, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you pop up and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Drew's in Portland.
Speaker 2: But Drew said he not standing in Portland. He's available,
Speaker 2: and they come up on you, and I mean, it's
Speaker 2: changed everything.
Speaker 5: It's a it's been fun, bro, I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 5: it's been it's been fun. The culture here in Boston,
Speaker 5: what it means to win, the history that it has,
Speaker 5: Like me being from La growing up a Laker fan.
Speaker 5: That was probably the weirdest part for me, Like being
Speaker 5: in that green being like being a Celtic, knowing that
Speaker 5: I was gonna sign and be a Celtic was like, like,
Speaker 5: am I portraying my roots? Like where I came from?
Speaker 5: Orically growing up a Kobe fan, I thought I was
Speaker 5: supposed to be six eight and be like magic, Like like,
Speaker 5: am I betraying.
Speaker 6: Where I came from?
Speaker 5: Because all my family to this day still Lakers fans.
Speaker 5: Like I got family that came to the game in
Speaker 5: Boston with Lakers stuff on. I'm like, You've got me
Speaker 5: messed up. Watch this game with a Lebron jersey on?
Speaker 6: Like what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 6: I got like like I got family.
Speaker 5: From La who still came to the game with Lakers stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, that's that's crazy to me. But that's
Speaker 5: the rivalry. That's like the history behind it. But being
Speaker 5: in at set the Green bro like it, Like the
Speaker 5: pressure is like it's different. I mean you can probably attest.
Speaker 6: To it, like being on top for so long or
Speaker 6: even then like kind.
Speaker 5: Of doubt you like you can't win, Like all they
Speaker 5: talk about here is winning and the only thing that
Speaker 5: is important is winning.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, man, I'm here for it, bro, Like
Speaker 6: I'm here for the ride. So I'm excited. I'm excited
Speaker 6: to be here.
Speaker 1: Now that's crazy, but that's also a different type of pressure.
Speaker 1: Like even for us when we came in here this
Speaker 1: like we made it to the playoff my rookie year,
Speaker 1: we pour water on each other, like Mark Jackson, don't
Speaker 1: don't do liquor, Like we had a water celebration, not
Speaker 1: chap but because that was like I mean, the biggest
Speaker 1: moment was was the we Believe season and like since
Speaker 1: seventy five, that was the biggest moment in history was
Speaker 1: do we believe? Winning the first round playoff series, So
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily have like pressure to win at the
Speaker 1: level that we won at because you just couldn't compare
Speaker 1: it to anything. But you saying y'all feel that pressure,
Speaker 1: like they make sure y'all feel it and know like no,
Speaker 1: we we gotta win championship.
Speaker 2: That's it here in Boston.
Speaker 5: I mean, you played, you played in the garden. You
Speaker 5: know what the fans are like, you know how crazy, right,
Speaker 5: It's like it's it's live or died, like they something's
Speaker 5: green all the way. So I think kind of being
Speaker 5: in a position and bro big like big props and
Speaker 5: big ups to JT and JB because I feel like
Speaker 5: they ho there most of the pressure, like a lot
Speaker 5: of it is on them because they've been together for
Speaker 5: so long and kind of have gone through this where
Speaker 5: they've been to the conference finals and they've been to
Speaker 5: the they've been to the finals and all that so
Speaker 5: many years in a row, and even what they did
Speaker 5: last year, like almost coming back from down three against
Speaker 5: the against the heat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that playing with them and seeing like
Speaker 6: now that I'm on this side and seeing like the
Speaker 6: pressure that they go through and how they handle themselves
Speaker 6: is like is ultimate professional. Like I don't think a
Speaker 6: lot of people would be able to do what they
Speaker 6: do now.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, and they carry it well because it doesn't
Speaker 1: come off that way like obviously we all here the
Speaker 1: talking heads on ESPN or on this shore, like, but
Speaker 1: to be feeling that pressure at home, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like to be feeling that pressure from your
Speaker 1: fans to like, that's a different type a thing to
Speaker 1: handle because when at any moment, like you hit a
Speaker 1: rough patch, yeah, like they you should trade this person,
Speaker 1: you should trade that person, And yet you still got
Speaker 1: to try to keep that same love for this fan
Speaker 1: base because you're one and the same in the sense
Speaker 1: you're trying.
Speaker 2: To do that's that's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: And I don't think people realize how much that takes
Speaker 1: and how much that says about those two and just
Speaker 1: where they are and their maturity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's and I saw that from day one, bro, like,
Speaker 5: and you know JT, and I mean you know JB
Speaker 5: two but you know JT like super cool and calm.
Speaker 6: It don't seem like anything mess with him and all that.
Speaker 6: But I know, like again, just being here and seeing.
Speaker 5: That type of pressure, Bro, I'm like, man like, I
Speaker 5: really admire it, like and they do with such a
Speaker 5: grace and just how to handle themself is like way
Speaker 5: wiser or like wise beyond the year.
Speaker 6: So it's been has been cool to kind of see that.
Speaker 2: That's super dope being on the other side and now
Speaker 2: being with them.
Speaker 1: You coming to the Celtics, your role has changed quite
Speaker 1: a bit offensively, But in that change offensively me having
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play with you, watching you play, you
Speaker 1: don't get off on offense. Like you're more than capable
Speaker 1: of scoring the ball at any level, which I think
Speaker 1: most people don't understand. You can take guys to the post.
Speaker 1: You are a great finisher around the rim. You have
Speaker 1: a floater, you have a mid range, you have a
Speaker 1: three point shot. There's guys that average far more points
Speaker 1: than you in the NBA that can't score at every
Speaker 1: level like that, and so just to be able to
Speaker 1: score like that already puts you in an elite category. However,
Speaker 1: you've taken on a lesser role knowing that JT is
Speaker 1: going to get a lot of shots. JB is going
Speaker 1: to get a lot of shots, and everything else from
Speaker 1: there is fleet throwing, it's you d.
Speaker 2: White, some nice, it's our some nights, it's Peyton something like.
Speaker 1: It's so free flowing outside of those two getting the
Speaker 1: shots that they're going to get every night. And your
Speaker 1: role has changed great. Granted I understand that maybe people
Speaker 1: don't understand that, but I don't really want to talk
Speaker 1: about that. What I want to talk about is the
Speaker 1: role that I see you playing now on the defensive end,
Speaker 1: because you've gone from a guy who, like were speaking
Speaker 1: about earlier, where you're gonna be on Steph Curry, you're
Speaker 1: gonna be on Kyrie Irving, you're gonna be on the
Speaker 1: best ball handler at all times, to now you're on
Speaker 1: me when we played y'all to start the game, and
Speaker 1: I see you playing more of a like I used
Speaker 1: to love to do that. When our lineup's allowed for
Speaker 1: me to just match up with a guy who's maybe
Speaker 1: a lesser shooter, I can I can mess up y'all
Speaker 1: offense in a totally different way than just having to
Speaker 1: go guard that guy.
Speaker 2: And I see y'all doing more of that now with you.
Speaker 1: How has that been for you, adjusting to that role
Speaker 1: as opposed to being the gardener dominant ball handler.
Speaker 5: It's been a different experience for sure, because, like you said,
Speaker 5: and especially when we first came into the league, it
Speaker 5: was like you guarded your matchup absolutely.
Speaker 6: If I was the point guard, I guarded the point guard.
Speaker 6: If I was the two, I guarded the two.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And honestly, my first few years or whatever, like I
Speaker 5: don't ever think I guarded a three like a small
Speaker 5: forward or whatever. Was it the point guard or shooting
Speaker 5: guard now and then it became like hound the ball,
Speaker 5: best player, don't matter if they six, eight, don't matter
Speaker 5: if they five.
Speaker 6: To ten, hound them.
Speaker 5: And those two are kind of the same though, Like
Speaker 5: I still had the hound because you know, when we
Speaker 5: came in the point guard is just the one who
Speaker 5: brings it down, sets people up and does all that.
Speaker 5: But they didn't pretty much the main ball handler getting
Speaker 5: it to the guy in the spot where the guy
Speaker 5: yes absolutely.
Speaker 6: Now it's like.
Speaker 5: I think our first time we played Philly Usguard and
Speaker 5: Joel like seven to I'm six four and I some
Speaker 5: day six y five, depending on if I got my hair.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, And I think kind of
Speaker 5: like being a roamer or disrupting.
Speaker 6: Kind of like what you said, has been so fun
Speaker 6: to me. It's been so fun because.
Speaker 5: I see the game in a different way. Now I
Speaker 5: see the reason why I'm on this person. I start
Speaker 5: to catching Now. Me and Joe talk about that quite
Speaker 5: a bit, Like I start to catch with Joe is
Speaker 5: thinking defensively before he tells me. I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 5: you want to do this, You'd be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I want to do it. I'm like, see,
Speaker 5: I'm starting to catch on. Before I was just so
Speaker 5: locked into hounding the ball, disrupting it, sending them over
Speaker 5: the screen, sending them down to Brookrianni before that, send
Speaker 5: him the ad when I was with the Pelicans. So
Speaker 5: it was like that was it was a consistent type
Speaker 5: of thing that I was doing. And now, Bro, one
Speaker 5: day I might be on a non shooter, the next
Speaker 5: day I might be on a shooter. I might be
Speaker 5: on the big for if they want to come up
Speaker 5: and set a screen, but we don't want to big
Speaker 5: in it. So because I'm on him, now he's in
Speaker 5: the corner, and now they're going with like somebody else
Speaker 5: who's maybe less of a shooter, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like so many things playing to the defense now, And
Speaker 5: I didn't see the.
Speaker 6: Game that way. I was always the person who had
Speaker 6: to hear people tell.
Speaker 1: Me what to do, which is a scare re feeling.
Speaker 1: You're out there on that island. Everything's happening behind you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can't turn and look, and you just have
Speaker 1: to do it like you're at the mercy of whether
Speaker 1: the big wants to talk.
Speaker 6: Or not for sure one hundred percent. And then yeah,
Speaker 6: So I learned early to let my.
Speaker 5: Biggs get the rebounds and feed them the ball and stuff,
Speaker 5: because then they talk. But now I'm the one screaming.
Speaker 5: I'm like you, I'm trying to be loud, I'm trying
Speaker 5: to be crazy. So like my teammates ain't getting smacked
Speaker 5: by scream, so they know what's going on in situations.
Speaker 5: And I think that that was something a little different
Speaker 5: from me because I've always been like a quiet player
Speaker 5: because I didn't.
Speaker 6: Really have to say much. I was always on the ball,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's it's been a cool experience, Like I guess,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I'm like Draymond Green, not way.
Speaker 2: Better, way better. And I include myself and this.
Speaker 1: Anytime someone talks about a defender being overrated in the NBA,
Speaker 1: I cannot recall ever seeing one person say another name
Speaker 1: outside of you, Yeah, you've never finished higher than seven
Speaker 1: place in defensive playerity of your voter.
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
Speaker 1: Because that to me, I know the type of defender
Speaker 1: you are number one, and playing against you and watching
Speaker 1: you play, I know the type of respect that people
Speaker 1: have for you as a defender, especially those guys that
Speaker 1: you are guarden.
Speaker 2: But what do you make of that thing?
Speaker 6: I think that for the most or.
Speaker 5: The people, the players in the NBA and a lot
Speaker 5: of the coaches in the NBA see how good of
Speaker 5: the defender I am, and that's all I need. Like
Speaker 5: I could see the respect when somebody when my guys
Speaker 5: going up to set a screen and they're like, no,
Speaker 5: go to the next one. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: What I'm like, all right, respect to me, Like that's
Speaker 5: what I mean. I don't really care for the accolades.
Speaker 5: I don't care for the whatever. It would it be
Speaker 5: cool to get DPO out yet, but I think me
Speaker 5: personally it was for one, Like I was super happy
Speaker 5: when Marcus got it because it had been so long
Speaker 5: since a guard had gotten it. Or and no offense
Speaker 5: to the bigs out there that block shots.
Speaker 6: And I know that they affect the game, but like
Speaker 6: not all the time.
Speaker 5: They not guarding the best players night, and that they're
Speaker 5: not affecting the game in that way where they got
Speaker 5: to fight over screens or chase them around or pound
Speaker 5: them full court. Like not saying that it is easy
Speaker 5: because I can't block shots. I'm not averaging five five
Speaker 5: blocks a game. But you would know, like you have
Speaker 5: to guard. You have to guard the best players at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, you had to you they
Speaker 5: were either trying to get away from you or you
Speaker 5: would go and seek them out.
Speaker 6: Because you knew, like I'm that guy, I'm tend to.
Speaker 5: So when Marcus got it, I was like so excited
Speaker 5: because I'm like, all right, well we trending in a
Speaker 5: direction now where I feel like they could possibly go
Speaker 5: to guards and do all that, but me not getting it.
Speaker 6: Man, I could I could care less. Now I wouldn't
Speaker 6: say care less. I wouldn't say careless, but like I'm
Speaker 6: I don't know the sleepover it.
Speaker 2: You got more.
Speaker 1: You have more respect from your peers as a defender
Speaker 1: as I wouldn't say more. You have as much respect
Speaker 1: from your peers as a defender as Steph has as
Speaker 1: a shooter, or as like from I mean the guys
Speaker 1: you've guarded, Like if you talk to the guys that
Speaker 1: you've guarded, like they don't think for a second like oh,
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, like like you asked Drew Holiday, Like no question,
Speaker 1: And that's what I like. It's just the same way,
Speaker 1: like obviously Steph is the greatest shooter we've ever seen,
Speaker 1: if you actually is the best shooter the first Steph Curry,
Speaker 1: like you not a second thought like Steph Curry, and
Speaker 1: guys that you've guarded that know the game, that know
Speaker 1: what is what their facing went they're up against you.
Speaker 2: It's the same. It's true holiday, no, no question.
Speaker 1: And I think and as you just like that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the biggest compliment one could ever get.
Speaker 5: Ever, that's that's crazy to me, that like it's not
Speaker 5: even a question. It's not even like yeah, like when
Speaker 5: I hear people are when I hear that, like every
Speaker 5: time I hear it, Bro, I'm like, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 5: insane to me. But that's that's a good feeling. That's
Speaker 5: I think part of the reason why, Like I know,
Speaker 5: I mean going to sleep at night, bro, I'm good, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, and gearing up for.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys are the best record in the
Speaker 1: NBA by probably double digit games at this point, playing
Speaker 1: better basketball or as good as basketball as anyone.
Speaker 2: I think Denver. Denver is playing great basketball right now too.
Speaker 1: So who's playing better Tomato Tomato, probably you guys and
Speaker 1: the way y'all been.
Speaker 2: Winning as well.
Speaker 1: But what do you feel as a champion on a
Speaker 1: team with guys who's gotten there conference finals, gotten to
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, yet haven't been able to get on
Speaker 1: over the hump as a champion. What is it that
Speaker 1: you see that it's going to be important for y'all
Speaker 1: to be for you and the Celtics to be able
Speaker 1: to get over that hump that they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to get over.
Speaker 6: Man. I think it's this sense of.
Speaker 5: Consistency, but like calm through the storm, because you know,
Speaker 5: in every series, in every playoff run, something goes to shit,
Speaker 5: some go bad. You got to have a little bit
Speaker 5: of luck. You gotta have a lot of bit of
Speaker 5: luck and a lot of bit of health and stuff
Speaker 5: going your way to get to where you want to
Speaker 5: get to. But I think that like our mindset right
Speaker 5: now has been really good, and knowing obviously been there
Speaker 5: and experiencing it, me being able to and then even
Speaker 5: then making it to the finals, losing, experiencing that, experiencing
Speaker 5: what it takes to get there.
Speaker 6: I think that I think that it's been really good.
Speaker 5: Like our mindset hasn't been even when we up double
Speaker 5: digit games or even when we're playing against the worst
Speaker 5: teams in the league.
Speaker 6: It's always like our mindset is to win this game,
Speaker 6: like go for the kill. And you know how it is,
Speaker 6: sometimes especially at this time and the at the end
Speaker 6: of the year, it get hard to play. Sometimes just
Speaker 6: get me to the playoffs. We already we already up
Speaker 6: in games or whatever, like give me to the playoffs,
Speaker 6: and I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 5: But I feel like as a team, we're kind of
Speaker 5: in the place where it's like we can still learn
Speaker 5: from each game, and I think that's going to kind
Speaker 5: of take us and carry us over the top whenever
Speaker 5: we get to that point, if we.
Speaker 6: Ever do no.
Speaker 1: And I just think like the things that y'all are
Speaker 1: doing again, like just going back to the way y'all
Speaker 1: been winning, Like when you're doing things like that, that
Speaker 1: to me is like, Okay, they ready, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they are ready to win a championship,
Speaker 1: you know, not blowing games, you know, not like you
Speaker 1: guys supposed to be the team y'all beating them, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like beating them handedly sitting fourth
Speaker 1: quarters like and so to me and watching, it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, they really ready to compete for a championship now,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you you coming over there. It
Speaker 1: adds a totally different demeanor to the team. I think
Speaker 1: it also as a totally different confidence on both ends
Speaker 1: of the floor.
Speaker 2: And I see that y'all y'all have been able to
Speaker 2: benefit from that.
Speaker 1: But how what what is it that you've seen now
Speaker 1: this year and being on the side that you on
Speaker 1: as opposed to side that you were on with Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: Like what is it that makes JT so special that
Speaker 1: you've been able to see now?
Speaker 5: I think when I was going against him, I just
Speaker 5: saw him as an opponent. I didn't really take him
Speaker 5: for everything else, you know, like everything else off the
Speaker 5: court that plays into maybe the person he is or
Speaker 5: even the player that he is. I think it was
Speaker 5: just an opponent like him and JB, Like, these are
Speaker 5: my opponents. I got to beat my opponents.
Speaker 6: Now that I see JT.
Speaker 5: And obviously like yeah, we played with him on the
Speaker 5: on the Olympic team and all that, but like really
Speaker 5: getting the gnaw now and you learn somebody on a
Speaker 5: deeper level, you can see honestly just how good of
Speaker 5: a person he is. And to me, I know that
Speaker 5: that doesn't always I know that that doesn't always matter
Speaker 5: in winning, but to me, I think it matters. I
Speaker 5: think it matters how you treat people, not just in
Speaker 5: the organization the people that you work with, but like how.
Speaker 6: You treat people off the court.
Speaker 5: Every time I see JT with fans bro, I'm like,
Speaker 5: he literally like doesn't take this for granted, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying when he's talking to a little kid,
Speaker 5: or he sees a little kid as his jersey, or
Speaker 5: I don't know, if somebody says something to him and he's.
Speaker 6: Turning in a way then and I'm like, he don't
Speaker 6: have to do that. Like y'all came here to see him,
Speaker 6: y'all came here to see him perform.
Speaker 5: But like he's giving y'all kind of like a piece
Speaker 5: of him, which I feel like means a lot, and
Speaker 5: it's genuine, and I think that that's the biggest part,
Speaker 5: Like how genuine and how great a character.
Speaker 1: That he has.
Speaker 5: I feel like that plays onto the court because i mean, look,
Speaker 5: God loves the winner. God loves a give or too,
Speaker 5: and he's giving. He's giving more than he has to
Speaker 5: out of the kindness of his heart. So I feel
Speaker 5: like that translates on the court and you can tell,
Speaker 5: like he cares about this game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's not just sets, it's not just how I.
Speaker 5: Look that night on the stat sheet, Like he cares
Speaker 5: about basketball. And you can tell on the court, but
Speaker 5: off the court.
Speaker 6: You go often too.
Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely amazing. And also now being on the
Speaker 1: other side with JB. To me and watching him play,
Speaker 1: it seems to me like he's taking even more steps.
Speaker 1: And I've always been a fan of JB because, you know,
Speaker 1: being out here in the Bay, I remember going to
Speaker 1: his game at Cal and watching him and being like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: this kid is a good athlete.
Speaker 2: Do not great shot not great, but he's a good athlete.
Speaker 1: Got a great body, like super athletic, like you know,
Speaker 1: can score a little bit. And to see the player
Speaker 1: that he is today, where the way he can handle
Speaker 1: the ball, the way he can shoot the ball, like
Speaker 1: he is one of those guys to me that you
Speaker 1: see every year he gets better every year, and to
Speaker 1: me it seems like this year he's even taking a
Speaker 1: bigger jump. Like what's it been like watching like playing
Speaker 1: against JB with the growth that he's been having over
Speaker 1: the years, but then also now being with him and
Speaker 1: seeing the growth up close and personal.
Speaker 6: Playing against him is kind of like what you said,
Speaker 6: there's always something that he couldn't do.
Speaker 5: He didn't shoot well enough. He finishes at the rim. Well,
Speaker 5: he's an athlete, but he doesn't shoot well enough. Or
Speaker 5: it could be like you said this handle isn't good enough.
Speaker 5: And I think coming into this season and throughout the season,
Speaker 5: he's just shown that, like when people doubt him, he
Speaker 5: really take that the heart, bro.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, you don't have a left hand. And if
Speaker 6: y'all really look at JB game this year, he's been
Speaker 6: finishing crazy with his left and it's like, I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's he do it on you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Like, I don't know if he was just
Speaker 6: practicing that in the off season or or whatever it is.
Speaker 5: But like literally everything that you that they've talked about
Speaker 5: him not that good of a shooter, he's shooting the three.
Speaker 6: Very well this year, like one of like one of
Speaker 6: our go to three point shooters, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Before our defense, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we was like, oh JB shoot it every time?
Speaker 6: Every time shoot the ball? Can you shoot? He like, yeah,
Speaker 6: all right, shoot it. But he brouh.
Speaker 5: I feel like everything, whenever somebody doubts him, he's like,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm a pretty.
Speaker 6: Wrong And that's a dog to me. That's a dog
Speaker 6: to me. Like he he.
Speaker 5: Just he got that that barking him, He got that
Speaker 5: tough in him. That's like I really want to win.
Speaker 5: And I saw it before like playing against him, that
Speaker 5: he really wanted to win. But it's even born now
Speaker 5: because like you hear the doubts that people had about him,
Speaker 5: And can j B and JT do it together?
Speaker 6: And you will?
Speaker 5: And you see how they play together, bro, It's like
Speaker 5: like they play well together. They both work on that game.
Speaker 5: And JB's mid range is going crazy. His finishes at the.
Speaker 6: Rim are going crazy. It's three points going crazy. So, man,
Speaker 6: I don't know. JB is a complete player to me,
Speaker 6: and to hear the thing he don't.
Speaker 5: We got him in the corner at times, like coming
Speaker 5: off down screens, catching off downscreens and making moves that way,
Speaker 5: and then we'll have him bring it down and him
Speaker 5: run point guard and him running off screen and rolls
Speaker 5: and making plays and diamond people.
Speaker 6: I'm like, he has such a complete game to me
Speaker 6: that I love. I love playing with JT.
Speaker 2: I mean, Ja's definitely he's definitely put it together, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. Just switching switching gears a little bit before
Speaker 2: we get out of here.
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss if I didn't ask about your wife,
Speaker 1: who you Jeezon already.
Speaker 6: That's my girl.
Speaker 1: But a few questions about your wife, but number one Lauren,
Speaker 1: who's incredible World Cup gold medalists and soccer. For those
Speaker 1: of y'all that don't know, I was diagnosed some years back,
Speaker 1: I think in twenty sixteen with a brain tumor. And
Speaker 1: you number one, you're a solid as a person as
Speaker 1: they come, but you taking time away from the season
Speaker 1: being there for her, taking care of her. Like, what
Speaker 1: was that like for you in that process of number one,
Speaker 1: dealing with that, like the scare of a brain tumor,
Speaker 1: like that serious stuff, so that before any basketball, but
Speaker 1: then going on and you know like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: going back to the season, like that'll be there or
Speaker 1: it won't be, but this is what I have to do.
Speaker 2: What was that whole process like for you or her?
Speaker 5: For me, it was the easiest decision I made because
Speaker 5: as much as I love basketball, it's always been God
Speaker 5: family basketball. So growing up being in the church obviously,
Speaker 5: you know, growing up your mama dragged the church and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 6: You don't want to go.
Speaker 5: But when you're faithful, I feel like God blesses you
Speaker 5: and He's done that in my life so many time.
Speaker 5: And another thing that my family has always taught me
Speaker 5: is that my family is most important. Obviously I loved
Speaker 5: again in basketball, and I've loved it since I was
Speaker 5: two or three years old, but I've loved my family
Speaker 5: more so. Again, you see my family league. We've talked
Speaker 5: about him earlier. But my wife, like I told you,
Speaker 5: is my dog, Like she's she's my person, and she
Speaker 5: has been for so long because of our same values.
Speaker 6: Same faith. Not only that, though, but she's always pushed
Speaker 6: me in my career and she's always had my back
Speaker 6: in my career. Like when I had doubts about uh
Speaker 6: ME being traded from Philly to New.
Speaker 5: Orleans, Like why would they do that after I had
Speaker 5: this type of season, Like am I just expendable? She like, not,
Speaker 5: you're the best player, No, you are the best players.
Speaker 5: So she would show she would show me love. But
Speaker 5: it's also because she experienced it herself, Like she got
Speaker 5: two gold medals in the Olympics, she got a World
Speaker 5: Cup gold medal and the w in the uh in
Speaker 5: the NWEL she was two time MVP and two time champions,
Speaker 5: like like like people don't know, like she is like
Speaker 5: the real athlete in my family, and I'm really just
Speaker 5: trying to sit at the table with her. And when
Speaker 5: it came down, when it came down to stop and
Speaker 5: to play basketball, bro, it was like it was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's easy, Like she's my rock.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't I wouldn't know what to do if I.
Speaker 5: Didn't have her, So it was it was an easy
Speaker 5: decision for me to take care of my family. And
Speaker 5: my daughter was also being born. So first my daughter
Speaker 5: had to be born. She was five and a half
Speaker 5: weeks early. She was born premature. And then a month later,
Speaker 5: my wife had surgery. All this happened at Duke in Carolina, right.
Speaker 6: So we got a new born.
Speaker 5: We got to make sure that she's okay, and say
Speaker 5: she's in Nikki for seven or eight days. My wife
Speaker 5: is going crazy because she's like she should be home
Speaker 5: with us. And I also still have to recover because
Speaker 5: I have surgery a month later, and it's like it's
Speaker 5: gonna it's gonna be okay. And then my wife had
Speaker 5: a ten hour surgery. Like think of like being in
Speaker 5: a hospital room for ten hours, not knowing what's gonna wait,
Speaker 5: just waiting but not knowing, Like somebody's like about that,
Speaker 5: like cut your brain open and you know, with your brain,
Speaker 5: so many different functions you can either have, you can
Speaker 5: have after or you can lose.
Speaker 6: Them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So not only are we waiting to see what happens
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, like she's also waiting.
Speaker 5: And it was like the longest ten.
Speaker 6: Hours in my life. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 5: But we had support from my family, her family, our friends.
Speaker 5: It was like we got a really good community. But
Speaker 5: it was, bro, It's hard. It's hard to think that
Speaker 5: somebody who was the best athlete in your family, somebody
Speaker 5: who's at i mean especially health wise, like the best health.
Speaker 6: Of her life, she just had a brain tumor and to.
Speaker 1: Go through this.
Speaker 5: So like I'm kind of hurting for her because I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm an athlete, Like what if that would happen to me,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like and me not knowing
Speaker 5: what's going on. So it was it was definitely a
Speaker 5: crazy time, but we did it together.
Speaker 6: Bro, And I mean I think I think that we
Speaker 6: made it through.
Speaker 5: And God bless us with a healthy child and we
Speaker 5: got another healthy child. My daughter's seven and my son
Speaker 5: is three, so and my wife is healthy too, So
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not a set And.
Speaker 6: Then I just put in perspective what basketball really was.
Speaker 5: It's a platform to show this ability that God gave me,
Speaker 5: and the glory goes to him, but also it goes
Speaker 5: to show like, as serious as I take this game,
Speaker 5: there are things.
Speaker 6: That are more serious, Yes, more important.
Speaker 2: Man. That's that's number one. That's crazy, but very special
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 1: I've been married now for a year and a half,
Speaker 1: but like to see that bond and like just being
Speaker 1: so willing, Like, you know, people sign up for marriage
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, and oftentimes people don't think, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm a have to deal with a woman that has
Speaker 1: a brain tumor and like take on all these things.
Speaker 1: And we have a one month old baby, and now
Speaker 1: I have to take care of the one month old and.
Speaker 2: My wife.
Speaker 1: And I mean, let's face it, man, we like your
Speaker 1: wife obviously an athlete and doing her own thing on
Speaker 1: the athletics side, but man, there's still so much that
Speaker 1: we don't so much of the burden that we don't
Speaker 1: have to carry due to our wives, you know, and
Speaker 1: to now have the person who lifts all the burdens
Speaker 1: up off you.
Speaker 2: Not be a burden to you, because it's not a burden.
Speaker 1: It's something like, I'm with you no matter what, but
Speaker 1: not be able to lift one of the biggest burdens,
Speaker 1: which is a newborn baby. And then also you, you know,
Speaker 1: having to be so relying up on you herself for
Speaker 1: you to just pull everything together, and that says so
Speaker 1: much about your strength. And obviously I've all you know,
Speaker 1: I've known for years, like I said before, one of
Speaker 1: the most solid people that I've ever met, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, And I've known that for years.
Speaker 1: But to just hear that, like and how you spoke
Speaker 1: about that, and to relive that, man, that's so special.
Speaker 1: That is because again, like you said, she's extremely healthy.
Speaker 1: And not only is she healthy person, she's thriving in
Speaker 1: her career.
Speaker 6: All right, bro, all right, like one of the best
Speaker 6: to ever do it. Yeah, crazy and number one.
Speaker 2: Just have to abruptly stop and like deal with all
Speaker 2: of those things.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I take my hat off to her.
Speaker 1: I take my hat off to you and and your
Speaker 1: and y'all family, because that that's man like, that's just
Speaker 1: out of god, Lee, I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 6: Well not I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 6: It was the time in my life where like it
Speaker 6: was definitely hard.
Speaker 5: Actually, I'm not sure I really told anybody outside of
Speaker 5: like my close friends is but like I didn't tell
Speaker 5: my wife how I felt or what I was going
Speaker 5: through in those moments, like in that year span or
Speaker 5: however long we knew until two years after.
Speaker 6: Like that two years later, I broke down and told her, Like,
Speaker 6: by the way, I think maybe it was a year
Speaker 6: or two after the whole thing went down, We in
Speaker 6: our bathroom and.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, by the way, like this is what
Speaker 5: I like, this is how I felt during that time,
Speaker 5: you know, like I felt like I had to be
Speaker 5: strong for him, but like internally, like I was scared shitless,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like I was, I was
Speaker 5: like I was scared out of my mind to lose
Speaker 5: my best friend. I know, I didn't know what was
Speaker 5: gonna happen my daughter. But I ended up telling her
Speaker 5: just one random day, like, hey, so this is actually
Speaker 5: what I was feeling back back when. Back then, I
Speaker 5: just wanted to.
Speaker 6: Let you know and get that out there. She was
Speaker 6: like to keep long enough because I mean because she
Speaker 6: cause she know me.
Speaker 5: That in that time like, I'm also hurting too, but
Speaker 5: also she also felt like I had to be tough
Speaker 5: for her, and she was like, yeah, it took you
Speaker 5: long enough.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, my bad in my own time. I mean,
Speaker 6: I had to tell her.
Speaker 2: So that's fire, that's fire. And she how she knows
Speaker 2: she's good enough.
Speaker 6: Great, great, God is good.
Speaker 2: God is good.
Speaker 1: Man, Bro, I appreciate you taking the time before we
Speaker 1: get out of here.
Speaker 2: We're going to end it on a much lighter note
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 1: But there's, as you know, like there's this influx of
Speaker 1: NBA brothers, there's this influx of NBA father, NBA sons,
Speaker 1: there's this there's just this influx of all of these things.
Speaker 2: You got the brothers and y'all. You got the curries.
Speaker 1: Well, Idlan will add dell in for the curries, will
Speaker 1: take them back to his prime for the curries.
Speaker 6: There we go.
Speaker 2: We put all y'all up against each other.
Speaker 1: You got the Thompsons, you got Michael Thompson, Klay Thompson,
Speaker 1: Mikey Thompson, you got Cody Zeller, Tyler Zeller. You got
Speaker 1: Mason plumb Lee, Miles Plumbley. The other brother wasn't quite
Speaker 1: good enough.
Speaker 5: But you got the Boss, you got the locals twins. Uh,
Speaker 5: you got the Morris twin. Brother, there's a grip of them.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Who winning these games? Who winning these games?
Speaker 1: Y'all taking them easy?
Speaker 5: Oh, it ain't easy because they the NBA players, But
Speaker 5: come on, now, we've got dogs over here.
Speaker 1: It's your whole family. Brothers don't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: It's your mom, it's your dad, it's sister. You with
Speaker 1: your brothers. It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in our blood literally, So it's an easy
Speaker 5: answer to me.
Speaker 1: The most athletic family out of La Drew my brother.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. Last question, are y'all winning
Speaker 1: the championship?
Speaker 6: You know, I think we got a good chance, Bro,
Speaker 6: I think we got a good chance. I think we
Speaker 6: got a good chance.
Speaker 5: I don't like to speak on it, like, oh, maybe
Speaker 5: out loud to myself obviously I know what I'm thinking,
Speaker 5: But I think we got a good chance.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of.
Speaker 5: Things obviously in place, hell and all that that we
Speaker 5: got to stay locked into. But man, we got a
Speaker 5: real good chance. And obviously right now in a month left,
Speaker 5: like it's a good feeling going in to this process
Speaker 5: knowing where we are mentally knowing where I'm not mentally
Speaker 5: feeling feeling real good.
Speaker 6: So yeah, man, we got a good chance.
Speaker 2: I love it, brother, I love it.
Speaker 1: One thing I will tell you about your Eastern Conference
Speaker 1: playoff series before it starts.
Speaker 2: I think y'all handled the Eastern Conference. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think y'all are that good. One of the best
Speaker 1: teams I've seen around since, like our power teams.
Speaker 5: You know, like when we were like one of the best,
Speaker 5: like you, y' y'all got one of the telling you
Speaker 5: telling me, y'all got one.
Speaker 6: Of the best teams since since me.
Speaker 1: Honestly, we knew we were going to win the championship.
Speaker 1: It was just a matter of the date getting there.
Speaker 1: Like when we got Kevin. It was weird, not weird,
Speaker 1: like all of us playing together and trying to make
Speaker 1: it work. It was weird up intil Christmas, and we
Speaker 1: got smacked on Christmas Day. If I'm not mistake either,
Speaker 1: we got smacked on Christmas. No, I don't think we
Speaker 1: got smacked. That may have been the game where Kyrie
Speaker 1: hit the shimmy fade to win it, But then after
Speaker 1: that game, we lost that game to the Cavs because
Speaker 1: at that time. That was during the time where if
Speaker 1: you played in the finals, it was always a rematch
Speaker 1: on Christmas there, and it was at the home team.
Speaker 1: You know, whoever won the finals, they got the home game.
Speaker 1: And so we're playing the Cavs and like, it don't
Speaker 1: work out for us in that game, Kyrie hits a
Speaker 1: tough shot, as Kyrie does, and we lose that game.
Speaker 1: And I remember after that game Kevin telling Steph like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about me, Like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to try to give me the ball, y'all don't
Speaker 1: have to try to run a bunch of plays for me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. I'm going to score to basketball,
Speaker 1: do what y'all do. And when Kevin said that, that
Speaker 1: unlocked Steph. That unlocked Kevin. We beat them two weeks
Speaker 1: later by fifty points, and it was just once that happened,
Speaker 1: it was just.
Speaker 2: A at a time of us like, yo, we know
Speaker 2: we win in a championship.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one of the craziest things for
Speaker 1: me with those teams, one of the craziest things for
Speaker 1: me was that you know how coaches always say, like
Speaker 1: you can't flip the light switch on and off, like
Speaker 1: you try to flip that light switch on and it
Speaker 1: don't turn on, Like it just don't work like that.
Speaker 2: That is the first time in my life that I
Speaker 2: learned I was a lot.
Speaker 1: We literally like half times during the season where we
Speaker 1: turning up, we get drunk, we kicking it, and we
Speaker 1: have times where we walk in and like, yo, for
Speaker 1: the next two weeks, we're gonna approach this like playoffs,
Speaker 1: nobody drinking, nobody going out, and let's just see where
Speaker 1: we are. We win nine games in a row or
Speaker 1: eight out of nine games, and so that's like or
Speaker 1: we walk in at halftime, we down twenty points and
Speaker 1: we're like, yo, turn it up. Now, let's turn it
Speaker 1: up and go win this game. By the end of
Speaker 1: the third quarter, we up fifteen points. And so for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was crazy like that.
Speaker 6: Y'all could have like a thirty point swing in what
Speaker 6: seven minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy. So I think
Speaker 2: that's what I like.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that stood out most for me is
Speaker 1: that if we walked in the gym and we said, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is a game we need to win, or this
Speaker 1: is a game we need we're going to win, or
Speaker 1: let's go win this game.
Speaker 5: We were gonna win the game like and that like
Speaker 5: that to me mentally're just on a different level than everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's like I see some of that
Speaker 1: out of y'all right now, where like y'all coming into
Speaker 1: these games and it's like, no, we winning this game,
Speaker 1: like the game didn't like it is what it is.
Speaker 2: We win in this game.
Speaker 1: And that's like right now, if there's any teams in
Speaker 1: the NBA that have that is y'all in them, you know,
Speaker 1: that's like, oh, we winning this game when we walk in.
Speaker 1: And so, man Bro, I can't thank you enough for
Speaker 1: coming on the show. It's a good luck in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell everybody one last story. We want a
Speaker 1: gold medal in two and twenty one, which was twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Olympics, and Drew.
Speaker 2: Book came in.
Speaker 1: All arrived the morning of the game because the playoffs
Speaker 1: went late that year.
Speaker 2: They were playing in the finals.
Speaker 1: Drew hops off a plane from La I think or
Speaker 1: somewhere west of Seattle. Hops on a plane, flies all
Speaker 1: the way to Japan, comes out the gate, no practice,
Speaker 1: play thirty one minutes. We end up losing that first game,
Speaker 1: Evan forty eight played out of his mind. But what
Speaker 1: you did for offense, Like we got to a point
Speaker 1: where we lost that first game, we had a player's
Speaker 1: only meeting and we just talked and we're like, yo, everybody,
Speaker 1: just play basketball.
Speaker 2: Like drive if you can score, go score if you
Speaker 2: can't kick it out.
Speaker 1: And what you did far off, like you just start
Speaker 1: driving the ball just to kick the ball, and like
Speaker 1: starting the domino.
Speaker 2: And when I watched you play during.
Speaker 1: The Olympics, and you did that offensively, and then obviously
Speaker 1: what you was doing defensively, like I obviously had seen
Speaker 1: you playing and like all of these things, but that
Speaker 1: right there for me, when you were doing that, that
Speaker 1: took you to a whole nother stratosphere for me in
Speaker 1: my mind to watch that. And I just want to
Speaker 1: say thank you because you got me another gold medal.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother. I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 5: No, I thank you for saying that, because a lot
Speaker 5: of people do talk about my defense, but I do
Speaker 5: take probably in my offense too. You know, absolutely, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. I work on it and I
Speaker 5: put in that type of work. But I think knowing
Speaker 5: what the type of talent that I was playing with, Like,
Speaker 5: it wasn't really meant for me to score.
Speaker 6: We got scoring, but I think getting advantage and just
Speaker 6: like getting into the paint.
Speaker 5: I've seen you do that so many times where you
Speaker 5: getting to the bank, you draw that person up, you
Speaker 5: throught a lot, or you draw the person you get
Speaker 5: the kickout.
Speaker 6: So I think, man, it was so fun playing not
Speaker 6: only like the European game, but.
Speaker 5: Playing with like the best players in the world. Bro,
Speaker 5: Like that's like such an honor because who doesn't want
Speaker 5: to represent a country and play with the best players
Speaker 5: in the best league in the world.
Speaker 2: So no AGGREI you had, my brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: For those of y'all out there watching, I'm about to
Speaker 1: send Drew a couple of restaurants in Detroit so he
Speaker 1: can have a whole other sperience in Detroit that these
Speaker 1: NBA players don't be having. And Detroit is going to
Speaker 1: become a city, is going to become a player favorite city,
Speaker 1: y'all just watch, and I'm starting here with Drew.
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming on the show,
Speaker 2: my brother. Good luck in the playoffs, Bro.
Speaker 6: You said, Bro, you know you know I'll see you
Speaker 6: around hopefully in the finals.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you playing the Olympics this year.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I am praise to God Almighty that I
Speaker 1: could end up carrying somebody backs.
Speaker 2: On that team. There we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey man, hey, we'll see. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Man, Yes, sir much love my dog. Thank you, bro.
Speaker 6: For sure.