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Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Pottery. All three benchmarks rose in tandem today

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Speaker 1: point five five per cent. And that's a Bloomberg Business flash.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Taking Stock with Kathleen Hayes and Pim

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Speaker 1: Fox on Bloomberg Radio. Well, she may head up one

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Speaker 1: of the most successful, fast growing fintech companies in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Online learning the small business started back in two thousand

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Speaker 1: nine a company called Cabbage. Katherine Bertalia actually was a

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Speaker 1: graduate student in literature, John Steinbeck being one of her favorites.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how she got from Steinbeck to fintech.

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Speaker 1: Last you want to find out? Now? Cabbage is where

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Speaker 1: the name of the company based in Atlanta, Georgia, and

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Speaker 1: she's there today. Katherine, thanks for joining us. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me so. First of all, your your small business

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Speaker 1: lending is unique from a lot of other firms. You

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Speaker 1: lend up to about a hundred thousand dollars. It's all online.

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Speaker 1: Your your software quickly evaluates their readiness and it's directly

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Speaker 1: to the senses themselves. That's correct. So how does it

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Speaker 1: work so our customers are able to give us access

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Speaker 1: to the data that they used to run their business.

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Speaker 1: Have you've ever logged into some other website. With Facebook,

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Speaker 1: it works much the same way. So we don't take

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Speaker 1: the customers credentials, but they log into their check the account,

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Speaker 1: or to quick books or UM their payment process or

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Speaker 1: some other information UM some other site that they're using

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Speaker 1: to run their business, and we're able to take that

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Speaker 1: data to make a really rapid underwriting decision for them.

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Speaker 1: Instead of having to produce and provide financial statements and

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Speaker 1: UM bank statements and spend a lot of time gathering

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Speaker 1: documentation for traditional loan we're able to do that work

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Speaker 1: for them now. Catherine, taking a look at the operations

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Speaker 1: of Cabbage, I understand that overall that the loans that

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Speaker 1: you originated in the first half of the year rose

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Speaker 1: in volume compared to but the pace of the growth

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Speaker 1: has slowed. So in you originated about nine million dollar

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Speaker 1: dollar's worth of loans, and I'm wondering what you can

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Speaker 1: tell us so far about this year because you've got

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Speaker 1: some competition, I mean, on debt capital loaned about one

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Speaker 1: point nine billion. Yes, there are plenty of players in

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Speaker 1: this space. The last six and nine months have certainly

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Speaker 1: been interesting to watch from an outsider's perspective. I'm sure. UM.

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Speaker 1: So there's certainly there's been some more crowding in the market,

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Speaker 1: although that's really loosened up a little bit, I think

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Speaker 1: in the last four or five months. UM. I think

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Speaker 1: from our perspective, it's just a matter of being smart. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're not trying to buy the market. We're trying to

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Speaker 1: you know, move into new markets. And we really have

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Speaker 1: two businesses. We have a direct lending business in the US,

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Speaker 1: and we also license our technology to global financial stitutions

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Speaker 1: banks like Santander and I m G and Scotia Bank worldwide.

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Speaker 1: So we have our efforts focused in two places. How

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Speaker 1: did you your companies based in Atlanta, Georgia? You did

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Speaker 1: spend time in Silicon Valley. I'm interested to how you

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Speaker 1: you ended up your headquarters on on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the country. Uh and uh. Also we're good idea

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Speaker 1: of this for this came from well, why Atlanta? We

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Speaker 1: get asked that question a lot. Honestly, we lived there.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a great it seems like a great place.

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Speaker 1: Breast one a lot of people don't know is um

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Speaker 1: When the Fed automated payments in the fifties, they did

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Speaker 1: that in the Atlanta region and as a as a result,

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Speaker 1: a lot of financial technology companies grew up in that area.

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Speaker 1: So it's a great place to start a fin tech company. UM.

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Speaker 1: And your other question about the name Cabbage, was that correct? Um? So,

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Speaker 1: Cabbage is If you google cabbage with the C, you'll

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Speaker 1: for cash. It's a depression era term. Um. And we

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Speaker 1: So we picked Cabbage with the K. Now, Cabbage was

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Speaker 1: founded in two thousand eight. I understand you've raised about

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Speaker 1: Is that accurate? Um? We We don't comment publicly on

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Speaker 1: that you can give us on the launch of Carrot,

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Speaker 1: which was the consumer lending business that was back in

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Speaker 1: Have you decided that's not something that's not a way

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Speaker 1: you want to go? Well, you know, the reason we

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Speaker 1: launched Carrot was twofold. One of them was because we

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Speaker 1: the first white label, if you will, launch that we

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Speaker 1: that sort of catapuled this into the limelight from a

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Speaker 1: from a software and technology perspective and what precipitated all

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Speaker 1: of the relationships we have with these global banks. So

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Speaker 1: we're excited about the way we were able to demonstrate

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Speaker 1: the flexibility of the technology using Carrot, But that market

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Speaker 1: to try to run out and compete with all of

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Speaker 1: the consumer lenders in the in the world, Catherine, I'm

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Speaker 1: interested to um ups of course, is also based in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: That was one of your first very clever partnerships back

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Speaker 1: in twelve uh you entertaining agreement allowing small businesses to

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Speaker 1: share their shipping histories with Cabbage. You've done so many

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Speaker 1: how how is that one working? What's it? What does

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Speaker 1: it mean for Cabbage? So the bank partnerships effectively allow

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Speaker 1: customers that they had a hard time serving before, not

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Speaker 1: because of an underwriting process, but because they had a

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Speaker 1: hard time serving small businesses who were looking for less

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Speaker 1: than a hundred thousand dollars. Most banks spend the same

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Speaker 1: amount of money to originative by thousand dollar loan is

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Speaker 1: they want a five million dollar loan from a small

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Speaker 1: business perspective. So the way the process works on the

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Speaker 1: way to gather data makes it cost effective now for

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Speaker 1: banks to serve really small businesses that were previously just

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Speaker 1: in particular is um it's their brand, it's their bank,

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Speaker 1: but it's our technology in the back end of powering

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Speaker 1: the loans they're making to their small business customers. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you very much for spending time with us.

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Speaker 1: Katherine Petrolia is the co founder and the head of

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Speaker 1: operations for Cabbage. They're based in Atlanta. Thank you for

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