Speaker 1: Warning.
Speaker 2: This podcast is a mail bag podcast, but it's gonna
Speaker 2: contain spoilers from a variety of different stories and comics
Speaker 2: and movies and television shows likely, so you know, like,
Speaker 2: if you don't want to get spoiled about what's going
Speaker 2: on in Star Wars, the High Republic comics, or the
Speaker 2: sixth book of the Harry Potter series and just pass
Speaker 2: on it. But we're gonna be talking about that stuff,
Speaker 2: so be warned.
Speaker 1: Hello. My name is JASONN.
Speaker 2: Stepsci, and welcome next to Revision the Crooked Podcast, where
Speaker 2: we dive deep down into your favorite shows, movies, comics,
Speaker 2: and pop culture. Joining me today, Oh, the gang is
Speaker 2: back together for the holiday mail bag. We have both
Speaker 2: of our hosts, the great Rosie Knight and the fantastically
Speaker 2: talented Cody Ziggler.
Speaker 1: Folks, how are you?
Speaker 3: We are great, We're thriving. As I told both of you,
Speaker 3: I'm going to see Spider Man away Home after we
Speaker 3: we this. Yes, yes, I expect the group chat and
Speaker 3: my Twitter to be exploding with nerdy takes all weekend, folks.
Speaker 3: I'm getting it here now. I'm doing great.
Speaker 4: I love it. I am also doing great. I'm so
Speaker 4: stoked to be here with both of you.
Speaker 5: I'm so stoked you're about to sea Spider Mans in
Speaker 5: you you are writing Spider Man.
Speaker 4: You have already seen.
Speaker 3: I know, I know. Like when they said that, hey
Speaker 3: you can that. One of the producers of this show
Speaker 3: was like, hey, we have screenings this day. As like,
Speaker 3: I thought about getting a flight back to la just
Speaker 3: to see it, but I was much more conscious about
Speaker 3: my money spending.
Speaker 4: But good plan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really wanted to see it early.
Speaker 2: I love that responsibility. But you know, I'm glad you're
Speaker 2: seeing it today. Okay, let's get to the mail. Our
Speaker 2: first question, Lars asks what are her own thoughts on
Speaker 2: the High Republic the Star Wars High Republic novels and
Speaker 2: comics so far. I think they're a very interesting direction
Speaker 2: to go into for Star Wars. What upcoming projects are
Speaker 2: we excited for for the Disney Plus shows aside from Kenobi,
Speaker 2: which everyone is pumped for. Rosie, you had some very
Speaker 2: specific thoughts about their Higher Republic comics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really love it.
Speaker 5: Actually, I think it's a really cool project and kind
Speaker 5: of it has a massive scope.
Speaker 4: In case you haven't seen it, it's a.
Speaker 5: New era of Star Wars and it goes over comics,
Speaker 5: graphic novels, for kids, adult novels. It's got all kinds
Speaker 5: of incredible creators. Claudia Gray did my favorite book so
Speaker 5: far called Into the Dark. She'd also done this incredible
Speaker 5: Star Wars book called Lost Stars, Kevan Scott, Justina Ireland,
Speaker 5: Daniel Jose Older, Charles Saul Like, it's smalls board of
Speaker 5: great creators. And the really cool thing is, if you like,
Speaker 5: if you grew up reading Star Wars expanded Universe and
Speaker 5: kind of these stories that added to the law that
Speaker 5: you loved in this really new and inventive way. This
Speaker 5: is very much HARKing back to that age, but in
Speaker 5: a canonized way.
Speaker 4: This is official Star Wars stuff.
Speaker 5: But it's got that scope and that new characters, exciting
Speaker 5: new worlds, and I just think it's really good. And yeah,
Speaker 5: if I was going to recommend one, i'd say Claudia Gray,
Speaker 5: Into the Dark is a really great place to start.
Speaker 5: But Charles Saw also did the High Republic kind of
Speaker 5: kickoff books, So if you don't know where to start,
Speaker 5: that's a good novel to get in on the ground floor.
Speaker 1: Charlestill crushing it right now.
Speaker 3: I know he's killing it.
Speaker 2: He is absolutely killing it. Okay, Emil asks what are
Speaker 2: your top crossover events? My favorite of all time was
Speaker 2: Galactic Storm. He also mentions Nightfall, Acts of Vengeance, the
Speaker 2: Original Inferno shout out to the Original Inferno, and Madeline Pride.
Speaker 1: Reign of Superman also have an honorable mention.
Speaker 2: Uh, Zig, what are your favorite crossovers?
Speaker 3: Ah Man, that's such a good question. You know, I
Speaker 3: was a big fan of World War Hulk because that
Speaker 3: was the first crossover actually got into, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know how crossovers work, so I just thought there were
Speaker 3: a dozen books all about the World War. Also, I
Speaker 3: distinctly remember reading An Unredeemable Ant Man where Eric O'Grady
Speaker 3: had to shrink down to go inside the Hulk to
Speaker 3: try to kill him. But yeah, Insider just destrogged his outside,
Speaker 3: so he just got And like that was my intro
Speaker 3: into like crossover events. Like I'm soldly that, Like that
Speaker 3: was a big fun because you just see Hulk beat
Speaker 3: up every single character in the Marvel universe, like his
Speaker 3: uh there's like a three issue I think one where
Speaker 3: he goes to uh Professor X's academy and like he
Speaker 3: just curb stumps all of those, Yeah, guys, those are
Speaker 3: probably that's probably that In Marvel zombies are like my
Speaker 3: favorite crossover.
Speaker 1: Events, Rosie.
Speaker 5: I like the weird stuff especially so like I have
Speaker 5: a lot of like weird old crossovers like Batman Sport
Speaker 5: and Batman Predator, Archie versus Predator I really like when
Speaker 5: you get I mean Batman versus Gore make sense. They
Speaker 5: have a lot of capes. But seriously, if you haven't
Speaker 5: read Archie, guys has Predator. That is like one of
Speaker 5: the funniest, deepest kind of comics. More on like a
Speaker 5: classic superhero Level is definitely like Crisis on Infinite Earth,
Speaker 5: also Infinity Gauntlet. Like I like those big cosmic stories
Speaker 5: where you get to see all these different characters you
Speaker 5: would never expect kind of brawling it out.
Speaker 4: Jason, what about you?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh. I also love those big, sprawling crossovers. I
Speaker 2: think Marvel Cosmic has had some of the greatest crossovers
Speaker 2: in recent years, so Annihilation, Annihilation Conquest or just like
Speaker 2: Massive in scope, they introduced the modern version of the
Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy team. You get to watch a
Speaker 2: group actually speak in words in this but it's it's
Speaker 2: super great, Like Giant space opera across many, many worlds.
Speaker 2: Incredible villain, really really fun. In that same vein War
Speaker 2: of Kings was also really good. Maybe he doesn't get
Speaker 2: quite the shine, but also another Dan Abnett and Andy
Speaker 2: Lanning kind of like cosmic crossover, this time kind of related.
Speaker 2: It's like a lot of Summer's family. So Scott Summer's
Speaker 2: Cyclops is a mutant, his brother Alex also a mutant.
Speaker 1: Their other brother Vulcan, also a mutant.
Speaker 2: They all have these kind of like energy powers, and
Speaker 2: it's you know, Vulcan basically is extremely powerful and he
Speaker 2: just basically goes nuts and people have to try and
Speaker 2: stop him, and the various kings that try to stop him,
Speaker 2: and include black Bolt and the King of the Humans.
Speaker 1: It's really really fun, really good. And then I guess.
Speaker 2: More recently, War of the Realms I really enjoyed as
Speaker 2: just like a good old Thor fun. It was really
Speaker 2: really great to watch the various baddies from Asgarden elsewhere
Speaker 2: trying to invade Earth. Good good stuff right there, and
Speaker 2: that whole Thor run up to War of the Realms
Speaker 2: starting with Jason Aaron's it's like it's just it's an
Speaker 2: unrivaled run of greatness.
Speaker 1: So check that out.
Speaker 5: And that's a good I think that's a really good
Speaker 5: place if you want to know what might be happening
Speaker 5: and Thoor love and Thunder, it's like a very good
Speaker 5: and also Russell Dorman is just like the best.
Speaker 6: So whenever you get that rustle lot, you're just like.
Speaker 1: A v D sixty nine seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Asks do you think we'll ever get a solid live
Speaker 2: action anime? Uh?
Speaker 3: Let me. Rosie and I are both about the clapaphone
Speaker 3: or soapbox, so please bear with this, please.
Speaker 4: Please, I'm I'm presenting the soapbooks. Do you warm up?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? There are tons of really really solid live
Speaker 3: action adaptations of anime and manga just never gets over here.
Speaker 3: I'd say, like just right out the back. The most
Speaker 3: recent one that I can think of that's easily accessible
Speaker 3: is Late of the Immortal. Yes, I think that's on
Speaker 3: Amazon or who if you have a streaming network, is
Speaker 3: going to be on there, like a really really great one.
Speaker 3: I think this was a manga. I don't think it
Speaker 3: actually got an adaptation to animation just yet. But I
Speaker 3: am a hero. If you're a big fan of zombies
Speaker 3: or like a Walking Dead. It's a really nice, interesting
Speaker 3: take on that from the perspective of like just an
Speaker 3: everyday shlub in the middle of Japan, like a big
Speaker 3: dan city in Japan. It's really great, really interesting, Like
Speaker 3: it's fun seeing how their gun laws just affect how
Speaker 3: you would survive a zombie invasion. And if you're looking
Speaker 3: for like a fun American ad patient that's a little
Speaker 3: cheesy and also just have some great practical effects. The
Speaker 3: Guiver and the Guyver Dark Heroes from the mid nineties great.
Speaker 3: If you want to see Mark Hamill change into a
Speaker 3: giant cockroach, that's the movie to watch.
Speaker 4: Who doesn't want to see that?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, Blater the more old Like I think
Speaker 5: it was Takashi Meks like two hundredth movie or something
Speaker 5: as well. I got to interview him about it. It
Speaker 5: was like my dream. But that movie is so great.
Speaker 5: It's so violent, it's so interesting, it's so thoughtful, it's
Speaker 5: so fun. Also, like the Japanese Death Note is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's very like zerozy, but I really like that. I
Speaker 5: think also the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure movie that they did
Speaker 5: the live action one, so I think like all already
Speaker 5: great live action anime adaptations being made. They're just generally
Speaker 5: being made in Japan. I was just going to seek
Speaker 5: them out, and I do think I do believe we
Speaker 5: can get them here too. I just think it's a journey.
Speaker 5: They've been making them in Japan for so long. That's
Speaker 5: where the quality comes from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they have hometime advantage. I will say,
Speaker 3: even like at Leata Battle Angel wasn't terrible like I
Speaker 3: thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like that movie. Actually yeah, I kind of like that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a fun like it's there. You think
Speaker 3: you just, like RADI said, you have to look a
Speaker 3: little bit harder than like just Netflix.
Speaker 2: John asks is JK Rowling's exclusion from the twentieth anniversary
Speaker 2: get together that's on HBO Max, the original cast all
Speaker 2: getting together in the kind of like Friends reunion. Vein
Speaker 2: is her exclusion appropriate giving her critical role as author
Speaker 2: of the HP universe. It's I'll let you guys go first,
Speaker 2: but yes.
Speaker 3: By a video, yeah, yes, next question yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It is and she's still getting paid, so I'm sure
Speaker 5: she's Fine's I mean, write some nasty tweets and then
Speaker 5: hopefully people can enjoy it without, you know, they didn't
Speaker 5: want to have to edit out her say and all
Speaker 5: that stuff.
Speaker 4: She would inevitably have.
Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, she'll She'll be fine. Your weirdest friends from
Speaker 3: high school and college will still defend them and like
Speaker 3: you can just ignore them on your Facebook or timeline,
Speaker 3: They'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I mean JK recently, like with like days ago, quintumpled
Speaker 2: or quint you know what, Sex tuppled down on her
Speaker 2: transphobic stance with a pretty inflammatory tweet that I'm not
Speaker 2: going to repeat here, but it's in vain with her
Speaker 2: other stuff. I'll just say that, like the community that
Speaker 2: grew up around the stories that took from those stories,
Speaker 2: this kind of message of inclusion, of acceptance, of people
Speaker 2: finding who they are and finding the magic within themselves
Speaker 2: and finding community. That way, UH should move on as
Speaker 2: a community without the kind of divisiveness Unfortunately that JK
Speaker 2: is injecting into the conversation. Just like, you know, sit
Speaker 2: in your Scottish castle and enjoy your money.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: Like you wrote the stories, and as Rosie noted, you're
Speaker 2: still getting significantly paid and so just enjoy your billions
Speaker 2: and stop tweeting about I about trans people in a really,
Speaker 2: really terrible way. Next, Ash asks, the Disney plus Hawkeye
Speaker 2: series lifts so wonderfully and heavily from the fraction in
Speaker 2: Aya run. But as I understand it, Aya isn't credited
Speaker 2: much less paid for Disney using all of this work.
Speaker 1: What's up with that?
Speaker 2: And can you guys talk about how Disney is literally
Speaker 2: just having their credits people and production designers create quote
Speaker 2: unquote fan art essentially of all as work.
Speaker 1: Rosie, you have as well.
Speaker 5: So if anyone's read any of my work, and if
Speaker 5: you haven't, there's there's a ton there if you'd like to.
Speaker 5: But I write quite a lot about creative rights and
Speaker 5: creative credits and Disney and also Marvel before Disney.
Speaker 2: This is a long established established the beginning of the industry.
Speaker 5: Like when comics began, there was not such a thing
Speaker 5: as a work for higher contract.
Speaker 4: It was very blurred.
Speaker 5: That's why you can have Jack Kirby's family or the
Speaker 5: Segal and Schuster estates arguing for the ownership of these characters.
Speaker 5: But from around the seventies, everyone in comics, in Big
Speaker 5: Two Comics, Marvel and DC has been working under what
Speaker 5: it's called a work fire contract. When you make these characters.
Speaker 5: When you create them, they are owned by Marvel. Now,
Speaker 5: the question is when you signed that contract, did you
Speaker 5: know that Marvel or DC would become the biggest blockbuster
Speaker 5: industry in the entire world and you were creating characters
Speaker 5: that could be used to make billions of dollars. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's lots of creators who have talked out about this
Speaker 5: a lot. Jim Stalin, the creator of Thanos, he he
Speaker 5: basically talked shit on Marvel not paying him and Disney
Speaker 5: not paying him until they did, and it was incredible,
Speaker 5: and that is Jason kind of pointed this out before
Speaker 5: we started talking. But you can maybe get paid by Disney,
Speaker 5: but you're gonna have to go after them to get
Speaker 5: that money. And also, the crediting thing is interesting because
Speaker 5: David Aheart is a really really extreme example. The entire
Speaker 5: Hawkeye credits are taken from his art style, all the
Speaker 5: promotional work, and he did a tweet where he said,
Speaker 5: I'm not bothered about being credited like Disney, just how
Speaker 5: about you pay me? Essentially I'm paraphrasing, and that made
Speaker 5: people say, wait, he's not getting paid. Basically, he does
Speaker 5: get a technical credit where if you wait till the
Speaker 5: end of Hawkeye, and I always write all of these
Speaker 5: and explain who is being thankedful what. In my Easter eggs,
Speaker 5: you can see a special thanks. They have this at
Speaker 5: the end of movies, and that is essentially where they
Speaker 5: acknowledge the people who created either the characters or the
Speaker 5: story arcs which are being taken from. There was a
Speaker 5: creator who was one of the co creators of Yolena
Speaker 5: the Black Widow, who came out and said, you know,
Speaker 5: when you get the special Thanks, there is a set
Speaker 5: payment that Marvel is allegedly gonna send you. But even
Speaker 5: that five thousand dollars or whatever it's supposed to be,
Speaker 5: is not something that they immediately send you five yeah,
Speaker 5: and that's to seek them out apparently to get it.
Speaker 5: So the special thanks is it's there. I'm glad it exists,
Speaker 5: but I would like to see a Hawkeye based on
Speaker 5: characters by with the big credit, you know, that would
Speaker 5: be nice.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is.
Speaker 4: A contracting issue.
Speaker 5: It's an ongoing issue that multiple corporations have and that
Speaker 5: Comic Books is at the very heart of. But I
Speaker 5: think it's really really cool that Ash pointed this out,
Speaker 5: because I think it's the question a lot of people have,
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people assume that anyone
Speaker 5: who writes comics is a millionaire because these movies.
Speaker 2: Where's one hundred which is, as we know, zig one
Speaker 2: hundred percent true?
Speaker 1: Yes, you.
Speaker 4: Wrote Spider Man.
Speaker 6: So yeah.
Speaker 5: So I think it's really cool that people are having
Speaker 5: these conversations. I would love for David a how to
Speaker 5: get paid more? I would And so another thing that
Speaker 5: people were kind of confused about, specifically with Hawkeye, Matt
Speaker 5: for Action is listed as a consulting producer. So a
Speaker 5: lot of people said, oh, why isn't David ahar listed
Speaker 5: as that. We don't know what those conversations we had
Speaker 5: between the two of them, but what we do know
Speaker 5: is Disney and Marvel Studios did not reach out to
Speaker 5: Matt Fraction to be a consulting producer. In fact, it
Speaker 5: was revealed that Seth Myers put him in touch with
Speaker 5: the creative team on the show and said he because
Speaker 5: that he was friends with both of them, and he said, hey,
Speaker 5: why don't you bring.
Speaker 6: Maw and as a producer. So Disney is not doing
Speaker 6: that outreach.
Speaker 5: It's all about the personal connections that you make and
Speaker 5: the kind of willingness that you have to fight and
Speaker 5: David Aha, he's very happy. Man doesn't really sell his
Speaker 5: original art, makes his cool art, Like he kind of
Speaker 5: did a ship post about Disney and I think now
Speaker 5: he's just like, don't worry about me.
Speaker 4: Guys, Like I'm fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Rosie covered everything that needed to be covered.
Speaker 3: But also it's one of those things where like there's
Speaker 3: no comic book unions like I'm I'm a television writers,
Speaker 3: Like we have a whole union that's fault for years
Speaker 3: to make sure that if I somebody ever adapts anythings
Speaker 3: that I've written, I get a pretty nice check and
Speaker 3: not just like I don't have to like hunt down
Speaker 3: the head of Sony.
Speaker 1: Studios to get there to find them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not the you know, I'm not Liam Neeson
Speaker 3: trying to track down the guy who took my money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Which is to say union productions are great. Uh,
Speaker 2: it would be great to have those in the comics
Speaker 2: industry so there more be a more equitable division of
Speaker 2: the monies which creators helped generate.
Speaker 1: And I think that's all in all a.
Speaker 2: Good thing that I hope we see more of than
Speaker 2: that we could fight for that's that would be good,
Speaker 2: and I would urge everyone to examine their personal relationship
Speaker 2: with corporations whenever they can.
Speaker 1: Y up next more mail bag.
Speaker 2: Continuing with the Hawkeye subject the Ronan suit, Tara asks
Speaker 2: where did it come from?
Speaker 1: And why is it called that? Rosie? Would you like
Speaker 1: to take us down into the lore?
Speaker 4: Yes, that's my dream.
Speaker 5: Like I have to say, O, I thought I would
Speaker 5: hate it. I'm a Jeremy Renner hater, but the show
Speaker 5: is great. I love all the characters they included. And
Speaker 5: so basically, something very cool. The first ever Ronan was
Speaker 5: actually Echo New Avengers eleven Brian Michael Bennison Jokesada created her,
Speaker 5: and then Clint took on the mantle and a bunch
Speaker 5: of other people took it on. But something that is
Speaker 5: really cool is that originally Ronan was actually meant to
Speaker 5: be revealed as Matt Murdoch, but editorially there was like
Speaker 5: a conflict with the Dead Evil title, so they went
Speaker 5: with Echo. So you have Echo and then you have Clint,
Speaker 5: and that is where Ronan comes from, and Echoed that
Speaker 5: was just her cool costume. But obviously it's inverted here
Speaker 5: where we saw Clint have the suit first in the MCU,
Speaker 5: and then you know, we haven't seen Echo.
Speaker 2: It is a fake out in New Avengers, well, you
Speaker 2: know whatever issue that is. Captain America goes to see
Speaker 2: Daredevil and is like, hey, I need somebody for this mission.
Speaker 1: Do you know anyway? I think you'd be great.
Speaker 2: For it, and Matt's like, maybe I would, And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, this Ronan shows up. But then
Speaker 2: it's a fake out and it's actually spoiler Echo.
Speaker 3: Also it's it's rown in r O N I N
Speaker 3: for those who are playing at home, rone in r
Speaker 3: A in. The accuser wrote in.
Speaker 4: That I understand the confusion, but it's Roan. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: the it's.
Speaker 1: The Letlone Samurai Ronan.
Speaker 2: The accuser is of course a Cree and part of
Speaker 2: the whole Accuser squad, who are kind of like combined
Speaker 2: an extension of the pre military slash judicial system slash
Speaker 2: warrior who goes out there and is like judge, jury
Speaker 2: and executioner like everywhere in space where he is continuing
Speaker 2: with more stuff that can kind of branch off from Hawkeye.
Speaker 2: Uh Angtrik asks, where when how do we think that
Speaker 2: the MCU will officially do Young Avengers who I mean
Speaker 2: they're all here, which is great. As soon as Doctor
Speaker 2: Stranger in the Multiverse of Madness comes out, we will
Speaker 2: get America Chaves, so are all here but one? Well
Speaker 2: Hulkling also okay, so never mind they're not all here,
Speaker 2: we're missing Hulking in American showing they're on their way soon.
Speaker 1: When do we think we'll see them?
Speaker 3: You know, I think uh, I mean you already touched
Speaker 3: the America job as I'm wondering if there will be
Speaker 3: some hopeling action in Secret Wars. I'm thinking maybe that's
Speaker 3: when we'll get a little bit more of the scroll Side,
Speaker 3: because we really haven't gotten much out of them outside
Speaker 3: of you know, a Thoroughway joke in the second Spider
Speaker 3: Man movie and and you know Captain Marvel. So I'm
Speaker 3: hoping there will be some hopeing action and then and
Speaker 3: then we can finally all come together and get my
Speaker 3: I want to see my boy Patriot leading the charge
Speaker 3: like see signs.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really I think that Post one division. You know,
Speaker 5: we know that we have late wi Can and speed
Speaker 5: and and and like with Secret Invasion coming, we could
Speaker 5: definitely see Hulkling come there. Jason, you mentioned before we
Speaker 5: were recording about it being very suited for TV, and
Speaker 5: I actually think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a show. I think
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a show, like I think it'll
Speaker 2: be a Young Avengers show. Maybe they'll move out to
Speaker 2: la It feels like it feels like Kate already needs
Speaker 2: a change of scenery age. He's already thinking about the
Speaker 2: warmer climates, get a new start somewhere else. I think
Speaker 2: they'll move out there and they'll do some stuff out there.
Speaker 2: Here's something I've been thinking about's sort of an asidety.
Speaker 2: You mentioned secret invasion. Who's the scroll?
Speaker 1: Somebody right now? Is the scroll? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 6: You know it?
Speaker 4: You know there's a scroll somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the scroll right now? In the MCU it's someone.
Speaker 5: Oh boy do I used to be the number one
Speaker 5: at talk.
Speaker 6: I used to be like, it's why would he do
Speaker 6: all of this stuff? That's not the case.
Speaker 4: I've seen the show. I take it all back. I'm
Speaker 4: sorry I've been wrong for like five years.
Speaker 6: It's probably gonna be someone less. I think it's going
Speaker 6: to be shieldy or someone less obvious.
Speaker 5: I love the idea of it being like in the
Speaker 5: comics where it's this huge, sprawling thing, but I think
Speaker 5: Figi said it's going to be much more intimate, much
Speaker 5: more kind of paranoid, scary, kind of like espionage drama.
Speaker 5: So in that way, I think it's going to much
Speaker 5: more likely to be a shield type kind of yeah,
Speaker 5: secondary character, but still that's gonna have a little bit
Speaker 5: of impact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've already infiltrated swords, so like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm with Rosie. I think it'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: that person that had three lines in that one scene.
Speaker 2: I predicted Maria Hills. That's really Yeah, here's a fun well, actually,
Speaker 2: this is a great opportunity to talk about a thing
Speaker 2: that caused a lot of controversy. What if it's Officer
Speaker 2: Paxton aka Bobby Canavali from the from the from the
Speaker 2: ant Man universe, or someone's like someone's wife and or
Speaker 2: partner and or kid being a scroll. I think could
Speaker 2: be fun and so let me address this now. Many
Speaker 2: people were like, hey, did Jason forget that Bobby canavally
Speaker 2: is offers practicing from ant Man? Uh, no idea forget?
Speaker 2: But what I did forget to do? And this is
Speaker 2: what happens. This is like a mal and I used
Speaker 2: to talk about this on bingemin all the time, where
Speaker 2: we are so used to talking to each other about
Speaker 2: this stuff, that would you forget that this is for
Speaker 2: people and that you have to provide context all the
Speaker 2: time for things. And we'll just like have like inside
Speaker 2: jokes and non sequitters that make it onto the tape
Speaker 2: and you listen back and you're like, this is like
Speaker 2: a statement that is referencing nothing like only we would
Speaker 2: get this. So, yes, I knew that he is Officer Paxson.
Speaker 2: The thing that I forgot to mention is like, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of examples of double casting. Jemma Chan is
Speaker 2: in Captain Marvel and is in The Eternals, Aaron Taylor
Speaker 2: Thomas is Quicksilver and is now Craven. There's other examples.
Speaker 2: Josh Brolin YadA, YadA, YadA. That said, yes, I knew it,
Speaker 2: I should have said it, and I humbly apologize to
Speaker 2: all of you. Next question, Brandon asks what are our
Speaker 2: favorites heroes take break issues? My fave, though it's two issues,
Speaker 2: is Tom King's Superman Batman double date.
Speaker 1: That is a good one. It's really it was Selena.
Speaker 1: Really that is a good one.
Speaker 2: That's one of those like, I'm not a DC person,
Speaker 2: but I read it in which Selena and Lois become
Speaker 2: my favorite duo. Ever, that's a great question, Brandon Rosie,
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my most recent one.
Speaker 5: And this actually made me think of it as in
Speaker 5: the DC Pride issue, Danny Law did this story about
Speaker 5: the non binary Flashes Chambers getting ready to go on
Speaker 5: a date and it has big that kind of energy. Also,
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of any time that the X
Speaker 5: Men play baseball. And for my Hawkeye easter eggs, I
Speaker 5: was doing my funny like is there a number? Was
Speaker 5: it a easter egg to an issue? And I found
Speaker 5: this issue of Avengers three twenty five and it's it's
Speaker 5: after this big drama and they have a break and
Speaker 5: so Circe holds a party and while there is some
Speaker 5: shenanigans like the waiting stuff end up trying to kill them,
Speaker 5: most of the thing is just that Avengers just having
Speaker 5: this party and Circe using her magical powers to make
Speaker 5: them have a really cool party, and it's so much fun.
Speaker 6: It's like absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Zig I was trying to think of one off the
Speaker 3: tone and now I'm thinking of immediately going to anime
Speaker 3: and manga, and like, my favorite one is Dragon Ball
Speaker 3: super There's an episode where everyone just plays a baseball
Speaker 3: game because the character Yamcha is a professional baseball player
Speaker 3: in the universe of that of that series, and like
Speaker 3: it's just all the players playing a game. There's like
Speaker 3: gods on one side and god on the other side,
Speaker 3: and they just play a game of baseball. That's that's
Speaker 3: the entire stakes of that particular episode.
Speaker 5: Sports anime and anime and manga have such good slice
Speaker 5: of live stuff, Like superhero comics need to really get
Speaker 5: to that level.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: My uh, this is a this is a pair. So
Speaker 2: my favorite two would be Uncanny X Men to forty four.
Speaker 2: This is from the Claremont run when they were when
Speaker 2: the X Men were in Australia. It's called Ladies Knights,
Speaker 2: the Debut of Jubilee. The Uncanny X Men. You know,
Speaker 2: they're out there all dirty and the Australian outback and
Speaker 2: they're like, you know what, we need a break from
Speaker 2: all this bullshit fighting the Reavers out here in the dust.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the mall.
Speaker 4: What do you.
Speaker 2: Let's teleport to La and go to the mall and
Speaker 2: that's where they meet Jubilee, who makes her debut in
Speaker 2: that episode. It's really fun. And then during the Brian
Speaker 2: Michael Bendis Uncanny X Men run, which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Actually during the Inhumanity event in which you know, the
Speaker 2: inhuman terrogen bomb released and this was like positioning the
Speaker 2: in humans to be, you know, like the kind of
Speaker 2: next force of powered individuals in Earth culture. There is
Speaker 2: an issue I think it's Issue it's Issue fifteen, and
Speaker 2: it's basically all the ladies' ex ladies go out and
Speaker 2: they go shopping once again. They go to it's all
Speaker 2: this terrigen shit is happening, and they're like, you know what,
Speaker 2: Emma frost Iliana, Kitty fucking Tempest, Jan Great, the original
Speaker 2: Gene of the time transport did Jean Gray, like the
Speaker 2: original Gen Gray from the sixties transported to the to
Speaker 2: the present day and the step Ford Cuckoos all go
Speaker 2: shopping and it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love this.
Speaker 1: Uh those are just my favorite. I think.
Speaker 2: You know, like our heroes, they're fighting all the time.
Speaker 2: They need a fucking break. They need a break sometime. Okay,
Speaker 2: Scott asks Uh, do you think they'll do stories from
Speaker 2: the blip the MCU. Do you think we'll see stories
Speaker 2: from the Blip? If so, what or who would you
Speaker 2: want to see? I'd love to see Rocket writing emails. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think. I think if if the developments within Hawkeye
Speaker 2: and and within you know, the various MCU movie properties
Speaker 2: that if that are coming out, are any indication we
Speaker 2: are going to explore the Blip as like this global
Speaker 2: traumatic event more and more. There's gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of things that come out of that. I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna be an origin story for villains and heroes. Uh,
Speaker 2: We're gonna see a lot more of what happened there.
Speaker 2: It's it's a great it's so comic sye because it's
Speaker 2: like this huge event that just is vast in scope
Speaker 2: that you know, whatever creative team wants to can just
Speaker 2: go in and be like, Okay, I'm staking out this
Speaker 2: area of the Blip and saying this happened.
Speaker 1: It's going to be super fun. What about y'all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's such like it's such a get
Speaker 3: out of Joe free car, Like here's five years It
Speaker 3: is where anything could happen and no matter what is
Speaker 3: going to be reset at the end of it, So
Speaker 3: do what you want to do. I think, to Jason's point,
Speaker 3: you'll see a lot of I think you'll see a
Speaker 3: lot of origin stories, or you'll see a lot of
Speaker 3: like those seeds planted, like like I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: I'm assuming re Re happens after in yes, she's probably
Speaker 3: directly inspired by Ironman, but like if you seek a
Speaker 3: little bit of what she was going on during like
Speaker 3: the five year period or like, uh, if they do
Speaker 3: like want to do like a young Avenger stuff, like
Speaker 3: maybe they have some throwback stuff to happening like in
Speaker 3: that time as a timeframe as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to quickly hijack episode five of Hawkeye and
Speaker 2: the Black Widow who Yolena attempts to rescue but is
Speaker 2: actually fine and is just doing hits. But now after
Speaker 2: the blip, she comes back and this woman has like
Speaker 2: adopted a kid with their partner. I don't think that
Speaker 2: that kid is Rebey Williams, but I also would not
Speaker 2: be surprised if that kid was.
Speaker 1: Yah, we'll continue what we're gonna say.
Speaker 4: I definitely no, No, I just agree with you both.
Speaker 5: I think it's like it's this hilarious comic book thing
Speaker 5: where it's kind of a nightmare to have to explain it,
Speaker 5: but it also gives people like a lot of freedom.
Speaker 5: And there's definitely I won't say what, but there's like
Speaker 5: there's one plot point in No Way Home, like it's
Speaker 5: a thoroughway line, but I would love to see that
Speaker 5: expanded on.
Speaker 6: If you've seen it, you'll know what it is. I
Speaker 6: think The Blip has a lot.
Speaker 5: Of fun space, and I definitely think with what if
Speaker 5: with the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special coming up,
Speaker 5: I think there's likely that we might get some kind
Speaker 5: of anthology of the Blip where you could mix funny
Speaker 5: stuff with that darker more kind of like Carly style
Speaker 5: Falcon the Winter Sold just storytelling, because there's gonna be
Speaker 5: funny stuff like you know, rocket sending emails, people trying
Speaker 5: to live their lives, is going to be terrible traumatic
Speaker 5: stuff like Calie staw Cap dealing with it and stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it's I think it's a ripe
Speaker 5: for exploration, but there's also like a twenty percent chance
Speaker 5: that in about a year they'll just stop mentioning it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an absolute night Matt.
Speaker 1: I'm like back with more listener mail.
Speaker 2: After this, Andreas asks what do we all think about uh?
Speaker 2: And might we talk about the live action Cowboy BEBAP
Speaker 2: and Netflix's Arcane, which Zig and I have been a
Speaker 2: texting back and forth about.
Speaker 1: Zig, do you want to do? You want to say?
Speaker 3: Arcane is the cleanest shit I've ever seen? Like that
Speaker 3: is very, very so good, Like I will say so.
Speaker 3: Riot Studios is the game studio that these games are
Speaker 3: based off of League Legends, but like they they have
Speaker 3: been making fantastic shorts, animated shorts for almost a decade,
Speaker 3: Like the same studio that I think it's a French name.
Speaker 3: I don't want to but I don't want to say
Speaker 3: it because Butcher it. But like that studio has been
Speaker 3: making fantastic shorts for the better part of a decade,
Speaker 3: really great stuff. And like there are so many moments
Speaker 3: at watching the series where I was just trying to
Speaker 3: figure out, like how they were doing the shot. It
Speaker 3: seemed like they were doing like a combination of like
Speaker 3: live mocap and then going back over and doing digital
Speaker 3: painting over every single frame, And I was like, this
Speaker 3: is fantastic, and that's not even that's not even taken
Speaker 3: to effect. That's the points where they like break animation style.
Speaker 3: Like there's a bunch of there's some really cool set
Speaker 3: pieces where they they just break the animation style and
Speaker 3: go intothing that's completely different. Also, it's completely cool. I
Speaker 3: cannot wait for more of this type of animation to
Speaker 3: get out there, and like, I hope that the series
Speaker 3: does numbers, which it seems like it is doing.
Speaker 5: It's like definitely the most exciting experimental animation since like
Speaker 5: Into the Spite of Us, Like the way they play
Speaker 5: with holding lines, the way they play with animation styles,
Speaker 5: the way that they use animation to tell the story
Speaker 5: and create the world, but in a way that's not narrative.
Speaker 5: It's just to do it a day.
Speaker 4: It's yeah.
Speaker 5: And also Hailey Steinfeld's she's killing it.
Speaker 2: I am almost done with the first season of Arcane.
Speaker 2: It is fucking great. Episode two just launches in a
Speaker 2: completely different direction that I'm not versed in the League
Speaker 2: of Legends lure at all. So this is my intradiction
Speaker 2: to Jinx and the rest of these characters. But I'll
Speaker 2: just say, like it is really great, Like it's really
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of times, like especially kind of
Speaker 2: like two shots or full body shots where a characters
Speaker 2: like walking into a space where I'm like, man.
Speaker 1: Did they mocap this?
Speaker 2: Like this looks the uncanny Valley feeling is amazing. And
Speaker 2: then some of the fights are so unbelievably brutal and good.
Speaker 2: It's really really great, so watchable, action packed, and like
Speaker 2: the characters are really I mean, Jinx is like up
Speaker 2: there is an all time like, hm, can you fix
Speaker 2: her character? Just like Kyle asks, will you be doing
Speaker 2: any video game segments on the show? Elden Ring, which
Speaker 2: is the new game from soft game God of War, Ragnarrock,
Speaker 2: Horizin Zerodonna's Breath of the Wild, a lot of other
Speaker 2: great games coming out this year. I think that would
Speaker 2: be really fun to do. I think the release of
Speaker 2: the live action Halo long awaited long live action Halo show,
Speaker 2: I think is a good opportunity to do that. I
Speaker 2: was Cody and I were recently commiserating about, like how
Speaker 2: good the original Eric Nyland Halo books are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got no business being that good, but they
Speaker 3: were fantastic.
Speaker 1: Stupendously good.
Speaker 2: Like if you like if you like space, military, naval action,
Speaker 2: if you loved enders game, Fall of Reach and the
Speaker 2: rest of them by Eric Nyland are so much better
Speaker 2: than they should be. And I've been playing the heck
Speaker 2: out of the new Halo game, so I think that
Speaker 2: that would be a cool thing to talk about in
Speaker 2: the future. If you all are game Rosie, do you
Speaker 2: are you playing anything right now that you like?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I I love playing games.
Speaker 5: I don't play I have a I have a switch
Speaker 5: in a PlayStation, but I do mostly play like indie games.
Speaker 5: So I've been playing like Spirit Fairer pretty extensively. I
Speaker 5: love Breath of the Wild, so I will turn that's
Speaker 5: love that the sequel is like my most anticipated movie.
Speaker 5: I have a Zelda TI that's like one hundred percent
Speaker 5: my ship.
Speaker 4: Let me see where.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Rosie and I forgot podcast audio.
Speaker 2: We have, Rosy and I are showing off oursell the tattoos.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm still playing Animal Crossing like way too much because.
Speaker 4: Cozy Grove. I mean for me, the.
Speaker 5: Switch actually, like expanding into letting third party developers make
Speaker 5: so many games has been like life changing. I just
Speaker 5: play whenever there's a sale. I just buy a ton
Speaker 5: of random indie games and it has been like a
Speaker 5: total blessing. But I know I will be I will
Speaker 5: be moving back to the Triple A because like obviously
Speaker 5: the Wolverine game is, oh yeah, it comes out, I
Speaker 5: will be there, and the first I love Spider Man,
Speaker 5: I love Mars Morales. I love the Arkham games because
Speaker 5: I love that fighting mecanim So I'm ready for that
Speaker 5: with Wolverine.
Speaker 4: I'm there.
Speaker 2: Continuing on the on the video game tip, Danny Brandy
Speaker 2: asks thoughts on the Witcher season one and a chiance
Speaker 2: we get any hard coverage of season two.
Speaker 3: Much as Jason never played League Legends, I had never
Speaker 3: played in neither Witcher series or read any of the books,
Speaker 3: So like I just watched the series and like I
Speaker 3: really liked it, Like I I it's a it's as fun.
Speaker 3: It's big budget, but also there's like some fun practical stuff,
Speaker 3: Like they just have practical effects, and like that's a
Speaker 3: thing that's still near and dial to my my old souls.
Speaker 3: Like I like seeing it. I like knowing that there's
Speaker 3: like an actual guy with one eye dressed up as
Speaker 3: like a satyr, like next to Henry Cavill. Like that's great.
Speaker 3: It seems like they're really making a push Netflix wise,
Speaker 3: like make that like an expanded universe, because I think
Speaker 3: they have like an anime or an animated series, animated
Speaker 3: feature for in the Witcher universe. So like I'm all
Speaker 3: aboard like anything that makes like big fun sci fi
Speaker 3: or fantasy, Like, I'll give it a chance. I'm into it.
Speaker 5: I didn't like love the show, but the book I
Speaker 5: actually got into because the show came out and the
Speaker 5: game is great, but the books are actually like really good,
Speaker 5: Like if you're looking for that weird sci fi.
Speaker 4: They are like weird and good, and I really like that.
Speaker 5: The focus for the new seasons of the Witcher is
Speaker 5: like really inclusive and like changing that kind of idea
Speaker 5: of who is usually in fantasy. So I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give it a try as they spread, and
Speaker 5: I think the series was meant to be incredible. I
Speaker 5: haven't watched it yet, but it got like a lot of.
Speaker 4: Love from anime fans I liked.
Speaker 1: I liked the series a lot.
Speaker 2: I especially like as a game player, and full disclosure,
Speaker 2: Witcher three is really sure that I've played, but I
Speaker 2: loved Witchard three. I was really impressed by Henry Cavill's
Speaker 2: just like kind of grunts because his grunts were directly
Speaker 2: out of the game, just like that stuff is.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that it sounds just like the game.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, stay tuned. I think that's definitely something that
Speaker 2: we could do. Yeah, and then finally Alex asks, I'm
Speaker 2: looking for recommendations for fantasy sci fi adventure novels. The
Speaker 2: problem I have is a lot of recommendations I find
Speaker 2: online or books that are too hard to follow. They
Speaker 2: haven't have way too many characters with unfamiliar names. I
Speaker 2: can't cap track of them. Any recommendations for easy fun reads.
Speaker 2: Love the show. Thanks Alex, Rosie, you had some You
Speaker 2: had some good ones for this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally relate to this because I absolutely love fantasy,
Speaker 5: and I grew up on really dense, esoteric, hardcore stuff
Speaker 5: and sometimes you just want that easier to get into,
Speaker 5: like captive read. So some that I have been throwing
Speaker 5: out Six of Crows, which is by Libadugo, which is
Speaker 5: basically a spinoff of Shadow and Bone. But Six of
Speaker 5: Crows is like, well ultimate, So Six of Crows is
Speaker 5: an ultimate badass high story that is just one of
Speaker 5: the most incredible books I've never met anyone who hasn't
Speaker 5: read it in about two days because it is just
Speaker 5: the most gripping stuff and if you like it, you
Speaker 5: can go in to Shadow and Bone, but this is
Speaker 5: really its own great story. I read a brilliant book
Speaker 5: recently called The Gilded Ones by Namina Forumna, which is like.
Speaker 4: A fantasy story about.
Speaker 5: A young woman who bleeds gold and in her village
Speaker 5: that means that she's a witch. And it basically is
Speaker 5: this monster dragon mythology with a brilliant black lead and
Speaker 5: it is just really cool and has a lot of
Speaker 5: twists and if you want to chill one, but that
Speaker 5: is one of the best books I've read.
Speaker 4: There's this book called The.
Speaker 6: House in the Cerulean Sea by TJ.
Speaker 5: Kloon, and it's about a world where magic is real
Speaker 5: and a guy who works for a very boring Douglas
Speaker 5: adamsesque kind of dystopian government has to go and look
Speaker 5: at the orphanages where magic children are kept, and they're
Speaker 5: usually horrible, and one time he goes and he's assigned
Speaker 5: to this place with this very charming father figure with
Speaker 5: all these weird children, one of whom is the Antichrist,
Speaker 5: and it's basically this weird found family, X Men and
Speaker 5: quea brilliant story, and I.
Speaker 4: Just it's so good. It's just so good.
Speaker 2: I will add to those, well, listen if you're looking
Speaker 2: for a space adventure that is a super fun fast,
Speaker 2: funny read. Rosie just mentioned Douglas Adams. The Hitchhiker's Guides
Speaker 2: to the Galaxy books are just fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1: They're so funny.
Speaker 2: It's like it actually makes me mad how funny they are,
Speaker 2: Like it enrages me that they're that good. I would
Speaker 2: also add Makaiah Johnson's The Space Between Worlds, which came
Speaker 2: out this year. It is one of the more original
Speaker 2: like alternate universe kind of like sci fi's that I've
Speaker 2: read lately, and it's got a really interesting like social
Speaker 2: justice message in it, diverse characters, author of color, really good.
Speaker 2: I would recommend that. And then The Past is read
Speaker 2: by Catherine Valenti, which is like also like really funny,
Speaker 2: kind of like a magical realism sci fi and like
Speaker 2: this like garbage post apocalyptic future. It's stark, but there's
Speaker 2: like a there's like a lightness and a fun to it.
Speaker 2: And then I guess, like I find sometimes like starting
Speaker 2: like a whole ass novel can be really daunting, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, give me short stories. Ted Chiang's Exhalation compilation
Speaker 2: of short stories is really great. The first one, Like,
Speaker 2: go to a bookstore, find that book and just read
Speaker 2: the first one and if it doesn't grab you, then
Speaker 2: don't read the rest of it.
Speaker 1: But if it grabs you, just buy the book. Folks.
Speaker 2: This was super fun, big thanks to Rosie and Cody.
Speaker 2: Where can people find more of you?
Speaker 3: If you're looking for me? Yeah, for zig on social
Speaker 3: media at Instagram and Twitter, and I'm assuming you're like
Speaker 3: amazing spider Man dot bay. Those are my spidy comics
Speaker 3: and you read those and them that make Happy New
Speaker 3: Year for me?
Speaker 5: At Bay I got it and May and Doc Rock
Speaker 5: that's like my ide really deliver it.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was like, this is why we're on the
Speaker 6: show together. This is.
Speaker 4: I'm Rosie Marx on Instagram.
Speaker 5: And if you like any of this stuff I talked
Speaker 5: about that, I've written a ton of different stuff about it.
Speaker 5: If the creator ownership stuff seemed interesting to you, I
Speaker 5: wrote a really big piece on Esquire about stan Lee
Speaker 5: and his impact on creator ownership.
Speaker 4: The good sides, the bad sides, and.
Speaker 5: That's a really good primer for forgetting more into this stuff.
Speaker 5: And also, I think we touched on it before, but
Speaker 5: Image Comics workers tried to start a union recently, so
Speaker 5: like email, Image support those workers and maybe we can
Speaker 5: get a comic book union.
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