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Speaker 2: This podcast is a mail bag podcast, but it's gonna

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Speaker 2: contain spoilers from a variety of different stories and comics

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Speaker 2: on in Star Wars, the High Republic comics, or the

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Speaker 1: Hello. My name is JASONN.

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Speaker 2: Stepsci, and welcome next to Revision the Crooked Podcast, where

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Speaker 2: we dive deep down into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 2: and pop culture. Joining me today, Oh, the gang is

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Speaker 2: back together for the holiday mail bag. We have both

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Speaker 2: of our hosts, the great Rosie Knight and the fantastically

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Speaker 1: Folks, how are you?

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Speaker 3: We are great, We're thriving. As I told both of you,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see Spider Man away Home after we

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Speaker 3: we this. Yes, yes, I expect the group chat and

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Speaker 3: my Twitter to be exploding with nerdy takes all weekend, folks.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting it here now. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I love it. I am also doing great. I'm so

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Speaker 4: stoked to be here with both of you.

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Speaker 5: I'm so stoked you're about to sea Spider Mans in

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Speaker 5: you you are writing Spider Man.

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Speaker 4: You have already seen.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know. Like when they said that, hey

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Speaker 3: was like, hey, we have screenings this day. As like,

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Speaker 3: I thought about getting a flight back to la just

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Speaker 4: But good plan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really wanted to see it early.

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Speaker 2: I love that responsibility. But you know, I'm glad you're

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Speaker 2: seeing it today. Okay, let's get to the mail. Our

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Speaker 2: first question, Lars asks what are her own thoughts on

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Speaker 2: the High Republic the Star Wars High Republic novels and

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Speaker 2: which everyone is pumped for. Rosie, you had some very

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really love it.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I think it's a really cool project and kind

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Speaker 4: In case you haven't seen it, it's a.

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Speaker 5: of incredible creators. Claudia Gray did my favorite book so

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Speaker 5: But it's got that scope and that new characters, exciting

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Speaker 3: I know he's killing it.

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Speaker 2: He is absolutely killing it. Okay, Emil asks what are

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Speaker 2: Galactic Storm. He also mentions Nightfall, Acts of Vengeance, the

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Speaker 2: Uh, Zig, what are your favorite crossovers?

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Speaker 1: Events, Rosie.

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Speaker 5: I like the weird stuff especially so like I have

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh. I also love those big, sprawling crossovers. I

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Speaker 2: think Marvel Cosmic has had some of the greatest crossovers

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Speaker 2: Incredible villain, really really fun. In that same vein War

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Speaker 1: It's really really fun, really good. And then I guess.

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Speaker 2: More recently, War of the Realms I really enjoyed as

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Speaker 1: So check that out.

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Speaker 5: And that's a good I think that's a really good

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Speaker 2: Asks do you think we'll ever get a solid live

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Speaker 3: Let me. Rosie and I are both about the clapaphone

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Speaker 3: or soapbox, so please bear with this, please.

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Speaker 4: Please, I'm I'm presenting the soapbooks. Do you warm up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? There are tons of really really solid live

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Speaker 3: action adaptations of anime and manga just never gets over here.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, like just right out the back. The most

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Speaker 4: Who doesn't want to see that?

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Speaker 1: Like that movie. Actually yeah, I kind of like that movie.

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Speaker 6: It's probably gonna be someone less. I think it's going

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Speaker 2: I predicted Maria Hills. That's really Yeah, here's a fun well, actually,

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Speaker 2: this is a great opportunity to talk about a thing

439
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Speaker 2: that caused a lot of controversy. What if it's Officer

440
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Speaker 2: Paxton aka Bobby Canavali from the from the from the

441
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Speaker 2: ant Man universe, or someone's like someone's wife and or

442
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Speaker 2: partner and or kid being a scroll. I think could

443
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Speaker 2: be fun and so let me address this now. Many

444
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Speaker 2: people were like, hey, did Jason forget that Bobby canavally

445
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Speaker 2: is offers practicing from ant Man? Uh, no idea forget?

446
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: But what I did forget to do? And this is

447
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: what happens. This is like a mal and I used

448
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: to talk about this on bingemin all the time, where

449
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: we are so used to talking to each other about

450
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: this stuff, that would you forget that this is for

451
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: people and that you have to provide context all the

452
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Speaker 2: time for things. And we'll just like have like inside

453
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: jokes and non sequitters that make it onto the tape

454
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: and you listen back and you're like, this is like

455
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Speaker 2: a statement that is referencing nothing like only we would

456
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Speaker 2: get this. So, yes, I knew that he is Officer Paxson.

457
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Speaker 2: The thing that I forgot to mention is like, there's

458
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Speaker 2: a lot of examples of double casting. Jemma Chan is

459
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: in Captain Marvel and is in The Eternals, Aaron Taylor

460
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Speaker 2: Thomas is Quicksilver and is now Craven. There's other examples.

461
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 2: Josh Brolin YadA, YadA, YadA. That said, yes, I knew it,

462
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Speaker 2: I should have said it, and I humbly apologize to

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Speaker 2: all of you. Next question, Brandon asks what are our

464
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Speaker 2: favorites heroes take break issues? My fave, though it's two issues,

465
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Speaker 2: is Tom King's Superman Batman double date.

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Speaker 1: That is a good one. It's really it was Selena.

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Speaker 1: Really that is a good one.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those like, I'm not a DC person,

469
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Speaker 2: but I read it in which Selena and Lois become

470
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Speaker 2: my favorite duo. Ever, that's a great question, Brandon Rosie,

471
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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite?

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so my most recent one.

473
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Speaker 5: And this actually made me think of it as in

474
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Speaker 5: the DC Pride issue, Danny Law did this story about

475
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Speaker 5: the non binary Flashes Chambers getting ready to go on

476
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Speaker 5: a date and it has big that kind of energy. Also,

477
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Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of any time that the X

478
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Speaker 5: Men play baseball. And for my Hawkeye easter eggs, I

479
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 5: was doing my funny like is there a number? Was

480
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Speaker 5: it a easter egg to an issue? And I found

481
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Speaker 5: this issue of Avengers three twenty five and it's it's

482
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Speaker 5: after this big drama and they have a break and

483
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 5: so Circe holds a party and while there is some

484
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 5: shenanigans like the waiting stuff end up trying to kill them,

485
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Speaker 5: most of the thing is just that Avengers just having

486
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Speaker 5: this party and Circe using her magical powers to make

487
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Speaker 5: them have a really cool party, and it's so much fun.

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Speaker 6: It's like absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Zig I was trying to think of one off the

490
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Speaker 3: tone and now I'm thinking of immediately going to anime

491
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Speaker 3: and manga, and like, my favorite one is Dragon Ball

492
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: super There's an episode where everyone just plays a baseball

493
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Speaker 3: game because the character Yamcha is a professional baseball player

494
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Speaker 3: in the universe of that of that series, and like

495
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Speaker 3: it's just all the players playing a game. There's like

496
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Speaker 3: gods on one side and god on the other side,

497
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Speaker 3: and they just play a game of baseball. That's that's

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Speaker 3: the entire stakes of that particular episode.

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Speaker 5: Sports anime and anime and manga have such good slice

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Speaker 5: of live stuff, Like superhero comics need to really get

501
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 5: to that level.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: My uh, this is a this is a pair. So

504
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: my favorite two would be Uncanny X Men to forty four.

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Speaker 2: This is from the Claremont run when they were when

506
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 2: the X Men were in Australia. It's called Ladies Knights,

507
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: the Debut of Jubilee. The Uncanny X Men. You know,

508
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: they're out there all dirty and the Australian outback and

509
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: they're like, you know what, we need a break from

510
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: all this bullshit fighting the Reavers out here in the dust.

511
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Speaker 1: Let's go to the mall.

512
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Speaker 4: What do you.

513
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: Let's teleport to La and go to the mall and

514
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: that's where they meet Jubilee, who makes her debut in

515
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Speaker 2: that episode. It's really fun. And then during the Brian

516
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: Michael Bendis Uncanny X Men run, which I quite enjoyed.

517
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Speaker 2: Actually during the Inhumanity event in which you know, the

518
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: inhuman terrogen bomb released and this was like positioning the

519
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Speaker 2: in humans to be, you know, like the kind of

520
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Speaker 2: next force of powered individuals in Earth culture. There is

521
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Speaker 2: an issue I think it's Issue it's Issue fifteen, and

522
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: it's basically all the ladies' ex ladies go out and

523
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: they go shopping once again. They go to it's all

524
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: this terrigen shit is happening, and they're like, you know what,

525
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: Emma frost Iliana, Kitty fucking Tempest, Jan Great, the original

526
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: Gene of the time transport did Jean Gray, like the

527
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 2: original Gen Gray from the sixties transported to the to

528
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: the present day and the step Ford Cuckoos all go

529
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Speaker 2: shopping and it's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love this.

532
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Speaker 1: Uh those are just my favorite. I think.

533
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Speaker 2: You know, like our heroes, they're fighting all the time.

534
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: They need a fucking break. They need a break sometime. Okay,

535
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Speaker 2: Scott asks Uh, do you think they'll do stories from

536
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: the blip the MCU. Do you think we'll see stories

537
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: from the Blip? If so, what or who would you

538
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: want to see? I'd love to see Rocket writing emails. Yeah,

539
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: I think. I think if if the developments within Hawkeye

540
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: and and within you know, the various MCU movie properties

541
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Speaker 2: that if that are coming out, are any indication we

542
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: are going to explore the Blip as like this global

543
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: traumatic event more and more. There's gonna be a lot

544
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Speaker 2: of things that come out of that. I think it's

545
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: gonna be an origin story for villains and heroes. Uh,

546
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Speaker 2: We're gonna see a lot more of what happened there.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a great it's so comic sye because it's

548
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: like this huge event that just is vast in scope

549
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 2: that you know, whatever creative team wants to can just

550
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: go in and be like, Okay, I'm staking out this

551
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: area of the Blip and saying this happened.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be super fun. What about y'all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's such like it's such a get

554
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: out of Joe free car, Like here's five years It

555
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 3: is where anything could happen and no matter what is

556
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: going to be reset at the end of it, So

557
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: do what you want to do. I think, to Jason's point,

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00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: you'll see a lot of I think you'll see a

559
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: lot of origin stories, or you'll see a lot of

560
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: like those seeds planted, like like I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming re Re happens after in yes, she's probably

562
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: directly inspired by Ironman, but like if you seek a

563
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Speaker 3: little bit of what she was going on during like

564
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Speaker 3: the five year period or like, uh, if they do

565
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Speaker 3: like want to do like a young Avenger stuff, like

566
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Speaker 3: maybe they have some throwback stuff to happening like in

567
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: that time as a timeframe as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to quickly hijack episode five of Hawkeye and

569
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Speaker 2: the Black Widow who Yolena attempts to rescue but is

570
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: actually fine and is just doing hits. But now after

571
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: the blip, she comes back and this woman has like

572
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: adopted a kid with their partner. I don't think that

573
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Speaker 2: that kid is Rebey Williams, but I also would not

574
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Speaker 2: be surprised if that kid was.

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Speaker 1: Yah, we'll continue what we're gonna say.

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Speaker 4: I definitely no, No, I just agree with you both.

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00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: I think it's like it's this hilarious comic book thing

578
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: where it's kind of a nightmare to have to explain it,

579
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: but it also gives people like a lot of freedom.

580
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: And there's definitely I won't say what, but there's like

581
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 5: there's one plot point in No Way Home, like it's

582
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Speaker 5: a thoroughway line, but I would love to see that

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Speaker 5: expanded on.

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Speaker 6: If you've seen it, you'll know what it is. I

585
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 6: think The Blip has a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of fun space, and I definitely think with what if

587
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 5: with the Guardians of the Galaxy Christmas special coming up,

588
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 5: I think there's likely that we might get some kind

589
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 5: of anthology of the Blip where you could mix funny

590
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: stuff with that darker more kind of like Carly style

591
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: Falcon the Winter Sold just storytelling, because there's gonna be

592
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: funny stuff like you know, rocket sending emails, people trying

593
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 5: to live their lives, is going to be terrible traumatic

594
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: stuff like Calie staw Cap dealing with it and stuff.

595
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it's I think it's a ripe

596
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 5: for exploration, but there's also like a twenty percent chance

597
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 5: that in about a year they'll just stop mentioning it.

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00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an absolute night Matt.

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm like back with more listener mail.

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Speaker 2: After this, Andreas asks what do we all think about uh?

601
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: And might we talk about the live action Cowboy BEBAP

602
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: and Netflix's Arcane, which Zig and I have been a

603
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: texting back and forth about.

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Speaker 1: Zig, do you want to do? You want to say?

605
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: Arcane is the cleanest shit I've ever seen? Like that

606
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: is very, very so good, Like I will say so.

607
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: Riot Studios is the game studio that these games are

608
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: based off of League Legends, but like they they have

609
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: been making fantastic shorts, animated shorts for almost a decade,

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 3: Like the same studio that I think it's a French name.

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00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to but I don't want to say

612
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: it because Butcher it. But like that studio has been

613
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: making fantastic shorts for the better part of a decade,

614
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: really great stuff. And like there are so many moments

615
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: at watching the series where I was just trying to

616
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Speaker 3: figure out, like how they were doing the shot. It

617
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 3: seemed like they were doing like a combination of like

618
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: live mocap and then going back over and doing digital

619
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Speaker 3: painting over every single frame, And I was like, this

620
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: is fantastic, and that's not even that's not even taken

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Speaker 3: to effect. That's the points where they like break animation style.

622
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: Like there's a bunch of there's some really cool set

623
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Speaker 3: pieces where they they just break the animation style and

624
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: go intothing that's completely different. Also, it's completely cool. I

625
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: cannot wait for more of this type of animation to

626
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: get out there, and like, I hope that the series

627
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Speaker 3: does numbers, which it seems like it is doing.

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Speaker 5: It's like definitely the most exciting experimental animation since like

629
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Speaker 5: Into the Spite of Us, Like the way they play

630
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: with holding lines, the way they play with animation styles,

631
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Speaker 5: the way that they use animation to tell the story

632
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: and create the world, but in a way that's not narrative.

633
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Speaker 5: It's just to do it a day.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah.

635
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Speaker 5: And also Hailey Steinfeld's she's killing it.

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Speaker 2: I am almost done with the first season of Arcane.

637
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: It is fucking great. Episode two just launches in a

638
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: completely different direction that I'm not versed in the League

639
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: of Legends lure at all. So this is my intradiction

640
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: to Jinx and the rest of these characters. But I'll

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: just say, like it is really great, Like it's really

642
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: really good.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: There are a couple of times, like especially kind of

645
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: like two shots or full body shots where a characters

646
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: like walking into a space where I'm like, man.

647
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: Did they mocap this?

648
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: Like this looks the uncanny Valley feeling is amazing. And

649
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: then some of the fights are so unbelievably brutal and good.

650
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: It's really really great, so watchable, action packed, and like

651
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: the characters are really I mean, Jinx is like up

652
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: there is an all time like, hm, can you fix

653
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: her character? Just like Kyle asks, will you be doing

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Speaker 2: any video game segments on the show? Elden Ring, which

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Speaker 2: is the new game from soft game God of War, Ragnarrock,

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Speaker 2: Horizin Zerodonna's Breath of the Wild, a lot of other

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Speaker 2: great games coming out this year. I think that would

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Speaker 2: be really fun to do. I think the release of

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Speaker 2: the live action Halo long awaited long live action Halo show,

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Speaker 2: I think is a good opportunity to do that. I

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Speaker 2: was Cody and I were recently commiserating about, like how

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Speaker 2: good the original Eric Nyland Halo books are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got no business being that good, but they

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Speaker 3: were fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Stupendously good.

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Speaker 2: Like if you like if you like space, military, naval action,

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Speaker 2: if you loved enders game, Fall of Reach and the

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Speaker 2: rest of them by Eric Nyland are so much better

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Speaker 2: than they should be. And I've been playing the heck

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Speaker 2: out of the new Halo game, so I think that

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Speaker 2: that would be a cool thing to talk about in

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Speaker 2: the future. If you all are game Rosie, do you

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Speaker 2: are you playing anything right now that you like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I I love playing games.

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Speaker 5: I don't play I have a I have a switch

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Speaker 5: in a PlayStation, but I do mostly play like indie games.

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Speaker 5: So I've been playing like Spirit Fairer pretty extensively. I

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Speaker 5: love Breath of the Wild, so I will turn that's

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Speaker 5: love that the sequel is like my most anticipated movie.

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Speaker 5: I have a Zelda TI that's like one hundred percent

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Speaker 5: my ship.

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Speaker 4: Let me see where.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Rosie and I forgot podcast audio.

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Speaker 2: We have, Rosy and I are showing off oursell the tattoos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm still playing Animal Crossing like way too much because.

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Speaker 4: Cozy Grove. I mean for me, the.

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Speaker 5: Switch actually, like expanding into letting third party developers make

691
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Speaker 5: so many games has been like life changing. I just

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Speaker 5: play whenever there's a sale. I just buy a ton

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Speaker 5: of random indie games and it has been like a

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Speaker 5: total blessing. But I know I will be I will

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Speaker 5: be moving back to the Triple A because like obviously

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Speaker 5: the Wolverine game is, oh yeah, it comes out, I

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Speaker 5: will be there, and the first I love Spider Man,

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Speaker 5: I love Mars Morales. I love the Arkham games because

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Speaker 5: I love that fighting mecanim So I'm ready for that

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Speaker 5: with Wolverine.

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Speaker 4: I'm there.

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Speaker 2: Continuing on the on the video game tip, Danny Brandy

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Speaker 2: asks thoughts on the Witcher season one and a chiance

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Speaker 2: we get any hard coverage of season two.

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Speaker 3: Much as Jason never played League Legends, I had never

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Speaker 3: played in neither Witcher series or read any of the books,

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Speaker 3: So like I just watched the series and like I

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Speaker 3: really liked it, Like I I it's a it's as fun.

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Speaker 3: It's big budget, but also there's like some fun practical stuff,

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Speaker 3: Like they just have practical effects, and like that's a

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Speaker 3: thing that's still near and dial to my my old souls.

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Speaker 3: Like I like seeing it. I like knowing that there's

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Speaker 3: like an actual guy with one eye dressed up as

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Speaker 3: like a satyr, like next to Henry Cavill. Like that's great.

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Speaker 3: It seems like they're really making a push Netflix wise,

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Speaker 3: like make that like an expanded universe, because I think

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Speaker 3: they have like an anime or an animated series, animated

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Speaker 3: feature for in the Witcher universe. So like I'm all

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Speaker 3: aboard like anything that makes like big fun sci fi

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Speaker 3: or fantasy, Like, I'll give it a chance. I'm into it.

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Speaker 5: I didn't like love the show, but the book I

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Speaker 5: actually got into because the show came out and the

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Speaker 5: game is great, but the books are actually like really good,

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Speaker 5: Like if you're looking for that weird sci fi.

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Speaker 4: They are like weird and good, and I really like that.

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Speaker 5: The focus for the new seasons of the Witcher is

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Speaker 5: like really inclusive and like changing that kind of idea

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Speaker 5: of who is usually in fantasy. So I'm definitely gonna

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give it a try as they spread, and

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Speaker 5: I think the series was meant to be incredible. I

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Speaker 5: haven't watched it yet, but it got like a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Love from anime fans I liked.

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Speaker 1: I liked the series a lot.

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Speaker 2: I especially like as a game player, and full disclosure,

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Speaker 2: Witcher three is really sure that I've played, but I

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Speaker 2: loved Witchard three. I was really impressed by Henry Cavill's

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Speaker 2: just like kind of grunts because his grunts were directly

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Speaker 2: out of the game, just like that stuff is.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that it sounds just like the game.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, stay tuned. I think that's definitely something that

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Speaker 2: we could do. Yeah, and then finally Alex asks, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for recommendations for fantasy sci fi adventure novels. The

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Speaker 2: problem I have is a lot of recommendations I find

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Speaker 2: online or books that are too hard to follow. They

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Speaker 2: haven't have way too many characters with unfamiliar names. I

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Speaker 2: can't cap track of them. Any recommendations for easy fun reads.

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Speaker 2: Love the show. Thanks Alex, Rosie, you had some You

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Speaker 2: had some good ones for this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally relate to this because I absolutely love fantasy,

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Speaker 5: and I grew up on really dense, esoteric, hardcore stuff

751
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Speaker 5: and sometimes you just want that easier to get into,

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Speaker 5: like captive read. So some that I have been throwing

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Speaker 5: out Six of Crows, which is by Libadugo, which is

754
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: basically a spinoff of Shadow and Bone. But Six of

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Speaker 5: Crows is like, well ultimate, So Six of Crows is

756
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 5: an ultimate badass high story that is just one of

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Speaker 5: the most incredible books I've never met anyone who hasn't

758
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 5: read it in about two days because it is just

759
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 5: the most gripping stuff and if you like it, you

760
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 5: can go in to Shadow and Bone, but this is

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00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 5: really its own great story. I read a brilliant book

762
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Speaker 5: recently called The Gilded Ones by Namina Forumna, which is like.

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Speaker 4: A fantasy story about.

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Speaker 5: A young woman who bleeds gold and in her village

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Speaker 5: that means that she's a witch. And it basically is

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Speaker 5: this monster dragon mythology with a brilliant black lead and

767
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 5: it is just really cool and has a lot of

768
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: twists and if you want to chill one, but that

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Speaker 5: is one of the best books I've read.

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Speaker 4: There's this book called The.

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Speaker 6: House in the Cerulean Sea by TJ.

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Speaker 5: Kloon, and it's about a world where magic is real

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Speaker 5: and a guy who works for a very boring Douglas

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Speaker 5: adamsesque kind of dystopian government has to go and look

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Speaker 5: at the orphanages where magic children are kept, and they're

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00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 5: usually horrible, and one time he goes and he's assigned

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Speaker 5: to this place with this very charming father figure with

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Speaker 5: all these weird children, one of whom is the Antichrist,

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Speaker 5: and it's basically this weird found family, X Men and

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Speaker 5: quea brilliant story, and I.

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Speaker 4: Just it's so good. It's just so good.

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Speaker 2: I will add to those, well, listen if you're looking

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Speaker 2: for a space adventure that is a super fun fast,

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Speaker 2: funny read. Rosie just mentioned Douglas Adams. The Hitchhiker's Guides

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Speaker 2: to the Galaxy books are just fucking hilarious.

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Speaker 1: They're so funny.

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Speaker 2: It's like it actually makes me mad how funny they are,

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Speaker 2: Like it enrages me that they're that good. I would

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Speaker 2: also add Makaiah Johnson's The Space Between Worlds, which came

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Speaker 2: out this year. It is one of the more original

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Speaker 2: like alternate universe kind of like sci fi's that I've

792
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: read lately, and it's got a really interesting like social

793
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: justice message in it, diverse characters, author of color, really good.

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Speaker 2: I would recommend that. And then The Past is read

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Speaker 2: by Catherine Valenti, which is like also like really funny,

796
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: kind of like a magical realism sci fi and like

797
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: this like garbage post apocalyptic future. It's stark, but there's

798
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Speaker 2: like a there's like a lightness and a fun to it.

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Speaker 2: And then I guess, like I find sometimes like starting

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Speaker 2: like a whole ass novel can be really daunting, So

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00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, give me short stories. Ted Chiang's Exhalation compilation

802
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: of short stories is really great. The first one, Like,

803
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: go to a bookstore, find that book and just read

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00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: the first one and if it doesn't grab you, then

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Speaker 2: don't read the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: But if it grabs you, just buy the book. Folks.

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Speaker 2: This was super fun, big thanks to Rosie and Cody.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find more of you?

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for me? Yeah, for zig on social

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Speaker 3: media at Instagram and Twitter, and I'm assuming you're like

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Speaker 3: amazing spider Man dot bay. Those are my spidy comics

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Speaker 3: and you read those and them that make Happy New

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Speaker 3: Year for me?

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Speaker 5: At Bay I got it and May and Doc Rock

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Speaker 5: that's like my ide really deliver it.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was like, this is why we're on the

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Speaker 6: show together. This is.

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Speaker 4: I'm Rosie Marx on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: And if you like any of this stuff I talked

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Speaker 5: about that, I've written a ton of different stuff about it.

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Speaker 5: If the creator ownership stuff seemed interesting to you, I

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Speaker 5: wrote a really big piece on Esquire about stan Lee

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Speaker 5: and his impact on creator ownership.

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Speaker 4: The good sides, the bad sides, and.

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Speaker 5: That's a really good primer for forgetting more into this stuff.

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Speaker 5: And also, I think we touched on it before, but

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Speaker 5: Image Comics workers tried to start a union recently, so

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Speaker 5: like email, Image support those workers and maybe we can

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Speaker 5: get a comic book union.

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Speaker 2: Well, folks, If you want to learn more about what

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