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Speaker 5: Before we get into the show today, I wanted to

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Speaker 5: do a quick update from last night. The crackdown on

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Speaker 5: There was also a crackdown at FT Fashion Institute of

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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about the ongoing Israeli invasion of

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Speaker 5: RAFA and the US response to it.

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Speaker 6: Stormy Daniels testified for the prosecution in the hush money

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Speaker 6: Trump was reprimanded, and we'll tell you why we do.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, as Crystal would say, TikTok is suing under the

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Speaker 5: First Amendment to overturn the attempted ban or we're going

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Speaker 5: to get into why. I think we both think they

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Speaker 5: have a pretty strong case. There was an assassination attempt

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Speaker 5: against Zelensky. We'll get into that and its implications, as

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Speaker 5: well as a new report on gen Z debt.

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Speaker 6: You know, and I think there's a media story on

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Speaker 6: gen Z debt as well, because just a couple of

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Speaker 6: So we'll dive into all of that. But Ryan, let's

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Speaker 6: start in RAFA where we have images we can start roll.

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Speaker 5: This is this first yeah, first tear sheet here from

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Speaker 3: This is a this is a targeted assault.

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Speaker 5: The surgical operation aimed at disrupting Hamas infrastructure and also

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Speaker 3: We can roll some of the footage from this.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, they went after the Rafa border crossing, and the

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Speaker 5: argument was that Hamas as the de facto government, has

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Speaker 3: Isn't there a point at which a lot of small.

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Speaker 5: Operations add up to a major military operation, and they

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Speaker 5: United States has to do with the insistence over months

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Speaker 5: At the States Department yesterday, I asked, you know, what

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Speaker 5: Like how do you end up accidentally arming an operation

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Speaker 4: But how does that surely not the first time we've

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Speaker 5: Well, interestingly, so we can move to this next element.

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Speaker 5: The Politico and others reported that the State Department is

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Speaker 5: is aimed at determining whether or not Israel has committed

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Speaker 3: This report is supposed to be due today.

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Speaker 5: If they conclude they did, the US would have to

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Speaker 5: stop sending Israel weapons. So they they said, we're actually

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Speaker 3: They say they hope they're going to get it done soon,

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Speaker 5: And at the briefing yesterday they said it was the

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Speaker 5: a second. Did you just say you've never put together

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Speaker 5: an investigation into whether the countries that you're arming have

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Speaker 3: Reports efort have committed.

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Speaker 5: War crimes, like you've never done that before. Said, well,

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Speaker 4: Like this, And this is all related to the lay

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Speaker 3: Right, This is right.

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Speaker 5: There are laws on the books that say the State

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Speaker 5: Paul's State Department employee. His job was to kind of

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Speaker 5: investigate and certify whether or not the arms that were

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Speaker 3: That's why he famously kind of quit in protests.

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Speaker 5: So we're not sure when we're going to get this

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Speaker 5: report on Israeli war crimes.

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Speaker 3: All of this coming to a head.

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Speaker 5: At the exact same time, I was at an event

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Speaker 5: the administration for this delay of this report and said

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Speaker 5: that he'll be introducing legislation to block offensive weapons shipments

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Speaker 3: We can roll this clip from Rocana.

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Speaker 7: And our entire Youngerman has said going into Rafa would

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Speaker 7: be a catastrophe. So I will be introducing an amendment

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Speaker 7: again in the House Armed Services Committee on made twenty

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Speaker 7: I'm very very disappointed that the administration is not coming

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Speaker 7: out with its report that was due to the United

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Speaker 7: States Congress on whether there were human rights violations in

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Speaker 7: international law violations that have been committed in Gaza. That

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Speaker 7: and it has been even definitely delayed. No explanation of plot.

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Speaker 7: So I know where America talked about climate but of

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Speaker 5: That was at an event for the Youth Climate Group

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Speaker 5: at this point, Emily, where do you come down on this?

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Speaker 5: Are we looking at a major military operation invasion into Rafa,

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Speaker 5: which in which has included shelling.

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Speaker 3: There's there's footage of tanks shelling tents there.

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Speaker 5: There have been air strikes that have killed a number

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Speaker 5: in the destruction of about three to four eight major

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Speaker 5: just delays AID getting in further. Israel so far just

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Speaker 6: So this is where I would say that major is relative,

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Speaker 6: you know, because I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: There's feels major.

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Speaker 6: I don't know there's any military encourasion into Raffa that

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Speaker 6: I think Israel implicitly makes when they say this is

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Speaker 6: necessary to quote unquote eradicate Hamas. And meanwhile, by the way,

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Speaker 6: how they are quote eradicating Hamas while also negotiating a

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Speaker 6: say they killed what twenty militants over the last forty

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Speaker 6: eight hours something like that, it might be more Hamas

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Speaker 6: obviously was that Sunday that they got four Israelly.

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Speaker 3: The the cormcial crossing right.

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Speaker 4: Right, they killed four soldiers.

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Speaker 6: But there's just no way, I think, specifically with RAFA,

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Speaker 6: one question I had for you, Ryan, you had mentioned

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Speaker 6: has always said that this would be a sticking point.

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Speaker 6: Now whether they're able to actually execute on being a

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Speaker 4: What sense do you get?

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Speaker 6: think in this case they seem to be genuine frustrations.

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Speaker 6: Also, in all of this, the broader geo political ambitions,

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Speaker 9: Twenty twenty three, on a sacred Jewish holiday, the terrorist

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Speaker 9: On college campuses, Jewish students blocked, harassed, attacked while walking

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Speaker 6: All right, So, meanwhile, Code Pink caught up with a

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Speaker 8: Now that Hamas has agreed to a ceasfire.

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Speaker 12: Is there enough?

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Speaker 8: Congressman, the world is calling for a ceasefire. He used

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Speaker 11: Oh, if there's an American or somebody else be in help,

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Speaker 4: There's an American being helped, we should go kill the

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Speaker 3: It is because my people are Palestinian. You're killing my

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Speaker 4: And you saying that everything.

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Speaker 11: Should associated themselves are terrorists. They shouldn't vote terrorists into office.

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Speaker 4: Israel is the terrorist, israel Is, the.

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Speaker 13: Terrorists lions almost please say to you every single times,

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Speaker 3: Say that's very clearly. I literally don't believe a word.

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Speaker 8: That you say.

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Speaker 5: I think what you see there is the narrow spectrum

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Speaker 5: of political opinion within the power center here in the

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Speaker 5: United States, from from Biden to Johnson to mast not

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of different differences between them, but not

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of uh daylight, and we can we

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Speaker 5: can go over each of them. But did Mike Johnson

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Speaker 5: basically compare campus protesters to Nazis? Like that's that was?

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Speaker 5: Like you you walk around these campuses and you can

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Speaker 5: hear the screams from the gas chambers.

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Speaker 6: If it wasn't if it wasn't direct, it was certainly

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Speaker 6: getting close to it. And I actually agree with you

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Speaker 6: about the narrow spectrum of opinion, because, first of all,

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Speaker 6: Mike Johnson repeated the I stabbing claim the flag.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear mention that? Well?

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Speaker 6: What I find interesting about that is you have Republican

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Speaker 6: speech writers the highest, the upper echelon of their career,

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Speaker 6: and they're clearly not even listening because you wouldn't want

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Speaker 6: to embarrass your boss by putting that in a speech

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Speaker 6: or something that's been putting that in this speech. Surely

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Speaker 6: you could find another example. In fact, we've talked here,

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Speaker 6: We even talked with a student about some of the

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Speaker 6: legitimate examples that are problematic. You can find something, but

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Speaker 6: I think it just speaks to how uninterested in dissent

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Speaker 6: on this they are, how uninterested they are and looking

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Speaker 6: at it through any lens of good faith, rather than

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Speaker 6: just dismissing everyone as Nazis, as anti semites, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: And we can talk about this in the Tech Talk book.

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Speaker 6: I know that we're going to, but this is one

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Speaker 6: of the I think biggest problems on the right. But

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Speaker 6: it's not just on the right, it's sort of the

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Speaker 6: center left to this pro Israel center left that is

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Speaker 6: now dismissing a lot of you know, very deeply held

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Speaker 6: sentiments among gen Z as bigotry when it's it's something

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Speaker 6: different for many of them. That's not to say there

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Speaker 6: isn't any legitimate bigotry, of course there is, but to

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Speaker 6: dismiss all of it, to paint it with a broad

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Speaker 6: brush as bigoted, that's actually reflective. I think of a

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Speaker 6: deep problem for the right and the pro Israel center.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Biden who continues to attack campus protesters as

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Speaker 5: just filled with anti Semitism, like refuses to acknowledge that

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Speaker 5: they may have genuine concerns with what they're seeing.

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Speaker 3: On Fold and Rafa.

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Speaker 5: You know, he talked about babies killed on October seventh.

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Speaker 5: October seventh was a day of deep trauma. Nearly seven

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Speaker 5: hundred civilians you know, were killed, just horrifying, you know,

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Speaker 5: day from start to finish. There were three babies between

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Speaker 5: the ages of zero and three who were killed on

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Speaker 5: October seventh, three too many than should have been killed.

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Speaker 5: Last night in Rafa. I can read this from doctor

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Speaker 5: Mustafa L. Marcy el Masri. He says, I am utterly

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Speaker 5: heartbroken to announce the tragic loss of my dear colleague,

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Speaker 5: a devoted psychologist and psychotherapist, along with her four children

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Speaker 5: in an Israeli airstrike on their home at dawn yesterday,

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Speaker 5: more children than he described there. So the President of

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Speaker 5: the United States is not going to talk about the

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Speaker 5: four children who were killed last night in Rafa. He's

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Speaker 5: not going to talk about it the day after it happened.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to talk about it six or seven

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Speaker 5: months later. The gap between his willingness to express his horror,

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Speaker 5: legitimate horror over what happened on October seventh, and his

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Speaker 5: refusal to acknowledge any of the horror that is being

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Speaker 5: visited upon Palestinians on a daily basis. It strikes people

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Speaker 5: as just deeply immoral. And then to have him also

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Speaker 5: lecture the protesters and tell them that they are in

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Speaker 5: fact simply driven by anti Semitism.

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Speaker 3: It's just beyond the pale. You know.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting that I keep going back to us that.

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Speaker 6: Brian mast also tweeted the video that code painting.

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Speaker 3: Oh he loved it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so Brian Mass.

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Speaker 6: By the way, if you weren't level everything they touch,

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Speaker 6: if you weren't watching it, you're not familiar with Brian Mast.

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Speaker 6: He lost both of his legs in AFGHANISTANUS I think

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Speaker 6: he was in kandahart clearing IDs in twenty ten, and

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Speaker 6: he then tweeting the.

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Speaker 4: Video to me. Ryan.

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Speaker 6: It reminds me a lot of the sentiments around the

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Speaker 6: hard hat riot. Remember in nineteen seventy you have all

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Speaker 6: those construction workers in New York City, like the blue collar,

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Speaker 6: proud Nixon construction workers, just absolutely unloading on people associated

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Speaker 6: I think it was with student strikes back in nineteen

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Speaker 6: seventy and that dynamic. You can just see it becoming

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Speaker 6: just blossoming right now in American politics. It's not in

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Speaker 6: nineteen sixty eight rhyme, but it's close enough to nineteen

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Speaker 6: sixty eight, especially with the Chicago convention approaching and lots

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Speaker 6: and lots of protests planned that you just have this

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden, for instance, going after the campus protesters. You

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Speaker 6: have this kind of cultural dynamic where he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to be seen as being on the side of disruptors,

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Speaker 6: being on the side of sort of the far left

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Speaker 6: in an election year, and the politics of this are

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Speaker 6: pretty fascinating in and of itself when you think about

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Speaker 6: what's going on. You know, the image of the custodian

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Speaker 6: at Columbia getting pinned against the wall by a protester,

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Speaker 6: and the Free Press has had more articles with a

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Speaker 6: couple of different custodians that have come out in the

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Speaker 6: last week. It is an interesting dynamic that's being set up,

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Speaker 6: and I think the politics of that are Brian, what

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Speaker 6: Biden is responding to, what Brian mass is responding to,

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Speaker 6: what Mike Johnson is responding to. There's something there. But again,

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Speaker 6: I think it's a much bigger problem to dismiss everyone

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Speaker 6: as big when some of these really deeply held opinions

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Speaker 6: are coming from a place that if you dismiss it,

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Speaker 6: you're never going to persuade people away from Aria.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because it just comes back around the Biden administration

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Speaker 5: and withholding three thousand, five hundred bombs from Israel will

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Speaker 5: get attacked as being anti Semitic for being insufficiently supportive

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Speaker 5: of Israel, and those are the terms of the debate

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Speaker 5: that Biden himself is established, and he would the more

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Speaker 5: that he becomes critical of Israel's operation in Rafa and

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Speaker 5: in general, which he's going to have to do because

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Speaker 5: he has set himself up, because he has publicly said

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Speaker 5: so many times that he is opposed to an invasion

554
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Speaker 5: of Raffa, which at Yahoo seems intent on carrying out. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: he's going to speak out against it, and then his

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Speaker 5: own words we used against him, and he will be

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Speaker 5: told that he's anti Semitic, and because he's insufficiently supportive

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Speaker 5: of Israel's right to quote unquote defend himself.

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Speaker 6: So and by the way, she mentioned the hardhet right

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Speaker 6: was in the wake of Kent State, so very on

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Speaker 6: the nose. Actually, looking back on that, you might think,

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Speaker 6: why would anyone want to be affiliated with people, you know,

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Speaker 6: getting letting themselves loose on students who were protesting after

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Speaker 6: Kent State. I think this is a very similar dynamic

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Speaker 6: playing out exactly right now. You say, these students are

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Speaker 6: just they genuinely are opposing a mascre for students, for

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Speaker 6: if there are other fellow students. These students are, you know,

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Speaker 6: in some cases very genuinely protesting what they see is

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Speaker 6: a genocide, in many cases very genuinely protesting that why

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Speaker 6: would you want to be affiliated with the crackdown? And

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think there are pretty obvious political reasons

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Speaker 6: that we're going to see either Joe Biden continue to

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Speaker 6: distance himself from that, but also Republicans embrace the crackdown

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Speaker 6: run on the crackdown.

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Speaker 5: I think that the difference will be that there's always,

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Speaker 5: there is always a bellicost nationalist element of the working class,

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Speaker 5: and that's and that's what Nixon, you know, was channeling

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Speaker 5: at the time, and that's what was behind that kind

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Speaker 5: of hard hat riot. Currently there's a Democrat in the

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Speaker 5: White House, and it's hard to identify the nationalist impulse

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Speaker 5: right here. It's not like the kids aren't even protesting

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Speaker 5: an American war. Like the kids are protesting an American

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Speaker 5: fueled and funded and armed war. And so I think

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Speaker 5: that the nationalist impulses that do exist in some elements

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Speaker 5: with the working class will be blunted by the fact

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Speaker 5: that why are they going to stand up for a

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Speaker 5: foreign country? Like standing up for the stars and stripes, Okay,

588
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Speaker 5: one thing, standing up for a foreign country's right to

589
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Speaker 5: wage this war with our money harder to I think,

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Speaker 5: get regular people to rally around.

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Speaker 6: And just one final point because again these you know,

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Speaker 6: the rhymes of history here are pretty strong because the

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Speaker 6: union representing the custodians has actually been putting the screws

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Speaker 6: to Columbia over letting. They're creating an unsafe situation for

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Speaker 6: their employees. Union later, after the hard hat riots said

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Speaker 6: the union's had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 4: The men acted on their own.

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Speaker 6: They did it because they were fed up with violence

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Speaker 6: by anti war demonstrators, those who spat at the American

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Speaker 6: flag and desecrated it. And again this lumping together of

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Speaker 6: legitimate violent protesters that we see today with the actual

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Speaker 6: peaceful practitioners of civil disobedience, that is a problem that

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Speaker 6: it's not going to get better if you don't deal

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Speaker 6: with it by lumping everyone together as a bigot.

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Speaker 4: Right now, that's I think, in the long.

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Speaker 6: Term, a serious issue for the right and the sort

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Speaker 6: of pro Israel center. But even just like the pro

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Speaker 6: Western center, you can't if you just continue toss people

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Speaker 6: simply as bigots rather than people with a deeply held,

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Speaker 6: vastly different worldview, it will not pan out well in

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Speaker 6: the long term.

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Speaker 5: And one thing that we skipped over, but it's worth

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Speaker 5: just keeping an eye on and Powrets reported that it

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Speaker 5: has agreed to interesting language allow basically an American company

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Speaker 5: to occupy the row of port. At the State Department

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Speaker 5: briefing yesterday, a reporter asked the spokesperson Miller about this

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Speaker 5: report and he said they had nothing to add to it.

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Speaker 5: Was not familiar with what, you know, Howrettes is talking

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Speaker 5: about here, But it is interesting that this is being

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Speaker 5: floated through Harets that Israel might attempt to maintain kind

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Speaker 5: of indefinite control of the Rafa border crossing by outsourcing

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Speaker 5: operation of it to an American mercenary company.

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Speaker 3: Just just a strange development to.

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Speaker 5: Keep an eye on, especially as the US, you know,

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Speaker 5: as is building a port outside Gaza as well, amid

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Speaker 5: all of the fears that the occupation that is underway

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Speaker 5: is not going anywhere like that, they're just going to

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Speaker 5: try to lock this area down.

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Speaker 6: So meanwhile, two huge development stateside. Because former President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: the Republican nominee for president, continues to be in court

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Speaker 6: in the hush money trial. He was face to face

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Speaker 6: with the porn starring Core yesterday. But at the same time,

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Speaker 6: we're going to get to this in just one moment.

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Speaker 6: One of his biggest trials. A classified document case was

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Speaker 6: indefinitely postponed by Eileen Cannon yesterday. So let's start first

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Speaker 6: in New York where Stormy Daniels, who is alleged to

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Speaker 6: have had an affair with Donald Trump in two thousand

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Speaker 6: and six in Lake Tahoe.

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Speaker 4: Looks like that affair likely happened. I don't know that

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Speaker 4: we need the allegedly, but.

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Speaker 6: But that is of course part of the case, which

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Speaker 6: is why she was testifying on behalf of the prosecution.

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Speaker 6: So we can go ahead and put the first element

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Speaker 6: up here. We're going to roll a clip. This is

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Speaker 6: a clip from CNN of people just talking about what

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Speaker 6: was happening in the courtroom yesterday.

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Speaker 14: One thing that I've been sort of noticing as this

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Speaker 14: has gone on is that there have been a couple

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Speaker 14: times where she seems to be cracking a joke trying

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Speaker 14: to get a reaction from the jury, and our reporters

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Speaker 14: in the room have noted that the jury hasn't seemed

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Speaker 14: to respond. I mean, what do you make of that.

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Speaker 1: Humor is risky in the courtroom, especially if you go

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Speaker 1: in with lines like it looks like Stormy. If something

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Speaker 1: happens spontaneously if an easel falls over, people will laugh.

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Speaker 1: They're human, but it's never going to work if you

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Speaker 1: go in there like I'm going to amuse the jury.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sort of say this clever thing.

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Speaker 6: So as Jake Tapper Casey Hunton, I think Eli Hoenig,

660
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Speaker 6: a CNN senior legal analyst, talking about what was happening

661
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 6: in the courtroom yesterday, and actually it was a pretty

662
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 6: interesting scene in the courtroom yesterday. The judge at one

663
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 6: point actually admonished Donald Trump for cursing. And this is

664
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Speaker 6: a judge, one.

665
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: Merchant cursing about like in response to probably just saying bs,

666
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 5: probably because there was some reporting that people could audibly

667
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 5: hear him saying BS.

668
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 6: And that's right, and that's what the judge again, one

669
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: merchant was saying. You know, I think he said something

670
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 6: like I don't want you, know, you to continue, like

671
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 6: I don't want you to embarrass yourself. Basically a patronizing

672
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 6: yeah approach from the judge. But he said something like,

673
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 6: you're audibly cussing. And Stormy Daniels meanwhile was regaling the jury,

674
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 6: or as Casey hunt was kind of describing their attempting

675
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 6: to regale the jury in very colorful terms about what

676
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 6: happened allegedly in two thousand and six, going into intimate details,

677
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 6: quite literally intimate details about all that. The judge actually

678
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 6: cut her off at one point. CNN's analysis said that

679
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: it seemed like the prosecution was trying to focus Stormy

680
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 6: Daniels on this now substantively. An interesting part of her

681
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 6: testimony is that she said her publicists had been trying

682
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 6: to sell a story about the affair around the time

683
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 6: of the twenty sixteen election, but didn't.

684
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 4: Really get any.

685
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 6: Interest until after the Access Hollywood tape came out, at

686
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 6: which point they were able to sell it to what

687
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 6: Ami I think is the formal company that was the

688
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 6: David Packer and David Packer who has already testified as

689
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: well the catch and kill attempt, and that's what this

690
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 6: hush money trial is about, that there was a hush

691
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: money arrangement, catch and kill arrangement with this one hundred

692
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 6: and thirty thousand dollars payment to Stormy Daniels over what happened.

693
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: Now.

694
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 6: She is going to be back in court on Thursday.

695
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 6: The judge seemed to be pretty displeased with how everything proceeded,

696
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 6: and I think at one point said, of these details

697
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 6: needn't have been in court. The point of Stormy Daniels

698
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 6: the prosecution getting Stormy Daniels to talk about in detail.

699
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 6: You know, she talked about spanking Trump with a magazine.

700
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 6: She talked in very, very great detail about what she

701
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 6: says happened that night. The point is obviously to establish

702
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 6: that it was something that was real. Thus, here's the

703
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 6: incentive for the hush money payment.

704
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 4: You know, if it.

705
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: Wasn't a real, gripping story, why would Donald Trump pay

706
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 6: this money? Now Trump would and will obviously argue that

707
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 6: he paid the money because you know, he's trying to

708
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 6: silence somebody who's spreading a vicious lie about his marriage.

709
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 6: That's going to be the argument. That has been the argument.

710
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 6: But Ryan, that was just quite a scene in the

711
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Speaker 6: middle of an election.

712
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: It's yes, and it's just wild and right.

713
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Speaker 5: Like you said, Eileen Cannon, who was Trump appointed as

714
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: bad as seems about as Trump friendly a a judge

715
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: as you could possibly get, just basically said never mind

716
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 5: about this trial.

717
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is too well.

718
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: There be and we got to do all this discovery

719
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of work to do, and so

720
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 5: we're just gonna punt this and we'll get back to

721
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 5: you about when we're gonna when we're gonna have this

722
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 5: the one that he seemed that is moving the fastest

723
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: and that he seems to be the most obviously, I

724
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 5: mean a bunch of them. He's kind of obviously guilty

725
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 5: of everybody gets their band court.

726
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: But come on, like, uh.

727
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 6: Well, whether he's legally guilty or like ethically guilty.

728
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: Is exactly like did he do this thing?

729
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 5: Like did he have an affair with Stormy Daniels and

730
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 5: then direct hush money payments to silence it in the

731
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 5: middle of the campaign?

732
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he did that?

733
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 6: Is it an illegal campaign expense? That's honestly a much

734
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 6: tougher question.

735
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: Right, because it's this, it's this. They have to prove that,

736
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 3: you know, he did that.

737
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 5: He did it, you know, for the campaign reason, and

738
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 5: not because he just was embarrassed.

739
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: Only for the campaign reason. It can't be for anything.

740
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: How do you get inside his head?

741
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 4: Like, does anyone want to get inside his head?

742
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: What's going on in there?

743
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 5: And so, yeah, he did the thing, but also so

744
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 5: it's the least he's in the least peril. Yeah, Like

745
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 5: it's not the only way to me that I can

746
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 5: see him going to jail as a result of this

747
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 5: Stormy Daniels trial is is through contempt conviction, which almost

748
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: feels like.

749
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 4: He wants to Yeah, and he could go to jail.

750
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: Judge that throw him in Rikers for a day or

751
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: two and he could have it.

752
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

753
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Speaker 6: I completely agree with that, because he might see that

754
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 6: as something that makes it even ratchets up the stakes

755
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 6: even higher for anyone else to throw him in prison,

756
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 6: if you know, you sort of test the country's reaction

757
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 6: to a former president actually being thrown in Rikers. And

758
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 6: it could just be for a lunch hour, it could

759
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: be for a day or two in the contempt for

760
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Speaker 6: him not listening to the instructions of the judge not

761
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 6: too you know, yesterday I think he came out of

762
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Speaker 6: court and said something very vague, like any honest reporter

763
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 6: would say that was a.

764
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Speaker 4: Crazy day in court, something like that.

765
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Speaker 6: But if he keeps pushing this judge who Trump is

766
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 6: probably eager to push because again, his daughter is it

767
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 6: works for a public relations firm in Chicago who's like

768
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 6: top client is Adam Schiff.

769
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Speaker 4: You know, it's at they.

770
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Speaker 3: Found somebody with liberal family in New York.

771
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, but I mean you can see how Trump

772
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 6: would seize on that, and you know, it's I kind

773
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 6: of agree with you that he's intentionally pushing this potentially

774
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 6: to the brink of going to Jill.

775
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 4: He's He's not far from it at this point at all.

776
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: And even in.

777
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 6: This case, you've had The New York Times publishing lawyers

778
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 6: on the left, progressive attorneys saying that the Brag case

779
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 6: is weak. So does Donald Trump want to push the

780
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 6: Brag case since it's first here front and center to

781
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 6: the brank, get thrown in jail and then sort of

782
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 6: see what happens in the rest of the cases. Dare

783
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 6: everyone else to, you know, push the country in that direction.

784
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 6: I actually think that could possibly be part of the strategy.

785
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 5: And Trump going to wrikers would not only be amazing

786
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 5: for the drama, but it would also have potentially long

787
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: lasting implications for his approach to criminal justice reform.

788
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: Every basically every.

789
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: Politician who ever goes to jail comes out changed as

790
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 5: they see the criminal justice system plago yah let from

791
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: left to right because experiencing it firsthand, experiencing the incredible

792
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 5: dehumanization that goes on in our criminal justice system and

793
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: experiencing it with other humans who you come to recognize

794
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 5: as just.

795
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: People you know who've had it, who've had a who

796
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: you know.

797
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: Some of them did horrible things, others didn't and just

798
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 5: got caught up in the system, but they're all all humans.

799
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 5: And then to have yourself lumped in with them in

800
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: this dehumanizing system, it changes people and it changes the

801
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 5: way they think about the criminal justice system. Now, Trump

802
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 5: is not a normal human, so it might be impossible

803
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 5: for him to absorb the same kinds of lessons that

804
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 5: other people do, given whatever weird kind of psychology goes

805
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: on inside that that nogat of his.

806
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: But it's it's possible.

807
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 4: Anything is possible is possible.

808
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 6: So just a couple of quick bits about the Aileen

809
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 6: Cannon case.

810
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 4: So, I don't know, like the a lot.

811
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 6: Of people on the left seeing this is a an

812
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: in sort of center analyst a big win for the Trump.

813
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: This is the documents one where he like classified document

814
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 3: let's all the boxes of documents and stuff, right.

815
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 4: Mar Lago classified documents.

816
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 6: And you know, again a lot of people saying there's

817
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 6: a win for Donald Trump's a straight win for Donald Trump. Well,

818
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 6: maybe Team Trump thinks that, and maybe you know anti

819
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 6: Trump people think that, but this could push the case

820
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 6: to August and September. So that's where the Trump people

821
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 6: right now want the case to land. The prosecution is

822
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 6: pushing for a July trial start date to begin. There's

823
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: going to be a hearing on June twenty fourth, and

824
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 6: this is what looks like a win for Team Trump.

825
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 6: They wanted to sort of have a conversation or have

826
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 6: a hearing about Biden records, essentially Trump's request for Biden's records,

827
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 6: and Aileen can't actually agree to that on June twenty fourth,

828
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 6: So that's something coming up fairly quickly, just a little

829
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 6: bit over a month away. But the May trial date

830
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 6: now will be pushed either to midsummer if the prosecution

831
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 6: gets its way, or late summer early fall, within months

832
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 6: of the election. And whether or not that's good for

833
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 6: Donald Trump, I actually think is an open question.

834
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: Aileen can and did.

835
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 6: I think she makes it an interesting point when she

836
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: says that this is this case presents some serious novel

837
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 6: is the word she used, challenges with classified information, No

838
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 6: question about that. So it doesn't seem like an insane

839
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 6: decision to me. But pushing it into late summer early fall.

840
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 6: I don't know that that's even helpful for Donald Trump,

841
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: to be honest.

842
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, yeah, because.

843
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 6: That's when things are going to be really heating up.

844
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: A lot of the other legal dates are coming up

845
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 6: around that time period too, and that's when he has

846
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 6: to be campaigning. You know, from just pure political strategy perspective,

847
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 6: that's when you would want to be. It's more important

848
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 6: to campaigning then than it is in May.

849
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 5: So who knows, Yeah, and what about and so then

850
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 5: the Georgia case is just petering along because of the prosecution,

851
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 5: and then Jack Smith, what happened to that guy? Still

852
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 5: out there like he had a case? What happened his case?

853
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean, it's is that case coming?

854
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: It's still out there.

855
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 6: The full timeline is like almost impossible to keep track of,

856
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 6: and because honestly, precisely, because it keeps changing all the time.

857
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it right now. If you get into

858
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 6: the fall, So if you push, for example, this one

859
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 6: into the fall, CNN has a crazy calendar here. So

860
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 6: Fulton County prosecutors proposed trial data is August fifth, which

861
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 6: is literally like three weeks after the Republican convention right

862
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 6: ahead of a week.

863
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: It's about a week before the dem convention.

864
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, about a week before the den convention.

865
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: So his trial would still probably be going on during

866
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: the Democratic convention. So you'd have a split screen of

867
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: Democrats giving their speeches in Chicago, protests roiling Chicago, right,

868
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 5: and Trump getting prosecuted.

869
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 15: Right.

870
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 6: And remember also that's that would be if Trump's team

871
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 6: gets their way, then he can he would be pivoting

872
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 6: right before Labor Day or potentially right after Labor Day

873
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 6: from that trial back to the Eileen Canon trial. I mean,

874
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 6: it's just really crazy, this timeline into the fall, especially

875
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 6: if this one changes. And this, by the way, we

876
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 6: should mention is what a lot of legal analysty is

877
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 6: by far the most serious case.

878
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Speaker 3: Against Donald Trump, the Jack Smith one.

879
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Speaker 4: The classified documents case.

880
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Speaker 5: I mean, it does seem like a slam dunk. But

881
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: also you're going to you can lock him up for that.

882
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 5: I mean, they certainly have locked up plenty of whistleblowers

883
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: for it.

884
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

885
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 5: Actually, it's just impossible for me to believe they'd lock

886
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Speaker 5: up anybody with any power for that.

887
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't, I'm I mean, I don't

888
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Speaker 6: disagree with that. But whether the legal case is probably

889
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 6: the best for the prosecution, I guess because they've had

890
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 6: some success with the Espionage Act.

891
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: Over the years, which is of course what Trump has

892
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 4: tried with.

893
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 5: And also he so flagrantly did it, you know, and

894
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 5: he's like telling like people, he's like, there's audio of

895
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 5: him telling people this is classified. You can't shouldn't have this.

896
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 5: It's like like just hilariously like guilty stuff.

897
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 6: Billionaire white collar criminals going to rikers is typically delicious.

898
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Speaker 6: But if it's going to be Donald Trump, you know,

899
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 6: I would really like to see Hillary Clinton too.

900
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Speaker 4: If we're going to do this, let's do it.

901
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 3: Lock them all up, let's do it.

902
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 4: Let's yeah, lock them all up.

903
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: Put bars around this whole city.

904
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Speaker 6: Yeah, probably probably fair. All right, let's move on to TikTok,

905
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 6: because Ryan, you actually have some original reporting here. This

906
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 6: this is unraveling in a crazy direction, and you have

907
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Speaker 6: some audio actually.

908
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Speaker 5: Yes and so, and it backs up this this crazy

909
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 5: exchange that between Secretary Saint Anthony Blincoln and Mitt Romney

910
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: over the weekend, in which apparently they were they forgot

911
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 5: that they were speaking in front of a live audience

912
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 5: and were being recorded and just got super honest. So

913
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Speaker 5: now that the audio that we have, you could to

914
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Speaker 5: excuse them a little bit because they did not think

915
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Speaker 5: that they were not in front of a kind of

916
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Speaker 5: public audience. But somebody leaked it to us. We'll play

917
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Speaker 5: that in a moment. But first, here's Romney and Blincoln.

918
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Speaker 16: Why has the PR been so awful? I know that's

919
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 16: not your area of expertise, but you have to have

920
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Speaker 16: some thoughts on that. Which is I mean, as you said,

921
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Speaker 16: why has a mass disappeared in terms of public perception?

922
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 16: An offer is on the table to have a ceasefire,

923
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Speaker 16: and yet the world is screaming about Israel. It's like,

924
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Speaker 16: why aren't not screaming about Amas except the ceasefire? Bring

925
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 16: over the hostages? It said, It's all the other way around.

926
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Speaker 16: Typically the Israelis are good at PR. What's happened here?

927
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Speaker 2: How have they?

928
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 16: How have they and we been so ineffective communicating the

929
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Speaker 16: reality is there and our point of view?

930
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Speaker 15: How this narrative has evolved. Yeah, it's a great question.

931
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Speaker 15: I don't have a good answer to that. There one

932
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Speaker 15: can speculate about what some of the causes might be.

933
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

934
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Speaker 15: I can tell you this. We were talking about this a

935
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Speaker 15: little bit over dinner with Cindy. I think in my

936
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Speaker 15: time in Washington, which is a little bit over thirty years,

937
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Speaker 15: the single biggest change has been in the information environment.

938
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Speaker 15: And when I started out in the early nineteen nineties,

939
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 15: everyone did the same thing. You woke up in the morning,

940
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Speaker 15: you opened the door of your apartment, your house, you

941
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Speaker 15: picked up a hard copy of the New York Times,

942
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Speaker 15: to Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and then if

943
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Speaker 15: you had a television in your office, you turned it

944
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Speaker 15: on at six thirty or seven o'clock and watched the

945
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Speaker 15: National Network News.

946
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Speaker 3: Now, of course we are on.

947
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Speaker 15: An intervenience feed of information with new Impulse's inputs every millisecond,

948
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Speaker 15: And of course the way this has played out on

949
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Speaker 15: social media has dominated the narrative. And have a social

950
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Speaker 15: media ecosystem environment in which context, history, facts get lost

951
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Speaker 15: and the emotion the impact of images dominates. And we

952
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Speaker 15: can't discount that, but I think it also has a

953
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Speaker 15: very very very challenging effect on.

954
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Speaker 12: The narrative.

955
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Speaker 16: A small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there

956
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Speaker 16: was such overwhelming support for US to shut down potentially

957
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Speaker 16: TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look

958
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Speaker 16: at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions

959
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Speaker 16: of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it's overwhelmingly

960
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Speaker 16: so among TikTok broadcasts. So I know that's a real

961
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Speaker 16: interest and the President will get the chance to make

962
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Speaker 16: action in that regard.

963
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Speaker 5: Now, normally, after a clip like that, we'd like to

964
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Speaker 5: help youeople read between the lines, because sometimes politicians speak

965
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Speaker 5: in code not there. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they tell

966
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 5: you exactly what they're thinking. Another case is Representative Mike Lawler,

967
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Speaker 5: who was recently in a private meeting with the organization

968
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Speaker 5: No Labels, which kind of a pro corporate group that

969
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Speaker 5: tried to recruit Joe Manchin and a bunch of other

970
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 5: people to run for president. He met with some No

971
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Speaker 5: Labels donors in a private zoom with Josh Gottheimer, who

972
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: is another of leader of No Labels. And this was

973
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Speaker 5: what Mike Lawler had to say about his role and

974
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Speaker 5: Congress's role in the TikTok ben. This audio was obtained

975
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Speaker 5: by the Intercept. My colleagues of Kale Leasy and prim

976
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Speaker 5: Tucker wrote about this wrote wrote about his comments, also

977
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Speaker 5: calling for the FBI to like investigate all campus protests.

978
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 5: But he also spoke about TikTok, which they mentioned. But

979
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 5: I wanted to play this clip here.

980
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 12: As Josh pointed out, when you have amas Iran China

981
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 12: endorsing these protests, it speaks volume to the absurdity of them.

982
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 12: It also highlights exactly why we included the TikTok bill

983
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Speaker 12: in the Foreign Supplemental Aid package, because you're seeing how

984
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Speaker 12: these kids are being manipulated by certain groups for entities

985
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 12: or countries to foemen hate on their behalf and really

986
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 12: create a hostile environment near.

987
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 9: In the US.

988
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Speaker 5: So all of this is relevant because as we can

989
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Speaker 5: put up this third element, TikTok has now sued as

990
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 5: was expected to overturn the law on constitutional grounds. First

991
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 5: Amendment is very clear. It says Congress shall make no

992
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 5: law bridging the freedom of the press. Shall make no law.

993
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 5: I guess a bunch of Bill of rights are confusing

994
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,479
Speaker 5: and vaguely written. What does it mean that a well

995
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 5: regulated militia allows you to keep in bare arms like

996
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 5: you know, even arguing about that for hundreds of years.

997
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 5: Congress shall make no law bridging the freedom of the

998
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 5: press is pretty straightforward and culturally. The First Amendment has

999
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: been upheld by kind of the American people who deeply

1000
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: believe in this idea that Congress shall make no law

1001
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 5: bridging the freedom of press. So, according to Mitt Romney

1002
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 5: and Mike Lawler, Congress made law to abridge the freedom

1003
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 5: of the press.

1004
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 6: Well, what's interesting about that is they seem to be

1005
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 6: talking about TikTok as though it is. And Blinken is

1006
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 6: especially interesting in this context. He's comparing TikTok directly to

1007
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 6: newspapers and as he says, news networks. Now, I would

1008
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 6: actually disagree with that, And I think Section two thirty

1009
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 6: is one of the big questions here about what constitutes

1010
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 6: a publication, what constitutes a news outlet. If you're just

1011
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 6: a platform, do you have the same roles and responsibilities

1012
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 6: as a newspaper. I think that's genuinely a major question,

1013
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 6: and I think it's heavily implicated in this conversation about

1014
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: the First Amendment and TikTok. The government is going to argue,

1015
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 6: for example, that you can say whatever you would say

1016
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: on TikTok. Nobody's right to say it. Whatever you were

1017
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 6: going to say on TikTok, nobody's.

1018
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: Saying you can't say that. You can just say it

1019
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: in another form, just not on this forum.

1020
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 6: But that becomes again a pretty serious discussion about what

1021
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 6: the First Amendment actually means. It is again fascinating as

1022
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 6: what we talked about in the Israel Block and actually

1023
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 6: we've talked about all of this, or we talked about

1024
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 6: this all the time. How avoiding the issue saying everybody

1025
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 6: is either a bigot or they've had their brain poisoned

1026
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 6: by bigots, as you heard Mike Lawler argue.

1027
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: In that auditulating the young people, Yes that.

1028
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 6: It's not none of these sentiments are legitimate or part

1029
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 6: of sort of deeper worldviews. That is a huge mistake

1030
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 6: from Republicans and from sort of center pro Israel people

1031
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 6: to just dismiss this either as bigotry or purely manipulation.

1032
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what they're doing. I have like actual

1033
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 6: serious national security concerns about TikTok. I've had that conversation.

1034
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 6: We've had that conversation many times. But to be so

1035
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 6: dismissive is a huge not just a tactical error, but

1036
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Speaker 6: an ideological one too.

1037
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Speaker 5: And at least Lawler's comment are a little bit less

1038
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 5: reckless than Blincoln's when it and Romney's when it comes

1039
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: to kind of a legislative intent perspective in when it

1040
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 5: comes to like giving away the game, because at least

1041
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 5: he's sticking to this idea that actually is Hamas and

1042
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 5: Iran and China that are using the platform to manipulate. However,

1043
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 5: the laws, like the law is specific to like China

1044
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 5: and a couple other countries. What he's really talking about

1045
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 5: the content. What's so clear is that this really is

1046
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 5: content based, Yeah, and that means it's a violation of

1047
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 5: the First Amendment.

1048
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Speaker 6: And you may remember when the Osama Bin lad Laden

1049
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Speaker 6: letter went viral just a few months ago, and there

1050
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 6: was this panic about how the algorithm may have been

1051
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 6: tweaked by Beijang to get all of these young Americans

1052
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Speaker 6: to discover the bin Laden letter and post about how

1053
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 6: it really changed the perception of the US negative direction.

1054
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Speaker 6: And I think part of the problem here is that

1055
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Speaker 6: is entirely possible and entirely problematic. That should be something

1056
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Speaker 6: that legislators are concerned about and they deal with, and

1057
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Speaker 6: that is front and center on their minds.

1058
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Speaker 4: But there was some.

1059
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Speaker 6: Really excellent reporting tracing the arc of virality in that

1060
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Speaker 6: particular place, and it looks like it had nothing to

1061
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Speaker 6: do with TikTok, tweaking the algorithm, and everything to do

1062
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Speaker 6: with organic sentiment among young people who were discovering the

1063
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Speaker 6: bin laden letter for the first time and saying, oh,

1064
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 6: my goodness. You know, was it totally naive from my perspective, yes,

1065
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Speaker 6: but saying, oh my goodness, this completely radically changed my

1066
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Speaker 6: perception of the United States. The evidence that it was

1067
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Speaker 6: organic and then maybe it had like a streisand effect

1068
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Speaker 6: is yes.

1069
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know what really happened, I think

1070
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Speaker 5: from from watching that whole bin laden letter virality take off.

1071
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Speaker 3: Yeshar Ali, Yes, remember this.

1072
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Speaker 5: So he's a power Twitter user who identified this phenomenon.

1073
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Speaker 4: International amount of mystery on.

1074
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Speaker 5: TikTok and he found like three clips of people doing

1075
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Speaker 5: this on TikTok, and he brought it over to Twitter, yes,

1076
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Speaker 5: and shared it with the boomers on Twitter.

1077
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Speaker 3: Yes, And the Boomers had a moral.

1078
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Speaker 4: Panic streisand effected it.

1079
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Speaker 15: Yes.

1080
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Speaker 5: And so then that moral panic is what poured the

1081
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Speaker 5: gasoline on a couple of sparks.

1082
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Speaker 4: It's a good Washington Post article on this.

1083
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1084
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Speaker 5: So the idea that China did it is kind of

1085
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Speaker 5: undercut by the fact that we know who did it. It

1086
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Speaker 5: was your shar It's like he's the one that super

1087
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Speaker 5: charged it. And I don't think did he respond to that, like,

1088
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I think he said, well, look, I

1089
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Speaker 5: was identifying a real phenomenon. It's not my fault that

1090
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Speaker 5: you all panicked and freaked out about it.

1091
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Speaker 6: The same thing, though, is true if you look at

1092
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Speaker 6: the one thing that people like Lawler will point to

1093
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Speaker 6: is the breakdown in posts that are pro Palestine versus

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Speaker 6: pro Israel on TikTok. To the extent that we can

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00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 6: actually break that down, it's dramatically different. You know, more

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 6: pro Palestine posts on TikTok than there are pro Israel

1097
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 6: posts on TikTok, and that is pointed at and said,

1098
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 6: this is evidence of form manipulation. Again, it's entirely possible

1099
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 6: that is true, but there's significant evidence that shows that

1100
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 6: breakdown looks a lot like how young people view the

1101
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 6: breakdown themselves. And there was an interesting poll this week

1102
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: that found that the issue is not rated among the

1103
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 6: most important for college students, so they're more likely to

1104
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 6: say the most important issue to them is healthcare and

1105
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 6: education financing and all of that doesn't mean that they

1106
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 6: don't think that the United States and Israel are wrong

1107
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 6: in the conflict, because public opinion polling on that shows

1108
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 6: they do, and that the TikTok breakdown actually matches the

1109
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 6: opinion breakdown better than anything else.

1110
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Speaker 3: Right, And it's all relative.

1111
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 5: So for Romney to say, you know, there's more pro

1112
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: Palestine stuff on TikTok than there is anywhere else. Two

1113
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 5: things on that people who post all the time about

1114
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 5: Palestine on TikTok will tell you, like, there is still

1115
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: significant censorship.

1116
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 3: There's so much censorship.

1117
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 5: On TikTok of pro Palestinian content that people you know

1118
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 5: who were told that, you know, the Chinese must be

1119
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 5: you know, juicing the stats for hamas or like, are

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00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 5: you crazy, Like you go on here and try to

1121
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 5: post pro Postinian content and see what happens. But it's

1122
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 5: relative to these American companies, right that massively put their

1123
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 5: thumb on the scale. So China kind of just has

1124
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: their thumb on the scale against Palestinians less than the

1125
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 5: American and other platforms, which make it, you know, very

1126
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 5: very difficult to push pro Palestinian content through without being

1127
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 5: censored and shadow band and so on. Setting that all aside,

1128
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 5: the way that Blake and Romney frame it is just

1129
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: kind of.

1130
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 4: Incredible, just a pr problem.

1131
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: How did we just how did we lose the narrative?

1132
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: Should have hired Don Draper just appear.

1133
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 5: It's not the thirty four thousand plus killed. It's not

1134
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 5: the more than thirteen fourteen thousand children killed. It's not

1135
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 5: it's not blocking humanitarian aid. It's not deliberately targeting a

1136
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 5: world's central kitchen staffers.

1137
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: It's none of that.

1138
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 5: It's the fact that we used to have the New

1139
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 5: York Times, Watch Post and Wall Street Journal and evening news,

1140
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 5: and we could then shape the narrative that was being

1141
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 5: delivered to people. Now they can see for themselves what

1142
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 5: is going on that they then followed that up with therefore,

1143
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 5: that's why we banned that and are trying to go

1144
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 5: back to where we could put things in a bottle.

1145
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 5: Is a moment of just such absolute self unawareness, just

1146
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 5: a word, self awareness.

1147
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 6: Obama pining for like the position that she didn't ping

1148
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 6: was in the reserve of a big this is this

1149
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 6: is what he did Trump agree on, yes, and this

1150
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 6: is blinkin pining for like the days of John Foster

1151
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 6: Dulles where he could just just call Climb magazine, which

1152
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 6: he still can you know, he's he's still but it

1153
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 6: doesn't have the same Yeah, exactly, it doesn't have the

1154
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 6: same power. The last time I say on this is

1155
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 6: it's also people are making the mistake of assuming this

1156
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 6: was the same thing with like the Russian interference that actually,

1157
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 6: like to the extent that it did happen, it was

1158
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 6: those silly viral memes and everything that what China would

1159
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 6: want to do is to strictly advance the Palestinian cause

1160
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 6: in the United States as opposed to destabilized public opinion.

1161
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 6: That's really what Russia was trying to do back in

1162
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. Was so discord you know, they were of

1163
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 6: the memes. There were some really cheesy, awful pro like

1164
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 6: right memes and some really cheesy awful pro BLM pro

1165
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 6: left memes. So even what their conception of what might

1166
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 6: be happening here is just in this sort of box

1167
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 6: that it's either going to be China wants us all

1168
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 6: to be pro Palestine because China supports the Palestinians. China

1169
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 6: just wants us at each other's throats if anything like

1170
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 6: that looks like the strategy looks like the long term

1171
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 6: strategies to weaken Americans love of America frankly, and to

1172
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 6: sow discord, which is similar to how Russia has approached

1173
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 6: it for decades.

1174
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 5: Too, and how Voice of America approaches it.

1175
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 4: You know, radio free are all of these Yeah, I'm

1176
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 4: not wrong, it's not right.

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 5: We love the so descent also and prop up like

1178
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 5: civil society organizations that profess to have concerns about human

1179
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 5: rights and so.

1180
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, now he's doing anything new, No, not at all.

1181
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 4: We will never escape the Cold War.

1182
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 6: Vledi Mcputin's inauguration is happening right now in Russia. I

1183
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 6: don't know if you caught this big news, Ryan, but

1184
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 6: Steven Sagal is there. He was there to support Vitamin

1185
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 6: Lutin as his inauguration unfolded this week.

1186
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 4: It's his fifth term.

1187
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 6: I think by the end of this term he will

1188
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 6: actually have been in power in Russia longer than Stalin

1189
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 6: was so huge news.

1190
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: Also, this is the New York Times.

1191
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 6: Just as we were talking, reports a large Russian missile

1192
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 6: and drone assault caused serious damage to several power plants.

1193
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 6: Across Ukraine early Wednesday. According to Ukrainian officials, it's Russia's

1194
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 6: fifth attack, The New York Times says on energy facilities

1195
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 6: just in this last month and half. Part of their campaign,

1196
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 6: as The Times describes it, to cut off electricity to

1197
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 6: the big swaths of Ukraine and to make life harder

1198
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 6: for Ukrainian civilians. Meanwhile, Ukraine is saying that it arrested

1199
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 6: two kernels. We can put the first element here up

1200
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 6: on the screen, two colonels who had taken money from Russia. Allegedly,

1201
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 6: according to Ukrainian prosecutors, charged them with treason, charged one

1202
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 6: of them with a terrorist act, a terrorist act, attempted

1203
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 6: terrorist act. They had allegedly taken drones and ammunition from

1204
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 6: the FSB to assassinate Vladimir Zelenski, President of Ukraine. Obviously

1205
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 6: this is that they had taken money from the FSB,

1206
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 6: So those drones, those ammo money. There were assassination attempts,

1207
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 6: I mean there have been. Zelenski has had a number

1208
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 6: of close calls of course of the war. Sometimes that's just

1209
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 6: from him like going to the front lines, but there

1210
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 6: were also attempts last August and in April. According to

1211
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 6: officials on Zelenski's life. It's some amazing how many brushes

1212
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 6: with death that Selenski's had. Ryan This one is particularly

1213
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 6: interesting given that the allegation here is Russia paid to

1214
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 6: Kernels to assassinate Zolensky, which means that Russia's penetrated.

1215
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: The inner circle of Zelenski.

1216
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 6: Also interesting because it means potentially people on the American

1217
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 6: payroll in some indirect way or potentially direct way, depending

1218
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 6: on how you look at our funding, were paid by

1219
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 6: the FSP to assassinate Zolensky.

1220
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 5: And one more reason that, as Trump said to the Israelis,

1221
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 5: is you need to wrap up your war?

1222
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: Like, yes, a good reason to wrap up this war.

1223
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 5: Like the American advisors to the Ukrainian forces at this

1224
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 5: point are chiefly and almost solely focused on advising the

1225
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 5: Ukrainians how to hold the territory that they currently have.

1226
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 5: The idea that they are going to be able to

1227
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 5: put together enough of a a manpower and military power

1228
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 5: structure to wage a counter offensive and retake territory is

1229
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 5: no longer taken seriously by American advisors who are basically

1230
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 5: running the strategy for the Ukrainians. So if they have

1231
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 5: acknowledged that, then why keep fighting if it is possible

1232
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 5: to get a deal, Like if peace defends the same

1233
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 5: territory that you currently have, why would you not choose

1234
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 5: that rather than war, which comes at a much higher

1235
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 5: risk of collapsing. Now, a peace deal can collapse. Peace

1236
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 5: deals throughout history eventually always have collapsed, Like we always

1237
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 5: get another war at some point, But the current war

1238
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 5: has significant risks to the Ukrainian front lines and forces

1239
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 5: who could collapse at any point and then could see

1240
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: major Russian gains. And now you're negotiating from an even

1241
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 5: weaker position, and you may even have you know, Zelenski assassinated.

1242
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 5: And there's why at this point are we continuing this

1243
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 5: other than the fact that the money was appropriated and

1244
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 5: it's got to be spent.

1245
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I just answered my own question.

1246
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 6: Well, and the assassination of Zelenski isn't just about Zelensky. Potentially,

1247
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 6: if it were to happen tragically, it would mean complete

1248
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 6: destabilization of the government and already unstable government. There's also

1249
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 6: worth mentioning that the energy attack that Ukrainian officials say

1250
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 6: happened just today while we were taping this comes as

1251
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 6: Ukraine is looking for more air defense, basically the air

1252
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 6: defensive weapons, its ability to protect its energy sources, and

1253
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 6: amid all of that, it's asking I think Spain maybe

1254
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 6: even like a couple of other countries directly for this

1255
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 6: right now, talking about Romania also has been in talks

1256
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 6: about this.

1257
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 4: So I agree with everything you just said. Ryan.

1258
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 6: Here's an interesting quote from Zelenski. He said, today, everyone

1259
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 6: who so this is right as Russia is about to

1260
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 6: commemorate World War two, Ukraine is commemorating World War two.

1261
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 6: Zelenski says, today everyone who remembers World War Two and

1262
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 6: has survived to this day feels a sense of deja vu.

1263
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 6: Russia has brought the terrible past back into the daily lives,

1264
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 6: proving into the daily news, proving with each crime that

1265
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 6: Nazism has revived. Surely Lant Putin is going to also

1266
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 6: invoke Nazism tomorrow from the other side of the conflict.

1267
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 4: Just really ugly, really ugly stuff.

1268
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 5: So Zelenski's saying Putin's a Nazi now, yes, And Mike

1269
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 5: Johnson is saying that the camp's protesters are Nazis.

1270
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: There's Nazis everywhere.

1271
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 4: Everyone is a Nazi.

1272
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: Nazism, everyone is either Hamas or a Nazi.

1273
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: Did you see that?

1274
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: Maybe both?

1275
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 4: Did you see Tom Brady?

1276
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 12: Oh?

1277
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 3: Actually there is a whole Hamas or Nazis thing.

1278
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely? Did you see the Tom Brady roast?

1279
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,959
Speaker 6: No heard Tom Brady he's a Nazi hitler.

1280
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah it was. That was a bit by Tom Sugura

1281
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: and Bert Krischner.

1282
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: I heard it was good. I gotta go back it is.

1283
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 4: I think you'll like it. I think you'll like it.

1284
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, everybody's a Nazi. We can't escape the Cold War,

1285
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 4: we can't escape World War two.

1286
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 6: We are perpetually reliving the twentieth century for partisan football game.

1287
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 5: Right, and as crystalin Soccer covered, the UK Foreign minister

1288
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 5: recently said that it's okay for Ukraine to use its

1289
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 5: long range missiles to strike deep inside Russia, and Putin

1290
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 5: responded by saying if they do that that he considers

1291
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 5: the UK a legitimate target, and also launched a tactical

1292
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 5: nuclear weapons scenario planning strategy gaming out which he said

1293
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 5: was in response to this Western provocation. And you have

1294
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 5: to say that he's correct to say that it is

1295
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 5: Western provocation. To shift from it is not okay to

1296
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 5: launch you Western long range missiles into Russia. To say

1297
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 5: actually it is okay to launch like that is an

1298
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 5: escalation and a provocation. Yeah, why at this date, like

1299
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 5: how it almost feels like the West just hates Ukraine

1300
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 5: and is baiting Russia to just overruns it's decrepit front lines.

1301
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's constantly living at the end of World

1302
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 6: War two in the Cold War. I mean, that's where

1303
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 6: people like the and Apple bombs of the West and

1304
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 6: the Tony Blinkns of the West are focused like just

1305
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 6: it's it's only the end of World War two, the

1306
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 6: beginning of the Cold War. Those are the only possible dynamics.

1307
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 6: And that's why NATO needs to expand all the way

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Speaker 6: to Ukraine. That's why it needs to you know, bring

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Speaker 6: in Finland, and that's why it needs to.

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Speaker 4: Move further and further towards Russia. Essentially, is because we're still.

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Speaker 6: At the the dawn of the Cold War era after

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Speaker 6: World War Two, the stakes are at the exact same

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Speaker 6: and in some respect it is true the stakes are

1314
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 6: the same, like nuclear war, same stakes, but we've now

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Speaker 6: had one hundred years nearly to learn from.

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Speaker 4: Actually, we've had just under one hundred years to learn,

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Speaker 4: which is interesting you itself.

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Speaker 6: How new the technology is how to navigate these waters,

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Speaker 6: and we refuse to learn those lessons, are constantly stuck

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Speaker 6: exactly before any of those lessons could have been learned.

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Speaker 5: So you wanted to talk about a new phenomenon around

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Speaker 5: gen z debt.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so the Wall Street Journal had to report we

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Speaker 6: can put this up on the screen because I want

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Speaker 6: to juxtapose it with something that went viral just a

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Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago. Ryan, I don't know if you

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Speaker 6: remember this headline from the Economist. We'll get to it

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Speaker 6: in a second, but here's the Wall Street Journal. They

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01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 6: say gen Z sinks deeper into debt and all a

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01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 6: little bit from the beginning, bless you. They say young

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 6: Americans are starting out with more credit card debt than

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 6: generations before them. That financial burden can have long lasting effects,

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01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 6: no kidding. The rising debt load largely reflects a surge

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01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 6: in prices for food and shelter, food and shelter at

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Speaker 6: the start of their careers, coupled with a larger percentage

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 6: of gen Z who graduated with student loans. Now, the

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01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 6: average credit card balance for twenty two to twenty four

1338
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 6: year olds was two eight hundred and thirty four dollars

1339
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 6: in the last quarter of last year, compared with an

1340
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 6: average inflation adjusted balance of about twenty two hundred dollars

1341
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 6: in the same period in twenty thirteen. That's according to

1342
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 6: TransUnion data from TransUnion.

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01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 4: Younger people with.

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Speaker 6: Higher debt are more delinquent on credit card payments and

1345
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 6: need to rely on family for help if they lose

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 6: their jobs. They economists and financial advisors. They also often

1347
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,480
Speaker 6: delay life milestones, including home ownership and marriage, say the economists, Yes, obviously,

1348
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 6: now right, it was up about ten percent, a little bit, yeah,

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Speaker 6: ten years, Yeah, about ten percent and ten years.

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Speaker 4: They also compare it though with boomers.

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Speaker 6: Another new zeala that compared gen Z to boomers recently

1352
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 6: was the Economists, and this one fairly viral on Twitter.

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01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 6: There were a lot of conversations. It looked like libertarian

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 6: Twitter was just gloating over this. Gen Z is unprecedentedly rich.

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01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 6: That's the headline from the Economist. Just a couple of

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01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 6: weeks so. That was published on April sixteenth, and the

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01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 6: economists wrote gen Z is taking over in the rich world.

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 6: There are at least two hundred and fifty million people

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 6: be towarnt between born between ninety seven and twenty twelve,

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 6: about half renown a job in the average American workplace.

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 6: The number of gen Zers working full time is about

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 6: to surpass the number of full time baby Boomers, those

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 6: born between forty five and sixty four. America now has

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01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 6: more than six thousand Zoomer chief executives and a thousand

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Speaker 6: Zoomer politicians.

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Speaker 4: And they're saying that, you know, gen.

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 6: Z's full time employment makes them puts them ahead of

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 6: boomers and millennials. I would assume Ryan, that's mostly due

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 6: to women in the workforce.

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Speaker 5: And millennials because of the two thousand and eight financial

1371
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Speaker 5: crisis and the massive recession. Because what well, y'all gen

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Speaker 5: Z people don't remember is what.

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 3: It was like to have high unemployment.

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Speaker 4: And you know, except for COVID, although a lot of

1375
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 4: them were still in.

1376
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 5: School, right and you got and there was a six

1377
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 5: hundred dollars a week, you know, unemployment bonus on top

1378
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 5: of your regular unemployment. So, but the idea of looking

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01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 5: for a job and being unable to find it, it

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01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 5: is something that people obviously still experience, but nowhere near

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Speaker 5: at the scale that they experienced in the twenty tens,

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 5: and then also in like the late seventies, eighties into

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01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 5: the early nineties, which is and it's a tragedy that

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 5: there's been this kind of cultural memory holding of the

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01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 5: pain of unemployment because we have been grappling with the

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 5: pain of inflation instead, and it has made people kind

1387
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 5: of forget how good it is to be able to

1388
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 5: tell your boss to f off and go to another job,

1389
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 5: to tell your boss that you and your coworkers have

1390
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 5: organized the union and there's nothing they can do about

1391
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 5: it except recognize it, and so on.

1392
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 6: So the journal goes on to talk about credit scores.

1393
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 6: So as interest rates have climbed over the past two years,

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01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 6: those credit scores have taken a hit. The drop was

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01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 6: most drastic for millennials with credit scores between six sixty

1396
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 6: and seven nineteen, who scores fell by twenty six points.

1397
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 4: Gen Z wasn't far behind.

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 6: The average credit score change for gen Z with credit

1399
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 6: scores above seven twenty fell twenty four points during that

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01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 6: time period, according to credit Karma.

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 4: Now another thing.

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Speaker 6: Forbes wrote about this recently. They said, eugen Z is

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01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 6: not just doing okay, we're actually the authors a zoomer,

1404
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 6: actually really well off as a whole. In twenty twenty two,

1405
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 6: nearly a third of twenty five year old Americans. We're

1406
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 6: already homeowners, outpacing both millennials and Gen X at the

1407
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 6: same age. Our luxury spending is expected to grow three

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 6: times faster than older generations. So if we do ex

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 6: suppose that luxury spending with credit card debt, that's an

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 6: interesting thing too. It depends on how you're classifying luxury spending, obviously,

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01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 6: but there's also just this moment of really cheap luxury

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 6: that's accumulated in the wake of you know, China and

1413
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 6: flooding our market with all kinds of different goods, with

1414
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 6: influencer culture and all of that.

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 4: It's just like people spend.

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 6: Because if you can't afford a home, and I think

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01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 6: that's part of what this is speaking to. I'm curious

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 6: what you think about this. Ran is people are having

1419
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,919
Speaker 6: dramatically different experiences, and that was true of millennials. Obviously,

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 6: this is always partially the case, but I think it's

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 6: especially been it's been acute for millennials and Gen Z,

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 6: where you whether you're doing well or poorly, you're going

1423
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 6: to be doing really well or really poorly, that there's

1424
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 6: this sort of polarization of people's experiences. And for gen Z,

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 6: if you're not in that third of homeowners, you know,

1426
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 6: probably to get by, you are loading up on credit

1427
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 6: card debt, and you probably are purchasing what might be

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 6: classified as a luxury. And we've seen this kind of happening.

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01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 6: As luxuries get cheaper more affordable, it's easy to kind

1430
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 6: of load up on them just to get by in

1431
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 6: the misery of like being a renter perpetually and trying

1432
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 6: to dig out of the hole when you feel like

1433
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 6: there isn't a lot of room for upward mobility. You

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 6: may be employed, but you may not feel like you're

1435
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 6: in a space where there's a lot of room for growth.

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 6: You were, you know, promised that college education was your

1437
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 6: ticket to the middle class, and instead I've heard this

1438
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,839
Speaker 6: from some of my friends that you just you already

1439
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 6: have fifty thousand dollars in debt, so why not take

1440
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 6: the vacation. And we may disagree with that, and you know,

1441
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 6: we could get Dave Ramsey here and he could disagree

1442
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,440
Speaker 6: with that, but the justification for it is fairly obvious.

1443
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 5: And one thing that doesn't get talked about a lot

1444
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 5: is that millennials also got subsidized services. They were subsidized

1445
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 5: by the federal reserves, like zero interest rate policies. It's

1446
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 5: quantitative vis and it pumped Silicon Valley full of money.

1447
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 5: Silicon Valley was then willing to lose lots of money

1448
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,919
Speaker 5: on these different apps services, uberft, uber eats, food delivery,

1449
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 5: like all of that stuff was losing huge amounts of money.

1450
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 5: And they were able to lose that money because they

1451
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 5: were trying to grow their membership, and that was entirely

1452
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 5: subsidized by the Federal Reserve. It was just handing money

1453
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 5: to these Silicon Valley executives who then believed that they

1454
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 5: were geniuses, you know, for making an app that helps

1455
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 5: you get food, you know, from McDonald's to your house.

1456
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 5: And so it was so cheap to get an uber

1457
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 5: and to get uber eats and the rest of it

1458
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 5: that it became embedded in the culture that gen Z

1459
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 5: then inherited. Yes, then they turned the spigot off, and

1460
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 5: the price of ubers and lifts and and the meal deliveries,

1461
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 5: you know, went up to a place where the companies

1462
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 5: are actually trying to make profit instead of just relying

1463
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 5: on the on the Federal Reserve doal that money is

1464
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 5: coming out of gen Z budgets. That's point in a

1465
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 5: way that millennials didn't have to pay it before, and

1466
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 5: it's kicked off this like really you know, crazy discourse

1467
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 5: around food delivery and such. But underlying it all is

1468
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 5: a real structural change in the economy that people may

1469
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 5: not necessarily identify as having occurred on their watch.

1470
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 3: But they feel it.

1471
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that they feel it at the end of the

1472
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 5: month when they're like, oh, my credit card debt is

1473
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 5: higher than it was last month and higher than it

1474
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 5: was before, and I just cannot make things work anymore.

1475
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 3: Why, What's what's going on? What am I doing wrong?

1476
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm really curious.

1477
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 6: Actually, that's such a good point, because I'm really curious

1478
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 6: how many of those kind of gig economy expensive are

1479
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 6: classified as luxury expenses in the calculations that Forbes was citing,

1480
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 6: Because if you're classifying uber eats as a luxury expense,

1481
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 6: but you know, at this point, you're somebody whose entire

1482
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 6: life has been sort of built around like maybe you

1483
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 6: don't have a car because you've always relied on fairly

1484
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 6: cheap Uber eats delivery before you know, maybe prices keep

1485
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 6: going up higher and higher. You just didn't get a car.

1486
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 6: You live in a city and you didn't need a car,

1487
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 6: You didn't need to go take a bus to go

1488
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 6: to this restaurant. Or whether or not this is wise

1489
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 6: spending is a different question than whether or not people

1490
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 6: reasonably came to rely on it because prices were lower than.

1491
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 4: They're getting now. So I think that's it.

1492
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 6: And even Uber in and of itself, maybe you didn't

1493
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 6: buy a car because Uber was really cheap and easy

1494
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 6: to use and the car that you were in the

1495
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 6: city that you lived in, is that classified as a

1496
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 6: luxury expense or how is that? How are prices going

1497
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 6: up in some of these things that have become really

1498
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 6: baked into the lifestyles of a lot of younger people

1499
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 6: because it was like there that they breathed, It's the

1500
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 6: way that the city worked.

1501
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 4: How was that being classic?

1502
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the car point is a much stronger

1503
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 3: one just from a.

1504
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 5: Food delivery sympathetic perspective, because it's like, yeah, like you

1505
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 5: budgeted the past, it was going to cost you x

1506
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,839
Speaker 5: amount of money to take ubers and so as a result,

1507
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 5: you're like, you know what, there's also subways and buses

1508
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 5: and and I'm going to cobble that together, and I'm

1509
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 5: not going to get a car, So you don't get

1510
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 5: a car. Then the cost of ubers goes through the roof,

1511
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 5: while at the same time, the cost of audio insurance

1512
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 5: and the costs of cars has gone through the roof.

1513
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: So you're kind of stuck either way.

1514
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 5: As a gen xer, I see the food delivery debate,

1515
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 5: and I'm like, come on, you look, get on your bike,

1516
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 5: go walk to the place and pick your own food

1517
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 5: up or cook it home like you can.

1518
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 3: Like there's lots of YouTube videos you can learn. You know,

1519
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 3: you can cook something.

1520
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 4: So I hear you.

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Speaker 5: But but even as somebody with antipathy to that whole position,

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Speaker 5: I recognize that the rug was pulled out from people

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Speaker 5: in the sense that culturally and economically it was dirt

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Speaker 5: cheap to get all this stuff because of the FED. Yes,

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Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden it's not cheap, and

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Speaker 5: you've built your life.

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Speaker 3: So I can I can tisk people.

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Speaker 5: But things did change, yes, yes, and it change up

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Speaker 5: boiling the frog kind of way and just slowly getting

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Speaker 5: more and more expensive, until all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 5: like whoa, Right, this was forty dollars for this bowl,

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Speaker 5: right and then yeah bowl?

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Speaker 6: But come on, and obviously before and after the pandemic

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Speaker 6: some of this is different. But I think the point

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Speaker 6: about Uber is a really really interesting one. And you

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Speaker 6: think about, like, for example, Spotify, I bet that's I

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Speaker 6: bet that's classified as a luxury good. Would they have

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Speaker 6: classified a Wall Street Journal subscription twenty years ago as

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Speaker 6: a luxury good? Because honestly, a lot of people subscribe

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Speaker 6: to Spotify for their playlists, but also because it's probably

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Speaker 6: their primary source of news.

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Speaker 4: Is probably where they.

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Speaker 3: Get the podcast or else you're going to get breaking points.

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Speaker 6: That's right, Well you can get it everywhere that you

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Speaker 6: download your podcast and that you stream your podcast.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 6: But seriously, I mean there's all of these kinds of

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Speaker 6: things that are just different than they were in previous generations.

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Speaker 6: That Spotify is profitable, I believe, but Uber is still

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Speaker 6: not a profitable.

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Speaker 3: Company, which is insane to me. Full of Uber does nothing.

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Speaker 5: Uber has, like Google Maps and like PayPal, laid over

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Speaker 5: each other with a chat app in there, and they

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Speaker 5: don't do anything after that. The driver, you know, buys

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Speaker 5: the car, puts the gas in the car drives the car,

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01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 5: the user connects with the driver. How this middleman can't

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Speaker 5: figure out how to make a profit.

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Speaker 4: They can, they just don't want to.

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Speaker 6: They want to keep writing it out because they can

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Speaker 6: keep getting the money.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's a vicious cycle.

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Speaker 3: Anyway.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, that's enough of us doing the Simpsons meme of

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Speaker 6: old man yelling at cloud.

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Speaker 4: Probably for this wednes there.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 4: Probably.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, make sure to subscribe so that Ryan can continue

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Speaker 6: getting like colored blue suits.

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Speaker 3: Well it's the same one for Lemon. Yeah, should I

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Speaker 3: get one more?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's probably enough.

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Speaker 6: We'll start to gofund me actually instead of a go

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Speaker 6: fod to, just subscribe.

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Speaker 5: To and what you'll get is the debate that we're

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Speaker 5: going to post on Thursday night Friday. If you're not

1578
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 5: a subscriber, it's going to be between Glenn Greenwall and

1579
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 5: Ilia Shapiro arguing the right to protest on campus and

1580
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Speaker 5: everything related.

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01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really excited about that one.

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Speaker 6: You can also get these fun counterpoint counterpoints mugs there

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01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 6: you go on breakingpoints dot com. But make sure, yes, subscribes,

1584
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Speaker 6: you get that Friday show early.

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Speaker 4: We've been having a lot of fun with the Friday show.

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Speaker 5: These are classified by the Wall Street Journal as necessity

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Speaker 5: rather than a luxury.

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Speaker 6: Yes, by Forbes, you mean, how dare you two very

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Speaker 6: different right Forbes Patience. Yes, but we've been having a

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Speaker 6: lot of fun with the Friday shows. We appreciate all

1591
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 6: the feedback, all the support for it. Appreciate Crystal and

1592
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 6: Sire continuing to support the show. Last week's debate got

1593
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 6: some Between the Don Lemon interview, the debate with Destiny

1594
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 6: and Omar, things have been off to hell of a

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Speaker 6: Star at Ryan So been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot more fun planned to.

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Speaker 3: It's been interesting. So I guess we'll see you on Friday.

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Speaker 4: See you then,