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Speaker 1: so what are we gonna talk about. We are going
Speaker 1: to talk about the Spanish flu otherwise known as the
Speaker 1: influenza pandemic of nineteen eighteen. Okay, before you go Russia
Speaker 1: into Wikipedia, let me just tell you what it is
Speaker 1: that the flu, the pandemic was the nineteen eighteen flu
Speaker 1: pandemic actually ran or appeared in about January of nineteen
Speaker 1: eighteen and didn't go away officially until December of nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: So the technically it was around for about two years,
Speaker 1: but it was an unusually deadly strain of influenza. The
Speaker 1: flu is influenza. Did you guys realize that I didn't
Speaker 1: get that flu was influenza until I started doing the research,
Speaker 1: and then I felt kind of super intelligent. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good thing you stumbled upon this topic. Then we
Speaker 1: could have gone all the way through life and not
Speaker 1: known about never known the flu and influenza were the
Speaker 1: same thing. So it was an unusually deadly strain of influenza.
Speaker 1: And it hit the world in basically two major events.
Speaker 1: One around April May of nineteen eighteen, and then again
Speaker 1: it popped up I believe it was around September of
Speaker 1: nineteen Does that does that sound right? Yeah? Okay, which
Speaker 1: is unusual because of flu. Normally, when does the flu
Speaker 1: normally arrive, It's it's early winter. Yeah. Usually people get
Speaker 1: the flu like late fall and then it hangs around
Speaker 1: for winter and almost I mean, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a doctor, but it's my understanding that almost every
Speaker 1: year it's basically a different strand the people get you know,
Speaker 1: people develop an immunity very often. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated every year because it's like a slightly
Speaker 1: different strand because it's always mutating, which you know, it's
Speaker 1: that's what a virus does. Continues to do that well,
Speaker 1: and this one was weird because it showed up in
Speaker 1: the spring and then it showed up before the fall
Speaker 1: would normally have had its normal strains coming through. What
Speaker 1: was really really bad about this, why it's considered a pandemic,
Speaker 1: is that it infected worldwide five hundred million people. So
Speaker 1: many people. It is, especially in those days, in those
Speaker 1: no it well, and it killed three to five of
Speaker 1: the world's population. It was killing up to at its height,
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the people who were infected with it.
Speaker 1: It killed two hundred and and then, Okay, the numbers
Speaker 1: are a little hard to get. For the exact number
Speaker 1: of people that died was nineteen eighteen. Record keeping was
Speaker 1: not at its height as it is today. The numbers
Speaker 1: that I found range from twenty to one hundred million
Speaker 1: people died in that year plus time frame. Influenza then
Speaker 1: you attack on all the millions who were slaughtered in
Speaker 1: the trenches of World War two or World War One,
Speaker 1: which was happening at the exact same time. The human being,
Speaker 1: the human race took a big setback in those really seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean, the world might be a much different place today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge chunk of a generation, of several generations. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: the economic loss and also a certain number of genius
Speaker 1: has probably died, people who would have invented like the
Speaker 1: anti gravity beam or something like. Yeah, and we don't
Speaker 1: have the anti gravity beam today because of this, It's
Speaker 1: considered one of the deadliest natural disasters of human history,
Speaker 1: just because of that sheer volume of people who died. Uh.
Speaker 1: Now we I at least I will continually refer to
Speaker 1: this as the Spanish flu, because that's the name that
Speaker 1: it was dubbed. You said, Joe, well that we were
Speaker 1: in World War One. Okay, what happens during the Middle
Speaker 1: Terry conflict. Well, most governments censored, at least at that time,
Speaker 1: they really censored what news could and couldn't be put out. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: in Spain, because I don't believe they were as involved
Speaker 1: or involved in the war at that time, they weren't
Speaker 1: censoring the news. So they were the first ones to
Speaker 1: report it. So they said, they're what you've got this
Speaker 1: new strain, it's it's people are really sick. People are dying,
Speaker 1: so globally, everybody just started referring to it as the
Speaker 1: Spanish flu because that must be where it came from them.
Speaker 1: Really what I mean? You know, it's great because now
Speaker 1: for Spain forever more is remembered as the place of
Speaker 1: origin of this horrible flu. Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, me too, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and Spain will actually be known for something.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, because they're not really known
Speaker 1: for anything, you know, flamenco and a big chunk of
Speaker 1: the world and the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. You're right. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the other thing that made this such a deadly,
Speaker 1: deadly outbreak is if you've ever seen when we get
Speaker 1: to that time of year when the flu is coming
Speaker 1: out and we get the vaccinations, you know, they start
Speaker 1: saying everybody needs a vaccination. Who were the first people
Speaker 1: that they say should be vaccinated? Old people, on babies
Speaker 1: and children, right, because they are the ones that are
Speaker 1: most likely to be affected because theoretically their immune systems
Speaker 1: aren't developed enough to fight off the infection. What's unusual
Speaker 1: about the Spanish flu is that it's primary target range
Speaker 1: was people between the ages of twenty and forty So
Speaker 1: those were the people who were primarily dying, and the
Speaker 1: young and the elderly were basically spared for a large part.
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't kill them. They get sick, that's
Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, spared, but they get sick, but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't die from it, which is unusual. Actually, ramifications
Speaker 1: if something like that hit us again today with our
Speaker 1: demographics today, we have so many more old people on
Speaker 1: Social Security and a huge shock of young working. These
Speaker 1: people just died off, well, social security is going to collapse.
Speaker 1: That would be yet another social issue that would come
Speaker 1: apart from this. So that is kind of the general
Speaker 1: summation of what the Spanish flu was, Right, Okay, we
Speaker 1: know it's influenza, but we don't know what caused it
Speaker 1: and why it was so bad. It's referred to as
Speaker 1: H one N one, which again, if you've ever listened
Speaker 1: to the news when there's outbreaks of swine flu or
Speaker 1: bird flu, it's it's H one N one or H
Speaker 1: two and one or H five. There's always those those.
Speaker 1: That term is always used, though the numbers change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I mean, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us know, particularly what that pertains to I mean
Speaker 1: some complex chemistry something, but wasn't swine flu? And one
Speaker 1: H one not H one N one. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember which way it goes. It's it's, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, if you understand this, please help us.
Speaker 1: But it is a very complex subject and I had
Speaker 1: a very difficult time getting to the getting it straight
Speaker 1: in my head. But you tried doing a google and like,
Speaker 1: what does H one N one mean? I did broke
Speaker 1: down into very very scientific information and words that were
Speaker 1: so long I couldn't pronounce some. And so it's like,
Speaker 1: but if it's got more than four letters in it,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah. Again, we don't know what caused it and
Speaker 1: what or what caused an end or what made it
Speaker 1: so deadly. So that is today's show. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Spanish flu and theories about what made
Speaker 1: it so bad, and we've got some good ones, not
Speaker 1: just what made it so bad, but where it came from, well,
Speaker 1: where it came from potentially, and and what's the Spanish
Speaker 1: came from the Spanish. Yeah, so let's let's go ahead,
Speaker 1: and now that you know what's happening, let's jump right
Speaker 1: in into some theories. So the first theory that we've
Speaker 1: got isn't the nicest theory in the world, and I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you that in terms of it's from
Speaker 1: a different era ladies and gentlemen, so the terminology isn't
Speaker 1: always the most pc. But the first theory that we've
Speaker 1: got here is that it was caused by migrant workers
Speaker 1: in Portugal and Spain. Remember that we're in nineteen eighteen
Speaker 1: and we have tons and tons of people fighting the war. Well,
Speaker 1: farming still needs to happen. So what happens. You go out,
Speaker 1: you find people who can do the work, and you
Speaker 1: put them on a train, and you bring them to
Speaker 1: your country and you have them do the work, and
Speaker 1: then you put them on a train and you send
Speaker 1: them home. This first theory is that it's It didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily originate because of migrant workers. It may have just
Speaker 1: been a flu, but because of the fact that the
Speaker 1: railroad systems were being used to transport so many people
Speaker 1: back and forth, not just the migrant workers, but also
Speaker 1: soldiers from every country to fight the war, that it
Speaker 1: spread faster than anything that we had ever seen. Because
Speaker 1: of that, and because it's spread so fast, nobody ever
Speaker 1: had a chance to catch up and figure out what
Speaker 1: was going on before it was too late. Plus, normally,
Speaker 1: if something breaks out, let's say in the United States,
Speaker 1: and it's a it's decimating people, it's not likely. At
Speaker 1: that time it didn't as easily go from one area
Speaker 1: to the next because there's not many people going back
Speaker 1: and forth. But now it is, okay. So the my
Speaker 1: only problem with that theory. I think it's a pretty
Speaker 1: good theory, right, you know, we have spread, I agree
Speaker 1: modern science. I think that my biggest problem with that
Speaker 1: in terms of how it spread is that wasn't it
Speaker 1: discovered in multiple different countries basically the exact same time.
Speaker 1: I do, yes, I've seen that at a lot of papers,
Speaker 1: although you know, you know, again that's questionable too, because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it could have been around in like
Speaker 1: one place longer than another place, But the local doctors
Speaker 1: and everybody else just thought, well, it's just people dying,
Speaker 1: you know, people getting sick and dying. Medical science was
Speaker 1: not as exact as it is today. Not that it's
Speaker 1: all that great today either, but uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: so it might have been. And so finally, when people
Speaker 1: started hearing about this global pandemic. Then then they suddenly really,
Speaker 1: you know, there's here's a guy with flu, whereas like
Speaker 1: last year there was there was people keeling over from
Speaker 1: the flu, and they just didn't realize what it was, right,
Speaker 1: So that's a problem. It's also remember that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I was talking about. Why you got dubbed
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu is because of the fact that spoke
Speaker 1: with the Spanish accident. I know. No. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons that it got dubbed the Spanish flu is because
Speaker 1: of the fact that everybody else was censoring the information.
Speaker 1: So it may have been that it was building in
Speaker 1: all of the same areas at the same time or
Speaker 1: different times, but reports of it were being suppressed. So
Speaker 1: there's that option too. Yeah, there's always there's always bad information.
Speaker 1: So it didn't necessarily appear everywhere it once as far
Speaker 1: as we know, we know that it essentially did, but
Speaker 1: we can't say that it hit eighteen places in the
Speaker 1: same day. Yeah, we can't distinctly say that, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: noticed it all over the place at the same time,
Speaker 1: to mean it started all over the place. But globally,
Speaker 1: noticing something is tends to be a slow process. One
Speaker 1: of the things they talked about with the eighteen flu
Speaker 1: is that it took us a startlingly long time to
Speaker 1: make it to Australia. I do. I saw that, which
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of interesting. You know, it didn't
Speaker 1: make it there until nineteen and like February of nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 1: a year, a whole year later. And if you are thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, well, it's just spreading through troops, you know,
Speaker 1: it's spreading like a normal virus. You know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of where that comes into play, because uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that there was definitely there was a lot
Speaker 1: of transference between people, you know, going back and forth
Speaker 1: between Australia. Certainly not a year. I think a year
Speaker 1: warranted between those two. Is there's some kind of disconnect
Speaker 1: for me at least there that it would take a
Speaker 1: whole year for a worldwide pandemic like that to reach
Speaker 1: some place, to reach another, to reach another continent, especially
Speaker 1: a continent that it seems like there was a lot
Speaker 1: of travel happening because they were very involved with the war,
Speaker 1: so you know, there are a lot of soldiers coming
Speaker 1: and going. So if it was just the human human,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, that's just my
Speaker 1: only big question mark over this whole thing. I and
Speaker 1: I agree with that because I've read reports where they
Speaker 1: were quarantining ships if there was any sign of it,
Speaker 1: the ship was quarantined. And this wasn't necessarily Australia, but
Speaker 1: all kinds of ports were doing it. And I've also
Speaker 1: read reports that the ship would leave port and it
Speaker 1: would break out and the entire crew was essentially, you know,
Speaker 1: knocked down with it at one time, which would make
Speaker 1: it really hard to go from from one continent in
Speaker 1: the next. Yeah, if your entire crew was sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the hella in World War two is like
Speaker 1: you know, when you send troops over to Europe, you know,
Speaker 1: you realized it happened, We're going to die before they
Speaker 1: even get there. And that was that. That was really
Speaker 1: a hard thing. So this and this is the other thing, Right,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this little quote, but I've got
Speaker 1: here about this flu. It says it was detected in
Speaker 1: Boston and Bombay on the same day, but took three
Speaker 1: weeks before it reached New York City, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that there was considerable travel between two cities. It was
Speaker 1: present for the first time in Joliet in the in
Speaker 1: the state of Illinois four weeks after it was detected
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and it's like thirty eight miles between the two,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think there are definitely some questions
Speaker 1: in terms of it just being like a normal thing
Speaker 1: that people didn't have a resistance too, that it's spread
Speaker 1: so quickly, and you have certainly, you know, it could
Speaker 1: have mutated and just you know, affected everybody a little differently.
Speaker 1: But the fact that places that are geographically so close
Speaker 1: that people are definitely moving in between consistently, it takes
Speaker 1: weeks or months for that to you know, for it
Speaker 1: to really spread that way. That's my big question mark
Speaker 1: with it just being this like fairly mundane, you know,
Speaker 1: granted was a hardcore strain of influenza, but for it
Speaker 1: to just be like a everybody had it, you know,
Speaker 1: you just caught it from someone type of virus. Well,
Speaker 1: it might have been to the people of New York
Speaker 1: scared it away for a while. The good news is
Speaker 1: Juliet is not a scary place. Having been there multiple times,
Speaker 1: they'd not scared away, and so, you know, and the
Speaker 1: fact that it took three weeks to travel those forty miles,
Speaker 1: but you know, just days to travel internationally. That's my
Speaker 1: big question marks that it's awesome. It doesn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It isn't that up. I don't want to even know
Speaker 1: what the incubation period of it was. I don't I
Speaker 1: believe that it's It's like, it was really quick. It
Speaker 1: was a very rapid I think, a very rapid incubation period.
Speaker 1: So you got exposed and then within a couple of
Speaker 1: days you were in full blown symptoms and then and
Speaker 1: then okay, so that's that quickly. And but then well,
Speaker 1: of course we get that again. These were from nineteen,
Speaker 1: so we could be the guy said, well, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anybody, and I felt fine until yesterday, and then
Speaker 1: suddenly I was sick. And when he may have been
Speaker 1: walking up and down the streets for weeks feeling like crud,
Speaker 1: it just never reported it. Yeah, So I mean, we
Speaker 1: don't know how long they were, so there's no yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no good number. You know. It says it's short,
Speaker 1: short incubation period, which, to be fair, in the flu,
Speaker 1: you know your incubation period and a typical flu is
Speaker 1: maybe a week I think, so you know, a short
Speaker 1: incubation period is likely a couple of days, but I don't.
Speaker 1: All right, what's what's the next one up on the docks.
Speaker 1: Let's see one of the things that we got here.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of stuff here there. There is a theory,
Speaker 1: and I don't wouldn't play as much credence on it
Speaker 1: that it was man made. It's a weapon. So the U. S. Army,
Speaker 1: back to your logical warfare weapon somehow infected U. S.
Speaker 1: Army ranks at Camp Roley, Kansas and there was a
Speaker 1: major breakout there in March nineteen eighteen and spread around
Speaker 1: the world. So it was like an accident of biological
Speaker 1: warfare early experimentation. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so they were
Speaker 1: they were they were working on biological warfare, and which
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense because I mean that really the end thing
Speaker 1: in World War One was chemical warfare, right, that was
Speaker 1: what everybody was into. I mean, this is kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, that was that was what everybody thought was
Speaker 1: just the ships. You know, Well, but think about it,
Speaker 1: if if everybody else is doing chemical warfare and you
Speaker 1: want to get the upper hand, you might set off
Speaker 1: a sect of scientists and say make me the super
Speaker 1: make me something that will kill this these people. And
Speaker 1: to be fair in your own face, sure, and to
Speaker 1: be fair, you know, the United States military is known
Speaker 1: for nothing if not saying, hey, scientists, here's a couple
Speaker 1: million dollars. Do whatever you think will kill the most people.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're pretty good at doing that in America, right, Hey,
Speaker 1: think of something that you think will kill a lot
Speaker 1: of people in a really short amount of time. Here's
Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars. Do some research. But the
Speaker 1: problem is is, like you know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: our our biological science was was advanced enough in those
Speaker 1: days so we could actually, like these days, we can
Speaker 1: do genes, plaicing and all kinds of stuff. We can
Speaker 1: create killer bugs just really easily in the lab. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how if we had the sophistication to
Speaker 1: actually create I mean, we could come up with something
Speaker 1: like anthwer ax. I mean, answer exces around and you
Speaker 1: can bottle up answer ax and dump that on the enemy.
Speaker 1: But as far as inventing a new disease, and I
Speaker 1: have a two worry answer for that happy accident, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, got they got lucky in the
Speaker 1: worst sort of way. Got lucky I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: um vaccines, and that is another one that because basically
Speaker 1: what a vaccine is is mutated. You know, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's mutating a virus to the point where
Speaker 1: it's effective enough that your body attacks at thinking it's
Speaker 1: a virus, but not effective enough to actually give you
Speaker 1: the disease. Right, that's my understanding of it. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not actually scientists or anything. Know, that's my understanding
Speaker 1: of what a vaccine is. So if you can create that,
Speaker 1: which you certainly could in you know, nineteen eighteen, there's
Speaker 1: the potential too. And you know, all it was was
Speaker 1: just a super flu, right, I mean, it's not like
Speaker 1: it was some brand new, state of the art crazy
Speaker 1: thing you know, how to short incubation period. It's spread
Speaker 1: really quickly. But when it came down to it, it
Speaker 1: was just H one N one, which is just influenza. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But again that the problem I have with that is
Speaker 1: that and I'm not saying it's impossible, but what you
Speaker 1: would have to do is isolate some stranger of flu
Speaker 1: and then and then try to, in your own crude
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen way, tweak those things to to make them
Speaker 1: a little different, and then you would have to find
Speaker 1: people to infect with it. I think I think you're
Speaker 1: reading into that too much. I again, I think that
Speaker 1: you're expecting them to have intense to go farther than
Speaker 1: they know how to go. Again, I think that somebody
Speaker 1: might have stumbled upon something. Let me let me read
Speaker 1: you this thing that i've I've got here because Devon
Speaker 1: brought up. I really this one about vaccines I really
Speaker 1: find interesting. And this is an account from or this
Speaker 1: is a excerpt from a book. It's Eleanora McBean. She's
Speaker 1: got a PhD. And she wrote a book Fly Swine
Speaker 1: Flew Exposed. So here's what she says. I've heard seven
Speaker 1: men dropped dead in a doctor's office after being vaccinated.
Speaker 1: This was in an army camp. So I wrote to
Speaker 1: the government for verification. They sent me the report of
Speaker 1: U S. Secretary of War, Henry Stimpson. The report not
Speaker 1: only verified the report of the seven men who dropped
Speaker 1: dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had
Speaker 1: been sixty three deaths and twenty thousand, five five cases
Speaker 1: of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever
Speaker 1: vaccine during only six months of war. Uh that was
Speaker 1: only one of the fourteen to five shots given to
Speaker 1: the soldiers. So she goes on to talk about that,
Speaker 1: you know, it may have been that they vaccinated for something,
Speaker 1: accidentally caused something else, created a new vaccine rapidly for that.
Speaker 1: It turns around and makes something even worse, and then
Speaker 1: we end up with the Spanish flu out of that.
Speaker 1: So okay, wait, the one and forgot what happatitis was
Speaker 1: one of the things that came out right away with
Speaker 1: all these soldiers. Okay, well, okay, to be fair, it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I don't feel like they sterilized real well, you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, probably a short supply so that. But that's
Speaker 1: very interesting that. So the vaccines in those days, you
Speaker 1: don't hear about that, really, right, You don't hear the
Speaker 1: vaccines were causing all of these horrible things. But I
Speaker 1: guess it makes sense. You know, as Joe was saying earlier,
Speaker 1: they you know biology back then, people didn't totally understand
Speaker 1: how to make things. And you know, you say, okay,
Speaker 1: well we can vaccinate against this one thing, but maybe
Speaker 1: you can't. Actually your vaccination causes a bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know, my I don't totally understand entirely how
Speaker 1: vaccines are creative. But my understanding is that generally the
Speaker 1: standard vaccination is you get some of whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you get the flu strain, and then you kill it
Speaker 1: and ject the dead cells in somebody's body, and then
Speaker 1: and then your your immune systems still reacts to those
Speaker 1: dead cells. They do they And I've heard of such
Speaker 1: things as live vaccines, and I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: how those work. If they keep the numbers of actual
Speaker 1: live cells down to such a low count that they
Speaker 1: can't really get your your immune setting is going to
Speaker 1: be able to counteract them before they take off, I
Speaker 1: think that's right. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, well, we'll
Speaker 1: think about it. Though. If they make it, they think
Speaker 1: they've made a vaccine and they accidentally combined some things,
Speaker 1: or if it's dirty needles and so one guy's got
Speaker 1: something and it's not accounted for, it could make some
Speaker 1: rapid change or mutation bringing on multiple things at once
Speaker 1: that creates it. It does sound like it could possibly
Speaker 1: be a cascade event. Sure, although where where's the sport
Speaker 1: that this is? Kansas? So that was definitely not one
Speaker 1: of the first outbreaks reported, was it. No, you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean but the problem is that he's at a
Speaker 1: fort where there are thousands upon thousands of troops all
Speaker 1: housed together. So if they all get exposed inadvertently and
Speaker 1: then shipped off, well, now we've just got the perfect
Speaker 1: you know, mechanism to spread it to average. Sure, sure
Speaker 1: it could be I don't know. Yeah, So our next theory, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of been talking I think it's
Speaker 1: segways really well. We've been talking about you know, human
Speaker 1: error of the nineteen eighteen time that you know, we knew,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think you you look at this,
Speaker 1: you look at history this way all the time, right,
Speaker 1: we knew enough to like do most most damage with it. Right.
Speaker 1: So one of the theory is that it was actually
Speaker 1: um that it helped to raise the numbers of people
Speaker 1: who were attributed to having a Spanish flu, but that
Speaker 1: it was aspirin poisoning. Oh yeah, Because the war is
Speaker 1: going on, so most of the like really great doctors
Speaker 1: have at this point been enlisted and are overseas. So
Speaker 1: most of the people who are treating things are low
Speaker 1: level nurses, interns, you know, medical students, things like that,
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical reps and if you will, uh, pharmacists. Surely, you know,
Speaker 1: in that day and age, you just kind of went
Speaker 1: to your pharmacists. You didn't necessarily have to go to
Speaker 1: your doctor to get a prescription. You just went to
Speaker 1: your pharmacist. That was an actual thing in nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: right before the spike in October, the death spike that
Speaker 1: happened in October um, the US Surgeon General, along with
Speaker 1: the U. S. Navy, and the Journal of American Medical Association,
Speaker 1: recommended the use of aspirin. The recommendation was because of
Speaker 1: a pulmonary edema. It would uh, it was occurring in
Speaker 1: three percent of the population, which is a significant portion
Speaker 1: of the population. So they were suggesting the use of
Speaker 1: aspirin to counteract this. So in the thing that happened
Speaker 1: right before this is that Bear lost its patent on aspirin. Okay,
Speaker 1: So because of that, a lot of aspirin was being
Speaker 1: made and distributed without the proper warning labels on it.
Speaker 1: So there weren't doses or anything like that on there.
Speaker 1: People don't know what the people don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: The Surgeon General says, take aspirin, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just swallow a whole bottle, because the bottle of
Speaker 1: them say, I don't do that, right, It's better than
Speaker 1: dying of a pulmonary embolism or whatever. You know, they say,
Speaker 1: we're going to die of. So there's a quoted a
Speaker 1: lot of chaos happening. Yeah, it's like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen photographs from that time of like Main Street America.
Speaker 1: You know, I see I speaking of chaos, you know,
Speaker 1: like like the funeral parlor's got just dozens of coffins
Speaker 1: step on the sidewalk outside because they were out of room,
Speaker 1: so they had to stash the corpses on the sidewalks.
Speaker 1: It must have seen like the end of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people were really scared of Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I would I would definitely take you know,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of aspirin if I thought that
Speaker 1: would work. But there's a way to figure out if
Speaker 1: that's true or not, and that is to dig up
Speaker 1: some corpses of people who died from the flu and
Speaker 1: just to see if if a representative if like if
Speaker 1: they all had like high levels of aspirin in there. Well,
Speaker 1: but most of them are inbalmed right. Well. The other
Speaker 1: thing is that there are there are accounts of doctors
Speaker 1: giving patients basically handfuls of aspirin at a time, drop,
Speaker 1: you know, pouring as many you know, three, four or
Speaker 1: five into their hand and just giving it. Take this
Speaker 1: and doing that on route, so while taking six of
Speaker 1: eight aspirins at a time every couple of hours. So
Speaker 1: are you guys ready for that? Here are the symptoms
Speaker 1: of aspirin a dose okay death. People with mild intoxication,
Speaker 1: just a mild intoxication of aspirin poisoning would frequently have
Speaker 1: nausea and vomiting, a doominal pain, lethargy, tonitis, and dizziness.
Speaker 1: Does that sound like to you? The flu? So? More
Speaker 1: severe poisoning includes hypothermia, respiratory problems, metabolic problems, hypoglycemia, hallucinations, confusions, seizures,
Speaker 1: um and coma. What does that sound like? That sounds influenza? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it just kills you everything except the fever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But if you're taking aspirin, you don't have fever. Well,
Speaker 1: it could be that, you know, like if you're you've
Speaker 1: got the flu, so you've got flu symptoms. The fluid,
Speaker 1: the flu doesn't kill you, but the aspirin does. Sure,
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of theories surrounding that, right,
Speaker 1: you know that it was just people just saying I'm
Speaker 1: going to take twenty aspirin, or with people saying I
Speaker 1: don't feel great, I'm gonna take some aspirin, taking too
Speaker 1: many aspirins, killing themselves that way, even though they did
Speaker 1: have the flu. So, you know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of really interesting theories in terms of that accidental treatment.
Speaker 1: It's accident, it's it's accidental cures an accidental treatment. And
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that's really interesting I think about
Speaker 1: this is that it was it was mass hysteria because
Speaker 1: everybody was dying. And so when everybody's dying and the
Speaker 1: Surgeon General says, oh, just take some aspirin. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: think the end is nigh. You're gonna take whatever you
Speaker 1: have to and you don't know so but so he
Speaker 1: made his announcement win it was just before the October spike,
Speaker 1: so you can kind of assume that it was probably
Speaker 1: but it wasn't there a previous spike before the aspirin announcement. No,
Speaker 1: there was the initial there was the initial impact in
Speaker 1: about May of that year, and there was there was
Speaker 1: a death toll, but it was nearly as severe as
Speaker 1: the secondary event which happened in the fall, and that's
Speaker 1: just before that event started really picking off again. As
Speaker 1: Devin said it, it can't account for all of it,
Speaker 1: but it does help when oh, I gotta do this,
Speaker 1: then no wonder, your numbers start climbing. Even if it
Speaker 1: was just a fourth, right, even if it's just a
Speaker 1: quarter of the people overdosing on aspirin, that adds so
Speaker 1: many more. But the October spike was that replicated around
Speaker 1: the world that it was globally because remember that was
Speaker 1: when it's the first one was a very mild impact.
Speaker 1: It didn't hit a lot of people. The second event
Speaker 1: is when it's it was suddenly people who hadn't been
Speaker 1: sick before, we're getting sick. And that's when it was
Speaker 1: reaching you know, up to fifty infectivity raids and or
Speaker 1: death rates from infection and just running rampant. So I've
Speaker 1: just found this, this is very fascinating to me. The
Speaker 1: Journal of the American Medical Association, right that was one
Speaker 1: of the groups that was recommending aspirants. They recommend the
Speaker 1: dose they were recommending was one thousand milligrams every three hours,
Speaker 1: which is equivalent to twenty five standard pills every hour today. Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that it's a pretty solid theory that that
Speaker 1: would have helped to add to the numbers. Probably, that's
Speaker 1: a lot. Twenty pills in twenty four hours. It's twice
Speaker 1: the daily dosage, which is considered to be like the
Speaker 1: higher edge of safety. Yes, but it seems like even
Speaker 1: leaving the aspurnt out, it seems like this was still
Speaker 1: an exceptionally deadly flu vis. You know, it was still
Speaker 1: the fluvirus. It was just was it was something that
Speaker 1: was It sounds like, yeah, it sounds like it wasn't
Speaker 1: really the cause of the virus. So let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about this actual virus because you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've touched on this a little bit, right that when
Speaker 1: I boiled down to it, the Spanish flu was just influenza,
Speaker 1: but it was clearly the most deadly version of influenza
Speaker 1: that we've ever encountered, you know, even you know recently everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll remember, or the swine flu recently, which
Speaker 1: you know, of course ended up being way scarier than
Speaker 1: it actually was. But how about deadly stars remember stars? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, these are all strains of the same thing,
Speaker 1: but we should talk a little bit about what makes
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu specifically so interesting or what potentially could
Speaker 1: have made it so deadly. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: biology that made it so deafly. You're absolutely right, and
Speaker 1: and I found some in some research that I think
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And bear with me because this is
Speaker 1: very scientific in the meat of it, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to get through. So we'll do our best
Speaker 1: with this. And if I mispronounced something, I apologize. This
Speaker 1: is why we're letting Steve do it, because my brain
Speaker 1: that's off, So I apologize if. As we've talked about before,
Speaker 1: the span the flu in self typically will focus on
Speaker 1: people who have a compromised immune system. Therefore the younger,
Speaker 1: the old. Well, it's been theorized, and they've actually dug
Speaker 1: up some people who had the Spanish flu to try
Speaker 1: to figure this out, and that's where a number of
Speaker 1: these theories are coming from. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys saw this, but they dug up people who
Speaker 1: had died of the Spanish flu in Alaska and had
Speaker 1: been buried in the permafrost, and so they pulled him
Speaker 1: out and they started a top seeing him, and of
Speaker 1: course some of the bodies were in pork condition and
Speaker 1: they didn't find anything, and someone weren't better than others.
Speaker 1: So there's all this research on. Well, let's see what
Speaker 1: the virus actually did on these preserved corpses. And that's
Speaker 1: where this first theory that I've got comes in is
Speaker 1: that it says that the Spanish flu featured what's referred
Speaker 1: to as a cytokine burst uh, and it happens at
Speaker 1: the site of infection. UH. Cytokines are a special cellular
Speaker 1: signaling molecule in your body. Cytokines happened at the side
Speaker 1: of an infection, and that draws your white blood cells
Speaker 1: to come in and attack whatever the infection is. What
Speaker 1: this says is that there was literally an explosion of
Speaker 1: cytokines at the sites in the lungs where the splue
Speaker 1: the influenza was happening. So therefore your body says, WHOA,
Speaker 1: there is something seriously bad going on here, and I
Speaker 1: am gonna go in and I am going to destroy
Speaker 1: that and it would actually destroy the tissue of the
Speaker 1: lung because it was fighting this area is so bad. Well,
Speaker 1: it's an airborne infection. Which means that a lot of
Speaker 1: your lung is full of this infection. So therefore it's
Speaker 1: you know, you've got these little explosions of cytokines going
Speaker 1: all over, So of course your body goes in and
Speaker 1: just tears it up, destroys your lungs. And when you
Speaker 1: get the flu what happens. You get phlagm and in
Speaker 1: pneumonia you get fluid in the lungs. Well, your your
Speaker 1: lungs are stopped up and therefore they just start filling
Speaker 1: with fluid, and that's what would help kill you from
Speaker 1: this particular one. Your own body actually did some damage
Speaker 1: to itself because of this weird feature of this strain
Speaker 1: of influenza. So that's why you got So this was
Speaker 1: basically a virus that gave you an auto autoimmune disease essentially. Yes,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about. It is like, is it
Speaker 1: possible that the people who died from this already had
Speaker 1: autoimmune disorders? I don't know. I can't say that. All
Speaker 1: I can say is that this research, if if you
Speaker 1: look at it, because we talked about it before, again,
Speaker 1: four year olds were the hardest hit bish flu. Who
Speaker 1: has the strongest immune system, So they have a really
Speaker 1: robust immune system, so this happens and their body just
Speaker 1: goes into massive overdrive to attack the infection and inadvertently
Speaker 1: destroys its own lungs. I've I found this today and
Speaker 1: it's really it's really interesting because that would explain why
Speaker 1: the symptoms came on so fast and people died within
Speaker 1: a matter of hours to days of coming down with it,
Speaker 1: because their body just literally went in and destroyed itself
Speaker 1: and you couldn't breathe and you shut down because of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, yeah, it's really solid. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to say because I've never we've never heard of
Speaker 1: something having a component like that in it before that
Speaker 1: caused such a severe reaction other than you know, as
Speaker 1: you said, to have an autoimmune issues, but those tend
Speaker 1: to not be as severe. Well okay, but beast things
Speaker 1: and things like that, they are. You're right, Actually they
Speaker 1: are really severe. But it's just amazing that a flu
Speaker 1: could cause that master and across a huge number of people,
Speaker 1: because that's the problem. Joe, Okay, Well, if they had
Speaker 1: an autoimmune disease before, the millions and millions and millions
Speaker 1: of people that died couldn't have all had the same
Speaker 1: autoimmune deficiency. Well, there's a lot of different autoimmune deficiencies.
Speaker 1: But now that I think about it, I think that
Speaker 1: autoimmune deficiencies would be represented in all age groups, it's
Speaker 1: not just people. That's also a really high note. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know how much of that
Speaker 1: is because it was a long time ago and couldn't
Speaker 1: diagnose it, you know, but I think autoimmune diseases affect
Speaker 1: like less than five percent of the population these days.
Speaker 1: And maybe it is because the Spanish flew cold all
Speaker 1: of these people, But I think that it's probably more
Speaker 1: realistic to say that, you know, they I am, it's healthier.
Speaker 1: I mean, your body would know. If your body attacks itself,
Speaker 1: it doesn't attack those viruses generally. So I have to
Speaker 1: do a little research into this and find out why,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, because that's not not a good
Speaker 1: immune system. What it tears up your own tissue. It's reacting.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ambian system is a very single minded
Speaker 1: machine and it does what it has to do. But
Speaker 1: this would also explain why the young and the old
Speaker 1: didn't die as easily because they didn't have a strong
Speaker 1: immune system. So their immune system couldn't go as ballistic
Speaker 1: on the infection, so therefore they only suffered mild consequences
Speaker 1: and they healed but and didn't die. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just one theory about why this
Speaker 1: bug was so deadly. What's we've got a number of
Speaker 1: we have a couple, Yeah, we have enough. Another one
Speaker 1: that says that it was a double team of viruses,
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. Um So, there was an autopsy
Speaker 1: of a group of people, you know, I think it
Speaker 1: was like about seventy people or something like that. Um So,
Speaker 1: the autopsy showed that the virus replicated not only in
Speaker 1: the upper rest pratry track, but also the lower respiratory track.
Speaker 1: Um which was really similar to the way that the
Speaker 1: swine flu was behaving. That's one of the things that
Speaker 1: made it so deadly. As opposed to a regular flu.
Speaker 1: The regular flu will usually just incubate either in the
Speaker 1: upper or the lower or it'll move between the two,
Speaker 1: but it won't attack both at the same time. So
Speaker 1: you know, like when you get a cold, the flu,
Speaker 1: right you it's in your head for a while and
Speaker 1: then it moves down, but it's never in the same place.
Speaker 1: Really at once, you know, in the middle sometimes, but
Speaker 1: you know, the typical flu that you get, You get
Speaker 1: your head cold and then you get your chest cold,
Speaker 1: and then that's it. So they found that um, there
Speaker 1: were two virus variants circulating in nineteen eighteen. Um In
Speaker 1: one there was a viral protein that was hemoglobin bound
Speaker 1: to their human receptor cells, which is kind of what
Speaker 1: you're talking about just a few minutes ago, and the
Speaker 1: other one didn't bind to the hemoglobin. So your body
Speaker 1: was trying to attack two different viruses that affected your
Speaker 1: body in two different ways. At the same time. It
Speaker 1: would attack one, it can't attack both, essentially, so you
Speaker 1: were really sick in two different ways. So so essentially
Speaker 1: it's possible that people who caught the flu and didn't
Speaker 1: die just cut one of those variants, and the people
Speaker 1: who died cut both of them. Yes, yeah, yeah. Have
Speaker 1: they done any like serious digging up of corpses trying
Speaker 1: to figure that out? Well, again, that's the hard part.
Speaker 1: You keep asking the same thing, Joe, which is, well,
Speaker 1: let's dig some people up. Really, it was almost a
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, and the only ones that we've found
Speaker 1: were these ones that were buried in the permafrost. There
Speaker 1: have been some discoveries of lung tissue that was in
Speaker 1: some military base in the back of a freezer that
Speaker 1: you know, they meant to look at and they never
Speaker 1: got to and they found it recently. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, there's nothing lest So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they preserve bodies or in pandemics like this, they burned bodies, right,
Speaker 1: they destroy bodies because they're scared that the dead bodies
Speaker 1: will continue. You still need to fix of course. But
Speaker 1: so the theory is is that there were two different
Speaker 1: variants of this virus, and that one bound to your
Speaker 1: hemoglobe and like we were talking about earlier, it bound
Speaker 1: to your white blood cells like major body tack itself,
Speaker 1: and the other had the exact same symptoms except for
Speaker 1: that it didn't actually bind your blood. So there was
Speaker 1: one variant that was highly deadly and another that wasn't,
Speaker 1: or maybe two variants that were not themselves deadly together
Speaker 1: well it was it was it's one it's very deadly.
Speaker 1: Devon's right, it's one's very very is mildly deadly. But
Speaker 1: if you get them bolt in conjunction, then you, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're done for Yeah, although again that doesn't really that's
Speaker 1: that still doesn't explain why people in the group, because
Speaker 1: you would think that, you know, you would think that
Speaker 1: were just to statistically likely to catch both strange if
Speaker 1: you're say ten years old or eighty years old. That's true,
Speaker 1: although I guess the thing that is the factor that
Speaker 1: we haven't really taken into consideration yet is who gets deployed.
Speaker 1: M Right, that's true, traveling the world, constant contact with
Speaker 1: people from everywhere. Yeah, but actually, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this about kids, but they're kind
Speaker 1: of a little disease factors. I happen to know that.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you from my own recent personal
Speaker 1: experiences having dealt with kids a lot recently, I had
Speaker 1: lots of like little sicknesses, right Like I would have
Speaker 1: like a sniffle a week, and they'd be different sniffles.
Speaker 1: But I never got like really sick, whereas like five
Speaker 1: years ago, I would get like really sick maybe twice
Speaker 1: e like maybe twice a year. But when I got sick,
Speaker 1: it was like knocked on your butt, like in bed
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, just miserable sick. So and
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of notice that's with kids is
Speaker 1: and I think older people as well, they're fairly constantly sick,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of just this, like I have a
Speaker 1: post nasal drip thing going on, as opposed to uh. I. Also,
Speaker 1: I also think that with with healthy adults, what do
Speaker 1: we do when we're ill and we got to go
Speaker 1: to work? We go to work, a lot of people
Speaker 1: still just go to work even though they're sick. Okay,
Speaker 1: so kids stay home and old people just say, I'm
Speaker 1: not going up to daymn having chicken soup. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just staying in and I'm gonna stay at a blanket
Speaker 1: and read a book. Whereas the healthy people, O, God,
Speaker 1: I feel terrible, but I gotta go to work. I
Speaker 1: go to work and I'm sick, and I work with Joe,
Speaker 1: and Joe's sick and he's got to go to work.
Speaker 1: And we both got separate strands and we shake hands
Speaker 1: each you know, that morning we both just got done
Speaker 1: wiping our nose with our hand and we shake hands.
Speaker 1: Now we've given each other the and the other strain.
Speaker 1: Actually we've got each other in. Actually I usually blow
Speaker 1: my nose in your coffee. Dude, Why whatever I get
Speaker 1: the free you always get it. But anyway, although you know,
Speaker 1: again that doesn't quite explain it, because the ten year
Speaker 1: old who stayed home from school, he's got a dad
Speaker 1: who's probably an age who goes to the office, gets
Speaker 1: a disease from you know, perfect theory. Perfect. But that's
Speaker 1: why I say it may have been a product of
Speaker 1: the war that was happening, because, yes, in normal circumstances,
Speaker 1: they year old who is the father of the ten
Speaker 1: year old goes to work. In this case, he's offen
Speaker 1: a transition World War World going off to the war
Speaker 1: I got and hasn't seen his ten year old whatever.
Speaker 1: That's another interesting fact to it. I'd like to find
Speaker 1: out about, and I should have found out about that
Speaker 1: before we did the show. But what were the mortality
Speaker 1: rates between say, our troops and civilians back home? She's
Speaker 1: the same. Actually, it really didn't differentiate where you were
Speaker 1: the death tolls in the country, regardless of your country
Speaker 1: of origin, where you were, your death toll from the
Speaker 1: Spanish flu was about the same all across the board.
Speaker 1: The debunking heart theories, well, no, here's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1: This is just a random factoid about it. There was
Speaker 1: only one place in the entire world that reported no deaths.
Speaker 1: American Samoa they shut their borders down as soon as
Speaker 1: word about the Spanish flu came out and they didn't
Speaker 1: get it. Japan basically shut their borders down and had
Speaker 1: a very small outbreak, and there was one other country
Speaker 1: that did the same thing. Basically, whoa, there's this really
Speaker 1: bad flu going on. Nobody's coming in, Everybody stay away,
Speaker 1: and they had very minimal rates of infection. I mean,
Speaker 1: Americans had no death, but the restaurant had very low
Speaker 1: numbers of death, so it might have been the weaker
Speaker 1: of the strains got in, but he didn't kill anybody
Speaker 1: because his big brother wasn't there to support. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's a good one. But there's also
Speaker 1: you got another one. And this one is actually, I think,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of incredible, and that is uh the
Speaker 1: curriculous physician um Sir John Crofton actually positive the theory
Speaker 1: that it was bacteria, not the flu virus itself though
Speaker 1: that was actually at the root of the big pandemic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasteria bacteria. So it's not just not just virus,
Speaker 1: but virus and bacteria. So the bacteria is the hema, fellists,
Speaker 1: And I apologize if I murdered. The pronunciation influenza, he
Speaker 1: claimed was at the really great pandemic. He said it
Speaker 1: was bacteria started the epidemic. During the pandemic, apparently one
Speaker 1: third of patients who had this particularly influenza were also
Speaker 1: found to have tuberculosis and they were most likely other
Speaker 1: cases that when I went undiagnosed. That's right. Tuberriculosis was
Speaker 1: terrible at that time. Yeah, it was a big thing.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, that was actually my my grandfather
Speaker 1: had tuberculosis was as well, after the whole Spanish flu thing.
Speaker 1: But he yeah, they were actually they were actually going
Speaker 1: to lock him up, and yeah, he agreed to move
Speaker 1: out to the desert. He lived in southern California at
Speaker 1: the time, so he agreed to move back to the
Speaker 1: desert and basically placed himself, you know, under house, self
Speaker 1: and quarantine and the quarantine. He basically didn't leave the
Speaker 1: house for a year or something like that. And his
Speaker 1: alternative was to go into an asylum where they had
Speaker 1: which is what they did with people with TV back
Speaker 1: in those days. Oh, I know that, I know in
Speaker 1: my family there's talk of my grandmother talked about her aunt,
Speaker 1: which would be what my great great aunt. Is that
Speaker 1: how that would that their grandmother? It was my grandmother's
Speaker 1: aunt that they never could figure out what was wrong
Speaker 1: with her. And years later the family was just sitting
Speaker 1: around talking that go we figured I don't remember what
Speaker 1: her name was, but aunt whoever probably had TV and
Speaker 1: they just never figured it out in time. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: TV was a terrible it was it was a it
Speaker 1: was another essentially pandemic of its own rampants through the population,
Speaker 1: very serious stuff. And yeah, and you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the civil rights weren't quite what they were in those
Speaker 1: days as they are today, so you got that it
Speaker 1: was not there was no problem off for them to
Speaker 1: grab you and just stuff you with an asylum or
Speaker 1: an institution somewhere. So help me, help me out here, Joe,
Speaker 1: because my memory is failing me at the moment. Is
Speaker 1: do you remember what what exactly do this tuberculosis due
Speaker 1: to you? Do you remember? Suburriculosis basically attacked you along
Speaker 1: um and it is a very deadly disease. It's actually
Speaker 1: got among mostly most people have stays kind of latent,
Speaker 1: but among people that have severely effects, he had killed
Speaker 1: about half of them. Yeah, so it's like, let me
Speaker 1: put that. Yeah, most infections of what they call a
Speaker 1: asymptomatic and latent, but about one and ten latent infections
Speaker 1: eventually progresses to an active disease, which have left untreated
Speaker 1: kills more than of the infected people. So it's in
Speaker 1: the lungs. So we did a lung disease. Yeah. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: they back in the day, they used to use cigarettes
Speaker 1: of all things, to to actually inhibit It's kind of
Speaker 1: like the chemotherapy of a stay. I saw. I saw
Speaker 1: it actually an old and old photograph of people that
Speaker 1: were in some asylum in California that were there were
Speaker 1: and they were all smoking because that was one of
Speaker 1: the prescribed things. It would describe people like lucky strikes.
Speaker 1: He had that you like, light up Lucky. You're kidding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would actually, they would actually make all the patients
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes because apparently that inhabited the growth of the bacteria.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, geez, well, hey, the marvel of modern medicine. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good reason. It's because if if,
Speaker 1: if inact, if tobacco is inhibiting the growth of curriculosis bacteria,
Speaker 1: it's probably inhibiting other bacterial growth in your lungs too,
Speaker 1: So obviously tobacco was a good thing. Well you know what,
Speaker 1: everybody they got influenza then should have just smoked lucky
Speaker 1: strikes and called it good, the bold smooth tape. So
Speaker 1: suberculosis is just an infection of the lungs, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a serious so obviously bad thing. But yeah
Speaker 1: it's I could see where you know, something like the
Speaker 1: sefuriacys infected with a virus or two viruses as in
Speaker 1: your previous series, and it might and and tuberculous is
Speaker 1: what's much more rampant back in than it is today. Uh,
Speaker 1: it might open the door for some sort of tuberculosis infection,
Speaker 1: which could be the actual killer. So this theory is
Speaker 1: that it's just bad luck. Yeah, well obviously, well they've
Speaker 1: got a little bit of tuberculosis in there, but enough
Speaker 1: that not enough that their body can't fight it off,
Speaker 1: is what it sounds like. And then the influenza hits.
Speaker 1: Your body is trying to again, just like you know,
Speaker 1: the double virus, You're trying to fight both at once,
Speaker 1: and then they just hit you all at once. They
Speaker 1: tag team. Yeah, like like like I was just saying,
Speaker 1: most tuberculosis is what they called latent asymptomatic. And then
Speaker 1: but then say these things come along and doom. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the beast is unleashed, you know. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's entirely possible if that's what happened and that but
Speaker 1: that's good news for us in our present day because
Speaker 1: pretty well we haven't completely stamped out TV. It does again,
Speaker 1: we're pretty good at it. Yeah, it's a lot less prevalent.
Speaker 1: I would say that it's entirely possible that there are
Speaker 1: millions of people I'm talking probable millions of people were
Speaker 1: walking around with latent cases of TV back in the back.
Speaker 1: Probably not happening today. Probably not. TV police got the
Speaker 1: TV police, t V persecuted that they So I guess
Speaker 1: the my favorite theory yeah, so I was, I don't
Speaker 1: I know you've been pacause it really is where did
Speaker 1: this come from? So, I mean that is right. It's
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is um a big old mutation of
Speaker 1: fairly normal virus. Right, and so the big question is
Speaker 1: where did this come from? And my favorite theory is
Speaker 1: base the final frontier. Yeah. So there's ah, this really
Speaker 1: great theory that basically says that, uh, every big epidemic
Speaker 1: that we've ever had as a human race has been
Speaker 1: follow or has followed very closely. Comment Oh I saw so, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta break this down from because I tried to.
Speaker 1: I tried to do a little bit on this, but
Speaker 1: I got lost. Well, I got stuck. So we got
Speaker 1: opposites because you got stuck in science or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened. But so there's a really interesting
Speaker 1: pattern of human pandemics, uh, in the last you know,
Speaker 1: like thousands and millions of years. UM. It's a really
Speaker 1: interesting pattern that we follow. So the first one that
Speaker 1: I could find record of was the Great Plague of Athens,
Speaker 1: which was in UM for thirty BC. UM. It was localized, uh,
Speaker 1: and it could have had a local source, but that
Speaker 1: was never discovered. And right before that we passed through
Speaker 1: a comics trail as Earth Earth passed through a comets trail,
Speaker 1: so like within a year of that pandemic happening. And
Speaker 1: then the next one was in the first century a
Speaker 1: d UM and a Greek physician was referring to an
Speaker 1: outbreak in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. UM it was most
Speaker 1: likely the bubonic plague. Let's be fair, which is you know,
Speaker 1: spread by fleas and rodents. But right before then, again,
Speaker 1: we had passed through a commets trail within the last
Speaker 1: two years I think it was UM half a millennia
Speaker 1: later in UM for five forty one a d UM,
Speaker 1: they called it a scourge. At that point it was
Speaker 1: again the bubonic plague. They kept recurring, but it was
Speaker 1: different strands and more horrible strands every single time. UM
Speaker 1: in constant snople. And they're all bacterial diseases that are
Speaker 1: spread by infected fleas. So it's not likely that it
Speaker 1: was just like it went away and then came back,
Speaker 1: and went away and came back. It wasn't just like
Speaker 1: storm sleeve just you know, suddenly the sleeves weren't biting anymore,
Speaker 1: and then years later they started biting again. I would
Speaker 1: like it if fleas would stop biting for years. You
Speaker 1: would make so much better because they always go for me.
Speaker 1: Stop stop like right now, and pop up again like
Speaker 1: long after my death. That's cool. Yeah yeah, So uh.
Speaker 1: The babonic plague is resistant to freezing, which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: It's also radiation resistant, which is also pretty interesting. So
Speaker 1: what does that mean for us? It means that the
Speaker 1: best place for it to incubate is space or the
Speaker 1: upper atmosphere. So the theory is is that there. I
Speaker 1: guess there are two theories. Um, I think we look
Speaker 1: a little bit about this. You know, you got to
Speaker 1: do just a tiny bit of research on it. You know,
Speaker 1: I understood it that the bacteria and viruses live up
Speaker 1: in the upper atmosphere and they're constantly bombarded by solar radiation,
Speaker 1: which would cause all of these viruses and bacterium to
Speaker 1: mutate in two weird versions of themselves. So the theory
Speaker 1: that I understood is that they are there. It's just
Speaker 1: constantly up there. So every once in a while we
Speaker 1: passed through the tail of a comet which causes meteor showers,
Speaker 1: which is just rocks falling from the sky into our
Speaker 1: atmosphere all the way to the ground, which brings these
Speaker 1: bacterias and viruses back down to the ground. So it
Speaker 1: would explain why they are the same thing quote unquote,
Speaker 1: but they're different strands and more mutated strands of these things.
Speaker 1: Let me let me just ask just so I understand
Speaker 1: point of order here. So you're saying their air currents
Speaker 1: are keeping them in the upper atmosphere, winds they can't
Speaker 1: drift down because of the wind, so they're just constantly
Speaker 1: swirling up there. We've got a little death cloud, and
Speaker 1: then a meteor comes swooshing through the atmosphere and creates
Speaker 1: essentially enough turbulence and causes a tail to suck that
Speaker 1: stuff down behind it. That's one of the theories. The
Speaker 1: other theory is that they become negatively charged, because so
Speaker 1: like the Aurora borealis, for instance, is basically negatively charged
Speaker 1: dust particles from Earth going up into the atmosphere. So
Speaker 1: the other theory is that maybe these are becoming the
Speaker 1: viruses and bacteria are becoming negatively charged. I don't I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, I don't totally understand that theory. So
Speaker 1: that the scientists, so they attract death, they just chill
Speaker 1: out in the air, and then something coming through their
Speaker 1: again positively charges them and allows them to come back through.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's really could that they would eventually
Speaker 1: just settle out through sheer gravity to have some mass.
Speaker 1: So the thing that's really interesting with this, I think
Speaker 1: is that um in a lot of plagues that we've
Speaker 1: had as a civilization, people talk about them being spread
Speaker 1: through flying animals of some kind yeah, so through birds, yeah,
Speaker 1: through birds, or through fleas or pigs, pigs who fly um.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's a really interesting facet to this
Speaker 1: theory is that things that are closer up in the
Speaker 1: higher atmosphere get it first and spread it to humans. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can see that, yeah, because I know that what
Speaker 1: was it the bird flu of two thousand nine or something,
Speaker 1: and it was it was blamed on waterfowl then spreading
Speaker 1: the infection to chickens in China, who then you know,
Speaker 1: then ran rampant through them until they were all destroyed
Speaker 1: and a few people got it. But okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: can run with that. So the way that this kind
Speaker 1: of ties back into what we're talking about, right, because
Speaker 1: we don't want to just talk like amorphously about bacterian
Speaker 1: viruses live in the sky. That's a scary thought, right,
Speaker 1: and I could just do that, could just drop down
Speaker 1: an old time they just dropped down whenever. So the
Speaker 1: idea is a combination of One of the theories I
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, is that it's a combination of
Speaker 1: two viruses, but it's different in that the idea is
Speaker 1: that it was a new viral strain that transferred its
Speaker 1: genes to an old viral strain which already existed within
Speaker 1: the human genome or whatever, and created a really deadly hybrid.
Speaker 1: Because the thing that you think about with viruses and
Speaker 1: bacteria is that its point is to not kill you.
Speaker 1: The perfect virus, you won't even be affected by it all.
Speaker 1: So every virus that makes you stick is a mutation
Speaker 1: of some kind because they want to keep you alive,
Speaker 1: because if you die, it dies right right. So it
Speaker 1: was the theory that there was a new viral strain
Speaker 1: that had been horribly mutated up in the atmosphere and
Speaker 1: came down and basically mixed with one that was down
Speaker 1: here already, which is pretty interesting theory. It's a little,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, and it seems a little far fetched,
Speaker 1: but okay, But anyway, there is there more to to this.
Speaker 1: This this goes on, I can I'm judging by the
Speaker 1: tone that you're flipping through that this this theory gets
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper and more and more twisted. So in
Speaker 1: n do you know what happened in nineteen ten com
Speaker 1: Hayley's comment, that's the thing they talked about is that
Speaker 1: it took seven years for the Spanish flu to come
Speaker 1: through then, so I was the original theory people were
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh it is Hayley's comment blah blah. So
Speaker 1: there's no like really great cause causation between them because
Speaker 1: of seven years apart. Right, But there is this comment
Speaker 1: called comment anche uh that had extremely close approaches to
Speaker 1: Earth um both in n O eight and then again
Speaker 1: in fourteen UM and we passed through its tail in okay,
Speaker 1: so we we went through its tail three times in
Speaker 1: ten years. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't think we hit
Speaker 1: comments that frequent. Well, so what happens in the comments? Right?
Speaker 1: Did they get stuck in our but for a little while.
Speaker 1: What happens is that if the if the comment, if
Speaker 1: the order of the comment is in the ecliptic, and
Speaker 1: you know what the ecliptic is, okay, ecliptic. The ecliptic
Speaker 1: is the plane of the when the Sun formed, it
Speaker 1: basically it created as a disc, compress it compressed down
Speaker 1: and it turned into a spinning disk and then eventually
Speaker 1: compressed itself into a Sun. And there were body products.
Speaker 1: There was some stuff left behind out there in this
Speaker 1: disk in the outer fringes, which consolidated itself further into planets.
Speaker 1: When you see the map of the planet, it looks
Speaker 1: like a series of frisbees around the Sun. Exactly. We're
Speaker 1: more or less the planets are more or less in
Speaker 1: the same plane, and so and so. The the actual
Speaker 1: plane formed by the Earth's orbit is what's called the ecliptic,
Speaker 1: and so it's other ecliptics. So if a coll it
Speaker 1: happens to be in more or less in the ecliptic.
Speaker 1: In other words, if it comes in, crosses orbit, goes
Speaker 1: around the Sun, goes back out, crossing orbit again. If
Speaker 1: that plane of bits orbit is the same the same
Speaker 1: as the plane of our orbit, then we will cross
Speaker 1: the will cross that path every year. Okay, okay, and
Speaker 1: that's what meteor showers. That's why we can predict meteor showers,
Speaker 1: because we know there's a bunch of cosmic crap out
Speaker 1: there in our orbital path that we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: cross through every year. I always wondered how that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense, all right, continue on show. Is
Speaker 1: the common expert is combined, we will be able to
Speaker 1: explain this. Um. So one of the things they talked
Speaker 1: about a lot when I was doing this research was
Speaker 1: that the way that the Spanish flu spread was really weird.
Speaker 1: We've spent a lot of time talking this episode about that. Um,
Speaker 1: there are some islands in the mid Atlantic that definitely escaped,
Speaker 1: as you were saying, But my research brought up that
Speaker 1: they didn't close the borders and there was shipping that
Speaker 1: happened in between those places to some of them. To
Speaker 1: some of them, there was shipping that happened, but they
Speaker 1: still remain death and flu free. So that I think
Speaker 1: was very interesting, observed good quarantine procedures to you know,
Speaker 1: that's certainly true, and you know, again this is all
Speaker 1: conjecture basically. Yeah, there's been so many rehashes of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. Then there was the as I said before,
Speaker 1: the weird delay of it hitting Australia. And one of
Speaker 1: the things they talked about is that when you analyze
Speaker 1: the upper atmospheric patterns of nineteen eighteen, the flu very
Speaker 1: closely followed that pattern. So where the places that people
Speaker 1: were hit really hard were places that the upper atmosphere
Speaker 1: was more densely happening. Does that make sense, We're definitely
Speaker 1: happenings happening. It's like weather patterns. You have low the
Speaker 1: low atmospheric weather patterns and you you're high atmospheric more
Speaker 1: high atmosphere weather stuff happening. Yeah, there area, So it
Speaker 1: was it was basically just like falling from the sky
Speaker 1: along the jet stream. So that's very interesting as well.
Speaker 1: All right, so I okay, So the so the pattern
Speaker 1: that it followed was not just the way that a
Speaker 1: disease goes through the air, an airborne disease goes, which
Speaker 1: is person just a person to person. It didn't follow
Speaker 1: precisely that pattern. It more accurately followed the jet stream
Speaker 1: and upper atmospheric weather patterns, which is very interesting as well.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's I wouldn't have thought. I don't
Speaker 1: remember seeing that anywhere, So that's okay. So the other
Speaker 1: thing that was really interesting is that in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, this comment was struck by a massive material
Speaker 1: uh from our sun. It was back in our solar
Speaker 1: system again again. Yes, was struck by a little bit
Speaker 1: of our sun, a little solar flare, and it broke
Speaker 1: off some of the comets tail and we went through
Speaker 1: it again in early June or early July, late June
Speaker 1: um of two thousand seven. And so do you remember
Speaker 1: what happened? Two thousand seven. Let's see, I was working
Speaker 1: at the grocery store. The good news is you're not
Speaker 1: forgetting anything. But in two thousand nine what happened there
Speaker 1: was another way. Okay, you know, I think it's really
Speaker 1: interesting that every time we passed through this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: there's definitely an incubation period, but we passed through this
Speaker 1: tail and we get a new virus, get a new pandemic.
Speaker 1: You just swine flu. We passed through in two thousand nine, again,
Speaker 1: swine flu happened. Adocate, I need to understand. So, Okay,
Speaker 1: this theory is postulating that there is biological material in
Speaker 1: the tail of a comment. So my question is how
Speaker 1: does that live? Because everything I can understand is that
Speaker 1: things don't live in space. Well, they don't have they
Speaker 1: are unaffected by freezing. Thought. I said that I might
Speaker 1: have not plague, but I didn't. I didn't. So and
Speaker 1: one H one is also or H one and one
Speaker 1: is also resistant to freezing and resistant to radiation. Oh,
Speaker 1: the ice particles that make up the comment. Okay, that
Speaker 1: seems to be the theory. So then they're My understanding
Speaker 1: of it is that these are viruses that just kind
Speaker 1: of chill in our up their atmosphere. But there also
Speaker 1: seems to be a theory that they are in fact
Speaker 1: held within these comments, which is also really an interesting theory.
Speaker 1: You know, I got really sucked up into that theory.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of information on it then, you know,
Speaker 1: just plagues of all of the past. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of an interesting theory that
Speaker 1: how had some good evidence, you know, whether or not
Speaker 1: I necessarily believe that it's totally accurate. Okay, So this this,
Speaker 1: this brings up a good question, and I know that,
Speaker 1: you know, you said, I know when we were talking
Speaker 1: before we started recording, you were talking about having done
Speaker 1: the research on comets. Um, So if there's biological material
Speaker 1: in the comments, then it had to come from somewhere.
Speaker 1: Where does the comet come from? And where's the biological
Speaker 1: material come from? That's like, that is the big scary question,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like, now, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about comets bringing life to the planet and bringing
Speaker 1: all the water to the planet everything else. So where
Speaker 1: the hell did the comments come from, you know, and
Speaker 1: where did that life on the comments come from? There's
Speaker 1: only one possible explanation, and that is aliens. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you're laughing. But now actually that that doesn't that doesn't
Speaker 1: resolve it obviously, because the aliens had to come from
Speaker 1: somewhere too, because the way, and that's something we'll never
Speaker 1: probably understand. It's where the hell life originated in the universe.
Speaker 1: And you know the pan spermia ideas that it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Life is everywhere. It's being sort of passed around and
Speaker 1: distributed all over the place by comets and meteoroids and
Speaker 1: everything else. My theory about comets is that my theory
Speaker 1: about comets is that essentially comets are just kind of
Speaker 1: like kind of like minds that are sent through the planet.
Speaker 1: That's that's sent through our solar system by by some aliens.
Speaker 1: They've been manufactured. They put them an orbit around the Sun.
Speaker 1: They go around us. There's suspiciously many of them that
Speaker 1: are in the ecliptic, so that means we cross their paths.
Speaker 1: So when they come in, they rock it around the
Speaker 1: Sun quickly, leave a lot of debree behind, and then
Speaker 1: they go way way out there to what's called the
Speaker 1: Ords cloud, way far away, and they come back like
Speaker 1: a hundred years later. So way out there we can't
Speaker 1: see what's going on out there, but I'm suspecting that
Speaker 1: they meet up with an alien starship which loads them
Speaker 1: up with all kinds of new deadly bugs, and then
Speaker 1: they start their journey back in there you go, we
Speaker 1: solve the mystery, so you laugh, But he's actually got
Speaker 1: some good material and they're one of the interesting the
Speaker 1: interesting things to think about is, as I said, the
Speaker 1: point of a virus is to keep you alive. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like going to enhance your health, but it's
Speaker 1: not supposed to hurt it. So you know, it's this
Speaker 1: big question of where did these viruses and bacterias evolve
Speaker 1: in what you know, what scenario or what living being,
Speaker 1: because that's generally where these things incubate in living beings.
Speaker 1: Did this incubate and it said, oh no, this is great.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not killing it, I'm not hurting it,
Speaker 1: but I'm living in it. And then it got cast
Speaker 1: off onto this comment for whatever reason, the comma comes around,
Speaker 1: discards it, and it comes down and just like kills
Speaker 1: millions of human beings because it's not I guess calibrated
Speaker 1: would be a term to use to a human biology.
Speaker 1: So am I gonna say alien. No, but I think
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thought for sure. You know, this is
Speaker 1: great and I think that the first time we talked
Speaker 1: about this story, I said that this really sounded familiar
Speaker 1: to me for a while when we first started doing this,
Speaker 1: and I know that there have been some talk of
Speaker 1: this is do you guys remember I told you there's
Speaker 1: a there's a book out there by a guy named
Speaker 1: Scott Sigler that's called Pandemic and it deals with aliens
Speaker 1: who distribute some kind of virus through the atmosphere. Too
Speaker 1: then you know, reproduce and there's all these things that
Speaker 1: happened and obviously not give away the plub but it's
Speaker 1: it's a very very similar storyline to what we've just
Speaker 1: talked about in the last fifteen minutes. Anyway, now now anyway, um, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. I mean, and I think about it.
Speaker 1: If you're an alien you want to come down and
Speaker 1: calling as the planet, want to do a little bio well,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's you we're making lights saying it's
Speaker 1: nefarious aliens, but Devin, you you were explaining to me
Speaker 1: where comments come from, and yeah, and what what is
Speaker 1: that again? So I still those comment happens from a collision, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, most meteors of any size or asteroids of
Speaker 1: any size come from a planet disintegrating. Some of them
Speaker 1: are left over from the dawn of the universe shore,
Speaker 1: but most of the time it's you know, a planet
Speaker 1: for whatever reason has just disintegrated and all of the
Speaker 1: little bits shoot off into all millions of different directions.
Speaker 1: And it turns out there are a lot of water worlds,
Speaker 1: not in our Solar system obviously, but in our galaxy
Speaker 1: and in our universe. The one where he drinks his
Speaker 1: own p Yes, no, it's not those guys. Maybe it is,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there are worlds that are just
Speaker 1: mostly made of water. And the theory is is that
Speaker 1: if an asteroid large enough hits this thing, it basically
Speaker 1: splashes a lot of water into space, which I understand
Speaker 1: is like physics. Maybe okay, there's some problems there, but
Speaker 1: if it's big enough, it'll splash some water, essentially splash
Speaker 1: water into space, and all of the water like molecules
Speaker 1: cling together, as everybody knows, so all the water kind
Speaker 1: of like comes together and freezes into this thing and
Speaker 1: shoot off into different direction and that's essentially where a
Speaker 1: comet comes from, one of the many different ways. But
Speaker 1: that's one of the big theories, is that it's basically
Speaker 1: just water from this like alien world that's just been
Speaker 1: splashed into space. Well, and and I I know, I swear,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I've I've learned this, But isn't
Speaker 1: it the tail of a comet? We all, you know,
Speaker 1: associated comet is having a tail, but the tail is
Speaker 1: not always there. It's only when the comet comes into
Speaker 1: a certain amount of heat and radiation that first melt
Speaker 1: and that that melt or that that melt off is
Speaker 1: what becomes the tail. And then the solar wind forces
Speaker 1: it away from away from the Sun, which is why
Speaker 1: you know what it's coming towards the Sun. When the
Speaker 1: tail is as the smallest, it's kind of like a tail.
Speaker 1: When it's gone around the Sun and heading back, the
Speaker 1: tail is actually in front of it. Yeah, yeah, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So they and they Actually the Earth is kind of
Speaker 1: in like a sweet spot of like it's melted enough
Speaker 1: to be a tail, but not so melted that you
Speaker 1: can't see it entering our atmosphere, which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Earth isn't a lot of sweet spots.
Speaker 1: Science is weird. I think the thing I'm actually really
Speaker 1: interested in that I came up when I was in
Speaker 1: my comment hole was that I found out that there's
Speaker 1: a comment, like a big old comment coming for us
Speaker 1: really soon. It's in the I'm sorry, how did you
Speaker 1: pronounce it? The cloud cloud? Yeah, in there right now? Well, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's the warthe cloud as far away. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's like do here. Are you talking about the one
Speaker 1: that's do here at the end of this year? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's nice. No, it's it's headed this way already,
Speaker 1: I mean, because yours cloud is like way I'll beyond Pluto.
Speaker 1: Was there maybe was when this report was written. I
Speaker 1: don't know where it is now. It's probably passed the
Speaker 1: yever to mars by now. Well, so the thing is
Speaker 1: is that it's supposed to be at its brightest in
Speaker 1: like really late November early December of this year. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna order some clear sky apparently, um, it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be within binocular view, like within the next month, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to see it with binoculars. It's
Speaker 1: that big and at its height, which is this like
Speaker 1: late November, early December area. It's it's going to be
Speaker 1: in the sky and it's going to be brighter than
Speaker 1: a full moon would be. That's going to be pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: It's maybe the biggest comment that we've ever encountered. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna it's gonna pass close enough for us to
Speaker 1: see it, but it's not going to pass close enough
Speaker 1: for us to like have kind of fear that it
Speaker 1: will collide or that it will have any kind all
Speaker 1: we gotta worry about. It's like dying horribly from something sonically,
Speaker 1: don't you know. We don't have to do that. But
Speaker 1: it'll be visible. It's always the rock for like four
Speaker 1: or five months to the naked eye, ye, all the way,
Speaker 1: all the way until July. So I've got to tell
Speaker 1: you I'm looking forward to this, I really am, because
Speaker 1: you know, the return of Haley's comment was kind of
Speaker 1: a letdown, and and then there was Cohotech, which also
Speaker 1: is a big, big letdown. Yeah, I know, And so
Speaker 1: I hope this one really turns out to live up
Speaker 1: to us. And saw Haley's comment, I remember when I
Speaker 1: was like ten Oral Levin and that was and for me,
Speaker 1: it was my first comment that I had ever really seen,
Speaker 1: and that was it was really awesome because we went
Speaker 1: up to Mount Hood and we were up camping and
Speaker 1: it was awesome. But this I'm really excited about. I'm
Speaker 1: also really interested to see if some of these scientists,
Speaker 1: because the people who have been doing research on this
Speaker 1: comment theory are by large real scientists, if they are
Speaker 1: going to take advantage of this and try and get
Speaker 1: any kind of data from it, because it's it is
Speaker 1: the biggest one and it's not one we've particularly encountered before.
Speaker 1: There has been talk. I don't know if they have
Speaker 1: enough time to I don't know if there's plans to
Speaker 1: send a probe out to this one, but they have
Speaker 1: been taught. They's been talking about sending a probe out
Speaker 1: to a comment and actually I think I think NASA
Speaker 1: is working on that. It would be interesting. NASA is
Speaker 1: also working on it. Just saw something recently figuring out there.
Speaker 1: Actually a lot of companies are now figuring out and
Speaker 1: wanting to mind the asteroids. Mind the asteroids They're they're
Speaker 1: putting they're starting to put up money to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do it. So I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 1: we're going to start you know, pulling in giant space
Speaker 1: bad mitten nets to catch a coughing it. It's a
Speaker 1: space bad as technical as a gas. Yeah, so it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to that, you know. I think it'd be great.
Speaker 1: We could capture, capture some asteroids, some fairly decent ones,
Speaker 1: you know, and nudgement. It'll be a lot process, but
Speaker 1: to basically nudge them in to Earth or a bit
Speaker 1: and then mind them, haulow them out on the inside
Speaker 1: and using using attached rockets, you put a spin on
Speaker 1: them to generate artificial gravity. So and then you play
Speaker 1: space tennis. No, and then you have people living inside him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can. You can totally turn these things into habitats.
Speaker 1: Freaking awesome. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: ask if that's our I was about to say, we've
Speaker 1: been off topics for a kind of ben Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: then my sci fi nerd mode here I like to
Speaker 1: talk about Yeah. No, No, that's the that's all of
Speaker 1: the theories that I know about. You guys have any
Speaker 1: others as far as the origins of the Spanish flu Yes,
Speaker 1: the freaking Spanish that's the last one I've got. Well,
Speaker 1: if that's all of it, and that's all. We've got
Speaker 1: ladies in gentile and I hope you enjoyed today's show.
Speaker 1: Oh this is a little different for us. We haven't
Speaker 1: done this before, so yeah, usually we saw mysteries. Today
Speaker 1: I think we created more than we saw. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: might have. But you know, if you like this and
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it, please let us know. You can let
Speaker 1: us know you or if you've got theories of your
Speaker 1: own or other research you want to tell us about,
Speaker 1: go ahead and send us an email. You can email
Speaker 1: us at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Uh.
Speaker 1: There is a lot, a lot of research material out there,
Speaker 1: and we have so many links there's no way I
Speaker 1: can we can put them all on the site. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna put up a good number of them. But
Speaker 1: if you want to find some of the research material
Speaker 1: that we use, you can find it right on our
Speaker 1: website that as always is at Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.
Speaker 1: And with that, uh, I just want to you know,
Speaker 1: a little shout out here, a little, a little, a
Speaker 1: little please for all of you. I'm sure our listeners
Speaker 1: we have hundreds, if not thousands of scientists who are
Speaker 1: actually investigating stuff like this, So please call email whatever
Speaker 1: and tell us what your thoughts are. Yeah. No, I'd
Speaker 1: love to know because this one, this one is kind
Speaker 1: of a sticky mess, a big gooeys. Yeah, let me mess,
Speaker 1: let me mess. I just wanted to know if I
Speaker 1: gotta stop up, stock up on like in a gas
Speaker 1: mask and aspirin. Alright, gentlemen, well Joe's gonna go buy
Speaker 1: some aspirin. We're going to go ahead and call this
Speaker 1: show a day. We we appreciate it, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you next week. Next by folks.