WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Spanish Flu 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. 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I just want I want to give 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.039 everybody kind of an idea how things work behind the 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.080 scenes to then let you know why this is such 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.160 an important one. So what we typically do is we 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.600 get together and we talk about different topics, things we 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.040 want to put on the show, and sometimes one rings 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.800 with all of us and we each want to go 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.080 ahead and research it, and you host that one. And 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.960 then we got the great idea, well, what do you know, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.000 why don't we go ahead and just do this as 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:58.080 a big show with the group. So we're doing that today. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.680 It's a pretty exciting idea. Yeah, there really is. Uh 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.000 so what are we gonna talk about. We are going 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:09.639 to talk about the Spanish flu otherwise known as the 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:14.880 influenza pandemic of nineteen eighteen. Okay, before you go Russia 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.640 into Wikipedia, let me just tell you what it is 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:21.839 that the flu, the pandemic was the nineteen eighteen flu 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:26.239 pandemic actually ran or appeared in about January of nineteen 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:32.640 eighteen and didn't go away officially until December of nineteen twenties. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.040 So the technically it was around for about two years, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.720 but it was an unusually deadly strain of influenza. The 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.440 flu is influenza. Did you guys realize that I didn't 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.080 get that flu was influenza until I started doing the research, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:55.200 and then I felt kind of super intelligent. Yeah, it's 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.079 a good thing you stumbled upon this topic. Then we 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:58.600 could have gone all the way through life and not 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.520 known about never known the flu and influenza were the 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:07.760 same thing. So it was an unusually deadly strain of influenza. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:13.480 And it hit the world in basically two major events. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:19.240 One around April May of nineteen eighteen, and then again 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.120 it popped up I believe it was around September of 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.680 nineteen Does that does that sound right? Yeah? Okay, which 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.040 is unusual because of flu. Normally, when does the flu 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.080 normally arrive, It's it's early winter. Yeah. Usually people get 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.560 the flu like late fall and then it hangs around 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.240 for winter and almost I mean, and you know, I'm 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.760 not a doctor, but it's my understanding that almost every 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.680 year it's basically a different strand the people get you know, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.840 people develop an immunity very often. You know, you have 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.400 to get vaccinated every year because it's like a slightly 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.680 different strand because it's always mutating, which you know, it's 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.480 that's what a virus does. Continues to do that well, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.200 and this one was weird because it showed up in 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.520 the spring and then it showed up before the fall 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.360 would normally have had its normal strains coming through. What 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.840 was really really bad about this, why it's considered a pandemic, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:19.000 is that it infected worldwide five hundred million people. So 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.120 many people. It is, especially in those days, in those 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.640 no it well, and it killed three to five of 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:33.320 the world's population. It was killing up to at its height, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.560 fifty percent of the people who were infected with it. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.880 It killed two hundred and and then, Okay, the numbers 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.840 are a little hard to get. For the exact number 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.279 of people that died was nineteen eighteen. Record keeping was 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.479 not at its height as it is today. The numbers 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:56.039 that I found range from twenty to one hundred million 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:02.480 people died in that year plus time frame. Influenza then 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.680 you attack on all the millions who were slaughtered in 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.520 the trenches of World War two or World War One, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.560 which was happening at the exact same time. The human being, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.320 the human race took a big setback in those really seriously, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.159 I mean, the world might be a much different place today. Yeah, 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:25.320 that's that's a huge chunk of a generation, of several generations. Actually, yeah, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.000 the economic loss and also a certain number of genius 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.200 has probably died, people who would have invented like the 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.279 anti gravity beam or something like. Yeah, and we don't 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.640 have the anti gravity beam today because of this, It's 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.039 considered one of the deadliest natural disasters of human history, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.360 just because of that sheer volume of people who died. Uh. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.560 Now we I at least I will continually refer to 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.080 this as the Spanish flu, because that's the name that 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.880 it was dubbed. You said, Joe, well that we were 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.960 in World War One. Okay, what happens during the Middle 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.640 Terry conflict. Well, most governments censored, at least at that time, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.559 they really censored what news could and couldn't be put out. Yeah, Well, 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.200 in Spain, because I don't believe they were as involved 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.400 or involved in the war at that time, they weren't 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.400 censoring the news. So they were the first ones to 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.000 report it. So they said, they're what you've got this 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.279 new strain, it's it's people are really sick. People are dying, 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.480 so globally, everybody just started referring to it as the 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.279 Spanish flu because that must be where it came from them. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.599 Really what I mean? You know, it's great because now 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.839 for Spain forever more is remembered as the place of 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:45.720 origin of this horrible flu. Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, me too, yeah, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.359 but yeah, and Spain will actually be known for something. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:49.839 It was like, you know, because they're not really known 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.440 for anything, you know, flamenco and a big chunk of 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:59.920 the world and the sixteen and seventeen hundreds. You're right. Yeah. Well, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.560 here's the other thing that made this such a deadly, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:08.760 deadly outbreak is if you've ever seen when we get 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.600 to that time of year when the flu is coming 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.920 out and we get the vaccinations, you know, they start 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.360 saying everybody needs a vaccination. Who were the first people 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.280 that they say should be vaccinated? Old people, on babies 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.520 and children, right, because they are the ones that are 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.080 most likely to be affected because theoretically their immune systems 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:32.680 aren't developed enough to fight off the infection. What's unusual 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.960 about the Spanish flu is that it's primary target range 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.840 was people between the ages of twenty and forty So 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.760 those were the people who were primarily dying, and the 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:50.800 young and the elderly were basically spared for a large part. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.800 They didn't they didn't kill them. They get sick, that's 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.480 not necessarily you know, spared, but they get sick, but 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:01.000 they wouldn't die from it, which is unusual. Actually, ramifications 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.960 if something like that hit us again today with our 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.560 demographics today, we have so many more old people on 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.440 Social Security and a huge shock of young working. These 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.520 people just died off, well, social security is going to collapse. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.080 That would be yet another social issue that would come 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.160 apart from this. So that is kind of the general 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.200 summation of what the Spanish flu was, Right, Okay, we 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.840 know it's influenza, but we don't know what caused it 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.280 and why it was so bad. It's referred to as 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.680 H one N one, which again, if you've ever listened 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.840 to the news when there's outbreaks of swine flu or 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.240 bird flu, it's it's H one N one or H 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.640 two and one or H five. There's always those those. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.880 That term is always used, though the numbers change. Yeah, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.400 and I don't know, I mean, I don't think any 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.760 of us know, particularly what that pertains to I mean 0:08:55.800 --> 0:09:00.640 some complex chemistry something, but wasn't swine flu? And one 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.040 H one not H one N one. I can't remember. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.920 I don't remember which way it goes. It's it's, it's it's. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.079 Ladies and gentlemen, if you understand this, please help us. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.280 But it is a very complex subject and I had 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.160 a very difficult time getting to the getting it straight 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:23.599 in my head. But you tried doing a google and like, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.959 what does H one N one mean? I did broke 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:32.200 down into very very scientific information and words that were 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.600 so long I couldn't pronounce some. And so it's like, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.400 but if it's got more than four letters in it, 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:46.160 I'm yeah. Again, we don't know what caused it and 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.760 what or what caused an end or what made it 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.800 so deadly. So that is today's show. We're going to 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.640 talk about the Spanish flu and theories about what made 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.280 it so bad, and we've got some good ones, not 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.000 just what made it so bad, but where it came from, well, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:06.040 where it came from potentially, and and what's the Spanish 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.840 came from the Spanish. Yeah, so let's let's go ahead, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.000 and now that you know what's happening, let's jump right 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.920 in into some theories. So the first theory that we've 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.680 got isn't the nicest theory in the world, and I'll 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.840 be honest with you that in terms of it's from 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.400 a different era ladies and gentlemen, so the terminology isn't 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.680 always the most pc. But the first theory that we've 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.520 got here is that it was caused by migrant workers 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:41.600 in Portugal and Spain. Remember that we're in nineteen eighteen 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:47.319 and we have tons and tons of people fighting the war. Well, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.200 farming still needs to happen. So what happens. You go out, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.840 you find people who can do the work, and you 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.360 put them on a train, and you bring them to 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:57.880 your country and you have them do the work, and 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.400 then you put them on a train and you send 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.760 them home. This first theory is that it's It didn't 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.560 necessarily originate because of migrant workers. It may have just 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.800 been a flu, but because of the fact that the 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.320 railroad systems were being used to transport so many people 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.720 back and forth, not just the migrant workers, but also 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.880 soldiers from every country to fight the war, that it 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.559 spread faster than anything that we had ever seen. Because 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.360 of that, and because it's spread so fast, nobody ever 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:33.560 had a chance to catch up and figure out what 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.960 was going on before it was too late. Plus, normally, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.640 if something breaks out, let's say in the United States, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:46.120 and it's a it's decimating people, it's not likely. At 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.880 that time it didn't as easily go from one area 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.400 to the next because there's not many people going back 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.200 and forth. But now it is, okay. So the my 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.120 only problem with that theory. I think it's a pretty 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.760 good theory, right, you know, we have spread, I agree 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.280 modern science. I think that my biggest problem with that 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.080 in terms of how it spread is that wasn't it 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.680 discovered in multiple different countries basically the exact same time. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.320 I do, yes, I've seen that at a lot of papers, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.000 although you know, you know, again that's questionable too, because 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.480 I mean, it's it could have been around in like 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:23.240 one place longer than another place, But the local doctors 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.320 and everybody else just thought, well, it's just people dying, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.560 you know, people getting sick and dying. Medical science was 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.360 not as exact as it is today. Not that it's 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.280 all that great today either, but uh, you know, and 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.600 so it might have been. And so finally, when people 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.960 started hearing about this global pandemic. Then then they suddenly really, 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.560 you know, there's here's a guy with flu, whereas like 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.040 last year there was there was people keeling over from 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.360 the flu, and they just didn't realize what it was, right, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.920 So that's a problem. It's also remember that's one of 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.120 the things I was talking about. Why you got dubbed 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.040 the Spanish flu is because of the fact that spoke 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.600 with the Spanish accident. I know. No. One of the 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.240 reasons that it got dubbed the Spanish flu is because 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.920 of the fact that everybody else was censoring the information. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.120 So it may have been that it was building in 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.920 all of the same areas at the same time or 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.280 different times, but reports of it were being suppressed. So 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.600 there's that option too. Yeah, there's always there's always bad information. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.959 So it didn't necessarily appear everywhere it once as far 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.040 as we know, we know that it essentially did, but 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.680 we can't say that it hit eighteen places in the 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.080 same day. Yeah, we can't distinctly say that, Yeah, we 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.640 noticed it all over the place at the same time, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.400 to mean it started all over the place. But globally, 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.720 noticing something is tends to be a slow process. One 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.959 of the things they talked about with the eighteen flu 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.800 is that it took us a startlingly long time to 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.600 make it to Australia. I do. I saw that, which 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.640 I thought was kind of interesting. You know, it didn't 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.400 make it there until nineteen and like February of nineteen nineteen, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.959 a year, a whole year later. And if you are thinking, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.720 you know, well, it's just spreading through troops, you know, 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.000 it's spreading like a normal virus. You know, that's kind 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.320 of where that comes into play, because uh, you know, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.240 I think that there was definitely there was a lot 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.400 of transference between people, you know, going back and forth 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.360 between Australia. Certainly not a year. I think a year 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:27.000 warranted between those two. Is there's some kind of disconnect 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.440 for me at least there that it would take a 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.480 whole year for a worldwide pandemic like that to reach 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.320 some place, to reach another, to reach another continent, especially 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.000 a continent that it seems like there was a lot 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.640 of travel happening because they were very involved with the war, 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.760 so you know, there are a lot of soldiers coming 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.400 and going. So if it was just the human human, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.280 I don't know. I mean, you know, that's just my 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.400 only big question mark over this whole thing. I and 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.720 I agree with that because I've read reports where they 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.560 were quarantining ships if there was any sign of it, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.160 the ship was quarantined. And this wasn't necessarily Australia, but 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.840 all kinds of ports were doing it. And I've also 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.360 read reports that the ship would leave port and it 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:14.760 would break out and the entire crew was essentially, you know, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.360 knocked down with it at one time, which would make 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.720 it really hard to go from from one continent in 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.760 the next. Yeah, if your entire crew was sick. Yeah, 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.080 that was the hella in World War two is like 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.920 you know, when you send troops over to Europe, you know, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.960 you realized it happened, We're going to die before they 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.680 even get there. And that was that. That was really 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.960 a hard thing. So this and this is the other thing, Right, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.080 I'm just gonna read this little quote, but I've got 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.720 here about this flu. It says it was detected in 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.720 Boston and Bombay on the same day, but took three 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.560 weeks before it reached New York City, despite the fact 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.520 that there was considerable travel between two cities. It was 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.000 present for the first time in Joliet in the in 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.360 the state of Illinois four weeks after it was detected 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.800 in Chicago, and it's like thirty eight miles between the two, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.320 you know. So I think there are definitely some questions 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.200 in terms of it just being like a normal thing 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.440 that people didn't have a resistance too, that it's spread 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.440 so quickly, and you have certainly, you know, it could 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.600 have mutated and just you know, affected everybody a little differently. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.400 But the fact that places that are geographically so close 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:25.640 that people are definitely moving in between consistently, it takes 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.360 weeks or months for that to you know, for it 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 to really spread that way. That's my big question mark 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.640 with it just being this like fairly mundane, you know, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.600 granted was a hardcore strain of influenza, but for it 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.800 to just be like a everybody had it, you know, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.840 you just caught it from someone type of virus. Well, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:48.360 it might have been to the people of New York 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:54.240 scared it away for a while. The good news is 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:59.440 Juliet is not a scary place. Having been there multiple times, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.640 they'd not scared away, and so, you know, and the 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.560 fact that it took three weeks to travel those forty miles, 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.919 but you know, just days to travel internationally. That's my 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.800 big question marks that it's awesome. It doesn't. It doesn't. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.560 It isn't that up. I don't want to even know 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.560 what the incubation period of it was. I don't I 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.200 believe that it's It's like, it was really quick. It 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:29.320 was a very rapid I think, a very rapid incubation period. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.879 So you got exposed and then within a couple of 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.480 days you were in full blown symptoms and then and 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.879 then okay, so that's that quickly. And but then well, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.560 of course we get that again. These were from nineteen, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.160 so we could be the guy said, well, I haven't 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.160 seen anybody, and I felt fine until yesterday, and then 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.160 suddenly I was sick. And when he may have been 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.840 walking up and down the streets for weeks feeling like crud, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.439 it just never reported it. Yeah, So I mean, we 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.080 don't know how long they were, so there's no yeah, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.920 there's no good number. You know. It says it's short, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.480 short incubation period, which, to be fair, in the flu, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.000 you know your incubation period and a typical flu is 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.560 maybe a week I think, so you know, a short 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:18.920 incubation period is likely a couple of days, but I don't. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.840 All right, what's what's the next one up on the docks. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.239 Let's see one of the things that we got here. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.639 There's all kinds of stuff here there. There is a theory, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.520 and I don't wouldn't play as much credence on it 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.120 that it was man made. It's a weapon. So the U. S. Army, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:38.520 back to your logical warfare weapon somehow infected U. S. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.199 Army ranks at Camp Roley, Kansas and there was a 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.200 major breakout there in March nineteen eighteen and spread around 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.679 the world. So it was like an accident of biological 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:52.679 warfare early experimentation. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so they were 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.800 they were they were working on biological warfare, and which 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.239 you know, I don't know that that makes a lot 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.479 of sense because I mean that really the end thing 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.840 in World War One was chemical warfare, right, that was 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.280 what everybody was into. I mean, this is kind of like, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:08.600 you know, that was that was what everybody thought was 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.320 just the ships. You know, Well, but think about it, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.119 if if everybody else is doing chemical warfare and you 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.120 want to get the upper hand, you might set off 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.080 a sect of scientists and say make me the super 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.960 make me something that will kill this these people. And 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.679 to be fair in your own face, sure, and to 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.480 be fair, you know, the United States military is known 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:34.400 for nothing if not saying, hey, scientists, here's a couple 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.160 million dollars. Do whatever you think will kill the most people. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:43.080 I mean, we're pretty good at doing that in America, right, Hey, 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.199 think of something that you think will kill a lot 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:47.840 of people in a really short amount of time. Here's 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.199 a couple of million dollars. Do some research. But the 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.320 problem is is, like you know, I don't know that 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.200 our our biological science was was advanced enough in those 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:00.959 days so we could actually, like these days, we can 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.760 do genes, plaicing and all kinds of stuff. We can 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.960 create killer bugs just really easily in the lab. I 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.399 don't know exactly how if we had the sophistication to 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:11.920 actually create I mean, we could come up with something 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.800 like anthwer ax. I mean, answer exces around and you 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.720 can bottle up answer ax and dump that on the enemy. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:22.439 But as far as inventing a new disease, and I 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:27.639 have a two worry answer for that happy accident, Yeah, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.479 I was gonna say, got they got lucky in the 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.400 worst sort of way. Got lucky I was gonna say, 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:40.640 um vaccines, and that is another one that because basically 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.840 what a vaccine is is mutated. You know, it's I mean, 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.639 you know, it's mutating a virus to the point where 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.640 it's effective enough that your body attacks at thinking it's 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.399 a virus, but not effective enough to actually give you 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.240 the disease. Right, that's my understanding of it. Again, you know, 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.160 I'm not actually scientists or anything. Know, that's my understanding 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.120 of what a vaccine is. So if you can create that, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:08.160 which you certainly could in you know, nineteen eighteen, there's 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.240 the potential too. And you know, all it was was 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.600 just a super flu, right, I mean, it's not like 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.600 it was some brand new, state of the art crazy 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.760 thing you know, how to short incubation period. It's spread 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.439 really quickly. But when it came down to it, it 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.160 was just H one N one, which is just influenza. Yeah. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.800 But again that the problem I have with that is 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.600 that and I'm not saying it's impossible, but what you 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.440 would have to do is isolate some stranger of flu 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.719 and then and then try to, in your own crude 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.880 nineteen eighteen way, tweak those things to to make them 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.240 a little different, and then you would have to find 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.160 people to infect with it. I think I think you're 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.840 reading into that too much. I again, I think that 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:52.880 you're expecting them to have intense to go farther than 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.800 they know how to go. Again, I think that somebody 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.720 might have stumbled upon something. Let me let me read 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.760 you this thing that i've I've got here because Devon 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.919 brought up. I really this one about vaccines I really 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:11.359 find interesting. And this is an account from or this 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.080 is a excerpt from a book. It's Eleanora McBean. She's 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.760 got a PhD. And she wrote a book Fly Swine 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:22.080 Flew Exposed. So here's what she says. I've heard seven 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.840 men dropped dead in a doctor's office after being vaccinated. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.960 This was in an army camp. So I wrote to 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.520 the government for verification. They sent me the report of 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.600 U S. Secretary of War, Henry Stimpson. The report not 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.119 only verified the report of the seven men who dropped 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.919 dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:45.480 been sixty three deaths and twenty thousand, five five cases 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.320 of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.760 vaccine during only six months of war. Uh that was 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.000 only one of the fourteen to five shots given to 0:22:57.040 --> 0:23:00.800 the soldiers. So she goes on to talk about that, 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.919 you know, it may have been that they vaccinated for something, 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:10.040 accidentally caused something else, created a new vaccine rapidly for that. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:15.960 It turns around and makes something even worse, and then 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.800 we end up with the Spanish flu out of that. 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:22.720 So okay, wait, the one and forgot what happatitis was 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:24.800 one of the things that came out right away with 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:30.680