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Speaker 1: to talk about the Spanish flu otherwise known as the

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Speaker 1: influenza pandemic of nineteen eighteen. Okay, before you go Russia

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Speaker 1: that the flu, the pandemic was the nineteen eighteen flu

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Speaker 1: pandemic actually ran or appeared in about January of nineteen

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Speaker 1: So the technically it was around for about two years,

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Speaker 1: but it was an unusually deadly strain of influenza. The

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Speaker 1: flu is influenza. Did you guys realize that I didn't

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Speaker 1: get that flu was influenza until I started doing the research,

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Speaker 1: known about never known the flu and influenza were the

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Speaker 1: And it hit the world in basically two major events.

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Speaker 1: nineteen Does that does that sound right? Yeah? Okay, which

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Speaker 1: So that's a problem. It's also remember that's one of

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Speaker 1: or if it's dirty needles and so one guy's got

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00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: something and it's not accounted for, it could make some

429
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: rapid change or mutation bringing on multiple things at once

430
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: that creates it. It does sound like it could possibly

431
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: be a cascade event. Sure, although where where's the sport

432
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: that this is? Kansas? So that was definitely not one

433
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: of the first outbreaks reported, was it. No, you're right,

434
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: I mean but the problem is that he's at a

435
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: fort where there are thousands upon thousands of troops all

436
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: housed together. So if they all get exposed inadvertently and

437
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 1: then shipped off, well, now we've just got the perfect

438
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, mechanism to spread it to average. Sure, sure

439
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: it could be I don't know. Yeah, So our next theory, um,

440
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of been talking I think it's

441
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: segways really well. We've been talking about you know, human

442
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: error of the nineteen eighteen time that you know, we knew,

443
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, and I think you you look at this,

444
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: you look at history this way all the time, right,

445
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: we knew enough to like do most most damage with it. Right.

446
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: So one of the theory is that it was actually

447
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: um that it helped to raise the numbers of people

448
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: who were attributed to having a Spanish flu, but that

449
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: it was aspirin poisoning. Oh yeah, Because the war is

450
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: going on, so most of the like really great doctors

451
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: have at this point been enlisted and are overseas. So

452
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: most of the people who are treating things are low

453
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: level nurses, interns, you know, medical students, things like that,

454
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical reps and if you will, uh, pharmacists. Surely, you know,

455
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: in that day and age, you just kind of went

456
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: to your pharmacists. You didn't necessarily have to go to

457
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: your doctor to get a prescription. You just went to

458
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: your pharmacist. That was an actual thing in nineteen eighteen,

459
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: right before the spike in October, the death spike that

460
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: happened in October um, the US Surgeon General, along with

461
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: the U. S. Navy, and the Journal of American Medical Association,

462
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: recommended the use of aspirin. The recommendation was because of

463
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: a pulmonary edema. It would uh, it was occurring in

464
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: three percent of the population, which is a significant portion

465
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: of the population. So they were suggesting the use of

466
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: aspirin to counteract this. So in the thing that happened

467
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: right before this is that Bear lost its patent on aspirin. Okay,

468
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: So because of that, a lot of aspirin was being

469
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: made and distributed without the proper warning labels on it.

470
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: So there weren't doses or anything like that on there.

471
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: People don't know what the people don't know what they're doing.

472
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: The Surgeon General says, take aspirin, and they're like, okay,

473
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: I'll just swallow a whole bottle, because the bottle of

474
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: them say, I don't do that, right, It's better than

475
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: dying of a pulmonary embolism or whatever. You know, they say,

476
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: we're going to die of. So there's a quoted a

477
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of chaos happening. Yeah, it's like, you know, I've

478
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: seen photographs from that time of like Main Street America.

479
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: You know, I see I speaking of chaos, you know,

480
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: like like the funeral parlor's got just dozens of coffins

481
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: step on the sidewalk outside because they were out of room,

482
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: so they had to stash the corpses on the sidewalks.

483
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: It must have seen like the end of the world. Yeah,

484
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people were really scared of Yeah,

485
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: and so I would I would definitely take you know,

486
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: you know a lot of aspirin if I thought that

487
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: would work. But there's a way to figure out if

488
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: that's true or not, and that is to dig up

489
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: some corpses of people who died from the flu and

490
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: just to see if if a representative if like if

491
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: they all had like high levels of aspirin in there. Well,

492
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: but most of them are inbalmed right. Well. The other

493
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: thing is that there are there are accounts of doctors

494
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: giving patients basically handfuls of aspirin at a time, drop,

495
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, pouring as many you know, three, four or

496
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: five into their hand and just giving it. Take this

497
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: and doing that on route, so while taking six of

498
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: eight aspirins at a time every couple of hours. So

499
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: are you guys ready for that? Here are the symptoms

500
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: of aspirin a dose okay death. People with mild intoxication,

501
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: just a mild intoxication of aspirin poisoning would frequently have

502
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: nausea and vomiting, a doominal pain, lethargy, tonitis, and dizziness.

503
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: Does that sound like to you? The flu? So? More

504
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: severe poisoning includes hypothermia, respiratory problems, metabolic problems, hypoglycemia, hallucinations, confusions, seizures,

505
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: um and coma. What does that sound like? That sounds influenza? Yeah,

506
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: and then it just kills you everything except the fever. Yeah,

507
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: But if you're taking aspirin, you don't have fever. Well,

508
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: it could be that, you know, like if you're you've

509
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: got the flu, so you've got flu symptoms. The fluid,

510
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: the flu doesn't kill you, but the aspirin does. Sure,

511
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: so there are a lot of theories surrounding that, right,

512
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: you know that it was just people just saying I'm

513
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: going to take twenty aspirin, or with people saying I

514
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: don't feel great, I'm gonna take some aspirin, taking too

515
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: many aspirins, killing themselves that way, even though they did

516
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: have the flu. So, you know, there are a lot

517
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: of really interesting theories in terms of that accidental treatment.

518
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: It's accident, it's it's accidental cures an accidental treatment. And

519
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that's really interesting I think about

520
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: this is that it was it was mass hysteria because

521
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: everybody was dying. And so when everybody's dying and the

522
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Surgeon General says, oh, just take some aspirin. Yeah, you

523
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: think the end is nigh. You're gonna take whatever you

524
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: have to and you don't know so but so he

525
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: made his announcement win it was just before the October spike,

526
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: so you can kind of assume that it was probably

527
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: but it wasn't there a previous spike before the aspirin announcement. No,

528
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: there was the initial there was the initial impact in

529
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: about May of that year, and there was there was

530
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: a death toll, but it was nearly as severe as

531
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the secondary event which happened in the fall, and that's

532
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: just before that event started really picking off again. As

533
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: Devin said it, it can't account for all of it,

534
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: but it does help when oh, I gotta do this,

535
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: then no wonder, your numbers start climbing. Even if it

536
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: was just a fourth, right, even if it's just a

537
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: quarter of the people overdosing on aspirin, that adds so

538
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: many more. But the October spike was that replicated around

539
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: the world that it was globally because remember that was

540
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: when it's the first one was a very mild impact.

541
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: It didn't hit a lot of people. The second event

542
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: is when it's it was suddenly people who hadn't been

543
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: sick before, we're getting sick. And that's when it was

544
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: reaching you know, up to fifty infectivity raids and or

545
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: death rates from infection and just running rampant. So I've

546
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: just found this, this is very fascinating to me. The

547
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: Journal of the American Medical Association, right that was one

548
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: of the groups that was recommending aspirants. They recommend the

549
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: dose they were recommending was one thousand milligrams every three hours,

550
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: which is equivalent to twenty five standard pills every hour today. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

551
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: that that that it's a pretty solid theory that that

552
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: would have helped to add to the numbers. Probably, that's

553
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: a lot. Twenty pills in twenty four hours. It's twice

554
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: the daily dosage, which is considered to be like the

555
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: higher edge of safety. Yes, but it seems like even

556
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: leaving the aspurnt out, it seems like this was still

557
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: an exceptionally deadly flu vis. You know, it was still

558
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: the fluvirus. It was just was it was something that

559
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: was It sounds like, yeah, it sounds like it wasn't

560
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: really the cause of the virus. So let's talk a

561
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: little bit about this actual virus because you know, we've

562
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: we've touched on this a little bit, right that when

563
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: I boiled down to it, the Spanish flu was just influenza,

564
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: but it was clearly the most deadly version of influenza

565
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: that we've ever encountered, you know, even you know recently everybody,

566
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll remember, or the swine flu recently, which

567
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, of course ended up being way scarier than

568
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: it actually was. But how about deadly stars remember stars? Yeah,

569
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, these are all strains of the same thing,

570
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: but we should talk a little bit about what makes

571
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: the Spanish flu specifically so interesting or what potentially could

572
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: have made it so deadly. Yeah, it's it's it's it's

573
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: biology that made it so deafly. You're absolutely right, and

574
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: and I found some in some research that I think

575
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And bear with me because this is

576
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: very scientific in the meat of it, and it's kind

577
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: of hard to get through. So we'll do our best

578
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: with this. And if I mispronounced something, I apologize. This

579
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: is why we're letting Steve do it, because my brain

580
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: that's off, So I apologize if. As we've talked about before,

581
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: the span the flu in self typically will focus on

582
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: people who have a compromised immune system. Therefore the younger,

583
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: the old. Well, it's been theorized, and they've actually dug

584
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: up some people who had the Spanish flu to try

585
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: to figure this out, and that's where a number of

586
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: these theories are coming from. And I don't know if

587
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: you guys saw this, but they dug up people who

588
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: had died of the Spanish flu in Alaska and had

589
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: been buried in the permafrost, and so they pulled him

590
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: out and they started a top seeing him, and of

591
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: course some of the bodies were in pork condition and

592
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: they didn't find anything, and someone weren't better than others.

593
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: So there's all this research on. Well, let's see what

594
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: the virus actually did on these preserved corpses. And that's

595
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: where this first theory that I've got comes in is

596
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: that it says that the Spanish flu featured what's referred

597
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: to as a cytokine burst uh, and it happens at

598
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: the site of infection. UH. Cytokines are a special cellular

599
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: signaling molecule in your body. Cytokines happened at the side

600
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: of an infection, and that draws your white blood cells

601
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: to come in and attack whatever the infection is. What

602
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: this says is that there was literally an explosion of

603
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: cytokines at the sites in the lungs where the splue

604
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: the influenza was happening. So therefore your body says, WHOA,

605
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: there is something seriously bad going on here, and I

606
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: am gonna go in and I am going to destroy

607
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: that and it would actually destroy the tissue of the

608
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: lung because it was fighting this area is so bad. Well,

609
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: it's an airborne infection. Which means that a lot of

610
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: your lung is full of this infection. So therefore it's

611
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, you've got these little explosions of cytokines going

612
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: all over, So of course your body goes in and

613
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: just tears it up, destroys your lungs. And when you

614
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: get the flu what happens. You get phlagm and in

615
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: pneumonia you get fluid in the lungs. Well, your your

616
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: lungs are stopped up and therefore they just start filling

617
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: with fluid, and that's what would help kill you from

618
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: this particular one. Your own body actually did some damage

619
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: to itself because of this weird feature of this strain

620
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: of influenza. So that's why you got So this was

621
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: basically a virus that gave you an auto autoimmune disease essentially. Yes,

622
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about. It is like, is it

623
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: possible that the people who died from this already had

624
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: autoimmune disorders? I don't know. I can't say that. All

625
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: I can say is that this research, if if you

626
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: look at it, because we talked about it before, again,

627
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: four year olds were the hardest hit bish flu. Who

628
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: has the strongest immune system, So they have a really

629
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: robust immune system, so this happens and their body just

630
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: goes into massive overdrive to attack the infection and inadvertently

631
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: destroys its own lungs. I've I found this today and

632
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: it's really it's really interesting because that would explain why

633
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: the symptoms came on so fast and people died within

634
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: a matter of hours to days of coming down with it,

635
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: because their body just literally went in and destroyed itself

636
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: and you couldn't breathe and you shut down because of it.

637
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, yeah, it's really solid. It's it's

638
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: hard to say because I've never we've never heard of

639
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: something having a component like that in it before that

640
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: caused such a severe reaction other than you know, as

641
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: you said, to have an autoimmune issues, but those tend

642
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: to not be as severe. Well okay, but beast things

643
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: and things like that, they are. You're right, Actually they

644
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: are really severe. But it's just amazing that a flu

645
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: could cause that master and across a huge number of people,

646
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: because that's the problem. Joe, Okay, Well, if they had

647
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: an autoimmune disease before, the millions and millions and millions

648
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: of people that died couldn't have all had the same

649
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: autoimmune deficiency. Well, there's a lot of different autoimmune deficiencies.

650
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: But now that I think about it, I think that

651
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: autoimmune deficiencies would be represented in all age groups, it's

652
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: not just people. That's also a really high note. I mean,

653
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know how much of that

654
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: is because it was a long time ago and couldn't

655
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: diagnose it, you know, but I think autoimmune diseases affect

656
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: like less than five percent of the population these days.

657
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: And maybe it is because the Spanish flew cold all

658
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: of these people, But I think that it's probably more

659
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: realistic to say that, you know, they I am, it's healthier.

660
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, your body would know. If your body attacks itself,

661
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't attack those viruses generally. So I have to

662
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: do a little research into this and find out why,

663
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, because that's not not a good

664
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: immune system. What it tears up your own tissue. It's reacting.

665
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ambian system is a very single minded

666
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: machine and it does what it has to do. But

667
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: this would also explain why the young and the old

668
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't die as easily because they didn't have a strong

669
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: immune system. So their immune system couldn't go as ballistic

670
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: on the infection, so therefore they only suffered mild consequences

671
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: and they healed but and didn't die. I don't know.

672
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's just one theory about why this

673
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: bug was so deadly. What's we've got a number of

674
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: we have a couple, Yeah, we have enough. Another one

675
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: that says that it was a double team of viruses,

676
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting. Um So, there was an autopsy

677
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: of a group of people, you know, I think it

678
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 1: was like about seventy people or something like that. Um So,

679
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: the autopsy showed that the virus replicated not only in

680
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: the upper rest pratry track, but also the lower respiratory track.

681
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: Um which was really similar to the way that the

682
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: swine flu was behaving. That's one of the things that

683
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: made it so deadly. As opposed to a regular flu.

684
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: The regular flu will usually just incubate either in the

685
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: upper or the lower or it'll move between the two,

686
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: but it won't attack both at the same time. So

687
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, like when you get a cold, the flu,

688
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: right you it's in your head for a while and

689
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: then it moves down, but it's never in the same place.

690
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: Really at once, you know, in the middle sometimes, but

691
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: you know, the typical flu that you get, You get

692
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: your head cold and then you get your chest cold,

693
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and then that's it. So they found that um, there

694
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: were two virus variants circulating in nineteen eighteen. Um In

695
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: one there was a viral protein that was hemoglobin bound

696
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: to their human receptor cells, which is kind of what

697
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about just a few minutes ago, and the

698
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: other one didn't bind to the hemoglobin. So your body

699
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: was trying to attack two different viruses that affected your

700
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: body in two different ways. At the same time. It

701
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: would attack one, it can't attack both, essentially, so you

702
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: were really sick in two different ways. So so essentially

703
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: it's possible that people who caught the flu and didn't

704
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: die just cut one of those variants, and the people

705
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: who died cut both of them. Yes, yeah, yeah. Have

706
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: they done any like serious digging up of corpses trying

707
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to figure that out? Well, again, that's the hard part.

708
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: You keep asking the same thing, Joe, which is, well,

709
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: let's dig some people up. Really, it was almost a

710
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, and the only ones that we've found

711
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: were these ones that were buried in the permafrost. There

712
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: have been some discoveries of lung tissue that was in

713
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: some military base in the back of a freezer that

714
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: you know, they meant to look at and they never

715
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: got to and they found it recently. But for the

716
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: most part, there's nothing lest So, I mean, you know,

717
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: they preserve bodies or in pandemics like this, they burned bodies, right,

718
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: they destroy bodies because they're scared that the dead bodies

719
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: will continue. You still need to fix of course. But

720
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: so the theory is is that there were two different

721
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: variants of this virus, and that one bound to your

722
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: hemoglobe and like we were talking about earlier, it bound

723
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 1: to your white blood cells like major body tack itself,

724
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: and the other had the exact same symptoms except for

725
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: that it didn't actually bind your blood. So there was

726
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: one variant that was highly deadly and another that wasn't,

727
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: or maybe two variants that were not themselves deadly together

728
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: well it was it was it's one it's very deadly.

729
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: Devon's right, it's one's very very is mildly deadly. But

730
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: if you get them bolt in conjunction, then you, yeah,

731
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: you're done for Yeah, although again that doesn't really that's

732
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: that still doesn't explain why people in the group, because

733
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: you would think that, you know, you would think that

734
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: were just to statistically likely to catch both strange if

735
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: you're say ten years old or eighty years old. That's true,

736
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: although I guess the thing that is the factor that

737
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: we haven't really taken into consideration yet is who gets deployed.

738
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: M Right, that's true, traveling the world, constant contact with

739
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: people from everywhere. Yeah, but actually, you know, I don't

740
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: know if you know this about kids, but they're kind

741
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: of a little disease factors. I happen to know that.

742
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: And I can tell you from my own recent personal

743
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: experiences having dealt with kids a lot recently, I had

744
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: lots of like little sicknesses, right Like I would have

745
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: like a sniffle a week, and they'd be different sniffles.

746
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: But I never got like really sick, whereas like five

747
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: years ago, I would get like really sick maybe twice

748
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: e like maybe twice a year. But when I got sick,

749
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: it was like knocked on your butt, like in bed

750
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, just miserable sick. So and

751
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of notice that's with kids is

752
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: and I think older people as well, they're fairly constantly sick,

753
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: but it's kind of just this, like I have a

754
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: post nasal drip thing going on, as opposed to uh. I. Also,

755
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I also think that with with healthy adults, what do

756
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: we do when we're ill and we got to go

757
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: to work? We go to work, a lot of people

758
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: still just go to work even though they're sick. Okay,

759
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: so kids stay home and old people just say, I'm

760
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: not going up to daymn having chicken soup. Yeah, I'm

761
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: just staying in and I'm gonna stay at a blanket

762
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: and read a book. Whereas the healthy people, O, God,

763
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: I feel terrible, but I gotta go to work. I

764
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: go to work and I'm sick, and I work with Joe,

765
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: and Joe's sick and he's got to go to work.

766
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: And we both got separate strands and we shake hands

767
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: each you know, that morning we both just got done

768
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: wiping our nose with our hand and we shake hands.

769
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Now we've given each other the and the other strain.

770
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Actually we've got each other in. Actually I usually blow

771
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: my nose in your coffee. Dude, Why whatever I get

772
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: the free you always get it. But anyway, although you know,

773
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: again that doesn't quite explain it, because the ten year

774
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: old who stayed home from school, he's got a dad

775
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: who's probably an age who goes to the office, gets

776
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: a disease from you know, perfect theory. Perfect. But that's

777
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: why I say it may have been a product of

778
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: the war that was happening, because, yes, in normal circumstances,

779
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: they year old who is the father of the ten

780
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: year old goes to work. In this case, he's offen

781
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: a transition World War World going off to the war

782
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: I got and hasn't seen his ten year old whatever.

783
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: That's another interesting fact to it. I'd like to find

784
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: out about, and I should have found out about that

785
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: before we did the show. But what were the mortality

786
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: rates between say, our troops and civilians back home? She's

787
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: the same. Actually, it really didn't differentiate where you were

788
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: the death tolls in the country, regardless of your country

789
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: of origin, where you were, your death toll from the

790
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: Spanish flu was about the same all across the board.

791
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: The debunking heart theories, well, no, here's the crazy thing.

792
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: This is just a random factoid about it. There was

793
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: only one place in the entire world that reported no deaths.

794
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: American Samoa they shut their borders down as soon as

795
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: word about the Spanish flu came out and they didn't

796
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: get it. Japan basically shut their borders down and had

797
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: a very small outbreak, and there was one other country

798
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: that did the same thing. Basically, whoa, there's this really

799
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: bad flu going on. Nobody's coming in, Everybody stay away,

800
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: and they had very minimal rates of infection. I mean,

801
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Americans had no death, but the restaurant had very low

802
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: numbers of death, so it might have been the weaker

803
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: of the strains got in, but he didn't kill anybody

804
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: because his big brother wasn't there to support. Yeah, okay,

805
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, so that's a good one. But there's also

806
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: you got another one. And this one is actually, I think,

807
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of kind of incredible, and that is uh the

808
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: curriculous physician um Sir John Crofton actually positive the theory

809
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: that it was bacteria, not the flu virus itself though

810
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: that was actually at the root of the big pandemic. Yeah,

811
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: it wasteria bacteria. So it's not just not just virus,

812
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: but virus and bacteria. So the bacteria is the hema, fellists,

813
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: And I apologize if I murdered. The pronunciation influenza, he

814
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: claimed was at the really great pandemic. He said it

815
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: was bacteria started the epidemic. During the pandemic, apparently one

816
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: third of patients who had this particularly influenza were also

817
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: found to have tuberculosis and they were most likely other

818
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: cases that when I went undiagnosed. That's right. Tuberriculosis was

819
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: terrible at that time. Yeah, it was a big thing.

820
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, that was actually my my grandfather

821
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: had tuberculosis was as well, after the whole Spanish flu thing.

822
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: But he yeah, they were actually they were actually going

823
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: to lock him up, and yeah, he agreed to move

824
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: out to the desert. He lived in southern California at

825
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: the time, so he agreed to move back to the

826
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: desert and basically placed himself, you know, under house, self

827
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: and quarantine and the quarantine. He basically didn't leave the

828
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: house for a year or something like that. And his

829
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: alternative was to go into an asylum where they had

830
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: which is what they did with people with TV back

831
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: in those days. Oh, I know that, I know in

832
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: my family there's talk of my grandmother talked about her aunt,

833
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: which would be what my great great aunt. Is that

834
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: how that would that their grandmother? It was my grandmother's

835
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: aunt that they never could figure out what was wrong

836
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: with her. And years later the family was just sitting

837
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: around talking that go we figured I don't remember what

838
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: her name was, but aunt whoever probably had TV and

839
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: they just never figured it out in time. Because yeah,

840
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: TV was a terrible it was it was a it

841
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: was another essentially pandemic of its own rampants through the population,

842
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: very serious stuff. And yeah, and you know, I mean

843
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: the civil rights weren't quite what they were in those

844
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: days as they are today, so you got that it

845
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: was not there was no problem off for them to

846
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: grab you and just stuff you with an asylum or

847
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: an institution somewhere. So help me, help me out here, Joe,

848
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: because my memory is failing me at the moment. Is

849
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: do you remember what what exactly do this tuberculosis due

850
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: to you? Do you remember? Suburriculosis basically attacked you along

851
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: um and it is a very deadly disease. It's actually

852
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: got among mostly most people have stays kind of latent,

853
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: but among people that have severely effects, he had killed

854
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: about half of them. Yeah, so it's like, let me

855
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: put that. Yeah, most infections of what they call a

856
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: asymptomatic and latent, but about one and ten latent infections

857
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: eventually progresses to an active disease, which have left untreated

858
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: kills more than of the infected people. So it's in

859
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: the lungs. So we did a lung disease. Yeah. Interestingly enough,

860
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: they back in the day, they used to use cigarettes

861
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: of all things, to to actually inhibit It's kind of

862
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: like the chemotherapy of a stay. I saw. I saw

863
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: it actually an old and old photograph of people that

864
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: were in some asylum in California that were there were

865
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: and they were all smoking because that was one of

866
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: the prescribed things. It would describe people like lucky strikes.

867
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: He had that you like, light up Lucky. You're kidding. Yeah,

868
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: they would actually, they would actually make all the patients

869
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: smoke cigarettes because apparently that inhabited the growth of the bacteria.

870
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Oh wow, geez, well, hey, the marvel of modern medicine. Well,

871
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good reason. It's because if if,

872
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: if inact, if tobacco is inhibiting the growth of curriculosis bacteria,

873
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: it's probably inhibiting other bacterial growth in your lungs too,

874
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: So obviously tobacco was a good thing. Well you know what,

875
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: everybody they got influenza then should have just smoked lucky

876
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: strikes and called it good, the bold smooth tape. So

877
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: suberculosis is just an infection of the lungs, right, Yeah,

878
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: it's obviously a serious so obviously bad thing. But yeah

879
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: it's I could see where you know, something like the

880
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: sefuriacys infected with a virus or two viruses as in

881
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: your previous series, and it might and and tuberculous is

882
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: what's much more rampant back in than it is today. Uh,

883
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: it might open the door for some sort of tuberculosis infection,

884
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: which could be the actual killer. So this theory is

885
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: that it's just bad luck. Yeah, well obviously, well they've

886
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: got a little bit of tuberculosis in there, but enough

887
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: that not enough that their body can't fight it off,

888
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: is what it sounds like. And then the influenza hits.

889
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: Your body is trying to again, just like you know,

890
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: the double virus, You're trying to fight both at once,

891
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: and then they just hit you all at once. They

892
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: tag team. Yeah, like like like I was just saying,

893
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: most tuberculosis is what they called latent asymptomatic. And then

894
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: but then say these things come along and doom. You know,

895
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: it's the beast is unleashed, you know. So, I mean,

896
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: that's entirely possible if that's what happened and that but

897
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: that's good news for us in our present day because

898
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: pretty well we haven't completely stamped out TV. It does again,

899
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: we're pretty good at it. Yeah, it's a lot less prevalent.

900
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: I would say that it's entirely possible that there are

901
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: millions of people I'm talking probable millions of people were

902
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: walking around with latent cases of TV back in the back.

903
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: Probably not happening today. Probably not. TV police got the

904
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: TV police, t V persecuted that they So I guess

905
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: the my favorite theory yeah, so I was, I don't

906
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I know you've been pacause it really is where did

907
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: this come from? So, I mean that is right. It's

908
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is um a big old mutation of

909
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: fairly normal virus. Right, and so the big question is

910
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: where did this come from? And my favorite theory is

911
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 1: base the final frontier. Yeah. So there's ah, this really

912
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: great theory that basically says that, uh, every big epidemic

913
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: that we've ever had as a human race has been

914
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: follow or has followed very closely. Comment Oh I saw so, okay, okay,

915
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: you gotta break this down from because I tried to.

916
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: I tried to do a little bit on this, but

917
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: I got lost. Well, I got stuck. So we got

918
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: opposites because you got stuck in science or something. I

919
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: don't know what happened. But so there's a really interesting

920
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: pattern of human pandemics, uh, in the last you know,

921
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: like thousands and millions of years. UM. It's a really

922
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: interesting pattern that we follow. So the first one that

923
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: I could find record of was the Great Plague of Athens,

924
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: which was in UM for thirty BC. UM. It was localized, uh,

925
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: and it could have had a local source, but that

926
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: was never discovered. And right before that we passed through

927
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: a comics trail as Earth Earth passed through a comets trail,

928
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: so like within a year of that pandemic happening. And

929
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: then the next one was in the first century a

930
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: d UM and a Greek physician was referring to an

931
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: outbreak in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. UM it was most

932
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: likely the bubonic plague. Let's be fair, which is you know,

933
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: spread by fleas and rodents. But right before then, again,

934
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: we had passed through a commets trail within the last

935
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 1: two years I think it was UM half a millennia

936
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: later in UM for five forty one a d UM,

937
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: they called it a scourge. At that point it was

938
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: again the bubonic plague. They kept recurring, but it was

939
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: different strands and more horrible strands every single time. UM

940
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: in constant snople. And they're all bacterial diseases that are

941
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: spread by infected fleas. So it's not likely that it

942
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: was just like it went away and then came back,

943
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: and went away and came back. It wasn't just like

944
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: storm sleeve just you know, suddenly the sleeves weren't biting anymore,

945
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: and then years later they started biting again. I would

946
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: like it if fleas would stop biting for years. You

947
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: would make so much better because they always go for me.

948
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: Stop stop like right now, and pop up again like

949
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: long after my death. That's cool. Yeah yeah, So uh.

950
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: The babonic plague is resistant to freezing, which is pretty interesting.

951
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: It's also radiation resistant, which is also pretty interesting. So

952
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: what does that mean for us? It means that the

953
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: best place for it to incubate is space or the

954
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: upper atmosphere. So the theory is is that there. I

955
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: guess there are two theories. Um, I think we look

956
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: a little bit about this. You know, you got to

957
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: do just a tiny bit of research on it. You know,

958
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: I understood it that the bacteria and viruses live up

959
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: in the upper atmosphere and they're constantly bombarded by solar radiation,

960
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: which would cause all of these viruses and bacterium to

961
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: mutate in two weird versions of themselves. So the theory

962
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: that I understood is that they are there. It's just

963
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: constantly up there. So every once in a while we

964
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: passed through the tail of a comet which causes meteor showers,

965
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: which is just rocks falling from the sky into our

966
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: atmosphere all the way to the ground, which brings these

967
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: bacterias and viruses back down to the ground. So it

968
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: would explain why they are the same thing quote unquote,

969
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: but they're different strands and more mutated strands of these things.

970
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Let me let me just ask just so I understand

971
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: point of order here. So you're saying their air currents

972
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: are keeping them in the upper atmosphere, winds they can't

973
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: drift down because of the wind, so they're just constantly

974
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: swirling up there. We've got a little death cloud, and

975
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: then a meteor comes swooshing through the atmosphere and creates

976
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: essentially enough turbulence and causes a tail to suck that

977
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: stuff down behind it. That's one of the theories. The

978
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: other theory is that they become negatively charged, because so

979
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: like the Aurora borealis, for instance, is basically negatively charged

980
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: dust particles from Earth going up into the atmosphere. So

981
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: the other theory is that maybe these are becoming the

982
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: viruses and bacteria are becoming negatively charged. I don't I'm

983
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, I don't totally understand that theory. So

984
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: that the scientists, so they attract death, they just chill

985
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: out in the air, and then something coming through their

986
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: again positively charges them and allows them to come back through.

987
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: But the thing that's really could that they would eventually

988
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: just settle out through sheer gravity to have some mass.

989
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: So the thing that's really interesting with this, I think

990
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: is that um in a lot of plagues that we've

991
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: had as a civilization, people talk about them being spread

992
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: through flying animals of some kind yeah, so through birds, yeah,

993
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: through birds, or through fleas or pigs, pigs who fly um.

994
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: So you know, that's a really interesting facet to this

995
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: theory is that things that are closer up in the

996
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: higher atmosphere get it first and spread it to humans. Okay,

997
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: I can see that, yeah, because I know that what

998
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: was it the bird flu of two thousand nine or something,

999
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: and it was it was blamed on waterfowl then spreading

1000
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: the infection to chickens in China, who then you know,

1001
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: then ran rampant through them until they were all destroyed

1002
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: and a few people got it. But okay, okay, I

1003
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: can run with that. So the way that this kind

1004
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: of ties back into what we're talking about, right, because

1005
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: we don't want to just talk like amorphously about bacterian

1006
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: viruses live in the sky. That's a scary thought, right,

1007
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: and I could just do that, could just drop down

1008
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: an old time they just dropped down whenever. So the

1009
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: idea is a combination of One of the theories I

1010
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, is that it's a combination of

1011
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: two viruses, but it's different in that the idea is

1012
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: that it was a new viral strain that transferred its

1013
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: genes to an old viral strain which already existed within

1014
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: the human genome or whatever, and created a really deadly hybrid.

1015
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: Because the thing that you think about with viruses and

1016
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: bacteria is that its point is to not kill you.

1017
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: The perfect virus, you won't even be affected by it all.

1018
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: So every virus that makes you stick is a mutation

1019
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: of some kind because they want to keep you alive,

1020
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: because if you die, it dies right right. So it

1021
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: was the theory that there was a new viral strain

1022
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: that had been horribly mutated up in the atmosphere and

1023
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: came down and basically mixed with one that was down

1024
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: here already, which is pretty interesting theory. It's a little,

1025
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, and it seems a little far fetched,

1026
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: but okay, But anyway, there is there more to to this.

1027
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: This this goes on, I can I'm judging by the

1028
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: tone that you're flipping through that this this theory gets

1029
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper and more and more twisted. So in

1030
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: n do you know what happened in nineteen ten com

1031
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: Hayley's comment, that's the thing they talked about is that

1032
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: it took seven years for the Spanish flu to come

1033
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: through then, so I was the original theory people were

1034
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh it is Hayley's comment blah blah. So

1035
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,439
Speaker 1: there's no like really great cause causation between them because

1036
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: of seven years apart. Right, But there is this comment

1037
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: called comment anche uh that had extremely close approaches to

1038
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: Earth um both in n O eight and then again

1039
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: in fourteen UM and we passed through its tail in okay,

1040
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: so we we went through its tail three times in

1041
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: ten years. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't think we hit

1042
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: comments that frequent. Well, so what happens in the comments? Right?

1043
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: Did they get stuck in our but for a little while.

1044
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: What happens is that if the if the comment, if

1045
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: the order of the comment is in the ecliptic, and

1046
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: you know what the ecliptic is, okay, ecliptic. The ecliptic

1047
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: is the plane of the when the Sun formed, it

1048
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: basically it created as a disc, compress it compressed down

1049
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: and it turned into a spinning disk and then eventually

1050
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: compressed itself into a Sun. And there were body products.

1051
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: There was some stuff left behind out there in this

1052
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: disk in the outer fringes, which consolidated itself further into planets.

1053
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 1: When you see the map of the planet, it looks

1054
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: like a series of frisbees around the Sun. Exactly. We're

1055
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: more or less the planets are more or less in

1056
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: the same plane, and so and so. The the actual

1057
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: plane formed by the Earth's orbit is what's called the ecliptic,

1058
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: and so it's other ecliptics. So if a coll it

1059
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: happens to be in more or less in the ecliptic.

1060
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: In other words, if it comes in, crosses orbit, goes

1061
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: around the Sun, goes back out, crossing orbit again. If

1062
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: that plane of bits orbit is the same the same

1063
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: as the plane of our orbit, then we will cross

1064
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: the will cross that path every year. Okay, okay, and

1065
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: that's what meteor showers. That's why we can predict meteor showers,

1066
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: because we know there's a bunch of cosmic crap out

1067
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: there in our orbital path that we're gonna we're gonna

1068
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: cross through every year. I always wondered how that. Okay,

1069
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: that totally makes sense, all right, continue on show. Is

1070
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: the common expert is combined, we will be able to

1071
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: explain this. Um. So one of the things they talked

1072
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: about a lot when I was doing this research was

1073
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: that the way that the Spanish flu spread was really weird.

1074
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: We've spent a lot of time talking this episode about that. Um,

1075
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: there are some islands in the mid Atlantic that definitely escaped,

1076
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: as you were saying, But my research brought up that

1077
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: they didn't close the borders and there was shipping that

1078
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: happened in between those places to some of them. To

1079
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: some of them, there was shipping that happened, but they

1080
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: still remain death and flu free. So that I think

1081
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: was very interesting, observed good quarantine procedures to you know,

1082
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: that's certainly true, and you know, again this is all

1083
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: conjecture basically. Yeah, there's been so many rehashes of this. Yeah,

1084
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: you know. Then there was the as I said before,

1085
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: the weird delay of it hitting Australia. And one of

1086
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: the things they talked about is that when you analyze

1087
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: the upper atmospheric patterns of nineteen eighteen, the flu very

1088
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: closely followed that pattern. So where the places that people

1089
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: were hit really hard were places that the upper atmosphere

1090
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: was more densely happening. Does that make sense, We're definitely

1091
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: happenings happening. It's like weather patterns. You have low the

1092
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: low atmospheric weather patterns and you you're high atmospheric more

1093
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: high atmosphere weather stuff happening. Yeah, there area, So it

1094
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: was it was basically just like falling from the sky

1095
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,479
Speaker 1: along the jet stream. So that's very interesting as well.

1096
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: All right, so I okay, So the so the pattern

1097
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: that it followed was not just the way that a

1098
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: disease goes through the air, an airborne disease goes, which

1099
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: is person just a person to person. It didn't follow

1100
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: precisely that pattern. It more accurately followed the jet stream

1101
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: and upper atmospheric weather patterns, which is very interesting as well.

1102
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's I wouldn't have thought. I don't

1103
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: remember seeing that anywhere, So that's okay. So the other

1104
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: thing that was really interesting is that in two thousand

1105
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: and seven, this comment was struck by a massive material

1106
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: uh from our sun. It was back in our solar

1107
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: system again again. Yes, was struck by a little bit

1108
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: of our sun, a little solar flare, and it broke

1109
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: off some of the comets tail and we went through

1110
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: it again in early June or early July, late June

1111
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: um of two thousand seven. And so do you remember

1112
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: what happened? Two thousand seven. Let's see, I was working

1113
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: at the grocery store. The good news is you're not

1114
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: forgetting anything. But in two thousand nine what happened there

1115
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: was another way. Okay, you know, I think it's really

1116
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: interesting that every time we passed through this thing, you know,

1117
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: there's definitely an incubation period, but we passed through this

1118
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: tail and we get a new virus, get a new pandemic.

1119
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: You just swine flu. We passed through in two thousand nine, again,

1120
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: swine flu happened. Adocate, I need to understand. So, Okay,

1121
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: this theory is postulating that there is biological material in

1122
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: the tail of a comment. So my question is how

1123
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: does that live? Because everything I can understand is that

1124
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: things don't live in space. Well, they don't have they

1125
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: are unaffected by freezing. Thought. I said that I might

1126
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: have not plague, but I didn't. I didn't. So and

1127
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: one H one is also or H one and one

1128
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: is also resistant to freezing and resistant to radiation. Oh,

1129
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: the ice particles that make up the comment. Okay, that

1130
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: seems to be the theory. So then they're My understanding

1131
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: of it is that these are viruses that just kind

1132
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: of chill in our up their atmosphere. But there also

1133
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: seems to be a theory that they are in fact

1134
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: held within these comments, which is also really an interesting theory.

1135
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: You know, I got really sucked up into that theory.

1136
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of information on it then, you know,

1137
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 1: just plagues of all of the past. But uh, you know,

1138
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of an interesting theory that

1139
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: how had some good evidence, you know, whether or not

1140
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: I necessarily believe that it's totally accurate. Okay, So this this,

1141
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 1: this brings up a good question, and I know that,

1142
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, you said, I know when we were talking

1143
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: before we started recording, you were talking about having done

1144
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 1: the research on comets. Um, So if there's biological material

1145
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: in the comments, then it had to come from somewhere.

1146
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: Where does the comet come from? And where's the biological

1147
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: material come from? That's like, that is the big scary question,

1148
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like, now, there was a lot of

1149
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: talk about comets bringing life to the planet and bringing

1150
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: all the water to the planet everything else. So where

1151
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: the hell did the comments come from, you know, and

1152
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: where did that life on the comments come from? There's

1153
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: only one possible explanation, and that is aliens. Okay, but

1154
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 1: you're laughing. But now actually that that doesn't that doesn't

1155
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: resolve it obviously, because the aliens had to come from

1156
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: somewhere too, because the way, and that's something we'll never

1157
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: probably understand. It's where the hell life originated in the universe.

1158
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: And you know the pan spermia ideas that it's everywhere.

1159
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: Life is everywhere. It's being sort of passed around and

1160
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: distributed all over the place by comets and meteoroids and

1161
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: everything else. My theory about comets is that my theory

1162
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: about comets is that essentially comets are just kind of

1163
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: like kind of like minds that are sent through the planet.

1164
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: That's that's sent through our solar system by by some aliens.

1165
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: They've been manufactured. They put them an orbit around the Sun.

1166
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: They go around us. There's suspiciously many of them that

1167
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: are in the ecliptic, so that means we cross their paths.

1168
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: So when they come in, they rock it around the

1169
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: Sun quickly, leave a lot of debree behind, and then

1170
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: they go way way out there to what's called the

1171
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,600
Speaker 1: Ords cloud, way far away, and they come back like

1172
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: a hundred years later. So way out there we can't

1173
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: see what's going on out there, but I'm suspecting that

1174
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: they meet up with an alien starship which loads them

1175
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: up with all kinds of new deadly bugs, and then

1176
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: they start their journey back in there you go, we

1177
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: solve the mystery, so you laugh, But he's actually got

1178
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: some good material and they're one of the interesting the

1179
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: interesting things to think about is, as I said, the

1180
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: point of a virus is to keep you alive. I mean,

1181
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: it's not like going to enhance your health, but it's

1182
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: not supposed to hurt it. So you know, it's this

1183
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: big question of where did these viruses and bacterias evolve

1184
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: in what you know, what scenario or what living being,

1185
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: because that's generally where these things incubate in living beings.

1186
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: Did this incubate and it said, oh no, this is great.

1187
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not killing it, I'm not hurting it,

1188
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: but I'm living in it. And then it got cast

1189
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: off onto this comment for whatever reason, the comma comes around,

1190
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: discards it, and it comes down and just like kills

1191
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: millions of human beings because it's not I guess calibrated

1192
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: would be a term to use to a human biology.

1193
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: So am I gonna say alien. No, but I think

1194
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: it's an interesting thought for sure. You know, this is

1195
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: great and I think that the first time we talked

1196
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: about this story, I said that this really sounded familiar

1197
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: to me for a while when we first started doing this,

1198
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: and I know that there have been some talk of

1199
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: this is do you guys remember I told you there's

1200
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: a there's a book out there by a guy named

1201
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: Scott Sigler that's called Pandemic and it deals with aliens

1202
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: who distribute some kind of virus through the atmosphere. Too

1203
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: then you know, reproduce and there's all these things that

1204
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: happened and obviously not give away the plub but it's

1205
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: it's a very very similar storyline to what we've just

1206
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 1: talked about in the last fifteen minutes. Anyway, now now anyway, um, yeah, no,

1207
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. I mean, and I think about it.

1208
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: If you're an alien you want to come down and

1209
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: calling as the planet, want to do a little bio well,

1210
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's you we're making lights saying it's

1211
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: nefarious aliens, but Devin, you you were explaining to me

1212
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: where comments come from, and yeah, and what what is

1213
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: that again? So I still those comment happens from a collision, right,

1214
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, most meteors of any size or asteroids of

1215
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: any size come from a planet disintegrating. Some of them

1216
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: are left over from the dawn of the universe shore,

1217
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: but most of the time it's you know, a planet

1218
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason has just disintegrated and all of the

1219
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: little bits shoot off into all millions of different directions.

1220
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: And it turns out there are a lot of water worlds,

1221
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,480
Speaker 1: not in our Solar system obviously, but in our galaxy

1222
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: and in our universe. The one where he drinks his

1223
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: own p Yes, no, it's not those guys. Maybe it is,

1224
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there are worlds that are just

1225
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: mostly made of water. And the theory is is that

1226
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: if an asteroid large enough hits this thing, it basically

1227
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: splashes a lot of water into space, which I understand

1228
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: is like physics. Maybe okay, there's some problems there, but

1229
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: if it's big enough, it'll splash some water, essentially splash

1230
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: water into space, and all of the water like molecules

1231
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: cling together, as everybody knows, so all the water kind

1232
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: of like comes together and freezes into this thing and

1233
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 1: shoot off into different direction and that's essentially where a

1234
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: comet comes from, one of the many different ways. But

1235
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,919
Speaker 1: that's one of the big theories, is that it's basically

1236
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: just water from this like alien world that's just been

1237
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: splashed into space. Well, and and I I know, I swear,

1238
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: I don't know where I've I've learned this, But isn't

1239
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: it the tail of a comet? We all, you know,

1240
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: associated comet is having a tail, but the tail is

1241
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: not always there. It's only when the comet comes into

1242
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: a certain amount of heat and radiation that first melt

1243
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: and that that melt or that that melt off is

1244
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 1: what becomes the tail. And then the solar wind forces

1245
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: it away from away from the Sun, which is why

1246
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: you know what it's coming towards the Sun. When the

1247
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: tail is as the smallest, it's kind of like a tail.

1248
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: When it's gone around the Sun and heading back, the

1249
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: tail is actually in front of it. Yeah, yeah, is it? Yeah?

1250
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: So they and they Actually the Earth is kind of

1251
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: in like a sweet spot of like it's melted enough

1252
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: to be a tail, but not so melted that you

1253
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,879
Speaker 1: can't see it entering our atmosphere, which is pretty interesting.

1254
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: I mean, the Earth isn't a lot of sweet spots.

1255
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: Science is weird. I think the thing I'm actually really

1256
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: interested in that I came up when I was in

1257
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: my comment hole was that I found out that there's

1258
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: a comment, like a big old comment coming for us

1259
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: really soon. It's in the I'm sorry, how did you

1260
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: pronounce it? The cloud cloud? Yeah, in there right now? Well, no, no,

1261
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: it's it's the warthe cloud as far away. It's it's

1262
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: it's like do here. Are you talking about the one

1263
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: that's do here at the end of this year? Yeah,

1264
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: I know, it's nice. No, it's it's headed this way already,

1265
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, because yours cloud is like way I'll beyond Pluto.

1266
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: Was there maybe was when this report was written. I

1267
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: don't know where it is now. It's probably passed the

1268
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: yever to mars by now. Well, so the thing is

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: is that it's supposed to be at its brightest in

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Speaker 1: like really late November early December of this year. I'm

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna order some clear sky apparently, um, it's supposed to

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: be within binocular view, like within the next month, you're

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to see it with binoculars. It's

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: that big and at its height, which is this like

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: late November, early December area. It's it's going to be

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Speaker 1: in the sky and it's going to be brighter than

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01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: a full moon would be. That's going to be pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: It's maybe the biggest comment that we've ever encountered. It's

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: not gonna it's gonna pass close enough for us to

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01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: see it, but it's not going to pass close enough

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: for us to like have kind of fear that it

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: will collide or that it will have any kind all

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01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: we gotta worry about. It's like dying horribly from something sonically,

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: don't you know. We don't have to do that. But

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: it'll be visible. It's always the rock for like four

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: or five months to the naked eye, ye, all the way,

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: all the way until July. So I've got to tell

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Speaker 1: you I'm looking forward to this, I really am, because

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01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, the return of Haley's comment was kind of

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01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: a letdown, and and then there was Cohotech, which also

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01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: is a big, big letdown. Yeah, I know, And so

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01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: I hope this one really turns out to live up

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: to us. And saw Haley's comment, I remember when I

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01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: was like ten Oral Levin and that was and for me,

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01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: it was my first comment that I had ever really seen,

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: and that was it was really awesome because we went

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01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: up to Mount Hood and we were up camping and

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01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: it was awesome. But this I'm really excited about. I'm

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: also really interested to see if some of these scientists,

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01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: because the people who have been doing research on this

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: comment theory are by large real scientists, if they are

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01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: going to take advantage of this and try and get

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: any kind of data from it, because it's it is

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01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: the biggest one and it's not one we've particularly encountered before.

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: There has been talk. I don't know if they have

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01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: enough time to I don't know if there's plans to

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01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: send a probe out to this one, but they have

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01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: been taught. They's been talking about sending a probe out

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01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: to a comment and actually I think I think NASA

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: is working on that. It would be interesting. NASA is

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01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: also working on it. Just saw something recently figuring out there.

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: Actually a lot of companies are now figuring out and

1313
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: wanting to mind the asteroids. Mind the asteroids They're they're

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01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: putting they're starting to put up money to figure out

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01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: how to do it. So I wouldn't be shocked if

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: we're going to start you know, pulling in giant space

1317
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: bad mitten nets to catch a coughing it. It's a

1318
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: space bad as technical as a gas. Yeah, so it'll

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01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: be interesting to that, you know. I think it'd be great.

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01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: We could capture, capture some asteroids, some fairly decent ones,

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01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, and nudgement. It'll be a lot process, but

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01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: to basically nudge them in to Earth or a bit

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: and then mind them, haulow them out on the inside

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: and using using attached rockets, you put a spin on

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01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: them to generate artificial gravity. So and then you play

1326
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: space tennis. No, and then you have people living inside him. Yeah,

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01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: you can. You can totally turn these things into habitats.

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Speaker 1: Freaking awesome. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I was just gonna

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01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: ask if that's our I was about to say, we've

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01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: been off topics for a kind of ben Yeah, I'm

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01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: then my sci fi nerd mode here I like to

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01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: talk about Yeah. No, No, that's the that's all of

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01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: the theories that I know about. You guys have any

1334
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: others as far as the origins of the Spanish flu Yes,

1335
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: the freaking Spanish that's the last one I've got. Well,

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: if that's all of it, and that's all. We've got

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Speaker 1: ladies in gentile and I hope you enjoyed today's show.

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01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh this is a little different for us. We haven't

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: done this before, so yeah, usually we saw mysteries. Today

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01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: I think we created more than we saw. Yeah, we

1341
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: might have. But you know, if you like this and

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it, please let us know. You can let

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: us know you or if you've got theories of your

1344
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: own or other research you want to tell us about,

1345
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: go ahead and send us an email. You can email

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01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: us at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. Uh.

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01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: There is a lot, a lot of research material out there,

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01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: and we have so many links there's no way I

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01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: can we can put them all on the site. So

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01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna put up a good number of them. But

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01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: if you want to find some of the research material

1352
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: that we use, you can find it right on our

1353
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: website that as always is at Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

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01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: And with that, uh, I just want to you know,

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01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: a little shout out here, a little, a little, a

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01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,839
Speaker 1: little please for all of you. I'm sure our listeners

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: we have hundreds, if not thousands of scientists who are

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01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: actually investigating stuff like this, So please call email whatever

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01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: and tell us what your thoughts are. Yeah. No, I'd

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01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: love to know because this one, this one is kind

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01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: of a sticky mess, a big gooeys. Yeah, let me mess,

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01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: let me mess. I just wanted to know if I

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01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,759
Speaker 1: gotta stop up, stock up on like in a gas

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01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: mask and aspirin. Alright, gentlemen, well Joe's gonna go buy

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01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: some aspirin. We're going to go ahead and call this

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Speaker 1: show a day. We we appreciate it, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next week. Next by folks.