1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode fifty Bobby Guys with Brandy Clark. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of glad you came in. Oh, 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. It's always at first a little 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: weird when people come in and I'm a huge fan 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: of because I'm always a little bit intimidated. So well, 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: no need to be intimidated by this girl. Well, I 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming in, and we're the same because we 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: just finished working out, so there's no shame in either 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: one of us in our in our workout pants. I 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: like that, That's what I mean. I love that's I 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: love radio more than TV for that reason. Could you 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: wear whatever you want? Yeah, and it's gotta be nice. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna ask you this before 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: the podcast, but I'll ask on it. What time does 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: your day start? Three am? So imagine if you had 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: to be in hair and makeup like I mean, even 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: though guys don't have to be in hair and makeup 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: like girls, but if you were on a news guy. 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: I have friends that do morning television and they have 20 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: to be in hair and makeup, and they have together 21 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: even earlier, and their clothes matter. You know, it's ready 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: as much or a visual thing now because everything's online. 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: But still it doesn't really matter for me that much, 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: which is unfair because Amy and my co host, it 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: does matter to her and she has to look a 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: certain way in her mind or she just gets beat down. 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: It's not a fair thing. It's is that because again 28 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: I can go to work in sweats and in not 29 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: shape for four days, and then if God forbid, she 30 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: has put makeup on, people are just like they go 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: after anyway. My high school English teacher I remember, asked, 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: why do guys Why do girls look so bad when 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: they don't wear makeup and and guys don't like guys 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: look just fine? And I said, well, if guys weren't 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: makeup every day and then they didn't, they wouldn't you know. 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: I always wish the guys could wear makeup, or you 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: guys didn't have to wear makeup at all. It would 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: be an equal billing kind of thing, because if we were, 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: how goold look and I would be whenever I go. 40 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Because I just did a festival and a TV show 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: on Saturday and they put the cover me in my up, 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: I look like Twilight. I look great. They have me 43 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: had so much makeup. I was like, man, if I 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: could look like this, The problem is if I wore 45 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: that much makeup really and everybody else doesn't, then you know, yeah, 46 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: you're you're the guy that wasn't you know, because Ryan 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: Secrets was a lot of makeup all the time, and 48 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: you can tell when you see him, you like, well, 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: he weren't a low of makeup, but man, he looks good. 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Does look great? I'm gonna tell you, I don't. I 51 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: look great a lot of makeup I think everybody does. 52 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Early on and living here, one of the first times 53 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: I worked with a real hair and makeup team, I 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: asked them, who's the most naturally beautiful woman you've ever 55 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: worked on? Oh, that's a good question. And they looked 56 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: at each other and said to me, Oh, hold on, 57 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: I like to play this game, so is it an artist? Well, 58 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you the answer. Oh, you're taking 59 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: the game away, Okay, go ahead, there's no such thing. 60 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: That's that's a cop out answer. Well, I agree, but 61 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: it but it did. It does put things in perspective 62 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: for you because there is a lot of pressure. Um, 63 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: like you were saying about Amy feeling like she needs 64 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: to look a certain way, and if you're on camera 65 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: at all, you had you hopefully you have the benefit 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: of a professional team that you know. I had to 67 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: hire someone because again I was on camera. Yeah, and 68 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: it ain't cheat. Nope. Sometimes don't you wish you would 69 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: have gone into that? No? I don't. Yeah, I and 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: I have friends to do that, and I think we 71 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: all search for whatever fulfills us. That doesn't fulfill me. 72 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: But but when I do put on makeup, I always go, man, 73 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: I do look good, but it's a lot of work. Yeah. Well, 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: they know how to make your eyes pop, and they 75 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: can make you look ten pounds thin or real quick 76 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: some of that heavy duty contouring. Do you travel with 77 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: a makeup person at all? I don't you know. I've 78 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: had to learn to do my own well enough to 79 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: go on stage. I couldn't do it well enough for camera, 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: but I can do it pretty well um on STAF 81 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: just for my own shows. And makeup artists I work 82 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: with a lot gave me a few lessons and he 83 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: said to me, now, false eyelashes are tough, so don't 84 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: don't get frustrated. I grabbed that false eyelash and I 85 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: am not a hair and makeup girl. In total tomboy 86 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: popped it on first go, and he says, he steps back, 87 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: and he says, well, everybody's got a gift, we have 88 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: found yours. So do you wish maybe you would have 89 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: done that a little bit? Well, I don't love hair 90 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: and makeup, but when I get the bills, let's see 91 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: what they make a day. You know what's funny to 92 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: me about you is that because I'm a big fan 93 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: of your music. The way before I knew you, I 94 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: was just like, well, I was drawn to your music 95 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: because it's so like real life. It's like where I 96 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: come from, a really tiny, poor, poverty driven town in Arkansas. 97 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: It reminded me of home and my mom and my grandma. 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: And I would hear your music and I would say, wow, 99 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: she must be like like really sad all the time. 100 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: You're so delightful, Like every time I've met you, Like 101 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: I listened to your music and it like puts me 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: in this emotional place. But you're so delightful as a person. Oh, Bob, 103 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: how do your how are you both of these like 104 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: how do you pull this out of you? Well? I 105 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: think I am both of those things pretty equally, you know. 106 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of sadness I always have, 107 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, I put on my Twitter Born a little 108 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: broken Hearted. I've always been drawn to the broken hearted. 109 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: All from the time I was a little kid, I 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: loved a sad song. And you know, I think there 111 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: are just some people that are a little sad, and 112 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm one of those. And I'm also a lot happy. 113 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: You know, it is that balance. And and for me, 114 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: I grew up in a real small town in Washington 115 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: State and probably a lot like the town you're from 116 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: in Arkansas, just different accent and and and saw a 117 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of hardships and and had tough 118 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: things happened in my own family. And and I think 119 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: the way for me to deal with those things is 120 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: to channel them into my music. When I play this song, 121 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: and I played this one one of the more recent 122 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: ones from years that I that I really love. Ship, 123 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: three kids, no husband, right, just was my mom like 124 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: when you sing songs. And my mom died of drug 125 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: abuse in or forties, but again, for a long period 126 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: of time, it was me, my little sister, my mom 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: and her struggling but raising two kids by herself. And 128 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: maybe it's just that your music almost talked to my 129 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: selfish brain she's got. It wasn't three kids, I was two, 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: but it was like I was just it's like such 131 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: a real story in your songs. And then when I 132 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: meet you, you're always so awesome and I'm like, man, 133 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: is that the same person? It's this like Wizard of Oz. 134 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: Well I turned to I turned a corner as a songwriter. Um, 135 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: and I still remember the day, you know, when Nashville 136 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: there's so many songwriters and you want to impress your peers, 137 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: you know, you just you you love the because because 138 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: the same way you're talking about me and my what 139 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: my songs due to you? There are lots of songwriters 140 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: that they're did that for me, and I wanted to 141 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: write songs that would impress them. Who did that to you? Well, 142 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: oh man, just give me a couple to come off 143 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: the top of your head, like who would you see 144 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: and be like, wow, this is crazy that I am 145 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: either writing with or spending time with. Well, you know 146 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Mark Sanders, who was at the same publishing company as me. 147 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: But I hope you dance and that's to me, that's 148 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: one of best songs ever. And I would hear the 149 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: songs that Mark was turning in and mine were nowhere 150 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: near that. And I wanted to write songs that that 151 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: Mark would be impressed with. And um, and then you 152 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: know people people like Hillary Lindsay. When before I had hits, 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: Hillary Lindsay was having a ton of hits, and I 154 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: remember thinking, man, I wish my songs were as good 155 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: as Hillary Lindsay's. And I didn't even know her, you know, 156 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: and and different, but you know Don Schlitz. I worked 157 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: up above Don Schlitz in a building one time, and 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: I just wanted him to love uh well, I would 159 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: hope that he would love my songs one day. And 160 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and because a lot of those people wrote songs that 161 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: made me want to write songs. And it hit me 162 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: one day. I was I was going in to write, 163 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: and I went through the bank to make a deposit 164 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: and the girl that was the teller, I didn't know 165 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: anything about her, but I thought, for some reason, I 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: feel like it was like a god moment. I thought, 167 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: what would she write a song about? If she were 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: going to write a song, you know, what's her life? 169 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: And I started to pay more attention to my friends 170 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: that weren't songwriters, and even to my own self instead 171 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: of trying to write something that was going to impress somebody, right, 172 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: something that was that they were going to say, that's me, 173 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, like when you say you hear three kids 174 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: and it makes you think of your mom. I wrote 175 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: that with Lori McKenna. We did our job. If you 176 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: feel that, and I have people you know, it moved 177 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: me to tears when it happened. It might move me 178 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: to tears to talk about it now. But I was 179 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: playing a radio show in Jacksonville, Florida, and I came 180 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: off the stage and I was walking back to the 181 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: car to go to the hotel, and this young guy 182 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: who was probably chase me down and he said, I 183 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: just want you to know that that song you have 184 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: three kids, no husband, that's my mom. And you know 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: that's when I played that for her. You know, she 186 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: cried and I could tell that. I mean, it meant 187 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: everything to him, and and that wasn't my story growing up. 188 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: But but it was like, God, we have hit something 189 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: here that that hits people enough that this guy would 190 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: take his would chase me down a come down to 191 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: this little this little show I'm playing, and be chased 192 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: me me down to the car I'm getting in to 193 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: tell me this in tears when someone comes up to 194 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: you and tells you that something that you have created 195 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: has done something to their life. I mean, there's no 196 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: greater compliment than that. No, there's not. And then you know, 197 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: on the funny side, the funnier side of things, I'll 198 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: have women come up to me and they'll say, how 199 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: did you get into my diary? Like you know, with 200 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: songs that are a little bit more tongue in cheek, 201 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, how did you how did you find that 202 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: out about me? And both things, both things really hit me. 203 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: But you know, since you mentioned three kids, I thought 204 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: of that story and and just yeah, it's it's the 205 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: power of human emotion. I think you have just such 206 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: a great way to tell And again I heard song 207 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: the first time, I was like, man, this is like 208 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: my mom. And I think a lot of America, a 209 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: lot of rural America, feels like this is their mom 210 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: or their aunt ship cigarette out on the back. It's 211 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: like a hundred degrees in here? Can we make it 212 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: not a hundred degrees somehow? I don't know why it's 213 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: hundred degrees in here? Game of Company because it's a 214 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: hundred because you know, we got working out now we're 215 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: sitting in the shower and the sun of the steamer 216 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: and yeah, if that's what we want to call it, 217 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: then then fair enough. When you say you wanted to 218 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: write songs like the people to impress the people that 219 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: you want to jumpress, what was the first song you 220 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: wrote where you're like, man, this one is so good. 221 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: I want them to hear it. Pooh, you know, I 222 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: probably don't even remember it, and I'm sure it wasn't great, 223 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: because what I realized is when you think something's great, 224 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: it's it's usually not. It's when something's true for me. 225 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: Now you know now that I've written songs for a long, 226 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: long enough time and to know when I've a lot 227 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: of times when I really have something, a lot of 228 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: times it's when I don't want to play it for 229 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: anybody because it's so vulnerable that if somebody doesn't like it, 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: it's going to really hurt my feelings. That's usually when 231 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: I've written something really good. Tell me a song that's 232 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: really vulnerable that you were like, man, I'm so nervous 233 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: about putting this out. Oh that there's a song on 234 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: my record h called Since You've Gone to Heaven. My 235 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: new record, Big danis Small town and and that one, 236 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: to me is just real, real vulnerable for me because 237 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: it came from I lost my dad right before nine eleven, 238 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: and he was he was killed in a work accident 239 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and and and at the time, I remember it was 240 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: in July, and then of course happened in September, and 241 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: I remember watching the TV and still being really raw 242 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: in my own grief and then the whole country's grieving 243 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: and thinking, hand, since my dad has died, the world 244 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: was gone to hell, and thinking that's a song, but 245 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: it was too close to me to write it. And 246 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: then many many years later, I met um a great 247 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: friend and great collaborator, Shane mcinally, and he and I 248 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: were driving home from a gambling trip to Tunica one night, 249 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: and I said, I've always wanted to write this song 250 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: called since You've Gone to Heaven the Whole World has 251 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: Gone to Hell, and he just loved it. And I said, 252 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: but it's just there's just no hope in it, and 253 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: he said, I don't. I don't think it matters that 254 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: there's no hope in it, Like I think we should 255 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: just write it. And so we did. And and so 256 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: even though not all of that's true, that you know, 257 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: we drew from both of our experiences. It's very vulnerable 258 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: to me and very you know it's sad, and you 259 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to put yourself out in that 260 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: sad sort of way. You're a sad kid. I've never been. 261 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been what people would say, 262 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: oh she's sad, you know. I think people, I hope 263 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 1: most people feel like you do, like, oh she's delightful. 264 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: When I meet you, when I hear your music, I 265 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: think she's me. I love sad songs like I'm in 266 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: love with sad song, my favorite song, as You're Sad 267 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: and when I and I think that's what draws me 268 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: to you, not that they're sad, but that they're so 269 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: vulnerable and authentic feeling. And a lot of life is sad. 270 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: I always say life's a dark comedy, you know, and 271 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: and um, you know when you say vulnerable. A great 272 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: piece of advice I got from a great songwriter when 273 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: I first moved to town was a guy named Richard Lee, 274 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: and he wrote Don't Make My Brown Eyes Blue and 275 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: many many, many hits. And he said to me, right 276 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: what you don't want anybody to know about you? Because 277 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: some everybody else feels that you know, and that's what 278 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy to hear you talk like that as a songwriter, 279 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: because I tried to do in radio and I tried 280 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: on my book. Was like when I wrote this this 281 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: book right, and I was like, man, I'm really putting 282 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: stuff in here that I don't think anyone will understand. 283 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: Substance these problems that I went through my mom and 284 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: her dying, and there's a lot in there, and I 285 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: was like, no one's gonna relate to this, and nobody's 286 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: gonna relate to this. And I found that so many 287 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: people came up to me and we're like, man, that's 288 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: exactly seven eight percent off, butw my life is. And 289 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: I was stunned because I didn't think anybody I felt 290 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: so alone, and by putting my soul alone out there, 291 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: I never had felt more like a group as I 292 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: grew up with something, If that makes sense totally. I 293 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: think that's why singers like I mean, my favorite singer 294 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: of all time is Patsy Klein, but I would compare 295 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Adele to her in that when you hear them sing 296 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: and there's an ache in their voice, you feel less 297 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: alone in whatever it is. It makes you ache, you know, 298 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's why we like to hear those 299 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: things on repeat. Now, maybe not everybody as much as 300 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: is as much of a glutton for punishment as you 301 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: or me, I am sure, Like, what's your favorite sad 302 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: song of all time? You think like I can put 303 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Everybody Hurts some r M on and just put it 304 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: on a repeat. Oh yeah, and just just take it 305 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: in and just lay there and take it. Makes me 306 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: feel not good, but it makes me feel like somebody 307 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: also understands sometimes. And I don't feel like I'm a 308 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: sad person, like I've really seen that way, but you know, 309 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: some people who are real sad are real happy. I 310 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: feel like I find trying to find love in weird places. 311 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't think I got a lot of love from 312 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: the traditional I didn't have a dad, and my mom 313 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: was always in trouble, you know, jail or drugs, and 314 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: so I use performance in order to find some sort 315 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: of love. And so for me, look what you're doing 316 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: to me? Now, what's happening? Why? What? Why are you 317 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: doing this? This is not about me? Well know that 318 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: you know another really really one of my mentors and 319 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: people I looked up to two is a guy named 320 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: Rory Burke and great songwriter. And I remember him telling 321 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: me anybody who wants to do this that has they 322 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: have a hole inside of them that will never be filled, 323 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and they think it's going to be filled by applause. 324 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of truth to that. 325 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: And I feel like I had an idyllic childhood. You know, 326 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: I had two parents who love I always say my 327 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: parents were three percent parents And what does that mean, 328 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: Like they gave it three you know, not a hundred, 329 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: not even percent. I don't ever remember a game that 330 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: they weren't there. They would take my brother and I 331 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: to music lessons that were thirty five miles away one way. 332 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: Um My dad would get up at three in the 333 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: morning to go to work, but he never There was 334 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: never time that I asked him to come out and 335 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: shoot baskets with me that he didn't. And so I 336 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: don't have I can't say that I had a a bad, 337 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: like a hard childhood in that way. Um, I did 338 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: have lost you know, I lost my dad and I 339 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: lost both of my grandparents who were real important to 340 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: me in a four year period. Um, but I was 341 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: also a little bit older. But I still think that 342 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: those kinds of things are deep hurts that don't that 343 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: don't really go away. I think I played since You 344 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Having on my radio show because I just know it 345 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: from something I came in and played it after after Orlando. 346 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: That's what it is. Because I'm like, you're telling the story. 347 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know the song and telling me the 348 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: story about it. But I'm like, no, I know this 349 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: song came and played on the show. It was a 350 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: somber day spoke. It was just walk in and play it. 351 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: And there was this weird like deja vu that what 352 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about this song? And I'm because I'm trying 353 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: to turn it up, and I was like, I know 354 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: what this is, and now listen. I listened to the 355 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: record a hundred time. If there was I love this song. 356 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Now now I know why I love love it because 357 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: you can't have played it right in front of me. Yeah, 358 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: this is really good, Brandy Clarks. Here, let me talk 359 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: about one Flowers for a second. 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The band Perry. 385 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: There's this song he wrote this one right here, dark song, 386 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: then a dark love flowers like you even make love 387 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: songs dark. You know what's so funny is when we 388 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: when we wrote this, I wrote that with Trevor Rosen 389 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: and Shane McNally, and Trevor said we should title it. 390 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: It was called put Me in the Ground. Originally the 391 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: band Perry changed the name, which was really smart, but 392 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: Trevor said we should call it put Me in the 393 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Ground and in parentheses a love songs. Well, I'm okay 394 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: they changed the name of the song. They did, Yeah, 395 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: they asked us first, I've never heard of that. So okay, 396 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: you write the song, you give them uh whole what'd 397 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: you call it? Originally? Um, put me in the Then 398 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: you give them put Me in the Ground. They hear 399 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: the who saying the demo, Casey Musgrave saying the demo. 400 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: So they hear Casey sing the demo, They're like, we 401 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: want the song. They come to you and say would 402 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: it be okay? And if you say no, do they Well, 403 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: I don't understand the process of changing the title of 404 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: a song. You know, at the time None of us 405 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: cared what it was called as long as they cut it, 406 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: you know. Um. And they also asked Crazy to ask 407 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: for an for a new verse the day before they 408 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: went in to record it. They wanted, you guys right 409 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: another verse and UM. I remember I was sitting at 410 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel with Shane and we called Trevor and over 411 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: the phone we wrote that last verse. And I'm really 412 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: glad because it made it better and and they had 413 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: the foresight to know that it would. Um, but yeah, 414 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: we did. We we we jumped through a lot of 415 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: hoops for that one. Whenever you cut the demo to this, 416 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: was it as violent? It was? It was? Yeah, the 417 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: records very close to the demo is it's pretty and 418 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: it's a song. I mean, of course it wasn't you know. 419 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: It was a demo, so she couldn't be quite what 420 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: was probably more than dollars And it's been a long time, 421 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: but uh, but it was pretty pretty aggressive, you feel like, Um, yes, 422 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: I did. In fact, I fought really hard to keep 423 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: holding it for the band Perry because other people wanted 424 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: it and I felt like it was I did feel 425 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: like it was a big song and I don't know, 426 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: I don't know why I felt it. I just did. 427 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was really different. And it's a different 428 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: way to tell a love story, which is it feels 429 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: like every love song, every way you can tell a 430 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: love story has been told until someone else held a 431 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: new way. Isn't that crazy? Because you said, and you 432 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: try to write something, love you if it's a poem, 433 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: if it's a story, if it's a song, and you're like, man, 434 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: every love song has ever been written. Then all of 435 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, someone comes out of nowhere with a brand 436 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: new angle, and you're like, how did I not think 437 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: of that? I know, and I remember thinking that. When 438 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I heard this song, I was like, Wow, darkest coolest 439 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: love song ever. Dark is coolest love song ever. I 440 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: love that. So you write a better dick too. And 441 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: the first time you heard when when you heard their 442 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: version of it, we're like, man, this is a jam, 443 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: Like did you know it would be a single? They 444 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: give you that thing like we want to cut it. Well, 445 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: it was between that and a and a couple other 446 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: songs for the single and the crazy thing. The first 447 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: time I heard it was on the c M as 448 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: Trevor and I got to go to the c M 449 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: as that year are As cap Reps took us as 450 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: their dates and so we got to hear it live 451 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: that first time. Did They did not play play it 452 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: for you first? They hadn't yet. No, I mean it 453 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: was that new. It was one of those situations and 454 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: they held it for man, I want to say, eighteen months. 455 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: But then they held a song for a year and 456 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: a half that I didn't drive you insane? Well it did, 457 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: and it was through a couple of producers because it 458 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: started out they were working with Frank Ladelle and they 459 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: held it what's Miranda Frankly, Yes, Miranda Lambert's producer, great guy, 460 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: and and so they were they were working with him. 461 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: Then they cut a record with Rick rubinste everybody everybody, Yeah, 462 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: and it wasn't cut with that. Well, then they were 463 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: cutting they were gonna cut four singles with Dan huff 464 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: is the way I remember it, and that was one 465 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: of them. And so I didn't know, None of us 466 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: knew if it would be the single or not. We 467 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: found out it would be. They performed it on the 468 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: c M as. I feel like it went for ads 469 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: the next week. You know, something thrill to go watch 470 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: your song for the first time at them. Yes, it 471 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: was a huge thrill. There's a great picture of me 472 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: and Trevor like and we just look like little kids 473 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: hugging each other so excited over it. When you're watching them, 474 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: do that, are you kind of like, Okay, I can 475 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: pay my rent for a bit more? You get that 476 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: feeling like for me, that was the That was the 477 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: first hit I had, and I've had a lot of 478 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: things that were supposed to be hits. I do remember thinking, 479 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: for once, it's going to be easy, you know, because 480 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I would get songs on artists, a lot of newer artists, 481 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: and my mom would call radio stations, you know, trying 482 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: to get him to play at all that. And and 483 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: I remember her telling me that she had looked on 484 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: the media check ad list and couldn't find it because 485 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: it was at the top of the you know. And 486 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: she said, what do you think that means? Since I said, 487 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: I think it means it's gonna be easy for once. 488 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: But it almost wasn't because it was terrible. Um, the 489 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: song came out so November, the song comes so released 490 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: right around then. Well then we had that terrible Sandy 491 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: Hook school shooting. It hurt the song, but it was 492 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Holidays in the charts frozen. The song was able to 493 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: recover after the first of the year. But I thought, 494 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: oh no, not only was this a terrible tragedy, but 495 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: it's going to kill my song if something like that happens. 496 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: And I guess I should know this because I work 497 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: in radio, but I don't work in the programming side 498 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: of it like I work in the Let me try 499 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: to talk and say funny things or say things, but 500 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: they just want to They'll stop doing songs about death. Period. 501 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: They stopped. They stopped playing it for a couple of weeks. 502 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: Anything that had to do with that, yeah, wow. And 503 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: so and I had heard of songs getting getting you know, 504 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: getting killed for lack of a better word, over things 505 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: like the Oklahoma City bombing, and you know, things that 506 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: were of a darker nature. Um, just because they don't 507 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: want to offend anyone at that point. And I understand 508 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: that I'm not on that decision level. I didn't even 509 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I just remember seeing all of 510 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: a sudden it was down four spins overnight, you know, like, 511 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: oh no, because they just chopped it and that came back, 512 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: came back with it. Yeah, So how about this one 513 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: right here, Mom is broken heart. So yes with Kasey 514 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: Musgraves and Shane mcinalan and him. You know, I'm seeing 515 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: a theme here with with you and Shane. Yeah, you guys. 516 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: You guys write last songs together. By the way, Shane's 517 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: been in and Shane Shane, I've been on the road together. 518 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: I love Shane. Shane's amazing. Shane is one of the 519 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: most talented humans I've ever met. Why what what separates him? Well, 520 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, just take away his talent as a singer 521 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and a writer, and you know, he's just he's got 522 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: great commercial instinct A and but I think Shane, in 523 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: my opinion, Shane's biggest talent. Why he's able to have 524 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: so many hits with so many different people. I believe 525 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: he brings out the best in everyone. You know, when 526 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: you're in a room with Shane, you're you're gonna get 527 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: the best you and I and I. That's not just me, 528 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of people. And he's a very 529 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: generous collaborator. You never feel stupid to say anything in 530 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: front of him, you know. And and I think that's huge. 531 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: And I think he can see talent in a very 532 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: raw stage. And and I was just telling somebody the 533 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: other day about Shane. One of my favorite things about 534 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: him is it doesn't matter who doesn't believe, he keeps believing. 535 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people are real fickle. They'll 536 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: believe in something until they hear a lot of nose 537 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: or you know, that's not gonna work. If Shane believes 538 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: in it, he just believes in it. And I've been 539 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be one of those people that he 540 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: really believed in when I had nothing going on, and 541 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: he he's just he just can see it. Tell me 542 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: about the song, you guys, sit down, How does the 543 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: idea come about? So that was an idea. Shane actually 544 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: had that idea for a long time. He wanted to 545 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: write a song called at your mom is Something. He 546 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't know what the something was, and I remember saying, man, 547 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: hold that for me, please, because I get what that means. 548 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know what the something was either, 549 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: but I love that, like you know, an ancient mamas whatever. 550 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: And uh So, he and Casey and I were writing 551 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: one day and and Shane was talking about his sister 552 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: going through this breakup and how she wasn't handling it. 553 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: The way that her mom thought she ought to And 554 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: I said, maybe that could be that anc your mama's whatever. 555 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: And we just started throwing it around, and I do 556 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: I don't remember who said broken heart, but I do 557 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: remember everybody thinking that wasn't um it wasn't different enough. 558 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: But we ended up on it and and it was 559 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: a very you know as a We wrote it in 560 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: a day, and it was remember it was a We 561 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: really fought to make it as good as it could 562 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: could be. And and I thought, you know, this good song, 563 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: and I think Shane thought the same thing. And Casey 564 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: really really felt something with that song. And she went 565 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: home and she did some did like a two guitar 566 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: tracks and some handclaps, and sent the the sent it 567 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: to Shane and I and it it was then it 568 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: sort of was like, oh wow, this is really something, 569 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: and and she was going to she did record it 570 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: for her first record, and then Miranda recorded it and 571 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: she ended up singing on the Miranda version, and the 572 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: rest is history. To sit in a room with people, 573 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: is there something about actually having the idea. Okay, it's 574 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: a co write or there are three of you, but 575 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: if you come in with the idea and everyone's like, 576 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: that's a great idea. Is there a little bit of 577 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: like you feel pride that you were able to bring 578 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the idea in that everyone's working on. Oh I think so. Yeah. 579 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's you know, I'll tell you it's 580 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: it's for me. It's hard to get to be as 581 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: into somebody else's idea, conceptual ideas it is my own. 582 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that is pretty common. So 583 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: when someone else says an idea that really hits you 584 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: in the same way. For me, if I say an 585 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: idea it really hit somebody. I know, it's good because 586 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, it's it's good enough that whatever they 587 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: whatever their ideas are, they want to jump on on 588 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: this um. But it's also I mean, the idea. I 589 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: think the idea is a huge portion of it. But 590 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: the way somebody else sees the idea different from you 591 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: can be what unlocks it. Have You got someone bringing 592 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: an idea and the idea was great, and you finished 593 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: the song and the two or three and you feel like, man, 594 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't idea And I didn't really think contribute as 595 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: much as they did and we finished the song. Oh yeah, 596 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean, and you kind of feelt guilty because you're like, man, 597 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: I know I'm a third of this song, but it 598 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: wasn't my idea, nor did I really well the other way. Yeah, 599 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: I've had days where I don't. I don't usually I 600 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: don't feel guilty when that happens, because then there are 601 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: days where where you know, I was talking about Rory 602 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: Burke earlier, he told me some days your biggest job 603 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: as a co writer is just to keep somebody in 604 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: the room who's really on it that day. And so 605 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: I've been both things. I've been somebody keeping somebody in 606 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: the room, and then I've been that person who's really 607 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: driving the train. And probably nine of the song is me. 608 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: So I think it all equals out what I What 609 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't. What I do feel real bad about is 610 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: when somebody throws out a great idea and you don't 611 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: nail it. And I've been known to say to that person, 612 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: look if it's just me, and then in fact it 613 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: happened recently. I feel like I did not bring anything 614 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: to this. If you want to take it and write 615 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: it with somebody else, do it. And it happened in 616 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: this guy. He then called me later on and said, 617 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: are you sure, And I said, I'm sure because to me, 618 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: that's karmically bad, you know. I mean, it's just some 619 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: ideas are great and they need to be written as 620 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: great as they are. And so if I'm not the 621 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: right person, then by all means right it with someone else. 622 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna keep all names out of this story. 623 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: And the artist isn't even in our format. But there's 624 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: an artist and he cut a song by one of 625 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: my buddies and he changed one word. I was like, 626 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: I want to be a co writer because I'm changing 627 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: one word. It seemed to me like the artist changed 628 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: the word just to be a co writer of the 629 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: song one word. If someone does or has done that, 630 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: how do you react to that? Because he's he was like, 631 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, Okay, it's a major artists. 632 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: It's not a yeah, well yeah, I think you have to. 633 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: I think it is. But if since we're since we're 634 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: talking hypothetically, we'll use we'll use artists that are outside 635 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: of country. If Adele did that to me, i'd let 636 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: her cut it, you know. And you know what it was, 637 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: somebody is so big that I think that had a 638 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: factor into why now I'd probably lose a lot of respect, 639 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: you know. I know, And I've always thought, man, she 640 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: was brave. Is I've always heard that Elvis wanted to 641 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: cut I Will Always Love You, but he wanted to 642 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: be he wanted to be listed that he's either as 643 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: a writer, or he wanted Dolly's publishing. I don't remember 644 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: what it was. But she wouldn't do it, and I've 645 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: I've always thought, man, that was a brave, brave move 646 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: that Ellis like, how ballsy do? And that's why dollarsy Dolly. 647 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: If you're that ballsy, you're either Dolly or you're just 648 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: you end up not making it because it was the 649 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: d that's crazy. So anyone done that to you or 650 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, that's code word and we want some 651 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: some of this this song any credit. I really never 652 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I've never experienced that. I do think in Nashville that 653 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: songwriters get a lot more respect than in some other towns. 654 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: It's weird too, because songwriter friends of mine in California 655 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: they split their percentages up a way differently than the 656 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: Nashville split. Like generally speaking, if you write a song 657 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: with three people, it's everybody gets a third of the song. 658 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: It's not like that with anyone that writes. I have 659 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: to get five percent of us. All. Well, and I 660 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: was out, I went out before the Grammys, and I 661 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: was in l A for a month and and had 662 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: the opportunity to write with some people out there, and 663 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: and one guy was explaining these song camps to me 664 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: that they do where there might be fifteen people and 665 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: they might be just for there might be three people 666 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: in five different rooms, but everybody has everything of everything, 667 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 1: not everything, but they split it up fifteen. Wait, that's 668 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: why they're that's why I'm pop songs. You see so 669 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: many writers, was he was. That's why he was explaining 670 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: it to me. Now, I've never written for the pop market. 671 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: And and that's just one one guy's version of it. 672 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: But he's very successful, so I would guess that he 673 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: knows what's going on. So I'm trying to picture this. 674 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: There are fifteen people and they're all in these different 675 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: rooms writting all these different songs, so when they leave, 676 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: everybody's attached to every song. Yes, that's the way he 677 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: explained it to me, Like heub lit a song camp. Okay, 678 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: so like a writer's retreat, let's say in our format, Yeah, exactly. 679 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: I can give you a fine example. At the time, 680 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: I wish that would have been the case. So when 681 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: when Casey Musgraves was making her first record, there were 682 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: five of us that went on a retreat. It was myself, Shane, 683 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: Josh Osborne, Luke Layard, and Casey and we decided the 684 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: way we would do it as two people would write 685 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: with Casey and then the other two would write while 686 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: while three people were writing. So the first we drew 687 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: we drew names in a hat. So the first the 688 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: first trio was Aush and Shaney, Casey and Luke and 689 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: I were stairs. So Luke and I write this fun 690 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: song called I Drink to Get Drunk. We come downstairs 691 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: and Shane and Casey and Josh have written Bear Go Around. 692 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: So I mean, I would have loved to have had 693 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: my name on that, just for being up there messing 694 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: around with Luke write and Drink to Get Drunk. That's funny. 695 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: I mean it stinks, that's awesome, It stinks in an 696 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: awesome way. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean we 697 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: were blown away by what they had done. Did you 698 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: want to have like when you're one of those retreats 699 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: where it's off all you guys. You listen all the songs, 700 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: even the ones you didn't write. Not always, I mean 701 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: I think they were just really they knew they had 702 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: something really cool, and so so they wanted to play 703 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: it for us. We didn't play our song for them. 704 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: He didn't play drink to get drunk for them? How 705 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: about this? And I can remember, I'll play because you 706 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: wrote this one, follow you my favorite song. I got 707 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: in trouble because I played every hour one day, just 708 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: did NonStop because nobody played ready just wouldn't play it. 709 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, squirt, I'm gonna play every 710 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: hour that it was. Listen. I can't in a little 711 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: a little too rambunctious, but I was just I was 712 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: playing it constantly, and I loved this song, and I 713 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: hated that radio didn't embrace it. And it made me 714 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: so upset that radio didn't embrace this song and it 715 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like this monster hit as a writer. Did you 716 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: Were you angry at the establishment in any way for 717 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: not accepting something that really was a fantastic in every way? Well, 718 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, I try not to get too angry. I 719 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: get I can get angry every things. I when I 720 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of when I when I got angry, not angry, 721 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: but when when I would just kind of throw my 722 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: hands up. Is I can play songs I've had that 723 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: are hits. You played a couple of them minute ago. 724 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: When I play that, it's like I've written Bridge over 725 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: Troubled Water, you know. And so there was I mean 726 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: things to people like you who played it every hour 727 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: somehow got out there and it's just a good song. 728 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: I mean, thank you and uh so, I mean I 729 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: was very disappointed, yeah that it that it wasn't a hit, 730 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: but um but it did still reach people, so that's 731 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: a that's a good thing. And it was CM a 732 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: Song of the Year. I guess. I think it's the 733 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: lowest charting song to ever be a Song of the Year. 734 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: I was shocked by that, genuinely were shot shot shocked. 735 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: Um had didn't expect at all. You know. Usually you 736 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: sit there when you're nominated for something and I never 737 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: get nervous until they read the nominees. And that's the 738 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: one that's usually when I think, oh, wow, we could win. 739 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't think that. When I don't, I 740 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: do not remember. Um wow, I can't remember when they 741 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: say following your era, though, like you were just confused. 742 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: It was just like what you know, I mean, jumped 743 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: up and down and was excited. But yeah, it didn't 744 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: hit me. It's still sometimes I forget, like I'll be 745 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: talking about, well, you know they wrote see they wrote 746 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: see him a song of the year, and then I'll think, oh, well, 747 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: I mean, so did I you know, because it just 748 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem real and it doesn't seem like to me, 749 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a song of the year type song, 750 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: you know, like Humble and Kind was. Except okay, let 751 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: me I counterpoint that for a second. Why I think 752 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: it does seem like a song of the year because 753 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: it has a message. You're right, it does have that. 754 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: So maybe sonically to you, I don't know why you 755 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: would think it's that song because well, I mean, or 756 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: the charting position. No, you know, what it was is 757 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: I always think of song of the years as like 758 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: Humble and Kind that was just song of the year. 759 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 1: I drive your truck, girl crush. Yeah, it's they're usually ballads, 760 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: That's really what it is because balance a lot of 761 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: times the message they are able to get out because 762 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,959 Speaker 1: they're slower and you hear the words. Look, I'm glad 763 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: it was a song of the Year. You know, congrats. 764 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I have a couple other cases songs that 765 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: um and I'm like, as far as current artist, god 766 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: in case is my favorite current artist, like period. So 767 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: just so, you wrote this babies, and you wrote this 768 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: with her and Shaney dandies. When you guys get together, 769 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, let's just put out, let's make another hit. 770 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: Here we go together here a lot of idea throwing out, 771 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, and that came from follow your Arrow, came 772 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: from something that was said while we were writing it. 773 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: And this one, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to depart such 774 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: a good song. Oh, Confetty, we're already falling into the 775 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of your stuff now 776 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: as an artist. So how about I have so many 777 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: songs here that I just love. Let's just go, let's 778 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: stay rety current. I forget how much like Till the Party. 779 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: Oh it's such a I know, it's such a great 780 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: song and it's dreaming, but it's like I get when 781 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: you finally get it, you get it if that make it, 782 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: like I think forever, I just didn't understand because I 783 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: never had anybody that I was like but then once 784 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: you finally find somebody that it doesn't matter, that song 785 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: makes more sense. Yeah that's true, because you may not, 786 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: because I don't think the first time I heard it, 787 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's a cool song. It's a 788 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: nice love song. I met someone and I was like, 789 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: I finally get it, like nothing else kind of matters, 790 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: Like we're kind of the only thing that matters to 791 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: us in this little circle right now. That's so that's 792 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: a great feeling. And so yeah, there's something about like 793 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: all your music is so real. I just wonder where 794 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: it comes from. Love can go to hell, Love can 795 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: go to him so angry, every sad and frustrate, isn't happy, 796 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: And like I hear all of this coming about the song. 797 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting I was talking about how 798 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: an interesting point back to what we were talking about 799 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: earlier with collaboration, how that was my idea. But I 800 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: heard it like love can go to hell, like hell 801 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: in a handbasket, like fall apart. And I said it 802 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: to Scott stepakof my co writer, and he loved it. 803 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, it's like love can go to hell, 804 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: like you tell him love off. I was like, man, 805 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: I didn't hear it like that, and that's awesome, Like, 806 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: let's do both of those things. And I think that's 807 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: the beauty in it. And then you know, I have 808 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: to have to tip my hat to Jay Joyce on 809 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: that who produced it. He it was a straight up 810 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: ballad and he he produced it in a way that 811 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: made it move and it made it more interesting and 812 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: made it sonically as as great as I think it 813 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: is lyrically. Girl next Door. This was the first song 814 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: on the new project came out. It was the first 815 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: song I heard from the new project, was the first single, 816 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: y'all Out, y'all favor Oh you Out? That's one to 817 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: me when it came it sounded sounds like a different 818 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: than other stuff that I heard you do before. Did 819 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: you feel like it was? Well, see, it's funny. And 820 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,959 Speaker 1: I did have a few people that were like, oh, 821 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: Brandy's gone pop and I never heard pop. Yeah, yeah 822 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean, it doesn't sound pop to me either. 823 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: But it had a few people, a few fans who 824 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: were mad um, but they got they got over it. 825 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: But it didn't feel that different to me. But it's 826 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: probably because I had lived with it for a long 827 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: time and I didn't think it was all that different 828 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: from like Stripes off of my first record, But when 829 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: I listened to it, it's like, oh, yeah it is. 830 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: It is different, and but it was different when it 831 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: was written. It wasn't like we went in and said, oh, 832 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: let's make this, let's make it this, let's make it 833 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: more aggressive for radio. It was that's also very close 834 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: to the demo. Um it's just just what the song 835 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: was talking about stripes, because I love stripes. That dragger 836 00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: not off anywhere. There's no crown fashion fashion. They only 837 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: thanks saving is that I don't look good. I mean 838 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,760 Speaker 1: you smile Like I played it and you started smiling. Yeah, 839 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,240 Speaker 1: I love it because it's that it's tongue in cheek 840 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 1: and and I always say, like, I think women there's 841 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about women not being represented 842 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: enough on the radio and things like that. I feel 843 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: like as women were lucky because we can paint with 844 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: a female colors like a man could never even joke 845 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: about that. I'm gonna shoot you no, you know, just 846 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be funny. But I think it's just I 847 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 1: think about making the video, how fun that was, And 848 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: it's still a fun song to play every night. People 849 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 1: people love that song, so you're not right now with Charlie. 850 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: So when you're playing, and do you play into the 851 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: songs that you wrote and didn't record. I haven't been 852 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: much on this tour, but I but I definitely do 853 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: sometimes and if somebody really like I played a show 854 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: in UM in Annapolis and my guitar player was sick, 855 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: and so it was just me and so I came 856 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: out and I played the first three songs and then 857 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I'm on my own tonight. Whatever you 858 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 1: all want to hear, I'm gonna play. And the first 859 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: thing somebody said to swallow your arrow, So I played 860 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 1: it um if somebody, If somebody really wants to hear 861 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: something that I've written for someone else, I'll do it. 862 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: But this tour has mostly been me playing the two 863 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: records I have, and then also I placed a lot 864 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: of songs that influenced me to write. We have a 865 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: portion of the set. I always have Charlie come back 866 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: out and he and I go back and forth and 867 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: play we have a theme like the other night, and 868 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: he'll call out the theme. Chest Hair Country was the theme, 869 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: and so he played Conway Twitty song and then I 870 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: played a Dolly song. I said, you know, she just 871 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. She doesn't have a chest. I don't think 872 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: there's any hair on it, but you know, so we 873 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: just start doing that kind of stuff. So it's a 874 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: lot of that and then our own stuff because we've 875 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: had Shane's sat therefore and Charlie sat there before, so 876 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: and I and I know both of them relatively well, 877 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: considering how I don't know really anybody. But how good 878 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: is Charlie? Like, isn't he He's wonderful? You know. The 879 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: other night he played Sweet Music Man and it made 880 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: me cry. That's one of one of my favorite songs. 881 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: And I told him when he was done, and I 882 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: wasn't saying it for the audience's benefit. I mean I 883 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: got lost in it, and I I said, that's one 884 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite renditions of that I've ever heard. I mean, 885 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: he's just he's such a not I mean, he's not 886 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: a great guitar player. He's a tasteful master guitar player 887 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: in my opinion. You know what he chooses to play, 888 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: it's beyond great. That wouldn't be a good adjective to 889 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: describe his guitar playing and then his singing is like 890 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: John Randall Vince Gill, like that high, pure vocal sound 891 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: that that not a lot of men have. And it's 892 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: just it's real special. Talk to me about because you 893 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: asked me what day? What time my day started? Like 894 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 1: your life, let's say, when you're in town. Well, hopefully 895 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: it starts out at the gym. It doesn't always a 896 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: little bit that like gym morning, gym today. It didn't 897 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: because I I've been on the road so much and 898 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: I haven't had a real day off in a long time. 899 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: But I don't have a lot of time here. So 900 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: when I'm here I like to write, and so I 901 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: went and wrote. Um. I usually start writing it like 902 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: ten eleven up, usually eight and and honestly, i'd wake 903 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: up earlier, but I have to stay in some sort 904 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: of a road rhythm because a lot of times I 905 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: go on at like nine thirty and so you got 906 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: your wine down after that. I'm sure you know about that. 907 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: You're Oh, it kills me. My schedule flip flops because 908 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: I'll go on at ten fifteen sometimes and I'll do 909 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: an hour and fifteen minutes or so by the time 910 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: i'm bed it's one m and I wake up at 911 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: three am, So how do you do? You just start 912 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: drinking coffee. Not I don't drink any coffee. Oh, I 913 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 1: just hurt. I'm in a perpetual sleepiness. It's a fog 914 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: and the only time it ever lifts during the entire 915 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: years on vacation. I literally hit a wall today because 916 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: I've been going NonStop since January. Want to say, may 917 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: something I don't know and I just fele like from 918 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: l A and so I hit a wall today for 919 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: the first time, which is like, oh, because my schedule flips. 920 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 1: Just like you're talking about, you have to get into 921 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: your groove, so you try to time yourself to still 922 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: wake up around the right time. Yeah, like tomorrow we're 923 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: driving to Athens tonight. Bus calls at midnight, and tomorrow 924 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: I'll get up at eight and I'll write, you know, 925 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: because I try to write on the road. Sometimes I'll 926 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: do skypewriting the protince with how do you feel about this? 927 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: This skype writes? Do you feel like you can get 928 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 1: good stuff out of that? Written? Anything? For you know, 929 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: for a short time you know it's it's not. I've 930 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: learned to treat it like um, like okay, we've got 931 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,439 Speaker 1: an hour versus the way you sit down and write 932 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,919 Speaker 1: in Nashville, where you have several hours and just get 933 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: start sketching something out. But but I've also decided to 934 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 1: take the road and force myself to write more by myself, 935 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: because I used to do that more and even a 936 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of songs I've co written, I started out by 937 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: getting down a road a little ways by myself. And 938 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, you've got to this road 939 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: thing you're you're in it now and if you want 940 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: to live in both worlds, and because for me artistically, 941 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: there's nothing for me without songwriting. And so it's like 942 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: I've got to and I find myself I get a 943 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: little depressed if I'm not writing. So okay, you just 944 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: gotta make it work. If it's in the back of 945 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,760 Speaker 1: the bus, if it's in a dirty locker room, wherever 946 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: it is, carve out the time and do that, and 947 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: my head space is better. When why why do you 948 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: feel like you have to write? I just think I 949 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: need it. I feel like therapy because I spent a 950 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: lot of time with therapy. Sime with therapy. Yeah, okay, 951 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,399 Speaker 1: So do you feel like it's another form of that 952 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 1: I feel you know what I feel like. I feel 953 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,279 Speaker 1: like it's that, but more than that, I feel like 954 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: it's exercise because I believe that we're all given a 955 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: certain number of really great ideas a year, and it's 956 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: kind of like you got to go to practice to 957 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: play in the game, and if you're not, if you're 958 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: if your chops aren't great, you'll mess up that idea. 959 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: You won't give it what it needs. So to me, 960 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: it's it's more like practice, like going to practice every 961 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: day and staying sharp, because if I don't, I notice 962 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,280 Speaker 1: it when I come back into town and I write, 963 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: I noticed that I'm not really on my game because 964 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: I haven't been I haven't been doing it. But if 965 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: I'm doing it every day, even if it's just for 966 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: an hour, I notice the difference. Once the last time 967 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: we walked into it right, and you're like, well, I'm 968 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of nervous to write with this person because I 969 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: want to say something stupid. Oh man years, because if 970 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I quit, I quit walking in like that, 971 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 1: because it's if if you can't say something stupid, you're 972 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,760 Speaker 1: not going to say something great. I mean, Bob Dupiro 973 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: have at Boba pierro On. Yet, oh you should get him. 974 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,319 Speaker 1: I mean, he'll have you in stitches a But he's 975 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: just he's just a genius and a master craftsman. And 976 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,760 Speaker 1: he always says, really stupid and really great are about 977 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: quarter of a million dollars apart. And that's true. You know, 978 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: if you can't say, hey, this is stupid, but and 979 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 1: not even if you need to get to a point 980 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: where you don't even have to say this is stupid, 981 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: but you just say it. And then if you're in 982 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: the right room, if you're in the room with the 983 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: right person, they get it and they know how to 984 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: turn it. And to me, now, if I'm afraid to 985 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: say something, I'm in the I shouldn't be in that room. 986 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: What about people when they come in with you. Let's 987 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: get the first time writing with you, and you can 988 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: see that there may be a little intimidated. I always 989 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,720 Speaker 1: just say, you know, don't be afraid to say anything 990 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: to me. And because if they're if they're nervous, then 991 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: I get nervous, like, oh, they expect me to be 992 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: something that I'm not. And and anybody like I'm talking 993 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: about all these talented people like we were talking about 994 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: Shane it is eight, but also he shows up. I mean, 995 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: that's really what it is is people who show up 996 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: again and again. Harlan Howard, who's to me one of 997 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: the best songwriters of all time. I saw an interview 998 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: with him where he said I didn't write better songs, 999 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: I just wrote more of them. And I think there's 1000 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,760 Speaker 1: something to that, even I mean I'm not real fast, 1001 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: but just being in that that constant motion of output 1002 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: and input. You gotta input. I mean, you were sitting 1003 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: here talking about your book, and I'm like, I need 1004 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: to read his book because I get so many ideas 1005 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,759 Speaker 1: from books. I constantly make myself read. And if I'm 1006 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: not um, if I feel like I have nothing during 1007 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: that time that I would spend writing, I'll make myself read. 1008 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: So you draw a lot of inspiration because I felt 1009 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: you're driving to the bank, like that's still resonating with me. 1010 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: You're thinking what song would she write? You do that 1011 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: with things you read and people in places, and you'll 1012 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: try to put yourself to where where they're thinking their perspective. Yeah, 1013 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,839 Speaker 1: and I think. I mean my first publisher told me that, 1014 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: and at the time I didn't know how to take it, 1015 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: but it was such a compliment looking back, told me that, 1016 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, most songwriters have either the gift of melody 1017 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,400 Speaker 1: or the gift of lyric, and she said, your gift 1018 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,840 Speaker 1: is empathy. She's like, you can empathize better than anyone 1019 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: I've ever known, Like you can when you write something, 1020 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: it's like you've lived it. And at the time, I thought, well, 1021 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: damn you want to I want to be a great 1022 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,640 Speaker 1: melody writer, you know, a great lyric writer. And and 1023 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: she was right, and I think when I embraced that, 1024 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,839 Speaker 1: the other things fell into placed. Yeah I wasn't like 1025 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: a genius, but yeah it was a good student. Were 1026 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: your hard working student? Mm, I wish I would have 1027 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: worked harder. So you're a pretty smart and pretty hard working, 1028 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: really hard working but I didn't. I didn't apply myself 1029 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: in I was an athlete in high school and I 1030 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: don't even really worked harder than me in that way. 1031 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,280 Speaker 1: And and I worked I think, um, academics came easier, 1032 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: so I didn't work as hard as that at that 1033 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: But um, I've worked every bit as hard and harder 1034 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 1: at music than than I worked at either of those things. 1035 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you're good a lot of things. You went 1036 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: on a basketball scholarship. You they paid for you to 1037 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: go to school and play ball. They did. Yeah, yeah, 1038 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: but you know, I'll tell you what. That was a 1039 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 1: situation where where the hard work ran out. Because I 1040 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: had always been great in high school because I worked hard, 1041 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: and so I could be better than some people who 1042 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,319 Speaker 1: were more talented than me. I get into college and 1043 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: not only do all the other girls work as hard 1044 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 1: as me, but they're all taller and quicker than me. 1045 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,919 Speaker 1: So the hard work eventually in that way, we're out now. 1046 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: Had my passion stayed there, I probably would have gone 1047 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: on to be a coach or something. Um, but my 1048 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: I was by the time I got to college, the 1049 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: music bug had bit me hard. And literally this is 1050 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,399 Speaker 1: this is not this is not an exaggeration. The day 1051 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 1: I quit playing basketball where I had a scholarship, and 1052 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: I moved home and started going to the community college 1053 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: that freshman year, yeah, I didn't play long. Um, And 1054 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 1: I really when I looked back at why I quit, 1055 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: I was very homesick, you know, Like I said, my 1056 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,960 Speaker 1: parents never missed a game, so looking up in the 1057 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 1: stands and then not being there was really hard for me. 1058 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: And and I wasn't ready to leave the nest. You know, 1059 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: I was such a mama and daddy's girl. I just 1060 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't even understand what it meant to leave. 1061 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 1: So I moved home, and I start going to community 1062 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,959 Speaker 1: college and it's like a thirty five mile drive every 1063 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040 Speaker 1: day and living at home and working in the coach 1064 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: at that at that school wanted me to play there, 1065 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: and so I started going to open gyms. It was 1066 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 1: in the off season, and I realized, like, you know, 1067 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: I was just wanting to go home and my mom 1068 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: played music, and my mom and I just sit there 1069 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: and play music. And so I remember going in and 1070 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: telling him I wasn't gonna play and that, you know, 1071 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: I just my heart wasn't in it. And he said, 1072 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: are you sure? And I said, oh, yeah, I know, 1073 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure, And you know, I don't want to take 1074 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,799 Speaker 1: a spot from someone who does want it. And I 1075 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 1: left and I went and bought a guitar literally on 1076 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: the way home, and just never looked back. I just 1077 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 1: transferred all that passion I used to have for that 1078 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 1: into music, because you just quit thinking about that's every 1079 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: minute when you know, and I had honestly quit thinking 1080 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: about it before then when I really looked back on it. 1081 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: I guess you know, at that time, I think they 1082 00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: had the w n B A, which I would have 1083 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,680 Speaker 1: never been good enough for it. But there wasn't anything 1084 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: really for for women's basketball beyond college and my goal. 1085 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,800 Speaker 1: I also learned a real good lesson about goal setting. 1086 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,719 Speaker 1: My goal had always just been to get a college scholarship. 1087 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: So once I got that, it was like, Okay, goal achieved. 1088 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: I didn't have goals. I didn't have aspirations beyond that. 1089 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: And so when I got into it and it was homesick, 1090 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,879 Speaker 1: and you know all those things, I just didn't want 1091 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: it anymore, and and and I and I was playing 1092 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,000 Speaker 1: a lot of music at that point, and so by 1093 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: the time I gave it up, I wasn't thinking about 1094 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: it much at all. Before I asked about your move 1095 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: to Nashville, I don't know how I get a high 1096 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,040 Speaker 1: school player. Where to get a scholar you gotta be 1097 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 1: really good. So where are we averaging the game? I 1098 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,800 Speaker 1: don't you know. I think I averaged about fifteen points 1099 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: a game. I was. I was a shooting guard, and 1100 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: I was a really good three point shooter before a 1101 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: lot of girls were. I graduated high school nine. So 1102 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 1: before a lot of girls were really good three point 1103 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,239 Speaker 1: shooters because it was kind of it wasn't like super new, 1104 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: but it just wasn't something that was focused on. And 1105 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: my senior year, I I said, I remember I set 1106 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,920 Speaker 1: a state record. I had ten three pointers in a 1107 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,200 Speaker 1: game one time. And then at this remember that game, 1108 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 1: I do like, did you do you remember feeling in 1109 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,320 Speaker 1: the zone like, yeah, it was as round as a 1110 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: cloth basket, couldn't miss, you know. And then um, in 1111 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: the state tournament, I set a couple of state tournament 1112 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: records for like three pointers in a game and in 1113 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 1: a in a tournament in a career. And so that 1114 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: got me a lot of attention because, like I said, 1115 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 1: at that point, that was there weren't a lot of 1116 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: girls that were really that wasn't the Now it's like 1117 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: girls shoot three pointers like guys did. But then I mean, 1118 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,400 Speaker 1: I'm making it sound like it was in the dark ages, 1119 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: but it just wasn't as as common. Any records still hold, 1120 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: you know. I think my mom, I think my mom 1121 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 1: told me that like the last one got broken the 1122 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: last year or something. You know, that's so funny to 1123 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 1: think about, Like you are an All Star basketball player. 1124 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,720 Speaker 1: Do you still ever grab basketball and it just kind 1125 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: of feels good? It just feels like, man, you know, 1126 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: it does feel good, and I don't do it enough, 1127 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: and I should. But whenever I like, like if I'm 1128 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,280 Speaker 1: at the wire or something and and there's just balls 1129 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: out some every It's been a couple of years since 1130 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: I've done this, but I'll just start shooting and it 1131 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: comes back to you real quick and you can hustle 1132 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,760 Speaker 1: people quick around here. Yeah. I mean, my mom used 1133 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: to say to me, you need to get in that 1134 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,480 Speaker 1: Ben Scale basketball game. That would be that's your way 1135 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,560 Speaker 1: into the music business. You would always tell me that. 1136 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: And because you'd be a ringer, like you'd be a 1137 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: ringer basketball play, you're legit music. Yeah, man, I remember this, dude. 1138 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 1: Next time we said, yeah, I would bring Brandy. Yeah 1139 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: about her ready set up from the elbow boo boo. 1140 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: That's crazy to think about. And I get you know, 1141 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't and I'm not so I'm not so into 1142 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,160 Speaker 1: the sport anymore. But like March madness, I don't miss it. 1143 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: Do you have a team? Well, ut of course and 1144 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: then whatever, like this year was Gonezegga because they're from Washington, 1145 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: State and uh, so I always root for UT, you know, football, basketball, whatever. 1146 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,000 Speaker 1: I just when I moved here, I remember my dad 1147 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,960 Speaker 1: telling me the football was like a religion in the South, 1148 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: and uh and why had all we'd always watched football 1149 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 1: and loved football. I didn't think, how could it be anymore? 1150 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: And then I get back here and I had some 1151 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: really good friends. Um they're still there, but they lived 1152 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: in North Carolina and I didn't know anybody. So I'd 1153 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: drive over and see them a lot of weekends and 1154 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,360 Speaker 1: I'd always see the the white and orange pom poms 1155 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: hanging out of car windows, and I thought, I think 1156 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 1: I want to be a part of that. I had 1157 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: decided as gonna be Vandy or UT and so I 1158 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,960 Speaker 1: chose YOUT and and I'm I'm real big about like 1159 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: not being a fickle fan. To me, that's a that's 1160 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: a character flaw. Like you get a team and you 1161 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: stick with them, and so I have stuck with you 1162 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,760 Speaker 1: t through the thick and the thin, and there was 1163 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: something real thick. But because I'm a huge Arkansas fan, 1164 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,840 Speaker 1: die hard. I mean, we went one game, we went 1165 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: nine or ten, but Tennessee was really good, and like, 1166 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they want a national championship after Peyton Manning like, 1167 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm a sports earner by I did a national sports 1168 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: show forever. So when you played ball in high school 1169 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: and then in college, I was like, holy cow, what 1170 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 1: can she not do? It's so irritating for us that 1171 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: like struggled everything and here you are just dominating well 1172 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,680 Speaker 1: sports and music. You know what I had my talent, 1173 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, I said, Shane's talent is bringing out the 1174 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: best and others. My talent is I just won't give up, 1175 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: you know. I just nobody will ever outwork me at anything. Um, 1176 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,040 Speaker 1: I just because I wasn't a great athlete, and but 1177 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,800 Speaker 1: I just made my I put I got myself into 1178 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,680 Speaker 1: better shape than anybody because I just was not quick. 1179 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 1: I think you're either quicker or not, and I wasn't quick, 1180 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,400 Speaker 1: and so I just was in such good shape that 1181 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,440 Speaker 1: I could wear people down. Quickness is like, and you know, 1182 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I take quickness over height. I really would. But I 1183 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,440 Speaker 1: love you know I do. I love college football. I 1184 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: follow that more than basketball. And it's I mean, this 1185 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: is such a great part of the country to live in. 1186 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: For it, you buy a guitar on the way home, 1187 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,720 Speaker 1: you say, I'm down with basketball. You buy a guitar 1188 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,600 Speaker 1: from a pun shot? My first every one where'd you 1189 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,960 Speaker 1: buy guitar from? I bought it from a music store, 1190 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,200 Speaker 1: So you stopped and bought a real guitar. Yeah, and 1191 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I had guitars, but it was the first electric guitar 1192 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I had. And I'm not some kind of a shredder 1193 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: sort of player, but I was really interested in that 1194 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 1: at the time. So I bought the guitar and the 1195 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 1: AMP I remember A was a PV and M and 1196 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: just started playing and and then I formed a band 1197 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: with my mom and one of my best longest friends, 1198 01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: and we started entering um like talent competitions. We had 1199 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: really great three part harmony and got a band and 1200 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: played a lot of fairs and festivals and you know, 1201 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: like everything I couldn't get in it just a little bit, 1202 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, I had to get it a lot. And 1203 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't long before I moved to Nashville after that. Okay, 1204 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: I was going to ask about that. But for me, 1205 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm a all a nothing person, which is why I 1206 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: don't drink, because I know what I would do. I 1207 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: would Everything I do consumes me. Are you O C D? 1208 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Kind of Yeah? I mean, I I it's it's hard 1209 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 1: for me to do anything a little bit. And I've 1210 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: never had any addiction problems. I'm real lucky that way, um. 1211 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: And you know I my dad was that way too, 1212 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,520 Speaker 1: you know my um. I remember my grandmed said, it's 1213 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: a good thing your dad's on into drugs or alcohol, 1214 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,439 Speaker 1: because as much as he he gets into everything else, 1215 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,560 Speaker 1: he was like a fitness fanatic and um, just anything 1216 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,000 Speaker 1: he did it was like all the way and I 1217 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 1: definitely got that from him. It was it would have 1218 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 1: it would have never been good enough for me internally 1219 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: to be to stay where I was and work a 1220 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: job I didn't like and being a band on the weekends. 1221 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I had to chase it and no other parts of 1222 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: your life like again for me, I know if I drank, 1223 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,640 Speaker 1: I've never had a drink because I just know I 1224 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,439 Speaker 1: saw my mom do it too. But I would love 1225 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,320 Speaker 1: to drink. It looks so fun. I would love to 1226 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,680 Speaker 1: smoke weed. It looks so fun. But I just know 1227 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,720 Speaker 1: that's all I would do. That's it, because all I 1228 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,080 Speaker 1: do now is work, and it's all I want to do. 1229 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,919 Speaker 1: My mind's focus. I'm writing this, I'm writing doing the show, 1230 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing saying I'm on the road, but you're you 1231 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: can you can drink a little bit and be okay. 1232 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I can't do. I mean yeah, 1233 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: and I'm a workholic. I can get in trouble with gambling. 1234 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,040 Speaker 1: I had. I had a gambling problem. I stopped playing poker. 1235 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean I and I mean I, you know what, 1236 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,080 Speaker 1: I kind of troubles like, just let me know more 1237 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,520 Speaker 1: about this. I could just said, Tunic, that's like redneck Vegas. 1238 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 1: Many times. The problem me with gambling, I realized, is 1239 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: to me, the only thing slightly less fun than winning 1240 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,080 Speaker 1: is losing. It's the thrill of not losing more than winning. 1241 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: That that's exactly an addicts feeling. It's and for me, 1242 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: I can't really win enough to excite me, but I 1243 01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,680 Speaker 1: can lose enough to hurt me. Man, that is very 1244 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,680 Speaker 1: that you just hit the nail on the head. And 1245 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: that's why I stopped, because there was no happiness. There 1246 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: was only avoiding sadness and getting sad. That was it. 1247 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: And once I hit that point, because Bennie, I would 1248 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: go and I will play these tournaments and I would 1249 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,800 Speaker 1: fly to BA just play poker, and I want a 1250 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 1: tournament for like, you know, thousand dollars. One time I 1251 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,080 Speaker 1: won the whole thing. It was like a tournament. How 1252 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,400 Speaker 1: many people were in it? Thirty or so. Wow. So 1253 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,960 Speaker 1: you were a good poker player. Anybody but says they're 1254 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: a good poker players not it's a good golfer. I 1255 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,360 Speaker 1: played a lot, and I had all every book on 1256 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 1: my shelf was a book about Doyle Brunson or a 1257 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: book about And I was good at math and odds, 1258 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: and so I just studied the game all the time. 1259 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,760 Speaker 1: That's all I did. I would go to work and 1260 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 1: I would just study and read and learn. And and 1261 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: then I realized I want all this money and I 1262 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 1: come from nothing, and the money did not excite me. 1263 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, I have a problem. Yeah it's 1264 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,840 Speaker 1: not about the money. I mean. I but speaking of 1265 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,840 Speaker 1: that and like have and being a little O C D. 1266 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,720 Speaker 1: Like I've never had a credit card because because I 1267 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,760 Speaker 1: know I would get in trouble. You've never had People 1268 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,040 Speaker 1: are always shocked about that. I've never had a credit card. 1269 01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Um now, there are business credit cards like for my 1270 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,600 Speaker 1: touring and stuff, but I don't have them because crazy, 1271 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,880 Speaker 1: because I know I would get in trouble with a 1272 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: credit card. I've always known it. And have you ever 1273 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,120 Speaker 1: used a credit card? Everyone one time? That's amazing. I 1274 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,280 Speaker 1: love it. Never used it? You're nuts like me. I 1275 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,560 Speaker 1: can just you know they're a little nuts. Yeah, I've 1276 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: never had a credit card. Um. And I get obsessed 1277 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: with things like you said, like you you would go 1278 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 1: home and read the poker books. I was watching that 1279 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 1: TV show this is what I do, and it's just 1280 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, how sick am I? So I was watching 1281 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,160 Speaker 1: that TV show Feud on FX at Joan Crawford and 1282 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,320 Speaker 1: Betty Davis. I would stay up all night finding out 1283 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: anything I could about Joan Crawford and Betty Davis. Like 1284 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,439 Speaker 1: I just would go down these rabbit holes. Oh, Betty 1285 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 1: Davis smoked five packs of cigarettes today up until she 1286 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 1: died at seven. Like just all these random facts, and 1287 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 1: I just I get obsessed with things like that. I 1288 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: feel like I'm looking in the mirror. I will watch 1289 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: a sitcom and I want Wikipedia or Google every character 1290 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,560 Speaker 1: in the sitcom, even the people that are like the 1291 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,640 Speaker 1: be characters. Like I want to know where Jeffrey the 1292 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: butler from Fresh Prince has been since Like every I 1293 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: must know yeah, did you ever watch Breaking Bad? Okay, well, 1294 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,840 Speaker 1: this is how sick I am. I found out that 1295 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,440 Speaker 1: there was a color chart for every character, and if 1296 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:53,880 Speaker 1: you go back and watch it, you can see and 1297 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,920 Speaker 1: they picked colors that the people were gonna wear, and 1298 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,919 Speaker 1: they would change the colors as they as they don't 1299 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 1: move into darkness, like Skylar always wore blue until she 1300 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,880 Speaker 1: got into Walt's world, and then the blue got darker 1301 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,959 Speaker 1: until she started wearing black. The only character whose color 1302 01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,240 Speaker 1: never changed was Hank's wife. She was the one consistent. 1303 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: They always kept her in purple. Wit, How did you? 1304 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,920 Speaker 1: How did you know? I realized this. I was just 1305 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 1: like going down the rabbit hole Breaking Bad and trying 1306 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 1: to find out facts about it, and I stumbled upon 1307 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: it and and it was something they decided. When I 1308 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:30,760 Speaker 1: think it's Vince Gilligan create created that show. He decided that, 1309 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: and and I've it just blew my mind and I'll 1310 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: just go down. I could tell you almost everything about Jaws. 1311 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Um you know, like you ever read it? No, Oh, 1312 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's the it's the it's like podcasts, but 1313 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,920 Speaker 1: for internet geeks. Whatever you want to know, there's a 1314 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,960 Speaker 1: there's a thread there's a message board, there's a group 1315 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,160 Speaker 1: for it. No matter what the topic is, you can 1316 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: go and nerd out on whatever it is that you want. 1317 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Like I'll go and watch like a show on Netflix, 1318 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 1: like Whenever, Uh Stephen Avery, did you ever watch that? 1319 01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,520 Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, when that came out, I 1320 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: was on Reddit every day reading theories. People were like 1321 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 1: going through all the case files because the Freedom of 1322 01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Information Act they were going request and they were doing 1323 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,080 Speaker 1: full reports themselves, and so read it. Don't even look 1324 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,720 Speaker 1: at it because you'll never get off of it. It'll 1325 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: be a terrible place for you to go. I do. 1326 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 1: I was, this is real sick. But I was on 1327 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: a jury several years ago, and the person that was 1328 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,400 Speaker 1: on trial was convicted of the crime and isn't up 1329 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,400 Speaker 1: for parole. Tie, and I'll go. I'll go find the number, 1330 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,840 Speaker 1: the prisoner number, and check up on her. Everyone to like, 1331 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if she's I wonder if she's getting out 1332 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: on good But hey, here, you know those kinds of 1333 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,040 Speaker 1: things were she at? Were you like a trivia nerd? No, 1334 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,040 Speaker 1: I really wasn't. But anything I've ever been really interested in, 1335 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I just I Country music was that way for me, 1336 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,680 Speaker 1: you know. When I mean I grew up, that was 1337 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,040 Speaker 1: what we listened to. But when I started to really 1338 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,520 Speaker 1: pay attention to who wrote songs and who produced them, 1339 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,080 Speaker 1: and I would just find out everything I could. When 1340 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,640 Speaker 1: you decided to move to Nashville from Washington, was it 1341 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,680 Speaker 1: to be a songwriter? Was it to be an artist? 1342 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 1: Like what in your mind was going to happen in 1343 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,120 Speaker 1: your life? Um, it was to be both, you know, 1344 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:15,480 Speaker 1: But I definitely at that point was more. I mean, 1345 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 1: I would say as seventy artist songwriter in my mind. 1346 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,240 Speaker 1: And then I moved here, and but I think I 1347 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,360 Speaker 1: was always more songwriter than I realized, you know. I 1348 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,599 Speaker 1: was really driven by that. And and I moved here 1349 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,679 Speaker 1: and I started to make friends and do open mic 1350 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: nights and that, and and the friends I had that 1351 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 1: were getting record deals are getting at the time, like 1352 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 1: artist development deals. They were really really into the things 1353 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,720 Speaker 1: that were tough for me, Like we're talking about hair 1354 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,120 Speaker 1: and makeup earlier, Like they would instead of going to 1355 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,599 Speaker 1: writing point and they'd go tan. And I just started 1356 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 1: to see as the time went on, well that's just 1357 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 1: not me. I don't And and about the time that 1358 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,640 Speaker 1: I had completely given up on it. I had the 1359 01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to make my first record, Twelve Stories, and I 1360 01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,000 Speaker 1: just was all always driven to the thing that always 1361 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,200 Speaker 1: has driven me was to get better as a songwriter. 1362 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,600 Speaker 1: That that was and I think part of it was 1363 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,439 Speaker 1: because it felt like it was something I could control, 1364 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: like I can go in every day and and try 1365 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,960 Speaker 1: to get it to be a better craftsman. I love 1366 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 1: Twelve Stories. I love both the records, and I think 1367 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,600 Speaker 1: you're not in for two Grammies this past year and 1368 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: so album of the Year yes, and uh female performance 1369 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,800 Speaker 1: and performance because they put them well, they put them 1370 01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,200 Speaker 1: all together in the Grammys. So is that frustrating to 1371 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: you to be up for, like you guys thought, bigger 1372 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,720 Speaker 1: than the Grammys, but to not yet achieve the commercial success. 1373 01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would be lying if I said that. 1374 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't, And I think anyone who says differently is 1375 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,839 Speaker 1: lying to someone, probably mostly themselves. I mean, we all 1376 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 1: want to be super successful. It's I mean, now, I 1377 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,280 Speaker 1: don't want to compromise my art for it. I always 1378 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,840 Speaker 1: want to make make music that I feel proud of 1379 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,760 Speaker 1: and that that I'm gonna want to And I don't 1380 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,880 Speaker 1: know how you really know this, but that I'm gonna 1381 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,120 Speaker 1: want to still perform in ten years, you know. Um, 1382 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,960 Speaker 1: And so I've never compromised in that way, and I've 1383 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,080 Speaker 1: never been asked to compromise in that way either, I 1384 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:21,679 Speaker 1: must say. And so yeah, it's disappointing. And and sometimes, 1385 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,559 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm just speaking just real honest terms, 1386 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,479 Speaker 1: it's it hurts my feelings, you know, because you you 1387 01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 1: want to be loved and you want to feel like, 1388 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:33,559 Speaker 1: oh man, radio radio feels like I'm worth spending their 1389 01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,559 Speaker 1: their real estate on. And but you know, but also 1390 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,679 Speaker 1: things like being Grammy nominated, they make you feel like, Okay, 1391 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing something right here. How do I just get 1392 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 1: a few? How do I get more ears on this? 1393 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: That's always my um my motivation And and I think 1394 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,000 Speaker 1: too for me, like with the radio, every artist that 1395 01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I loved and wanted to be like as a kid 1396 01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,920 Speaker 1: was on the radio. So to me, that was the pinnacle. 1397 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,519 Speaker 1: And um, but people get their music all different ways now, 1398 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,080 Speaker 1: you know. That's something that I've learned. And and an 1399 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: artist like myself, when I first came to town, the 1400 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,880 Speaker 1: way that my record broke, my first record, it was 1401 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:17,679 Speaker 1: on a small independent label. It was all publicity buzz 1402 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,160 Speaker 1: and social media that would have never happened when I 1403 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,880 Speaker 1: first moved here. It changes so fast. You know better 1404 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,200 Speaker 1: than me. I mean you're you're in the middle of 1405 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 1: it more than I am. But but just the way 1406 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,439 Speaker 1: that people get music changes. Yeah, it's changed so much 1407 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,680 Speaker 1: that it's almost distracting. And it's almost to where you 1408 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: even records. And my thing is, I don't think you 1409 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,479 Speaker 1: don't have full records in the next three to five years. 1410 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 1: Everybody keeps saying that because we're in such an a 1411 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,200 Speaker 1: d D society of what you got next? What you 1412 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: got next is a new record, new new song, new record, 1413 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,240 Speaker 1: new song, new that if you're not even songs are 1414 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,559 Speaker 1: getting shorter because dada shows that people are gonna punch 1415 01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,800 Speaker 1: out faster, and if you're gonna put a five and 1416 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a half minute song out, people just aren't gonna sit 1417 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 1: through it anymore. Our brains now are in this. Let 1418 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:06,680 Speaker 1: me shut with phone, I'm a check my computer, let 1419 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,240 Speaker 1: me check, let me check, let me check, let me check. 1420 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: And it's not right or wrong, it's just how we 1421 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,640 Speaker 1: fund On Facebook, Twitter, songs are going what else is 1422 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,120 Speaker 1: out their own new music you just popped up over 1423 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,800 Speaker 1: here On I let new music, you know, so we 1424 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,160 Speaker 1: have to always adjudge. Everyone's always had to adjust forever 1425 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,760 Speaker 1: in the history. Be a format, be a technology, Everyone's 1426 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,479 Speaker 1: always had to adjust. And that's what I'm finding now, 1427 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,360 Speaker 1: is that even me and our references a few times 1428 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,640 Speaker 1: John Marypott a record, but he put it out in 1429 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,639 Speaker 1: three chunks and he put it and what I liked 1430 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,479 Speaker 1: about it, what I really loved about it, because I'm 1431 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,120 Speaker 1: a massive John Mayra fan, is that I was able 1432 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,600 Speaker 1: to take four songs at a time and spend a 1433 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,200 Speaker 1: month with these four songs and really appreciate them, rather 1434 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,200 Speaker 1: than get twelve or thirteen and go here it is. 1435 01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,719 Speaker 1: You can't really take your time with twelve or thirteen 1436 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,439 Speaker 1: because before you know, it's the next week or something 1437 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 1: else out or something. With four songs, I got to 1438 01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,240 Speaker 1: love them, I got to hear other things to come 1439 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,880 Speaker 1: back to the four songs, and by the time it 1440 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,800 Speaker 1: was over, it was like I know every song on 1441 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,200 Speaker 1: the entire record now because of how it was put out. 1442 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,760 Speaker 1: But then again, the hard copy didn't matter as much. 1443 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,439 Speaker 1: In our format. It's still six hard I always I 1444 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,040 Speaker 1: had this idea for my first record. I loved the 1445 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,559 Speaker 1: way that Stephen King put out The Green Mile. He 1446 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: put it out three chapters at a time, and I 1447 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,840 Speaker 1: remember how excited I was to go to a bookstore 1448 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,080 Speaker 1: and get that. I think it was a month. And 1449 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,439 Speaker 1: I remember when I did my first record, I was 1450 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,320 Speaker 1: talking to my manager at the time, what if we 1451 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,880 Speaker 1: put out a song, what if we put it out 1452 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: like The Green Mile, like in chapters since it's called 1453 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,960 Speaker 1: twelve stories. Well, nobody knew me, so it wasn't a 1454 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,000 Speaker 1: great plan. But somebody like John Mayer can do that. 1455 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,320 Speaker 1: When he did that, it made me think of that, like, oh, 1456 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: it's like the Green Mile. There's and you know our 1457 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,840 Speaker 1: a pre sale is a little bit like that, where 1458 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,479 Speaker 1: you get a few songs. The problem with the pre 1459 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna get me started to because I think rady. 1460 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,600 Speaker 1: I think I think I can just fix all the 1461 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,360 Speaker 1: radio and all records. Just give it to me and 1462 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:08,840 Speaker 1: I'll fix it all. We can fix that. I am 1463 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,920 Speaker 1: a disaster as a human and sometimes professionally that I 1464 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,840 Speaker 1: can fix everything else. So I don't even know where 1465 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,599 Speaker 1: I was going with that. Thank you. Here's the problem 1466 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,280 Speaker 1: with the pre sell you not you, but people. You 1467 01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,000 Speaker 1: need to make the pre sell where you can't get 1468 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the three songs unless you buy the whole record as 1469 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,120 Speaker 1: a pre sale. Otherwise I'm just gonna buy one, two singles, 1470 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,120 Speaker 1: three singles. See this is how how how dance I am? 1471 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think you could. Oh yeah, oh I thought 1472 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,360 Speaker 1: you hadn't You can go buy the three singles separately, 1473 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,160 Speaker 1: two of the three. I didn't know that. Okay, So 1474 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: the pre sell goes up. It's the same thing. You's 1475 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,040 Speaker 1: putting three songs up and going don't want to buy 1476 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the record later, so pre sell. Okay, 1477 01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,439 Speaker 1: you can buy these three, you can buy the whole 1478 01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,080 Speaker 1: record and you get all three of these songs, and 1479 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,200 Speaker 1: that's it. That's how to do it. But everybody's short 1480 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: terming it. Everybody sure we're looking at get the one 1481 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: or two songs old like if people were really investing 1482 01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 1: in the album, which are not going to anymore. That's 1483 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,599 Speaker 1: gonna die except for the real people that want an 1484 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: album to represent a piece of art. You're always going 1485 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,760 Speaker 1: to have that kind of artist, but you're gonna see 1486 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: far less of them now just because of the money 1487 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: involved and making music. But let's say you put out 1488 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,200 Speaker 1: three songs and it's the pre sell. I can buy 1489 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,800 Speaker 1: two of them and never touched the record, or I 1490 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,679 Speaker 1: could just buy just pre sung by the whole record 1491 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: and have all three of them. But I could have 1492 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,000 Speaker 1: bought them separately. Anyway, it's a it's a weird system. 1493 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,280 Speaker 1: It's it doesn't it's not correct. I should fix it. Yeah, 1494 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. See, I had no idea. I 1495 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,320 Speaker 1: thought they had to buy all of it to get it. 1496 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,080 Speaker 1: And then streaming as a whole the wild West. Still yeah, 1497 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,639 Speaker 1: and that's trying to figure that out. And I think about, 1498 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, as a songwriter, I was so against streaming 1499 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,960 Speaker 1: because you know, we just don't get paid. And when 1500 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,200 Speaker 1: I was out on a radio tour, Um, we were 1501 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,040 Speaker 1: coming home late one night. I've never even looked at 1502 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Spotify at this point. Um, and the radio rep he's 1503 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,680 Speaker 1: trying to stay awake and he's like, hey, would you 1504 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,560 Speaker 1: play DJ? I said, okay. He hands me phone in 1505 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,559 Speaker 1: Spotify and for something, and I thought, oh my god, 1506 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,000 Speaker 1: this is like a candy store, you know, like for 1507 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,639 Speaker 1: the consumer. Yeah, you can just you can get anything. 1508 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,760 Speaker 1: If and I thought, if I didn't know what I 1509 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: know about how songwriters are and aren't being paid on it, 1510 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,920 Speaker 1: this would be the way I would get my music. 1511 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,479 Speaker 1: It's the new Napster, and that's what we're dealing with now, 1512 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,040 Speaker 1: because back when we were younger, Napster existed and we 1513 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,559 Speaker 1: got whatever we wanted free. You just picked a letter 1514 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,080 Speaker 1: and downloaded every song that started with the L and 1515 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,880 Speaker 1: look up with a thousand new songs and didn't pay 1516 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: anything for it. And we thought that it was just cool, 1517 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,880 Speaker 1: and we were mad at Metallica for fighting it. Well, 1518 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you know, I remember Jesse Joe Dillon, who's a who's 1519 01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,360 Speaker 1: a great friend and great collaborator of mine. Her dad, 1520 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 1: Dean Delon, legendary songwriters. She said, when she was in 1521 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,120 Speaker 1: junior middle school she found Napster. It was all excited 1522 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,599 Speaker 1: and said, Dad, look at I've got all these songs. 1523 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,120 Speaker 1: And years she said, he just lost his mind and 1524 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,280 Speaker 1: it makes sense now, but us, we were just like, oh, 1525 01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,320 Speaker 1: I remember, it was such a cool thing, and I 1526 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,200 Speaker 1: was so upset. I was like, these artists want to 1527 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,920 Speaker 1: take away our rightful free music, not knowing what we 1528 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,680 Speaker 1: know now. Now, fast forward now and you have the 1529 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,160 Speaker 1: streaming services and there aren't laws, just like there weren't 1530 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,519 Speaker 1: for Napster then that was legal until it wasn't and 1531 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,360 Speaker 1: then once it became illegal and land wire and they 1532 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,240 Speaker 1: were all these and that slowly went away because it 1533 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,439 Speaker 1: was illegal. Now you're having streaming and they're trying to 1534 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,240 Speaker 1: figure out the wild West. And you know, I have 1535 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: a friend um that goes and testifies and is you 1536 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 1: know very much for he's a songwriter in town, Lee 1537 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,519 Speaker 1: Thomas Miller. So it's one of my closest friends. And 1538 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,240 Speaker 1: so he goes and he goes and testifies in front 1539 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,120 Speaker 1: of the Congress and it's like, but it's gonna take 1540 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,400 Speaker 1: another couple of years of the wild West being figured out, 1541 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,559 Speaker 1: and then it's going to get figured out, and there's 1542 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,120 Speaker 1: something else is gonna Then it's gonna be all of 1543 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,880 Speaker 1: a sudden be Globotron. Then are you snap us? You know, 1544 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,479 Speaker 1: it'll be something else. It's never going to end. The 1545 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,559 Speaker 1: cycle is never going to end of figuring out what's new. 1546 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,639 Speaker 1: But the money will come and streaming, just like Napster stopped, 1547 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,840 Speaker 1: and some thing new will then pop up and we'll 1548 01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: be getting will. I think the thing that always will 1549 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,160 Speaker 1: be around no matter what is the live performance, because 1550 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,679 Speaker 1: there's something about that that people are willing to pay 1551 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,559 Speaker 1: money for and I think about in you know, there 1552 01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,320 Speaker 1: were court gestures like there's people like to be entertained 1553 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,960 Speaker 1: in a live way. That's the one thing through all 1554 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,000 Speaker 1: of it that I think will remain constant. But I 1555 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,200 Speaker 1: could be wrong. No, I don't think you're wrong at all. 1556 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: It's almost to me it's like sports on television. Like 1557 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: you can put Netflix out there, you can go a a Hulu, 1558 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,080 Speaker 1: you can go Amazon Prime. But if you want to 1559 01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 1: watch sports, it needs to be live. And it's the 1560 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 1: only thing, and it's the reason television really is the 1561 01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,680 Speaker 1: cable is able to maintain sports is live events and 1562 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,680 Speaker 1: a lot of that sports. Otherwise we'll just DVR or 1563 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,759 Speaker 1: put everything. You would say that because I won't watch 1564 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 1: a recorded game. I want either. Yeah, I want either. 1565 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Even I'm a die hard Razorback fan, I cannot watch 1566 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,479 Speaker 1: a recorded game. I'll just look at the score if 1567 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,800 Speaker 1: if I and I don't miss a game, at least 1568 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,200 Speaker 1: watching it. And if I do, but what stinks if 1569 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,880 Speaker 1: I do. If my band's playing, I'll have a monitor 1570 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,040 Speaker 1: or TV with a screen on. And there have been 1571 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,040 Speaker 1: times where Arkansas playing football and the game should be over, 1572 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,280 Speaker 1: and it's in over. It's in overtime whatever, and I'll 1573 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,160 Speaker 1: have whoever's opening. If I'm gonna stand up, um, I'll 1574 01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: have my stage manager or my store manager going and say, hey, Bob, 1575 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,640 Speaker 1: we need you to play an extra fifteen minutes like 1576 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,200 Speaker 1: the Arkansas Tennessee game. Like, Bob, we need to playing extra. 1577 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,559 Speaker 1: We were in St. Louis and then Nikita Karmen and 1578 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,360 Speaker 1: she was like okay, So she was played for people 1579 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,160 Speaker 1: and I watched the end of the game. But live 1580 01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,679 Speaker 1: television is what is sports is gonna keep live television 1581 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,040 Speaker 1: a thing, just like the live performance is going to 1582 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,760 Speaker 1: be the one stable thing in music. But it's never stay. 1583 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 1: It's never been stable except for the live performance, and 1584 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,880 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's just been real. I mean, 1585 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,800 Speaker 1: I feel like things have changed so much in the 1586 01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,759 Speaker 1: last couple of years with the streaming, and it's always 1587 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,519 Speaker 1: something and we don't take serious. And that's why it 1588 01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,200 Speaker 1: girls because we don't take it serious. If we took 1589 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 1: it serious, it wouldn't be out of control. We had 1590 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,120 Speaker 1: hammered it down from the very beginning, and no and 1591 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,080 Speaker 1: knew what we were getting into. Um Man, before you 1592 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:18,240 Speaker 1: know what, You're an hour and to a conversation. Uh, 1593 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,240 Speaker 1: Brandy is out right now with Charlie Washing. How long 1594 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,599 Speaker 1: are you guys out until you know, mid June, I think, 1595 01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: or maybe late June, and we're playing a lot. We're 1596 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 1: we're in the southeast this weekend. I don't know when 1597 01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:34,800 Speaker 1: this airs, but we're playing in Athens, Georgia tomorrow and um, Greensboro, 1598 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,439 Speaker 1: North Carolina, somewhere in Virginia I can't remember. But then 1599 01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,920 Speaker 1: then we're here in Nashville. You guys should come to 1600 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,760 Speaker 1: the show. We're playing the Winery. The Winery a week night. Well, 1601 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 1: don't you know what, Um on the road, it's a 1602 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,479 Speaker 1: Friday night and a Sunday night because the first show 1603 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,280 Speaker 1: sold out, so they added a Sunday night. Um, yeah, 1604 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,200 Speaker 1: so you know, but I know what it's like to 1605 01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,680 Speaker 1: to get out. But anyways, the offers there, um and uh. 1606 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,240 Speaker 1: And then we go out to the West coast for 1607 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:08,080 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I hope everybody downloads or maybe 1608 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,840 Speaker 1: even streams Big Day of Small Town depending on when 1609 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,639 Speaker 1: you hear that. You know, podcast live forever. And I really, 1610 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:16,679 Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a fan of your music. Before 1611 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,160 Speaker 1: I ever met it was a year and a halfore 1612 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: I ever met you. From when I was just like, man, 1613 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Brandy is awesome. I really enjoy being around you and 1614 01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: has such a different experience and listening to music. I 1615 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,719 Speaker 1: just thought you would come in and be it would 1616 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,559 Speaker 1: be like the Graham Reaper, like Brandy was like, I'm 1617 01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,360 Speaker 1: here to make you sad. I know we started out 1618 01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: real low um, but I enjoyed beating around you as well. 1619 01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,720 Speaker 1: You know you're a good You're a good energy. Well, 1620 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,760 Speaker 1: thank you. And another thing is my girlfriend Lindsay l 1621 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:49,080 Speaker 1: was on tour with you and Jennifer Nettles and just 1622 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,400 Speaker 1: would say the greatest thing. She would saying brand It's 1623 01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,680 Speaker 1: like the greatest human ever. Oh that's I mean, she's 1624 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,640 Speaker 1: she's just wonderful. She's a new single coming out of 1625 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,599 Speaker 1: which is Yeah and Like, which is amazing. A couple 1626 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,200 Speaker 1: three weeks or so, you know, And I said that 1627 01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,759 Speaker 1: that nobody all outworked me, but Lindsey would would. Lindsay 1628 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,000 Speaker 1: works as hard as me. She worked hard. She's a 1629 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:12,840 Speaker 1: hard worker. She's a grinder. Yeah. She deserves everything she 1630 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: gets in a good way, including you. I can tell 1631 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:20,160 Speaker 1: you're a good dude. Brandy Clark, thank you for coming 1632 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,960 Speaker 1: by the house. I really appreciate it. I always know 1633 01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,080 Speaker 1: it's gotta be weird because I like doing the show 1634 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,800 Speaker 1: from my house because once people get in, it feels 1635 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,320 Speaker 1: more like we're just hanging out, right. But I know 1636 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,120 Speaker 1: it's weird to knock on the front door somebody's house 1637 01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,639 Speaker 1: and be like, I'm here for thing. Like, I know 1638 01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,880 Speaker 1: that's got to be. It was a weird driving the 1639 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,599 Speaker 1: no but because I've done these kinds of things before, 1640 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I did, uh there. Melissa Ethridge 1641 01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,880 Speaker 1: has a show on XM called Melissa's Basement. That was 1642 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: a little weird, you know, because I remember I flew 1643 01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,519 Speaker 1: in and and it was in l a And and 1644 01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,000 Speaker 1: drove to her house. And you know, I've never met 1645 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,479 Speaker 1: Melissa Ethridge and she was she was her first the 1646 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,080 Speaker 1: first record she had that really was huge. I remember 1647 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,360 Speaker 1: my best friend in high school loved it, and so 1648 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking about all that going They're like, oh 1649 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,240 Speaker 1: my god, like we want to Melissa Ethridge's house. So 1650 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,320 Speaker 1: that was kind of weird. And there there was security 1651 01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,679 Speaker 1: and stuff. There was no security involved in your house, 1652 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,880 Speaker 1: so and I've met you before, so it wasn't as weird. 1653 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,240 Speaker 1: I think the house feels good it's way cooler than 1654 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:23,040 Speaker 1: in the studio. Yeah, it feels like I've actually settled 1655 01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,800 Speaker 1: in and you don't realized you've been doing this for 1656 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,240 Speaker 1: hour and whatever minutes. I met Melissa Etheridge about a 1657 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,840 Speaker 1: month ago for the first time, and I wanted to 1658 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,400 Speaker 1: take a picture whether and I couldn't get it. I 1659 01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,800 Speaker 1: didn't have the nerve to do it. I could, I was. 1660 01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: She probably would have loved that. I just didn't want to. 1661 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,280 Speaker 1: And the reason why Lindsay was playing a show with her, 1662 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to be I want to wanna 1663 01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:45,040 Speaker 1: bearras Lindsay. And two I didn't want to be that guy. 1664 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,120 Speaker 1: But I'm such a fan still in music and of 1665 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,240 Speaker 1: her and of a couple of our records, you know. 1666 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,960 Speaker 1: And I used to play her on the radio coming 1667 01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,720 Speaker 1: to my window, like played that ten thousand times, or 1668 01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm the only one, Oh great song. You know. It's 1669 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,400 Speaker 1: crazy about you saying you didn't want to ask somebody 1670 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,760 Speaker 1: for a picture. I'm real weird about that, Like I 1671 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,679 Speaker 1: never want to ask anybody for a picture. But I 1672 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,960 Speaker 1: was um playing the Bentonville, Arkansas Film Festival and Gina 1673 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,679 Speaker 1: Davis is one of the the founders of that which 1674 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,840 Speaker 1: Bettonville is such a great little town. And uh, I 1675 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,880 Speaker 1: said to my tour manager, and he you know, there's 1676 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times where I'll be out with somebody 1677 01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,200 Speaker 1: and they'll say this, Brandy want a picture with like 1678 01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,519 Speaker 1: Dwight yoakums verny wan a picture with Dwight. Now it's 1679 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,920 Speaker 1: it's fine um and uh. In fact, this weekend I 1680 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,960 Speaker 1: was out with why Nona I Digress and I wanted 1681 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,000 Speaker 1: to see her puppy. I heard she had this puppy 1682 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,360 Speaker 1: and and I walked over to her and I was like, hey, 1683 01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm Brandy. I played earlier and I was in pajamas 1684 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,240 Speaker 1: at this point. She's like, you wanta picture or something? 1685 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,000 Speaker 1: And I said no, actually I want to meet your doll. 1686 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,400 Speaker 1: And she's like, wow, what a concept that you just 1687 01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,240 Speaker 1: want to hang out and I get a picture. So 1688 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I kind of pride myself and never bothered anybody for 1689 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,799 Speaker 1: a picture. But when we were at the Bentonville Film Festival, 1690 01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,599 Speaker 1: I said in my tour manager, I said, bart, if 1691 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for me to get picture with Gina Davis, 1692 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:07,000 Speaker 1: take it. And you know what, this weekend, our cut 1693 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,679 Speaker 1: your vestball happened and I was hosting it and Scott 1694 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,320 Speaker 1: Foley who's in Who's in Scandal? I don't know if 1695 01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,519 Speaker 1: you watched Scandal it all, but he plays one of 1696 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,439 Speaker 1: the Yeah, I know who that is. Okay, so he's 1697 01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,800 Speaker 1: like Jake and Scandal and he was standing there and 1698 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,360 Speaker 1: it was me a little bit down in him. But 1699 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,880 Speaker 1: he was in the middle of like Jimmy and Karen, 1700 01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,720 Speaker 1: Everybody's just talking and I'm like, and I know all 1701 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: the little big people, well, I don't know, but I 1702 01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,360 Speaker 1: was like, I just wished at Leaves I get a 1703 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,559 Speaker 1: picture of Scott fol and I was too embarrassed to 1704 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,720 Speaker 1: hop in and get and so riot As I was 1705 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,040 Speaker 1: about to just take the nerve and be like, hey Scott, 1706 01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,320 Speaker 1: he was like, all right, it was super I'm gonna 1707 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go see you guys later, and he walked away. 1708 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 1: And it's like I just didn't have the courage to 1709 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,679 Speaker 1: do it. I felt so stupid. There are those people. 1710 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. When I was at with Jennifer Nettles, 1711 01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,800 Speaker 1: one of Jennifer's biggest fans is Connie Chung, really yes, 1712 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,760 Speaker 1: and we were playing somewhere on the East Coast and 1713 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,679 Speaker 1: Connie Cheung was at the show, and I remember hearing 1714 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,679 Speaker 1: that like earlier in the day, like, oh, Connie Chung 1715 01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,720 Speaker 1: is here, and I'm back in my bunk and somebody's like, hey, 1716 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,960 Speaker 1: Connie Chung's on the bus and she wants to meet you. 1717 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,639 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, you know that's not true. 1718 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,840 Speaker 1: It's true. I walked the other she had a Brandy 1719 01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,440 Speaker 1: Clark T shirt on and and she got a few cocktails. 1720 01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of funny to see this, this 1721 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:21,519 Speaker 1: like anchor woman who's you know, broken all the big 1722 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,920 Speaker 1: stories in my life, kind of tipsy with a with 1723 01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,200 Speaker 1: a Brandy Clark T shirt on. That's funny. We got 1724 01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:29,840 Speaker 1: a picture that night that was crazy. If I don't 1725 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,160 Speaker 1: know if you know what's that she right to like 1726 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,880 Speaker 1: Maripo Victor, she still is and he was not there 1727 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,960 Speaker 1: because he was golfing. I remember that they're still together. Huh. 1728 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,400 Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. We're going again. We're going on those 1729 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,559 Speaker 1: rabbit holes so that you're talking about, we get we're 1730 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 1: rabbit holing it. Um, Brandy, thank you for coming by. 1731 01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,439 Speaker 1: Thank you, I really appreciate it. Mike White, episode is 1732 01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,080 Speaker 1: this alright? Episode fifty eight of the Bobby Cast. Thank 1733 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,120 Speaker 1: you very much. Please, if Brandy's coming by wherever, if 1734 01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:53,600 Speaker 1: it's this tour with Charlie, or if you're he in 1735 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,760 Speaker 1: this six months from now and she's coming by ghost 1736 01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,920 Speaker 1: see her. She really is fantastic life and it's fun 1737 01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:04,400 Speaker 1: to be around, and she loves taking pictures. Those pictures 1738 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,320 Speaker 1: all time. Can't get enough pictures. We'll see you next time. 1739 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, and thanks to one hundred flowers. All go bye,