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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My dear
Speaker 2: mom has been bugging me to go to her hairdresser, Dorine.
Speaker 2: I didn't object to going to her, It's just I
Speaker 2: didn't need a haircut. Guess what. A few days ago
Speaker 2: I went to Doreen. She's about my age, and you
Speaker 2: know how we get into conversations, right, whether it's a
Speaker 2: bartender or a hairdresser, it all seems to come out.
Speaker 2: So I ended up telling her about Shades of the Afterlife,
Speaker 2: my book We Don't Die. She says, oh, I can
Speaker 2: tell you about my second job. She is a hairdresser
Speaker 2: at a funeral home. It took me a second to
Speaker 2: get my head around that, she said. It was difficult
Speaker 2: in the beginning thinking about what she was doing, but
Speaker 2: then understanding, Yeah, everybody wants to look their best, and
Speaker 2: she wants to give families nice last memories of their life.
Speaker 2: So then we get into a conversation about the funeral
Speaker 2: home she works at, family owned, loving how much grief support,
Speaker 2: and how they care about people. Although I'm well over
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty episodes of Shades of the Afterlife now,
Speaker 2: I have never really truly embraced that someday I'm going
Speaker 2: to depart this earth. I do have a will, but
Speaker 2: I don't know particulars as to what happens when someone dies.
Speaker 2: I'm here with my mom. One of us is probably
Speaker 2: going to go first. What happens? Does one call nine
Speaker 2: to one one? Do you call a funeral? Home. I
Speaker 2: just didn't know. So yesterday I was bold and I
Speaker 2: reached out and I talked to a nice funeral director
Speaker 2: named Brenna. She thought I wanted to pre plan my funeral.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready for that, Brenna, but I asked for
Speaker 2: those basic questions and she said yes. Indeed, if you
Speaker 2: find one or the other passed away, you call nine
Speaker 2: to one one first. If your loved one dies in
Speaker 2: hospice or hospital, those organizations can proclaim the person dead
Speaker 2: and then you move on to making the arrangements with
Speaker 2: the funeral home. So Brenna is going to mail me
Speaker 2: a pre planning guide, actually one for me and one
Speaker 2: for Mom, so that we can put everything down that
Speaker 2: we want and answer whatever questions there are to make
Speaker 2: things smoother for our loved ones left behind. Of course,
Speaker 2: we'll be greeted by our loved ones who have already
Speaker 2: passed on when that comes in. I'll let you know
Speaker 2: I think it's vitally important to not only embrace the
Speaker 2: reality of life after death, but I think we'd live
Speaker 2: a better life if we had all of those arrangements planned.
Speaker 2: So I'll keep you posted on that. The fall season
Speaker 2: is here in New England Christmas decorations are up far
Speaker 2: too early. I had this flashback of how much I
Speaker 2: used to hate Christmas and the holidays. You see, I
Speaker 2: loved Christmas when I was a kid growing up. My
Speaker 2: parents divorced when I was about fourteen, and the magic
Speaker 2: was gone. I would get downright angry when i'd hear
Speaker 2: a Christmas carol. I think I was just grieving for
Speaker 2: many years. Well, fast forward to twenty seventeen. That's when
Speaker 2: I took my first trip to the UK to learn
Speaker 2: about physical mediumship. You've heard trance medium Scott Milligan a
Speaker 2: number of times on Shades of the Afterlife, but that's
Speaker 2: where I first met him, and I can tell you
Speaker 2: the magic of Christmas came back. I attended what's called
Speaker 2: a physical medium seance with Scott. Picture this Scott is
Speaker 2: tied down to a chair to make sure he is
Speaker 2: not manipulating anything. There's a circle about twenty five people,
Speaker 2: twenty five chairs. Our butts are in the seats, the
Speaker 2: lights go out, everyone's holding hands. We sing our hearts
Speaker 2: out and yes, we sang Christmas carols. And in the
Speaker 2: center of the room there was a fake Christmas tree
Speaker 2: with lots of wrapped presents beneath it, all toys and such.
Speaker 2: You've heard the voice of mister Eric before his voice
Speaker 2: said a few words, there's also a voice of Daniel
Speaker 2: that works with Scott. And then they said the children
Speaker 2: have arrived. It was like a dozen children filled the room.
Speaker 2: All the Christmas presents got unwrapped at the very same time,
Speaker 2: so you could hear the wrapping paper just flying everywhere.
Speaker 2: And suddenly toy drums started being beaten, a toy piano
Speaker 2: was played, A glow in the dark car was flying
Speaker 2: across the room. There were hula hoops that had glow
Speaker 2: in the Dark tape on them. They seemed to be
Speaker 2: floating around, and so much more. That was my first introduction,
Speaker 2: and what followed were voices of loved ones which seemed
Speaker 2: to come right out of mid air, and I was hooked.
Speaker 2: For the skeptical mind, it's so easy not to believe
Speaker 2: that this is possible. However I knew it was real.
Speaker 2: It was not expensive to attend. There was love in
Speaker 2: the air, and I got my love of Christmas back.
Speaker 2: Not only did I meet Scott, but I met his
Speaker 2: circle leader and partner Darren Wynn. Darren and I had
Speaker 2: a conversation about his getting involved in physical mediumship. It
Speaker 2: was rather a lengthy conversation, and he's got a very
Speaker 2: heavy British accent. So I transcribed, and I thought I
Speaker 2: would read you some of Darren's words. This is coming
Speaker 2: from somebody who sits with a present day physical medium.
Speaker 2: They are few and far between. There are many people
Speaker 2: that say they are physical mediums, but they charge an
Speaker 2: awful lot of money and they do some very strange things.
Speaker 2: Let us remember that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote
Speaker 2: all the Sherlock Holmes books, gave up writing Sherlock Holmes
Speaker 2: when he found out about physical mediumship and gave his
Speaker 2: life to teaching people the reality of the afterlife. Dan Aykroyd,
Speaker 2: who wrote the movie Ghostbusters, he was familiar with terms
Speaker 2: like seance and ectoplasm because his grandfather sat in these
Speaker 2: circles as well. So here are some words from Darren
Speaker 2: as read by me. Scott and I became good friends
Speaker 2: over the years. We both worked at the same merchandise
Speaker 2: department store. I was his manager, and every Wednesday he
Speaker 2: told me he needs to leave early because he's going
Speaker 2: to his study group. Little did I know his study
Speaker 2: group was actually his home circle. As time went on,
Speaker 2: we became partners and I would pick him up outside
Speaker 2: of his study group when he finished about ten o'clock
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday night. A few times Scott had invited
Speaker 2: me in to meet everybody. This sounds awful, but it
Speaker 2: was a lot of old people. I think the youngest
Speaker 2: person there was about sixty, and Scott was only in
Speaker 2: his early twenties. I thought, why is Scott hanging around
Speaker 2: with all these old people. These people were actually quite lovely,
Speaker 2: but I really didn't understand what they were doing and
Speaker 2: what they were studying. One day I got a call
Speaker 2: from Scott that someone in the group was sick and
Speaker 2: what I liked to come and join. I thought, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I wanted to see for myself what it was they
Speaker 2: were doing. So I went along and walked into the
Speaker 2: house of John Austen. He sat in his chair in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. His mobility wasn't great as he had had
Speaker 2: a stroke several years before. He was a lovely guy.
Speaker 2: He treated me like he'd known me for years, as
Speaker 2: did the rest of the group. I was quite naive
Speaker 2: back then in terms of spiritualism. Bearing in mind, I
Speaker 2: knew nothing of it. I'd never been to a spiritualist church,
Speaker 2: never seen a medium demonstration, so going into John's lounge
Speaker 2: for the first time was actually quite strange how it
Speaker 2: was set up. There was a cabinet in the bay window.
Speaker 2: It was like a box with black fabric around it,
Speaker 2: and there were several chairs dotted around in a circle
Speaker 2: with a red light in the middle. I thought this
Speaker 2: is a bit strange, and being polite, I said where
Speaker 2: would you like me to sit? They placed me in
Speaker 2: the back corner of the room between two lovely old
Speaker 2: ladies in the circle. I was trying to take in
Speaker 2: everything that was happening, but clear I wasn't understanding what
Speaker 2: was about to happen. The next minute they closed the
Speaker 2: front room door. Everything was blacked out. Even the windows
Speaker 2: were taped up so it was completely black. All I
Speaker 2: thought of was, oh my god, this is some kind
Speaker 2: of cult and these people are going to kill themselves.
Speaker 2: It was the weirdest thing. I didn't have a clue
Speaker 2: what physical mediumship was. All I know is I'm sitting
Speaker 2: in this group of old people. They turn out the
Speaker 2: lights and they turn on a little red light, and
Speaker 2: you know what, I forgot to tell you. Scott was
Speaker 2: tied down to a chair in this cabinet. They used
Speaker 2: cable ties to tie down his arms and his legs,
Speaker 2: and all I could think of was next they were
Speaker 2: going to slaughter him being tied to that chair. I
Speaker 2: know that sounds awful, but these kind of thoughts go
Speaker 2: through your head, not expecting to ever see something like this.
Speaker 2: I was just so naive and went along with it.
Speaker 2: The lights were out, the red light was on, and
Speaker 2: at this point I am gripping the hands of the
Speaker 2: two older ladies on either side of me, but everyone
Speaker 2: else in the room was totally relaxed, like this was
Speaker 2: normal for them. Next, someone did an opening prayer. Then
Speaker 2: we all started singing. A little while after that, John
Speaker 2: told us to all be quiet, and a voice formed
Speaker 2: in the cabinet. Unbeknownst to me back then, that voice
Speaker 2: is who I now know as Eric, and Eric formally
Speaker 2: came through to introduce himself to me, and he started
Speaker 2: speaking directly to me. I knew it wasn't Scott because
Speaker 2: the voice didn't sound like Scott, and I knew it
Speaker 2: wasn't anybody in the room. This, I found out was
Speaker 2: a separate, independent voice. I feel a little bad for Darren.
Speaker 2: Scott didn't tell him anything that he was walking into
Speaker 2: and now that I've known Scott about seven years, that's
Speaker 2: just his personality. I flew across the world to attend
Speaker 2: one of these seances, and now I've been to several
Speaker 2: dozen of them, and thankfully, now that the world is
Speaker 2: cleaning up, there's more to come. If you go to
Speaker 2: the Scott Milligan page Atweedn'tdie dot com, you can see
Speaker 2: what's coming up. But we'll go to the break and
Speaker 2: then I'll come back with some more stories from Darren.
Speaker 2: So much happened that he didn't even believe was possible,
Speaker 2: but that gave him his introduction to physical and trance mediumship,
Speaker 2: and now he's spent years by Scott side and working
Speaker 2: with the spirit world. So let's go to the break.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and last
Speaker 2: we heard, our friend Darren is sitting with a group
Speaker 2: of older people all holding hands in a small room.
Speaker 2: His partner, Scott is tied down to a chair in
Speaker 2: a cabinet, and the voice, which he now knows is Eric,
Speaker 2: was speaking to him, so let me continue reading his story.
Speaker 2: I communicated with Eric for just a little while. It
Speaker 2: was a brief conversation, and he welcomed me to the circle.
Speaker 2: I should also tell you that there was a small
Speaker 2: wooden board in the middle of the room. It was
Speaker 2: about a meter three feet square, put on top of
Speaker 2: the carpet in this room. On the board there was
Speaker 2: a trumpet. There was a drum, a bell, and a
Speaker 2: couple other bits and pieces. After Eric was done talking
Speaker 2: to me, we continued to sing and the trumpet began
Speaker 2: to lift off the floor. It was luminescent due to
Speaker 2: glow in the dark tape. I could see the board
Speaker 2: was moving underneath it, and the trumpet came over to me.
Speaker 2: I thought, what on earth is going on? We just
Speaker 2: kept singing. I held these ladies' hands tight, but oh
Speaker 2: my god, I was absolutely petrified. Eventually it all came
Speaker 2: to an end, and I thought, thank God, this is over.
Speaker 2: But then a part of me was intrigued at the
Speaker 2: same time. What was it that I had just witnessed?
Speaker 2: How could this trumpet float off the floor? My mind
Speaker 2: was questioning everything. I saw Scott and he kind of
Speaker 2: gave me that, look, what are you thinking. We all
Speaker 2: left the room, went into the kitchen, had a cup
Speaker 2: of tea and a bit of cake and a chat.
Speaker 2: And that's when John Austin said to me, do you
Speaker 2: want to come back next week? And I said yes, definitely.
Speaker 2: But the following week came and I never went. Scott
Speaker 2: never mentioned it. Several weeks past and Scott said to me, oh,
Speaker 2: someone's called him sick again from home circle. Do you
Speaker 2: want to come back and help with the power again.
Speaker 2: Darren has spent years now by Scott's side at these
Speaker 2: home circles. He tells the story of when he first
Speaker 2: saw Scott, when Eric was talking through him and Scott
Speaker 2: was not in the cabinet. He said, when Eric came
Speaker 2: through and spoke, I looked at Scott and almost fell
Speaker 2: off my chair. His face was completely different. All of
Speaker 2: his features had changed, and his demeanor had changed. He
Speaker 2: was stooped over, like he was taking on the personality
Speaker 2: of this person. I had never seen that before. That
Speaker 2: is what was called overshadowing. At this point, I ask
Speaker 2: Darren to back up a little bit and talk about
Speaker 2: physical mediumship. Here's what he says. With physical mediumship, the
Speaker 2: reason it's done in the dark is that there is
Speaker 2: a substance known as ectoplasm that exudes from the medium.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not a scientific person, but I believe we
Speaker 2: all carry this ectoplasm. But with physical mediums they're able
Speaker 2: to produce far more in quantity than we can. Ectoplasm
Speaker 2: stems from the pancreas and it's a mixture of bodily
Speaker 2: fluids white blood cells, red blood cells, and other fluids
Speaker 2: in the body. And the spirit world can extract this
Speaker 2: ectoplasm from the medium from any orifice. It can come
Speaker 2: from the the mouth, the ears, through the pores of
Speaker 2: the skin, the belly button, et cetera. But from what
Speaker 2: I've witnessed with Scott over the many years, it comes
Speaker 2: generally from his nose or mouth. It becomes a vapor form.
Speaker 2: In the minute it hits the atmosphere, it becomes solid.
Speaker 2: I know scientists who have managed to get a sample
Speaker 2: of this ectoplasm and tested it. Most components belong to
Speaker 2: the human being, but there is one component that is
Speaker 2: not of this world. So with ectoplasm, it just comes
Speaker 2: out of the medium and it can come out in
Speaker 2: copious amounts. The best way I can describe it is
Speaker 2: it looks like a white cloth that is attached to
Speaker 2: the medium. It's part of the medium's life force. I've
Speaker 2: seen it in red light, and yes, it looks like
Speaker 2: white cloth, and in it the spirit world can form
Speaker 2: hands or step into it and become again. They can
Speaker 2: also form rods in the ectoplasm. They can use these
Speaker 2: rods to lift objects like the trumpet. They're very intelligent.
Speaker 2: The trumpet can be lifted and moved around the room,
Speaker 2: done ever so gently or very fast, but if it
Speaker 2: comes near to people, it comes so gently and might
Speaker 2: just tap you on the shoulder. I've been in demonstrations
Speaker 2: where the spirit person can actually cloak themselves in the
Speaker 2: ectoplasm and become as solid as you or I am.
Speaker 2: They can walk around the room, they can shake hands,
Speaker 2: and they can talk to you, and you can hear them.
Speaker 2: If the floor is wooden, you can hear the people
Speaker 2: walking across. For one demonstration, I sat helping a circle
Speaker 2: leader and sat on one side of the cabinet. One
Speaker 2: of Scott's main controls came out. I heard him walking
Speaker 2: around and he spoke to the lady next to me.
Speaker 2: It was the height of summer in the UK, and
Speaker 2: when it gets hot in the UK, it gets really hot.
Speaker 2: We were all sitting in our swimming shorts and T shirts.
Speaker 2: I will never forget this because as the spirit person
Speaker 2: came over to talk to the lady, he was dressed
Speaker 2: quite differently. As he was talking to her, he leant
Speaker 2: against me. Because it was such a small room, I
Speaker 2: could feel his leather boots. Nobody in that room had
Speaker 2: leather boots on. I could feel his coat, and as
Speaker 2: he leaned against me, I could feel the sleeves of
Speaker 2: the coat on my arms. I could feel he had
Speaker 2: a tweed material jacket on, and he was dressed as
Speaker 2: a proper gentleman. I know it sounds weird to say it,
Speaker 2: but just feeling a tweed jacket was the most bizarre thing.
Speaker 2: And feeling these tall leather boots and knowing that no
Speaker 2: one in the room was wearing that. Spirit people can
Speaker 2: walk around the room and be as solid as we are.
Speaker 2: They can also form a voice box with the ectoplasm
Speaker 2: as well. The voice box is independent from the medium
Speaker 2: and the closest I can describe it, it's like a mouth.
Speaker 2: You can see a mouth forming in the ecdoplasm, and
Speaker 2: it's the closest a spirit person can get to the
Speaker 2: sound of how they actually sounded in life. It will
Speaker 2: sound like them, but not one hundred percent. It's hard
Speaker 2: to work for the spirit person, I'm convinced, because they
Speaker 2: cannot hear their own voice. They have to work from
Speaker 2: memory to try to recreate how their voice sounded when
Speaker 2: they lived. In a seance, if you're lucky, you may
Speaker 2: just hear from your loved one. You may hear their
Speaker 2: voice through the voice box. They may touch you, or
Speaker 2: if you're lucky, they may fully or partially materialize. They
Speaker 2: may be able to hold your hand, or you can
Speaker 2: touch their face. I've witnessed all kinds of different scenarios.
Speaker 2: But why is it done in the dark. I think
Speaker 2: because ectoplasm comes from so deep inside the body. It's
Speaker 2: never been exposed to any degree of light. It is
Speaker 2: said it is extremely light sensitive. I've been lucky enough
Speaker 2: to see the ectoplasm a number of times in red
Speaker 2: light controlled red light. But it's literally the spirit world
Speaker 2: that will say, Darren, listen to our instructions very carefully.
Speaker 2: When we say turn the red light on for ten
Speaker 2: seconds and turn it off. You will have to follow
Speaker 2: the instructions very carefully. I know people sitting in the
Speaker 2: circle get annoyed because they've never sat in a physical
Speaker 2: medium demonstration, but we have to follow what the spirit
Speaker 2: world says. In public demonstrations, when someone from the spirit
Speaker 2: world materialize, I may ask the question, what part of
Speaker 2: you is materialized? That may sound awful, but sometimes if
Speaker 2: there's a little child materialized, it might just be one hand,
Speaker 2: one leg, or half of the face. To us, that's
Speaker 2: fine because we can't see it. But imagine if the
Speaker 2: light was turned on and if you've lost a child
Speaker 2: and your child materialized in that way, it would be
Speaker 2: horrific to see. But to them, they are just using
Speaker 2: their etheric body to step into the ectoplasm. Another reason
Speaker 2: I believe the seances are done in the dark. It's
Speaker 2: like in the home circle. It's needed to give extra power.
Speaker 2: With a physical medium. You need people from this world
Speaker 2: to provide the power so that those in the spirit
Speaker 2: world can do what they need to do. During the circles,
Speaker 2: we sing and we laugh. They draw from our power
Speaker 2: and sometimes they can take different members of the circle out.
Speaker 2: And when I say out, you may be sitting there
Speaker 2: and singing your heart out, and then you begin to
Speaker 2: feel drowsy or drift off, and you have no control
Speaker 2: over it, but you just go with it because that's
Speaker 2: what the spirit world is doing. They're taking an element
Speaker 2: of your power, your energy, to help with some kind
Speaker 2: of development. Now this is Sandra speaking again. After I
Speaker 2: had been to many of Scott's seances, I offered to
Speaker 2: the spirit world use me in any way you need me.
Speaker 2: If you need me as a battery, I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: And what Darren says is true. It doesn't happen with
Speaker 2: the newcomers. Don't worry about that. But with me, I
Speaker 2: had the experience of being wide awake and singing and
Speaker 2: then yawning more than any human being has ever yawned
Speaker 2: at one time. And the next thing you know, they
Speaker 2: may say, Sandra, turn on the light, and it's clear
Speaker 2: that I missed lot that was going on. But I
Speaker 2: don't mind, Darren continues. Singing is wonderful. We may not
Speaker 2: sound good, but we sing our hearts out. We have
Speaker 2: a good time while we're doing it, and we laugh
Speaker 2: and laugh is number one for providing power. But obviously
Speaker 2: it's hard to sit and laugh for two two and
Speaker 2: a half hours. So we continue to sing songs, songs
Speaker 2: that everybody knows by heart, fast songs, holiday songs. You
Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to know all the words. You just
Speaker 2: need to try and have fun. Here's something interesting the
Speaker 2: spirit world did. It was a bigger room. The spirit
Speaker 2: world pulled Scott out of the cabinet, still in his chair.
Speaker 2: They asked me to come over to see what I
Speaker 2: could feel. What I felt was Scott's chair with him
Speaker 2: in it, being upside down and balancing on one corner.
Speaker 2: I could feel him. He was still completely tied to
Speaker 2: the chair. And then in the room there was a
Speaker 2: big circular table. It probably could have seated twenty people,
Speaker 2: and it was pushed to a corner of the room.
Speaker 2: The table was touching two of the corner walls, so
Speaker 2: if you wanted to get into that corner of the room,
Speaker 2: the only way you could do it is by pulling
Speaker 2: that large table away from the wall. But when the
Speaker 2: light came on, Scott was now seated in the corner
Speaker 2: behind the table. We'll be right back. You're listening to
Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 2: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of
Speaker 2: the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and I am reading from
Speaker 2: a conversation I had with Darren Wynn, who is the
Speaker 2: circle leader for Physical Medium Scott Milligan. If you've ever
Speaker 2: come to one of our free Sunday gatherings at two
Speaker 2: o'clock New York time, you may have met Darren. Darren
Speaker 2: is on most of them, other than the times he
Speaker 2: has to work or he has to travel. So I'd
Speaker 2: like to continue with some of his stories from this
Speaker 2: seance room. As he just said how important laughter and
Speaker 2: singing is to build energy. He continues with As we
Speaker 2: progressed through the years, the phenomena came in very strong.
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of trumpet phenomena. We even saw
Speaker 2: different hands form on the glow in the dark plaque.
Speaker 2: But ultimately the reason behind everything we do is to
Speaker 2: try to create the voice box, and the voice box
Speaker 2: takes a lot more power and practice than the phenomena does.
Speaker 2: Like I explained earlier, a loved one can speak through
Speaker 2: the ectoplasmic voice box and that is independent from the medium.
Speaker 2: You can hear it up in the air, you can
Speaker 2: hear it down on the floor or you could hear
Speaker 2: it either side of the room. From the spirit person's perspective,
Speaker 2: they are able to express themselves directly to the recipient
Speaker 2: and speak in a perfect world. The communicators from the
Speaker 2: unseen world can form themselves and cloak themselves in the ectoplasm.
Speaker 2: They could walk around the room and speak directly to you,
Speaker 2: giving you communication. That has only happened on a few
Speaker 2: occasions that I have seen. I know the last time
Speaker 2: we were in New Orleans, I was really surprised. In
Speaker 2: one of the seances one of our little friends from
Speaker 2: the spirit world, Norman, who used to suffer from down
Speaker 2: syndrome when he lived, He comes through every now and again,
Speaker 2: and he likes to win your hearts. And anyone who
Speaker 2: departs this earth, if they have any kind of infirmity,
Speaker 2: they lose it when they get to the other world.
Speaker 2: They don't carry those elements with them, but when they
Speaker 2: come close to the earth they can feel like that again.
Speaker 2: But with Norman, bless him, he plays on it because
Speaker 2: he likes to be the center of attention. He wants
Speaker 2: everyone to fall in love with him. So he comes
Speaker 2: back with down syndrome, and in the seance in New Orleans,
Speaker 2: Norman actually materialized. He was walking around the room talking
Speaker 2: to people in the circle. He was placing his hands
Speaker 2: on people, and then he did something he's never done before.
Speaker 2: He started giving out communication. He said, I have a
Speaker 2: little girl here. I don't remember her name, but Norman
Speaker 2: knew it. He gave so much information about this girl
Speaker 2: and I thought he's never done that before. And then
Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to do something. There was one
Speaker 2: woman in the room who understood all of the information,
Speaker 2: and it was her daughter. He stood right in front
Speaker 2: of her and he said, I'm going to do something
Speaker 2: for you now, and he materialized her daughter from him. So,
Speaker 2: if you can visualize, little Norman materialized from an ectoplasmic
Speaker 2: rod coming from Scott and now another materialized form comes
Speaker 2: from Norman. So Norman walked over to the left side
Speaker 2: of the room and was talking to people, and this
Speaker 2: little girl went running over and stood right in front
Speaker 2: and talked to her mom. Everyone felt the love. I
Speaker 2: was gobsmacked. After all these years of sitting, I've never
Speaker 2: seen I've seen that one before. Two people materialized, but
Speaker 2: one of them solely for the mother and talking to
Speaker 2: her mother and touching her mother. It was such a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing to take part of. A lot of people
Speaker 2: come to the seances and they say, I want to
Speaker 2: see this, I want to see that, I want to
Speaker 2: see the trumpet lift, I want to see lights. But
Speaker 2: a lot of people forget about the communication element of it.
Speaker 2: I've been in hundreds of seances. Now, when you hear
Speaker 2: a loved one communicating through the voice box, it is
Speaker 2: so special and so rare. I can't even begin to
Speaker 2: explain how that feels. I always say to people, go
Speaker 2: into the seance room with an open mind and an
Speaker 2: open heart, and please be open to anything. Don't go
Speaker 2: in with preconceived ideas, or don't go in with wants
Speaker 2: and desires. Another time, we were scheduled to do a
Speaker 2: seance in wheelchair in the north part of the UK,
Speaker 2: but we forgot it was a bank holiday. We were
Speaker 2: driving up there and it should have taken four and
Speaker 2: a half hours, but it took ten and a half
Speaker 2: hours for us to get there. Normally, when we arrived
Speaker 2: for a seance, I spend time with the people doing
Speaker 2: a pre talk. At this time I couldn't. I made
Speaker 2: it very short. Scott sat in the chair. We played
Speaker 2: three tracks of music, allowing Scott's mind to settle a
Speaker 2: little before we began singing. Within ten seconds of the
Speaker 2: music going on, the voice box had formed. There was
Speaker 2: a girl who was seated two seats from me, and
Speaker 2: I heard, as clear as I have ever heard it,
Speaker 2: a voice. It was her dad who came through and
Speaker 2: spoke to her. Of course, we didn't know who it was.
Speaker 2: We had never been there before. We found out her
Speaker 2: father passed three days before and they hadn't even buried him.
Speaker 2: And he came and he spoke to her, gave her evidence,
Speaker 2: communicated it was beautiful. Another time, a guy was seated
Speaker 2: two seats away from the cabinet. If you looked at
Speaker 2: this guy, he was big and muscular and covered in tattoos.
Speaker 2: He's not the sort of person you would have thought
Speaker 2: would be spiritual in coming to a seance. I was
Speaker 2: a bit concerned about him. I knew I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: a preconceived notion by his looks, but he looked rather
Speaker 2: rough and tough. But we are all human, And in
Speaker 2: this seance, this gentleman's wife came through and she was
Speaker 2: talking directly to him. This man started to cry. It
Speaker 2: wasn't til afterwards we realized his wife had only passed
Speaker 2: a few months before. I believe they had three children
Speaker 2: and one was a six month old baby. And to
Speaker 2: see how this reunion changed his life, that's why we
Speaker 2: do this. I met Scott and Darren back in twenty
Speaker 2: and sixteen when I took that trip over to England,
Speaker 2: and of course I went back several times. It was
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eighteen I think that I invited
Speaker 2: Scott to come to America and he spoke at a
Speaker 2: conference about the afterlife. He also did some of the seances.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and nineteen, I held three We Don't
Speaker 2: Die events, two in Orlando and one in Boston. We
Speaker 2: are very excited for these groups of people to experience
Speaker 2: these seances, as well as here from mister Eric and
Speaker 2: Daniel and morning Star who were through Scott's trance mediumship.
Speaker 2: And then we all know what happened. March twenty twenty
Speaker 2: came and the world sat still for many years. Although
Speaker 2: I don't have any big plans of traveling right now
Speaker 2: and I spend my time here with Mom. I am
Speaker 2: happy to report that our tutor team, Carrie and Phil
Speaker 2: are teaching mediumship around the world and Scott and Darren
Speaker 2: have just begun to create retreats that you can sit
Speaker 2: with them, learn about this special kind of mediumship and others,
Speaker 2: and attend one of these seances. And of course, even
Speaker 2: if you cannot travel, you can always keep listening to
Speaker 2: shades of the afterlife, and I'll bring you as much
Speaker 2: comforting words about the afterlife and words of wisdom about
Speaker 2: living a powerful life as I can. This form of
Speaker 2: mediumship physical mediumship is extremely rare. There may still be hundreds,
Speaker 2: if not thousands, of what's called home circles like Darren
Speaker 2: was talking about with John Austen, small groups of people
Speaker 2: coming together, singing, inviting a space for the spirit world
Speaker 2: to come forward. This form of mediumship was the form
Speaker 2: of mediumship back eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds when World
Speaker 2: War One hit, there was so much death and people
Speaker 2: were desperate to know that their loved ones live on. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of con artists came out of the
Speaker 2: woodwork to con people out of their money and fictitiously
Speaker 2: create these seances saying that their loved ones had lived on.
Speaker 3: You know the.
Speaker 2: Expression don't throw the baby out with the bathroom, Well
Speaker 2: that's what happened with physical mediumship. It was thought of
Speaker 2: as fraudulent, and of course it takes place in the dark,
Speaker 2: so people chalked it up too it's not real. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: the spirit world stepped forward and the birth of evidential
Speaker 2: mediumship started. When you go pay a medium and they
Speaker 2: tell you about your deceased loved one. Scott Milligan, Darren
Speaker 2: and I have been on a quest to teach people
Speaker 2: how to sit for yourself and invite in the love
Speaker 2: of your spirit team. How do you meet with other
Speaker 2: people to create the space for the spirit world to
Speaker 2: work through you. Are there still con artists in the
Speaker 2: world practicing physical mediumship? Yeah, unfortunately they are. I wish
Speaker 2: I could give you some names to recommend. Right now,
Speaker 2: it's just Scott Milligan and his sittings are few and
Speaker 2: far between, but there are some coming up in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four and more in the future. I'm sure. Beware
Speaker 2: of the people that produce gemstones, charge a lot of
Speaker 2: money and do things that insult your intelligence. They're out there.
Speaker 2: You want to hear stories from people of loved ones
Speaker 2: coming through. They shouldn't cost you a lot of money,
Speaker 2: and you should always feel that presence of the Spirit world.
Speaker 2: If you go back on some of my earlier episodes,
Speaker 2: you'll hear the voice of Sir Arthur Conan, Doyle, dan Ackroyd,
Speaker 2: Scott Milligan telling his experience, Physicist Jan Vandersandy sharing how
Speaker 2: he got into mediumship and more So, it is time
Speaker 2: for our break, and when we come back, I'm going
Speaker 2: to play a little bit from inside the seance room
Speaker 2: for you. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 2: What I'd like to do now is play for you
Speaker 2: a part of a seance with Darren, with myself with
Speaker 2: Scott Milligan. I'd like to dedicate this episode to Mary
Speaker 2: Beth Levecchio. Mary Beth was minister of a church in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 2: It was her that organized the seances in her church.
Speaker 2: Mary Beth has passed to the spirit world this year.
Speaker 2: She had come to our Live We Don't Die events.
Speaker 2: She volunteered. She gave herself freely to all of humanity
Speaker 2: and I know for sure she is still working from
Speaker 2: the other side of life. There were about forty people
Speaker 2: that attended this scance. We had a pre talk before
Speaker 2: people entered the room what to expect, what to do,
Speaker 2: what not to do. Everyone took their shoes off, they
Speaker 2: took their jewelry off, and why we do that is
Speaker 2: sometimes there's an apport that shows up in the room
Speaker 2: from the other side, and it's to be sure that
Speaker 2: no one brought anything in with them. Scott is seated
Speaker 2: in a chair tied down. Everyone can search him make
Speaker 2: sure there's nothing on his person that he cannot manipulate
Speaker 2: anything and make these sounds himself, and he's strapped in tight.
Speaker 2: Everyone in the circle is instructed to hold hands. If
Speaker 2: anyone breaks the circle, we have to notify the circle leader,
Speaker 2: which is Darren, so we all know that no one
Speaker 2: is getting up and creating this phenomena. In the center
Speaker 2: of this room, there were some hula hoops, musical instruments,
Speaker 2: and lots of toys. After the lights went out, three
Speaker 2: pieces of Scott's favorite music were played just to relax
Speaker 2: his mind. You'll hear Darren's voice in the beginning. Then
Speaker 2: I edited out probably three songs, and then you'll hear
Speaker 2: Doe a Deer and you'll hear a spirit child playing
Speaker 2: the piano, toy piano, and then some drums come in
Speaker 2: and we'll see how much we have time for in
Speaker 2: this segment. This is edited from a two hour seance Enjoy.
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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, everybody, oh yeah, and.
Speaker 4: We'll start singing all the holls out hair tre gray,
Speaker 4: drop a boa.
Speaker 5: I call myself brow so holy, you'll hold your bry.
Speaker 4: I know to foma's see.
Speaker 2: You drink the jagging bread that would bring.
Speaker 5: A back to tell.
Speaker 4: Smale deer.
Speaker 5: At the son o myself, So I needle pulling dread.
Speaker 4: I know to follow, so tea drink the jagging bread that.
Speaker 5: Would bring a back to do.
Speaker 2: To email and mank you right as.
Speaker 5: Me ma, I oh myself, so I need no clothing.
Speaker 5: I know it by start to stay clothing.
Speaker 4: Don't have that.
Speaker 5: Beautiful very nice. That's the horn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of fun toys down there, A
Speaker 2: lot of fun toys. Yeah you say, baragod. A lot
Speaker 2: of explore down there, beautiful. So there's lots of laughter.
Speaker 2: There's lots of children playing in the center that we
Speaker 2: can't see. We had tons of toys down there, a
Speaker 2: lot of them with glow in the dark. Hula hoops
Speaker 2: are floating around. We heard the drum bang and the piano.
Speaker 2: Eventually we heard a horn and a harmonica. Stuffed animals
Speaker 2: are being put on people's laps. There's a glow in
Speaker 2: the dark plaque. A little spirit girl was showing her
Speaker 2: hands to us. Keep in mind we all were holding
Speaker 2: hands the whole time. The spirit kids played for a while,
Speaker 2: we started singing again to build the energy. And next
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear the voice of Daniel, who speaks through Scott.
Speaker 4: Can I keep you so much better?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can I keep you? Yes?
Speaker 2: Of course, from this point Daniel goes on to address
Speaker 2: the group. Daniel's very fun. He comes through with a
Speaker 2: childlike manner to get people laughing, to build the energy,
Speaker 2: teaching us not to be afraid, and then he works
Speaker 2: as a medium. He'll say, I have a boy here
Speaker 2: who says his mom is here and gives some d details.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna fast forward through all of that, but
Speaker 2: you'll be able to hear a whisper of a young
Speaker 2: man speaking through this ectoplasmic voice box.
Speaker 5: Can you still?
Speaker 2: Can you yes?
Speaker 3: And I'll say you've been around my family in the South.
Speaker 1: Someone's help good me to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Someone's helping me because I'm not as square as I
Speaker 4: and everybody. That's okay.
Speaker 5: Yes, she's helping me.
Speaker 4: Oh she's up. Thank you for helping.
Speaker 5: Yes, I can hear.
Speaker 6: Is it something to do with dog tax Yes. He
Speaker 6: keeps referring to the chain with dog tags. His whole
Speaker 6: family's military. I was military.
Speaker 4: Do you know he looks he's looking at the har
Speaker 4: monica and he's going to do that. Miss Smith's fellow
Speaker 4: doesn't turn his back to anyone. He doesn't turn his
Speaker 4: back to anyone because he said it could. I'll do
Speaker 4: anything because life's worth living and doing everything you could
Speaker 4: possibly can do. You know he would have thrown himself
Speaker 4: out of plane. You know, he's that kind of character.
Speaker 3: His grandfather played the harmonica, and he's with his grandpa.
Speaker 4: I would have liked to told you that though.
Speaker 2: Of course, as you can see, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: humor involved. The next hour was Daniel bringing through loved
Speaker 2: ones for mainly parents. Nobody knew it at the time,
Speaker 2: but there was a big group from the organization helping
Speaker 2: parents heal there so parents got to be reunited with
Speaker 2: their children. I don't feel it's appropriate because some of
Speaker 2: the conversations were private, so just trust me they were
Speaker 2: beautiful and maybe you can join us at a future
Speaker 2: time at one of these seances. So I'll play a
Speaker 2: little bit more. Again. This is all edited from I
Speaker 2: think two and a half hours we were sitting there
Speaker 2: in the dark.
Speaker 4: It is time for us to leave you in the silence,
Speaker 4: so that you can then reflect on how you are
Speaker 4: the angels that have held the doors of heaven open.
Speaker 4: May you understand it is not I or He who
Speaker 4: brings the children that have spoken this night. It is you,
Speaker 4: those who have come to speak to their parents. May
Speaker 4: you realize that it was possible through your love. No
Speaker 4: one truly dies. Death comes to release you from the husk.
Speaker 4: As I said to you all on another occasion, you
Speaker 4: are born to pay taxes to die. What you do
Speaker 4: with your life is yours. But may you need this
Speaker 4: place for smiles and happiness, to know that the dead
Speaker 4: do not sleep. So do not stand at my grave.
Speaker 4: And because I'm not there, if you are in distress,
Speaker 4: look to the stars and see how they shine. You
Speaker 4: may not be able to touch the stars that the
Speaker 4: light can touch you. So miss us not for I've
Speaker 4: not gone. I live within your hearts. I will speak
Speaker 4: again in the opportunity to answer questions on another occasion.
Speaker 4: I thank you all on behalf of the Austin Wish
Speaker 4: Circle who have sat to allow us to speak. So
Speaker 4: I thank you humbly and heartily, Potatoes and poodles.
Speaker 2: I miss being in those seance rooms that I know
Speaker 2: I will be again. If you want to join us sometime,
Speaker 2: go to We Don't Die dot com click on the
Speaker 2: Scott Milligan page. He's got a great glass on home
Speaker 2: circles as well, and of course you can always join
Speaker 2: us at our free Sunday gathering. I'm Sandra Champlain and
Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart, thank you for listening
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