1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My dear 16 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: mom has been bugging me to go to her hairdresser, Dorine. 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: I didn't object to going to her, It's just I 18 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: didn't need a haircut. Guess what. A few days ago 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: I went to Doreen. She's about my age, and you 20 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: know how we get into conversations, right, whether it's a 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: bartender or a hairdresser, it all seems to come out. 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: So I ended up telling her about Shades of the Afterlife, 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: my book We Don't Die. She says, oh, I can 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: tell you about my second job. She is a hairdresser 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: at a funeral home. It took me a second to 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: get my head around that, she said. It was difficult 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: in the beginning thinking about what she was doing, but 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: then understanding, Yeah, everybody wants to look their best, and 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: she wants to give families nice last memories of their life. 30 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: So then we get into a conversation about the funeral 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: home she works at, family owned, loving how much grief support, 32 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: and how they care about people. Although I'm well over 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty episodes of Shades of the Afterlife now, 34 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: I have never really truly embraced that someday I'm going 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: to depart this earth. I do have a will, but 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: I don't know particulars as to what happens when someone dies. 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: I'm here with my mom. One of us is probably 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: going to go first. What happens? Does one call nine 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: to one one? Do you call a funeral? Home. I 40 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: just didn't know. So yesterday I was bold and I 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: reached out and I talked to a nice funeral director 42 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: named Brenna. She thought I wanted to pre plan my funeral. 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm not ready for that, Brenna, but I asked for 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: those basic questions and she said yes. Indeed, if you 45 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: find one or the other passed away, you call nine 46 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: to one one first. If your loved one dies in 47 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: hospice or hospital, those organizations can proclaim the person dead 48 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: and then you move on to making the arrangements with 49 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: the funeral home. So Brenna is going to mail me 50 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: a pre planning guide, actually one for me and one 51 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: for Mom, so that we can put everything down that 52 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: we want and answer whatever questions there are to make 53 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: things smoother for our loved ones left behind. Of course, 54 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: we'll be greeted by our loved ones who have already 55 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: passed on when that comes in. I'll let you know 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: I think it's vitally important to not only embrace the 57 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: reality of life after death, but I think we'd live 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: a better life if we had all of those arrangements planned. 59 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: So I'll keep you posted on that. The fall season 60 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: is here in New England Christmas decorations are up far 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: too early. I had this flashback of how much I 62 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: used to hate Christmas and the holidays. You see, I 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: loved Christmas when I was a kid growing up. My 64 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: parents divorced when I was about fourteen, and the magic 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: was gone. I would get downright angry when i'd hear 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: a Christmas carol. I think I was just grieving for 67 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: many years. Well, fast forward to twenty seventeen. That's when 68 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: I took my first trip to the UK to learn 69 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: about physical mediumship. You've heard trance medium Scott Milligan a 70 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: number of times on Shades of the Afterlife, but that's 71 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: where I first met him, and I can tell you 72 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: the magic of Christmas came back. I attended what's called 73 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: a physical medium seance with Scott. Picture this Scott is 74 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: tied down to a chair to make sure he is 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: not manipulating anything. There's a circle about twenty five people, 76 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: twenty five chairs. Our butts are in the seats, the 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: lights go out, everyone's holding hands. We sing our hearts 78 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: out and yes, we sang Christmas carols. And in the 79 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: center of the room there was a fake Christmas tree 80 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: with lots of wrapped presents beneath it, all toys and such. 81 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: You've heard the voice of mister Eric before his voice 82 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: said a few words, there's also a voice of Daniel 83 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: that works with Scott. And then they said the children 84 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: have arrived. It was like a dozen children filled the room. 85 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 2: All the Christmas presents got unwrapped at the very same time, 86 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: so you could hear the wrapping paper just flying everywhere. 87 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: And suddenly toy drums started being beaten, a toy piano 88 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 2: was played, A glow in the dark car was flying 89 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: across the room. There were hula hoops that had glow 90 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: in the Dark tape on them. They seemed to be 91 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: floating around, and so much more. That was my first introduction, 92 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: and what followed were voices of loved ones which seemed 93 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: to come right out of mid air, and I was hooked. 94 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: For the skeptical mind, it's so easy not to believe 95 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: that this is possible. However I knew it was real. 96 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: It was not expensive to attend. There was love in 97 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: the air, and I got my love of Christmas back. 98 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: Not only did I meet Scott, but I met his 99 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: circle leader and partner Darren Wynn. Darren and I had 100 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 2: a conversation about his getting involved in physical mediumship. It 101 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: was rather a lengthy conversation, and he's got a very 102 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: heavy British accent. So I transcribed, and I thought I 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: would read you some of Darren's words. This is coming 104 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: from somebody who sits with a present day physical medium. 105 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: They are few and far between. There are many people 106 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: that say they are physical mediums, but they charge an 107 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: awful lot of money and they do some very strange things. 108 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: Let us remember that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who wrote 109 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: all the Sherlock Holmes books, gave up writing Sherlock Holmes 110 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: when he found out about physical mediumship and gave his 111 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: life to teaching people the reality of the afterlife. Dan Aykroyd, 112 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: who wrote the movie Ghostbusters, he was familiar with terms 113 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: like seance and ectoplasm because his grandfather sat in these 114 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: circles as well. So here are some words from Darren 115 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: as read by me. Scott and I became good friends 116 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: over the years. We both worked at the same merchandise 117 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: department store. I was his manager, and every Wednesday he 118 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: told me he needs to leave early because he's going 119 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: to his study group. Little did I know his study 120 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: group was actually his home circle. As time went on, 121 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: we became partners and I would pick him up outside 122 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: of his study group when he finished about ten o'clock 123 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: on a Wednesday night. A few times Scott had invited 124 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: me in to meet everybody. This sounds awful, but it 125 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: was a lot of old people. I think the youngest 126 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: person there was about sixty, and Scott was only in 127 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: his early twenties. I thought, why is Scott hanging around 128 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: with all these old people. These people were actually quite lovely, 129 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: but I really didn't understand what they were doing and 130 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: what they were studying. One day I got a call 131 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: from Scott that someone in the group was sick and 132 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: what I liked to come and join. I thought, yeah, okay, 133 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to see for myself what it was they 134 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: were doing. So I went along and walked into the 135 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: house of John Austen. He sat in his chair in 136 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: the kitchen. His mobility wasn't great as he had had 137 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: a stroke several years before. He was a lovely guy. 138 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: He treated me like he'd known me for years, as 139 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: did the rest of the group. I was quite naive 140 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: back then in terms of spiritualism. Bearing in mind, I 141 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: knew nothing of it. I'd never been to a spiritualist church, 142 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: never seen a medium demonstration, so going into John's lounge 143 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: for the first time was actually quite strange how it 144 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: was set up. There was a cabinet in the bay window. 145 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: It was like a box with black fabric around it, 146 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: and there were several chairs dotted around in a circle 147 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: with a red light in the middle. I thought this 148 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: is a bit strange, and being polite, I said where 149 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: would you like me to sit? They placed me in 150 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: the back corner of the room between two lovely old 151 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: ladies in the circle. I was trying to take in 152 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: everything that was happening, but clear I wasn't understanding what 153 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: was about to happen. The next minute they closed the 154 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: front room door. Everything was blacked out. Even the windows 155 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: were taped up so it was completely black. All I 156 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: thought of was, oh my god, this is some kind 157 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: of cult and these people are going to kill themselves. 158 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: It was the weirdest thing. I didn't have a clue 159 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: what physical mediumship was. All I know is I'm sitting 160 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: in this group of old people. They turn out the 161 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: lights and they turn on a little red light, and 162 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: you know what, I forgot to tell you. Scott was 163 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: tied down to a chair in this cabinet. They used 164 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: cable ties to tie down his arms and his legs, 165 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: and all I could think of was next they were 166 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: going to slaughter him being tied to that chair. I 167 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: know that sounds awful, but these kind of thoughts go 168 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: through your head, not expecting to ever see something like this. 169 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: I was just so naive and went along with it. 170 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: The lights were out, the red light was on, and 171 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: at this point I am gripping the hands of the 172 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: two older ladies on either side of me, but everyone 173 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: else in the room was totally relaxed, like this was 174 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: normal for them. Next, someone did an opening prayer. Then 175 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: we all started singing. A little while after that, John 176 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: told us to all be quiet, and a voice formed 177 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: in the cabinet. Unbeknownst to me back then, that voice 178 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 2: is who I now know as Eric, and Eric formally 179 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: came through to introduce himself to me, and he started 180 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: speaking directly to me. I knew it wasn't Scott because 181 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: the voice didn't sound like Scott, and I knew it 182 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: wasn't anybody in the room. This, I found out was 183 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: a separate, independent voice. I feel a little bad for Darren. 184 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: Scott didn't tell him anything that he was walking into 185 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: and now that I've known Scott about seven years, that's 186 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: just his personality. I flew across the world to attend 187 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: one of these seances, and now I've been to several 188 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: dozen of them, and thankfully, now that the world is 189 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: cleaning up, there's more to come. If you go to 190 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: the Scott Milligan page Atweedn'tdie dot com, you can see 191 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: what's coming up. But we'll go to the break and 192 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 2: then I'll come back with some more stories from Darren. 193 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: So much happened that he didn't even believe was possible, 194 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: but that gave him his introduction to physical and trance mediumship, 195 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: and now he's spent years by Scott side and working 196 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: with the spirit world. So let's go to the break. 197 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 198 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 199 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, and last 200 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: we heard, our friend Darren is sitting with a group 201 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: of older people all holding hands in a small room. 202 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: His partner, Scott is tied down to a chair in 203 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: a cabinet, and the voice, which he now knows is Eric, 204 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: was speaking to him, so let me continue reading his story. 205 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: I communicated with Eric for just a little while. It 206 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: was a brief conversation, and he welcomed me to the circle. 207 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: I should also tell you that there was a small 208 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: wooden board in the middle of the room. It was 209 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: about a meter three feet square, put on top of 210 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: the carpet in this room. On the board there was 211 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: a trumpet. There was a drum, a bell, and a 212 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: couple other bits and pieces. After Eric was done talking 213 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: to me, we continued to sing and the trumpet began 214 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: to lift off the floor. It was luminescent due to 215 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: glow in the dark tape. I could see the board 216 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: was moving underneath it, and the trumpet came over to me. 217 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: I thought, what on earth is going on? We just 218 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: kept singing. I held these ladies' hands tight, but oh 219 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: my god, I was absolutely petrified. Eventually it all came 220 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: to an end, and I thought, thank God, this is over. 221 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: But then a part of me was intrigued at the 222 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: same time. What was it that I had just witnessed? 223 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: How could this trumpet float off the floor? My mind 224 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: was questioning everything. I saw Scott and he kind of 225 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: gave me that, look, what are you thinking. We all 226 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: left the room, went into the kitchen, had a cup 227 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: of tea and a bit of cake and a chat. 228 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: And that's when John Austin said to me, do you 229 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: want to come back next week? And I said yes, definitely. 230 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: But the following week came and I never went. Scott 231 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: never mentioned it. Several weeks past and Scott said to me, oh, 232 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: someone's called him sick again from home circle. Do you 233 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: want to come back and help with the power again. 234 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: Darren has spent years now by Scott's side at these 235 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: home circles. He tells the story of when he first 236 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: saw Scott, when Eric was talking through him and Scott 237 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: was not in the cabinet. He said, when Eric came 238 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: through and spoke, I looked at Scott and almost fell 239 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: off my chair. His face was completely different. All of 240 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: his features had changed, and his demeanor had changed. He 241 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: was stooped over, like he was taking on the personality 242 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: of this person. I had never seen that before. That 243 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: is what was called overshadowing. At this point, I ask 244 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: Darren to back up a little bit and talk about 245 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: physical mediumship. Here's what he says. With physical mediumship, the 246 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: reason it's done in the dark is that there is 247 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: a substance known as ectoplasm that exudes from the medium. 248 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: Now I'm not a scientific person, but I believe we 249 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: all carry this ectoplasm. But with physical mediums they're able 250 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: to produce far more in quantity than we can. Ectoplasm 251 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: stems from the pancreas and it's a mixture of bodily 252 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: fluids white blood cells, red blood cells, and other fluids 253 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: in the body. And the spirit world can extract this 254 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: ectoplasm from the medium from any orifice. It can come 255 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: from the the mouth, the ears, through the pores of 256 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: the skin, the belly button, et cetera. But from what 257 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: I've witnessed with Scott over the many years, it comes 258 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: generally from his nose or mouth. It becomes a vapor form. 259 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 2: In the minute it hits the atmosphere, it becomes solid. 260 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: I know scientists who have managed to get a sample 261 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: of this ectoplasm and tested it. Most components belong to 262 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: the human being, but there is one component that is 263 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: not of this world. So with ectoplasm, it just comes 264 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: out of the medium and it can come out in 265 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: copious amounts. The best way I can describe it is 266 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: it looks like a white cloth that is attached to 267 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: the medium. It's part of the medium's life force. I've 268 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: seen it in red light, and yes, it looks like 269 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: white cloth, and in it the spirit world can form 270 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: hands or step into it and become again. They can 271 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: also form rods in the ectoplasm. They can use these 272 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: rods to lift objects like the trumpet. They're very intelligent. 273 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: The trumpet can be lifted and moved around the room, 274 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: done ever so gently or very fast, but if it 275 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: comes near to people, it comes so gently and might 276 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: just tap you on the shoulder. I've been in demonstrations 277 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: where the spirit person can actually cloak themselves in the 278 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: ectoplasm and become as solid as you or I am. 279 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: They can walk around the room, they can shake hands, 280 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: and they can talk to you, and you can hear them. 281 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 2: If the floor is wooden, you can hear the people 282 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: walking across. For one demonstration, I sat helping a circle 283 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: leader and sat on one side of the cabinet. One 284 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: of Scott's main controls came out. I heard him walking 285 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: around and he spoke to the lady next to me. 286 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: It was the height of summer in the UK, and 287 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: when it gets hot in the UK, it gets really hot. 288 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 2: We were all sitting in our swimming shorts and T shirts. 289 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: I will never forget this because as the spirit person 290 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: came over to talk to the lady, he was dressed 291 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: quite differently. As he was talking to her, he leant 292 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: against me. Because it was such a small room, I 293 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: could feel his leather boots. Nobody in that room had 294 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 2: leather boots on. I could feel his coat, and as 295 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: he leaned against me, I could feel the sleeves of 296 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: the coat on my arms. I could feel he had 297 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: a tweed material jacket on, and he was dressed as 298 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: a proper gentleman. I know it sounds weird to say it, 299 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: but just feeling a tweed jacket was the most bizarre thing. 300 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 2: And feeling these tall leather boots and knowing that no 301 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: one in the room was wearing that. Spirit people can 302 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: walk around the room and be as solid as we are. 303 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: They can also form a voice box with the ectoplasm 304 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 2: as well. The voice box is independent from the medium 305 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: and the closest I can describe it, it's like a mouth. 306 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: You can see a mouth forming in the ecdoplasm, and 307 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: it's the closest a spirit person can get to the 308 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: sound of how they actually sounded in life. It will 309 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: sound like them, but not one hundred percent. It's hard 310 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: to work for the spirit person, I'm convinced, because they 311 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: cannot hear their own voice. They have to work from 312 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: memory to try to recreate how their voice sounded when 313 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: they lived. In a seance, if you're lucky, you may 314 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: just hear from your loved one. You may hear their 315 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: voice through the voice box. They may touch you, or 316 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: if you're lucky, they may fully or partially materialize. They 317 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: may be able to hold your hand, or you can 318 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: touch their face. I've witnessed all kinds of different scenarios. 319 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: But why is it done in the dark. I think 320 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: because ectoplasm comes from so deep inside the body. It's 321 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: never been exposed to any degree of light. It is 322 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: said it is extremely light sensitive. I've been lucky enough 323 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: to see the ectoplasm a number of times in red 324 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: light controlled red light. But it's literally the spirit world 325 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: that will say, Darren, listen to our instructions very carefully. 326 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: When we say turn the red light on for ten 327 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 2: seconds and turn it off. You will have to follow 328 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: the instructions very carefully. I know people sitting in the 329 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: circle get annoyed because they've never sat in a physical 330 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: medium demonstration, but we have to follow what the spirit 331 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: world says. In public demonstrations, when someone from the spirit 332 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 2: world materialize, I may ask the question, what part of 333 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: you is materialized? That may sound awful, but sometimes if 334 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: there's a little child materialized, it might just be one hand, 335 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: one leg, or half of the face. To us, that's 336 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: fine because we can't see it. But imagine if the 337 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: light was turned on and if you've lost a child 338 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: and your child materialized in that way, it would be 339 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: horrific to see. But to them, they are just using 340 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 2: their etheric body to step into the ectoplasm. Another reason 341 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: I believe the seances are done in the dark. It's 342 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 2: like in the home circle. It's needed to give extra power. 343 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: With a physical medium. You need people from this world 344 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: to provide the power so that those in the spirit 345 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: world can do what they need to do. During the circles, 346 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: we sing and we laugh. They draw from our power 347 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: and sometimes they can take different members of the circle out. 348 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: And when I say out, you may be sitting there 349 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: and singing your heart out, and then you begin to 350 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: feel drowsy or drift off, and you have no control 351 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: over it, but you just go with it because that's 352 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 2: what the spirit world is doing. They're taking an element 353 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: of your power, your energy, to help with some kind 354 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: of development. Now this is Sandra speaking again. After I 355 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: had been to many of Scott's seances, I offered to 356 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: the spirit world use me in any way you need me. 357 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: If you need me as a battery, I'm here for it. 358 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: And what Darren says is true. It doesn't happen with 359 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 2: the newcomers. Don't worry about that. But with me, I 360 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: had the experience of being wide awake and singing and 361 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: then yawning more than any human being has ever yawned 362 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: at one time. And the next thing you know, they 363 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: may say, Sandra, turn on the light, and it's clear 364 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: that I missed lot that was going on. But I 365 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: don't mind, Darren continues. Singing is wonderful. We may not 366 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: sound good, but we sing our hearts out. We have 367 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: a good time while we're doing it, and we laugh 368 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: and laugh is number one for providing power. But obviously 369 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: it's hard to sit and laugh for two two and 370 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: a half hours. So we continue to sing songs, songs 371 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: that everybody knows by heart, fast songs, holiday songs. You 372 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to know all the words. You just 373 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: need to try and have fun. Here's something interesting the 374 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: spirit world did. It was a bigger room. The spirit 375 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 2: world pulled Scott out of the cabinet, still in his chair. 376 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: They asked me to come over to see what I 377 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: could feel. What I felt was Scott's chair with him 378 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 2: in it, being upside down and balancing on one corner. 379 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: I could feel him. He was still completely tied to 380 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: the chair. And then in the room there was a 381 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: big circular table. It probably could have seated twenty people, 382 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 2: and it was pushed to a corner of the room. 383 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 2: The table was touching two of the corner walls, so 384 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: if you wanted to get into that corner of the room, 385 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: the only way you could do it is by pulling 386 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: that large table away from the wall. But when the 387 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: light came on, Scott was now seated in the corner 388 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 2: behind the table. We'll be right back. You're listening to 389 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 390 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of 391 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and I am reading from 392 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: a conversation I had with Darren Wynn, who is the 393 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: circle leader for Physical Medium Scott Milligan. If you've ever 394 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: come to one of our free Sunday gatherings at two 395 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: o'clock New York time, you may have met Darren. Darren 396 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: is on most of them, other than the times he 397 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 2: has to work or he has to travel. So I'd 398 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: like to continue with some of his stories from this 399 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: seance room. As he just said how important laughter and 400 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: singing is to build energy. He continues with As we 401 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: progressed through the years, the phenomena came in very strong. 402 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: We saw a lot of trumpet phenomena. We even saw 403 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 2: different hands form on the glow in the dark plaque. 404 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: But ultimately the reason behind everything we do is to 405 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: try to create the voice box, and the voice box 406 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: takes a lot more power and practice than the phenomena does. 407 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: Like I explained earlier, a loved one can speak through 408 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: the ectoplasmic voice box and that is independent from the medium. 409 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: You can hear it up in the air, you can 410 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: hear it down on the floor or you could hear 411 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: it either side of the room. From the spirit person's perspective, 412 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: they are able to express themselves directly to the recipient 413 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: and speak in a perfect world. The communicators from the 414 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: unseen world can form themselves and cloak themselves in the ectoplasm. 415 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: They could walk around the room and speak directly to you, 416 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: giving you communication. That has only happened on a few 417 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: occasions that I have seen. I know the last time 418 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: we were in New Orleans, I was really surprised. In 419 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: one of the seances one of our little friends from 420 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: the spirit world, Norman, who used to suffer from down 421 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: syndrome when he lived, He comes through every now and again, 422 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: and he likes to win your hearts. And anyone who 423 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: departs this earth, if they have any kind of infirmity, 424 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: they lose it when they get to the other world. 425 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: They don't carry those elements with them, but when they 426 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 2: come close to the earth they can feel like that again. 427 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: But with Norman, bless him, he plays on it because 428 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: he likes to be the center of attention. He wants 429 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: everyone to fall in love with him. So he comes 430 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: back with down syndrome, and in the seance in New Orleans, 431 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: Norman actually materialized. He was walking around the room talking 432 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: to people in the circle. He was placing his hands 433 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: on people, and then he did something he's never done before. 434 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: He started giving out communication. He said, I have a 435 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: little girl here. I don't remember her name, but Norman 436 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: knew it. He gave so much information about this girl 437 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: and I thought he's never done that before. And then 438 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to do something. There was one 439 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: woman in the room who understood all of the information, 440 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: and it was her daughter. He stood right in front 441 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: of her and he said, I'm going to do something 442 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: for you now, and he materialized her daughter from him. So, 443 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: if you can visualize, little Norman materialized from an ectoplasmic 444 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: rod coming from Scott and now another materialized form comes 445 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: from Norman. So Norman walked over to the left side 446 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: of the room and was talking to people, and this 447 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: little girl went running over and stood right in front 448 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: and talked to her mom. Everyone felt the love. I 449 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: was gobsmacked. After all these years of sitting, I've never 450 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: seen I've seen that one before. Two people materialized, but 451 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: one of them solely for the mother and talking to 452 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: her mother and touching her mother. It was such a 453 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: beautiful thing to take part of. A lot of people 454 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: come to the seances and they say, I want to 455 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: see this, I want to see that, I want to 456 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: see the trumpet lift, I want to see lights. But 457 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people forget about the communication element of it. 458 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: I've been in hundreds of seances. Now, when you hear 459 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: a loved one communicating through the voice box, it is 460 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: so special and so rare. I can't even begin to 461 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: explain how that feels. I always say to people, go 462 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: into the seance room with an open mind and an 463 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: open heart, and please be open to anything. Don't go 464 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: in with preconceived ideas, or don't go in with wants 465 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 2: and desires. Another time, we were scheduled to do a 466 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: seance in wheelchair in the north part of the UK, 467 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: but we forgot it was a bank holiday. We were 468 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: driving up there and it should have taken four and 469 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: a half hours, but it took ten and a half 470 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: hours for us to get there. Normally, when we arrived 471 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: for a seance, I spend time with the people doing 472 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: a pre talk. At this time I couldn't. I made 473 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: it very short. Scott sat in the chair. We played 474 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: three tracks of music, allowing Scott's mind to settle a 475 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: little before we began singing. Within ten seconds of the 476 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: music going on, the voice box had formed. There was 477 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: a girl who was seated two seats from me, and 478 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: I heard, as clear as I have ever heard it, 479 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: a voice. It was her dad who came through and 480 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: spoke to her. Of course, we didn't know who it was. 481 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: We had never been there before. We found out her 482 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: father passed three days before and they hadn't even buried him. 483 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: And he came and he spoke to her, gave her evidence, 484 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: communicated it was beautiful. Another time, a guy was seated 485 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: two seats away from the cabinet. If you looked at 486 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: this guy, he was big and muscular and covered in tattoos. 487 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: He's not the sort of person you would have thought 488 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: would be spiritual in coming to a seance. I was 489 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: a bit concerned about him. I knew I shouldn't have 490 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: a preconceived notion by his looks, but he looked rather 491 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 2: rough and tough. But we are all human, And in 492 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: this seance, this gentleman's wife came through and she was 493 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: talking directly to him. This man started to cry. It 494 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: wasn't til afterwards we realized his wife had only passed 495 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: a few months before. I believe they had three children 496 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: and one was a six month old baby. And to 497 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: see how this reunion changed his life, that's why we 498 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: do this. I met Scott and Darren back in twenty 499 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: and sixteen when I took that trip over to England, 500 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: and of course I went back several times. It was 501 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eighteen I think that I invited 502 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: Scott to come to America and he spoke at a 503 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: conference about the afterlife. He also did some of the seances. 504 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: In two thousand and nineteen, I held three We Don't 505 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: Die events, two in Orlando and one in Boston. We 506 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: are very excited for these groups of people to experience 507 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 2: these seances, as well as here from mister Eric and 508 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: Daniel and morning Star who were through Scott's trance mediumship. 509 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: And then we all know what happened. March twenty twenty 510 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 2: came and the world sat still for many years. Although 511 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't have any big plans of traveling right now 512 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: and I spend my time here with Mom. I am 513 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: happy to report that our tutor team, Carrie and Phil 514 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: are teaching mediumship around the world and Scott and Darren 515 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: have just begun to create retreats that you can sit 516 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: with them, learn about this special kind of mediumship and others, 517 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: and attend one of these seances. And of course, even 518 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: if you cannot travel, you can always keep listening to 519 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: shades of the afterlife, and I'll bring you as much 520 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: comforting words about the afterlife and words of wisdom about 521 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: living a powerful life as I can. This form of 522 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: mediumship physical mediumship is extremely rare. There may still be hundreds, 523 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 2: if not thousands, of what's called home circles like Darren 524 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: was talking about with John Austen, small groups of people 525 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 2: coming together, singing, inviting a space for the spirit world 526 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 2: to come forward. This form of mediumship was the form 527 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: of mediumship back eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds when World 528 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: War One hit, there was so much death and people 529 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: were desperate to know that their loved ones live on. Unfortunately, 530 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: a whole bunch of con artists came out of the 531 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: woodwork to con people out of their money and fictitiously 532 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: create these seances saying that their loved ones had lived on. 533 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 3: You know the. 534 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: Expression don't throw the baby out with the bathroom, Well 535 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 2: that's what happened with physical mediumship. It was thought of 536 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 2: as fraudulent, and of course it takes place in the dark, 537 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 2: so people chalked it up too it's not real. Thankfully, 538 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 2: the spirit world stepped forward and the birth of evidential 539 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 2: mediumship started. When you go pay a medium and they 540 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 2: tell you about your deceased loved one. Scott Milligan, Darren 541 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: and I have been on a quest to teach people 542 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 2: how to sit for yourself and invite in the love 543 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: of your spirit team. How do you meet with other 544 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: people to create the space for the spirit world to 545 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: work through you. Are there still con artists in the 546 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: world practicing physical mediumship? Yeah, unfortunately they are. I wish 547 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: I could give you some names to recommend. Right now, 548 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 2: it's just Scott Milligan and his sittings are few and 549 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: far between, but there are some coming up in twenty 550 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: twenty four and more in the future. I'm sure. Beware 551 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: of the people that produce gemstones, charge a lot of 552 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: money and do things that insult your intelligence. They're out there. 553 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: You want to hear stories from people of loved ones 554 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 2: coming through. They shouldn't cost you a lot of money, 555 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: and you should always feel that presence of the Spirit world. 556 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: If you go back on some of my earlier episodes, 557 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: you'll hear the voice of Sir Arthur Conan, Doyle, dan Ackroyd, 558 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 2: Scott Milligan telling his experience, Physicist Jan Vandersandy sharing how 559 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 2: he got into mediumship and more So, it is time 560 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: for our break, and when we come back, I'm going 561 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 2: to play a little bit from inside the seance room 562 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 2: for you. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 563 00:37:53,800 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 564 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. 565 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: What I'd like to do now is play for you 566 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 2: a part of a seance with Darren, with myself with 567 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 2: Scott Milligan. I'd like to dedicate this episode to Mary 568 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 2: Beth Levecchio. Mary Beth was minister of a church in Phoenix, Arizona. 569 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 2: It was her that organized the seances in her church. 570 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: Mary Beth has passed to the spirit world this year. 571 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: She had come to our Live We Don't Die events. 572 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: She volunteered. She gave herself freely to all of humanity 573 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: and I know for sure she is still working from 574 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 2: the other side of life. There were about forty people 575 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: that attended this scance. We had a pre talk before 576 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: people entered the room what to expect, what to do, 577 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 2: what not to do. Everyone took their shoes off, they 578 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 2: took their jewelry off, and why we do that is 579 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: sometimes there's an apport that shows up in the room 580 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: from the other side, and it's to be sure that 581 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 2: no one brought anything in with them. Scott is seated 582 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 2: in a chair tied down. Everyone can search him make 583 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: sure there's nothing on his person that he cannot manipulate 584 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 2: anything and make these sounds himself, and he's strapped in tight. 585 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 2: Everyone in the circle is instructed to hold hands. If 586 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 2: anyone breaks the circle, we have to notify the circle leader, 587 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: which is Darren, so we all know that no one 588 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 2: is getting up and creating this phenomena. In the center 589 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,959 Speaker 2: of this room, there were some hula hoops, musical instruments, 590 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 2: and lots of toys. After the lights went out, three 591 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: pieces of Scott's favorite music were played just to relax 592 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: his mind. You'll hear Darren's voice in the beginning. Then 593 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 2: I edited out probably three songs, and then you'll hear 594 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 2: Doe a Deer and you'll hear a spirit child playing 595 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 2: the piano, toy piano, and then some drums come in 596 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 2: and we'll see how much we have time for in 597 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 2: this segment. This is edited from a two hour seance Enjoy. 598 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 4: Yes when I. 599 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 5: Yes, okay, everybody, oh yeah, and. 600 00:40:52,760 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 4: We'll start singing all the holls out hair tre gray, 601 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 4: drop a boa. 602 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 5: I call myself brow so holy, you'll hold your bry. 603 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 4: I know to foma's see. 604 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: You drink the jagging bread that would bring. 605 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 5: A back to tell. 606 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 4: Smale deer. 607 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 5: At the son o myself, So I needle pulling dread. 608 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 4: I know to follow, so tea drink the jagging bread that. 609 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 5: Would bring a back to do. 610 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 2: To email and mank you right as. 611 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 5: Me ma, I oh myself, so I need no clothing. 612 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 5: I know it by start to stay clothing. 613 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 4: Don't have that. 614 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 5: Beautiful very nice. That's the horn. 615 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of fun toys down there, A 616 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 2: lot of fun toys. Yeah you say, baragod. A lot 617 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 2: of explore down there, beautiful. So there's lots of laughter. 618 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,399 Speaker 2: There's lots of children playing in the center that we 619 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 2: can't see. We had tons of toys down there, a 620 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 2: lot of them with glow in the dark. Hula hoops 621 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 2: are floating around. We heard the drum bang and the piano. 622 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 2: Eventually we heard a horn and a harmonica. Stuffed animals 623 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 2: are being put on people's laps. There's a glow in 624 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 2: the dark plaque. A little spirit girl was showing her 625 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 2: hands to us. Keep in mind we all were holding 626 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 2: hands the whole time. The spirit kids played for a while, 627 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 2: we started singing again to build the energy. And next 628 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 2: you're gonna hear the voice of Daniel, who speaks through Scott. 629 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:31,360 Speaker 4: Can I keep you so much better? 630 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? 631 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 4: Can I keep you? Yes? 632 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 2: Of course, from this point Daniel goes on to address 633 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 2: the group. Daniel's very fun. He comes through with a 634 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 2: childlike manner to get people laughing, to build the energy, 635 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 2: teaching us not to be afraid, and then he works 636 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 2: as a medium. He'll say, I have a boy here 637 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 2: who says his mom is here and gives some d details. 638 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna fast forward through all of that, but 639 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: you'll be able to hear a whisper of a young 640 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: man speaking through this ectoplasmic voice box. 641 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 5: Can you still? 642 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 2: Can you yes? 643 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 3: And I'll say you've been around my family in the South. 644 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: Someone's help good me to talk to you. 645 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 4: Someone's helping me because I'm not as square as I 646 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 4: and everybody. That's okay. 647 00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 5: Yes, she's helping me. 648 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 4: Oh she's up. Thank you for helping. 649 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 5: Yes, I can hear. 650 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 6: Is it something to do with dog tax Yes. He 651 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 6: keeps referring to the chain with dog tags. His whole 652 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 6: family's military. I was military. 653 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,399 Speaker 4: Do you know he looks he's looking at the har 654 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 4: monica and he's going to do that. Miss Smith's fellow 655 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 4: doesn't turn his back to anyone. He doesn't turn his 656 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 4: back to anyone because he said it could. I'll do 657 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 4: anything because life's worth living and doing everything you could 658 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 4: possibly can do. You know he would have thrown himself 659 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 4: out of plane. You know, he's that kind of character. 660 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 3: His grandfather played the harmonica, and he's with his grandpa. 661 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 4: I would have liked to told you that though. 662 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 2: Of course, as you can see, there's a lot of 663 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 2: humor involved. The next hour was Daniel bringing through loved 664 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 2: ones for mainly parents. Nobody knew it at the time, 665 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 2: but there was a big group from the organization helping 666 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 2: parents heal there so parents got to be reunited with 667 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 2: their children. I don't feel it's appropriate because some of 668 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 2: the conversations were private, so just trust me they were 669 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,760 Speaker 2: beautiful and maybe you can join us at a future 670 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 2: time at one of these seances. So I'll play a 671 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 2: little bit more. Again. This is all edited from I 672 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 2: think two and a half hours we were sitting there 673 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 2: in the dark. 674 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 4: It is time for us to leave you in the silence, 675 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 4: so that you can then reflect on how you are 676 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,240 Speaker 4: the angels that have held the doors of heaven open. 677 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 4: May you understand it is not I or He who 678 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 4: brings the children that have spoken this night. It is you, 679 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 4: those who have come to speak to their parents. May 680 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 4: you realize that it was possible through your love. No 681 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 4: one truly dies. Death comes to release you from the husk. 682 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 4: As I said to you all on another occasion, you 683 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 4: are born to pay taxes to die. What you do 684 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 4: with your life is yours. But may you need this 685 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 4: place for smiles and happiness, to know that the dead 686 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 4: do not sleep. So do not stand at my grave. 687 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 4: And because I'm not there, if you are in distress, 688 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 4: look to the stars and see how they shine. You 689 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 4: may not be able to touch the stars that the 690 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 4: light can touch you. So miss us not for I've 691 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 4: not gone. I live within your hearts. I will speak 692 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 4: again in the opportunity to answer questions on another occasion. 693 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 4: I thank you all on behalf of the Austin Wish 694 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,799 Speaker 4: Circle who have sat to allow us to speak. So 695 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:51,839 Speaker 4: I thank you humbly and heartily, Potatoes and poodles. 696 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 2: I miss being in those seance rooms that I know 697 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 2: I will be again. If you want to join us sometime, 698 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 2: go to We Don't Die dot com click on the 699 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 2: Scott Milligan page. He's got a great glass on home 700 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,439 Speaker 2: circles as well, and of course you can always join 701 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,400 Speaker 2: us at our free Sunday gathering. I'm Sandra Champlain and 702 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart, thank you for listening 703 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 2: to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast 704 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:29,320 Speaker 2: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Toodles and Foodles. 705 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 706 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check out 707 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 708 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.