1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: A missing nuclear lab worker connected to the string of 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists found dead in a chilling and 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: eerie forest discovery amidst claims of suicide. There's no bullet. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Was she murdered somewhere else? Her body disposed in a 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: remote and disley wooded location. No bullet, no suicide. Good evening, 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: I'mancy Grace. This is crime Stories. I want to thank 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Neil McCaslin. 8 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: He was a linchpinn to a lot of the military's 9 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 2: black projects. 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: Basically, they're working on technologies that in theory, we won't 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: see you for another fifty years. 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Space scientists dead and missing as the death toll actually rises. 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 4: And so you're actually moving space and time around the craft. 14 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 5: Her remains had not seen any kind of scavengering. 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Joining US tonight an all star panel. But first I'm 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: going to go to John Nance, former supervisory special Agent 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: with the FBI assigned to the Miami and DC Field 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: offs is over twenty years. Mister Nance, thank you for 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: being with us tonight. And I know you're not a 20 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: medical examiner, but I'm very fatigued with claims that all 21 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: of these top security clearance scientists and lab workers all 22 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: just walk out of their home with no ID, no 23 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: cell phone. Melissa Casius's cell phone had been factory wiped 24 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: when her daughter found her cell phone. That they all 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: just walk out and suddenly have an urge to commit suicide. 26 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Melissa Cassias gun found near her body. She was completely 27 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: skeletonized by the time her body has been found. Family 28 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: says she was not acting unusually in any way. The 29 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: family says, that's not her gun, that's not our gun. 30 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: Where did that gun come from? And most disturbing, mister nance, 31 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: there's no bullet at that scene anyway. It really doesn't 32 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: take a rocket scientist pardon my pun, to figure out 33 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: something is way off with this story. 34 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, none of this makes any sense, the theories surrounding 35 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 4: while these people are committing suicide, It just doesn't. It 36 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: just doesn't hold investigative water. There are a lot of 37 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 4: unanswered questions, especially in Cassius's case. In fact, her husband 38 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: said that part of her story was that she was 39 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: going to return home to get her ideadge, when in 40 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 4: fact he saw her with the ID badge in the vehicle, 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 4: So that makes no sense. And of course, as you've 42 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: already mentioned, the the cell phones, the smartphones being reset 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: to factory settings. All these things indicate that she she 44 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: didn't necessarily intend to take her life, but that she 45 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: could have been in fear for her safety in some 46 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: form or fashion and maybe was attempting to escape. I mean, 47 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 4: that's that's a possibility. 48 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Well, you know that juxtaposed against McCaslin, who leaves his 49 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: home with no ID, without his cell phone, without his 50 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: smart watch, nothing that would track or identify him, and 51 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: just disappears. They're just disappearing. And now tonight's question, does 52 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: the missing lab workers skull reveal a new clue about 53 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: her death? This as very disturbing. Theories have been raised. 54 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: John Nance joining us as you just heard, supervisory special 55 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: agent another issue. Let me go straight out to Jeff Gentry, 56 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: forensic certified bloodstained pattern Analysis, Senior crime Analyst, death investigator, 57 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: author of forensic science applications to death and crime scene investigations. 58 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: And you can find Jeff Gentry at evidenceover Assumption dot 59 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: com and Jeff Gentry. It's very important that I stress 60 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: the name of your website because assumptions don't carry water 61 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: in court, and you know what else doesn't carry water 62 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: in court? An unknown, unidentified handgun by the victim's body 63 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: in a remote area where family thinks she's never been before, 64 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: and no bullet. If she committed suicide, we would find 65 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: the bullet either in the skull or nearby. So what 66 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: she killed elsewhere and brought to this location? What drove 67 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: her away from her daughter that afternoon? And while Gentry 68 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: is speaking Control room, There she is with the husband, Gentry, 69 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: while you're speaking, I want to see the last known 70 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: image of Melissa Cassillas. There she is, Hey, where are 71 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: all those things? She's got a backpack with her? Where 72 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: is all that? Because we haven't heard word one about 73 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: any of that being found by or around her body? 74 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: And also interesting, Jeff Gentry, no animal activity. She's been 75 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: missing a long time, and her body, her skeleton is 76 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: sitting up, undisturbed, pristine, leaning against a tree. That defies 77 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: everything I know about a crime scene where a body 78 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: is found skeletonized, it would have fallen apart by now. 79 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 6: Right, Nancy, there are a lot of unanswered questions in 80 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 6: this case. It's very puzzling, and as a scientist myself, 81 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 6: I have a lot of questions. It's very scary and 82 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 6: concerning to think that somebody could just go missing. And 83 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 6: when you're doing a suicide investigation, which I've done hundreds 84 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 6: of them, and I actually have a book on suicide investigation, 85 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 6: you are looking for intent. And if there's no intent 86 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 6: that that person intended to harm themselves, then you can't 87 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 6: call the case of suicide. You are looking for, you know, lifestyle, 88 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 6: changes in behavior, trouble at work. 89 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: All these factors are. 90 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 6: Taken into consideration when you're calling something a suicide. And 91 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 6: if you don't have that, you have to look a 92 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 6: lot deeper. And when you start digging deeper into this case, 93 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 6: it becomes more and more concerning. There's so many elements 94 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 6: that are puzzling in this case. You mentioned so many 95 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: different things, and I want to tackle. 96 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 5: All of those. So the first is just the way 97 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 5: she was. 98 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 6: Found very abnormal in a location that it's abnormal for her. 99 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 5: Why would you just walk off. 100 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 6: Into nowhere essentially, and why would you harm yourself? What 101 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 6: would be the motive there? That's what you're trying to 102 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 6: figure out in these cases. And then when you are 103 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 6: investigating these cases, you're looking for evidence. How long has 104 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 6: that person been there, what was their body position? You 105 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 6: mentioned animal activity or insect activity, and that's generally going 106 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 6: to be the case in depths, outdoors, insects, animals, they're 107 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 6: going to have free access to the body, and if 108 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 6: you don't see that, then you start have to answer 109 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 6: the question why is that not there when you would 110 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 6: typically expect to see this, So then the question of 111 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 6: you know, was this person possibly harmed somewhere else and 112 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 6: then moved or repositioned. Those are all very relevant questions, 113 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 6: but when you have just skeletal remains, it becomes very 114 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 6: difficult to answer those questions because on a normal fresh body, 115 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 6: you can see evidence of drag marks or injuries, abrasions, 116 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 6: different things that you're looking for on a body to 117 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 6: suggest that they were moved or harmed and then placed 118 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 6: in that position. Put on a skeletal remains case, you 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 6: don't have all of that, and it would be my 120 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 6: guess that if somebody were involved in this case, they 121 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 6: would know that. They would know that once you reposition 122 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 6: a body, or once you let a body decompose to 123 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 6: skeletal remains, then all of that evidence is essentially gone. 124 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 6: And if you don't have the evidence, then you're just 125 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 6: left making assumptions about a case. 126 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: But Jeff gentry. Speaking of the bones, I want to 127 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: talk to you about her skull. If she were shot 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: in the head, as we have been led to believe, again, 129 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: there is no official cod We don't have a cood. 130 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: What's the problem? A cat scan? A simple cat scan 131 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: would reveal the truth the angle of a trajectory path. 132 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: In other words, if she was shot from the back 133 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: to the front, then we know that's not a suicide. 134 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: If she was shot at an up tose angle, such 135 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: as from the top right of the head down, we 136 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: know that's not a suicide. There are many ways we 137 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: can determine from a trajectory path whether a gunshot wound 138 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: is in fact a suicide or a stab wound in 139 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the case of for instance, Ellen Greenberg, ten steps to 140 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: the back not a suicide. In this case, a simple 141 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: cat scan would tell me the answer. But guess what, 142 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: we don't have it. So I want to talk to 143 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: you about what a trajectory path of a bullet would 144 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: mean to the skull and what we were just talking about. Oh, 145 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: your book, your amazing book, Suicide death investigation, A scenario 146 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: based approach. Wow. Suicide death investigation for death and crime investigators. 147 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: Very impressive. Gentry, we were talking about the scattering of 148 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: the bones. I'm using this as an example. It's a 149 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: disturbing example, but criminal law and murder cases are never pretty. 150 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: Let me see the bones of let me go with 151 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: Kelly Anthony, a two year old little girl. This is 152 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: what happens when a human body is skeletonized. If Melissa 153 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Cassius had been sitting up propped against a tree for 154 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: over a year before she's been found in the Elements, 155 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: her bones would not be sitting there like a fake 156 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: skeleton you get at Halloween spirit to decorate your front yard. No, 157 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: they would have been scattered. They would have fallen apart. 158 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: The muscle, the skin, the tissue would no longer be 159 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: holding the bones together in the human form that we 160 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: would recognize. They would be scattered. Do you agree or disagree, 161 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry, I do agree. 162 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 6: I have worked on many skeletal remains cases, bodies that 163 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 6: are found out in remote areas, the mountains, desert type areas, waterways, 164 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: and almost oh is after the point to where the 165 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 6: body can be disarticulated or taken apart, you're going to 166 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 6: see body parts in different locations. Because even small animals 167 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 6: like squirrels, rabbits, foxes, those are all going to start 168 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 6: chewing at the body, and once all of that muscle 169 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: and tissue has gone, those bones can be scattered in 170 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 6: different locations. You would expect them to be within close 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 6: proximity to where the majority of the body is, but 172 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 6: you would expect to see some form of scattering some 173 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 6: of the smaller bones, some of the smaller, smaller limbs 174 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 6: that can be dragged away by small animals. But then 175 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 6: you also have to consider larger animals can scatter too, 176 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 6: and so you would expect the remains to be a 177 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 6: farther distance out. But you would not generally expect to 178 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 6: find an entire intact skeleton in a case where a 179 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 6: body has been outdoors for a significant period of time. 180 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 6: And we're talking about eleven months. That's a long time 181 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 6: for animals to have access to a body to potentially 182 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 6: scatter remains. 183 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, you would not find Melissa's skeleton sitting 184 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: there like a Halloween prop. That's only in the movies. 185 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: That's not reality. Let me see Kelly again. Kelly's remains, 186 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: her bones were scattered everywhere. There are over two hundred 187 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: bones in the human body. If you notice her right 188 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: foot and her toes were never found. Her digits. Even 189 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: if there's not animal activity, which is unbelievable in a 190 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: remote and densely wooded area, the elements themselves, the rain, 191 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: the wind, the storm would have strown her bones to 192 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: the extent they would be not sitting up like a 193 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: prop for one thing, and another thing, what about the 194 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: gun gentry? Was it rusted out? What condition was it in? 195 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean this steam a disposal side, not a suicide side. 196 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: And it is a disposal side. That means this is 197 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: not a suicide. See where I'm going with this gentry. 198 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. 199 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 6: And then you also mentioned about the skull and evidence 200 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 6: of a projectile's trajectory. That's one of the key things 201 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 6: that we always look at in cases of skeletal remains, 202 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 6: because even though you have skeletal remains and the soft 203 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: tissues are gone, the muscles are gone, the organs are gone. 204 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: So in a typical case, you'd be able to see 205 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 6: gunshot wounds, you'd be able to see trajectory, but in 206 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 6: skeletal remains it's much more difficult. However, you can through 207 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 6: either a CT examination or using a forensic anthropologist you 208 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 6: can identify injuries on the bones that you normally can't 209 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 6: see in other type cases, and especially that skull is 210 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 6: going to be critical because that can in itself just 211 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 6: the trajectory of the bullet determine whether this is a 212 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 6: suicide versus a homicide. But in this case, we don't 213 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 6: even have a bullet hole, which is beyond puzzling, because 214 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 6: I need a huge percentage of suicides are a gunshot 215 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 6: wind of the head, if somebody's going to use a firearm, 216 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 6: And if you don't see that, then you have to 217 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 6: start thinking along another path. 218 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: Why is this not. 219 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 6: Your typical that you would see in a death investigation? 220 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 6: And then when you start adding all of these different 221 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 6: elements that are a typical in your investigation, you really 222 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 6: have to start thinking, is this really a suicide or 223 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 6: are we looking at something else, maybe like a homicide 224 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 6: or something that is completely unexplained. Why is this person 225 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 6: out in a remote area, Why do they not have 226 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 6: your typical injuries that you would see in a suicide investigation. 227 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry, I really respect you. I do, and I 228 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: have absorbed and agreed with everything you've just said. Everything 229 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: you've said except that last part. Maybe a homicide. What 230 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: if it's not a suicide, but she just hike to 231 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: the top of a mountain and had a heart attack, 232 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: she sat down down next to a treat and will 233 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: yourself to die. There's two choices. There's not an accident, apparently, 234 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: not a suicide, not natural causes. There's only one possibility. 235 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: It's homicide. And this is a disposal side. You were 236 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: mentioning skeletonized bodies. When you are murdered, unless it's a 237 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: soft tissue injury, such as a manual or ligature strangulation, 238 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna find a bullet. You'll find a bullet either 239 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: in the body, in a skull or nearby. Here do 240 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: we know the gun was fired? What condition is the 241 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: gun in? Is the body sitting intact like a halloween 242 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: prop as we have been told? And more importantly, does 243 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: a cat skin a ct reveal the trajectory path? And 244 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: does the skeleton itself show a gun shot in entry 245 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: entry and or exit or a nick from a knife 246 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: of some sort. We've seen that in other cases where 247 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: the body has been skeletonized. These are serious questions. And 248 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: why don't we have a c O D cause of death? 249 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: You know to you Lauren Colin joining us, very well 250 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: known now investigative reporter. She is the co star of 251 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: Pop Crime TV, and I would like to point out 252 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: she was the one, the only one with the backbone 253 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: in DC a couple of days ago to ask about 254 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: the missing scientists, because now suddenly all we're hearing about 255 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: is the UFO dot drop. She asked about the missing scientists. 256 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: Guess what nobody answered. They acted like they didn't hear her. 257 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: They heard you, Lauren. But before I get to all that, 258 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin, what more can you tell us about the 259 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: discovery of Casius's body? What do you know? 260 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 7: Well, I've been in touch with the new Mexico State 261 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 7: Police and they have been very responsive to me. It 262 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 7: is the PIO, the Press Information officer, and she has 263 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 7: indicated she is going back and forth with investigators to 264 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 7: see if they can disclose what they have because I 265 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 7: submitted a Foyer request for the autopsy report and I 266 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 7: was denied actually two days ago, and not because you 267 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 7: know they couldn't give it to me or wouldn't give 268 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 7: it to me, It's because they don't have it completed yet, Nancy, 269 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 7: So I, like you, I am waiting for the facts 270 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 7: all we know officially right now is that there was 271 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 7: not an initial projectile in this skull, as you mentioned. 272 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 7: And this photo of Melissa and her daughter, it breaks 273 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 7: my heart, Nancy, all of everything you've said, the fact 274 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 7: that Melissa took medication with her, her toothbrush with her, 275 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 7: that really tells me that she wasn't planning on taking 276 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 7: her own life. So I just want answers. I feel 277 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 7: for her family. 278 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: Right her reading glasses and a supply of thyroid medication. Also, 279 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: we do know New Mexico police let it slip that 280 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: there was a fracture to the skull. Okay, another nuclear 281 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: lab worker who worked with mccaslan, let's see him please. Somehow, 282 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm convinced that McCaslin is in the center of all this. 283 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: He just walked out of his home, never to be 284 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: seen again. Even a sweatshirt that we think he may 285 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: have been wearing that had a US Army on it, 286 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: the military on it was found discarded by the side 287 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: of the road. He just walked away, never seen again. 288 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: He was connected to Cassius, is connected to many of 289 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: the other scientists, but no one is following up joining 290 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: me now. In addition to Lauren Jeff Gentry, john Nance, 291 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: Frank Milburn is with US and Glenn Anne Johnson. Glenn 292 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: Ann is a former weapons engineer. Let that sink in 293 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: just for a moment. At the US Department of Defense. 294 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: She worked in Huntsville. Why do we keep hearing Huntsville? 295 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: That is where a NASA installation exists, and there is 296 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: also a very you know to US lay people mysterious 297 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: lab there as well. She worked at Kirkland Air Force 298 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: Base in New Mexico, where Michason worked. She worked at 299 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: the Naval Service War Center. She has worked on multiple 300 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: high tech military weapons, including dee W lasers nukes for 301 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: the Navy and Air Force. Glenn Ann, are you tired 302 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: of hearing about highly, highly influential US scientists and lab 303 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: workers just walking away and committing suicide like it is? 304 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: Said Amy Eskridge did after she told Milburn, if I 305 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: end up dead, I did not commit suicide. Know that now, Casias. 306 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: So I don't believe any of them committed suicide. And 307 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: I think we're actually I think the reason that the 308 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: reporter got crickets in DC is because there's a full 309 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: investigation ongoing where I think we're kind of at an 310 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: old fashioned Moscow rules, and in the old days it 311 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: was an unwritten rule that if you kill one of 312 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: our people, we kill one of yours, you know, United 313 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: States in Russia. I think this is ongoing with scientists 314 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: right now. I think they're being maybe kidnapped and then 315 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 2: interrogated and then murdered. And I think they're making some 316 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: of them look like suicide so that it's more deniable 317 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: and it won't have a full investigation. But there's so 318 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: many of them at this point that it's occurred to 319 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 2: that it doesn't make any sense. In Amy's case and 320 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: in my case personally, she was being hit with directed 321 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: energy weapons and I have been as well. I escalated 322 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: my case up to the Department of well the Office 323 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: of Director of National Intelligence, and the Federal Communications Commission 324 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: because I'm also a non ionizing radiation safety officer in 325 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: addition to being an engineer. But I found through discovery 326 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: that I had radiation cataracts that are the hallmark of 327 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: these weapons use. And I used to be the that 328 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: and GMD engineer at Huntsville, Alabama, and I think I 329 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: started getting targeted there for my defense work. I think 330 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: Neil McCaslin was targeted and had a background and directed 331 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: energy weapons. His wife said he had brain fog before 332 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: he left. I think he knew he was being attacked, 333 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: and unfortunately with some of these different countries and bricks nations, 334 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: they attack our family as well. For my particular case, 335 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: my son has had to move in with a different 336 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: person because he was having nose bleeds, headaches, all these 337 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 2: different effects from being attacked by these same weapons. So 338 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: I think he probably wanted to preserve his wife and 339 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: try to reverse engineer what happened to him. 340 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: In addition to Glennane Johnson, who had top security and 341 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: worked in Huntsville, Frank Meilburn is joining US. Frank former 342 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: British intelligence officer Amy Escridge very well. He spoke to 343 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: Amy just hours before her death, where she reiterated the 344 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: attacks on her suspicions about what was going on. She 345 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: actually considered other countries or corporate espionage. She was heavily 346 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: involved in research regarding anti gravity technology as well as 347 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: directed energy weapons. Dew Frank Milburn, another nuclear lab worker, 348 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 1: commits suicide. There's no bullet in the skull. There's a 349 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: fractured skull. Her phones, two of them work and private 350 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: wiped clean she went to go visit her daughter. Let's 351 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: see the shot of Melissa Causius with her daughter. She 352 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: went to see her daughter that afternoon, brought her daughter 353 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: a subway sandwich, left as if nothing was wrong. There's 354 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: no way she would have left that daughter behind, because 355 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Frank, as they progress into 356 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: their teens, get ready to go to college, they need 357 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: you more than they did when they were a little 358 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: bitty baby using a bottle. She would never have left 359 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: that daughter. So I reject the theory of suicide, just 360 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: like I rejected with Amy Escridge, who swore vehemently to 361 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: you she would never commit suicide. There's no bullet in 362 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: the skull, there's no bullet in the body, there's no 363 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: bullet on the scene, So where's the bullet? Why is 364 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: her body propped up like a prop and a Hollywood movie? 365 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: That defies what I know about skeletonization of bodies a 366 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: year later in a remote, densely wooded area. That would 367 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: not happen, yet we're supposed to believe it. Frank. 368 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that particularly bizarre as well, because and 369 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: of life, certainly, you know, didn't point to her wanting 370 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: to end her own life. And if the body was 371 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: staged that way, then why so sloppy? Because the whole 372 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: point of if it were a staged suicide, then why 373 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: be so sloppy about it? Because you go to the 374 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: whole point of having a stage suicide is that you 375 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: don't have to get rid of the body and it 376 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: doesn't look like a homicide. So if you have a 377 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: missing body, or you have a body that's obviously you know, 378 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: a subject of murder, and that defeats the whole purpose. 379 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: So if you're going to go to the whole trouble 380 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: of staging a suicide, why would it be so sloppy? 381 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 3: That's the question that I have to ask with regards 382 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: to Amy Eskridge. The whole yes, I have, you know, 383 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 3: major questions about her suicide and the circumstances surrounding it. 384 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: I find it very questionable. But also what I find 385 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: even more questionable as well is the extent to which 386 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: certain people on social media who she accused of corporate 387 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 3: espionage and there are three different people a que using 388 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: these individuals of corporate espionage as well. To aside from 389 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: Amy Escridge, why the efforts to still paint her as 390 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: crazy off her medication not a credible scientist when she 391 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: had made these allegations, Because I find in my experience 392 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 3: when people are trying to do smear campaigns and engage 393 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: in defamation against people, whether they're dead or alive, those 394 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 3: are the people who are maybe themselves. 395 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 8: Guilty and who have something to hide. 396 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: Otherwise, why engage a smear campaign of somebody who's been 397 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 3: dead for such a relatively long. 398 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 9: Period, Amy Eskridge, her case is somewhat of an outlier, 399 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 9: but it's worth investigating. I mean, we had Michael Schellenberger 400 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 9: come to our hearing back in twenty twenty four, and 401 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 9: in his testimony he provided information from a researcher, Frank Milburn, 402 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 9: who was a retired UK intelligence official who Amy had 403 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 9: reached out to and asked to investigate some of the harassment, 404 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 9: some of the weird things that were happening with her, 405 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 9: and he determined that she was the victim of a 406 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 9: directed energy weapon and that she was likely murdered by 407 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 9: US aerospace company. 408 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: That is representative Eric Barlson from our friends at Fox News. 409 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: What is a directed energy weapon? What is a directed 410 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: energy weapon? To Frank Milburn, what is it? 411 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 8: Yeah? 412 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: Well, in this context, when we're talking about amscridge. We're 413 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: talking about a directed microwave energy weapon perspectively, projection of 414 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: microwave energy which causes very deleterious effects to the body. 415 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: In terms of the anomalous health incidents that we've heard about, 416 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 3: the so called Herban syndrome, a lot of those have 417 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 3: been related to a projection of acoustic energy, which also 418 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: causes that has deleterious health effects. But directed energy weapons 419 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: in general, you know, it could be layers as well 420 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 3: as any projection of energy and that are used in 421 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: weapons you also have done. For example, acoustic directed energy 422 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 3: weapons can be used in crowd control as well to 423 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 3: cause nausea, to cause people to desist from, you know, 424 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: violent acts or what they're doing. In Amy's case, well 425 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: documented her and another scientist. You can hear in the 426 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: background well documented that case where the directed energy weapon 427 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: against to one of the cases only where it actually 428 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 3: melted the aluminium blinds onto the window and you can 429 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: actually see the outline of her spine, which was particularly disturbing. 430 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: And in that video you have two scientists who are 431 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 3: professionally highly capable of describing exactly what's happening to them 432 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: in that instance, Amy said that it was effectively a 433 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: use of a directed energy weapon as a surveillance device 434 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: to effectively map what she was doing on the keyboard 435 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: because she had removed the card from her computer because 436 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: she was working on a highly sensitive proposal for the 437 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security. 438 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Frank, you know directed energy weapons. See when I'm assessing 439 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: the scene of Melissa Cassias's remains where they were found 440 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: propped up like a Hollywood prop in a horror movie. 441 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: I think of bullets. I hear about a skull fracture. 442 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: I think about blunt object injury. You're talking about directed 443 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: energy weapon DW. It's an advanced system that damages targets 444 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: or destroys them using electromagnetic energy like a laser or 445 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: a microwave, rather than a kinetic projectile. And when I 446 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: say kinetic projectile, I mean a bullet. Now we know 447 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: that the Havana syndrome is real. We know that American 448 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: citizens overseas from the military have suffered from Havana syndrome. 449 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: How is a DEW directed energy weapon different from Havana 450 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: syndrome in regular people talk? Please, Frank Milbourn. 451 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: Effectively, now you can mount these directed energy weapons with 452 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 3: the power source, the batteries that power them. 453 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 8: You can have them in the back of a van 454 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 8: or a larger pickhut. 455 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: And whether it's an acoustic directed energy weapon or a 456 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: microwave directed energy weapon, this is possible to have this technology. 457 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 8: In fact, it was twenty twenty three or twenty twenty. 458 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 3: Four that there was a Russian gru that's Russian military 459 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: intelligence was actually caught in the United States, and this 460 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: was mentioned in a congressional hearing in twenty twenty four. 461 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: He was caught in the United States with this type 462 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: of equipment in a vehicle, so it's completely portable. You 463 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: can park it up somewhere, establish somebody's pattern of life, 464 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: and that he can zap them with either an acoustic 465 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: or a micro directed energy weapon. And this is a 466 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: it's a sort of like what you could below the radar, 467 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: because you can use it slowly over a period of time, 468 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 3: depending on the amount of energy that's emitted, so it 469 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: doesn't have the kind of effect. You're not going into 470 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 3: somebody's apartment while they're sleeping and shooting them or doing 471 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: or bludgeoning them to death, or doing something that's very 472 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: very like that. This is something that you can do 473 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: over a period of time. 474 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: So we have to accept. Frank Milburn and Jeff Gentry 475 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: and Glennanne Johnson, the public has to accept that there 476 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: are other methods of injury other than those with which 477 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: we are familiar, like a bullet, like a blunt object. 478 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: We know Havana syndrome is documented, first reported in twenty 479 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: sixteen by the US and Canadian embassy's staff in Havana. 480 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: Since then, there have been similar incidences affecting diplomats, intelligence officers, 481 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: military personnel worldwide. Now we're talking about a different technology 482 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: d e W directed energy weapon. Glenn and Johnson, do 483 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: you believe that Melissicasius's injuries could have been caused see 484 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm going with a good old fashioned bullet or blunt 485 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: object because I understand that. But with your knowledge, Glenn Ann, 486 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: do you believe she could have succumbed to a DEW. 487 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: It's possible. I think she was probably. I think she 488 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: was hit with directed energy weapons to get her to 489 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: leave her family to protect them. And I think that 490 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: she was probably interrogated, which may have involved some kinetic 491 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: attacks to her skull and what have you. But I 492 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 2: think that she was lured away from her home by 493 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: the directed energy weapons. 494 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: Could a DW cause a skull fracture? 495 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: Theoretically yes? 496 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I heard the big theoretically right there. So I'm 497 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: going to go with bullet or blunt object because I 498 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: know that there was a skull fracture according to in 499 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: Mexico authorities. Lauren Conlin, there's so much to delve into 500 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: regarding Melissa Cassius because that was a ruse. She took 501 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: her husband to work that morning. He was also ellabor 502 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Then after she drove him through, the driver in that 503 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: facility has to show their own badge. You can't show 504 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: how here's his badge and pull them through. She drops 505 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: them off that she said, oh, I left my badge 506 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: at home. She just used her badge, but he wasn't thinking. 507 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: He goes, okay, so she's going back home to get 508 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: her badge. That was not true. Then she said she 509 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: was going to work from home. Well, why go through 510 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: all that to get your badge to get into your 511 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: office if you're going to work from home. Then she 512 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: goes and sees her daughter and then suddenly she disappears. Okay, 513 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first. I want to 514 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: play you trying to get answers out of DC. Fat chance. 515 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this. 516 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 7: Everybody nothing, Robert at nothing on the missing scientist, General McCaslin. 517 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 8: Shady old media. 518 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 5: You figure it out. Of course there's something going on. 519 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: Yes, fourteen rabbies, fourteen break through, fourteen US car salesman disappeared. 520 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 8: You'd be asking. 521 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: Question, what was that about the rabbi the preacher in 522 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: the east cars? 523 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 5: You know what. 524 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to knock around in his head, no offense. 525 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the facts as we know. 526 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: Then can we talk about McCaslin. By the way, that's 527 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: from Lauren Colin for on TikTok and here she is 528 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: in the flesh. Can we talk about McCasland, because he 529 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: kicked the whole thing off. I mean, his credentials are incredible. 530 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: First of all, who is McCasland, Lauren. 531 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 7: Well, he is pretty much more credentialed, I would say, 532 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 7: than any president we've had in about two decades. But 533 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 7: he oversaw eighty percent of the Pentagon's Black Ops project. 534 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 7: He was a retired Air Force general. He was stationed 535 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 7: at Right Patterson obviously the Air Force Research Lab, and 536 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 7: Nancy I had a very successful boyer request fulfilled last 537 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 7: week where I was give it by the Bernalio Sheriff's 538 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 7: office the last known photo of General McCaslin the day 539 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 7: before he went missing, and I was in shock because 540 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 7: I am thinking, why am I the one putting this out? 541 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 7: Why didn't law enforcement or the FBI put this out? 542 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 7: And not only that in the police report. In one 543 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 7: of the police reports anyway, they indicate that the FBI 544 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 7: did in fact join the investigation on March third, So 545 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 7: I've reached out to them as well. But I will 546 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 7: say parsing through this and going through all of the 547 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 7: bodycam footage, all of the interviews, you learn a lot 548 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 7: about General mccaslin's last few months, and it is very heartbreaking. 549 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 7: There are certain things that don't add up. But also 550 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 7: I do want to point out that friends said that 551 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 7: starting in January he wasn't himself. He was actually in 552 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 7: the process of looking for a doctor to diagnose whatever 553 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 7: he thought that he had. 554 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: Isn't it true to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter 555 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: who has been on the missing scientists and lab workers 556 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: from the beginning, that McCaslin had multiple senior Pentagon roles. 557 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: He oversaw nuclear research at Los Alamo's National Lab. He 558 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: oversaw two of the missing people. Resa, remember she just 559 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: disappeared in a densely wooded area while hiking dogs couldn't 560 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: find her, drones couldn't find her, just gone. And Chavez, 561 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: and he is linked to Cassius, right, I mean, there 562 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: are connections between all of them, But McAslan, McCasland, who 563 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: just walked away with no identification on him to me, 564 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: had connections to so many of the others. 565 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 10: Dave mac wine, Lynch pen for the money attached to 566 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 10: all the research, Nancy, you got to remember McCaslin was 567 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 10: the Air Force Research Laboratory head at right Patterson Air 568 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 10: Force Base in Ohio. 569 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: This is a. 570 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 10: Position that he stayed until he retired, and he was 571 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 10: dealing with billions, not millions, but billions of dollars in 572 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 10: advanced material sciences and future weapons research across the nation 573 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 10: and all of our centers that we were investigating. So 574 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 10: all the research that was being done, all the funding 575 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 10: that came for that research went through mccaslin's hand. That's 576 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 10: why he was aware of everybody that was moving around. 577 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 10: And he's there in Albuquerque, New Mexico, which is where 578 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 10: Kirtland Air Force Base is. That's where he retired after 579 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 10: leaving Right Patterson in Ohio. Well, what do we know 580 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 10: about these areas? They are huge in the UFO research 581 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 10: that has been done, and McCaslin is connected to all 582 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 10: of the things. 583 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: He goes missing in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So does Stephen Garcia, 584 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: Melissa Casius, New Mexico, Monica jacintha Resa vanishes from La 585 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: Anthony Chavez, New Mexico. What is a connection of the 586 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: a f r L. Dave mac the Air Force Research 587 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: Lab it's based at Right Patterson Air Force Base, and 588 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: that Right pat studies reportedly extraterrestrial technology. I also noticed 589 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: that Cassius and Chavez disappear within weeks of each other. 590 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: What about that, David, It. 591 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 10: Is just within weeks, Nancy, Yeah, it's it's shocking how 592 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 10: quickly a lot of these happened and the mysterious way 593 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 10: that they happen. But going back to what McCasland was 594 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 10: over at Right Patterson, it's interesting that Kurtland Air Force 595 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 10: Base in Albuquerque and Right Patterson in Ohio, those are 596 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 10: the two locations that are well known in the UFO 597 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 10: community where research has been conducted. And when you hate 598 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 10: to do this because it seems like I'm going crazy, 599 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 10: But you know the Roswell incident in forty seven and 600 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 10: forty eight, the material allegedly found there was shipped to 601 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 10: right Patterson. 602 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: Are you talking about an alleged extraterrestrial and alien? Is that? 603 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: Just say it? I don't care. I want to hear 604 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Don't dance around the facts, whether they're 605 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: accepted or not. I still want to hear them, even 606 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: if I can destroy them on cross exam, I want 607 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: to hear them. Go ahead. 608 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 5: Well. 609 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 10: The Roswell incident, Nancy is one of the most famous 610 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 10: incidents of all time. Happened in nineteen forty seven outside 611 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 10: of Roswell, New Mexico reported multiple UFO craft were found 612 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 10: crashed in this remote area by a game guy named 613 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 10: Mac Brazil, who was a rancher. He brought some of 614 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 10: the material he found in town. He appeared on a 615 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 10: radio station and did an interview about what he found, 616 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 10: and the next morning, the new or that afternoon rather 617 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 10: the local newspaper reported that flying Saucer had been captured 618 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 10: on that ranch. 619 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: Dave Mac, what does any of that have to do 620 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: your your dredging up ancient history. What does that have 621 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: to do with mcason or Casillas or Jassin Theresa film 622 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: Fill me in what's your in one sentence, what's your connector. 623 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 10: What was found in Roswell, New Mexico was shipped to 624 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 10: write Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. And that's where 625 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 10: McCaslin spent the last years of his career controlling and 626 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 10: doling out billions of dollars in research that went to 627 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 10: all of the people you just mentioned. 628 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: The toll is now up to eighteen missing or dead scientists, 629 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: and I want you to listen to this. You've got 630 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: Michaslin who just walked away and never seen again, Shaeffer 631 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: who died in custody on a contested claim. Asin Theresa 632 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: just seemingly is just beamed up out of a heavily 633 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: wooded area. She's never seen again. Chevez still missing. Cassias 634 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: now claims she committed suicide, although no cod has been offered. 635 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: There's no bullet, which means no suicide. Garcia missing, may 636 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: Wald no cause of death. Since twenty twenty four, Jason 637 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: Thomas is found dead in a pond. Michael David Hicks. 638 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: It was said he died of obesity. Amy Escridge, David Willcox, 639 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: Joshua le Blank, Matthew Sullivan, top clearance, Ning Lee, renowned 640 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: scientists walks in front of a car. Ingrid Lane still 641 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: missing after a boulder attacked her car. But where was 642 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: her body? Kevin Childress dead on the sofa? Okay, Glenn 643 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: Ann Johnson, weapons engineer with the US Department of Defense, 644 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: What do you make of the list I just. 645 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 2: Gave you, Well, it's happening. What happened to them is 646 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: happening to a lot of people with top secret clearance 647 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 2: that had nothing to do with UFOs and found foreign 648 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 2: malicious code and parts in US systems, especially US Air 649 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 2: Force systems. And they changed my medical records to say 650 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: that I had anxiety, mental depression, things that I've never had, 651 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: and it was from medical records from Vanderbilt, a place 652 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 2: I've never been. So they were setting it up to 653 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 2: do the same thing to me. It's happening to my 654 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: friends that own companies that found code injections from the 655 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 2: same locations Huntsville, Alabama and Currentland Air Force Base, New Mexico. 656 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 2: So I think that all of these people's connection is 657 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 2: that they tried to stop terrorism and counter terrorism from occurring. 658 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 2: They blew the whistle on something and there are people, 659 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 2: bad actors that murdered them for it, and they made 660 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 2: it look like a suicide. That's what I think is happening. 661 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: Frank Milbourne. So often I've seen in criminal prosecutions and investigations, 662 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: different jurisdictions do not cooperate, so we don't understand. For instance, 663 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: one person is killing many people. Here's a great example, 664 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: Frank DeAngelo, the Golden State killer. Okay, he went from 665 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: multiple jurisdictions, as did Israel Keys. Nobody connected any of 666 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: the dots, so they just kept killing. Here, we're not 667 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: connecting the dots. How can so many scientists just commit 668 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: suicide even though they say I would never kill myself. 669 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: If you read that, that's not true. One ends up 670 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: at the bottom of lake, One ends up propped up 671 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: against tree like a Hollywood prop. I mean, it just 672 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: goes on and on. One's dead on a sofa. One 673 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: dies of obesity, one dies of an ode of bedwetting 674 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: medication just before they're set to speak to Congress. It's 675 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: just way in. 676 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's stretches credulity and in the case. Specifically, 677 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 3: we can talk about you know, Abs Gridge, Aiden Schaeffer 678 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 3: Kay both diseased, both accused one of thearticular entity and 679 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 3: group of people of corporate espionage and also extremely violent 680 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 3: crimes as well these allegations. But there's also a person 681 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 3: who's still alive who worked with the same people that 682 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 3: Aidan Schafer and Amy Escridge work with, who it's the 683 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 3: same allegations. And these are all documented and recorded online 684 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 3: and I've provided them to you. So I find it 685 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 3: very very strange that somebody would go to such lengths 686 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 3: to do hit pieces on Aiden Schafer and Amy Escridge 687 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,560 Speaker 3: after they're dead, before they're dead, you know, while they're 688 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 3: still alive. So why would you do You know, this 689 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 3: kind of like a stit shop job effectively, you know, 690 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 3: a hit job on people, unless you want to discredit 691 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 3: them because you are trying to cover something up yourself. 692 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: To John Nance joining US, former supervisory special Agent with 693 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: the FBI, John, what do you think. 694 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 4: Well taken in the aggregate, I think it's undeniable. That's 695 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 4: something that farious is occurring. And by the way, we 696 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 4: haven't really touched on this yet, but there's historical perspective 697 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 4: on this as well. In nineteen fifties, a number of 698 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 4: scientists associated with the Manhattan Project disappeared died under mysterious circumstances. 699 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 4: And then in the eighties you have twenty five scientists 700 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:18,439 Speaker 4: technicians associated with Reagan's Star Wars missile defense system that 701 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 4: die quote unquote committed suicide under incredibly strange circumstances. In fact, 702 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 4: one of the instances, one of the individuals was found 703 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 4: in his vehicle with a rope tied around his neck, 704 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 4: one end tied to a tree. The vehicle was moved 705 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 4: forward and caused that individual to quote unquote strangle to death, 706 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 4: which was the alleged mode of suicide. So it doesn't 707 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 4: surprise me that we have an FBI investigation, especially with 708 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 4: regard to mccaslin's case. Another very interesting to me feature 709 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 4: of these cases has to do with Sullivan, who you 710 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, who supposedly committed suicide with bedwetting medication. Well, 711 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 4: Sullivan was scheduled to testify before Congress about UAP matters. 712 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 4: David Grush just not long ago, i think a week 713 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 4: or so ago, said that McCaslin was on the short 714 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 4: list to testify before Congress about UAP matters. So all 715 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 4: of these connection points, these data points suggest to me 716 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 4: that something nefarious is certainly occurring. Now you know, whether 717 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 4: Maria was, you know, the victim of directed energy weapons 718 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 4: or not. I don't know. I haven't heard anything substantive 719 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 4: as to that particular matter. But the way her body 720 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 4: was positioned, I agree with your analysis. I think to 721 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 4: suggest that that was a suicide as absurd. The fact 722 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 4: that that her bones were not scanned suggests to me 723 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 4: that the body was placed there. The skull fracture, to 724 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 4: me indicates, you know, obviously perhaps some sort of blunt 725 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 4: force trauma, so very very mysterious circumstances. I think all 726 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 4: of this suggests and warrants detailed investigation from the FBI. 727 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 4: And just because you're not hearing about it from the 728 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 4: Bureau in particular, doesn't mean it's not occurring. The FBI 729 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 4: is notoriously tight lift and for good reason about investigations 730 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 4: they're in the middle of conducting. 731 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: Jeff Gentry forensic certified Bloodstained pattern Analyst, Senior crime scene analyst, 732 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: death investigator, former toxicology lab analyst, author of forensic science 733 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,720 Speaker 1: applications to death and crime scene investigations. 734 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 10: And more. 735 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 6: Jeff Nancy, I've handled thousands of death investigations over the 736 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 6: course of my career, and anytime that you have a 737 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 6: larger number than normal of a certain type of death, 738 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 6: you should be concerned. Most debts are natural causes, and 739 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 6: they're pretty straightforward investigations. So you would expect with this 740 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 6: number of scientists that have been missing, you would expect 741 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 6: that maybe one or two three could be abnormal types 742 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 6: of debts like accidents or suicides, but you don't expect 743 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 6: the majority of them to be suicides or accidents, or 744 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,600 Speaker 6: or homicides in these cases. So if you have those 745 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 6: abnormally skewed statistics, you really have to take a deeper 746 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 6: dive into this. You have to ask, why are these 747 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 6: people with brilliant minds ending up essentially crazy at the 748 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 6: end of their lives. 749 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 5: So that's what I would be looking into. 750 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 6: I want to know why this has occurred, why there 751 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 6: are abnormal statistics related to these scientists, way outside of 752 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 6: what you would normally expect in normal death investigation cases. 753 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, investigative reporter, Lauren, what do you make of 754 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: this most recent development? 755 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,320 Speaker 7: None of this makes sense to me at all. Also, 756 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 7: general McCaslin. He and his wife, you know, they had 757 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 7: discussed his state of mind, but his wife said they 758 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 7: never talked about his feelings on suicide. This never would 759 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 7: have crossed her mind. She didn't think it would have 760 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 7: crossed his mind. So the fact that that's also coming 761 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 7: up because General McCaslin did leave with a thirty eight caliber, 762 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,720 Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's fishy, it's it's suspicious, and it's 763 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 7: it's just it's beyond frustrating. 764 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the 765 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: missing and dead scientists and lab workers, please dial eight hundred, 766 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,959 Speaker 1: Call FBI eight hundred, call FBI two two five five 767 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,760 Speaker 1: three two four. We remember American hero Captain Christopher Guero, 768 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,839 Speaker 1: New York State Police, died as a result of being 769 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: a hero in the September eleven attack. Served our country 770 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: for twenty three years, leaving behind his wife, Gillian, and 771 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: two daughters, Ella and Maggie. American hero Captain Christopher Guero, 772 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest, but especially to you for 773 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, 774 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night, friend,