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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: hundred and five, and today in the show, we're detailing

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know about the on the ground

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Speaker 1: work that has happened at our new back forty farms

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Speaker 1: so far, and the strategy we have to start hunting

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Speaker 1: it in the coming days. All right, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you by on x

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Speaker 1: um It's funny Dan. Just as I was reading that,

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Speaker 1: um so, I'm here with Dan obviously, and as I

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Speaker 1: was reading that introduction, in my head, I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about a comment I read recently on a post by

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Speaker 1: meat Eater, and I was in some video on the media,

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Speaker 1: your Instagram post and someone commented, and I quote, Mark

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Speaker 1: Kenyan is as dry as a popcorn fart, not to myself,

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Speaker 1: as I was just opening that line, like, am I

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Speaker 1: that dry? It's my voice that boring? I don't think

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Speaker 1: of that bed Dan, Am I No, you're not that bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're not. Let's be honest, You're not the

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Speaker 1: wettest part out there in the world. No, I'm no shart,

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Speaker 1: but uh but oh man, that's a way to start

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Speaker 1: the podcast. What what we're gonna do today, Dan, I've

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Speaker 1: got a handful of things I want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: like an announcement, and then I want to be asked

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Speaker 1: with you a little bit about what's going on your

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Speaker 1: hunting world. I want to give a little bit of

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Speaker 1: an update on what's going on with some of my

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Speaker 1: local Michigan stuff. But the main gist of today's show,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be leaning on you heavily, Dan Um,

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Speaker 1: is to put you in the podcast host seat a

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Speaker 1: little bit as the main interviewer, Um and grill me

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Speaker 1: about the back forty Um. You know, we we mentioned

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Speaker 1: this a little bit last week. You and I were

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Speaker 1: talking about the fact that we we bought this farm,

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Speaker 1: and now I am kind of being put in charge

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Speaker 1: of trying to steward this farm in the future and

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Speaker 1: making a great deer hunting property but also by a diverse,

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Speaker 1: high quality habitat for all sorts of wildlife. So so

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Speaker 1: that's like this charge that's been put on me, and

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Speaker 1: I want to kind of get everyone up to speed

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Speaker 1: though on where we stand today just before opening day

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Speaker 1: of Hunting season, because we did an episode two or

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Speaker 1: three weeks ago UM in which me and Steve talked

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Speaker 1: about like the impetus for this whole idea, like why

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Speaker 1: And then the second part of that episode was with

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Speaker 1: myself and further and Jake e Linger and we kind

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Speaker 1: of did a tour of the property audio tour talking

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Speaker 1: about Okay, this is what this area looks like, this

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Speaker 1: is what Jake thought about it, this is what this

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Speaker 1: area looks like. This is what Jake thought about it.

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Speaker 1: But we still have not actually talked about what has

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Speaker 1: happened on the farm so far, what work have I

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Speaker 1: gotten done so far on the farm? Um, and what's

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Speaker 1: the game plan to start hunting it? Like, there's a

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Speaker 1: whole lot that's happened that we need to kind of

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Speaker 1: I think, Um, you know, you need that first chapter

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Speaker 1: So that's what I wanted to do today, is is

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Speaker 1: back forty and and I'll kind of talk through that.

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Speaker 1: But then I'm hoping that you can poke and prod

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Speaker 1: things that you're curious about too. So that's that's my

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Speaker 1: main idea. Are you Are you down for them? So

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Speaker 1: I mean, do they know this is happening? Because I

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Speaker 1: feel like some corporate guy was gonna be like, uh,

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Speaker 1: not so fast. Hell no, man, I gotta keep this

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Speaker 1: on the d l Okay anyone listening, don't tell Steve

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Speaker 1: that this goofball chair. No, no, no, it'll be It'll

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Speaker 1: be fun. But one other checkbox, we have to hit

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Speaker 1: we just kind of have to like just make a

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Speaker 1: actually wrote a whole damn book. UM. So, Dan, you've

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Speaker 1: um and I announced well announced on Instagram. But there's

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Speaker 1: follow me on social media. Ah. So for those of

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Speaker 1: writing project, um over and over again, and that was

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Speaker 1: this book. I've been writing a book. It's about the

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Speaker 1: history and present in future of our American public lands. UM.

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Speaker 1: And so I examine all the different things that led

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Speaker 1: out here, and then kind of start exploring what's been

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Speaker 1: for the future of these places. And I dive into

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Speaker 1: all of that through a series of my own stories,

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Speaker 1: my own adventures on these places. So I share stories

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Speaker 1: of backcrafting, trips in Montana, fly fishing and wyoming, hiking

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Speaker 1: in Utah, camping and backpacking in northern Michigan, hunting in Alaska,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff like that is in this book.

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Speaker 1: The books called That Wild Country an epic journey through

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Speaker 1: the past, present in future of America's public lands, and

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Speaker 1: it is coming out is being published on December one.

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Speaker 1: So I'll get a signed copy, right if you really

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Speaker 1: want to sign copy, I absolutely would do that. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want a little note in there, Like Dan, You've

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Speaker 1: been such a huge, gigantic, enormous influence in my life

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Speaker 1: and this book would never have been possible without you.

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Speaker 1: And you know, just like just something simple like that

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Speaker 1: for sure, Dan Johnson. Every time I've come to a

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Speaker 1: Thank you for guiding me through life. Oh that's funny,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one. Yeah, thanksy so I'll make sure

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Speaker 1: you describe that in the front of your copy, right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I just wanted to like put it out

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Speaker 1: And once we get to that publication date around December one.

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Speaker 1: episode talking about the book, talking about the topic. UM.

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Speaker 1: never knew about that stuff until I actually lived it, UM,

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Speaker 1: that idea, dan Um, I was thinking in a month

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Speaker 1: it is what it is, man, It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: You sound reluctantly like, Damn, I don't want to talk

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Speaker 1: Because I narrated the audio book, so you're used to

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Speaker 1: What is going on? I'll tell you what I got.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so I did that. But before I went

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Speaker 1: three year olds. And in almost all of my past

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00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: years out here, that would be like a no brainer

431
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: shooter for me. Um. That would be if I killed

432
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: either one of those two deer, that would be my

433
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, second best buck on this property. Um. But

434
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: because the three year olds, I just have kind of

435
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: had my mindset this year on really really wanting to

436
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: be a four year old or older. UM. And I

437
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: just can't convince myself that either of these deer or four.

438
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: One of one of them, Gimpy, I'm sure he's three.

439
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: The other one I'm still unsure of. Um. I need

440
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: to see him in person sometimes and that I looked

441
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: at him, like, God, he looks like he maybe could be.

442
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: But but if I'm being honest with my stuff, I

443
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: still think he's probably three. Um, but they're both great bucks. Like,

444
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone in Michigan who would probably pass

445
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: on him. It would be very I mean, I'm sure

446
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: there are some people who do, but not many people

447
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: would pass these bucks. Um, so it's gonna kind of

448
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: pain me to see these deer and be like, oh

449
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: my goodness, I can't believe I'm not gonna take a

450
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: crack of one. But um, but I'm gonna try to

451
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: stick to my guns and hold out for a four

452
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: year old. And there's one four year old out here

453
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: who's that buck Trand that we've talked about, um passed

454
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: on him last year is a three year old. He's back.

455
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: He's a really really super cool, tight and tall eight pointer,

456
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: just a big frame on him. Um. So I've been

457
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: I've seen him twice in the summer, and then I've

458
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: got a handful of pictures of him. He lives in

459
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: the typically in one corner of the farm that you

460
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: can't really see really well right now because they're standing

461
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: corn on that side. But I do have some pictures,

462
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: so I think he's around still. Last picture I got

463
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: of him was on the fourteenth of September. So if

464
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: he's alive still, if he made it through the youth season, um,

465
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: he will be the deer I'm hunting and uh here

466
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. I don't think I'm gonna

467
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: go out for him opening night. I think I'm just

468
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna do like a long distance observation set because it's

469
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: gonna be like eighty five here. But a cold front

470
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: hits the next day, so I think I'm gonna observe

471
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: on opening night, and then the next two nights it

472
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: drops like twenty thirty degrees and high pressure. Looks awesome,

473
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna take a stab for him early.

474
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: Um with that front. So that's awesome. Man's awesome, He's cool.

475
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: You mentioned you mentioned three year old. I my tricky

476
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: amber picks have showed me this year that the next batch,

477
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: like this year's three year olds, are some really good

478
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: three year old. I got like this, this three year old,

479
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: and you could tell his body not mature. He is

480
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: like a one sixty class ten right now, and he is.

481
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: He looks amazing. He just like this, like the perfect ten.

482
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: And uh, he's one of those deer that if you're

483
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: having a long rut, you don't want to see him

484
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: show up because you could get a little trigger happy

485
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: with him. But um, I got a really good stable

486
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: of three year olds this year, so I'm excited to see,

487
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: like I'm already thinking about next season just a little bit. Yeah,

488
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I can't imagine seeing a hundred and sixty

489
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: class buck come running through the woods and then realize

490
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: that it's not a mature deer, Like I just can't

491
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: fathom what that's like, right, And you know, like I said, man,

492
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to you know, brag or what anything about.

493
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: It's just like, this is the part of the state

494
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: that I live in, right, I'm just lucky. Enjoya dude,

495
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. Soak it up. Speaking of big

496
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: deer and awesome bucks and all that, um, we should

497
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: talk about the opposite of that, which is no good bucks,

498
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: which is the back forty um and all seriousness. I

499
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: do want to like get everybody up to speed on

500
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: where things stand on that property and how I'm gonna

501
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: try to hunt it and what we're doing on it, um,

502
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far, etcetera, etcetera, because I will

503
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: be starting to hunt that farm very soon here too.

504
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Um So what do you know? Did you know? Basically

505
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: we bought a farm and I want to start at

506
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: the beginning even before like this, because I am in

507
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: the process. Not it's it's the very beginning process of

508
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: looking for a piece to potentially buy. Now, it's not

509
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna be forty. It is gonna be there fifty or acres.

510
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: It's fifteen acres. I need to approach a farmer about it, right, uh,

511
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: And I want to talk to them. I've already talked

512
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: with a banker a little bit to see what I

513
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: can get, how much down payment I need, all this stuff.

514
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: So the first question to you about this back forty is,

515
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I know that it's not just you, it's uh, it's

516
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: like a business thing as well. But what what's the

517
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: story of actually getting this property, approaching whoever you approached,

518
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: and actually purchasing it. So I will give you like

519
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: a really quick cliff Notes version on that because we

520
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: actually I actually record a full episode on that problem,

521
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: on that whole process with UM, with Sean Kelly, who

522
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: was the agent who helped me make the purchase. So

523
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: so I will give everybody a very very very deep

524
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: dive into that. But I figure we're gonna hold onto

525
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: that episode until after hunting season because I think the

526
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: ind of most Peole this time of year, they want

527
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: to talk about hunting or getting ready for hunting. UM

528
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: talking really deep on buying land probably makes more sense

529
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: for the next year. But at a very high level, UM, basically, right,

530
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: we we as a team decide, Okay, this is something

531
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: we want to do, this is how much money we

532
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: have to work with, and this is the general region

533
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: we are looking. And then I had a set of

534
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: criteria that were important to me, from like making this

535
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: be a place that could be good for hunting, but

536
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: then also with the other goals we have, like we

537
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: want to be able to have a property that would

538
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: serve as it's kind of a canvas to to paint

539
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: the picture of what private land conservation and small property

540
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: ownership is like. So I wanted to find something that

541
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: was representative of a wide swath of what anyone out

542
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: there could have. So all of that is to say

543
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: that I began first just searching online for small hunting properties.

544
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I was looking at like thirty acres to sixty acres

545
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: in that ballpark, um, and all within like basic driving

546
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: distance of you know where I'm at, trying to make

547
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: it a reasonable drive for me to get back and

548
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: forth in that property. So I was looking in central Michigan,

549
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: southern Michigan, looked in northern Ohio, looked in northern Indiana.

550
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: UM looked at east and west side of the state.

551
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: UM and in short, wanted a property that I had

552
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: a few things in Michigan. If you're trying to have

553
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: a property that could hold a mature bucker, two, I

554
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: think one of the very most important things is having

555
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: like a sanctuary type of cover available. So either one

556
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: of two things, you get to have habitat that provides

557
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: sanctuary still like a big swamp, or you need a

558
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: property nearby that serves as a sanctuary, like a reserve

559
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't allow hunting, or boy scout camp that doesn't

560
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: allow hunting or something like that. UM. So, even when

561
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking for properties to get permission on, I usually

562
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: look for for things like a big swamp. In this case,

563
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: I was trying to find regions that had that type

564
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: of habitat. So I was looking for swampy ground. I

565
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: was looking for ground that had lots of good, thick,

566
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: nasty bedding cover. Again, anything that a buck might be

567
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: able to hold up into and survive a couple of

568
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: guns seasons. UM wanted that diversity of habitats, so I

569
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: was trying to find something that wasn't just a big

570
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: block of timber that wasn't just a huge field. Um.

571
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I wanted a little bit of everything. Um. I wanted

572
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: to find something that was in a good neighborhood. So

573
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: if we ever hoped to see mature deer in Michigan,

574
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: you usually need to have some neighbors that are on

575
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: board the same type of thing too. Um. So you know,

576
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: all the different properties I looked at, I was constantly

577
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: trying to find out about the neighbors. I was going online.

578
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: I was looking at onyx and getting property owners names

579
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: and then googling their names and trying to find out

580
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: stuff about them, trying to see if they posted anything

581
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: about deer, see if they are on Michigan buck Pole,

582
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: see if they had um been in a newspaper article whatever. Like,

583
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: there was a property I found where I did this

584
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: and there was a local newspaper article about them, and

585
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: they shot two really nice bucks on opening day. Uh

586
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: so that was like a great big green lead. Okay, great,

587
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: these people are on board, and that they were talking

588
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: all about how they like to pass on young bucks

589
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. So I did that

590
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: kind of research throughout. Um. You know, I wanted to

591
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: find the kind of place where you could also have

592
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do a lot of different types of projects.

593
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: So this goes back to diversity. But you know, I

594
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: wanted something where we'd be able to do some food.

595
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: We want to be able to plant food plots. We

596
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: want we will work with fields. We want to learn

597
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: about early successional habitat. But I also want something that

598
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: maybe we could do some timber stuff, maybe we could

599
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: do some wetlands stuff. So again that's the whole diversity deal. Um.

600
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: And then also just thought about how it would hunt

601
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: as well, So trying to find properties that you could

602
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: access to hunt, trying to find properties that weren't like

603
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: all road frontage, because I don't want to forty acre

604
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: property but two sides of it are along a big

605
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: highway and there's people all over the place. UM. So

606
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: first I looked online for these kinds of things, and

607
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I took it. Took me months of looking. Um. I

608
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: think I've visited fourteen or fifteen different properties in person. UM.

609
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: So I'd go out there. I walked the whole place,

610
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: studying the mass beforehand, walk them in person. Sometimes I

611
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: do that by myself, sometimes I do it with an agent.

612
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: UM scoured the internet talked to a bunch of people

613
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: on the phone and ended up being like a frustrating process.

614
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Actually like did not go as well as I thought

615
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: it would go. It was much harder than I expected.

616
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: Had a couple of properties sold out from underneath me

617
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: where I thought we were going to be able to

618
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: put in an offer, and then the last minute was

619
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: snatched up. So and I know I've told the story before,

620
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I think in the announcement podcast, but I was actually

621
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: driving to go see a different farm, and on my

622
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: way to go see that farm, which was what I'd

623
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: seen online, I passed by a sign at a different

624
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: property and I stopped and looked at on the phone,

625
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: and it's just like, wow, that farm looks good. And

626
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: that ended up being the back Ford it that we

627
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: ended up purchasing um And once we once I found

628
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: the farm, I thought it looked good. And then I

629
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: decided to call up Sean Kelly, who was a agent

630
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: for White Tailed Properties and he helped us as a

631
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: buyer's agent. So he came and helped us facilitate like

632
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: all the logistics of actually you know, clearing all the

633
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: legal stuff, making sure there were any weird red flags

634
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: about the property. Things that we wouldn't have known, um

635
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: having not having this experience in the past, and he

636
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: kind of just handheld us through the whole through the

637
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: whole purchase, which which helped a lot. UM. So the

638
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: really quick snapshot version of it is is that that's

639
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: what it took to get the place. It was harder

640
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: than I expected, it took longer than I expected, UM,

641
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: but but it came in. We got a really fair

642
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: price on the property. UM. It's sixty four acres. UH.

643
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: It's got a nice diversity, it's in a good neighborhood.

644
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: There's several different people around it that managed for for

645
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: deer and wildlife and their serious hunters. It's got great

646
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: sanctuary cover with a swamp um and there's a little

647
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: bit of everything. There's old fields, there's timber, there's ridge

648
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: and lots of topography. There's a big swamp UM. So

649
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: it has all the building blocks I think to make

650
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: it a really cool place. UM. And that's where we started.

651
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: We we we closed on it in I think it

652
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: was the very end of April, beginning of May. We

653
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: were able to get on the farm for the first time.

654
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome, all right. So now you have

655
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: it right, Like what I mean, you get a you

656
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: get a piece of property. It is now quote unquote

657
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: yours right. You're you're the decision maker on it. As

658
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: far as what you're going to try to do, did

659
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: you before you even started that, did you have to

660
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: have like a little sit down brainstorming session about goals

661
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: and what were some realistic expectations of this farm in

662
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: year one? And then did you say, okay, well I

663
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: need a five year goal, ten year goal whatever. There

664
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: definitely were those types of internal conversations. Yes, um, Admittedly

665
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: I did not go and set five or ten year

666
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: old ten year goals, but definitely had ideas of Okay,

667
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: what can we achieve in year one? What can we

668
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: achieve in year two? What would be where we things

669
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: to be going from there? Um? But there was a

670
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: lot of unique um logistical challenges with actually getting things done.

671
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: So for me, right personally, I had a goal of

672
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, all, I've got a new small property. I

673
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: would love to turn this into a great deer hunting property,

674
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: and I would love to have the opportunity to kill

675
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: mature buck off it every year and then for it

676
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: to you know, be able to be hunted in proper

677
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: balance with the habitat for dose, that would be like

678
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: my personal goals, that's what I'd like to do, as

679
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: We'll turn this thing into a spot that would produce

680
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: a couple of mature bucks every year that you could

681
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: hunt them. Um. But then we also were trying to

682
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: do some different things in the farm too, So could

683
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: we also manage this place not just to be great

684
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: for deer, but also to be um, you know, providing

685
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: for the whole suite of species that might be out there.

686
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: So thinking about things like pollinators, thinking about things like

687
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: songbirds and small mammals, native planet life, UM. A lot

688
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: more than I've ever delved in deep too as well.

689
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: So really in the early stages, it was like I

690
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: know how to how to hunt deer, I know how

691
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: to make a farm pretty darn good for deer. How

692
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: do I do these other things? And then how do

693
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I combine the two? That was like my big challenge

694
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: on the front end, and so I had a lot

695
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: of learning to do. So I read a lot of books,

696
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: started talking to a lot of people, and started bringing

697
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: in a handful of experts to provide their opinions on

698
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: the property. But we had a couple of things that

699
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: held that up even further, which were the fact that

700
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to document everything, so we needed a camera

701
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: crew to film any real work that I did in

702
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: the farm or any time I brought a guest out

703
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: on the farm, because we're trying to document this for

704
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: the show, for the back forty show, um, And that

705
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: just ended up taking a lot longer set up than

706
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: I realized. So even though we picked up the farm

707
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: in May, we didn't actually get to start until August.

708
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: So for months the farm was just sitting there and

709
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything. Like I went out there a

710
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: couple of times. I put a couple of cameras out.

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: I tried one small project that I just decided, you know,

712
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I have to get this thing done. I don't care

713
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: about the filming it. Um. Otherwise, though, we had like

714
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: three wasted months, so like absolutely pained me. We had

715
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: this place for three months and didn't do anything so

716
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: our off season. We could have achieved so much more

717
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: in the off season this year, but just because it's

718
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: difficult to line up everything it takes to do a

719
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: project like this film, a project like this documented, you know,

720
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: do everything we're doing with it. Um, I just couldn't.

721
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: So early on, all I could do is I went

722
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: turkey hunting a couple of days and saw a bunch

723
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: of turkeys. Didn't not killing one, but there's turkeys out

724
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: there that's exciting. No other roost in ready to kill one.

725
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: Next year, UM, I did that. I brought out a

726
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: uh local representative for the Natural Resources Conservation Service. Are

727
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: you familiar with the NRCS. I think it's it might

728
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: be something different Iowa, but they have it. Yeah. Yeah,

729
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: So it's actually a national things through the U. S

730
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: d A. So basically, these are the folks that are

731
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: spread out across the country to help with agricultural producers,

732
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: connecting them with various programs like the c RP program

733
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: also stuff like that. So basically I connected with the

734
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: guy who was in my region and he came and

735
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: walk the property with us, talk to me about what

736
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: he was seeing, and then shared with us what opportunities

737
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: there might be to participate in the government program. So

738
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: basically there's there's a bunch of different programs that the

739
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: government puts on UM that will incentivize private landowners to

740
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: do good things for their land. UM, what are also

741
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: good for the soil that are also good for wildlife

742
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: UM that could be good for future farming efforts UM.

743
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: And so they want people to do that, so they

744
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: will either help pay for parts of the work or

745
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: sometimes pay your rental payment to actually use your land

746
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: for that. So you're probably familiar in a lot of

747
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: people are probably familiar with CRP UM. Basically, the government

748
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: will pay you a certain amount of money per acre

749
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: of land that you enroll in the CRP program, and

750
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: then what you are bound to do is manage it

751
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: to the plan that you agreed with the government to do.

752
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: So many cases is planting a blend of native grasses

753
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: and pollinator mixes UM. And you have to mow it

754
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: every year, spray it every year, do different things like that.

755
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: But it's able to put the put the ground back

756
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: into some kind of early successional habitat or something different

757
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: than just crops over and over and over again to

758
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: help rebuild that soil. UM. So there's a bunch of

759
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: different variations on CRP programs or something called EQUIP. There's

760
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: something called w r e P I think it was,

761
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: which is a Wetland Reserve program UM. So we're looking

762
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: to like figure out is there a way that we

763
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: can get involved in one of these programs so that

764
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: will actually be paid to do good stuff for deer

765
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: and wildlife, or they'll at least help pay for some

766
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: of the seed, or help pay for the fertilizer, help

767
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: pay for the herbicide or something like that. Um. The

768
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: issue with all that is that most of these programs

769
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: require a long term contract and require a long term plan. So,

770
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: like with CRP, if you want to involve enrolling that

771
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: you have to do it for a minimum ten years,

772
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I believe, and you have to agree to a plan

773
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: on the front end. So the plan would say, Okay,

774
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna plant grasses in this ten acre chunk, I'm

775
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna plant grasses and small shrubs or something in this

776
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: twenty acres. I'm gonna do this in this ten and

777
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: then you might be stuck with that. So if I

778
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: were to make changes that might not be in agreeance

779
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: with the plan, then I could be pulled from the

780
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: CRP program. They might not pay me. Um, you know,

781
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I could get in trouble. So it ended up being

782
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: the case that because we want to experiment and change

783
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: things a lot and try new things all the time, UH,

784
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: just it wasn't gonna work, and the fact that you know,

785
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: at some point here we're going to give the place away.

786
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: We didn't necessarily want to put it into a ten

787
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: year contract, give it away and then you know, someone

788
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: else being stuck in that contract. So for now we're

789
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: not participating in those kinds of programs. But it was

790
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: good to learn about it, to see what's available out there,

791
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: and I do think it's it's a good thing that

792
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: folks you know about. If you want to improve your

793
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: property for deer and hunting and wildlife, you're definitely talked

794
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: to your n RCS folks, because there are programs where

795
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: they will help you do it. Um. And in a

796
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of cases, this stuff can cost some money, so

797
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: why not get the government's helped to do that. And

798
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: it's a good thing for the larger surroundings. It's a

799
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: good thing for you, it's a good thing for your deer,

800
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: it's a good thing for your hunting. So I was

801
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: glad that we at least explore that. Yeah. Um, so

802
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: when you first got access to the farm, right before

803
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: you started talking to these quote unquote experts, you know,

804
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, hey, pollinators and soil, what did you know, know,

805
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: just from walking the farm and looking at it, what

806
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: did you think that the farm needed right off the

807
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: bat without any specialists help. Good question. So it's it's

808
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: kind of simple, um to make this place a great

809
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: deer hunting farm. If I all you care about what's

810
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: great deer? It just needs two things. It has great

811
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: cover in the center of the property, has got this

812
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: great swamp. It's got great topography. It has that, so

813
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: it basically needed us. It needed to be a spot

814
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: to be left alone. So it needed a spot where

815
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: you know, these bucks aren't gonna be spooked all the time.

816
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: And then it needed food. We had no food on

817
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: it right now. So I knew that if I kept

818
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: this area, if I kept bucks feeling safe in here,

819
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: and if I planted a bunch of great food, and

820
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: then one of the thing, you can make this into

821
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: a great farm. The one of the thing was that

822
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: right now there's these six old fields and the property.

823
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: You have to be able to get in and out

824
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: of the farm without spooking deer to be able to

825
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: hunt it. Well. Currently, excuse me. Once the leaves come

826
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: down in the weedy fields open up, you're kind of

827
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: left out to hang in some spots around these fields.

828
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: Even if you're trying to walk the outside edges of

829
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: the property, if you have food planted in the middle

830
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: of these fields, you're gonna be feeding them in need

831
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: the evening, or feeding them in the early morning in

832
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: your or spook them coming in and out. So the

833
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: trick with this whole property was getting enough food in

834
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: here to make deer use it and to have deer

835
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: coming in and out and become patentable. But somehow do

836
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: that in such a way that you're not spooking deer

837
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: every time you try to hunt them. That was like

838
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: the one big trick to the place. Kind of like

839
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they're overgrown fields, so like every layer as

840
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: of right now, most of these fields are four to

841
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: six ft tall and weeds and very thick, and so

842
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: a deer could walk through it and they would never

843
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: see anyone or anything. But I think once it gets

844
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: cold so here in the next few weeks, the next month,

845
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: a lot of leaf cover is gonna die. It's gonna

846
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: come down, and now we're gonna be left with stocks

847
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: and so then it will be much more open. Now

848
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of rolling hills on the property, so

849
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: the terrain itself will shield you, and so in a

850
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: lot of areas, you can move around the outer edge

851
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: of the farm and be quite shielded from much of

852
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: the rest of the property. Just by the case you

853
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: can move around hills. But still if you if you

854
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: tried to plant too great, big five acre food plots

855
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: in the middle of those fields, there's just gonna be

856
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: way too much visibility. So from the pure deer hunting perspective,

857
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: I knew I had to do two things. I had

858
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: to get food in the ground, but I had to

859
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: get it placed in such a way that deer one

860
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: get be getting spooped out of it. So I needed

861
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: to be able to move around the farm around those

862
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: food plots in those fields farther enough away from the

863
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: deer would be, or have the deer move across the

864
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: property in such a way that I would know that

865
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: at certain times a day, I could move to the

866
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: east and get past where they shouldn't be deer, or

867
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: go to the south and there wouldn't be deer at

868
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: that point. Um Or what I could do is I

869
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: could plant screening cover around these food plots or around

870
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: certain parts of the property to create you know, walls

871
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: of vegetation, and you've heard me talk about that in

872
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: the past, right, Um. I've used that on the Michigan Farm,

873
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: the other Michigan spot. I hunt a lot where I

874
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: can plant, you know, like this wall of sorghum that

875
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: just blocks vision, and so I try to do that.

876
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: That's the one small project, and we talked about it

877
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: this summer. Tried to plant that earlier this summer and

878
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: it was just a complete failure. I tried to do

879
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: it no till because we're trying to instill this whole

880
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: no tail approach to how we plant, which is better

881
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: for the soil and in the water and everything. Um,

882
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: but it did not work this spring. Um what I

883
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: tried to do. So so basically what we have now

884
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: is our screens didn't come in well at all. I

885
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: tried to replant in early August, which is really really

886
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: really late, but I tried. Anyways, we got some stuff

887
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: to grow, but it's not really all at tall. So

888
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: I just do not know what we're gonna be dealing

889
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: with as far as visibility, Like, are we how much

890
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: can I hunt this place without spooking the heck out

891
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: of all these deer because it's not as broken up

892
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: as I'd wanted yet, and we don't have enough good

893
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: cover that stands into the winter. Um. So when we

894
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: get to next year, A big thing we'll be doing

895
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: next year is trying to convert these old fields from

896
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: just negative from just weedy invasive pieces two more native

897
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: grasses to some taller growing species that will stand up

898
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: straight through the cold weather, so that maybe some switch grass,

899
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe some some different native cool season or warm season grasses,

900
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: some different wildflowers, probably will plant some screens, maybe plant

901
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: some trees or shrubs. Um. But trying to break up

902
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: these wide open fields into much more diverse and thick

903
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: cover UM, that will be the that will be the

904
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: next step. But I just couldn't you know, pushing all

905
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: of our work into the last month of the summer

906
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: resulted in us just not being able to tackle anything

907
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of that large scale unfortunately. So you mentioned, you know,

908
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: you haven't really thought about a ten of your plan.

909
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: So is that going to affect what kind of trees

910
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: you're potentially going to be planning? Right, Let's say like oaks.

911
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: You know, a tree that takes a long time to

912
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: produce food. So I know there's different versions of oaks

913
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: that you know, some some produce acorns earlier as opposed

914
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: to a twenty five year stand. Yeah. Yeah, um, I

915
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: think that we will try to still be making decisions

916
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: with the long term and view, even if we're not

917
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be the ones benefiting from it. I still think,

918
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, you always here, when's the best time to

919
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: plant tree? You know, yesterday or today? Um, even if

920
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm not going to benefit from a great big oak

921
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: dropping acorns, you know, we're still trying to set the

922
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: foundation for this place to be really special, whether it's

923
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: five years from an hour or fifty years from now.

924
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to say that we're doing things that will

925
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: be good for for any timeline. So so yeah, I

926
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: think next year I will definitely be looking at short

927
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: term mass producers, so some quick growing you know, apple

928
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: trees or things like that, or where I've even looked

929
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: at getting some that are already pretty well grown. You

930
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: can move in some big ones and get them, you know,

931
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: get a big hole dug and transplanted with equipment. Um,

932
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: maybe they'll the opportunity to try a couple of a

933
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: couple of things like that, but yes, we'll mostly have

934
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: to be planting mass trees or whatever kind tree, knowing

935
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: that it will be years and years and years and

936
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: years before it'll produce food or any really significant wildlife value. Um.

937
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: But we're just gonna balance that with projects that do

938
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: have immediate impact. So we'll be doing some things that

939
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: will be long place, that will be for the future folks,

940
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: and there'll be some things that are immediate place, like

941
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: simply planning a food plot. That's something that's gonna help

942
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: us today. So we had to do some stuff like that. UM.

943
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: So it's kind of that balancing act, trying to fare

944
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: out what's going to be good in the long term,

945
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna help us now. So I know that. UM.

946
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: You know when when people get into a scenario like

947
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: you guys, and they start doing this, this habitat work.

948
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, some habitat work overlaps for different species, Like

949
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: if I plant, if I plan in a CRP field,

950
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be good for the deer, but it's

951
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: also going to potentially be good for you know, some

952
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: other upland birds, pollinators, whatever. Did you guys sit down

953
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: and have a conversation Like, I'm a deer hunter, so

954
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: the habitat is going to be deer first and turkey second,

955
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: and you know pheasants third or whatever, or because you know,

956
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: if you have a priority of species, it may it

957
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: may help you determine what habitat project that you want

958
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: to do. And let's say, if you plant trees, it

959
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: may not be good. And this is all hypothetical, of course,

960
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: if you plant if you plant trees, it may not

961
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: be good for the pheasant population, or if you plant

962
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: more crp uh, it may still remain wide open. Right,

963
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: we have not set an absolute prioritized list of species

964
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: um but we have kind of set the high level goal. Now,

965
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: again we haven't fegared out how to quantify this, but

966
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: we want to manage for biodiversity and native wildlife and

967
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: plant life while also putting a priority on deer hunting.

968
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: So so can we bring those two things together. So

969
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about deer hunting, which is the main

970
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: type of hunting. Right, We'll turkey hunt, we'll do some

971
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: small game hunting, but the main thing is gonna be deer.

972
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: So everything always passes through that filter because that requires

973
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: the most strategy around it, putting things in specific places,

974
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: organizing them in a certain way, putting this in the front,

975
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: and this in the back or things like that that

976
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: will matter from a deer perspective. But like you said,

977
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: we can then also think about, okay, what are the

978
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: types of habitat that all these other species need. And

979
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: then you can think about, okay, where how can we

980
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: get those types of habitat in places that it helps

981
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the deer hunting while also still managing these all all

982
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the presence of all these other species. So, for example,

983
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: there is the goal of doing something on this farm

984
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: to promote pollinator life. Right they need flowers, they need

985
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: high quality food sources, and and pollinators are struggling across

986
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: the nation right now. There's a lot of issues of insects, bees, butterflies,

987
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: um populations plummeting. So I knew we wanted to go

988
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: into this and think about ways we can help pollinators

989
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: on this property now. At the same time, when I

990
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: look at the farm from a deer hunting perspective, right now,

991
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: I can see there's two big old fields that are

992
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: in the front of the property, closest to the road.

993
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: I call this spot the panhandle. You can't get in

994
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: or out of the farm without walking through the two fields.

995
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: This is narrow strip of land that approaches the road

996
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: that's the only access points, the only only road furnish,

997
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: so I know I have to come in and out

998
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: every single time I hunt the property. Because of that,

999
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: it would be really hard to plant any kind of

1000
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: deer food up in those fields, like a big food

1001
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: plot or something without spooking deer all the time because

1002
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: you'd always be walking within like fifty yards of them.

1003
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: So this was a big flashing light to me, like, hey,

1004
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: here's ten acres that you can't do much from a

1005
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: strategic deer hunting perspective, but it's an open field. This

1006
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: is a perfect spot you could do a pollinator focus

1007
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: area that won't damage your hunting, but it will provide

1008
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: great habitat for all sorts of creatures, especially pollinators and birds.

1009
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: And it's in the place that if it's both goals,

1010
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: So like, that's a great example of how I'm trying

1011
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: to do these two things and pass them through the

1012
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: lens of the filter of hunting. Um There'll be other

1013
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: spots on the farm where it is a great spot

1014
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: for a hunting focus, for a deer focus. So instead

1015
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: of having a whole field with nothing but pollinator blends

1016
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: and wild grasses, I will put in a focused food

1017
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: source like a food plot. Um. There's another challenging situation

1018
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: where there's one corner of the farm where there's really

1019
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: interesting ridge system. In this ridge system, there's a bunch

1020
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: of grasses, cedars, autumule of trees, oak trees. It is

1021
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: a dynamite hunting spot. Like it's a perfect transitionary. Coming

1022
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: out of the swamp, you get into this kind of scattered,

1023
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: patchy cover. It's just tore up with old rubs and scrapes,

1024
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna kill buck there. I think, if I'm

1025
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna if I'm gonna kill a buck on this farm,

1026
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: that's probably the best spot, the most likely spot it

1027
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: could happen. But at the same time, we brought in

1028
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: an ecologist, um, a state biologist here in Michigan, and

1029
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: he looked at that area and he saw that it

1030
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: was a native It was actually a remnant prairie ecosystem

1031
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: from hundreds and hundreds of years ago. He said, there's

1032
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: species here that don't exist anywhere else in the county.

1033
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: And he was he was floored. He was so excited.

1034
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: He said, this was this is what it used to

1035
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: be like all over the place. But everyone came in

1036
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: and Gray's did or tilted under or burned it or

1037
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: paved over it. And there's there's no spots like this

1038
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: left anywhere. This is such a special thing. And he said,

1039
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: you've got to manage it to restore this native prairie ecosystem.

1040
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: To do that, he said, you gotta rip out the cedars,

1041
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: you gotta rip out the autumn off, you gotta rip

1042
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: out the trees, you gotta burn it all. And I'm thinking,

1043
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, I would You would completely destroy what

1044
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: is our best deer hunting habitat in the farm if

1045
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: we did that. So that's the kind of dilemma I'm

1046
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: faced with, which is how do I manage these two

1047
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: different sets of goals? And I don't think we're ever

1048
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna I think what I'm learning is that we're never

1049
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: going to hit any one of these things perfectly in

1050
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: this situation because I'm not focused tent just on deer.

1051
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be perfect for deer and deer hunting.

1052
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to manage this place one thousand

1053
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: percent just for native wildlife or native plant life in

1054
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: prairie ecosystems. So this isn't gonna be perfect in that situation,

1055
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to do a little for both

1056
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: in a way that can benefit both in some way.

1057
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: So we still haven't decided how exactly we're going to

1058
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: manage this specific example, but I think there's a way

1059
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: I can do some things to benefit that praier ecosystem

1060
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: while still preserving the hunting quality there. And I think

1061
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: that's the same type of example on the sea in

1062
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: multiple different regions of this property as we go through it,

1063
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: um and and and how it's going to play out

1064
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: in each one, I don't know yet, but but that

1065
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: is the type of mental gymnastics I'm working through right now.

1066
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: Right and so we brought, you know, to just to

1067
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of expand off that We've brought in a number

1068
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: of different people, and we're going to continue bringing a

1069
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: number of different people who can give us these different

1070
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: perspectives on it. So we brought in a few people

1071
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: that look at a farm like very much from a

1072
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: deer hunting perspective. So Jake Linger is like a white

1073
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: tail habitat consultant. We brought in Jeff Sturgis, who's obviously

1074
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: a white tail habitat consultant. Um. Then we brought in

1075
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: this guy named dan Z who's a state ecologist, and

1076
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: we brought in um Like I mentioned Marcus who was

1077
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: from the NRCS, and we brought in uh Bench Lanker

1078
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: who is an apiarist and so he's looking at the

1079
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: habitat from a b perspective. We brought in a burder

1080
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: this guy, and Pat Hogan who looks at the place

1081
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: from what the birds need. UM. This offseason, when we

1082
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: have more time, we're gonna bring in a lot more

1083
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: people with diverse perspectives. And so when you get all

1084
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: these different ideas from all these different people that look

1085
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: at the same six or four acres through very different lenses,

1086
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna put on a very different set

1087
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: of glasses and look at this place and tell me something.

1088
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: And and then I just have to kind of try

1089
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: to take a little bit from each person and see

1090
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: if we can make something that all together is um

1091
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: cohesive but still in the end be able to hunt

1092
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: it well too. Yeah, you know, talking about secondary species

1093
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: like white tails, I mean setting aside white tails in Turkey, right,

1094
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: those are like the two main hunted species like in

1095
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: the eastern part of the United States. But have you

1096
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: put any thought into a secondary species like what not

1097
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: necessarily maybe just hunting, but what you would like to

1098
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: see running around on that farm. I mean, what we'd

1099
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: like to see is just about every mammal species that

1100
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: lives in south central or central Michigan UM being present

1101
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: on that farm. That would be a really cool thing.

1102
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: So if you could have all the main wildlife this

1103
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: should be in this area of Michigan present, that would

1104
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: be a win. Um. We of course can't have all

1105
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: bird life, but it would be really cool to see

1106
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: some upland wildlife again. So pheasants are are kind of

1107
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: clinging on and little patches here and there in central Michigan.

1108
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: It'd be cool to see them show up again. UM.

1109
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's possible, but I do know

1110
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: in this general region there are some restoration efforts underway,

1111
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: so that's something to consider. Um, we're trying to get

1112
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: a baseline idea of of what the mammal and bird

1113
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: life is right now. So I can't remember what the numbers,

1114
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: but something like ten or eleven different mammal species I've

1115
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: either seen in person or got pictures of, and then

1116
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: we've tracked twenties six different bird species so far. So

1117
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna track that and and see what that trajectory

1118
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: is over the coming you know, months and years. Um.

1119
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: So I've got those lists going to try to just

1120
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: see what the trend is. UM. That's really cool that

1121
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: you're you're documenting this on a on a very detailed scale,

1122
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: like how many you said, twenty six different bird species? Yeah,

1123
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: the first day we went out with documented twenty two.

1124
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: That was the beginning of August, and since then of

1125
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: have spotted four others specs. Okay, so you're you're sitting

1126
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: there and you're calculating, so basically, how how are you

1127
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: going to see if your habitat is working, if there's

1128
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: more of the current species, or if there's additional species.

1129
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: I think that show up. I think it should be

1130
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. But again I don't really

1131
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: know how to fully quantify that. I can quantify how

1132
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: many new species, right, I can tell you that, you know,

1133
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: in early August two thousand nineteen, we spotted twenty two

1134
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: bird species on this day. We could show up next

1135
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: year on the same day in August and we could

1136
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: see how many you know, how many different species per day?

1137
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: Do you see? That might be a way to quantify it,

1138
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: and so do like a survey handful of times a

1139
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: year and see how that trends. UM. Seeing the overall

1140
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: number of different species trending up would probably indicative of UM,

1141
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: indicative of a positive direction. But how you can I

1142
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: don't know how to quantify the actual overall number or

1143
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: density of this kind of wildlife, you know, like I

1144
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: don't know how I can go out on this farm

1145
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: and tell you that we have more birds than we

1146
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: had a year ago in general, other than by those

1147
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: couple of things I said, or the same thing with bugs. UM,

1148
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be a little bit subjective. It's

1149
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a little bit you know. We've

1150
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: tried to document very well what this place looks and

1151
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: feels like at the beginning, and then hopefully we can

1152
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: come back towards the end of the project and get

1153
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: an idea of how it looks and feels and what

1154
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: you see and what you experience out there, and hopefully

1155
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: it feels and looks and UM plays out very differently,

1156
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: and that would be hopefully in the observations of wildlife

1157
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: and the documentation of bird life, in the diversity of

1158
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: plant life species in certain places and the adherence to

1159
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: what certain types of ecosystems should be like. So in

1160
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: our wetland, you know, in a perfect world, hopefully we're

1161
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: able to remove some of the invasive species that are

1162
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: in there. And if we're able to do that, that

1163
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: would increase the amount of standing water that's left in

1164
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: this area, which maybe would lead to more ducks maybe

1165
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: using the area, or different things like that. So hopefully

1166
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: each one of these little zones will be able to

1167
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: see a positive direction to so that native prairie area,

1168
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be able to see that be have even

1169
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: more diversity of of remnant prairie species. UM In some

1170
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: of these big old open fields, hopefully we'll go from

1171
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: just having like two species of plants in a square

1172
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: meter to ten species of plants in a square meter. UM.

1173
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: Those types of smaller scale goals or or observations, I

1174
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: think we'll probably start telling us that we're moving in

1175
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: the right direction. Okay, So with all that said, the

1176
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: habitat are great, right, You're still a deer hunter at heart.

1177
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Are you going to try to let the let nature

1178
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: do most of the work and feeding the white tails

1179
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: or how have you guys made the decision um too

1180
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: on this st acres. How much be designated to your

1181
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: to your standard food plot. Yeah, so we definitely decided

1182
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: that additional food is necessary. Um. These old fields are

1183
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: mostly invasive Mayor's tail, which is a junk weed. It

1184
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: provides almost no wildlife cover, almost no wildlife nutrition. Um,

1185
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: it's just kind of junk and deer aren't going to

1186
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: feed on it very much from what I understand. So

1187
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: we definitely wanted to have some supplemental food that would

1188
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: a help deer from a health perspective. But then absolutely

1189
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: not a shame to say it at all, like it's

1190
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: going to help us a big way in a hunting way,

1191
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: Like we need something that's going to move deer across

1192
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: the farm or to stay and hang out on our farm. Um,

1193
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: when they otherwise would not if we had nothing in there. Right,

1194
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: if we didn't, we'd have some cover. They would pass

1195
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: through for sure, but they'd be in and out and

1196
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: off to the neighbors very quickly. Um. And then a

1197
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: mature buck might never walk around in daylight in these

1198
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: spots if he's just gonna hang out in the in

1199
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: the cover. If there was one and then a dark

1200
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: head off to a neighbor in Cornfield or something. So

1201
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: I definitely want to get some food in this year.

1202
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: That was like the one project we had time to do. Basically,

1203
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: what the timeline looked like is an early August. In

1204
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: the first two weeks of August, we were able to

1205
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: get a camera cra out and we're able to document

1206
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: some of these tours. So we had the burder, we

1207
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: had the bi guy, we had a couple of colleges,

1208
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: we had the consultants come out with Steve come out,

1209
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: and so we got like the tours of the farm

1210
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: as it was. That got done the first two weeks

1211
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: and then we basically had like seven eight nine days

1212
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: after that to try to get some work done. That's

1213
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: not allow of time to get any kind of real

1214
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: work done, um, but we were able to get some

1215
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: food plots planted and we were able to get it

1216
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: set up to hunt decent for the first season. That's

1217
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: kind of all we were able to get done in

1218
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: that short amount of time. So yes, we planted probably

1219
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: an acre and a half two acres of food spread

1220
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: out across these six old fields in a strategic way

1221
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: that would hopefully keep the you're in the center of

1222
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: the farm um moving across the farm in a way

1223
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: that there'd be deer movement that we could see and hunt,

1224
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: but leaving gaps in certain spots that would allow us

1225
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: to get in and out to hunt them without spooking

1226
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: the deer. So that was kind of the whole gist

1227
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: with the food plots. How do we place them in

1228
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: these spots to do that? So they're narrow food plots,

1229
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: They're they're long and narrow food plots, and they're tucked

1230
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: into like the low hills and valleys and bowls in

1231
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: the terrain so that they're mostly visually hidden. UM. And

1232
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: they kind of extend out of the swampy cover and

1233
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: across these hills down the low spots on both sides

1234
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: of the swamp. So there's like a there's kind of

1235
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: it's almost like a road. There's like a winding road

1236
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: that goes along the east side of the swamp, and

1237
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: there's a winding road that goes on the west side

1238
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: of the swamp. Hopefully, depending on what the wind directions

1239
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: on any given day, you could hunt either side of

1240
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: the swamp. This is assuming it's not the rotten you're

1241
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: not going into the thick stuff. Yeah, Um, you could

1242
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: hunt on one side of the swamp or the other

1243
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: and be safe from a win perspective, and still see

1244
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: deer moving out utilizing those food plots for some portion

1245
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: of daylight, and then after dark hopefully they would move

1246
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: off to the neighbors farms where there's some egg. UM.

1247
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: That's the high level idea. UM had a hell of

1248
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: a time trying to get the food plots in just

1249
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think I alluded to We talked about

1250
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: some of this stuff this summer, but even once it

1251
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: got to the to the actual work on these plots

1252
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: here at the end of August, had some all sorts

1253
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: of equipment issues. Could not get We got a mower

1254
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: because we had to mow trails and had to mow

1255
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: these weeds down because there's some serious weed growth. UM.

1256
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: I had a hecko time trying to get the stupid

1257
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: mower to work. But we finally got that going. But

1258
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: that was like a whole day wasted just on the mower. UM.

1259
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: Then I had to try to figure out how to

1260
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: use a no till drill, which I mean, you know me,

1261
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: I struggle with equipment of any kind. I have no

1262
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: farming experience otherwise other than just like these little dinky

1263
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: food plots have been able to do here and there, um,

1264
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: and then this was like a serious piece of equipment.

1265
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: So that took a long time to get figured out,

1266
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: but but it did eventually get it figured out. So

1267
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: we were able to plant that with a no till drill.

1268
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: So that's cool because that's going to provide a lot

1269
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: of soil benefits that we're excited about for next year. Yeah. Um,

1270
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: But where we stand at the end of you know,

1271
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: that like ten day period, is we we got, like

1272
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: I said, like maybe an acre and have two acres

1273
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: of food. It's a it's a blend of oats and

1274
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: annual clovers and wheat and cereal rye and a bunch

1275
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: of different brassicas. So we're gonna have some early season attraction,

1276
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: We're hopefully gonna have some late season attraction, and we're

1277
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna have some species that will come back up next

1278
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 1: spring and smother out any weed competition. So what I'll

1279
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: be able to do at the end of next spring

1280
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: is coming. I'm just gonna have food plots to have

1281
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: green growth in them already and either crimp it, which

1282
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: will kill what's there, which is basically roll over it.

1283
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: With like a a big barrel of sorts and then

1284
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: it kind of pushes down the growth and they can

1285
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: come back in and drill in a new crop in

1286
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: the summer and hopefully not need to use herbicide, which

1287
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: is the goal. Um. So that's the food plus situation.

1288
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: And then the rest of that week or whatever it was,

1289
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:20,440
Speaker 1: we were prepping trees, trimming, shooting lanes, hanging trail cameras,

1290
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,520
Speaker 1: making mocks, grapes, uh, cutting trails, putting up ground blinds,

1291
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um And that that is

1292
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: essentially all we're able to get accomplished for that first season.

1293
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: Got you. So I hear that you've been busy, right,

1294
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: You've you've you have this project in mind. So what

1295
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: I what I think is, Okay, how much is this

1296
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: going to cost? Right? Do you have a budget that

1297
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: you're allotted to make this as realistic as possible or

1298
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: is it kind of anything goes type scenario? Uh, you know,

1299
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: we we sort of have a budget, but basically the

1300
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: budget is operate as if you were on a budget

1301
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: of your own. To me, so I'm trying to do

1302
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: this basically what I would do if this was not

1303
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: a company project, If this is just me. So, for example,

1304
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: we're borrowing all of our equipment other than we bought

1305
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: a mower. Otherwise, we're borrowing a UTV. We're borrowing a drill,

1306
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: which anyone can borrow drill, by the way, you can

1307
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: rent these things for most of your local NRCS offices.

1308
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: You can borrow a drill. You can rent a tractor,

1309
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: um from a lot of places. So we're borrowing the equipment. Um.

1310
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: We have paid for fertilizer and spray. UM. But I

1311
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 1: mean otherwise we're not using any big fancy equipment. We

1312
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: don't have a big, huge tractor. We don't have big

1313
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: huge implements other than like I said, the borrow drill. Um.

1314
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: We bought two tree stands and three ground blinds. You

1315
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: know that's a few hundred bucks there total. UM. I

1316
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: prepped all the rest of the trees for saddle hunting,

1317
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: so that costs nothing. UM. I bought tree pegs to

1318
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,679
Speaker 1: get up in the tree. Um. You know, I've got

1319
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: the cameras that would normally be running up there. UM.

1320
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's very it's very low key. It's

1321
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: basically just what I usually do on the properties. I'm

1322
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: usually hunting So while I haven't documented exactly what that costs,

1323
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean it is is very much, very minimalist to

1324
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: this point. Now, next year, when we start trying to

1325
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: do some more things, when we start trying to plant

1326
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: native grasses again, and when we start trying to you know,

1327
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: implement some of these different by trees, you know, that's

1328
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna cost some money to buy trees. Um,

1329
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: It's gonna maybe it's gonna cost money to buy seed. Um.

1330
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: We might be able to find a cost share program

1331
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: still with the government, and there's some other options we're

1332
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: still looking into it. So the main thing is that

1333
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find ways to make it as budget

1334
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: friendly as possible that that make this something that's within

1335
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: the reach of your normal, average, everyday person. If if

1336
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: I could do it on my own, minormal a world

1337
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: without this being a company project, then it fits the

1338
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: bill for this project. And that's the that's like the

1339
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: filter I've tried to pass every decision through. Gotcha, Okay,

1340
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: So now what I mean you guys, have you're done

1341
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 1: with the habitat projects for this year? Hunting season is here,

1342
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 1: and have you talked about number one who is going

1343
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: to hunt this property, and have you guys had that

1344
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 1: discussion about what is a shooter and how many does

1345
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: you plan on taking? Yeah, so this is where things

1346
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: become even more of like a uh, I don't know,

1347
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: interesting things become interesting, um because if I if this

1348
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: was just like my place, I would have a very

1349
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: specific way. I would be doing things in a very

1350
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: specific way. I'd be hunting things in a very specific

1351
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,919
Speaker 1: um idea on who would hunt it. So, for example,

1352
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: we would have gotten on with other projects at the

1353
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: end of August, and I would have left this property

1354
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: untouched until October one, Right, we always like to leave

1355
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: it off off you know, off grid for at least

1356
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: thirty days before hunting season. And then I'd be like

1357
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: really really really careful about every time I go in

1358
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: there during the hunting season and be just me. I

1359
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: would hunt just a couple of times here and there

1360
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: when the conditions are just right. Um, I'd be you know,

1361
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: just trying to kill mature buck and then a couple

1362
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: of dolls, depending on what the dope population is like.

1363
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: But we are doing all sorts of different things with

1364
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: this property because we're trying to not only manage it

1365
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: for different wildlife but also use it for different wildlife

1366
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 1: and for different people too. So for example, on September,

1367
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: right smack dab in the middle of my usual hands

1368
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: off period, opening day of squirrel hunting season came in

1369
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: and Steve and Janice showed up and hunted the property

1370
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: right in the middle of September, two weeks before opening day,

1371
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: walked all over the place, and so you can imagine

1372
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: like how paranoid and freak out that would make me.

1373
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: So I went with them, and I was cringing and struggling,

1374
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: but it was what it was. So we scirrel hunted

1375
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: at two weeks four opening day, which I've never ever

1376
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: done to one of my dear hunting properties in the past.

1377
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of thing that we're doing. Um.

1378
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,840
Speaker 1: And then there's also a bunch of different people that

1379
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: are gonna be coming out and hunting it. So um,

1380
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: we're still finalizing exactly who and when, but bringing out

1381
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: a somewhat new hunter in early October who's gonna come

1382
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: out that comes from like a research and ecology background,

1383
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: Who's gonna come out for a few days and hunt it. Um.

1384
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: Later in October, we have another person coming out and

1385
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: hunting it with me early November, another person is going

1386
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: to hunt it for a few days with me, and

1387
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: then mid November, my dad's gonna come for a couple

1388
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: of days, which would be really cool. Um. And then

1389
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: later in the year in December, going to bring in

1390
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: a couple more people, another new hunter, um. And I

1391
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 1: think Ryan Callahan for media will be out there. So

1392
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: so I will tell you, like being completely honest, I

1393
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: am stressed about how this place is going to hunt

1394
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: because that just seems like way too many people, way

1395
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: too much activity on a small property in Michigan, um right.

1396
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean I talk all the time about how I

1397
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: try to hunt the small properties I have access to,

1398
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: and like how so so so carefully I have to

1399
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: do things on it to even have a chance to

1400
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: see a mature buck. And you know I, you know I,

1401
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: It's it's not just me. It's not just me in

1402
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: this farm. There's other folks, those other goals, there's other

1403
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: things going on. So my task is to try to

1404
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: try to learn from that, to try to still give

1405
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: us as best of a chance as possible to still

1406
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe see a mature buck here and there, um, and

1407
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: to to document what happens, the good and the bad,

1408
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: I guess. Um, So yeah, man, I don't know what's

1409
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 1: going to happen. I I will tell you, like I'm

1410
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: stressed about it. I I know that one of the

1411
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: goals here, at least one of my personal goals. And

1412
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: internal like we talked like, yeah, we want to have

1413
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: great deer hunting. That has to be an important thing

1414
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: out here. And great deer hunting means having all age

1415
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: classes having mature bucks. Um. I've repeatedly stressed how challenging

1416
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: that's going to be, especially with all these other things

1417
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: going on, and um, and I just have to fight

1418
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: that battle and keep on trying to find a way

1419
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: that we balance those things. So so that's gonna be.

1420
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: That's gonna be. Like the store of this whole project though,

1421
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: was like, how can I figure out a way to

1422
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: to still have good hunting out here while we were

1423
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: doing all these other things while these different folks come

1424
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: out and check it out and give their perspectives. And UM,

1425
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: I love the idea of like using this property as

1426
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, sharing those proper people right being able to

1427
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: take out new hunters. I think that's awesome. But it's

1428
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's give and take. Everything's given take.

1429
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's gonna happen, like I do.

1430
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: I just it's very unknown. And here's the other thing.

1431
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: Like I told you last week, I think it was

1432
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: I did have cameras out there in the summer. Did

1433
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: not get any mature bucks on camera during the summer.

1434
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: I've had cameras running in the fall, you know, all

1435
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 1: three September I checked cameras on when me and Steve

1436
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: and Janice went out there for the squirrel hunt. Still

1437
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: not looking good. I did get one mature buck on camera.

1438
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: He showed up the night before the squirrel season, so

1439
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: he's probably yeah, he's probably gone now because the very

1440
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: next day after he showed up, we walked all other

1441
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: place and he got to remember it's not just me,

1442
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: Steve and Janice. It's also then like all these cameramen too.

1443
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: So every time you go out there with all these

1444
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: different hunters, it's it's double that because you've got these cameraman.

1445
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: Um so Godlee stressing me right out. But but it's great,

1446
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: but it's stressful. So one mature Bucks showed up on September.

1447
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: One set of pictures of him. He looks really big body,

1448
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: it's like a really big looking body deer, but not

1449
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 1: a whole lot going on. From an antler perspective, looked

1450
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: like maybe like a wide short time eight pointer or

1451
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: six pointer or something, but it was like a very

1452
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:06,839
Speaker 1: distant picture. Um, and that's it. So I do believe

1453
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: though that right we're in there so much in August,

1454
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: like we just blew everything out, like and every person

1455
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: that came through, right, they want to come see the swamp,

1456
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: they want to see this We honestly the ridge system,

1457
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: so just trekking all over the best stuff. So it's

1458
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: just a disaster from like a pressure on deer perspective.

1459
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: So I was not expecting any mature buck to stick

1460
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: around through all that kind of crap. But I do

1461
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: hope that, as with every little bit of me, I'm

1462
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: gonna try to keep all of our activity as safely

1463
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: located as possible so as to not disturb the deer

1464
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: too much. So I'm gonna try to keep all the

1465
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: early season stuff, you know, on the edge of the property.

1466
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try not to disturb this place. I'm not

1467
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: going to go into it unnecessarily ever, as much as

1468
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: I can control it. Um. So I do think by

1469
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: the time October rolls around and we get into the

1470
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: pre rut. There just has to be a mature buck

1471
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,440
Speaker 1: to pass that through here. The surrounding area is too good. Um.

1472
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: There's two neighbors that I know that have seen and

1473
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: hunted and hold out for big old deer. There's another

1474
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: new neighbor who I've chatted with who is interested in

1475
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: passing on young deer and excited to finally have an

1476
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. So they want better deer hunting,

1477
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: so they're on board. There's another landowner across the road

1478
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: who was like, really really really picky about what this

1479
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: guy shoots like it sounds like he's really hardcore. So

1480
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: there's too many people on board, and there's too good

1481
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: of like sanctuary cover. There's a bunch of swamp um.

1482
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,480
Speaker 1: There just has to be some old, big deer around there. Um.

1483
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: So I still have faith that once we get in

1484
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: the least to that rut time period, we'll get something

1485
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: good cruising through. I think the goal will be then

1486
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: to hopefully abill take advantage of that pre rut rut

1487
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: time period, and then the rest of the season is

1488
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: probably gonna be learning the farm, figuring out what our

1489
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: dough population is like, and what do we need to

1490
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: do from a management perspective there. UM originally was assuming

1491
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: there'd be a ton of deer out here and that

1492
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 1: we'd have to kill a lot of doughs. But after

1493
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: seeing trail camera pictures as Netra sitting out and scouting

1494
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: a couple of nights, I'm not seeing as many deer

1495
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: as I expected. Um, So maybe I was wrong. I'm

1496
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: going to kind of judge that throughout the hunting season,

1497
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna observe and um plan our doe harvest a

1498
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: little bit later. Um, and then I think next year,

1499
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: hopefully do a lot of our work earlier in the

1500
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: year so that once we get to August September, we

1501
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: can let the place calm down next year and it'll

1502
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: be a better situation. But I have very I have

1503
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. I'm nervous about it. Um. I

1504
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: don't know how we're going to manage all these different

1505
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: people and goals and things. But I suppose that's going

1506
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: to be what makes this thing interesting, right, And I

1507
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: think the cool thing about this is it's it's bringing

1508
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: back the joy of hunting because it's not necessarily so

1509
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: much about big bucks right now, right, I mean, do

1510
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: you do you feel that because you mentioned you you

1511
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: were a little nervous and stressed. But at the same time,

1512
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: I just feel we're able to do what we love

1513
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: now and just enjoy nature absolutely, And I think like

1514
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: I enjoy and I love seeing mature bucks. So that

1515
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: is definitely something that I want out there, and most

1516
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: deer hunters want, like we get a kick out of

1517
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: scene those. You get a different hunting experience when there's

1518
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: mature bucks on the landscape, So that's definitely something we want. Um.

1519
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is helping me enjoy

1520
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: different parts, so that's one part of it. But now,

1521
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: like I'm going out there and I'm noticing different birds,

1522
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: Like I've never paid attention to what the song birds

1523
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 1: were out there. Now I'm like, oh, that's a catbird,

1524
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: that's a indigo bunting, that's a such and such finch um,

1525
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: And that's been interesting. I'm recognizing bird calls. So the

1526
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: first time in my life, I actually know what trees are.

1527
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: I was not good at this. I did not know

1528
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: how to identify trees or weeds and different plants. Um.

1529
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm learning that stuff now. So that's adding a whole

1530
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: new color to my experience out that. That's fun. Um.

1531
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: I've never in my life paid attention to squirrels while

1532
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 1: driving around. Um And just the other day, I was driving,

1533
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: like two nights ago, I was driving in a spotted

1534
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: a squirrel in the yard and I jumped. So there's

1535
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: a squirrel. Never in my entire life, but I care

1536
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: about a squirrel. And now I'm paying attention to that

1537
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So so yeah, like looking at this

1538
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: place from like a much more diverse point of view

1539
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: has been interesting. It's forcing me to learn about new

1540
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: things and that is fun. Um. And so because I'm

1541
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: a dear nut because and you know it, because I

1542
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: had just obsessed over these things and get really excited

1543
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: about trying to find a mature buck. That is still

1544
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: something I'm gonna try to do out here. That is

1545
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: still something I'm gonna stress over, and that's still something

1546
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: that you know we're gonna be working through and figuring out.

1547
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I know I can step

1548
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 1: back and excuse me, got a get a little bit

1549
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: of air my stoffach there. Um. I know that I

1550
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: will be able to take joy out of sharing this

1551
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: place others too, So, like, I'm very excited to take

1552
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: my dad out for hunt out here. That's gonna be

1553
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: really a special experience. A couple of these other new

1554
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Hunters that we're gonna take out that is gonna be

1555
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: a really cool thing that I'll be able to get

1556
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of joy, of joy out of sharing this

1557
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: place with them, seeing their perspectives and experiences from it. Um.

1558
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's gonna be a lot of different things

1559
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 1: from this whole experience that will be that will be fun,

1560
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: that will be also challenging. And I think like that's

1561
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: the whole moral to the story for me, is everything

1562
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: about this project is going to be both fun and stressful,

1563
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: both you know, obvious and very complicated. Uh, It's it's

1564
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: always gonna be these dueling parts of the project. That's

1565
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing I think. And if I can somehow

1566
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,879
Speaker 1: figure out a way is is kind of the steward,

1567
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: the main person in charge of this place. If I

1568
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to balance all these different goals,

1569
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: all these different challenges, all these different ways of looking

1570
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: at it. If I can figure out some way to

1571
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,919
Speaker 1: balance it enough that we move everything in a generally

1572
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: positive direction, that's good. That's a great outcome, I would say,

1573
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: And um, you know, we'll find out step one of

1574
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: that becomes reality here in a couple of days when

1575
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: I go out for the first deer hunt. UM, got

1576
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. What's going to be the impact

1577
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: of the squirrel hunt? I would have thought if we

1578
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: didn't squirrel hunt it, and if we left it untouched

1579
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: from like August until October one, October five or whatever,

1580
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: it ends up being the first hunt out there. If

1581
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: we left it untouched for that long and came in

1582
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: on on that first hunt, eventually be you know, a

1583
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: lot of activity. I bet you there'd be a good

1584
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: chance the nice buckets step out. But now after going

1585
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: in there two weeks ago and hunting the crap out

1586
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: of it, I don't know so well. The thing about

1587
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: it is you may learn that what what kind of

1588
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: pressure actually impacts a farm because let's say there's no

1589
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: deer on it now, but next week they could It

1590
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: could just rebound, you know, like h throwing a rock

1591
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: in a water? Do you get all the ripples right?

1592
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: Over time those ripples disappear, and you know there's there's

1593
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: gonna well you'll see how how long what affect what

1594
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: pressure affects your farm for how long, which in many

1595
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: cases on other places I hunt, I've never been willing

1596
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: to risk major pressure and so I've never had to

1597
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 1: really see what that looks like. So this is a

1598
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's another opportunity to to learn and um

1599
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: and that that is always fun for me. So that's

1600
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: where we stand with the back forward you. I mean,

1601
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot to do. We there's there's so much,

1602
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: so many like high like we've got a lot of

1603
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: hot like pie in the sky aspirations for it that

1604
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 1: we just we just didn't have time to get going

1605
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: on much stuff, like I said, So a lot of

1606
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: the in depth habit at work is going to have

1607
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: to happen next year. But this year is all just learning.

1608
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: We did a little tiny bit of work. Now we're

1609
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna try to learn what this place is like during

1610
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: the hunting season and the next year it's gonna be

1611
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: getting to work. So that is where we're at, and uh,

1612
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: we'll see what are you? What are you? What are

1613
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: your what are your predictions? Dan? If you were to

1614
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: guess right now based off of the whole outline I

1615
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: just shared with you the situation as it stands right now. Um,

1616
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: first and foremost, do you think that someone of all

1617
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: these different people I mentioned who might be hunting the farm,

1618
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: do you think that somebody will kill a buck, a buck,

1619
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: any kind of buck. Oh yeah, I think I think

1620
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,560
Speaker 1: a buck will show up and someone will kill it. Um.

1621
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: Not sure what that's gonna be, you know, just question. Yeah,

1622
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I feel somebody's gonna somebody's because Mark Kenyon has a

1623
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: different you know, let's say, Ah, you're taking a new

1624
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: hunter out. I don't think you're gonna tell him no,

1625
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: you can't shoot that. No, right, so if a two

1626
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: year old walks out, they smoke a two year old, right,

1627
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And and yeah that in that whole

1628
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: we were that's a whole other things, like the idea

1629
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: that I'd like to try to have this place managed

1630
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: and in a something similar to a quality deer management

1631
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: type situation. At the same time though, Um, part of

1632
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: that does mean, like you just describe examples where you

1633
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: want to have new hunters come on and have a

1634
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: great experience. So yeah, like there's gonna be some young

1635
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: bucks killed. So I think something we'll learn now this

1636
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: too is can you get away with a young buck?

1637
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: Getting killed here and there and still protect most of

1638
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: the yearlings and two year olds and get some mature

1639
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: bucks in a couple of years. Um, that'll be interesting

1640
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: to see. But yes, and then your neighbors, right are

1641
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: you telling are you going to have a conversation with

1642
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 1: your neighbors about Hey, we uh you know, like we're

1643
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: going to really try to manage this, not only for

1644
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: a good ecosystem, right, but at the same time, we're

1645
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: going to manage for mature We're gonna try to manage

1646
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: for mature buck and then have new hunters come in

1647
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 1: and kill whatever they want, right. Yeah, I mean it's

1648
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: a it's a funky little balancing act we're gonna try

1649
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 1: to pull off mostly protect mature bucks, but also provide

1650
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: a positive experience for some other folks that don't have

1651
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: those same goals. Um, yeah, I don't know. Now, Well,

1652
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: kill the lucky spoon? Is the lucky spoon still on

1653
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: your butt from last year? That's what I want to know.

1654
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that it is not okay. Um,

1655
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: so much of my season is just set up for

1656
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 1: a lack of success as I start looking at it.

1657
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 1: I was just telling my wife this last night. I

1658
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if I don't even kill a

1659
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: single buck this year. Um because right my North Dakota

1660
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: hunt was a good chance that didn't pan out, and

1661
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: so much of my hunting on the back forty now

1662
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: is I'm kind of gonna be like a guide. There's

1663
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: so many different people now that we're taking out and

1664
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: it's fine, Like I'm not complaining about it. I'm excited

1665
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: about these opportunities to show people and to share this

1666
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: this place of these people. But it's gonna be really

1667
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: hard for me to have a high quality hunt when

1668
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: i'm you know, trying to figure out where to put

1669
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: this other person or where will this person feel comfortable.

1670
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: This person has to hunt of ground blind and they

1671
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 1: need someone sitting with them. Um. So I'm not only

1672
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: sixty four acres, yeah, of which you know, some of

1673
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: it's next to house, some of it's up by the road,

1674
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: um you know, so only so much of it really

1675
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: could produce a kill. Um So I think it's a

1676
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: low chance that I'll get a shot at mature buck

1677
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,719
Speaker 1: on that farm. There'll be like a couple of handful

1678
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: of days that I'll probably get to do it on

1679
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: my own. Do it the way I want to do

1680
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: it and have a chance. I'll have to get lucky. Um.

1681
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Then I'll have my main Michigan spots that I'll still

1682
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: get some hunts on, but not as many hunts because

1683
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I'll be split in time with the back forty um.

1684
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: And then my main out of state hunt trip is

1685
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: like a wilderness boundary waters hunt where we'll be lucky

1686
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: to see any deer, so I'm definitely not gonna shoot

1687
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: him a ture buck up there. I'm gonna shoot anything

1688
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I see this legal um. And then I've got a

1689
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: public land hunt in December, like a muzzloader hunt, which

1690
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: which I got a chance to choose something on that one.

1691
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: But that's a public land um hunt somewhere I've never

1692
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: been before and know nothing about yet. So the lucky

1693
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: the lucky clover, lucky spoon in a butt I don't

1694
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: think is going to pan out this year as far

1695
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: as bucks in the ground, probably just because of like

1696
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Speaker 1: the cards that I've that I've put in my own hand. Um.

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01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: But I think there'll be a lot of cool experiences,

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01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: which which is a good thing too. Right. Well, that's uh,

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Speaker 1: You're you've been put into a unique position. Mr Kenyan. Yes, yes,

1700
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: I have. So I'm gonna share the story that we

1701
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: go along and we'll see what happens. Are you willing

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01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: to follow along and critique me and encourage me as needed? Oh? Yeah, absolutely,

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01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: And if you I'll tell you what I was thinking

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,600
Speaker 1: about this. Um, we'll see what my rut produces. And

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01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: if my rut is another short one like what I

1706
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: had this year, you know, like a four day hunt,

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01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 1: I I may come up and do a late season

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01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: hunt with you somewhere. I'm not making any promises because

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01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,719
Speaker 1: it's all based off of how mad my wife is. Right,

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01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: so I've already drained part of her patient's tank with

1711
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,879
Speaker 1: my elk hunt. You know, I leave this upcoming Friday

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: for my South Dakota hunt, So that's gonna be drained,

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01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the tank is typically drained

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01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: dry by the time I'm done with uh, you know,

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01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: with the rut hunts and uh you know, it fills

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01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: a little back up. Then we got some trade shows

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01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: that I gotta go down to, so it takes almost

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01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: all summer to fill the tank back up. But if

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01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: it's if I still have something in the tank, maybe

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01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: I should come up to uh do a late season

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01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: hunt and shoot a doll. I was gonna say, I

1722
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: can't promise you any big bucks, but I can promise you.

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01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: I can promise you camaraderie and good food and a

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01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: good time. Cool. All right, buddy, I like the idea.

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01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Keep me posted, and uh, I think we should wrap

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01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: this one up and give you some time to prep

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01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: for that meal there hunt. Huh yeah, I need it,

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01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: all right, man, Thanks, and that's gonna do it for

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01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: this episode. Hopefully you enjoyed this one. I will just

1730
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: remind you where you can find all this back forty

1731
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about. If you go to the Meat

1732
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: Eater YouTube channel, that's where you're gonna see our new videos,

1733
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: the videos series itself, as well as a series of

1734
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: different how to videos that come out on the off

1735
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: weeks in between. You're also going to find out how

1736
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: to Kill a Buck YouTube series on their well as well,

1737
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: where Spencer, myself and Tony Peterson breakdown each different part

1738
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: of the hunting season and how we try to tackle

1739
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: a hunt for for mature buck at that time of year,

1740
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 1: looking at actual maps and discussing where we would hunt

1741
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: and how we would do it. You can find all

1742
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: of that in the YouTube channel. You can also go

1743
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: to the mediator dot com and go to the back

1744
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: forty page there and you can see maps of the property.

1745
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: You can see some additional details of descriptions of each

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01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: different zone of the property. You'll see how the articles

1747
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: were writing about it, more of the videos, and then

1748
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: any of these podcasts that are relevant to And finally,

1749
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: if you're not already following me on Instagram, you gotta

1750
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,640
Speaker 1: go do that. That is where I'm sharing all like

1751
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: the live up to date things that are going on

1752
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: Instagram stories. I'm gonna be posting throughout the hunting season,

1753
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 1: my first hunts in the back forty. It will all

1754
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: be shared right there first, so check it out. My

1755
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: handle is for addictively Wired to Hunt. Check it out.

1756
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: The best of luck on your hunts. If your season

1757
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: opens on the first, um, well, if it opens on

1758
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: the first, you've already started hunting, so hopefully that went

1759
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 1: well for you. Good luck this upcoming weekend and the

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01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: rest of the hunting season, and until we chat next time,

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Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt.