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Speaker 1: hands on, like, you know, what does this mean when

442
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 1: this happens? And that really started getting my mind going

443
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: into you know, this is bad, like what what we're

444
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: dealing with is bad? And but it never ever happened

445
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: in front of anybody. The kids didn't know. He never

446
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: even so much as looked sideways at them, raised his

447
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: voice to them. He's he is an amazing father, and

448
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: he's an amazing husband, an amazing person, but he alcohol

449
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: I just don't think goes well with his chemistry, makeup

450
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it alcohol makes me happy, Alcohol makes

451
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: him and a lot of people like angry. And I

452
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: noticed that a lot of people when they are drunk,

453
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: they sort of and you're you are not a drinker,

454
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: so you'll know this too. But don't you notice that

455
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: person that kind of comes for you when they're drunk.

456
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: You ever seen that?

457
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Now at this point, I have a bodyguard, so I

458
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: just say get him, get guy out of Mostly I

459
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 2: would see that emotionally, yes, yes, with family.

460
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: With family, yea, yes.

461
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: They come for you when they're drinking or drunk.

462
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: Then you're like, what do you really feel this way?

463
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 2: Like yeah, really resent or not like me, even though

464
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: I feel like we're close, Like right, where is that

465
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: rooted from? Because I don't know what it's like to

466
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: be drunk, so I don't know, yeah, to just have

467
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: a random emotion because of alcohol totally.

468
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like some people say they can only drink

469
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: tequila because tequila keeps them happy all night long, and

470
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: you know they can go but you know, like for instance,

471
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: my son and I always joke because we're so much alike.

472
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: But if we go to a restaurant, like in the

473
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 1: afternoon and have a late lunch and we each get

474
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: a blue Moon, that beer blue Moon, we both get

475
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: in the worst mood and we're both like grumpy, and

476
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I have the blue Moon grumpies,

477
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: like it's terrible. He's the same way, and so that

478
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: particular alcohol does that to me. It makes me agitated

479
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: and easily irritated. So we we got to a place

480
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty where, you know, we something really bad happened.

481
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: We had a horrible fight, and I decided that we

482
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: needed to separate, and the kids were all out of

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: to Avery was living on his own. Both my girls

484
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: were at the beach, and it was over July fourth,

485
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So I finally just basically said, you know,

486
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: it sounds so disrespectful, but like I kicked him out.

487
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I just knew that we were

488
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: going to a place that was very bad. And so

489
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: we stayed separated off and on for two years, and

490
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: then January seventeenth of twenty twenty one, right or twenty two,

491
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: he had arrested and I didn't even know he had

492
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: been arrested. We were across the street at our neighbors

493
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: having a bonfire, and we were walking back home across

494
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: the street, and he was there, and I think he

495
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: had gotten to that place where he was like so

496
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: worried that I would move on, so worried that I

497
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: would quote cheat, because we were still married, and you know,

498
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: nothing of the sort ever crossed my mind because I

499
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: was so in love with him, still still was still am,

500
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: but I just wanted him to change and just if

501
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: you'll just stop doing that, then we have such a

502
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: great life and family and marriage and we have money

503
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: and we're we're you know, we're great, Like why are

504
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: you deliberately risking such a beautiful family and marriage and

505
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: together we have seven kids and all that. So I

506
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: think he was really really worried that I was going

507
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: to move on, and so he was there. He shouldn't

508
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: have been there. He knows that it was after one am,

509
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean.

510
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: So nothing happens after exactly.

511
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: Right, And so one of my children who was with

512
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: me jumped out and started, you know, why are you here?

513
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: Because from that after we separated, I started talking to

514
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: them more and telling them more. I still didn't tell

515
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: them everything, but I just said, you know, we've had

516
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: a hard time. And they were shocked because they've never

517
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: seen that side of him ever. And so my child

518
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: called the police because you know, she was scared, and

519
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: police came and we were like, it's fine, now he's gone.

520
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: And I tried to text him, but I think his

521
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: phone it went in greens. Either he blocked me or

522
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: his phone died.

523
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: And about Android real quick to say, what quickly about

524
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: an Android phone could have done that?

525
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: He could have gotten super fashion and missing. Yeah, I

526
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: mean that's that would have caused me to go through

527
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: with the divorce. Yeah, But I couldn't get through to him.

528
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: I wanted to.

529
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to say that we called the police,

530
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: so you need to go back to your hotel and

531
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, stay away. I was very worried about him,

532
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: and so he came back a little bit later and

533
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: the police were there. They said, well, we'll just kind

534
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: of stay on your street whatever. They arrested him, and

535
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: so I woke up the next morning with all these

536
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: calls from him, all these calls from my brother, different people.

537
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea that he had been arrested. And

538
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: so I called a friend of ours and I said,

539
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: you need to come up from Birmingham, get him out

540
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: of jail, get him home safely, and we'll go from there.

541
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: You know. So about two or three months later he

542
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: texted me and said, everybody says, well, let me back up.

543
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: So during this time, I had started writing this record,

544
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you, as you know, the artists start

545
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: a year or two before, especially if you're going to

546
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: try to ride everything, which I do, so it's a

547
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: long process leaning up to it. I had been writing

548
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: all these songs that were just really really really country

549
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: and really sad and very like George and Tammy and

550
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: two story House kind of songs. And then when that happened,

551
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: that was like the lowest of lows because his whole

552
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: family was mad at me, his kids, his mom, his sister,

553
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: because everybody thought I had him arrested, which I did not,

554
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: and then everybody thought that I was putting it out

555
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: in the press, which I did not. I didn't say

556
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: a word. We turned off all comments on Instagram and

557
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter, and so a couple months later he

558
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: texted me and said, everybody says that I shouldn't talk

559
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: to you. I shouldn't take this chance. But you are

560
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: still my wife, you know, And that's kind of all

561
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: he said. And that just like broke my heart because

562
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I was missing him so bad. And I think we

563
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: both knew that we were meant to be together and

564
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: we should be together, but we both knew that there

565
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: was a serious problem. And he started realizing, I've got

566
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: a serious problem, and I'm going to lose everybody if

567
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't get this figured out, if I don't change.

568
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: He hit his bottom. That was his body someone to

569
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: have to change.

570
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: My mom an example, she ended up, you know, dying

571
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: in her forties because she was an addict, and but

572
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, she would we would check her into rehabs,

573
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: but she wasn't at her bottom and she would be

574
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: like I can. But it took her hitting her bottom

575
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: and tragically she died. But she was never going to

576
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: get better until she had the point to go, I

577
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: have to get better. Yeah, And it feels like that

578
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: maybe was that for him to go I have to

579
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: get better now.

580
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so sorry to hear that.

581
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's yeah.

582
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: I mean you can relate, so I don't mind talking

583
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 2: about it with you. So it's a body. He hit

584
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: a place that actually was bad but made him want

585
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: to achieve a more healthier version for him and for you.

586
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Because he had always you know, he had grown up

587
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: in that southern like we have to look great, and

588
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that matters, is how we look

589
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: as a family and what image we project. And so

590
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: following the arrest and having to be in the court

591
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: system and all that and deal with that, and I

592
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: did not press charges. I mean, I didn't want him

593
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: to anything else to happen in that regard, and but

594
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: he was ordered to do like this class and it

595
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: was all on zoom. He told me, he said, I

596
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: thought I would go in there and just be like,

597
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous.

598
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm not like these people like clock in get through it, yeah,

599
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: not really relate or.

600
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: Not like yeah, that's not me.

601
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm you know. And he said that he realized that

602
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: he was one of the worst ones in there, and

603
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that's what, like, the arrest was his bottom,

604
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: but then that was his real bottom because that humiliated him,

605
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: but in the best way possible because you and then

606
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm getting arrested was the best thing that

607
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: ever happened to me, because obviously you would hate every

608
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: second of that and eighteen hours you know, spent in jail,

609
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: and you would just never, you know, want to go

610
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: through anything like that again. So he he started asking me,

611
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: would you go to counseling, And at first I was

612
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: saying no, because every time we had tried counseling, he

613
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't be honest, and he would look at the therapist

614
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: and be like, see, see this is what she does.

615
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: You know she's so it was always a waste. And

616
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: so he agreed to do that and agreed to get

617
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: his own therapists and then pay for my therapist and

618
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: pay for everything for me. And there were some you know, major,

619
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: major things that he did for me that showed me

620
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: that he really did, you know, love me and care

621
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: about me, and care about the kids, and obviously they're

622
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: his kids. I mean. So he started therapy, I started therapy.

623
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: We started therapy together, and for the for a year

624
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: at least, he was renting a house up here, just

625
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: five minutes away. We would do our therapy and then

626
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: maybe meet for dinner and just kind of slowly and

627
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna let the therapist guide me as far as.

628
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: What yours or y'all's but both.

629
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: You know. And then I made him come to therapy

630
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: with me, and then I went to therapy with him

631
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure he was telling his

632
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: therapist the truth. You know, you can you can go

633
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to therapy all you want, but if you're sitting there lying,

634
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's no use because they're not going to

635
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: be able to really help you. And I think after

636
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: doing that class that he had to do, he was

637
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: no longer embarrassed about talking about it. He got accustomed

638
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: to it. And that thing lasted almost a year, So

639
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: that was really good for him. And it's great to

640
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: come clean, you know. It's like for me, I always

641
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's the best feeling in the world to

642
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: apologize or admit that you were wrong. I think that's

643
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: the best feeling in the world. And I think he

644
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: feels that way too. So right after the arrest, I

645
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: met with my Ideas and Sean McConnell and I was

646
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: going to write with him for the first time. I

647
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: sat there and I said, well, I want to write

648
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: a song about pride, about because that's my husband's issue

649
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: is he's so prideful. He was raised to be prideful.

650
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: And so I told him the whole story about the arrest.

651
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: I was crying, and you know, it was like this

652
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean. And so every writing appointment would start off

653
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: with me telling them for forty five minutes what's been

654
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: going on. Every co writer would be like wow, whoa like?

655
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: And then we would start writing. So we wrote Pride

656
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: and that there's always a center song for me on

657
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: every album, and like Born to Fly was a center song,

658
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Said's in the Bucket was a center song for that album.

659
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: I knew that this was the center song. This was

660
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: going to be the song that we based the whole

661
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: record off of. And where does Pride go? And so

662
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: now that the album is coming out, it's so we've

663
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: been in therapy for a year and a half and

664
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: we've been back together, living together since November, and so

665
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: we will be in therapy till we die. And it's

666
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: it's a miraculous change. And obviously it doesn't Statistically that

667
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: almost never happens, you know, It's it's very rare to

668
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: end up where we are now. But I knew that

669
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: there's a song on there called Mask that I knew

670
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: that Jay was wearing a mask, and then if he

671
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: would just take that mask off and be feel free

672
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: and vulnerable enough to just be who he is and

673
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: not have to worry about what people think of him.

674
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: That that would help him so much, and that would

675
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: have helped our marriage so much and saved us a

676
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: lot of heartache. So the song Pride, I don't know

677
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: if you want to listen.

678
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: To it, I'll listen to or about to play it.

679
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll play it, and then after we play it,

680
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: then I'll tell you what I had great talk to

681
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: Jay about before we released it.

682
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna play Pride. This is Sarah Evans. By

683
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: the way, the song, this song is there, but the

684
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: whole record comes out in June, the whole body of work. Yes,

685
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: so here's Pride from Sarah Evans. Will come back with

686
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Sarah in just a second. Okay, that was Pride from

687
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: Sarah Evans. Okay, now we've heard the song where do

688
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: We Go?

689
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 3: Well?

690
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: And I asked Jay, because you know, Pride was written

691
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: two years ago. I wrote every song but one on

692
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: this record, so the whole album is just you know,

693
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: about about our journey. But I said, if you want

694
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: me to, I will change it to third person and

695
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: make it like a story song.

696
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: So maybe he didn't feel like, I don't know, attacked

697
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: or defensive.

698
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: Defensive, embarrassed sure tat all of it, you know, And

699
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: he said, absolutely not. You're not changing one word on

700
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: the song. You don't need to worry about me because

701
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: this is the truth, and it's a song that you

702
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: wrote and probably the best song you've ever written. And

703
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: everything about this album, this project, your podcast, everything is

704
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: needs to be honest. And he said, you know, how

705
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: can I truly continue to get better and be a

706
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: better man if I were to say, yeah, turn that

707
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: song into third person so that I don't have to

708
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: be embarrassed? You know, that's not doing the true work,

709
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: you know.

710
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: Because it sounds like he learned accountability, and I've had

711
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: to learn accountability in different ways too. I have my

712
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: own therapist, and my wife and I go to therapy

713
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: because we're both such we need to not even get

714
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: ahead of it.

715
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: We just need to have.

716
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Maintenance, right, and accountability and a big part of my

717
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: life is a big thing that I've had to learn,

718
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: not career wise because I got all the accountability there,

719
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: but personally. And it sounds like that was a big,

720
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: big understanding realization for him.

721
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: Yes, because people is struggle, I think, and not that

722
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: this is your reason for needing accountability, but every human

723
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: being in the world is a narcissist to a degree,

724
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, because we all look out for ourselves and

725
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: we all like, that's my main goal in life is

726
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: to not be a narcissist. And that's what I was

727
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: talking about earlier about, you know, being famous and feeling

728
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: that guilt like why why should people revere me when

729
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm just a farm kid from Missouri. But so I

730
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: want to always make sure that I remember it's about

731
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: the music. It's people don't know me, you know. They

732
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: just love the music, and that's what I want. They

733
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: love the product that I'm putting out there. But people

734
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: who struggle in any way, shape or form with narcissism,

735
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: which could be a barely or a full blown, you know,

736
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: psychopathic narcissist. It's hard to take accountability and say you're

737
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: wrong because admitting you're wrong is to say you were right,

738
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: and that's just kind of possible for some people to no,

739
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm always right. I'm And I also think Jay's need

740
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: to control everything is a you know, it's kind of

741
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: like when when someone has an eating disorder. It's really

742
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: more about control, like having control in your life, and

743
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: he needs that a lot. That's what we're working on

744
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: in therapy. And I don't know if y'all do this,

745
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: but we only talk about therapy things in therapy and

746
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: then we leave it there and we try not to

747
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: talk about it later.

748
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

749
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: So, and that's a weird thing for us at first

750
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: because we hadn't I'd never even really been on a couple, like,

751
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: I had never been engaged, never lived with anybody, never

752
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: told anybody I love them because I was never told

753
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: that growing up. And so my wife, I met her

754
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: when I was thirty nine, I was older to be married,

755
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: and we got married, and so I'd never I've been

756
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: going to therapy forever, but I've never been to therapy

757
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: with somebody else. Hold new experience. There's a whole level

758
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: of respect you have to have for other people in

759
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: the room that I don't naturally use day to day

760
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: because we're just living our lives bouncing around, right. But

761
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: in that room, we would go through things and then

762
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: we'd start talking about in the car and we made

763
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: the rule for twenty four hours, we're not even if

764
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: he says, here's homework for you two for twenty four hours.

765
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: We're not going to even mention even the homework if

766
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: he gives it to us, Yes, because we need that

767
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: separation and I and for us that was so beneficial

768
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: to us going to therapy.

769
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Together, because when you leave therapy, you're pissed, you're triggered,

770
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: you're triggered.

771
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: You're you're supposed to be. That's what that room's for,

772
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: that's right.

773
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, we try not to talk about it

774
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: all until you know, Wednesday. Wednesday's our therapy day. And

775
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: so I kind of I'm a woman, so I can

776
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: make a list in my head and remember it, you know,

777
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: of all the things that I want to talk about,

778
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: because therapy is triggering me a ton, because it's bringing

779
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: up all the stuff that I was too afraid to

780
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: talk about, you know. And I would worry leaving therapy,

781
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,240
Speaker 1: like he's going to be mad because I brought this up.

782
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: Now I don't have that fear at all, and I

783
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: have no fear at all whatsoever of him, And so

784
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: I think he is also so relieved that we're finally

785
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: getting help and that we are normal, and part of

786
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: helping him is me being normal too, though like you

787
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: talked about my codependency, and so my therapy is teaching me.

788
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: You know, why would you believe that's okay for anybody

789
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: to treat you like that? And you know, naming the

790
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: reasons because you know, my my mom she was not

791
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: abusive in any way at all, except she just didn't

792
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: allow us to speak our emotions. There we're too busy,

793
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: we're farming.

794
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: And probably she didn't learn how to speak her emotions.

795
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: She didn't, right, I mean, it wasn't that she was

796
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: like I'm going to shut him down. She's living the

797
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: model that she was taught.

798
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, she couldn't say I love you, you know, until

799
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: we were older. I think that's our parents' generation. I mean,

800
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: one day I would be like, how come you never

801
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: say I love you too? And my mom is so funny.

802
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean she's a comedian and she would you know,

803
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: she would say I love me too, like joking, but

804
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: it would hurt my feelings. Yeah, you know. So yeah,

805
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: we've you know, and I'm sure I'm I'm I mean

806
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: my goal with children has been so like to make

807
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: them feel loved no matter what, and make them like

808
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: every time they walk in the room, I smile and I,

809
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, genuinely just they're just amazing people. And that's

810
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: the best thing I've ever done in my life is

811
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: those kids. And but and Audrey's in the video for

812
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: Pride by the Way You're Going to Die. She looks

813
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: just like me. She's playing younger me, And so the

814
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: video does like these parts where she's walking in and

815
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm walking in it, and it's like the same person.

816
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: And the video is great too because it's it's a

817
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: very male dominated world. It takes place in a strip

818
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: club and it's like I used to be a stripper

819
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: and I'm watching my younger self and like why did

820
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: you go down that road? Why did you make those decisions?

821
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, So that the video's incredible. But anyway, the

822
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: rest of the album as well, is our journey. So

823
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I wrote the song called Unbroke, and I called my

824
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: middle daughter and I said, is this dumb? And because

825
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: I started thinking about like the studio is so dangerous

826
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: for me?

827
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all, it's all the next time I'm wearing

828
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: like yeah, come in and like padded with those bubbles

829
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: on you. Yeah.

830
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: So I said, is this dumb? Because I started thinking

831
00:42:53,640 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: about generational problems and issues, and so the course says,

832
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: she hurt you, you hurt me. We hurt all of

833
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: them in one feel sweet, we all went down like Domino's. Yeah,

834
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: nobody's heart gets out unbroke, meaning like you know, when

835
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: you are doing something that's screwing up a dynamic and

836
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: a family, or you're choosing addiction, or you're choosing abuse,

837
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: or you're choosing you know, to gamble or whatever you're doing,

838
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: like nobody in your sphere is going to get out

839
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 1: of that unbroke. Well, we decided to name the album

840
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: unbroke because we're all back together now. You know, we've

841
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: had so many conversations between him and the kids and

842
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, me and his kids, and that we are.

843
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: We do feel unbroke, and I'm so grateful to God

844
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: for that. But then there's another song called I Want

845
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to Be Wrong that I just cried for eight hours

846
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: while we were trying to write it because it's me

847
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: saying I want to be wrong about you. I want

848
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, so it's just starting.

849
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting way to express that emotion.

850
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to be wrong about them, like.

851
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: I never want to be wrong. Yeah, it's crazy.

852
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: Same but I did want to be wrong about him

853
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: because of me.

854
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: That's a really clever way to express that emotion.

855
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, when I leave, you listen to it and

856
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: you'll cry. It is so sad. It's just I mean,

857
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: relationships are so difficult. And I never ever ever thought, see,

858
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: people are going to think that I said this is

859
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: what people are going to think that I said I

860
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: was in an abusive marriage. We went to therapy and

861
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: boom more magically fine, and we're back together. And that

862
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: is the furthest from the truth.

863
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: And I think people will a bit be only because

864
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: people don't have nuance anymore, Like we don't have the

865
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: capacity to understand nuance being human life, political life. So yes,

866
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: I do think, but that's not the case.

867
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's not the case with your story totally.

868
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: You can't. I mean, the world is so weird right

869
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: now that it can't even be satorical, you know, like

870
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: everything is.

871
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: You're canceled.

872
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: If I do any sort of out there and it goes,

873
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: it's a wrong way canceled. So you know what it does,

874
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: It makes you not really do it as much anymore,

875
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: which then hurts everything across the board.

876
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's control, and that's what we don't want.

877
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: We don't want to be controlled with what we say.

878
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: And I don't want people to be so black and

879
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: white when they hear my story Because I just said

880
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: this yesterday, I say this every day practically, that it's nuanced.

881
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just you know, if my husband

882
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: ever did that, I'd be gone. You know, no, you wouldn't,

883
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: and you might say you would, but like it takes

884
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, years of building a family, in a marriage

885
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: and a love and then you realize, like something's wrong,

886
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: and so people are going to criticize me for staying together.

887
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: But this is my individual story. People don't know the

888
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: ins and outs. I find it hilarious when people, you

889
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: know comment like, well it's because he, you know she,

890
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we've never met. You don't know anything

891
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: about this situation other than what I've said publicly, So

892
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: you can't draw anything from that other than what I've said.

893
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: Oh they can, though, but you will.

894
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Bobby cast will be right back.

895
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: This is the Bobby cast in real life.

896
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: A lot of times manifest realization because once it happens

897
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: to you and it becomes your life and you then

898
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: you realize, you know.

899
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: Maybe I was wrong about what I would or wouldn't

900
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: do right.

901
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: And it's it's you know, anytime that my I gained

902
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: perspective on things, it's never because I wanted to. Perspective

903
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: only gain through hard times. It's not like something easy

904
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: and fun happens where you're super successful and you're like,

905
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: I got all this perspective. Now, no, no, that was easy.

906
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: You don't want you don't gain a very valuable tool,

907
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: which is perspective, which is empathy, which is through easy things.

908
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: That's right.

909
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: You gain that through real life.

910
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: Through real life and hard times. And it's like I'm

911
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, we're all supposed to thank God for trials

912
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: that we go through because that's how we learn, and

913
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: that means that we're being dealt with, and I wanted

914
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather be dealt with, you know, Like I was

915
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: an athlete all through your high school and played softball,

916
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: and I always remember coach saying, if I'm not talking

917
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: to you, I then I don't care about you, and

918
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you're good if I'm screaming at you,

919
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, so I want to be dealt with. I

920
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: don't want to be ignored and I want to learn

921
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: and mistakes from my mistakes. But so I don't want

922
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: anybody listening to look. If you're in a dangerous situation,

923
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: you need to get out, period. And I did, I

924
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: mean I suck. I mean I I got myself away

925
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: from the situation. I filed for divorce, I did all

926
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: the things. But we're working very, very very hard stay

927
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: together because we love each other very much.

928
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And all sickness is and death.

929
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: Every time you get sick, you don't die.

930
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: And that's right, you know, even in relationships, would be

931
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: a friend's professional whatever. There's always going to be illnesses. Correct,

932
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: You don't you don't have to kill everything because of it.

933
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: That's right.

934
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: You can work through it, you can get healthy, you

935
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: can understand why you were affected in a certain way.

936
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: But I think that's really I think that's really great

937
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 2: for you to talk about openly, because yes, you will

938
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: hear oh, I can't believe. But the people that aren't

939
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 2: saying anything, they're the majority of folks who feel it,

940
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: understand and have those I'm glad someone's saying it right

941
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: because it's a very common not your specific story, but

942
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: your story, my story are stories. They're very common but

943
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: people aren't walking around going I got a story to

944
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: tell about those those aren't put on Instagram or Facebook.

945
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: But it is extremely relatable and it's extremely inspiring to

946
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: see someone work through it because it is very hard,

947
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: and to see what you can do once you're on

948
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: the other side. And also see it doesn't mean it's

949
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: all good, right, but it means it can be It

950
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: can be great without being always good.

951
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I agree with you about you know, not

952
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: all sicknesses and death because and I think we live

953
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: in a world where people just want to kill everything.

954
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: Just kill it if it, if it's something that hurt

955
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: your feelings, kill it, if it's something that rubbed you

956
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the wrong way, or you don't think it is right,

957
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: just kill it, destroy it, knock it down. It doesn't exist,

958
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: it never existed, or it should never exist again. And

959
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't feel that way. I mean, I

960
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: believe in working hard on relationships, any relationships like you

961
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: know ours.

962
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: For example, you broke my chair, and you know what,

963
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: we're gonna work through that.

964
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean, eventually we will of a therapist.

965
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 3: That's for us.

966
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Well, mainly I just need to joint chiropractic Visit would

967
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: be fine.

968
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: And I need a wood like a woodworker to come

969
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: in that to fly in from France because that chair see.

970
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: It, I mean, see how it's going to be. But

971
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: we're working together.

972
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: All sickness is not death.

973
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: Right.

974
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

975
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

976
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: You got the record comes out in but again, pride

977
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: is out now. I do want to ask you because

978
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: I've taken up an hour of your time already, but

979
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: I have a couple other questions I want to ask

980
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: you about because you've been so open, Thanks for being

981
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: so vulnerable and generous with that story.

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: First of all, you're welcome because that's hard to.

983
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Do, but also I think the reward that others are

984
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: going to get from it is massive. But I do

985
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 2: want to talk for a second about Dancing with the Stars.

986
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned Dancing with the Stars. How was that experience

987
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: for you as a show, not what you went through

988
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: at the end, Like, as a show? Why did you

989
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: do it and how did you feel about doing it?

990
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I had watched the first season and I loved it.

991
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was so cool. Then we were doing

992
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: CMA Fest and I was playing the stadium, came off stage,

993
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: went back to my bus, and the producer of Dancing

994
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: with the Stars was on my bus talking to my

995
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: manager and so I said, hey, nice to meet you

996
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they said, she produces Dancing with the

997
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: Stars and I said, oh my god, I love that show.

998
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: I want to be on it. And she was like,

999
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: are you serious? You really do and I said yeah.

1000
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Then I turned up pregnant. I don't know how that happened.

1001
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 3: You turned up.

1002
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you know you're from You're from a

1003
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 2: farm in rural America.

1004
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: That's what we would.

1005
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: Say, turned up pre And so it had to wait.

1006
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: And so right after Audrey was born, I started like

1007
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: getting back in shape.

1008
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: Had you ever danced before, though, like with any sort

1009
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: of and I want to say training, but any sort

1010
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: of lessons or like fun like you're actually learning how

1011
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: to do a little ball?

1012
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, absolutely not. And I'm a great like two stepper,

1013
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm good, great at country dancing, but no, And you're

1014
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: an athlete, and so athletics and music and dancing they

1015
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: all kind of go hand in hand. And because it's

1016
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: that part of your brain that says, tell your legs

1017
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: to do this, and they do it where I don't

1018
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: know what part of that brain is, but or tell

1019
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: your voice to do this and it does it. So

1020
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: that helped, But it was so hard because I was

1021
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: the only mom on the show and I didn't want

1022
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to rehearse more than like six hours. After like six hours,

1023
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: I would be like I got to get back to

1024
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: the kids, you know, and I have a baby. I

1025
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: had two kids and diapers, so that part of it

1026
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: was extremely difficult, although I I learned a great worth

1027
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: work ethic from being a farmer, excuse me. And so

1028
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: then all the stuff started happening with my ex and

1029
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: he started acting insane and like coming down from Oregon.

1030
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: We were separated. He kept coming down and he wanted to,

1031
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, be on the show every week and so

1032
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: he could be seen in the audience and kept trying

1033
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: to take the kids back to Oregon, you know, and.

1034
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: That's very distracting.

1035
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it sucks as a life thing,

1036
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: but also you're trying to do this new endeavor. Yes,

1037
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: it's hard to focus on anything when something like that

1038
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: is happening.

1039
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember laying in bed and just going okay,

1040
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: if I can walk through the whole dance in my head.

1041
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: Then I've got it, you know, like I don't know

1042
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: how you.

1043
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: I just prayed and cried. Yeah, it was I never

1044
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: had it. Yeah.

1045
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: And the thing that helps me was as soon as

1046
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: we walked out, and it was the live audience that

1047
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: made me come alive because I'm so used to that.

1048
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I made me peem up pants. Yeah, just a

1049
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: little though.

1050
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I it was very hard. I mean I was

1051
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: crying all the time, and it was just like there

1052
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: couldn't have been a worse time for me to do dancing.

1053
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: With the stars. That's what I hear. That sucks.

1054
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: So you're doing that, yet the distraction is so mad.

1055
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: It's not even distracting like a hurt toe. It's like

1056
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: your kids. It's like your real life. Yeah, it's and

1057
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: you're dealing with that as you're trying this new thing.

1058
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: You're being very vulnerable in a new area.

1059
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: You feel stupid.

1060
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: I mean I did, and I wasn't even dealing with

1061
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: what you were dealing with at the same time. So

1062
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: who was your partner Tony Dombalani And how did you

1063
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: guys get along?

1064
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: We did and we still are friends. And but he

1065
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: was very mean, you know, because he is he foreign. Yeah,

1066
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: he's from Albania.

1067
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's their baseline for mean is not

1068
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: ours exactly. Yeah, to him, he's normal, but they have

1069
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: they learn in such a like demanding way, like European.

1070
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so coddled and yeah, we're so spoiled here.

1071
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: It's you know, we've got it so good and they've

1072
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it's like a sport there and they're

1073
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: they have to do it and it's considered to be

1074
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: very manly. And so he would get real, you know,

1075
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: loud and aggressive, and probably if I wasn't going through

1076
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: what I was going through, might not have been quite

1077
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: so sensitive. But he he triggered me a lot, you know,

1078
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: with because my first husband was.

1079
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just sounds like an unperfect storm or a

1080
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: perfect storm for what you were going through and meet

1081
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: somebody else who who's just general sensibilities.

1082
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: It's just not the perfect time for.

1083
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 2: You to do that with that person, right, Not that

1084
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 2: he did anything wrong, because that's just how he got.

1085
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, but yes, it is a very tough and it's.

1086
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: Hard and you feel really dumb because you don't like

1087
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: it's like something.

1088
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: You're an infant again. Yeah, and toddler, and you're being

1089
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: talked down to. Even if they're not talking mean to

1090
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: you, you feel like you're being talked down to because they've

1091
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: got to explain it, like you're a freaking kid.

1092
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: Exactly, and it's like, this is what you do. It

1093
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: would be like me getting mad at somebody if they

1094
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: couldn't sing great, like, well, that's not fair because I'm

1095
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: not a natural dancer.

1096
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: You know, how many weeks did you do the show?

1097
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 3: Were you on the show?

1098
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: I was on I think six weeks.

1099
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: That was a long time. I was gonna win, you think?

1100
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: So we have inside information that says I was winning

1101
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: and it was gonna win.

1102
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: Would it be for you? I could give you this gift.

1103
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: You can hold my mirror ball and act like you won.

1104
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be fine?

1105
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't even want to see it.

1106
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: We opened that curtain right there, Mike, No, no, no,

1107
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 3: just look just just like she said she didn't want

1108
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 3: to see it. It's right there. That could have been you.

1109
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that is beautiful.

1110
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: It is could have been it was. It was really hard.

1111
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Who's your partner?

1112
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: Red hair demanding?

1113
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like an idiot and a lot of

1114
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: that was me and I always feel like I'm not

1115
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: worthy anyway, like that's my big therapy thing. And then

1116
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: you put me in that situation where I'm not worthy

1117
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: and I got to figure it.

1118
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Out so embarrassed.

1119
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: So it was is the most difficult thing professionally that

1120
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: I've ever.

1121
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: Had to do.

1122
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I was.

1123
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: I never got good. I was not good. I just

1124
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: found a different way.

1125
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: Like I I connected with people so much, but then

1126
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: trained so hard that if I could just stay middle

1127
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: to lower like two thirds, I felt like I could

1128
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 2: by being extremely honest with vulnerabilities and hey, I suck

1129
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: at this and I know it, but I'm trying as

1130
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: hard as I can. Yeah, that connect and I won

1131
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: And it was crazy and it was crazy. It was

1132
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: all and I mean they were there amy it was

1133
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: it was just why When they were.

1134
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: Like you want, I was like what, That's amazing. It

1135
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: was really cool. It's not even about the dance show

1136
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: to me. It's about how came.

1137
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, how it made me feel the whole time, not Sharna,

1138
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: but the situation. Yeah, and that I was able to

1139
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: just go I have to be coached and I have

1140
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: to get over myself for a minute and somehow realize

1141
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: that my trauma is making me feel this way.

1142
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: Yes, not her or this.

1143
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: You're so right because I could say the same about

1144
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: Tony that was I have a thing with men, you know,

1145
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: and so like when when he was mad at me

1146
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: or yelling at me. And also he's Muslim, so we

1147
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: were training during his fasting.

1148
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: Time, so he was cranky. Obviously he was in.

1149
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: The worst mood. And I was like, what do I

1150
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: gotta do to get you to eat? Like we've got

1151
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: to know, like, how do you feel about Jesus, because.

1152
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: Well, it convert him so he can have a taco. Yeah,

1153
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: I thought that.

1154
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: He said, if you make a donation to our local mom,

1155
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: then I can break fast. And I was like, they.

1156
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: Got a whole wing. Now here's Sarah Evans wing at

1157
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: the local mosque.

1158
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he started eating and that did help

1159
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: because he was in the worst mood for that time

1160
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: of fasting.

1161
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'm super grateful that you came over and just shared.

1162
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: It's not even one specific thing, it's a lot of

1163
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: so so thank you, thank you.

1164
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: This has been great for me.

1165
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: I do want to say, first of all, go follow

1166
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: Sarah at Sarah Evans music the out today, Pride, it's out,

1167
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: the song is out, but the record comes out in June,

1168
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: and Unbroke comes out June seventh.

1169
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: I'll say June.

1170
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: No one's gonna remember June seventh, but the summer and

1171
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it too when it comes out again,

1172
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: just to remind everybody. And you know I I in

1173
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: the podcast, Oh yeah, yes, So you can go diving

1174
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: deep with Sarah.

1175
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: Evans, diving in deep, Yeah, dive in deep.

1176
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: Diving in deep or diving yeah, diving in deep, diving

1177
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: in deep.

1178
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: Yes with Sarah Evans because that's one of my songs

1179
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: on my album Words and it's you know, perfect because

1180
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: it we're just we're we're doing both where I will

1181
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: just sit and talk and tell a story like getting

1182
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: hit by a car. That's my first episode is me

1183
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: telling the story about Jay and what happened. And then

1184
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: we've got special guests coming on. I don't know if

1185
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: I can say who they are, but like Dennis Quaid

1186
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: is on, Martinez on Ernest is coming on next week.

1187
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Like so it'll be a combo of.

1188
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: That's great and you should say who's on what's gonna

1189
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 3: happen the as sue you. That'll be two lawsuits. That's okay,

1190
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: you only get two, one from me, one from Ernest.

1191
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: That's true. That's not bad.

1192
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: No, that's not bad.

1193
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: It's not bad.

1194
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: On Thursday, yeah, I mean then Sarah's on the road

1195
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: a lot, so Sarah Evans dot Com to see the dates.

1196
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: It's I mean, you're basically in all the places that

1197
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: our show airs, but it's you know, Greenville, Texas, like

1198
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: La Florida, Gainesville, Georgia. I was gonna do the first

1199
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: few Auburn, Alabama, Virginia, West Virginia, all over.

1200
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: Go watch Sarah as you heard. You heard our say

1201
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: she's the greatest singer ever.

1202
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: You say that I did Okay, good, Yeah, I thought

1203
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: you did. I just wanted to make sure I said it.

1204
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: I want to makeure I repeated it the way that

1205
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: you said it. So seriously, thanks for sharing. Thanks for

1206
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: being here. It's been really great for me. I hope

1207
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 2: you don't leave. You're gonna be like I hate that, dude.

1208
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: Now we can sit here and talk all day.

1209
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: I agree.

1210
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: I should come whenever you're ready for me. I'll come

1211
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: do your podcast. Oh yay, thank you, especially if we

1212
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: live close that's the only reason, honestly. Yeah, yeah, because

1213
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't like who cares. But if it's close, I

1214
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: can go do it. And then right off, my guest.

1215
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to that, and I will give

1216
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: you a sturdy chair.

1217
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: No, I demand having a three leg chair, so I

1218
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: have to battle the whole time. Okay, just what you

1219
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: had to do. That sounds fair, all right, Sarah, good

1220
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: to see

1221
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 4: You you too, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast

1222
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 4: production