WEBVTT - Episode 3: No Ordinary Rioters

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into it, be advised that this series

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<v Speaker 1>contains bad language and references to violence. At two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>p m. On January six, the crowd at the east

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<v Speaker 1>side of the US Capital is a mass of heaving bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Rioters are surging forward as police in body armor attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to hold the line. Limbs, flagpoles, batons, railings, and riot

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<v Speaker 1>shields are tangling in a violent mess. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of the chaos, a small group stands out from

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else. They're decked out in full camo with body armor,

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<v Speaker 1>helmets and radios. Okay, guys, were on open channel here.

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<v Speaker 1>Now everybody can hear and talk. What makes them different

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<v Speaker 1>is the way they're moving. They're walking slowly in single file,

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<v Speaker 1>each with a hand on the shoulder of the person

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<v Speaker 1>in front. They're piercing through the crowd, working their way

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<v Speaker 1>to the front. In the military, this way of moving

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<v Speaker 1>is known as a ranger file or ranger stack. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a standard formation for ground troops about to breach a building.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what this group is going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what we lived up for, everything we fucking

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<v Speaker 1>trained for. They're communicating via a walkie talkie app called Zello,

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<v Speaker 1>the name of their channel, stopped the Steel j six.

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<v Speaker 1>Like tens of thousands of their fellow protesters, these people

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<v Speaker 1>want to prevent what they see as the theft of

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<v Speaker 1>a presidential election. They've just thought it out a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more than everyone else. We have a good, great We

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<v Speaker 1>got about thirty of us were sticking together and sticking

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<v Speaker 1>to the plan. This unit believes that today is their

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<v Speaker 1>last chance to save American democracy. Today they can become heroes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, mother, This is a can of war bass

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<v Speaker 1>made in America. Fu. Yeah, in the coming weeks and months,

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<v Speaker 1>almost every member of this unit will be identified and arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Today they're facing some of the most serious criminal charges

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<v Speaker 1>to stem from the riot. But that's all for the future.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, they're having the time of their lives. The

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<v Speaker 1>squadron that pierced the capital like human bayonets on January

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<v Speaker 1>six were no ordinary rioters. The men and women who

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<v Speaker 1>moved in military formation that day were members of a

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<v Speaker 1>well armed paramilitary force that boasts chapters all over the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. They were, in short, members of a militia.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we're going to look under the hood

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the biggest militia pops in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and figure out how they fit into the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>On January six, we'll meet the guy who founded the

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<v Speaker 1>organization and still runs it today. We'll also explore the

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<v Speaker 1>life of one of his foot soldiers who invaded the

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<v Speaker 1>capital in the ranger Stack and fought his way into

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Hall underneath the Capital Dome. So come with

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<v Speaker 1>me into the United States Capital. From the teams at

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, I Heart Radio and Novel This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Assault on America Episode three, no Ordinary Rioters. M

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<v Speaker 1>America has always had militia's back. In the eighteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>they were a way of organizing resistance against the British,

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<v Speaker 1>and George Washington would never have beat the Red Coats

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<v Speaker 1>without them. This is what gives modern militias a patina

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<v Speaker 1>of credibility, and the way people in the Patriot movement

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<v Speaker 1>talk today about seventeen seventy six, you'd think they'd personally

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<v Speaker 1>skewered Redcoats on their bayonets at the Battle of Long Island. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the militia heyday in the eighteenth century was well before

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<v Speaker 1>the United States had a standing army of its own,

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<v Speaker 1>bigger and better and stronger than ever before. These days,

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<v Speaker 1>America does have a standing army, a fairly large one.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's gonna mess where those folks nobody, So you might

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, why, in the year one are there hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of unregulated militia groups spread around the country and armed

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<v Speaker 1>to the teeth. I spoke to someone who might know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've probably dozens of threats that I've recorded in Zelo,

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<v Speaker 1>like specifically against me for writing about groups. Hampton Stall

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<v Speaker 1>is the editor of Militia Watch, a research platform that

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<v Speaker 1>covers America's far right militia's He's also the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>recorded the audio of militia members you heard at the

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<v Speaker 1>start of the episode. Hampton worked with a w n

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<v Speaker 1>y C journalist named Michael Loewinger, and together they eaves

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on militia groups as the capital was stormed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets your heart racing, like it's It's definitely an

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<v Speaker 1>adrenaline shot, especially when it's groups that are, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty minute drive from my front door. Hampton grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in upstate South Carolina. It is deep red territory,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the populist right wing Tea Party movement burst

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<v Speaker 1>onto the national stage in the late two thousand's, they

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<v Speaker 1>gained a lot of support in Hampton's hometown. It was

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<v Speaker 1>around then that Hampton noticed something else happening too. I

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<v Speaker 1>started seeing people from teep party groups start taking up

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<v Speaker 1>arms and start saying kind of wild phrases, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there's sort of a personal interest in like, who the

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<v Speaker 1>hell were these people that were marching around armed in

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<v Speaker 1>my hometown. Militia movements have waxed and waned throughout America's history.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen eighties and early nineties, militias blossomed tied

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<v Speaker 1>to the militant white supremacist movement, but they fell into

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<v Speaker 1>decline after militia member Timothy McVeigh carried out the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>City bombing. In and later on during the Obama years,

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<v Speaker 1>Hampton witnessed firsthand the resurgence of American militias. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>these groups were motivated by conspiracy theories that the new

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<v Speaker 1>black liberal president was planning to mobilize the National Guard

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<v Speaker 1>against gun owners and put them in concentration camps. And

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just ordinary civilians who were falling for this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I've detected multiple times active police officers involved in militia spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've been in all the way up to chain,

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<v Speaker 1>from just kind of expressing support to people who are

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<v Speaker 1>in militia's to joining, you know, militia chats on Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>to even being members of militia groups. The whole gamut

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of been seen more on that later in

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<v Speaker 1>the series. After being reignited by the election of Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>America's militia movement was given a massive boost in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand sixteen. Suddenly the government that militia's loved to hate

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<v Speaker 1>was taken over by someone they straight up loved. That

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<v Speaker 1>is some group of people thousands so nice, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much, that's really nice. Here was a president they

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<v Speaker 1>could get on board with, someone with obvious disdain for

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<v Speaker 1>the workings of government, and someone who's far right rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>was more of an air rate than a dog whistle.

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<v Speaker 1>They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, their rapists, and some

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<v Speaker 1>I assume are good people. So when Trump lost in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, many of America's militias weren't pleased, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the winter months following the election, lots of them got

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in Alie Alexander's Stopped the Steel campaign, which

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<v Speaker 1>we covered in the last episode. Even if they never

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<v Speaker 1>heard the name Ali Alexander, they heard about January six.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it everywhere, maybe just before Christmas. People were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about January six pretty aggressively at the time. They

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<v Speaker 1>were saying things like we're going to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>tunnels of the Capitol and fight Antifa down there, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just like way more specific than stuff that had

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<v Speaker 1>been being said for the last few months. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what the big warning sign was for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That made me realize, you know, it's probably a good

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<v Speaker 1>idea when January six came around, to sit down at

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<v Speaker 1>my computer and be watching the feeds to try and

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<v Speaker 1>document what sort of armed groups were present, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how Hampton came to be recording the Zelo channel called

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<v Speaker 1>Stop the Steel j six during the Capitol riot. In

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<v Speaker 1>the roughly two hours of audio, we hear a militia

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<v Speaker 1>member report back to her friends elsewhere in the country

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<v Speaker 1>as she storms the capital. At the start of the recording,

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<v Speaker 1>there's palpable excitement in her voice as she nears her target.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's marching on the Capitol, all million of us. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 1>We're about two blocks away from it now. Police are

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<v Speaker 1>doing nothing. They're not even trying to stop us. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point. As she reports back, voices from across the

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<v Speaker 1>country cheer her on joking about draining the swamp. Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>been trying to drain the swamp with a straw. We

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<v Speaker 1>just brought a shop back. We're gonna have to blow

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<v Speaker 1>the damn to drain this fucking swamp. Be safe down here,

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I gotta say. Just be safe, be alert,

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<v Speaker 1>and stay in groups. Like it's Christmas all over again

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<v Speaker 1>for us patriots. Alas the Christmas vibes are few and

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<v Speaker 1>far between and the rest of the audio, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the voices are considerably more disturbing. They've got the gallows

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<v Speaker 1>that upside the Capitol building. It's trying to start sucking

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<v Speaker 1>using them. Patriots need to have the guns nearby. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI rats are trapped on the roof and they have

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere to go. I won't take you through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't do that to you. But here are some headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, these guys are obsessed with Antifa. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>dumbasses like anti Tifa. They hate Mike Pence. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a report that Pence is a pedophile, unindicted pedophile, and

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<v Speaker 1>They have fascinating theories about what Joe Biden does with

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<v Speaker 1>his downtime. He's hiding an ambrazement balance and little kids

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<v Speaker 1>off his back and having him play with his blonde

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<v Speaker 1>leg or looker. My team was unable to fact check

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<v Speaker 1>this allegation, but you get the point. The voices on

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<v Speaker 1>this channel are not part of the same reality that

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<v Speaker 1>I live in and probably that you live in. Two

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<v Speaker 1>and neither are the militia members and the Rangers stacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the crowd. While the Zelo channel cheers them

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<v Speaker 1>on with heartwarming messages of encouragement, the unit on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground achieves their objective. We are in the main dome

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<v Speaker 1>right now. We are rocking at their their longer nets.

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<v Speaker 1>They're perk and shooting people with payballs. But we're in

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<v Speaker 1>here fucking gets some God blessom God's being, and keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it, Jess. For the militia members, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>moment of pure jubilation. But what's extraordinary is the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that none of them seem bothered or even aware that

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<v Speaker 1>they're breaking the law. As they speak freely on a

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<v Speaker 1>public walkie talkie channel. It's clear that they feel they're

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<v Speaker 1>on the right side of history and thus untouchable by

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. Patriots are taking self east together with capital police.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside the capital, they even reassure each other that their

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<v Speaker 1>actions are legal, using highly dubious jargon the civilian authority

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<v Speaker 1>of we the people, constitutional enforcement action, direct action. There

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be no understanding that those who enter the

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<v Speaker 1>capital maskless and openly boasting on social media are putting

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in legal jeopardy. Then again, perhaps it's what we

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<v Speaker 1>should expect from an outfit whose getaway plan and involves

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<v Speaker 1>hijacking federal snowplows. Those snowplows are going to be easily

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<v Speaker 1>hot wired their diesel trucks. That's the way out if

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<v Speaker 1>need to be. They belong to us, the taxpayers, We

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking people. Now, I wouldn't begrudge my tax dollars

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<v Speaker 1>going towards the world's slowest police chase with a few

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<v Speaker 1>dozen militia members crammed into snowplows. But the point stands

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who would even consider that route is not part

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<v Speaker 1>of a world class conspiracy. And that's because the militias

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<v Speaker 1>that breached the capital and the voices cheering them from

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<v Speaker 1>back home, they're just the foot soldiers They're not to

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<v Speaker 1>be written off. They are dangerous people breaking the hell

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<v Speaker 1>out of some laws, but they're not the brains of

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<v Speaker 1>the operation. That distinction belongs to someone else entirely. While

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<v Speaker 1>the militia member in the ranger stack is broadcasting her

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<v Speaker 1>movements on zello, there's a man standing nearby, a safe

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<v Speaker 1>distance back from the violence. His name is Omer Stewart Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the leader of the largest militia group in America,

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<v Speaker 1>which just so happens to be the most extensively prosecuted

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<v Speaker 1>paramilitary organization related to the January six riots. To understand

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<v Speaker 1>his organization and what it's capable of, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the man. It's time to meet Stupard Rhodes. His

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<v Speaker 1>involvement is exactly what I thought it would be. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew he would never go inside the capitol. He's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the the leader that stands him back and ends

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna lead, and then hangs back. This is Tasha Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>the estranged wife of Stewart Rhodes. I'm stating the obvious here,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tasha is not an impartial source when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to Rhodes. As I record this, she's running a go

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<v Speaker 1>fund make campaign to get money to pay for her divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>She lives in rural Montana with her six children and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of animals. I think some of the noise

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<v Speaker 1>interruption might be my chickens. Tasha met Stewart in Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas in nineteen She was an eighteen year old dance

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<v Speaker 1>instructor and one day a twenty five year old Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes came in for a barn dancing lesson. He's all stiff.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, Rhodes had already served in the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Army and was now a commercial artist making sculptures for

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<v Speaker 1>local casinos. He was really assertive, almost kind of aggressive,

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<v Speaker 1>and personality me being to innately shy and quiet person

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<v Speaker 1>that was always something that I liked in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone to date because it's sort of opened doors for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart and Tasha lived in a tenerant life, starting a

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<v Speaker 1>big family, but always moving from town to town, job

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<v Speaker 1>to job. In two thousand eight, Rhodes took a job

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<v Speaker 1>working for the libertarian Ron Paul's short lived presidential campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>If we do the right things, we can restore the

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<v Speaker 1>greatness of this country. Thank you very much. He must

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<v Speaker 1>have liked something about it, because soon after the campaign flatlined,

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes told Tasha that he wanted to form his own organization.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, wow, this is something he can do for

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<v Speaker 1>a living where all he has to do is talk.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is something he can do. As Tasha

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<v Speaker 1>describes it, his way with words and his Yale degree

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<v Speaker 1>won him work easily enough. He just never saw it through.

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<v Speaker 1>Tasha figured that any job that just let him speak

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<v Speaker 1>would be a good thing for him. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in a family of motivational speakers and ministers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what they do in that family as they

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<v Speaker 1>give speeches and they they sell multi level marketing products

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<v Speaker 1>and they their reference and they love this stuff. This

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<v Speaker 1>is great, you know, something you won't get fired at.

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes was indeed brilliant and evangelizing for his new organization,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon created a membership structure with annual fees, and

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<v Speaker 1>traveled the country and recruiting members. Our mission is simply

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out and remind all active duty military, police,

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<v Speaker 1>and firefighters of their civic obligation of their legal duty

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<v Speaker 1>and responsibilities under Article six of the U S Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazingly immediate, he launched a free blog. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote up a bit and it was almost instant, and

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<v Speaker 1>so in March of two thousand nine, the oath Keepers

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<v Speaker 1>were born. It was a pressure group campaigning for police

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<v Speaker 1>and military to keep the oaths that they'd sworn to

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<v Speaker 1>uphold the Constitution. He created a list called the Declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of Orders We will not bay Buist reads like a

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<v Speaker 1>big dog whistle to the conspiracy theory that Democrats were

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<v Speaker 1>planning to impose martial law and take everyone's guns. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the turn of the two thousand tens, Republicans were

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophizing that the newly elected President Obama was about to

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<v Speaker 1>send gun owners to the gulag, and Rhodes's message found

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<v Speaker 1>a willing audience. As the Oathkeepers grew and grew, Rhodes

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<v Speaker 1>masterminded their transition from being an advocacy group to a

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<v Speaker 1>straight up militia. If the people in this country were

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<v Speaker 1>to recognize the necessity of getting back to the Founder's plan,

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<v Speaker 1>the necessity of the well regulated militia being necessary for

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<v Speaker 1>security or free state, if they were to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>that were through a massive monkey wrench and the plans

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<v Speaker 1>of the globalist oligarchy. Because they want to sarm populations

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<v Speaker 1>that are easy to control. Under rhodes Is charismatic leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>the Oathkeepers grew to become one of the largest militias

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<v Speaker 1>in the country. They claimed to have over forty fee

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<v Speaker 1>paying members. But in two thousand fourteen, something seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have changed for Roads. His ex wife, Tasha links this

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<v Speaker 1>change to a meeting he allegedly had with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>His mental state spiraled fast after that, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>when we realized I had to get out of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Tasha doesn't know what the FEDS said to Stewart or

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<v Speaker 1>if the meeting was even related to his decline in

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<v Speaker 1>mental health, but after twenty five turbulent years of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>having met Rhoads when she was just eighteen, she finally

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<v Speaker 1>woke up to the kind of man that he really was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually some of the books he had laying around.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a book in particular called The Sociopath next Door,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just sat down and read it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I just was drained of all life for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, you know. Really, after I read that, it

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<v Speaker 1>just hit me and there was no way around it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a sociopath. Tasha describes years, decades of feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart's abusive behavior was her fault. She would think that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she just wasn't lovable, maybe she'd done something wrong

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<v Speaker 1>long and whatever issues he had could surely be loved away.

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<v Speaker 1>At long last, she decided the problem was not with her,

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<v Speaker 1>it was with her husband. Much of the abuse, Tasha

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<v Speaker 1>alleges was financial. Rhodes was paying himself a salary of

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<v Speaker 1>eighty thousand dollars a year to run the Oathkeepers, but

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<v Speaker 1>Tasha says that almost none of that money trickled back

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<v Speaker 1>to the family. We were really in a difficult place.

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<v Speaker 1>The disparity of how money was spent was just so odd.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just so used to it, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>even little things like the kids and I only ever

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<v Speaker 1>shopped and thrift stores, but all his clothes were top

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<v Speaker 1>of the line expensive clothes. The kids would have holes

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<v Speaker 1>in their shoes, and you know, I think he had

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<v Speaker 1>fifty pairs of shoes, and all of them over a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars each. I mean, just things like that. There

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<v Speaker 1>was physical abuse to Tasha says that Rhodes would sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>hurt her or even the kids, and then come up

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<v Speaker 1>with ludicrous excuses. I was just practicing my martial arts.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as we can tell, Rhodes has ever commented

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<v Speaker 1>publicly on Tasha's allegations, and they have not been proved

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<v Speaker 1>in a court of law. But as a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes deteriorated, Rhodes's public rhetoric became increasingly extreme. He developed

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<v Speaker 1>a working relationship with America's pre eminent conspiracy theorist, the

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<v Speaker 1>Info Wars host Alex Jones, and would often appear on

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<v Speaker 1>Jones's show to promote the Oath Keepers. Here he is

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<v Speaker 1>in calling for Donald Trump to deploy the military against leftists.

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<v Speaker 1>In the past have been opposed using the military domestically

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<v Speaker 1>for for this purpose, he needs to use the military.

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<v Speaker 1>We were worried about globalist using the military against us,

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<v Speaker 1>which is gonna happen. This is globalist overthrowing our government.

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<v Speaker 1>We better have the military stop the globalist. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to love it. Rhodes founded his organization out

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<v Speaker 1>of a fear that Democrats were going to use the

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<v Speaker 1>military to crush American freedoms. And now here he is

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<v Speaker 1>agitating for the U. S military to murder his political enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>And he wasn't just relying on Trump in the run

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<v Speaker 1>up to January six, Rhodes appears to have made plans

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<v Speaker 1>of his own. We have been already stationed outside d

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<v Speaker 1>C as a nuclear option, So I've got good men

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground already. We've been in a leadcon there

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<v Speaker 1>last week, and we're sorting out. We're gonna be staging

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be there, will be inside d C. Will

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<v Speaker 1>also be on the outside of DC, armed, prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>go in. Rhodes is describing an armed paramilitary force lurking

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<v Speaker 1>outside of DC, ready to enter the city at his word.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a so called q r F, or quick

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<v Speaker 1>reaction force. The idea is that if Rhodes gets the signal,

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<v Speaker 1>a small group can bring weapons into d C and

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<v Speaker 1>distribute them to the unarmed oath keepers already present at

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<v Speaker 1>the capitol. You can only guess at the carnage that

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<v Speaker 1>might have ensued if dozens of oath Keepers had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>their hands on guns during the riot. On the day

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<v Speaker 1>of the insurrection, Info Wars host Alex Jones can barely

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<v Speaker 1>contain his excitement. Can you not feel history happening right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's happening right now. It is, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>all we'll all need to realize that we're Americans, were

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<v Speaker 1>born in this country at the time. For this purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to Stewart Rhodes clearly did not let go

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<v Speaker 1>of his fear on January six He never called in

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<v Speaker 1>the q r F. He never went into the Capitol

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<v Speaker 1>building either. At least twenty of his oath keepers have

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<v Speaker 1>since been arrested, some of them are looking at decades

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. In each of their indictments, someone called Person

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<v Speaker 1>one features prominently communicating with them all day on an

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<v Speaker 1>encrypted signal channel called d c op jan six one.

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<v Speaker 1>And you guessed it. Person one is believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart Rhodes. So will Rhodes eventually get picked up for

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy to obstruct Congress or for the small matter of

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<v Speaker 1>plotting an armed coup? Time will tell Meanwhile, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>such ambiguity for his foot soldiers who entered the Capitol

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<v Speaker 1>on jan sixth, blissfully unaware of the trouble they were

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<v Speaker 1>storing up for themselves. Hey brother, we're boots on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground here. We're moving on to capital now. I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a booth on the ground update here. And I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know more about Rhodes as foot soldiers There's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot written about them online, both vilifying and glorifying,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on where Google leads you. But I figured that

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<v Speaker 1>to get a read on them, i'd need to get closer.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Danisa and I am the sister of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the domestic terrorists that tried to overtake the capital,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan Kraw. Dennis's brother, Donovan Kraw, is a former marine

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<v Speaker 1>and a current oathkeeper. We heard his voice briefly in

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<v Speaker 1>the Zello recordings. Donovan comes first in the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 1>the riot. Donovan's picture went viral because he looked, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a scary guy. He was wearing a combat helmet,

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic goggles, and a tactical best and he was carrying

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<v Speaker 1>a handheld radio. What I wanted to know was how

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<v Speaker 1>does American citizen and a veteran reached this point? Where

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<v Speaker 1>does he come from? My parents were very young parents.

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<v Speaker 1>They were too young to be having children and be

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<v Speaker 1>My father was a raging alcoholic and very abusive. But

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan was kind of the protector, you know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>my older brother. Of course I idolized him. This makes

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<v Speaker 1>a change from Stuart Rhodes practicing karate on his own kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan and Denisa grew up in Bushnell, Illinois, and Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>had a normal, fulfilling life, building a family, working in

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<v Speaker 1>a factory, coaching baseball, and he and Denissa stayed close.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a single parent and he was helping me.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked nights at a factory, and I, of course

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<v Speaker 1>worked days as a nurse, so he would watch my

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<v Speaker 1>daughter while I was at work, and I would keep

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter on the weekends. But in the two thousand tens,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan went through a difficult worse. He lost his job

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<v Speaker 1>and he got addicted to alcohol and other substances, and

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the only major change in his life. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>Donovan had called me and we were just talking, and

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<v Speaker 1>just out of the blue, he says, I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to start saving gas and gas cans. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to keep cash on hand at all times, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to get a map and draw a back

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<v Speaker 1>route to my house in case you have to leave

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<v Speaker 1>real quick and get to me. And I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 1>in the hell are you talking about, Donovan? Why would

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<v Speaker 1>I even need to do that. Donovan became a prepper,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who prepares for societal breakdown. His sister, Deniso wrote

0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>it off as a drink fueled eccentricity, but it became

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.440
<v Speaker 1>harder to ignore. We were having a family reunion and

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<v Speaker 1>we had it out at the property that Donovan lived

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<v Speaker 1>on because they could do target practice and whatever Neanderthal's do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had walked up to the house to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom, and when I went into the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this magazine. It was a prepper magazine, something

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<v Speaker 1>like you put your food in thirty three gallon drums,

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<v Speaker 1>and very right wing magazine. So I made fun of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I took it out and I said, what is this bullshit?

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<v Speaker 1>I was concerned about the people he was hanging out with.

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard of the oath Keepers. In case

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<v Speaker 1>you're not a regular listener, Dnisa is talking about the

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff you hear on Info Wars. It goes

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<v Speaker 1>like this. It's either President Trump is concouraged and bolstered

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<v Speaker 1>strengthened to do what he must do, or we wind

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<v Speaker 1>up in a holoody fight. We all know that the

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<v Speaker 1>fight's coming. I don't know what Donovan was watching or

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<v Speaker 1>what his online habits were, but it's clear that the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of far right message pushed by Stewart Rhodes and

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<v Speaker 1>others on Info Wars hit home at a hard period

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<v Speaker 1>in Krawell's life. He felt that Obama was a Muslim.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were racists under tones that I had

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:05.399
<v Speaker 1>never heard from him before. I mean, he fought in

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the Gulf War next to all ethnicities, so this was

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of something new to me, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of an undercurrent of right wing media. You

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>might have guessed that Denis's politics aren't the same as

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<v Speaker 1>her brothers. The two drifted apart as Donovan latched onto

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump in and became increasingly immersed in a paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>world of conspiracy theories. I didn't put up with it,

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody else would just be like, yeah, yeah, just

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>to get him to shut up, I would tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a moron. Think about what you're saying. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the mental gymnastics that he would have to do to

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<v Speaker 1>justify FEMA camps and Hillary eating babies and just all

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. It's just absolutely ridiculous. It was around

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<v Speaker 1>this time that Denis's relationship with her brother fell apart.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and sixteen, Denisa went to a family gathering.

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<v Speaker 1>On first day she wore an I'm with her T shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning she was going to vote for Hillary, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the second day, I wore a nasty woman T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>that went over not well at all. Sure enough, it's

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<v Speaker 1>set Donovan off, and the ensuing argument would be the

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<v Speaker 1>last time they'd speak for quite a while. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Denissa wouldn't hear Donovan's voice until January, when she heard

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>a now familiar clip on the news The Capol Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>Krowll is looking it up to twenty years in prison

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 1>for his part in the Rangers stack that preached the capital. Meanwhile,

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Stewart Rhodes, Crowl's commander is a freeman. This could simply

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<v Speaker 1>be because Rhodes is so careful. Tasha describes a level

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<v Speaker 1>of paranoia that has no doubt served him well since

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<v Speaker 1>the insurrection. He's very, very aware of being recorded and

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<v Speaker 1>monitored at all times. He won't even talk in a house.

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<v Speaker 1>If he wants to have private conversation with someone, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>take off their smart watches, they'll take off their phones,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll stand in the woods somewhere and talk under

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<v Speaker 1>the covers of trees so satellites can't read their lips.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why Stewart wasn't eager to do an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with me. But what if there's another explanation for his paranoia.

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.239
<v Speaker 1>It was in two thousand and fourteen Natasha decided she

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<v Speaker 1>had to escape her marriage, and at around this point

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes seemed to unravel following a secret meeting with the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible this meeting is the reason that he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't gone to prison. I'm not sure what happened, but

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to really melt down after that. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they threatened him with, you know, with

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<v Speaker 1>possible arrest, or if he made a deal with them

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<v Speaker 1>and possibly worked as an informant after that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened, but he really melted it down after that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that became dangerous. Is Stewart Rhodes a federal informant?

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<v Speaker 1>It might explain why so many members of his organization

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<v Speaker 1>are in prison on conspiracy charges while the alleged chief

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>conspirator remains free. But people are starting to talk. When

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Rhodes attended Sea Pack, one of the biggest conservative gatherings

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of the year, in July, he was accosted by an

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<v Speaker 1>Alright media influencer, both keeper Guy right Hey fake for

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<v Speaker 1>your service. We'll love our federal informants. Oh, the macho

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<v Speaker 1>militia man is being mocked on a live stream, taunted

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<v Speaker 1>about being a federal informant. Explain why you haven't been yet?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no and you've avoid at all conspiracy charges so far.

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<v Speaker 1>The react of my ass right now, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go outside and fight the fucking go fight. While Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>Rhodes defends his honor at Sea Pack, Donovan Crowell waits

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<v Speaker 1>for the justice system to decide his fate. His sister,

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Danissa feels like her brother has been used and discarded.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where he goes from here. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I missed my brother. Denisa has spoken

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to don open once or twice since his arrest by

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the FBI in January. To me, at least the way

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<v Speaker 1>she describes it, their interactions leave open a possibility of

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the kind of redemption simply not possible for a man

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like Stuart Rhodes. I said, Donovan, I love you. What

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>are you doing here? He said? We used to have

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<v Speaker 1>each other's back, and I don't understand how you know

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>what happened, But I love you too, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a little bit of the old Donovan, but

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the old Donovan never lasts long. Donovan and Denis's mother

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>died of cancer in August. When she was on her deathbed,

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>she would have occasional phone calls with her eldest son.

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>When Donovan would call her when she was in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>all he would do was rail against the medical establishment

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and saying all she needed was hydrogen peroxide. My mom

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>would just essentially set the phone down or say she

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<v Speaker 1>had to go because he would get fired up talking

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>about how not to take the vaccine and that the

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>hospital was trying to kill her. The oath Keepers have

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>gotten a lot of attention in the months since the

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<v Speaker 1>Capital riot, but when it comes to militia's in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, Stuart Rhodes and his oath Keepers are just

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<v Speaker 1>the start of the story. The malicious scene is highly fragmented,

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<v Speaker 1>with hundreds of groups constantly forming and splintering, some with

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<v Speaker 1>three or four members and many with dozens of people involved.

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<v Speaker 1>This depressing prospect makes me think back to the Zelo

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<v Speaker 1>audio that Hampton Stall recorded on J six. For all

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<v Speaker 1>the funny stuff about hot wiring, snowplows and playing with

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Biden's leg hair, there were a few voices in the

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>chat that sounded like they meant business. At some point

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 1>during the riot, a mysterious General E drops by his

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>moniker and obvious play on the Confederate General Robert E.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee General stop the still j six. General E proceeds

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<v Speaker 1>to sketch out a plan for continuing the campaign on

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<v Speaker 1>January seven. The premise is far fetched, but it does

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>sound like he has equipment and manpower. First thing in

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the morning, we are heading out in a convoy. We

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>have armored vehicles coming from Texas, North Texas, South Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be moving in a convoy up to d

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<v Speaker 1>C the next two and a half days. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet in a sibyl at the Virginia river line.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>All Detrious and Melissa man need to report to the

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>river on the Virginia side. We will be assembling there

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be taking our capital back. The good General's plan,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is utter madness, but so is the Capital riot.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are voices in the group who sound like

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<v Speaker 1>they want to sign up. Generally, this is uh Gator,

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>even if it is someone called ead. Our group wants

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to link up with you and move in. If you

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>could please contact me. You have my number and Gator

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>isn't the only voice Jones in for treason. General E uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is bad Land's actual I just sent a request

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<v Speaker 1>on Zello. Can you side Porch please? Now? This second

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>attempt at a coup never materialized. Within twenty four hours

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Capitol Riot, d C was flooded with National

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Guard troops who embedded there for weeks. So we'll never

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<v Speaker 1>know whether our General E and company would have gone

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>through with their tough talk. But when it comes to

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>domestic terrorism, I'm usually inclined to take people at their word.

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<v Speaker 1>So the million dollar question remains, what can we do

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>about these guys? Here's Hampton Stall. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI or DHS or whom have or else is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to like shoot their way out

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<v Speaker 1>of this problem. I don't think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to jail their way out of this problem. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they're gonna be able to like no knockerate

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<v Speaker 1>their way out of this problem. Of like militia involvement

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, it could be termed as a

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<v Speaker 1>hyper low level insurgency at this point, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>a security approach will only serve to escalate that insurgency

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<v Speaker 1>into like, very real like violence. So I'm not sure

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be as effective as everybody's hoping. The

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>idea that a bunch of disparate militias armed with a

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 1>motley assortment of rivals could present a threat to the U.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>S Military is often mocked by liberals. It shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 1>On January six, some of these people were seconds away

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<v Speaker 1>from potentially capturing elected leaders, and god knows what might

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>have happened. Then, when we write these groups off as

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>y'all Kaida country bumpkins doomed to lose any fight they start,

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 1>we're allowing our own biases to blind us to a

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<v Speaker 1>very real threat. World history is filled with small groups

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>of armed and motivated people who, through a mix of

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 1>daring and blind bravado, changed the world, often for the worse.

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the most frightening thing about people like Rhads isn't

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that they might overthrow the government or even start the

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 1>civil war that many of them fantasize about. It's the

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>fact that they have increasingly deep ties two elected leaders

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<v Speaker 1>on the right. Imagine what might happen if these people

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<v Speaker 1>find themselves supported and empowered by an administration all too

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<v Speaker 1>happy to cut them loose against the enemies of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's happened before in Germany, Rwanda, Bosnia, and a thousand

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>bloody little conflicts all over the globe. There's nothing written

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in the stars that says it can't happen here. Next time,

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 1>we're going to look at a very different activists from

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Stewart Rhodes, a militant whose weapon of choice is memes.

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>An l a rapper addicted to online engagement who served

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the social media algorithms, cruising through music and politics before

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>finally reaching the capital with an outrageous plan in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey let's call Trump. Let's call Trump yet, so join

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>me in episode four as we meet the guy that

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone overlooked, including myself, with dire consequences,