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Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome to Between the Horns. It is Wednesday, March

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. Miles Simmons here across the table from DeMarco Farr,

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Speaker 1: who is staring at his microphone like it's a foreign

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Speaker 1: object that he's never seen before. I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out where the hot part is, what you know,

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Speaker 1: so I won't be too loud or get too excited.

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Speaker 1: It's a mic I know how many years have you

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Speaker 1: been on either radio ever, but I've never really studied

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Speaker 1: a microphone before. Well, it's got to cover on it,

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Speaker 1: so you're not really going to be able to see

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Speaker 1: much of whatever it is one is to see. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to like blow your ear drums out

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Speaker 1: if I get too excited. Jane, it's about eleven fifty

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Speaker 1: and am Pacific time here in Agora Hills, California, where

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Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of things to discuss. Really. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that I want to get to a little

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Speaker 1: bit later in the show talk about Malcolm Brown a

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Speaker 1: little bit, what it means that he's back. Also, we

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Speaker 1: learned a little bit more about Clay Matthews what his

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Speaker 1: role is going to be since the last time we've

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Speaker 1: done a podcast, but I want to start DeMarco with

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Speaker 1: rule changes because there are some pretty big things that

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Speaker 1: have gone on in the owners meetings over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of days. And so now those pictures they had,

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Speaker 1: the pictures of all the gems and all the head

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Speaker 1: coach Oh, yes you saw those, I did. Those are interesting.

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Speaker 1: One of the head coach pictures, Sean McVay was not in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where was coach McVay? Well, he blew up our pr

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Speaker 1: director here, senior prer director artist Twyman, who apparently, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can see the clip it's floating around there. Apparently

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Speaker 1: artists told him that the picture was canceled and the the

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Speaker 1: picture was back on and by that time McVeagh was

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Speaker 1: chilling at the pool and wow. At that point he says, artists,

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Speaker 1: is this a bad look if I don't go? And

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Speaker 1: artists like not really? And so he was one of

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Speaker 1: six coaches who was not not there. Okay, So there

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Speaker 1: must have been a lot of miscommunication going on between

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. Do you find head coaches? What

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Speaker 1: can you find head coach pictures? I doubt it because

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Speaker 1: I know players get fined if they missed the team photo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I mean that's not a team photo. That's just

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Speaker 1: a photos. You're part of the head coaching team. I

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Speaker 1: mean yeah, but like Sean Payton wasn't in it, Pete

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Speaker 1: Carroll wasn't in it. My file one wasn't in There

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Speaker 1: were six. Even Bill Belichick though was in it this year,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. He's not in it. Usually

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Speaker 1: if Belichick's there, you all should be there. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: like I think it's okay that Sean was not. Hunters,

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Speaker 1: hucks and pennies, okay, great in pennies. Yeah, roll please, yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. And the biggest rule change I think you

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Speaker 1: can say is what I want to call the Ruby

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Speaker 1: Coleman Rule, which is now that all past interference penalties,

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Speaker 1: calls and non calls defensive offensive can be reviewed. Thank god.

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Speaker 1: Will you have the right to challenge? Right, you can

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Speaker 1: drop a flag? Yes, I that is what I should say.

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Speaker 1: You still have challengeable plays for the first twenty eight

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Speaker 1: minutes each half, and the last two minutes is up

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Speaker 1: to a booth review. Is that it? Yes? That is

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Speaker 1: absolutely correct? Yeay NFL Yeah, way to go, yeah, good absolutely, yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: look it happens both ways. I know everyone thinks This

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Speaker 1: is a New Orleans rule or a Robie Coleman rule.

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Speaker 1: This happens a thousand times a day in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. It does every Sunday Monday. Whenever you're playing.

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Speaker 1: There's miss calls or bogus calls. Yes, there, you should

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Speaker 1: have the right to challenge these. Yes, especially when it's obvious. Sure,

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Speaker 1: and I even said this during the game in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm biased. I'm happy it benefit of the rams,

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Speaker 1: but get the freaking call right. That's ridiculous. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: can't have that happen. So thank goodness we got this right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that what you said there is actually a

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Speaker 1: good way to intro what Sean mcvayh had to say

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Speaker 1: at the Coach's breakfast yesterday. Now this clip comes from

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Speaker 1: before they actually took the vote on what actually then

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Speaker 1: became the proposal. But I think Sean McVay pretty clearly

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Speaker 1: states almost exactly what you were saying, that you just

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Speaker 1: want to get the calls right. So take a listen.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, whatever we can do to continue

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Speaker 1: the Saints. You know that that was a play that

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Speaker 1: that it was in defensive past interference. We all know that,

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Speaker 1: and we don't. You know, we want to consistency with

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Speaker 1: some of those things in terms of the language, the verbiage.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of layers that Sean and Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: can talk about way better than I could. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're continuing to get educated on those things. But anything

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Speaker 1: that's you know, progressive in terms of just making sure

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Speaker 1: that we officiate the game the way that you know

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Speaker 1: it's worded in the rule book and can stay within

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Speaker 1: those frameworks is exactly what we all want as coaches.

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Speaker 1: So that's Sean McVay at the Coach's Breakfast yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: we think join a Hunter, who is another one of

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Speaker 1: our corporate communications people, for making sure we got that audio.

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Speaker 1: Nice um, But I think exactly what you were saying before, DeMarco,

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Speaker 1: it's you want to get those calls right. And so

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Speaker 1: even though yeah, we can go back and admit that

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Speaker 1: that play that Nicoleton excuse me to Kell Roby Coleman

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Speaker 1: made against the Saints with pass interference, Yes it benefited

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Speaker 1: the Rams, but that doesn't mean in the future you

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Speaker 1: want those calls to not get right. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I hate when games like that, especially the NFC Championship game,

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Speaker 1: is it's marred by one call. You forget everything else

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Speaker 1: that went that happened before or after. All You're focused

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Speaker 1: because of that in your mind. So that drives me nuts.

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Speaker 1: Let's eliminate that. Let's at least give a team or

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Speaker 1: a coach, a coaching staff the chance to have a

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Speaker 1: say in this. You miss this call, let me help

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Speaker 1: you out. And that's what I'm all about. Help those

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Speaker 1: officials out. Man. It is fast down there on the field,

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Speaker 1: right really, I mean I'm sitting there like five years

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Speaker 1: away from the same official and we have opposite calls,

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Speaker 1: so you don't have these black eyes. So we won't

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Speaker 1: be talking about one stupid call for the next six months.

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Speaker 1: It was a game, it happened, it's over. Let's move on.

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Speaker 1: Get the calls right. Sure. I think this is interesting though,

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Speaker 1: because it kind of opens up the NFL to do

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Speaker 1: more in terms of reviewing calls. Now, if you'd look

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Speaker 1: at this rule in particular, it was adopted thirty one

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Speaker 1: like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick encouraging the coaches to

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Speaker 1: stay in terms of for a meeting that then lasted

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Speaker 1: making sure that they actually got something done out of this.

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Speaker 1: So clearly there was some really big momentum that was

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Speaker 1: and now we have what they've done. I just what's

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Speaker 1: I think this is all towards the positive. I thought

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Speaker 1: have been something positive. Now we don't know what a

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Speaker 1: that was the downside of trying to figure out catch

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Speaker 1: I hope we don't create another situation with this, with

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Speaker 1: having the ability to challenge DPI or OPI. I hope

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Speaker 1: because that's what I think the catch rule isn't it right?

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Speaker 1: Now it made the game worse. We're not even sure

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Speaker 1: know what's the what's the role of the official on

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Speaker 1: with two challenges and that's all you get, right, and

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Speaker 1: So that's the same rule. And this is just another

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Speaker 1: challengeable play. And if a replay needs to happen from

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Speaker 1: it seems like the more you think about it more

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Speaker 1: you know. Well, I mean, now it's up to a coach.

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Speaker 1: You can challenge a non call. So you go back

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Speaker 1: and look at a play that looks like it's it's

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Speaker 1: a clean defensive play. Well, he's got his hand on

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Speaker 1: his back. Well, technically that's pass interference. Yeah, well, it

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Speaker 1: it's clear PI give him a first down? Well, but

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Speaker 1: least with the law. Sure in that clip, No, it's

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Speaker 1: the things that are clear cut. Right, And there was

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Speaker 1: actually another clip. So if he's holding the jersey but

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Speaker 1: depends on how you interpret that rule. He's got he's

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Speaker 1: he's not yanking him, right, So it depends on how

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Speaker 1: you argue that again, I think it's there's always the

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Speaker 1: shades of gray, right, And that's another thing that he

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Speaker 1: it's okay, we have to obviously there's going to be

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Speaker 1: But if there is something that is clear and blatantly obvious, right,

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Speaker 1: I think that there are going to be judgment calls

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Speaker 1: They hope for a call towards the end of games. Well,

423
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Speaker 1: you can't hope for like a penalty in Madden. You

424
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Speaker 1: got to actually try to execute it. But I hear you.

425
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: You hope for calls, right, You hope for something big

426
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,000
Speaker 1: to happen when nothing's going right for you. Yes, that's

427
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 1: that's definitely the way I played Madden because I'm very

428
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 1: bad to see we'll get the call. If not. If

429
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Speaker 1: we get the call, we get the ball in the

430
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: line and we can punch it in from here. Yes,

431
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 1: that's a cheap way to win. Well, it could have

432
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: happened apparently in the Super Bowl way, although that was

433
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: a really well delivered ball by Golf. It was just look,

434
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: has some integrity about it. Just don't be don't be

435
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Speaker 1: a jerk about it. If you have the power to challenge,

436
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: people are going to be a jerk about it. I

437
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,719
Speaker 1: just that's it's a tool that you have, right, if

438
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: you're trying to win a football game, that's what you

439
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: should do. You should all the tools that you've got. Well,

440
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: if you if you're acting like a jerk, and you

441
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: if you are, if you're acting like a jerk, and

442
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: you challenge a play that's a clear good football play

443
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: that has some gray to it, and it's overturned, remember

444
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: your dbs are going on the field next. And I

445
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: hope it happens to you. Sure, yeah, really I do.

446
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 1: Well that turnabout is fair play, right, I hope So,

447
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: I really do hope so. And I mean, look, I

448
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing in again, Sean McVay said this,

449
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: They want to preserve the integrity of the game. They

450
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: want to make sure the calls are right. So there's

451
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: always going to be that gray area as we sort

452
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: of circle back to this. But at the same time,

453
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: you want to just get things right that you know

454
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 1: are wrong. That's that, to me, is the biggest thing

455
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: that is going on with this. And if they can

456
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: do that, and it could be again, it could be defensive,

457
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: it could be offensive, it could be called and not called.

458
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: If you throw the challenge flag, you're basically saying, I

459
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: want this to get right. It's just like in theory,

460
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: if I or I need a break today. It's just

461
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: like if there's a reception or not, if there's a

462
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: fumble or not. You know, you want to be able

463
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: to get those things right. You know, I wish you

464
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: could move this over to roughing the passer, but there's

465
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: no way. Yeah, yeah, I mean a designated strike zone,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, below the chin, above the belt buckle. Just

467
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: make sure a guy gets hit there, or if it's

468
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: a little bit lower, a little bit high, let it

469
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Speaker 1: go slightly, you know what I mean, If it's not

470
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Speaker 1: a clear cut headshot, like the guy's trying to decapitate

471
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Speaker 1: the quarterback and he just makes contact with the helmet.

472
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be fifteen right, That's that's that's ridiculous. I

473
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Speaker 1: wish we have a chance to review that as well.

474
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, And you know, there's the targeting

475
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Speaker 1: penalty in college football. Then people sometimes it's not targeting.

476
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: In the NFL, there's no targeting rule. It's unnecessary roughness.

477
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: It's a blow to the head now, and people can't

478
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Speaker 1: get ejected for doing things like that, and it's again

479
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: it's not targeting, but it is the type of penalty

480
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: that is just basically so unnecessary and so flagrant that

481
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be thrown out of the game, right,

482
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Those things I think also should be subject to review.

483
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: That is the one thing that I think is good

484
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: about the targeting penalty in college football is that those

485
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: things are automatically reviewed. Now, what I don't necessarily like

486
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Speaker 1: is that you get ejected just straight away if it

487
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: is determined that you made a targeting penalty, because some

488
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 1: of those seem to me like they are football plays

489
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Speaker 1: and if you're making yes, I think that some should

490
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Speaker 1: be fifteen yards, and I think some should be automatic objection.

491
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Speaker 1: And if you get into that, obviously you're you're, you know,

492
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Speaker 1: probably defining a gray area that is too large, right,

493
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Speaker 1: That's why it's That's why it either is or it isn't.

494
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: You're rejected or you're not. But I think that is

495
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Speaker 1: maybe the trend of where the NFL is starting to

496
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Speaker 1: go in terms of penalties and things. I can kind

497
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Speaker 1: of tell as a former defensive player, when a guy

498
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Speaker 1: has a choice to bury a guy or not, when

499
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: it's unnecessary and when it is like a football play,

500
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Speaker 1: if you can tell by the guy's head if he's

501
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: just if he takes a look to his left and

502
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: there's contact, the guy had hardly had a chance to

503
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: brace himself for that shot, you know what I mean. Yeah,

504
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: it looks worse than what it was. But if you've

505
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: got two or three steps and you actually place target

506
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: your helmet to where you want to to drop a guy, okay,

507
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: then you're not playing football today, right, You're playing for

508
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. You're trying to make a name for yourself.

509
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah you should be ejected. Yeah, that's the type of

510
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: stuff we're trying to get rid of in football, period.

511
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: But come on, just use your head yes, yeah, yes,

512
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Speaker 1: I think that that's true too. So what is really

513
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: interesting about kind of all these rule changes, and we

514
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: mentioned his name, Sean Payton really was the champion of this,

515
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: and so the owner's meetings were going on in Phoenix

516
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Speaker 1: over the course of this week, and I read this

517
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Speaker 1: from Charles Robinson, who's an NFL reporter for Yahoo. He

518
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: wrote it took New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton arguing

519
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: his case to the competition committee and the media and

520
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: seemingly every reform. He spoke in the corridors of the

521
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: Blittmore Hotel to other coaches and executives. He also stood

522
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: in media scrumbs on sidewalks and sat for television interviews.

523
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: He even arrived twenty minutes early to the coach's breakfast

524
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, seemingly knowing he would have a room full

525
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Speaker 1: of reporters to himself. So you talk about a campaign,

526
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: that's what Sean Payton was gone. He wrote a strongly

527
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: worded letter to everyone. Yeah, well, I mean, look, he

528
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: should have. And it's not just against the rams. That

529
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: could have happened to anybody, against anyone, and that just

530
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: can't happen because really it overshadowed everything else in the postseason,

531
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Speaker 1: even the Super Bowl. It did you know, you're still

532
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: going back talking about this because it was that obvious.

533
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 1: It's something that needs to be fixed, and it's an

534
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: easy fix. It is. And so then this I thought

535
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: was kind of funny from the NFL Research Twitter account.

536
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: So it said the league voted to expand replay on

537
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: pass interference calls and made non call subject review. At

538
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: Saints fan's rejoice, but be careful what you wish for.

539
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: New Orleans was flagged for twenty defense of past interference

540
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: penalties last year, which was the most in the NFL.

541
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Speaker 1: And it put in eyes emoji there see somebody who

542
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: runs the NFL Research Twitter account as a sense of humor,

543
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: just saying your dvs are going out next right, Yeah right.

544
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: It affects everybody on defense, including your guys. Yeah. Well,

545
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: we'll see how this rule plays out. Um, Like I said,

546
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't turn into a mess, another quagmire. Well,

547
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: what we will have is in a review basically of

548
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: how this has gone a year from now. So this

549
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: is this is a one year rule change. So a

550
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: lot of these one year rule changes that have gone

551
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: on over the past few years have been been permanently

552
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: adopted the following year. So I'm thinking about kickoffs. Yeah,

553
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: like the rules last year. Yeah, I hated it before.

554
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. What do you mean the rules change,

555
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fine with the way kickoffs are now, Yes,

556
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: where they only have dick three guys beyond wherever, and

557
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: then everybody's got to line up on the kickoff team

558
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. The old kickoff was a

559
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: concussion machine, yes, guaranteed. So I'm fine with that being

560
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: out of the game. And I like it that you're

561
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: experimenting for a year to see how it works, and

562
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: if we like it, we keep going with it. If not,

563
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: we can always go back right exactly. And then another

564
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: rule change that is sort of of this nature where

565
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: it was a one year thing and then they permanently

566
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: adopted it was point after touchdowns being from being thirty

567
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: three yards instead of you know, picking it from the

568
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: two yard line. Right. I still like that one really. Yeah,

569
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Pat was kind of a token play back in the day,

570
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, I mean, and it was unnecessarily rough

571
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: for the guys that had the block, believe me, I know,

572
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: especially like they changed that you couldn't like run through

573
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: the long snapper, yes, right, so you had to give

574
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: him a wide berth, but it was still just a

575
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: token play. You can't get there fast enough to block

576
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: a pat. The ball's up too high, right, it's office

577
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: foot and it's up, it's gone. So what are we

578
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: really doing out make it, Make it a little challenging

579
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: for him and give us a chance to get to

580
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: it on the other side. I like that. Yeah. What

581
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: I remember Peter King saying or writing about this as

582
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: it was sort of going on, was that the pat

583
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: had become a non competitive play, and you want it

584
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: to be a competitive play because it's a competitive game.

585
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: So that I think it is now more of a

586
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: competitive play. And kickers are still making them routinely, which

587
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: they should. It's the point after touchdown, right like that that?

588
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: I like that. There were some Missus kickers had a

589
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: bad year last year. Yes, my gods had a rough year. Yeah, man,

590
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: it was rough. It was rough. But if you think

591
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: it's non competitive, even from up close, watch what happens

592
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: to the offensive lineman. These guys they just know, you

593
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: can tell, I'm just gonna have to stand here and

594
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: just take a shot to the head. Yes, yeah, for

595
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: about three seconds and then try to stumble back to

596
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: the sideline. Yeah, it's probably not fun. Well, I mean, look,

597
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: I can't block it, so I might as well just

598
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: knock your head off, you know what I mean. It's

599
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: a fair trade. You just scored on me, I guess.

600
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean as we play glory days, like I'm thinking

601
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: of when I was on point after stuff in high school. Yeah,

602
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: and like that was one of all these favorite things

603
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: you just stat like. I didn't like that. I didn't

604
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: like being on kickoff or return, Like, I like, just

605
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: kick it please? Can we go for two? Kickoff return

606
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: was fun? Really? Oh yeah, I didn't really, especially when

607
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: you had a trapping kick return. Yeah. Yeah, so you

608
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: catch guys when they're not looking. That was fun. Oh

609
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: my god, that was fun. Yeah. The guy, I mean

610
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: the guy like you're like way away and he has

611
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: no idea you're coming. Yeah, and he's just running like

612
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: a skull of the dog straight down to you. All

613
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm about to make a big play. Mom watches bang

614
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: he's out. Yeah, so much money. Yes, that probably was fun.

615
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: My one memory from being on a kickoff return team. Yeah,

616
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: so I think it was the second game of my

617
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: sophomore year, right, and I was on the front line

618
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: one of those five. And you know the rule is

619
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: always make sure the ball goes over your head before

620
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you start running backwards. So I was like probably late

621
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: in the first half and they kick it right to me,

622
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: oh boy, and I fell on it went into the wound.

623
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: As coach Walton used to say, we had our possession. Nice,

624
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: good for you. Yeah, what number were you earning? Seventy four?

625
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: How much did you weigh? Probably like one? Yeah, kick

626
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: it right to seventy four? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Yeah.

627
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Showed them. I showed them. I love it. Yeah, So

628
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: that's that's my one. Love it, love it love. I've

629
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: never told that story on the podcast before. I thought

630
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: you did once. I think you did once. I'm turning

631
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: into my grandfather. Then that's cool. I think you did one.

632
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Just repeating stories because I think I told the story

633
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: where I got blown up the same show on kick Return.

634
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't cuss on the podcast. I don't

635
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: want to. But I'm counting the people like who I'm

636
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to block, And there's like dB dB, linebacker dB,

637
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like one, two that's me. Why did you

638
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: say that? One two? Damn? That's me again. Let me

639
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: count again. One two, damn. I got the linebacker and

640
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: he came down and just blew me up, Miles. I

641
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: swear he blew me up so bad and I could

642
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: hear my wife's voice. Oh honey, were seventy thousand people.

643
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: It was horrible. Oh my god, he splattered me. Oh yeah,

644
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: oh honey, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was bad. Yeah. Anyway,

645
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: year that was nineteen ninety seven or eight, nineteen ninety eight,

646
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: the year before playing the Carolina Panthers in Carolina or

647
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis. This dude, I mean, he was He

648
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: was a linebacker fast as I don't know what, and

649
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: he got up on me so quick, like you said,

650
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't leave until he said go. Yeah, right, so

651
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the go. And when he said go,

652
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I turned around. It was just a face full of

653
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: panther bam. Yeah. Oh yeah, honey, oh well, oh yeah,

654
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: speaking of getting laid out like that, yeah yeah. Other

655
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: rule changes this year, the owners voted to eliminate all

656
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: blind side blocks, so not just those to the head

657
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: and neck areas, so to increase safety on punts another place.

658
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: How how do you how do you eliminate all blind

659
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: side blocks? You know, how am I supposed to block

660
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: you if if I'm coming to your blindside? I think

661
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: part of it is you basically just have to not

662
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: really try to engage that person in a violent manner.

663
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: If you're like lowering the shoulder. I remember seeing you

664
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: can't blow you up right. Basically on some punt returns,

665
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: what you'd see is guys, yes, like they come up

666
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: and then they kind of like splay themselves out, you know,

667
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: and nobody can see me what I'm doing. Practice tempo

668
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: like what you're seeing special teams practice like your wall

669
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: guy is off. You don't really hit them, Yes, you

670
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: just kind of, you know, put your arms out. You

671
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: try to wall yourself off from hitting that from that

672
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: defender or you know player on the opposite team that

673
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: you're trying to block on those particular plays. Um, and

674
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: so that is it's a it's a matter of player safety, Okay,

675
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that's why they're doing it. Is this in the open

676
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: field or is this blind side blocks? Period? It's all

677
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: blind side? Oh? Good, trap plays are illegal now, no,

678
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so that's a blind side shot. I

679
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: can't see it coming. Wham play should be illegal. I

680
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think that's what they mean by that,

681
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: because I think in order, I think it probably does.

682
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: What you're saying is probably in the open field because

683
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: you can't just take out a trap. That's a staple

684
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: of offenses. But it's it's a guaranteed blindside shot. That's

685
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: why they call it a trap. I wouldn't necessarily That's

686
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: why that's why it's named trap. And wham. I know,

687
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see this coming. Boom. You know,

688
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, But I think at the

689
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: same time, it's more you don't see it coming. But like,

690
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: if I'm the left guard and it's what twenty two

691
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: trap or whatever you can call it, right, so you're

692
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: pulling on the side as you're trapping the three technique

693
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: over to the right side. If I'm coming that way,

694
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: my job is to get my head inside on the

695
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage so that I'm pushing him out. It's

696
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: not just to just blow him up because he can't

697
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: see me. He's coming coming up the field. That guy

698
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: is coming to decleet you. He's not trying to get

699
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: his head on the inside to root you out. He's

700
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: coming to knock you out. He is. Come on, dude,

701
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. If you the outside foot

702
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: of the guard to the next three technique is what

703
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: a good six yards? Yeah, that's a pretty good piece.

704
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: That's three good hard steps. That guy's in full sprint

705
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: by the time he makes contact. That's what I'm saying. So,

706
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: if you're going to eliminate all blind side blocks, then

707
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: traps are illegal. Great, good for us. No, you know

708
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: that's not how it works, defender. No one cares about us. See,

709
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you. Yeah, but I'm saying I

710
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: just I wouldn't necessarily call it trap play a blind

711
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: side block. I hear your argument. I do. It's in

712
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: the name of the play. It's called a trap. Why

713
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: do you think they call it a trap because we're

714
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: trapping you? Yes, because you can't see trap boom. No.

715
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: The trap heart is that you're lead. You thinking that

716
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: he's the defender is supposed to be thinking that he's unblocked,

717
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: and then another guy is going to come and hit

718
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: you in front of you in your line of sight.

719
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Sort of as I say this, I'm like oh no,

720
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: I sound like an idiot. Thank you. There's a quarterback,

721
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: there's action coming at you. The last thing you're thinking

722
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: of is the next guy coming from the side. You

723
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: can't see him blind side shot. You should have been

724
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: in the room, But I don't think they voted to

725
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: eliminate trap plays. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, Like that's

726
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So power is going to be illegal too,

727
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: because you're pulling the guard and the power he's turning back.

728
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: He's turning up on a guy and you're usually scoring

729
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: up to hit. There's a kickout block, sure, yes, but

730
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: that guy has a chance to see it coming because

731
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: the tackle is blocking down a trap play. You were

732
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: running straight up the field and getting hit in the

733
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: side of the head. Side of it if you don't

734
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: see it, If you don't see it coming, you're not

735
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: supposed to get hit in the side of the head.

736
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: That means you're probably playing too high. If you get

737
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: hit in the side of the head, that's wow. Never

738
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: mind anyway, So blind side shots are going to be illegal,

739
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: NAT blind side They voted to eliminate all blind side blocks.

740
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: Was there just those a neck area to increase safety?

741
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: Mumps was there a bad blind side shot this year?

742
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Was there somebody knocked out? I can't recall. Okay, I

743
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: don't remember one. I don't remember a bad night on

744
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: call or a bad call or somebody got injured because

745
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: of that. Okay, but good make it safer, yes, yeah,

746
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: but I mean, look, it is still football, right, we

747
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: still have pads on. Yes, So you can't legislate out

748
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: all the violence of this game. Absolutely not. Yeah. So

749
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: one of the tweets that someone set when you sent

750
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: out mail back questions was is the NFL getting too soft? Well,

751
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: it can't get completely soft. We're still wearing pads. It's

752
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: still a physical, violent game. You're just trying to make

753
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: it a little bit safer. Exactly. Yeah, yes, yes, So

754
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: to that end, so, and we mentioned this, they made

755
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: permanent the twenty eighteen changes to the kickoff rule. So

756
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: again that it's it's it's an effort to to heightened

757
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: players safety and things like that. They tabled a proposal

758
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: that was originally put forth by the Kansas City Chiefs

759
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: to guarantee each team a possession in overtime. Yeah. I

760
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: like that one, you do. I like that idea. I

761
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: did play defense. That's great, well, how do you like it?

762
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I say, play defense, But I agree with you. I look,

763
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who wins the toss in overtime, offense

764
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: and defense gets paid. So if defense goes out first,

765
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm expecting you to get to stop and get the

766
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: ball back. Yes, that's your job. That's your job. But

767
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to say make it fair, but at

768
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: least give the other team a chance to score, to

769
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: give them the ball, give them a possession. That makes

770
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: that makes it a little more balance to me, maybe

771
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: a little more balanced than just one drive. You get it,

772
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: you win, that's it, you know what I mean. So basically,

773
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: you're you're saying that somebody's defense has to make a stop,

774
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: whether it's yours or the other team. Right, it should

775
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: be fair. It should it's at least one possession. It

776
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: should be balanced. I don't mind, I don't like it.

777
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: I just I think that somebody should have to say, like, okay, look,

778
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: I understand that the rules of the game are so

779
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: favored to the offense, but as at a certain point,

780
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: you gotta play defense, right Like that, right if you

781
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: have no defense, Like what if your defense is I mean,

782
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: but what if it's lackluster and it's not very good.

783
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: It's not your best unit, and you lose the toss. Well,

784
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 1: that's that's not your control. That's a flip of the coin.

785
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: So your best way to win is sitting on the

786
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: sideline without a chance. That's not fair. Well, that's not fair.

787
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: I mean, on the flip of the coin. That's not fair. Well,

788
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: you have to I mean, as you just said, those

789
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: guys get paid too, right, I mean, but so what

790
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: if your defense isn't great, Like if you want to

791
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: put out put the Ravens out there, you know, the

792
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: two thousand Ravens or the Legion of Boom back in

793
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: the day, great lead with defense, they probably win the game.

794
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: But what if you lose the toss and you got

795
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: to put your weaker unit on the field against their

796
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: best unit. Well, that's not fair. It's just chance. Well

797
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: that's chance. No, that's well, I don't want to I

798
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: don't want this to come down to chance. Okay, I

799
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: mean that's fair. I hear you on that, And I

800
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: guess if it's just one possession then whatever. But I

801
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't mind thee If you kick a

802
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: field goal, then the other team when it gets to

803
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: have the ball back, but if you score a touch down,

804
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: you win. I don't like that. I don't know, I

805
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: don't mind it the way it is, all right, well,

806
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: I mean it just it depends on what on how

807
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: you're looking at it. If if you're clearly an offensive

808
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: minded football team, right, your whole draft, free agency, everything

809
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: about you was offensive, and you lose a toss and

810
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: you don't get to put that that unit on the

811
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: field to win the game. I mean, this is what

812
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: happened to the Kansas City exactly in the AFC Championship.

813
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: That would be frustrating to me. Yes, you don't get

814
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity to take the field. Yes, well that's and

815
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: that's left up to a coin that's not football. Yes,

816
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: that's gambling. You know what I make it balanced? Right?

817
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: There was a proposal voted down that came from the

818
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos to give teams a one time option in

819
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter to have a fourth and fifteen from

820
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: their thirty five yard line as an as an alternative

821
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: to an onside kick. So that's kind of like what

822
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: they're doing in the aaf we've seen that as an

823
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: alternative to an onside kick. Give you a fourth and fifteen. Okay,

824
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: So if we stop you, where do we get the football?

825
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Probably wherever you stop them. I'm all in favor of it.

826
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, fourth and fifteen is almost impossible. It is.

827
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: It's very hard. Good. I want to see somebody take

828
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: that bet, go ahead, gamble on a fourth and fifteen,

829
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: because when you don't get it, I get the ball

830
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, I mean, and I'm gonna cram right

831
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: back down. It's an alternative to an onside kick. So

832
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: it's like it's sort of the same, you know, like

833
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather onside kick. Really yeah, I think

834
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather onside kick. Take your chances there. Yeah, and

835
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: even if you got like a quarterback, that's you know,

836
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: blah blah blah brock. It's kind of funny. Well, on

837
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: an onside kick, I can isolate two or three guys

838
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: and play football against them, versus a fourth and fifteen

839
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: against eleven. Yeah yeah, okay with with a chance of blitzing.

840
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: You can't blitz the kicker, you know what I mean. Yeah,

841
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: but I can blitz a quarterback. I can make it

842
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: really tough for you to make that. I can even

843
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: let you complete it and then bring you down before

844
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: you get to the yard markers. Sure, yeah, but on

845
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: side kick it's you better hope you practice this thing

846
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: well on the other side, no doubt. All right. A

847
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: couple more rules that got approved. They approved a proposal

848
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: that gives teams a choice in the time timing of

849
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: enforcement on a personal foul or in sportsman like conduct.

850
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: After a scoring play, the artists can now be marked

851
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: off either on the extra point or on the kickoff.

852
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: They voted to allow the NFL's officiating department to eject

853
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: players for flagrant fouls from the New York Command Center. Previously,

854
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: it could eject players for non football acts such as

855
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: punching or fighting, but only referees could eject players for

856
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: flagrant hits. And they voted to use competitive tie breakers

857
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: rather than a coin flip for most ties in determining

858
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: drafting order. So there was a lot there. Yes, yeah,

859
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: ESPN summed up all of those rules. So now players

860
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: can be thrown out from New York for stuff that's

861
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: notat flagged are called Yes, big brother is watching you,

862
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: Big brother is watching you? Yes? Yeah, wow, nowhere to

863
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: hide now, right, So it's flagrant football fouls. So you've

864
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: got to be like, you know, if the officials on

865
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: the field don't see it, and there's something that is

866
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: seen on replay, that's something that you can then be ejected.

867
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: So Taylor Luan can be thrown out for being dirty maybe.

868
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a foul, yes called or not called, right,

869
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: so it doesn't say that it's his flagrant football fouls? Okay,

870
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: so if he gets away with a leg whip, New

871
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: York can see it and throw the guy out. I

872
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know that that is unclear from what I just Okay,

873
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: it seems like not necessarily. I wonder who's going to

874
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: be first to get ejected for a flagrant foul? Yeah,

875
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: from New York. We probably have the same name. Vantes

876
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Perfect will be the first guy thrown out? Well, I

877
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: mean he's probably gonna be thrown out the field, right, Wow,

878
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: this will be interesting. Yeah. Does any other sport do that?

879
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Does hockey do that? I don't know, I'm not sure. Okay,

880
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I have to check into that. Yeah, I don't know.

881
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't I watch enough hockey to make that determination

882
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: or not they do. But yeah, so those are all

883
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: the new and interesting. Yeah, Jose was a longer rules

884
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: discussion than I thought we were going to have. That's cool.

885
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, every year there's gonna be, you know, tweaks

886
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: to the rules. Um, some are good, some are bad,

887
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: some are gonna go away. Yes, you know what I mean.

888
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: But I think you should be trying different things. I

889
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: love baseball, everybody loves baseball, but I hate these strict

890
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: adherents too. Well, this is the way we've played it forever. Sure,

891
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: you need to evolve with the times. Guys are bigger, stronger, faster,

892
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: especially in football. So if any sports needs to tinker

893
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: with rules, it's professional football. I would agree with that.

894
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: All right. So let's talk a little bit more about

895
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown because last episode I definitely said that I

896
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think the Rams would match that offer. That

897
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: was before the contract details, at least I was aware

898
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: of them. So Malcolm Brown did sign that offer sheet

899
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: two years about three point two five million, where the

900
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: reported terms, and I guess if I had seen that

901
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: then I probably would have been like, oh, the Rams

902
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: can probably match it unless there is some kind of

903
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: poison pill in the contract, and apparently there was not,

904
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: because they did match the deal, and that means Malcolm

905
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: Brown is going to be back with the Rams under

906
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: contract for the next two years. Wow. He's the right

907
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: type of guy for anybody's team. He is. He's a

908
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: team guy. He brings it heart and soul to practice

909
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: and in games. I'm glad they brought him back. I

910
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: think he's the perfect backup or the running back number

911
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: two to Todd Gurley. If in a pinch, you had

912
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: to start Malcolm Brown, you'd feel comfortable that day if

913
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: you had to, If you scored thirty five points and

914
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to rest Todd and let Malcolm clean it up.

915
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: He's perfect for that. I think we said this at

916
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: the end of the year. If it wasn't if Malcolm

917
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt, everything that we talked about with C. J. Anderson,

918
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: we would have talked about with Malcolm Brown, maybe even

919
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: more so. So. I'm glad they brought him back to

920
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: the fold. I mean really, I mean it's unfinished business.

921
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: He's a part of this. He's been around long enough.

922
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: I think he wants to finish here. That makes a

923
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Yeah, I totally agree with you. And

924
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: you know we've said that on the program multiple times

925
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: that you know, if Malcolm Brown had not gotten hurt,

926
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: then you probably would have said the same things about

927
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: him that we said about C. J. Anderson. And so

928
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: it's good to have guys that have chemistry in that

929
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: backfield and they know how to play off of one another,

930
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: and they because they've been doing it since really their

931
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: rookie year. You know, Malcolm Brown came in as an

932
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: undrafted guy out of Texas back in twenty fifteen, same

933
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: year the Rams drafted Todd Griley number ten overall. So

934
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: they've been around each other. They understand how each other works.

935
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: And I think if you're going to monitor Todd Griley

936
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: snaps more, which the Rams continually say that they will,

937
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: that's the guy you want on the field absolutely, because

938
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: there's no drop off, no not at all. I mean,

939
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: he brings it just as he's a thousand yard back

940
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: on another football team, right confident in saying that, no doubt,

941
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: and everything that we say about Cooper Cup to the

942
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: positive off the field, you can say about Malcolm Brown.

943
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: Same type guy. He brings it, he loves it. He's

944
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: about team. He's about team first. When you start talking

945
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: about we not me, you can look at him. He

946
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: is a we not me type guy. I mean in

947
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: every sense of the word. So I was gonna be

948
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: happy for him going to Detroit if he had a

949
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: situation where he was gonna get the ball more. Great

950
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: for Malcolm, but it would hurt here because you're gonna

951
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: be losing a strong team guy on this roster. It's

952
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to replace. Now that he's back, great,

953
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: so you don't miss a beat. Well, I think he

954
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: was hard to replace even last year when he went down.

955
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: And I remember Sean McVeigh saying that when the injury

956
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: was announced, and you know, I think somebody asked him, Okay,

957
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: is there a silver lining here in that you will

958
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: get to play some younger players maybe before the postseason?

959
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, guys like Justin Davis, John Kelly and Sean

960
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: McVay said, I don't really think so, because of everything

961
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: that Malcolm Brown means to this team. You know, this

962
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: is a big loss for us, and I think it

963
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: really was. And if not for C. J. Anderson, you know,

964
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: who knows where the Rams would have been heading into

965
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the postseason. Right, oh boy, right right? And I don't

966
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: mean that to in a way to put anybody down

967
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: who's on the Rams and is a running back. Right now,

968
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: and it is so young. But I think we saw

969
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: just how critical that position was when Todd Gurley went down. Well,

970
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: on that note, I can't wait to see this version

971
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: of John Kelly. Okay, yeah, I want to see what

972
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: he brings to the table. Got a little taste, they

973
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: had to go in a different direction. Weren't ready. You

974
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: weren't ready for primetime. So going into year two, all

975
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: that's out the window. Now, let's see you perform. Yes,

976
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: let's see you earn a role on this team. Carve

977
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: out a niche on this football team if you can. Yes, yeah,

978
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: and he's gonna have a chance to do that. I

979
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: think there's a lot that you can learn from year

980
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: one to year two. I mean just going into the

981
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: league knowing what the league is all about, and having

982
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: an entire offseason program to work with the team that

983
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, when you know the offense, you know everything

984
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: that's going around, you know the personalities in the building

985
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: that could only help you. So, yeah, there could be

986
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: more of a role for John Kelly in twenty nineteen.

987
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: When didn't you get your first parking ticket? Remember, no,

988
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know did you pay it right away? Did

989
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: I pay it right away? Probably? I don't know, Yeah

990
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: I didn't. I tend to pay parking tickets right away,

991
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: like learning from year one to year two. First parking

992
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: ticket off, just park can take it, no big deal,

993
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: throw it in the golf compartment. Didn't think about it

994
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: for like two months, right, okay, until it reminded me

995
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: it needs to be paid, and it doubled. Yeah, you're right,

996
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: and you can be taken to jail, like if you

997
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: don't pay. Oh, you were serious. That's year one, the

998
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: year two. Oh you were serious about all this. Yes,

999
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: we are very serious about pass protection, getting in the

1000
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: weight room, everything that it takes to be a pro.

1001
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: All that rookie stuff out the window. Now you're expected

1002
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: to produce. Yes, no ifans or butts. We were a

1003
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: pro now, yes, yeah, no doubt about. It can be fired.

1004
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: They can be in a heartbeat. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,

1005
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: in any you know, and that'sn't any profession. Yeah, that

1006
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: college won't stop producing rookies every year. There's gonna be

1007
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: a rookie at your position too. Yeah, especially at that

1008
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: special especially at running back. So year one, year two,

1009
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: when you move into year two, you have to start producing,

1010
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: right yeah, right, So Sean mcvack did say, um yesterday

1011
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: at that breakfast as well, that the Rams are probably

1012
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: pretty set at running back. It didn't close the door

1013
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: lee on bringing back c. J. Anderson, But essentially what

1014
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: he was saying is that with Malcolm Brown as the

1015
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: number two to Todd Gurley, that's who they're probably going

1016
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: to roll with. And he said never say never, But

1017
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: obviously he expressed appreciation for what c. J. Anderson did.

1018
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: But I think at least as of right now, the

1019
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Rams are probably not going to bring c. J. Anderson back. Wow. Wow,

1020
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: Well I hope he gets a job somewhere too. I do.

1021
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look like you said, the guy rumbles, man,

1022
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it does. I mean, but didn't it strike you

1023
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: just as as this guy is rumbling through Dallas, rumbling

1024
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: through the San Francisco forty nine ers in the Arizona Cardinals,

1025
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: two teams that weren't really great on defense. But he

1026
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: is just rumbling up the field, right, Why was this

1027
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: guy available? Yes? It made you wonder, right right, Wow,

1028
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: this guy's killing it? Why was he available? Maybe there's

1029
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: something we don't know, you know what I mean? Maybe

1030
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: I don't know? Yeah, who knows? I mean, from all

1031
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: my dealings with him, I wouldn't understand that. Good Lord,

1032
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,479
Speaker 1: this guy is good. Yeah, how did the Rams wind

1033
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,479
Speaker 1: up getting him? Lucky? Lucky, very lucky. So we'll see

1034
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: what happens there, But obviously wish C J. Anderson all

1035
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: the best. Before we get out of here, though, I

1036
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: do want to talk a little bit about Clay Matthews

1037
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: because now we know a little more about the role

1038
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: that he will play on the Rams defense. So in

1039
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: that press conference last week that he had with Sean

1040
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: McVay and lesson that got brought up, and so McVeigh said,

1041
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, when you get in some of those known

1042
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: passing situations, you can get creative with where you will

1043
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: move Clay Matthews around. Those exciting things for us as

1044
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: coaches to think about. Absolutely, he can come from just

1045
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: about You can line him up anywhere, and he can

1046
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: blitz or blitz or rush from just about anywhere right

1047
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: depending on which matchup you want to get on him.

1048
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: If the running back is weak, if he's not good

1049
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Speaker 1: at pass protection, you're going to find a way to

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Speaker 1: make sure Clay Matthews gets on him. If you've got

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Speaker 1: a left or right tackle, or depending on if Fowler

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Speaker 1: is manning one spot. If your right tackle is weak

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Speaker 1: or your left guard is weak, find a way to

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Speaker 1: get Matthews over the top of him outside of Donald

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Speaker 1: right right, He's going to find a way to get there.

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Speaker 1: He the guy's done it for years. He's very versatile,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly what you get when you

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Speaker 1: have a veteran like that, who who comes in knows

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Speaker 1: what he's capable of doing, has the experience of doing

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Speaker 1: it at a high level for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: That is why you bring in someone like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I'm Samson, I was steal every move he had.

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Speaker 1: I would I would. I would steal everything he had,

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Speaker 1: even in practice when he throws one in a one

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Speaker 1: on one pass for US rep. Hey, what did you

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Speaker 1: just do there? Yeah? Yeah, show me how to do it.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like on him, like kids are on long snappers.

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Speaker 1: How do you do this? Show me how to do this?

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Speaker 1: You know, teach me something? Yeah yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: guy's got an innatability just to break hands down and

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Speaker 1: get get instant pressure on quarterback. So yeah, from anywhere,

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Speaker 1: standing up down, from an outside linebacker spot, from an

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker spot, he can get pressure on the quarterback right,

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Speaker 1: And he even said, you know, I expect my position

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Speaker 1: to be fluid, So that means that you will probably

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Speaker 1: line him up at inside sometimes. But he's going to

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Speaker 1: be really I think the outside linebacker, the pass rushing

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Speaker 1: specialist that he's been throughout the course of his career.

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Speaker 1: The best tweeter I've ever seen in my lifetime is

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Speaker 1: William McGinnis. Oh yeah, what position does William McGinnis play

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Speaker 1: A question mark? Question mark? Question mark? It depends on

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Speaker 1: who you're playing, like outside linebacker, kind of defensive end.

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Speaker 1: It depends on who you're playing and how you're using him.

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews is almost to that degree, except he can't

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Speaker 1: play defensive end. Right. Yeah, he can't go inside if

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Speaker 1: you need to. But you'll never know as an offense

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Speaker 1: where he's gonna be. But you know one thing, when

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Speaker 1: the ball snapped, he's going to be on top of

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Speaker 1: your quarterback. I think it's gonna be really interesting to

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Speaker 1: have guys like to Leave, like Eric Widdle, like Clay Matthews,

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Speaker 1: all on the same defense with a guy like Aaron

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Speaker 1: Donald as well, who Now, I mean, he's the best

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Speaker 1: at his position in the league. Did we talk about

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Speaker 1: wet all. Yet we talked a little bit about we

1095
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Speaker 1: really did I tell you he was smart with his body?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I love safeties. Safeties can be intimidators,

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Speaker 1: they can be assassins. Those are the guys that hit

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Speaker 1: themselves out of the league inside of five years. It's

1099
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Speaker 1: a great five years, you know what I mean? Yes,

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Speaker 1: like one hundred thousand dollars in fines right at some

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Speaker 1: big shots, some big wild players. But you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to replace that guy. He is so smart. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: knows how to get to the intersect point without having

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Speaker 1: to just you know, unload himself on a guy. You

1105
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: don't waste a shot. So smart with it. That's how

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Speaker 1: you get to be that experience playing that position, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Right? Yeah, Yeah, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to talking to more football with those guys once they're

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Speaker 1: here for the offseason program, just because when you've got

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Speaker 1: guys that are, you know, in the league for ten

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Speaker 1: plus years, they just have so much knowledge. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm a sky in person. I like soaking

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Speaker 1: that up. It's fun. Yeah, Yeah, I want to hear

1114
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Speaker 1: them break down the other quarterbacks, what they like, where

1115
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Speaker 1: they like how they How how did you defend Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson when you played him? Yeah? You know, how did

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Speaker 1: you defend X, Y and Z when you had to

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Speaker 1: play against him? This is what we did, and this

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Speaker 1: is how what he likes to do. Love that stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're we're gonna have to go over to Calu. Bring

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Speaker 1: the podcast stuff. Let's go. Absolutely yes, yeah, for sure?

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Speaker 1: All right? Any other parting shots? None? None, absolutely none,

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Speaker 1: nothing nothing awesome good stuff, good stuff, yes, great stuff,

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Speaker 1: great stuff. Thanks for listening in the podcast. Please usually

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Speaker 1: you do, yes, I have pay Do you have a

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Speaker 1: party shop? Really? No, thank you very much. If my

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Speaker 1: job is to ask you if you have the party?

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Speaker 1: Where is that written in the in the rule book?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's an unwritten rule. It's like baseball

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Speaker 1: Opening Day starts tomorrow. Everybody challenge that. Okay, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that that wasn't changed in the built anyway.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for so much for listening to Between the Horns everybody,

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