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Speaker 1: You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two on this Wednesday, Dan and The

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Speaker 1: Danas Dan Patrick Show. Philip Rivers has announced his retirement.

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Speaker 1: Our poll question, is he a first ballot Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer mclovin update the poll results from the first hour. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: we pulled an audible. We did the Joe Flacco versus

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Speaker 1: Phil Rivers pole. All right, explain the Philip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Pole,

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Speaker 1: Paul Okay. Whose career would you want? And why Phil Rivers?

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Speaker 1: Sixty three thousand yards, four and twenty one touchdowns, eight

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Speaker 1: time Pro Bowler. Philip Rivers was five and seven in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, never made it in Super Bowl. Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: forty one thousand yards, two hundred twenty four tds, A

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Speaker 1: lot less numbers, zero Pro Bowl appearances zero for Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: he was ten and five in the playoffs and is

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP. Whose career you want? And why

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers? Because he played every Sunday. He was durable.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe he wasn't the most gifted quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: he put up incredible numbers. And what eight time Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl player? You know you're in the Brady era. It's

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Speaker 1: like being in the Jordan era for Charles Barkley and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing. You just you know, your opportunities weren't gonna

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Speaker 1: He had talent around him, you know. Gates is a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, Ladanian Thomlinson a Hall of Famer. They

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Speaker 1: should have had more success. But I would take Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be a Hall of Famer. You know,

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Speaker 1: I will say with what we saw with Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco was a great, great postseason quarterback, or at

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Speaker 1: least very good. But all right, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we just change it to is Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: the first ballot Hall of Famer? Okay, we'll do that

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Speaker 1: an hour three. Can we do who should be the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback for the Colts next year? Because I have

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Speaker 1: no idea. Now, well, I don't think the Texans would

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Speaker 1: trade Deshaun Watson within the division to the Colts. But

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Speaker 1: it goes back to what I told you that I'd

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Speaker 1: learned prior to the draft and then after the draft,

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Speaker 1: that the Colts really loved Jordan Love and they were

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Speaker 1: going to take him. And that's why the Packers caught

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Speaker 1: wind of it from what I was told. They went

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Speaker 1: up and got Jordan Love, but the Colts would have

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Speaker 1: their quarterback and waiting. At least that's what I was told.

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Speaker 1: It was reinforced to me yesterday when I asked about this.

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Speaker 1: If Rivers decides to retire, and I just told they

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Speaker 1: would have had Jordan Love ready to go. Whether he's

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Speaker 1: a NFL starting quarterback, I don't know, but in their

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Speaker 1: minds that the Colts liked Jordan Love. Age seven seven

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Speaker 1: three d P Show email address dpit dan Patrick dot com,

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle at DPS show. Here's jj Watt a tweet

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Speaker 1: on Philip Rivers. I'll never forget lining up for a

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Speaker 1: play in Philip pointing to one of our linebackers and

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Speaker 1: telling him he was lined up wrong based off the

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Speaker 1: blitz we were about to run, and he was one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent correct about it. One of the smartest I

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Speaker 1: ever played against in a hell of a competitor. That's

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Speaker 1: jj Watt on Philip Rivers. Rivers ranks fifth all time

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Speaker 1: sixty three thousand passing yards. The eleven quarterbacks with at

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Speaker 1: least fifty thousand career passing yards. He's the only one

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Speaker 1: who never played in a Super Bowl. Most career passing yards,

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Speaker 1: three thousand. Then it's Warren Moon forty nine thousand, Carson

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Speaker 1: Palmer forty six, Vini Testaverdi forty six, Matthew Stafford forty five,

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Speaker 1: Dan Fouts at forty three thousand. Yeah, point, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: who would that compare to NBA wise, You know, Barkley

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Speaker 1: I think a couple of times. Yeah. Is there an

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Speaker 1: Ewing was in one, Elijah On one two. I can't

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Speaker 1: I'm mclen Dominique. Dominique did not playing of finals, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Out of the top like twenty players

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Speaker 1: The question is how much. Yeah, Paully, I don't think

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Speaker 1: to Philip Rivers. But Nash was a two time NBA right,

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Speaker 1: Nash is even better? Yeah, Nash. Nash was a better

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Speaker 1: Paul was alway. Yeah, maybe that's a fair comparison. Maybe

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Speaker 1: There's guys like Paul George, Chris Webber, Vince Carter, uh old,

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Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins was correct. Yeah, mclen Yeah, Carmelo's like a

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Speaker 1: do they combine them for Well, that's what people forget

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Speaker 1: is that it's the Basketball Hall of Fame. It's not

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Speaker 1: Joe Johnson, Oh I sorry, apologies for not leading with that.

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Speaker 1: Sydney Montcrief, Jermaine O'Neill, Keith and Virginia joins us. Hey Keith,

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? Dan uh six one

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Speaker 1: Two questions, real quick questions. Mclovely kind of stole my

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Speaker 1: thunder with the full question. But being at philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: or Tony Romo? And also I got the second question.

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Speaker 1: I heard you talking about surgery. I had my first

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Speaker 1: would be a procedure. This in from Alabama. Matt Zenith

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Speaker 1: says that Doug Marrone has been hired to coach the

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Speaker 1: Doug Morrow. This is one of those you know, ESPN

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Speaker 1: feels like Nick Saban, you know, you bring him in, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Fans basically pay the salaries. Players have responsibility to explain

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Speaker 1: the fans. And I know there's gray area, but Kyrie

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Speaker 1: myriad ways. The bottom line is Goodell, for right or wrong,

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Speaker 1: has the freedom, has the right to make the call,

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Speaker 1: make the judgment call there. What do you think now

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Speaker 1: about to Fleet date? I still and this is more

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Speaker 1: a feeling. It's not provable. I think something happened. I

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Speaker 1: think something happened. You know, here's the deal. I look

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Speaker 1: at the science from exponent or another company or another scientist,

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Speaker 1: and I think, well, that makes sense. And then I

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Speaker 1: read then I watch the guy from MIT, doctor Leonard,

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Speaker 1: and I think that makes sense. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: classes you took at UD, but no, when I was

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Speaker 1: in it, when I was in Indiana, I didn't take class.

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Speaker 1: I mean I took physics for poets, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean I I you know, I the Gay Lozac law.

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Speaker 1: What the hell do I know about that? So, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I read one Ivy League guy say they're guilty,

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably the case. When I read another

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Speaker 1: Ivy League guy who says that they are, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of beyond my comprehend, is what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, I just they've been doing this for years.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't something new to beat. The Colts and other

446
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks have told me privately that they've done this, that

447
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Speaker 1: they should be able to do this, that this is

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Speaker 1: one of those Well that's the rule, and then we're

449
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Speaker 1: gonna we got you, and then oh you're lying to me,

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Speaker 1: and then there's the deflator and all. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: just felt like it careened out of control. It didn't

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Speaker 1: need to. And the fact that you would do try

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Speaker 1: to do a makeup for spygate man, is that dangerous? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It is? It absolutely is. Yeah. I mean look when

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Speaker 1: I when I when I broke the story, I thought

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Speaker 1: this will be a two week story. I'll go, Boy,

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Speaker 1: was I wrong to wish you never sent that? Do

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Speaker 1: you wish you'd never I'm absolutely glad that I did,

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Speaker 1: because it was right Dan, whether they were guilty of

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Speaker 1: it or not. What I wrote was that they are

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Speaker 1: being investigated. That was correct. Now. Where I screwed up,

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Speaker 1: and I made this point in my in my column

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Speaker 1: the other day in The Athletic, was that I saw

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Speaker 1: what Moore had written about eleven of twelve balls being

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Speaker 1: two pounds per square inch underway and with it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking shots at more because I again, he's

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Speaker 1: a friend and I think he's great at what he does.

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Speaker 1: But he got used in that situation, and the mistake

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Speaker 1: I made was using that as he jumping off point

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Speaker 1: to viscerally react through tweets saying, you know, Belichick should

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Speaker 1: have his head on a platter. That was a mistake

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Speaker 1: by me. I got too far over my skis. But

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Speaker 1: but this now the real story is, and is somebody

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Speaker 1: going to do the real story on who is the

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Speaker 1: person inside the NFL who was leaking this false information,

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Speaker 1: because that's what I want to know. That's at the

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Speaker 1: crux of a lot of this. It feels like, Bob, I,

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Speaker 1: I don't you know the woman you spoke to who

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Speaker 1: is part of the documentary, Yeah, Julie Marrin. She says

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Speaker 1: the NFL delivered lied about things withheld information and spent

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Speaker 1: months digging into the construct to construct a narrative. To me,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they could do this has arguably the

483
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Speaker 1: most successful player in the league was pretty chilly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the story. Like they're doing this, they're eating their

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Speaker 1: own They're going after Brady. I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know that that's that's something they're

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Speaker 1: ever going to be, you know. I mean, certainly, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to talk about the people that I spoke with. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: Mort's not I think Mord has done a bit of

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Speaker 1: a maya culpa on it. I'm not completely sure, but

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Speaker 1: I think he has acknowledged that the information was not

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Speaker 1: was not correct. So, yeah, did you ever speak to Brady?

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Speaker 1: I never have. I never have. I'd love to. I

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Speaker 1: loved it everything. I mean, I got nothing to I've

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00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: got nothing to be ashamed of. I mean, they were

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Speaker 1: they were investigating. I wrote that they were investigating end

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Speaker 1: ups story. Oh, this is one of those. It's attached

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Speaker 1: to the Patriots, so it's going to live on forever.

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Speaker 1: If it was it was the Bengals, nobody would care.

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Speaker 1: But it was the Patriots, it's Tom Brady, and it'll

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Speaker 1: live on. It'll be part of the legacy of every

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Speaker 1: one of those those key ingredients there. It'll be on

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Speaker 1: my epitaph. Sadly, I was wondering how many lines in

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Speaker 1: to your epitat do they mention to flake Gate with

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Speaker 1: Bob Kravitz. Yeah, I gotta be and I'm not happy

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Speaker 1: about that necessarily. I like to think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've done thirty seven years of pretty solid work at

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Speaker 1: some really good publications. So I would not like that

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Speaker 1: to be the first line of the epitap, but I'll

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Speaker 1: take the second or third. Yeah, but Keith Oberman's going

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Speaker 1: to be in the first line of my epithat How

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Speaker 1: do you think I feel about that? That's depressing. No,

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Speaker 1: that's that we're forever intertwined, as you are with the fleet. Bob,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you, as always, good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, Dad. Thank you. That's Bob Kravitz works for

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Indianapolis Star columnists for a long time. It's

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Speaker 1: troubling that you had somebody inside the NFL. Now, not

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Speaker 1: that I'm that naive, but hey, you know we whipped

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Speaker 1: on spygate. Now let's go after them because we have

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Speaker 1: to fleet gate. So two wrongs are going to make

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Speaker 1: a right you know, you went. It's like what they

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Speaker 1: did with ray Rice. Remember when the commissioner went to

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Speaker 1: light on ray Rice and then then we saw the video.

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Speaker 1: Than the NFL doesn't handle these things very well. But

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Speaker 1: that to me is nefarious, And why do you it

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Speaker 1: felt like, and I don't know this for a fact,

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Speaker 1: that the owners said, hey, you gotta go after them

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Speaker 1: like you go after us. And I was told Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones said to the commissioner, you gotta go after them

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Speaker 1: like you go after us. Now, does that mean that

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Speaker 1: you're going to say, hey, let's create some false information.

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Speaker 1: Do I think that there's something going on in the Patriots? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do. Do I care? No, if you had somebody

534
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: who knew how Tom Brady wanted the footballs, I don't care.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to guess it wasn't just that one game.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess it's been as long as Tom has

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Speaker 1: been empowered to be able to say this is what

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Speaker 1: I want with the footballs, which is probably fifteen years.

539
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: But if somebody in the Home Office is sending out

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00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: false information just to prove a point to get them

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Speaker 1: back for Spygate, no matter what you think of the

542
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: Patriots in Brady, no matter what, remove that and just

543
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: say how would you feel if this was going on? Yeah? See, well,

544
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: that documentary sort of gets at that. It's not really

545
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: deflate gate, but they called deflect gate because at the

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Speaker 1: time League of Denial had just come out. They were

547
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: the league was wrapped up in concussion issues and they

548
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: also had a huge problem with domestic violence at the time,

549
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: and that this was sort of a not drummed up necessarily,

550
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: but it was like, Wow, this is a better story

551
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: to take away from all of the real problems that

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00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: the league is having. Yeah, hey, nothing to see over here,

553
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Come on over here, and we're going after Tom Brady.

554
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: We go after the you know, the the best players. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is like the NBA with Michael Jordan. You know,

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Speaker 1: was there something more to Michael going to play baseball

557
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: with the commissioner? Go after Michael Jordan? And people still

558
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: wonder that to this day, did the NBA do enough?

559
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Is there's something else there with Michael Jordan? Yeah? Boy,

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the timeline of this. After the

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Speaker 1: story came out and more the story came out, and

562
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: the story ramped up pretty big. Tom Brady two days

563
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: later did the press conference, and I wonder if Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady would have gone the other way in his press

565
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: comes because he denied everything. He said, We do nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: I've never instructed anybody, nothing, nothing, There's nothing to see here,

567
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: nothing like this happens. He must have said it thirty times.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Brady would have gone the other way,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they expected him too, and said like, yeah,

570
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: we we we make the football's how we like them,

571
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: just like every other quarterback does and should and it's

572
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: no big deal. Of course we did it, and they

573
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Speaker 1: probably would have been in like a small fine and

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Speaker 1: they're not gonna make them forfeit a football game. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if the NFL was banking on that, They're like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna call you guys out. You guys are gonna

577
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: eat this one and you take a little punishment, maybe

578
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Speaker 1: lose a draft pick. But Brady went the opposite way.

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Speaker 1: Nothing has happened here, and then the story went from

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Speaker 1: zero to one hundred? Where is the Deflata? Still one

581
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: of the great nicknames of all time? Hey, how'd you

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00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: get your name? I just a incidents? Yeah, one he

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00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: losing weight and they called him the deflator? Was that?

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Speaker 1: Was that? Also? Like they were trying to kind of

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Speaker 1: massage this, So of course his name's a deflata. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's been called that since he was a kid. Yeah. See,

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00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: which is funny too because when you see analysts and

588
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: they stopped playing like an NFL player will stop playing,

589
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: they get deflated, and you look at them on TV

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they lost one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty pounds. The one thing we always say is, oh,

592
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Speaker 1: somebody let the air out of him. Yeah, deflata. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much the deflator weighed before he

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Speaker 1: led all the air out of himself. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: the deflata. Yes, mcclem you know it one funny aspect

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Speaker 1: that Spike, who was the hardest pedally in the history

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Speaker 1: of the NFL at the time. Yeah, Like I didn't

598
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: know that they took it easy on the Patriot for

599
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: a videotaping malfunction. You know, yeah, I was. I do

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: kind of get what they're saying. But like I thought

601
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Speaker 1: they came down pretty hard on Spike Gate, as I recall,

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Speaker 1: I thought they came down, you know, harder than they

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Speaker 1: needed to on Spygate. I don't know, I didn't think

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: it was a you know what form it's enhancing drugs.

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Speaker 1: To me is I don't know if they treat that

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Speaker 1: the way they do some of these other things that

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Speaker 1: happen in the NFL. It's weird. It feels like it's

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Speaker 1: selective justice sometimes with this. All right, let me take

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call, first time caller one five

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Speaker 1: five six, all right, And you were on the subject

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Speaker 1: of Philip Rivers and great athletes that never made it

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Speaker 1: to a playoff game, whose career you'd rather have sty

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Speaker 1: brought up Philip Rivers, Steve Nash, you didn't bring up

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Speaker 1: major League Baseball, And I was thinking of Mike Troats,

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest baseball players that ever lived in

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Speaker 1: his living and has never made it to a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw it throw out in well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Lindcy. But his career is not over. Philip

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Speaker 1: rivers career is over, and so is Steve Nash. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Mike Trout, he's up there among the like he's going

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Speaker 1: to go down in baseball history as one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players of all time and if he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: any real postseason resume, then that'll stand out. We don't

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Speaker 1: hold we hold quarterbacks accountable when it comes to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Not not as much. It feels like when you get

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Speaker 1: to baseball. I mean, Mike Trout's twenty nine. He's got

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Speaker 1: another ten years playing, probably another seven years at a

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Speaker 1: you know, at an optimum level. Yeah. McLevin, our assistant

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Speaker 1: SATs guy, we call him the Basmanian Devil. Send a

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Speaker 1: list of guys who didn't make the World Series. Ken

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Speaker 1: Griffe Jr. That's a good one. Yeah, but nobody holds

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Speaker 1: him accountable for that. Adreaus at Ernie Banks rum. They

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Speaker 1: don't do. But if you're a quarterback, then we want

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Speaker 1: to know what you did in the postseason. Some people

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Speaker 1: pointed out six year deals are the result of teams

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Speaker 1: that may have messed up with their head coaching hires recently,

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Speaker 1: and they need to promise any candidate and actually themselves

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Speaker 1: that they won't hit the eject button again too quickly.

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Speaker 1: Tim Kawakami, the editor in chief of The Athletic San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: sent that out. I don't need to give Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: six years, so I over commit to somebody who is unproven.

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Speaker 1: So now you didn't solve the problem. You made the

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Speaker 1: problem worse. Dan Campbell would be thrilled to get a

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Speaker 1: head coaching job, and you gave him four years. Six years.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I got to wait for an entire

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Speaker 1: recruiting class to come in. This is in college. That's

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Speaker 1: why you're the Lions. We gotta have Dan Campbell. We

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Speaker 1: got to give him six year. If we do get

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Speaker 1: him six years, he's not coming. Where else was Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell going. He wasn't going to Philadelphia. He wouldn't going

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Speaker 1: to Texans. We gotta give him six years. He won

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Speaker 1: six years. He's not budging. All right, we'll get him

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Speaker 1: sick here. We gotta have Dan Campbell. I gotta yell

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Speaker 1: at Barry Sanders. I think Barry Sanders is going to

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Speaker 1: join us here soon. He's he was part of the

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Speaker 1: coaching hiring committee there Detroit. All right, Philip Rivers career

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Speaker 1: salary game, Paulie, you're ready, Yep, here's the music. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have some custom music, very special. Okay, probably haven't

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Speaker 1: heard this before. I haven't seventeen seasons for Phil career

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Speaker 1: salary for Phil Rivers, Dan you're gonna go first. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have You're gonna have the only guess. Why am

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Speaker 1: I gonna have the only guess? Because we get to

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Speaker 1: the filer's children. Oh? Okay, okay, uh two hundred nineteen million.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give his points there two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: three million, including this, all right, I was under a

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Speaker 1: lot of kids to um he has eight or nine

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Speaker 1: kids when we started the show, he had nine? Right,

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Speaker 1: he has nine children? Okay, without knowing any other names?

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Speaker 1: None of us know any of Philip rivers children's names.

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Speaker 1: Can anyone guess one of his children's names without just

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Speaker 1: by a stab in the dark. I'm gonna start with you, Todd,

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Speaker 1: Can you name one of Philip rivers children. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with a safe call of William, William William A

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Speaker 1: great guess. He's wrong. Philippina, the female version of Philip,

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Speaker 1: extremely wrong. She O'Connor junior. The third. I'm gonna say, talent,

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Speaker 1: talent t A L O N talent. I got it.

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Speaker 1: I just also wrong. I'm gonna give you a little hint, Dan,

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Speaker 1: he has six girls and three boys as of this second.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Sarah, Yes, that's one strong. Guests, do

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Speaker 1: you want to go you keep going to get it wrong, Grace, Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a hint. He's got three boys,

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Speaker 1: three boys, and this is a great name for a

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Speaker 1: young quarterback. Cade. Oh no, cult, No, Gunner, Gunner is crashed.

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Speaker 1: Oh gotta name your kid Gunner. We're crushing this game.

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Speaker 1: I was called Gunner when I was playing high school basketball,

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Speaker 1: and I that was a negative job. Man, Gunner, Sarah

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Speaker 1: and Grace. You could pretty much say any name. He

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Speaker 1: are gonna get it, or he would have a kid

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Speaker 1: to make you right. Yes, hey, I don't have one

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Speaker 1: of those, but I'm Goodna like Philip, he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a junior. He does not you know as of today, right,

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Speaker 1: final hour coming up, Tiffany. His wife is the one

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Speaker 1: should be retiring, by the way she should retire. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that she is retiring, right. He should go

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Speaker 1: pick up some jobs. He's gonna be doing high school football.

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Speaker 1: I like I like Rivers. Whenever he was on, I

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Speaker 1: liked him and h I thought he might go into TV,

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Speaker 1: but he said he always wanted to be a high

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Speaker 1: school football coach in his hometown and he's going back there.

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Speaker 1: It's good for him. Final hour coming up. More phone calls.

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