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Speaker 1: Good morning to you all.

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Speaker 3: Was your Game four experience a happy one with the

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Speaker 3: Nuggets going up three to one in the series against Miami.

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Speaker 4: You know, after the Heat answered on you know, the

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Speaker 4: road win against Denver, leveling the series heading back to Miami,

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Speaker 4: I proclaimed emphatically, the Heat are gonna win this series.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It took me a second, you know.

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Speaker 4: And we had about two and a half weeks to

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Speaker 4: think about it before game Game three. So yeah, By

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Speaker 4: the way, that's the part of this finals that is

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Speaker 4: driving me the craziest is the fact that we have

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Speaker 4: to wait a fortnite to see each of these games.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I said it after Game two because

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Speaker 4: I thought that was a huge win. Going back to

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Speaker 4: And before we even get to Game four, I was

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Speaker 4: so disappointed with how the Heat played in Game three.

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Speaker 4: It's just that's it. That's the golden opportunity. That's when

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Speaker 4: you strike, you know what I mean, That's when your

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Speaker 4: your prey is the weakest. And then Yo, Kitcha Murray

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Speaker 4: go out there and they both have a triple double.

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Speaker 4: It was just like a thirty point triple double. So,

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Speaker 4: I mean, they they're just dominant. Denver's finding a way

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Speaker 4: to sort of trounce through this series. It's yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: going differently than I thought it would.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, as much as I want to, you know,

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Speaker 6: give Miami their due for what's been an incredible run,

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Speaker 6: I think there's two takeaways for me in this series

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Speaker 6: so far. First of all, Denver is a worthy champion.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we haven't paid attention to them all season. We

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Speaker 6: have the last month or so, but they are a

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Speaker 6: worthy champion. The other takeaway for me is not a

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Speaker 6: knock on Miami. I think Miami is who we right

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Speaker 6: the Dennis Green. They are who we thought they were.

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Speaker 6: They're an eight seed that almost got bounced in the

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Speaker 6: playing round. I think the bigger takeaway for me is

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Speaker 6: how in the heck did the Boston Celtics lose three.

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Speaker 5: Or four at home to this Miami Heat team? Right like?

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Speaker 6: And maybe it doesn't matter, Maybe Boston advances anyways, maybe

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Speaker 6: they win Game seven and Denver still does what they're

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Speaker 6: doing now, which.

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Speaker 5: Is flex their muscle and show everyone that the.

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Speaker 6: Best team in the NBA this year, and I think

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Speaker 6: they certainly are, but the Boston like, to me, that's

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Speaker 6: the bigger indictment in this series. It's not a knock

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Speaker 6: on Miami. It's the Boston Celtics are broken three or

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Speaker 6: four at home to this Miami team. They had a

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Speaker 6: lot of things go wrong, and I think the internal

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Speaker 6: fortitude of that Boston team with each passing game that Denver,

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Speaker 6: which shows when you play at a high level, that's

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Speaker 6: how you should look against the Miami defensively, offensively, special teams,

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Speaker 6: right the whole nine yards.

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Speaker 5: But Boston didn't look that way.

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Speaker 6: They needed just a miraculous comeback to even be in

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Speaker 6: the series, and then they fall flat on their face.

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Speaker 6: In Game seven, So Denver gets all the credit. They're

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Speaker 6: a fantastic team. Jokicch and Murray are stars. They're gonna

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Speaker 6: win the NBA Finals and they deserve to. But man,

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Speaker 6: the Boston Celtics need help because they should be in

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Speaker 6: this series right now.

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Speaker 5: And I think this series would be a little bit.

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Speaker 6: More intriguing perhaps with the Boston Celtics, but I still

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Speaker 6: think Denver.

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Speaker 5: Is the best team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Denver would have beaten Boston as well,

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Speaker 3: but I agree with you. I think it would have

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Speaker 3: had more juice. We'll put it that way, with Tatum

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Speaker 3: and Brown and the Celtics brand, and yeah, there would

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Speaker 3: be more juice in the finals right now, even if

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Speaker 3: it was three to one. But we don't have that.

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Speaker 3: We've got Miami here. I think it's one of these

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Speaker 3: deals where styles make fights. And if you look at

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Speaker 3: not going up against the dominant big men like Yokic.

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Speaker 3: They're not going up against a two time MVP who

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Speaker 3: is just doing work. Bam Autebayo has played very well

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Speaker 3: in this series. There's just nothing he has for Yokic.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that most big men in the league have

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Speaker 3: but certainly not Miami. And so when you're going up

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Speaker 3: to Yokic that's going to exploit them the same way.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's how Miami was able to get

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Speaker 1: But I hear you, I hear you.

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Speaker 3: You reevaluate where Boston is in the pecking order. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: when they lost a game seven by nineteen at home,

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Speaker 3: Miami team they're getting NBA right now in the finals,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it makes you look twice at Boston.

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Speaker 2: I will say this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you saw that moment where jokicch appeared to

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Speaker 2: I think it was off of Strus's foot.

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Speaker 1: You had that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, now, it's early in the game and he

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Speaker 4: didn't appear to be bothered by it much later. But

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Speaker 4: you got to remember adrenaline as a hell of a thing,

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Speaker 4: and you can get through a game even if it's

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Speaker 4: something that felt relatively small. Sometimes when you get off

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Speaker 4: There's a little swelling, you know, you're flying anyways, so

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Speaker 4: there could be a slowdown in it, possibly in game five.

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Speaker 4: Let's put it this way. After watching the Nuggets on

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Speaker 4: don't think this is going to be the same story

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Speaker 4: we saw with Boston where they forced a Game seven

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Speaker 4: after getting down bad in a series. I don't see

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Speaker 4: Miami having that kind of firepower to stick around in

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Speaker 4: this series and I getting beat the way they did

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Speaker 4: on their home floor twice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean that Game three and Game four weren't even

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Speaker 4: particularly close, gentlemen. We had we had a good, solid,

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Speaker 4: competitive first quarter in Game four, and that's about all

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Speaker 4: you could say, because the separation started midway through the

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Speaker 4: second and really it never stopped. It was it was

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Speaker 4: just every time you looked up, the margin was getting

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Speaker 4: a little bit wider, a little bit wider every time

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Speaker 4: you looked at this game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you were going to tell me before

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Speaker 6: the series started that So all the Heat role players, right,

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Speaker 6: we know Bam and Jimmy Butler are good players, but

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Speaker 6: really the reason that the Heat are in the finals

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Speaker 6: is because they just got unbelievable play from some of

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Speaker 6: these role players that were very much unheralded during the

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Speaker 6: regular season, but then Caleb Martin almost wins the Eastern

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Speaker 6: Conference Finals, MVP Max Strus going off for all these threes, right,

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Speaker 6: Kevin Love is playing, but it's Kyle Lowry has been

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Speaker 6: the best role player in the series for the Heat.

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Speaker 6: And if you were gonna tell me that heading into

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Speaker 6: the series, I mean, that's just you cannot put Kyle

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Speaker 6: Lowry in the same breath as what the top of

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Speaker 6: the Nuggets lineup looks like. Aaron Gordon played like an

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Speaker 6: MVP last night. I mean, Aaron Gordon could be the

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Speaker 6: best player on the team on certain spots, you know,

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Speaker 6: in terms of his pedigree, but he only needs to

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Speaker 6: be the third or fourth best player on the team.

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Speaker 6: But he played forty two minutes, twenty seven, seven and

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Speaker 5: He played like the best player on the floor.

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Speaker 6: So when the Nuggets are getting those types of performances

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Speaker 6: from Aaron Gordon and Bruce Brown twenty one points off

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Speaker 6: the bench, and it's Kyle Lowry that's kind of the

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Speaker 6: bread winner for the Heat role players, Right, we know

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Speaker 6: Bam and Jimmy, but it's if it's not the other

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Speaker 6: guys that are all collectively putting those those performances together,

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Speaker 6: and it's Kyle Lowry that you're relying on for seven

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Speaker 6: assists off the bench. Miami does have a chance in

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Speaker 6: this series, and they had a historically good performance in

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Speaker 6: Game two in the fourth quarter, and that is a

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Speaker 6: very difficult thing to repeat.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: Can they steal one maybe in Denver again, perhaps, but

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Speaker 6: this series is effectively over and I am excited to

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Speaker 6: I guess where with the Where with the the parade

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Speaker 6: in Denver?

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Speaker 5: B Did they go through the mountains? What do they

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Speaker 5: do there?

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Speaker 3: I would open, Yeah, I don't know if the turnout

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, this is going to sound very

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Speaker 3: anti three point shot, and it's not.

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Speaker 1: I embraced the three point shot. But here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: If you look at Denver, what they're doing with Jokicchen particular,

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Speaker 3: and what they're doing in the paint. You go back

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Speaker 3: to Game three, they outscored Miami sixty to thirty four

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Speaker 3: in the paint, just dominant.

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Speaker 1: Mumbling them. It's like football.

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Speaker 3: It's like Denver has a reliable running game and it

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Speaker 3: complements their passing game because they shot it great from

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Speaker 3: three yesterday they were fourteen for twenty eight. They're fifty

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Speaker 3: percent from three point range. But if you look at Miami,

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Speaker 3: they don't have a running game. They do not have

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Speaker 3: buckets in the paint. They're not doing that. And they

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Speaker 3: shot the three horribly last night. They were eight for

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Speaker 3: twenty five. They're thirty two percent from distance, and they

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Speaker 3: don't have a running game on top of it. That's

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Speaker 3: why they're getting dusted. So that's the thing. I'm not

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Speaker 3: anti three. But the only game that Miami won is

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Speaker 3: the game that they were lights out shooting the three

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Speaker 3: in Denver. All these other games they haven't been able

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Speaker 3: to shoot it well, and they don't have anything that

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Speaker 3: resembles a football running game or it's your bread and butter,

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Speaker 3: you can just go to it.

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Speaker 1: It's points here, it's points there.

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Speaker 3: That accumulates, that adds up, and at the end of

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Speaker 3: the game you look up and Miami's in the nineties.

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Speaker 3: You're not winning games against Ver when you're scoring in

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Speaker 3: the nineties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know. And Jimmy Butler to his credit.

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Speaker 4: It felt like he's finally showed up for this Finals

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Speaker 4: in a big way. That was a pretty masterful performance.

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Speaker 4: But it needs to almost be herculean at this point,

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Speaker 4: like something, something's gotta go and it's gotta be him,

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Speaker 4: you know, So maybe twenty five isn't enough. Maybe you

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Speaker 4: gotta have a thirty point game, a thirty five point game.

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Speaker 4: You have to do something that's not just great but

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Speaker 4: outstanding to encourage this team on your home floor. I

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Speaker 4: don't know why you'd necessarily need that encouragement outside of

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Speaker 4: they're just that much better than you, Like you were saying, Jared,

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Speaker 4: like this just this is just a more dominant team,

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Speaker 4: and you know this is either going to go the

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Speaker 3: what's interesting to me about the Dalvincook situation. And you

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Speaker 3: hear this a lot about the running back position being devalued.

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Speaker 3: In one aspect, it is in terms of the market

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Speaker 3: and the money that these guys will command, it's not

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Speaker 3: even close to comparable to other big time positions quarterback,

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, left tackle, Like, you're just not going to

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Speaker 3: command the type of dollars. But the other standpoint that

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Speaker 3: I think gets overlooked is the workload. If you look

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Speaker 3: at the workload of some of these guys, Derick Henry

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Speaker 3: carried the ball three hundred and forty nine times last year,

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Speaker 3: right like Nick Chubb, Josh Jacobs, they're carrying it over

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Speaker 3: three hundred times last season. And then you look in

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Speaker 3: other instances where it's an outlier, like a team like

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Speaker 3: the forty nine ers they trade for Christian McCaffrey, who

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Speaker 3: made a big impact when he was there in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: So I look at Dalvin Cook and I say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: he's not going to command the money on the open

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Speaker 3: market that another position would. If you've got a running

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Speaker 3: back like Dalvin Cook, versus a wide receiver that's putting

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Speaker 3: up comparable numbers, Right, the wide receiver's gonna get paid

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Speaker 3: a lot more. That doesn't mean that Dalvin Cook isn't

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Speaker 3: gonna make a big impact. And I know you guys

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Speaker 3: aren't saying that. I'm just saying it goes a step further.

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Speaker 3: If I saw all of a sudden the carries just

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Speaker 3: dwindle and these guys are getting maybe one hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty carries per season, like, then it would fully make sense.

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Speaker 3: But what's really happening is the market is down, right,

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Speaker 3: the stock is down in terms of what running backs earn,

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Speaker 3: but in terms of the workload that is not like

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Speaker 3: completely different than where it used to be. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: get two more two headed monster approaches, and you don't

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Speaker 3: get the bell cow quote unquote running back as much anymore.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at certain instances, Dalvin Cook two

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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty four carries last season, that's a lot.

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Speaker 3: That's a big workload. If he has something comparable going forward,

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Speaker 3: he's still making a big impact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But back in you know, say two decades ago, maybe

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Speaker 4: even longer than that, maybe we're going back say twenty

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Speaker 4: five years ish, you had to have a feature running back.

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Speaker 4: You had to have that workhorse to have a shot

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Speaker 4: in the NFL. It wasn't as important to have the

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Speaker 4: quarterback like there was another to win. A great quarterback

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Speaker 4: would would do a lot for you and obviously could

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Speaker 4: compete with other teams and win you championships. But the

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Speaker 4: reality was, you know, and the reality then, I should say,

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Speaker 4: was you could have a great defense, you could have

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Speaker 4: a great running game, you could win championships.

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Speaker 2: That's no longer the case.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the top ten offenses

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Speaker 4: in the NFL from twenty twenty two, Casey, Buffalo, Philly, Detroit,

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Speaker 4: San Francisco, Miami, Minnesota, Cincinnati, LA Chargers in Jacksonville, the

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Speaker 4: one thing that the majority of these teams have in

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Speaker 4: common is we talk about their quarterback. We don't talk

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Speaker 4: about their run game. Even in some of these cases,

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Speaker 4: we talk about their running backs, but more so their

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Speaker 4: involvement in the passing game. So the running back position,

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, Brian. In certain cases it still

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Speaker 4: can be featured in this NFL, like the Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 4: have done for a while. But even the San Francisco

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Speaker 4: forty nine ers, Christian McCaffrey got a lot of credit

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Speaker 4: for that late season push after the trade deadline, but

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Speaker 4: the reality was we were talking about Brock Purdy and

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Speaker 4: how if they didn't have somebody to replace Garoppolo the

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Speaker 4: way that he was able to when he went down,

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Speaker 4: this season would have been off the rails. And it's

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Speaker 4: true because Christian McCaffrey can't do it on his own.

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Speaker 4: We saw what that looks like in Carolina. It looks awful.

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Speaker 4: So the league's just changed.

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Speaker 2: This is now.

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Speaker 4: It's still a line of scrimmage game. Like you still

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Speaker 4: need to have good line play, good defensive line play.

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Speaker 4: You do need a good running game to supplant your

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Speaker 4: passing game, but it is a passing league these days.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going back now.

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at some of the Super Bowl champions in

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Speaker 6: history and I'm trying to find the last great running

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Speaker 6: back that helped lead his team to a Super Bowl win.

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Speaker 5: I can't find one.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's been a while, right Chiefs obviously, no

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Speaker 6: Bucks Brady, the Patriots, Brady Eagles. That Eagles Patriots one

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Speaker 6: was super weird, right forty one thirty three the Patriots

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Speaker 6: against the Falcons.

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Speaker 5: That was a lot of Brady a lot of bad Falcons.

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Speaker 6: You can make a case that the Denver Carolina one

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Speaker 6: was kind of an offbeat super Bowl. More defense, a

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Speaker 6: little less Peyton Manning, a little more ground and pound Seattle, Denver,

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Speaker 6: that one was a weird one too. But there's not

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Speaker 6: a lot of Super Bowls in history where I can say, yep,

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Speaker 6: the running back is the reason why that team won

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Speaker 6: the Super b.

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Speaker 3: But the thing is, I'll give you a counter argument

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Speaker 3: real fast. Yeah, no, no, I'll never forget Brown's GM

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Speaker 3: ray Farmer. But former Browns GM ray Farmer, he made

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Speaker 3: the same case about not having a star wide receiver

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Speaker 3: on a Super Bowl team. That's fair, and we all

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Speaker 3: know that you need top receivers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that helps, that's very beneficial.

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Speaker 3: But for a good stretch, for a good fifteen to

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Speaker 3: twenty year stretch, you could make an argument the same

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Speaker 3: way and no one would say that wide receivers who cares.

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Speaker 3: You don't need star receivers like, that's very beneficial if

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Speaker 3: you have one of those guys.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I'm kind of in the middle of

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Speaker 6: the running back argument. Frankly, I think we've and this

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Speaker 6: is what markets do, this is what betting markets. Financial

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Speaker 6: markets do all the time. They're cyclical, they swing violently

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Speaker 6: back and forth. We are now in an era of

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Speaker 6: the no running back league, like it's not as important.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we drift back to center down the road, but

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Speaker 6: right now, in the current state of the NFL, guys

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Speaker 6: like Dalvin Cook, who are arguably the most productive and

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Speaker 6: talented running backs in the league, are being treated like

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Speaker 6: they are.

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Speaker 5: Second or third stringers.

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Speaker 6: And it's not that teams don't need running backs, it's

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Speaker 6: just right now the allocation and a lot of the

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Speaker 6: NFL right now is driven by analytics. I watched a

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Speaker 6: lot of these behind the scenes draft war room videos,

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Speaker 6: specifically the Arizona Cardinals one where they were trying to

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Speaker 6: make the trade to move up to go get Paris Johnson,

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Speaker 6: and they they showed him and they titled him Draft Analytics.

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Speaker 6: You know, statistics manager blah blah blah for the Arizona

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Speaker 6: Cardinals and he's sitting there right next to the GM

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Speaker 6: calculating the numbers for Okay, if we trade this pick,

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Speaker 6: what does it mean and how much value are we

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Speaker 6: getting back in equity?

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Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. That is a lot of the decision

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Speaker 5: making in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: Now it is done on computers with nerds with glasses

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Speaker 6: like me, the nerd. It's it's the era of the

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Speaker 6: nerd in the NFL right now, and right now, the

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Speaker 6: nerds don't feel very strongly about paying running backs.

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Speaker 5: They just don't value the position. I hear you.

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Speaker 3: I hear all of that because I think it's just

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Speaker 3: gone too far. There are, granted, much more important positions

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Speaker 3: right if you, if you're building your team, I'm not

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Speaker 3: starting with running back. I'm starting with quarterback. I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at wide receiver. I'm looking at corner, I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: edge rusher.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 3: There are positions, many of them that are more important

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Speaker 3: than running back. That doesn't mean that running back doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter anymore. And that's just where I push back. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying it's quarterback then running back. That's how you

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Speaker 3: build your team. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: it's more valuable than the punter, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Like it's just gotten so out of whack. But you

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Speaker 3: could just get you know, get Rich Orenberger to run

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Speaker 3: the ball back there, it doesn't matter, you know.

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Speaker 5: That would be entertaining right there.

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Speaker 4: That would be entertaining. I mean, that's a dream that

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Speaker 4: I wish for years. I remember there were a couple

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Speaker 4: of goal line packages I was a part of, and

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Speaker 4: we had to have a passing game off of it,

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Speaker 4: and so I would run like to the.

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Speaker 6: Flat or Orenberger catching a pass would have been the highlight.

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Speaker 4: An extra tight end like I'd be doing like a

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Speaker 4: corner route to the end line and just like come on,

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Speaker 4: come on, come on, Rady lining up as a fullback.

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Speaker 4: If I could just carry the ball once, that would

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Speaker 4: have made my whole life. But yeah, I mean, you

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Speaker 4: can't just put anyone out there. Yeah, I mean, of course,

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Speaker 4: unless it was me, you can't do it because it's

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Speaker 4: just one of those things that I mean, there's it's

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Speaker 4: still a competitive position on a football field. It still

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Speaker 4: really benefits you when you have a great one. It's

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Speaker 4: still one of those positions that you can highlight and

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Speaker 4: feature in an offense like I think the San Francisco

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Speaker 4: forty nine ers really cleverly did with McCaffrey and Deebo

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Speaker 4: and Kittle and all the weapons they have around that offense.

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Speaker 2: But if that's if that's what you're.

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Speaker 4: Hanging your hat on, you know, if you're gonna pay

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Speaker 4: a large chunk of your salary toward that position. Over

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Speaker 4: the course of a deal, You're you're probably limiting yourself

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Speaker 4: from a salary standpoint to invest more heavily into positions

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Speaker 4: that have more dire consequences in terms of your production. Offensively,

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Speaker 4: the game the game has given you based on the

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Speaker 4: rule changes so much more availability to advance to football

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Speaker 4: In the passing game, It's almost like it's almost like,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you have a gift card to the

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Speaker 4: one restaurant and you have to pay some exarpidant amount

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Speaker 4: of money to the other restaurant, why just why not

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Speaker 4: just go the easier route, like they're giving you yards

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Speaker 4: in the passing game. If you just have a talented

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Speaker 4: enough quarterback and receivers worth their salt, so why don't

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Speaker 4: you go do that? That's what a lot of teams

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Speaker 4: are opting to do, and that's where the analytics really

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Speaker 4: do suppress the running back market.

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Speaker 3: Okay, a little bit later in the show, we'll get

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Speaker 3: to a tale of the tape. Who do you think

657
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Speaker 3: makes the bigger impact? Will it be free agent Dalvin

658
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Speaker 3: Cook or will it be free agent DeAndre.

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Speaker 6: Really good question, actually, right, because it kind of bakes

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Speaker 6: in the narrative that we're talking about now with who

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Speaker 6: matters more in which position.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that next hour coming up next though,

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Speaker 3: a good excuse needs to make sense.

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Speaker 1: As a free requisite. I'm Brian No.

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Speaker 3: We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst, We've got Rich Orenberger,

667
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Speaker 3: Penn State, All American.

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Speaker 1: We will get to an.

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Speaker 3: Excuse that doesn't quite add up, entertaining a little bit

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Speaker 3: depending on your perspective.

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Speaker 1: That's on the way.

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Speaker 3: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: It's Fox Sports Saturday Live from the Tireraq dot Com studios. So,

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Speaker 3: NBA Commissioner Adam Silver, he was on the Dan Patrick

676
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Speaker 3: Show and he was talking about the John Morant situation.

677
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: So John Morant stud point guard with the Memphis Grizzlies.

678
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Speaker 3: There was a second gun video on ig live on

679
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Speaker 3: social media. So jaw was suspended for eight games for

680
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Speaker 3: the first gun video. Now we get the second gun video.

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Speaker 3: There is someone from John Morant's camp that says it

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Speaker 3: is a toy gun, not a real gun.

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Speaker 1: It's a toy gun.

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Speaker 3: So this is what NBA Commissioner Adam Silver had to

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Speaker 3: say on that subject.

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00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 10: Check it out where of course reports on social media

687
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Speaker 10: about you know, whether the gun was in fact a gun,

688
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Speaker 10: and so we haven't completely wrapped it up.

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Speaker 1: Does that matter as commissioner, if that's a toy gun?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 10: It's the very issue is for job certainly in the

692
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Speaker 10: first incident, was treating a gun as a toy. That's

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Speaker 10: what we're talking about, and that's what I think the

694
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Speaker 10: danger is to society taking a gun live streaming it,

695
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Speaker 10: you know, without getting into gun issues in terms of

696
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Speaker 10: the propriety of owning guns and the use of guns.

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Speaker 10: I think everyone agrees that gun safety is critically important

698
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Speaker 10: and that guns aren't toys. So it's something that I'm

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Speaker 10: thinking a lot about because again I'm not going to

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Speaker 10: get into the specifics of the investigation. But in fact,

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Speaker 10: if you are live streaming something that to the world

702
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Speaker 10: looks exactly like a gun and in a frankly reckless manner,

703
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Speaker 10: should it matter whether or not it's a real gun?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Interesting stuff, right, So the first part of this is

706
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: the excuse has to make sense, and this excuse makes

707
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: no sense whatsoever, because let's play a little game of

708
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: In order for this to be true, there's the way

709
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: you always have to do. So a member from Ja

710
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: Morant's camp says, it's a toy gun. Then why was

711
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Speaker 3: John Morant apologizing for the toy gun? Why would you

712
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Speaker 3: react like that when you're facing a significant suspension. The

713
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: steps immediately afterward would have been completely different. So I

714
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Speaker 3: don't buy this for a second, and the league isn't

715
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Speaker 3: buying it for a second. What's interesting is how the

716
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 3: NBA is positioning itself here. That matters, And what Adam

717
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: Silver is saying is should it matter if it's a

718
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Speaker 3: toy gun or not? Context matters.

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Speaker 1: This is the second gun video with John.

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Speaker 3: Morant, this isn't the first one, and this isn't like

721
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Speaker 3: an obvious like super Soaker or something like that. Context matters,

722
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Speaker 3: and so the NBA isn't buying it. And what they're

723
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: doing is they're positioning themselves smartly where they're not down

724
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Speaker 3: the road a similar situation. Someone flashes a gun and

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Speaker 3: then says it's a toy gun, and you have no

726
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: proof whether it is or not. You've got to send

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Speaker 3: a message. And I think it's still going to be

728
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Speaker 3: a lengthy suspension.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I completely agree. I completely agree.

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Speaker 4: I think that they're gonna you know, at a certain point,

731
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Speaker 4: you have to make an example of a guy if

732
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Speaker 4: he's begging you to. And Ja Morant is just simply

733
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Speaker 4: begging the NBA to make an example of him. I mean,

734
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: this is one of those things where you know, he

735
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 4: trots out in front of the camera with Jalen Rose

736
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Speaker 4: and it's a heartfelt apology to those affected by the

737
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: initial video, and that doesn't represent who I am. And

738
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Speaker 4: I'm making changes in my personal life and I'm seeking,

739
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: you know, mental help. This is going to be one

740
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Speaker 4: of those circumstances where you're gonna see a change, the

741
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: reformed man in front of you, playing the great game

742
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 4: that I love, and within weeks he does it again.

743
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: Now yeah again, I agree with Adam Silver. I think

744
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 4: a lot of people would at this point. It doesn't

745
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: matter if the gun was real or not. Like if

746
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: you got caught ones cheating on your wife and then

747
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: you got caught in the background of a video at

748
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: the club with your boys and one of your friends,

749
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Speaker 4: you know, caught you dancing on the dance floor with

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Speaker 4: someone who's not your wife. You think she's gonna accept

751
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: the excuse, Well, she's just a work friend, babe, right,

752
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: she's a coworker. That's not a real relationship. She's gonna say, well,

753
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: we have real problems. So I'm sorry. Whether or not

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00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: you tell me that she's just a friend, you've already

755
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: cheated on me one. So the trust is gone, all right.

756
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: That's where Jean Moran is at with the NBA. The

757
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: trust is gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And again, I don't want to compare the situations because

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 6: they're vastly different in terms of the severity. But this

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 6: reminds me of when I was in high school and

762
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 6: I got a speeding ticket and I got my license

763
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 6: taken away for a month, and I remember my mom said,

764
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: if you get a speeding ticket again, you're done, Like

765
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Speaker 6: that's it, you know. And I know, again, not the

766
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 6: same scenario, But when you get caught in the same

767
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 6: situation again, you basically make the same mistake twice. It

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00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 6: doesn't matter how severe the second mistake is, just the

769
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Speaker 6: fact that you were in the realm, the stratosphere of

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Speaker 6: that same mistake again and you were kind of looking

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Speaker 6: over the line and towing the line and kind of

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Speaker 6: pushing that boundary. It shows a lack of awareness. It

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Speaker 6: shows a lack of depth and a lack of Hey,

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Speaker 6: I didn't learn anything from this mistake, So the situationuition

775
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 6: and the punishment now needs to be more severe. Gunfake

776
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 6: gun reel doesn't matter. Why would you even enter that

777
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Speaker 6: sphere again knowing what you just did?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, context matters.

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Speaker 3: It would be similar to on the court, Draymond Green, Right,

780
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Speaker 3: Draymond Green has a past, so he might get a

781
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Speaker 3: technical quicker than another player without a pass. Jah has

782
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Speaker 3: a pasted all right, coming up next? Why are we

783
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: making excuses for people who don't deserve it?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

785
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Speaker 3: What's going on? Everybody? We got gambling talk. We're going

786
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Speaker 3: to look critically at gambling over here, and this is

787
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Speaker 3: a pro gambling show, but I think it'll make sense

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Speaker 3: in a second. We are broadcasting live from the tirack

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792
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Speaker 3: way tire buying should be. Okay, we prefaced this with

793
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Speaker 3: we are pro gambling. I've got two thumbs up in

794
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: the air, right, Now we're not anti gambling, but the

795
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: story with Colts cornerback Isaiah Rogers Senior. So he's being

796
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 3: investigated for bets, possibly betting on his own team, the Colts,

797
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: and so he's facing what would be at least a

798
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: year long suspension.

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Speaker 1: Not smart.

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Speaker 3: Now the details are really interesting. It wasn't his own account.

801
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: He had a friend enter his bets for him, and

802
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: we're talking mostly between fifty and one hundred dollars bets.

803
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: Now he's on the he's on the hook to possibly

804
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: miss the entire season, and his contract is about two

805
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: point seven million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So, now here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: When when we're talking about these stories, a lot of

808
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: it is, oh, the NFL, they're hypocritical, they're taking money

809
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: from these sportsbooks and they're punishing players. First off, that

810
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: whole time thing is stupid. The NFL has relationships with

811
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Speaker 3: beer companies. It doesn't mean that players are okay to

812
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: drive back, you know what I mean, Like, come on,

813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: it's not hypocritical. You can have a sponsor and still say, hey,

814
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: our players gambling. It hurts the integrity of the game.

815
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: So you're going to get punished for gambling.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

817
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Speaker 1: Why that's so difficult.

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Speaker 3: The next part is you hear all this stuff about well,

819
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean, the rules are really hard.

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Speaker 1: To understand it.

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Speaker 3: No they aren't, No, they aren't it. Don't gamble on

822
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: the NFL, that's pretty easy. And then don't gamble when

823
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: you're at work, when you're on company ground. That's it,

824
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: and it don't do it. That's it. It's really easy.

825
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: And the thing, I'm so tired of the excuses. I

826
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 3: look at this like peds. We say this all the time.

827
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Speaker 3: It's your job to know what you're putting in your body,

828
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: But somehow that's completely changed when it comes to gambling,

829
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Speaker 3: and it's just, oh, what's the NFL doing And they're

830
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: hypocritical and how are these players supposed to know? So

831
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: we're sticklers when it comes to beds, you guys better

832
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: know what you put in your body. But it's just

833
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: like you don't really have to know what the gambling

834
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: policy is. You can call up the NFLPA, you can

835
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: double check, you can say hey, can I do this?

836
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: Can I enter this golf parlay today?

837
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Or no?

838
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 3: And they'll tell you. So I have no sympathy. It's

839
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: know the rules and if you get popped. You should

840
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Speaker 3: have been smarter. That's just where I stand on this

841
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: whole thing.

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Speaker 4: I think you're I think you're pretty close, or I

843
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: should say that's your opinion, and my opinion is pretty

844
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: close to yours. I would only add this as a caveat.

845
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 4: You know, just because you know beer is sponsored by

846
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: or I should say the NFL is sponsored by beer companies,

847
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that the ultimate worst case scenario is what

848
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Speaker 4: we fear. You know what I mean, like the ultimate

849
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: worst case scenario of gambling is it destroys your life, right,

850
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, the idea that somehow you get indebted to

851
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 4: people that you shouldn't be indebted to, or you have

852
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: a problem with it where you're addicted to it. You know,

853
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: same thing with beer. Are we under this weird suspicion

854
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 4: that NFL players don't enjoy a nice cold Budwiser.

855
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, or a cores.

856
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 4: Light or an ipa from some local craft brewery. I mean,

857
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: like it's happening. I can promise you it's happening, even

858
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 4: though even though players aren't allowed to do independent business

859
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: with these beer companies and it's in their contract. Yeah,

860
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: it's happening. So like when we look at gambling, it's

861
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: to me a little bit of a hypocrisy because the

862
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: NFL is benefiting so much off of sports betting that

863
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 4: the players can't be involved on their own terms. However,

864
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: I will say this, there have been rules for years

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Speaker 4: about gambling at work, you know, in the NFL, in

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Speaker 4: the NBA, because there have been certain occurrences that have occurred,

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Speaker 4: like players have brought guns to locker rooms over gambling debts,

868
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: and we're talking about card games, you know. So if

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00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: we're going to get down the rabbit hole of sports

870
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: betting at work, it may be all some guys want

871
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: to do. It may be a huge distraction to what

872
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 4: they're doing in the workplace. Like you could see that

873
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: rule happening in a different office, It could happen in

874
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: an accounting offense.

875
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: So I look at it this way.

876
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: Yes, are some of your freedoms limited when you sign

877
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 4: up with an employer while you're on the clock with

878
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 4: that employer or while you're.

879
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: Under contract with that employer.

880
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but where you're trading in is a certain ability

881
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: to do what you may want to for those eight hours,

882
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: twelve hours, you know, period of your life for money

883
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 4: you know that we all make those trade offs. Life's

884
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: bout trade off. So the sooner these players start understanding

885
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 4: that they can't do this, the better off everyone's gonna

886
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: be in. Unfortunately for Isaiah Rogers, they'll make an example

887
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: out of them. I'm pretty sure whatever the maximum punishment

888
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 4: he's capable of getting is what the NFL is gonna

889
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 4: levy here.

890
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to echo what Rich said for a

891
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 6: minute and then I'll get into Rogers take. But for me,

892
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 6: the sacrifices that I've made in my life to do

893
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 6: the job that I do. I haven't had Thanksgiving at

894
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 6: home in like five years. Why because who plays on

895
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving in the day after Thanksgiving? The NFL gotta cover

896
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 6: the Lions, gotta cover the Lions in the Cowboys game, right,

897
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 6: But I don't have the opportunity for me to go

898
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 6: home Thanksgiving week and spend the entire week with my

899
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 6: family because the last five years I've done shows the

900
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 6: day after day of Black Friday, the Saturday, the sun

901
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 6: like and that's just And I don't complain about it.

902
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: I don't.

903
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 5: You know, my mom's.

904
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 6: Upset, But that's life. That's the path that I've chosen.

905
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 6: I get to go home all start break in July

906
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 6: in a couple weeks and spend some time with them. Right,

907
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 6: that's the time that I can spend with my family

908
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 6: because unfortunately, there's not a studio in my childhood.

909
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: House in South Florida that I can do a show from.

910
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 6: So that's just part of it, right, Rich, I'm sure

911
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 6: you've missed birthdays, holidays, parties, weddings, Brian, same thing.

912
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: Right.

913
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 6: We chose to work in sports. Sports plays weekends, holidays,

914
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 6: year round. That's just what we chose. For Isaiah Rodgers.

915
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 6: There's two things here. One, that's the path he chose, right.

916
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 6: He wants to play in the NFL, He's done it

917
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 6: for years. Talented player, blah blah blah. He has to

918
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 6: make certain sacrifices to do that. The second thing is

919
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: how much did you say the bets were? Four fifteen

920
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 6: hundred bucks?

921
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: Brian?

922
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's making two point seven million this year.

923
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 6: Like, there has to be a level of accountability when

924
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 6: you know this is you're not betting foul, you're not

925
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 6: a professional gambler, you're not deriving your income from this.

926
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 6: This is a entertainment vehicle for you to blow off

927
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 6: some steam. On a Friday night because you're bored and

928
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 6: you want to watch a baseball game and throw a

929
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: hundred bucks on it. That's fine, there's nothing wrong with that,

930
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: but you have to do it inside the sphere that

931
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 6: you're allowed to do it in, which is not I

932
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 6: think he got caught on right. It was on the

933
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 6: actual campus of the Colts. Is that why this is

934
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 6: becoming such a big store or because he bet.

935
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 5: On the NFL?

936
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 6: Like, you just have to know the rules, and you're right,

937
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 6: you gotta know what you're putting in your body.

938
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 5: Same thing.

939
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 6: You gotta know the rules about the gambling space because

940
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 6: it is becoming a big part of the conversation and

941
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 6: it ain't going anywhere. Guys, I have a job because

942
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 6: of it on this network. It ain't going anywhere. It

943
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 6: is an exciting part of the game, and I think

944
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 6: it's going to continue to be exciting.

945
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 5: But you just have to know the rules.

946
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: That's it.

947
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 3: Well, And that's the thing too is On one hand,

948
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: I do feel bad for the guy. Right to some capacity,

949
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: he's due to make two point seven million dollars this season.

950
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 3: It's not guaranteed. If he's suspended for a year, that's

951
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: probably the end of his Colts career, and who knows

952
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: where his career goes from there. This guy's a sixth

953
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: round pick in twenty twenty, fought his way to be

954
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: a starter, he was in line to be a starter

955
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: this year, and now he's probably gonna be on the

956
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: sideline for the whole year because he's making fifty or

957
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars bets. Like, I don't like that part

958
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: of it. But the other side of this is I

959
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 3: go back to Lou Holtz when he was the head

960
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 3: coach of Notre Dame.

961
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Now we got to go.

962
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: Hot tub time machine for this, but Lou Holtz was

963
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: a stickler. If a player messed up, like I was

964
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: always as a kid, I'd be like, man, that guy

965
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: suspended for the bowl game. This is a huge game.

966
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: And Lou was like, I'm not suspending the guy. He

967
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: suspended himself. And that's how I feel about Isaiah Rodgers

968
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: seeing guy, Yeah, he suspended himself.

969
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

970
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: Does anybody argue that NFL players should be able to

971
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: bet on NFL games? Is anybody saying that?

972
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: Because I would.

973
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 3: Argue completely against that. There's no way you can make

974
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: an argument that makes any sense whatsoever that NFL players

975
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: should be able to bet on NFL games and it

976
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: doesn't hurt the integrity of the game at all. That

977
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: would be a brain dead take. And so if we're

978
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 3: not arguing that back, I would push.

979
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: Back for one reason, one reason, and one reason alone.

980
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: It's because if you could have a situation where a

981
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: player can benefit financially from a bet, like if there's

982
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: a charitable aspect around it, or like I said, for

983
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 4: personal game, like where it's all.

984
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 5: Public team to win the Super Bowl.

985
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 4: Exactly like say Dak Prescott's Dallas Cowboys are back in

986
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: the Big Game, and Dak has an endorsement with you know,

987
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: bet MGM, and all of a sudden, you know, he

988
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 4: locks arms with his gambling supplier, sportsbook supplier, and he says, hey,

989
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: you know what, we're going to come together and I'm

990
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 4: going to put in on one hundred thousand dollars and

991
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 4: so is bet MGM. And if we win, all the

992
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: proceeds are going to go to the the Dak attack,

993
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: you know, proceed towards at risk kids.

994
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 6: That's probably the only scenario where I think you can

995
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 6: even make a slight argument for it, though, right.

996
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: But that's But that's my point though, is like where's

997
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 4: the line. Then the line that's off like blurry gentlemen.

998
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: And I know that some people say so we can't

999
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 4: have it at all, But I'm kind of laisy fair

1000
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 4: about this now. I don't think you should be able

1001
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: to bet against your.

1002
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 6: Team, especially in an individual game. It's one thing to

1003
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 6: say I'm betting on my team to win the Super Bowl.

1004
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 6: Of course that's your goal every year. That's fine.

1005
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: But you can't open that door, man, not at all.

1006
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 5: It's tough.

1007
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 6: I think the argument that Rich is making about the

1008
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 6: charitable aspect to it where it's made public. We see

1009
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 6: this all the time when states go go live, right,

1010
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 6: We saw it with the Reds. Yeah, Cincinnati. They brought

1011
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 6: in some Cincinnati guys and they all bet on the

1012
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 6: Reds to win the World Series, which was a basically

1013
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: a piece of toilet paper ticket. But the point is

1014
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: that I think has a slight argument.

1015
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 3: But it's gray area zero, and the area is no

1016
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: gret no nothing, no charity, no great. I'm looking at

1017
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: it from the league standpoint, Okay, it's fair too. You

1018
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: cannot be known as a league whose players are betting

1019
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: on NFL games in any game, you can't.

1020
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 6: Have games on the team to win the Super Bowl,

1021
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 6: I think is a different day.

1022
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: Hang on, hang on, I again. I know, I know

1023
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 4: you're pushing back, and justifiably so, because this is one

1024
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 4: of those things that has been a hot button issue

1025
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: in sports for a very long time, basically as long

1026
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 4: as sports has been going on is the integrity of

1027
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: the game and those who can potentially lose and benefit

1028
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: from losing. But I'm looking at it differently. I'm saying,

1029
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 4: if if there is a system where you can publicly

1030
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: back her own horse, like horse in horse racing, like

1031
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: a trainer can put money on his own horse.

1032
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 5: Owners Yeah, yeah, exactly, the owners don't. I don't have

1033
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 5: money on their horses when they're running around the track.

1034
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1035
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: To me, like like it makes it more exciting, Like

1036
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: the thrill of victory for those ownership groups or for

1037
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: those trainers is so much more thrilling as a result.

1038
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this, like the same.

1039
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 4: Argument you're posing Brian against players ever being able to

1040
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 4: bet on NFL games. Ever, is the same argument that

1041
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 4: people had twenty years ago about the NFL being involved

1042
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: in sports betting period or having a team in Vegas period.

1043
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: But guess what, sports.

1044
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 4: Betting and the NFL and their involvement in sports betting

1045
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 4: so far feels like peanut butter and jelly. So does

1046
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 4: the Vegas Raiders. I mean, I didn't love it for

1047
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: the city of Oakland, but it works. So I'm I'm

1048
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: at the point where, look, I'm not saying it's the

1049
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 4: best idea.

1050
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna.

1051
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: Horrible idea, but this is an awful idea. This is

1052
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: the word idea you've ever had. I'm confident in saying that.

1053
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm ally if you like, here's the thing.

1054
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 5: I can't. I can't get on game again.

1055
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, but even the Super Bowl you can't.

1056
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: I'll put it this way. If you went to Goodell

1057
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: and said, hey, Roger, here to think of it this

1058
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: way though, right, and you gave the charitable aspect and

1059
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: all that, he would look at you like you had

1060
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: nine heads, like how is this good for the NFL?

1061
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 6: Really well, technically wouldn't be gambling if he's giving the

1062
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 6: proceeds to charity.

1063
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 5: Also, that's the other part that you can kind of

1064
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 5: spin it.

1065
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man, we were not born yesterday.

1066
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: If you can bet on your team, there's gonna be

1067
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: a light bulb that goes off with Layers saying I

1068
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: can bet against my team, and now you're screwed as

1069
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 3: a league. It is better to not even go down

1070
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: that road, not even.

1071
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 6: You're probably right, but this is a radio show. You

1072
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 6: have to fill three hours. It's a good conversation, and.

1073
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 4: Truthfully and truthfully, I feel strongly about this from this

1074
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: standpoint alone, I am not looking forward to any rules

1075
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: that limit the availability of players in the NFL to

1076
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 4: make as much money as humanly possible while they're playing.

1077
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying making money betting, because I don't

1078
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 4: think that's a great strategy. But what I am saying

1079
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: is these guys can link up with endorsers. They can obviously,

1080
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: like we just discussed, do charitable work through this as

1081
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: a potential avenue. But in this very short term earning

1082
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: window that a player has, if they're lucky, they get

1083
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 4: three years, if they're exceptional, they get you know, five plus.

1084
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 4: If they're one of the greats of the games, they

1085
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 4: get to play a decade, and if they're insanely talented,

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00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 4: people will remember their names forever. Like it's it's it's

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00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: a short window though usually and if you are an

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: Isaiah Rodgers, a guy who, by the way, before he

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00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: got popped for gambling, none of us would have really

1090
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 4: remembered his name from the past two seasons. He was

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00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 4: a mid round draft pick who got some playing time,

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00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 4: mostly featured on special teams, and all of a sudden,

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00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 4: his name's being splashed across headlines because the NFL wants

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: to make an example of him. Look, the rules are

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00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: in place right now, and I agree with the punishment

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00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 4: that fits the crime. If you break the rules, and

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: the rules are currently where players can't bet on the NFL,

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00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 4: I'm with the NFL here.

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00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: You have to levy justice.

1100
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 4: However, I am oppositional to a rule that limits his

1101
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: ability to potentially link with the sports book and do

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: what he wants to do, especially if it's going to

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00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: financially benefit him somehow.

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00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 5: That's a good conversation.

1105
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: Though Lloyd Mayweather, he bets on himself every fight. It

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00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: makes it more interesting to me. All of a sudden

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 4: you find out that he's putting down a million dollars

1108
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 4: on himself to win in a huge fight when he

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00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 4: was still fighting.

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00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting.

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00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: I thought it was an interesting aspect to boxing that

1112
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: encouraged me to have even more excitement about what I

1113
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 4: was about to watch. Again, if you're betting on yourself

1114
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 4: to win or your team to win, I have no.

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00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: Problem on it.

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00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 6: I think the conversation's different when you're talking about linking

1117
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 6: up with let's say bet MGM to sponsor this charitable

1118
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 6: donation that they're going to make on wagering on a

1119
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 6: certain team. Like that's different than Dak Prescott bets on

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys.

1121
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 5: I think that conversation is different.

1122
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 6: I think there is some gray area with a current

1123
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 6: player linking up with a sportsbook in a sponsorship way.

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00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 5: Now there's gonna be questions about it. I'm sure.

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if it'll ever be allowed, but I

1126
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 6: am more open to that than a current player being

1127
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 6: allowed to bet on the NFL, whether it's on his

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 6: team or on another team.

1129
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: I hope it's not on another team.

1130
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 6: I think that conversation is Pandora's box that we cannot open.

1131
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 6: But I think linking up like sponsorship opportunities. If the

1132
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 6: NFL is getting sponsored by by by bet MGM, I

1133
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 6: think the players we should have some framework where the

1134
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 6: players should also be able to take some of that money.

1135
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: Real fast, You're gonna have what.

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00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: More problems probably open this door than not put it

1137
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: this way. There aren't sponsorships, This isn't for charity. You

1138
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: could be suspended for a year. Isaiah Rogers is still

1139
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: betting on NFL games when it's not allowed, right, He's cost.

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Speaker 5: I'm way past that.

1141
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 6: Like betting on individual games is no, no, no, no,

1142
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 6: no in any capacity. I think doing like the whole

1143
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 6: ceremonial ribbon cutting. Oh, we're gonna bet a one hundred

1144
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 6: dollars for the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl and

1145
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott being paid by MGM to do that appearance,

1146
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 6: I think I'm okay with that.

1147
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: Not remotely worth it as the league.

1148
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: Probably not. Again, it's a radio show. We have three

1149
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 5: hours to go.

1150
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: We got rich Ordan Berger fed stayed all in American.

1151
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: We've got Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. I'm Brian No

1152
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 3: coming up next. Two gigantic storylines, which one is more

1153
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: interesting to you? It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on

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Speaker 3: save at Progressive dot com. All right, fellas, we've got

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Speaker 3: two huge stories. We've got the PGA Tour and Live

1163
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: golf merging on a left field.

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: I love this storyline.

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00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: And then we also have Leonel Messi, the iconic soccer player.

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Speaker 1: He's joining Inner Miami.

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Speaker 3: He goes to MLS and so the question is simple,

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Speaker 3: which storyline is more interesting to you, not just now

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: but going forward? What this means for the MLS and

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Speaker 3: American soccer having Lionel Messi here or is it this

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01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: PGA live thing. I'm not saying I don't. I'm not

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: interested in Messi here in America.

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 3: But man the soap opera aspect of PGA and Live merging,

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 3: where PGA Commissioner Jay Monahan he is just crushing these

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: golfers that go.

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Speaker 1: To live where's your patriotism? You sellouts?

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: And then he turns around and makes a deal to

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: merge both entities. That is just dripping with a soap

1180
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: opera aspect that Leonel Messi just does not have. So

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01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: I would go with the merger myself.

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01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: The merger in my mind was the top story when

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 4: we compare the two because of the implications on the

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01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: world of sport. Now, Messi his deal may have shockwaves

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 4: through MLS in terms of his you know, partial owner

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 4: ship of his the money that MLS makes on their

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: season pass. I mean, that's that's pretty insane that he's

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01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: going to be able to share in what they profit

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 4: as a league from his signing with one of the

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01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 4: league's teams. However, this isn't groundbreaking in the sense that

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: David Beckham as long as he played out his entire contract.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 4: When he first signed with the Galaxy and agreed to

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: come over to the MLS, they said you could purchase

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: an MLS team at the price of twenty five million dollars,

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 4: and so the team he purchased was in Miami and

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01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: inter Minami is now worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 4: So David Beckham his deal was groundbreaking at the time.

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Speaker 4: What's crazy about this PGA Live merger is the fact

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Speaker 4: that j Monahan, PGA Commissioner drew such a hard and

1201
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: thick line between the PGA and live golf, between his

1202
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 4: players on the PGA Tour who are defending the tour

1203
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Speaker 4: and the defectors who went to go play for the evildoers.

1204
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: It was good versus evil, That's what it was. This

1205
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 4: wasn't financial, this was moral. He drew that line by

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01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: using the coalition of nine to eleven families he as

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01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 4: he borrowed their message as in a front to condemn

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Speaker 4: the players who left the PGA, and then within eighteen

1209
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 4: months turned his back on all that and said, you

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Speaker 4: know what, that money out there in Saudi Arabia with

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Speaker 4: the PIF.

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Speaker 1: Is crazy green.

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Speaker 4: We are going to change our views on this, and

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 4: I am going to be labeled as the greatest hypocrite

1215
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 4: potentially of all time. But in the meanwhile, I'm going

1216
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 4: to dab the beads of sweat that bunch up on

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01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 4: my forehead when I'm talking about this with one hundred

1218
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Speaker 4: dollars bills. Good night, everybody. That's that's an insane, earth

1219
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: rattling sports story we just witnessed this week.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I think I'll start with MESSI.

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 6: So inter Miami now has more Instagram followers than any baseball, football,

1222
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 6: hockey team basketball.

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: They gained four point one million just because he's signed there.

1224
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 5: And the team that he left lost all though.

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Speaker 6: Like it's just he is kind of the soccer god

1227
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Speaker 6: right now, and unlike when Beckham came over, he's kind

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01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 6: of still in his prime, I would say, on the

1229
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 6: back nine. But still he's got some good years left right,

1230
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 6: And it's going to turn the MLS into a more

1231
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 6: relevant product. Overall, the MLS is a vastly inferior product

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 6: to the English Premier League, the Bundesliga, La Lega, et cetera,

1233
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Speaker 6: et cetera. But now they've got a star, right and

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01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 6: when you have a star in the NBA, we see

1235
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Speaker 6: it all the time.

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Speaker 2: They have a star.

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 5: Now they are a contender.

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 6: So it definitely puts the MLS more squarely on the

1239
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 6: international map here in America. Probably not that impactful of

1240
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 6: a move. It probably won't move the needle too much

1241
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 6: in terms of where the MLS fits in the sports spectrum,

1242
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 6: but still important. The Live story is wild and the

1243
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 6: Monahan is now the villain himself that he was trying

1244
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 6: to portray Live to be. I will say this I

1245
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 6: think this story is more of a business story with

1246
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 6: sports implications. For example, CNBC broke the story. It wasn't

1247
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 6: broken by ESPN or some you know sports outlet.

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01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 5: The story was broken by CNBC. That tells you where

1249
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 5: it was born.

1250
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 6: This was a couple of guys in a room somewhere

1251
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 6: in an ivory tower making business decisions. And we know

1252
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 6: the names. It's done in the other PGA board executive.

1253
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 6: And then they brought Monahanan eventually to go meet with

1254
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 6: the pif you know, director, and eventually they came together.

1255
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Speaker 5: On this deal.

1256
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 6: But this is a business story that is obviously wrapped

1257
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 6: with major sporting implications. I don't think those implications will

1258
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 6: be felt this year. Everything seems status quo this year,

1259
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 6: next year and beyond is when I think the merger

1260
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 6: element will start to come into play. But this story

1261
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 6: is to me, the live story. It's kind of the

1262
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 6: love child of secession and billions together. Like it is

1263
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 6: a business story that is obviously going to, you know,

1264
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 6: have some ripple effects in our sporting world. But I

1265
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 6: don't really I can't really wrap my head around it

1266
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 6: yet because there's so many details about this deal that

1267
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 6: they made that we don't know yet, but it is wild,

1268
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 6: to say the least.

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Speaker 3: I think it's straight from pro wrestling. It's a storyline

1270
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: that seems like it's pro wrestling.

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Speaker 1: It's freaking real.

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Speaker 3: It seems like something that you would mesh together with

1273
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: all we got the nWo and then we're gonna do this,

1274
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna do that, and here's the turn,

1275
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 3: and like it seems like it was written, like it

1276
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: really played out.

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Speaker 2: The thirty for.

1278
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 3: Thirty between Live and the PGA Tour is gonna be

1279
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: freaking wild and it's going on. Rory McElroy is like,

1280
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: I still hate Live. That was a quote. I still

1281
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 3: hate them. Oh it's so juicy now now when we

1282
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: shift and talk about juicy, that is a description of

1283
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: the information that is just gushing from every pore of

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Speaker 3: one Isaac loewenkron I low here with the latest points.

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's a fountain of information today, fellas, because we're

1286
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 9: coming off Game four of the NBA Finals Friday night

1287
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 9: that saw Denver win in Miami won away to ninety

1288
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 9: five for a three games to one lead. Aaron Gordon

1289
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 9: leading Denver with twenty seven points on eleven out of

1290
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 9: fifteen shooting from the field. Nikola Jokic had twenty three

1291
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 9: points and twelve rebounds, while Bruce Brown came off the

1292
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 9: bench to score twenty one on eight of eleven shooting

1293
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 9: from the field. Denver's victory, however, did not dilute head

1294
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 9: coach Mike Malone's trademark saltiness.

1295
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 11: You know, I told her, guys the first thing, I said,

1296
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 11: we're not celebrating.

1297
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,479
Speaker 1: It's a good win. We've we've done our.

1298
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 11: Job, but we're not celebrating hope we've done anything yet.

1299
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 11: We know we're gonna have to go home and turn

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Speaker 11: off the TV, the radio, don't read the papers, don't

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Speaker 11: listen to everybody telling you how great you are, because

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Speaker 11: we haven't done a damn thing yet. We have to

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Speaker 11: win another game to be world champions.

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Speaker 9: You've heard of Debbie Downer. Mike Malone is Denver Downer anyway?

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Speaker 9: In Major League Baseball. On Friday Night Show, Hey Otadi

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Speaker 9: of the Angels at a home run and three hits

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Speaker 9: at the plate six strikeouts in five innings on the

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Speaker 9: mound as they beat the Seattle Mariners five to four.

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Speaker 9: Cobbs broke a four game losing streak with the three

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Speaker 9: to two victory over the Giants in San Francisco. The

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Speaker 9: Padres said five home runs and a nine to six

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Speaker 9: win of Colorado. Cardinals said three home runs in a

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Speaker 9: seven to four victory over Cincinnati. Oakland one at Milwaukee

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Speaker 9: five to two. It's the aged first three game winning

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Speaker 9: streak of the season, and the Chicago White Sox got

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Speaker 9: a two to one victory over the Twins. Luis Robert

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Speaker 9: the game winning RBI single in the bottom of the

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Speaker 9: ninth inning. The White Sox have won six of seven fellas.

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Speaker 9: All yours, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, I Lo.

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Speaker 3: caught some audio of the Arizona Cardinals war room. This

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Speaker 3: goes back to the draft in April, and so their

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Speaker 3: GM Monty ausen Fort Okay, he's on the phone with

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Speaker 3: the Houston Texans. They're going over parameter of a trade here, okay,

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Speaker 3: and you've got Arizona. They're on the clock and so

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: Manti Austin for it's like how much time we have?

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Speaker 1: Six minutes left.

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Speaker 3: These are like franchise altering moves. Potentially, as the Texans

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Speaker 3: are trying to move up to number three overall, they

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Speaker 3: make the deal to draft Will Anderson Junior. This is

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Speaker 3: a portion of how it sounded from the Cardinals YouTube page.

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Speaker 3: Some little behind the curtain, A sneak peak at the

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Speaker 3: war room in action.

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Speaker 12: Here, okay, here's here's going to be be twelve thirty three,

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Speaker 12: one oh four, kind of twenty four first for three

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Speaker 12: straight up? All right, give me a minute, make that

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Speaker 12: twenty four to two at ninety six has got to

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Speaker 12: drop one oh five. Called him great, wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I love the end.

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Speaker 3: That's the head coach Jonathan Gannon, just saying.

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Speaker 1: Wow wow to huh the music.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know if like Jason up and throw an

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Speaker 3: ax at mat or what like it's mo Yeah. It

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Speaker 3: sounded like a horror movie in the background right there.

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Speaker 3: This is the question I have, and this is the

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Speaker 3: nerd in me, But as a sports fan, where would

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Speaker 3: you like to go within reason that you aren't allowed

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Speaker 3: to go?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Because a war room is on the short list for me,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if I could be in a draft war

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Speaker 3: room and hear the conversations that will never know about

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, the team that is just

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,919
Speaker 3: completely irate that another team took the guy they were targeting,

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Speaker 3: and we know what happens in every single draft. I

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Speaker 3: would love to hear those trade negotiations and the stuff

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Speaker 3: that we never know. I would love to know all

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Speaker 3: those details.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I think I would.

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Speaker 4: I would echo that sentiment, you know, especially in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: where it feels like or it is so consequential what

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Speaker 4: happens during those days. Now, it can have an effect

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Speaker 4: on your well. First of all, if you're in the

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Speaker 4: position of general manager or you're a player personnel director

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 4: and this is all you do is scout talent and

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Speaker 4: look for pieces that are going to fit the puzzle

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Speaker 4: that you're you're putting together for your franchise. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you're staking your job on getting all that right, so

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Speaker 4: the stakes couldn't be higher. And then in terms of

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Speaker 4: in terms of just the fact that you truly are

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Speaker 4: being admitted to a place where you're going to learn

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Speaker 4: how all of the inner workings, like the like who

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01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: is in charge, right, you'll find out in a draft

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 4: war room. Who has final say yeah, you'll find out

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Speaker 4: in a draft war room. How much does the head

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01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 4: coach know about players in personnel? You'll find out in

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Speaker 4: a draft war room. So it's to me that that

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Speaker 4: might be the holy grail because even as a player

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Speaker 4: on all these rosters, I mean, I've been involved in

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Speaker 4: conversations that obviously, you know, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 4: get exposed to, you know, meetings with offensive coordinators and

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 4: position groups and squad meetings and team meetings and all

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Speaker 4: those things. Like I was never invited to the war room,

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Speaker 4: nor should I have been. I was a player on

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Speaker 4: the team. Maybe maybe some some of the trades could

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01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 4: have been involving me, you know, some of the packages

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Speaker 4: like you never know, you know. So it's it's an

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Speaker 4: interesting thing that I think so few people get an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to do. I would love to be to be

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Speaker 4: able to sit in on one of those.

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Speaker 5: Your value is so high, rich, it would never have

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Speaker 5: been traded.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, Yes, that's how sobering would that be

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Speaker 3: to hear conversations like yeah, you can throw Ornberger into the.

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Speaker 4: Well dude, Well, and that's that's The other thing is

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Speaker 4: you would find out exactly, like if your name got mentioned,

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Speaker 4: exactly how valuable you are based on what compensation you

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Speaker 4: were part of. Are you just an ad on you know?

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Speaker 4: Are you are you a feature piece of a trade?

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Speaker 4: Are you somebody who they speak about like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: well we could lose him, we could replace him. Or

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Speaker 4: is it one of those situations where they're you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, guarding you know, your value with with you know,

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Speaker 4: like with with an iron grip. It's you can learn

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Speaker 4: a lot in a war room. I think that's I

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Speaker 4: think that's the one place that so few people have

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Speaker 4: access to that so many would be interested to have

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Speaker 4: access to.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's funny how the show comes full circle because

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Speaker 6: I mentioned that clip at the top with Charlie Atkins,

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Speaker 6: by the way, that's the manager of Football Analytics and

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Speaker 6: Research that was also shown in that video. He was

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Speaker 6: titled and he was kind of digesting the trade offers

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Speaker 6: and then telling the GM and the other executives if

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Speaker 6: it's a good value deal or not based off of

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Speaker 6: what they were getting back and what they were giving up.

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Speaker 6: And again it just shows how the narrative and the

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Speaker 6: behind the scenes with these teams have changed. Analytics nerds

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Speaker 6: are in charge of deciding whether or not this trade

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Speaker 6: with this pick go on here and this pick on

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Speaker 6: there has value to it.

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Speaker 5: So fascinating stuff. I think the war rooms at the

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Speaker 5: top of the list.

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Speaker 6: I think the selection committee with the NCAA tournament would

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Speaker 6: be at the top of my list as well. I'd

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Speaker 6: love to hear some of those conversations. But I think

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Speaker 6: because of the movie Draft Day with Kevin Costner, I

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Speaker 6: think the war room is number one because to me,

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Speaker 6: being able to pull off a trade like that. Now,

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Speaker 6: I know that movie was dramatized to the one hundred degree,

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Speaker 6: but when we see the videos from behind the scenes,

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Speaker 6: I'll be honest, they kind of resemble that conversations a

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Speaker 6: little bit. And I do think what airs I mean,

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Speaker 6: Arizona as a team is not going to be that

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Speaker 6: exciting this year. This might be the most exciting piece

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 6: of content they put out all season. But it is

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Speaker 6: cool to kind of see how the sausage is made

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Speaker 6: with the nf draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what's the most boring war room?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: Like like, this is gonna be awesome on the wall

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Speaker 1: and then they.

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Speaker 5: Put a dog in Belichick's seat.

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 6: Remember that one time during the pandemic they put his

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Speaker 6: dog in his seat during the show.

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Speaker 1: And they're just like, we'll take the guard out of

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Speaker 1: Wichita State.

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Speaker 2: What am I doing here?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 3: We've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State, All American, Jared Smith

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Speaker 3: FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No coming up next. He's

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Speaker 3: now QB one kind of We'll have details for you.

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Speaker 3: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: dot Com. So rookie quarterback Bryce Young named QB one

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Speaker 3: by the Carolina Panthers as of right now, it's the

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Speaker 3: next step in the evolution.

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Speaker 1: As we would say.

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Speaker 3: According to head coach Frank Reich says, still got to

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Speaker 3: earn the job. He's in pencil right now, but he's

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Speaker 3: QB one taking all the first string reps or the

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Speaker 3: majority of them.

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Speaker 1: Now here's the thing with this news.

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Speaker 3: We go to the betting aspect here right now, Bryce

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Speaker 3: Young yardage for the season thirty five hundred and a half, right,

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Speaker 3: thirty five hundred point five. Also touchdowns for this season

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Speaker 3: twenty two and a half. What do you guys think

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Speaker 3: about that, You like the over or the under in

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Speaker 3: either of those departments.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking the over.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is going to be an offense,

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Speaker 4: like many NFL offenses, that's going to feature the talents

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Speaker 4: of the quarterback. And Frank Reich's history with quarterbacks is

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Speaker 4: especially year one quarterbacks, or I should say year one quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: With him, He's had a lot of veterans, he's had

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Speaker 4: a lot of younger quarterbacks as well, but he's got

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Speaker 4: a good track record, and so I think this is

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Speaker 4: going to be a more simplified offense this year. His

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Speaker 4: playing style is going to be different than defenses have seen.

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Speaker 4: You know, divisional opponents will get a second crack at him, obviously,

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Speaker 4: but it takes a little bit to find out a

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01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 4: young starting pitcher in MLB. It takes a little bit

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Speaker 4: to find out the strengths and weaknesses of a quarterback

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Speaker 4: in the NFL, and his pedigree coming from Alabama and

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 4: his makeup and his talent suggests to me that he's

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Speaker 4: one of those young quarterbacks, especially who he's paired with

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Speaker 4: in terms of his offensive coordinator and coach, who I

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Speaker 4: think could have some early gains in terms of results.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you look at their schedule.

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Speaker 6: First six games, Atlanta the road, tough game to open

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01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 6: on the road in the division. But then you get

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Speaker 6: New Orleans at home in prime time. Their defense is good.

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 6: But then Seattle, Minnesota, Detroit, Miami. Now four of those

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01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 6: six games are on the road. Going to Seattle's no picnic.

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01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 6: Going to Detroit that offense, that feels like a high

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01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 6: scoring game right there. Between those two teams. And in Miami,

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Speaker 6: of course, defensively, they've had their issues too, especially in

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Speaker 6: the secondary. So I could absolutely see a soft landing

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01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 6: for Bryce. I will say this, Rich's prediction of seventeen

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Speaker 6: starts for Bryce Young. I'm looking at our little chart

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Speaker 6: now that Brian Nossen us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, looking pretty good.

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Speaker 6: I'm at twelve, Brian's at eleven, and Rich has seventeen

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Speaker 6: for Bryce Young.

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01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 5: So good start for you. Rich, You're gonna start game one.

1516
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: Right, well, yeah.

1517
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 4: I mean, and look, nothing's promised obviously injury and that

1518
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 4: that was a conversation that came up last week when

1519
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 4: we put this together in terms of how many starts

1520
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 4: we think these rookies will have. That's that's a potentiality. Also,

1521
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 4: let's face it, how many bus have we seen over

1522
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 4: the past ten years, A lot, you.

1523
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 5: Know what, more bust than breakouts for sure.

1524
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 4: So I mean this, it's very possible that Bryce struggles

1525
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 4: this season. I just think that it's a more stable

1526
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 4: situation than a lot of first overall picks get to

1527
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 4: get to if that makes sense. And that's just the

1528
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 4: way I see it for now. That could change a

1529
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: lot once the bullets are flying for real at the

1530
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 4: NFL level, for any any quarterback or any player.

1531
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 3: I'll throw out Trevor Lawrence, Jags quarterback. Now, the key

1532
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: thing that you mentioned there, Rich, is a more stable

1533
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 3: environment like urban Meyer in the NFL not so stable,

1534
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 3: not so stable. But Trevor Lawrence threw for just over

1535
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 3: thirty six hundred yards his rookie season, threw for twelve touchdowns,

1536
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: that was it, and he played all seventeen games. So

1537
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: if he's barely getting over thirty five, one hundred playing

1538
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 3: all seventeen. I don't see that. For Bryce Young, I

1539
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 3: would take the under. I would take the under myself.

1540
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 2: All right.

1541
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 3: Coming up next, which free agent will make the bigger impact?

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1548
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Speaker 3: DeAndre Hopkins wide receiver, he's a free agent running back.

1549
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:42,440
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook formerly the Vikings free agent was released on Friday.

1550
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 3: Who will make the bigger impact? Okay, So let's look

1551
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 3: at the tail of the tape here, gents, if we will,

1552
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the first part of this. It's obviously

1553
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 3: where they land that makes a big difference. If let's

1554
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 3: take DeAndre Hopkins, if he goes to the Chiefs somehow someway,

1555
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: they do some cap gymnastics and make it work. When

1556
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 3: you're on the team with the best quarterback in the league,

1557
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 3: that makes a huge difference compared to another squad where

1558
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 3: if he went to Baltimore and he's playing alongside the

1559
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 3: most overrated player in the league right now in Lamar Jackson,

1560
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 3: so far a cry from Patrick Mahomes. So it depends

1561
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 3: where they land. But generally speaking, I think it's Dalvin Cook.

1562
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 3: If you look at Dalvin Cook over thirteen hundred yards

1563
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: from scrimmage in each of the past four seasons, He's

1564
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 3: going into year seven, DeAndre Hopkins Hopkins going into year eleven.

1565
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: And then you also think about availability.

1566
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 3: If you look at d hop he's only played nineteen

1567
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 3: games over the past two years. Think about that they

1568
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 3: play seventeen games a season. He's played nineteen over two years,

1569
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 3: had a ped suspension last season. You normally dive into

1570
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 3: the peds when you lost a step. He's been injury prone.

1571
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you as a dud. I'm just looking

1572
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: at Dalvin. He's probably gonna be more productive and he's cheaper.

1573
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 3: I would guess that Dalvin probably signs for half of

1574
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 3: what DeAndre Hopkins is going to sign for. So when

1575
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 3: you're looking at bigger impact, if I'm potentially getting better production,

1576
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: better numbers for the guy for half the price, I

1577
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: think it's Dalvin Cook all day.

1578
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 4: This reminds me of those commercials with the Fox that

1579
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: jumps on screen and he's he's talking about the used cars.

1580
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: He's like, show me the facts, Carfax.

1581
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 4: It's really it's really one of those things where where

1582
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: you're comparing two very different players from this standpoint, Like

1583
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a used car and it's for

1584
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 4: a specific need, like you're it's a work truck that

1585
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 4: you're really searching for, but maybe a minivan will do.

1586
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you start going, okay, well, we

1587
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 4: got to obviously break this down the price. We gotta

1588
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 4: break this down to you know, the history on these vehicles,

1589
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 4: and really how much I can get done with both

1590
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 4: of them. Like DeAndre Hopkins is the work truck you're

1591
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 4: looking for, but maybe he's too pricey. And you mentioned

1592
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 4: those injuries in those suspensions. You're like, gosh, I mean

1593
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 4: we're a little dinged up on the front end there,

1594
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 4: and also somebody poured sugar in the gas tank so

1595
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: it just wasn't clean for a little while there.

1596
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: Ah.

1597
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 4: But then you know you look at the other side

1598
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 4: and you're like, well this mini van, Dalvin Cook, Well,

1599
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 4: Dalvin's he's really reliable and he's cheaper, but it's not

1600
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 4: exactly what I'm looking for. Doesn't have storage space. Yeah,

1601
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 4: but it'd be nice if I could put like a

1602
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 4: full refrigerator in the bed of the truck, like DeAndre

1603
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 4: over there.

1604
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do here? Like it?

1605
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 4: I mean, they serve two very different purposes, so it's

1606
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 4: so difficult to compare. But at the same token, I'm

1607
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 4: right there with you. Show me the carfax, tell me

1608
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 4: about the injury history, tell me about the availability. Tell

1609
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 4: me about whether I'm gonna wake up in the morning

1610
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 4: on a frigid morning and the battery's gonna be dead,

1611
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 4: or if I'm gonna be reliably getting from point A

1612
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 4: to point B. And yeah, maybe my work friends will

1613
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 4: tease me because I'm showing up to a construction site

1614
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 4: in an astro van, But so what I mean if

1615
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 4: it's if it's capable and it's reliable, I think I'm

1616
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 4: gonna get more done offensively.

1617
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: With Dalvin Cook.

1618
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: I agree with you.

1619
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 6: I think the bang for your buck makes a whole

1620
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 6: lot of sense with Dalvin Cook. But it's just it

1621
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 6: boggles my mind where we are with the NFL that

1622
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 6: these types of players are just on the open market,

1623
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 6: floating around, and I think if you ask me which

1624
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 6: player has a better twenty twenty three season, I probably

1625
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 6: would lean Dalvin Cook. But I think the fit matters

1626
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 6: a lot with de Andre Hopkins, and I think for

1627
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 6: a wide receiver it matters a lot who your quarterback is,

1628
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:03,759
Speaker 6: whereas in the running back world that doesn't matter as much.

1629
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 6: I guess it does a little bit because the defenses

1630
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 6: can shade right. But I think in the running back

1631
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 6: world it is so much more dependent on your offensive

1632
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 6: line that the quarterback.

1633
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 5: You can have a good running back. I mean, look

1634
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 5: at Derek Henry.

1635
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 6: You gonna have a really good running back season and

1636
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 6: a bad quarterback season. Very hard to have a good

1637
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 6: wide receiver season with a bad quarterback season. So I

1638
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 6: think the duo and the combination the battery matters a

1639
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 6: lot more with DeAndre Hopkins than it does with Dalvin Cook.

1640
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 6: You could probably plug Dalvin Cook to a lot of

1641
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 6: teams and he has a very similar productive season like

1642
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 6: he had last year. I don't know if that's the

1643
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 6: same with DeAndre Hopkins, so there's some nuance there, but yeah,

1644
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:45,959
Speaker 6: the bang.

1645
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 5: For your buck with Cook is gonna be significantly more.

1646
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 6: You're probably gonna score more touchdowns and pay less money

1647
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 6: per touchdown with Dalvin Cook than you will with DeAndre Hopkins.

1648
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 3: I love the tweet that DeAndre Hopkins just put out

1649
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 3: where he was responding to the original morning tweet. It

1650
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 3: was yesterday, but the original tweet complimented him, and the

1651
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 3: guy just wrote that Hopkins ranked second at beating man coverage.

1652
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 3: He earned ten point seven targets per game, he was

1653
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 3: eighth best at earning targets per route run. And then

1654
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 3: he says this shows he had no drop off in

1655
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 3: his ability to get open, and Hopkins just responded, sh

1656
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 3: I'm old and can't get open. It's like that's what

1657
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 3: it sounds like mostly from people talking about DeAndre Hopkins.

1658
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 3: I just I know that he's not the same dynamic

1659
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 3: player he once was. I still think he can be

1660
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 3: an asset. I just think that Dalvin Cook provides more value.

1661
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 3: And that's what's so funny is we look at the

1662
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 3: running back position and say it's been devalued, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1663
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 3: The market certainly has what these guys make certainly has

1664
01:26:56,120 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: been devalued. But the conversation shifts when all of the sudden,

1665
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 3: you say, Okay, who's going to be more productive in

1666
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three? Is it Dalvin Cook, this running back,

1667
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: or is it this wide receiver? Like UH wide receiver? Right, Like,

1668
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: the market is much better than running backs. OBJ just

1669
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 3: got fifteen million. Beckham Junior's coming off as second ACL.

1670
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 3: There's no way Dalvin Cook is getting fifteen million. So

1671
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: it's apples and oranges in terms of market value. But

1672
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: when you're talking production, it is interesting how quickly the

1673
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 3: conversation shifts and now all of a sudden, we're team Cook.

1674
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1675
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 3: Don't confuse market and what you're making with actual impact

1676
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 3: and percentage of carries rushes. It matters, and so that

1677
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,520
Speaker 3: part of it has not been devalued.

1678
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: With running backs, well there is.

1679
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 4: There is a huge difference though, and how much you

1680
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 4: can get done and how fast. Like a thousand yard

1681
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 4: receiver looks very different than a thousand yard running back

1682
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 4: because typically a thousand yard running back requires two hundred

1683
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 4: plus carries to get there, and typically a receiver with

1684
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 4: over one thousand yards I mean sometimes that's eighty six catches.

1685
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 4: So think about the chunk plays we're talking about you know,

1686
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 4: instead of you know, four yards per carry or five

1687
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 4: yards per carry being an exceptional season for a running

1688
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 4: back in the run game, I mean fifteen yards per reception.

1689
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 4: Sixteen seventeen yards per reception is an exceptional year for

1690
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 4: a wide receiver in the passing game. So it's just

1691
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 4: a way more explosive way to exploit defenses when we're

1692
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 4: comparing a Pro Bowl season from a receiver versus a

1693
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl season from a running back. Is there still

1694
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 4: room in the NFL for a run game and a

1695
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 4: reason to harvest talent in free agency or in the

1696
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 4: draft or in trade. Oh yeah, like that continue used

1697
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 4: to be the case. And unless they really really change

1698
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 4: the rules in the NFL to benefit the passing game,

1699
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 4: I feel like it'll always be a part of the game.

1700
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 4: But going back to the comparison I made, if you're

1701
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 4: looking for a work truck and you buy a minivan,

1702
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 4: there are gonna be things that your work truck could

1703
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 4: do that your minivan can't. You know, It's it's like

1704
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook is only going to be as helpful in

1705
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 4: the passing game as a running back can possibly be.

1706
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 4: If DeAndre Hopkins comes back healthy and he has a

1707
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 4: you know, one of his better seasons, so twelve hundred

1708
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 4: yard season, a fifteen hundred yard season like we've seen

1709
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 4: in the past from him, which is unlikely. But if

1710
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 4: and if Dalvin Cook replicates his best season, you would

1711
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: you'd rather have DeAndre Hopkins because it's going to be

1712
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 4: more impactful on your season in total.

1713
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.

1714
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 6: I think I think this debates a little harder because

1715
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 6: they play different positions. I think that makes it a

1716
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 6: little bit more difficult to gauge. And these positions, again,

1717
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 6: are valued so differently in the NFL today that when

1718
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 6: you look at what Hopkins is right now, it is core.

1719
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of teams like, let's just

1720
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 5: leave it at this.

1721
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 6: I'm I'm more surprised that Hopkins got released than Dalvin Cook,

1722
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 6: right And and that's I always kind of make this

1723
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 6: distinction when when I'm worried about when I'm trying to

1724
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 6: grade other teams in what they do, I try to

1725
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 6: look at it from I would I would or would

1726
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 6: not have done that. I might have released Dalvin Cook

1727
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 6: because I understand where the NFL situation is right now

1728
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 6: with running backs. The Hopkins situation really puzzled me because

1729
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 6: receivers are valued so highly today and the great ones

1730
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 6: are such a they're so few and far between, and

1731
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 6: Hopkins is a great one. Say what you want about

1732
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 6: the current state of his career and where he is

1733
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 6: back nine, front nine, he is a great receiver. But

1734
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 6: to let him walk and to release him at the

1735
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 6: time that they did was so surprising to me. That's

1736
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 6: why I think he might have more value to a

1737
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 6: team at some point, and he will.

1738
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 5: He will get paid more than Dalvin Cook, I'm pretty

1739
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 5: sure that.

1740
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 6: But that's where I think the value question gets muddied

1741
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 6: a little bit because if you just look at the

1742
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 6: counting stats, Dalvin Cook can have a better season, He's

1743
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 6: probably gonna have more yards, more touchdowns, et cetera. But

1744
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 6: a lot of teams are gonna value Hopkins more because

1745
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,640
Speaker 6: of the impact that he can bring to the secondary,

1746
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 6: you know, having to force coverages to move away from

1747
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 6: a certain guy. The just the overall force that he

1748
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 6: brings to a lineup I think also is very valuable.

1749
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 6: So this is a very interesting conversation because these are

1750
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 6: two elite offensive players that play different positions that are

1751
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 6: you know, a little bit different in age, but still

1752
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 6: I think Hopkins at an age where you can still

1753
01:31:56,160 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 6: contribute Cook being of course younger, but because of just

1754
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 6: the positional value gap between what they do on the field,

1755
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 6: it's really a hard conversation to have.

1756
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 3: I just think it's interesting because more times than not

1757
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 3: the conversation you'll hear people say when it comes to

1758
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 3: the NFL Draft, I would not draft a running back

1759
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 3: in the first round, just would never ever do it.

1760
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who think that way.

1761
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 3: And then you'll yeah, you'll get a ball, You'll get

1762
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 3: Jon Robinson. Yeah, they both went in the top twelve,

1763
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 3: Bijon and Jamier Gibbs, and the first wide receiver went

1764
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 3: twentieth overall. That's Jackson Smith and Jigma to the Seahawks.

1765
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 3: So it's just weird, like you'll typically get ah screwed

1766
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 3: running back down man, you dime a dozen BA and

1767
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you get a curveball and

1768
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 3: it's like, whoa top ten?

1769
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Whoa twelfth overall? And they traded to get that guy.

1770
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 3: So it's just funny how some of those curveballs they

1771
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 3: are the outliers.

1772
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.

1773
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 3: But I still think it comes back to you don't

1774
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 3: I sound like a broken record, But don't confuse market

1775
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 3: what these guys make financially with how much they're asked

1776
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 3: to do. Right, if you're carrying the ball three hundred times,

1777
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 3: like you aren't devalued in terms of percentage that you

1778
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 3: have within that offense. And I think we're just looking

1779
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 3: at the market instead of the chunk that you have

1780
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 3: and what you're asked to do within an offense. Like

1781
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 3: Dereck Henry is not going to be making as much

1782
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 3: as a wide receiver, not even close. The guy had

1783
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty nine carries last year. That that's

1784
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 3: a huge workload. So I just separate. It's like church

1785
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 3: and state. I separate market from workload. They are not

1786
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 3: the same thing in my eyes.

1787
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 4: All yeah, I mean I get it, and I know

1788
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,840
Speaker 4: where you're coming from. But like the the level of

1789
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 4: production from other positions around on the offense, like for example,

1790
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 4: an offensive guard, you know, I mean they're on the

1791
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 4: field for a thousand plays a season, maybe more. You know,

1792
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 4: if he's your game one starter to game seventeen starter.

1793
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 4: But if he gets hurt and you have a backup

1794
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 4: who's competent, you're gonna You're not gonna really miss that

1795
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 4: guard unless he's like maybe a Pro Bowl All Pro

1796
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 4: player who's just such a lynchpin in the sweep game,

1797
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 4: like pulling out there and mowing down cornerbacks on run plays.

1798
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 4: And you are the Tennessee Titans who feature the run.

1799
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 4: I mean maybe, but let's face it, like the guard,

1800
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 4: the offensive guard, your right guard is relatively inconsequential when

1801
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 4: you compare him to a running back or when you

1802
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 4: compare him to a wide receiver, And I think there's

1803
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 4: a bigger gap growing. Now, who do I think is

1804
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,759
Speaker 4: going to have the better season more likely next season,

1805
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 4: Dalvin Cook or DeAndre Hopkins. Dalvin Cook, in my mind,

1806
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 4: is going to have the better season, and I think

1807
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 4: that's dependent on where he signs, where Deanonda Hopkins signs.

1808
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 4: But that's just where I'm at two day, looking at

1809
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 4: their past two years as examples of what to project

1810
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 4: moving forward. And so I agree with you there that

1811
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 4: to me, he's the better option. But it's not because

1812
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 4: he's going to get the most touches. Because again going

1813
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 4: back to that offensive guard, he's going to be on

1814
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 4: the field more than DeAndre or Dalvin, but he's not

1815
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 4: as consequential. So DeAndre Hopkins in terms of if he

1816
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 4: has a great season, how he can change a game

1817
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 4: in a moment's notice. I mean his value should be

1818
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 4: higher because wide receivers, in the way they've opened up

1819
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 4: the NFL with the new rules in the passing game,

1820
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 4: are they benefit your offense in ways that running backs

1821
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 4: just they can't. They frankly never could and never will

1822
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 4: be able to again because of these rule changes.

1823
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, the wide receiver position in the NFL, I mean

1824
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 6: it's so wild because you know, we play fantasy football

1825
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 6: a lot, and that's where a lot of the gambling

1826
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 6: stuff was birth. And you just know these guys' names

1827
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 6: and you know so much more about them than you

1828
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 6: do the cornerbacks or the defensive players, or you know,

1829
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 6: the kickers or the punters or anything like that. Like,

1830
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 6: the wide receiver position, because of the current state of

1831
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 6: the NFL, is the most talked about, one of the

1832
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 6: most other than I would say quarterback, the most talked

1833
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 6: about position amongst gamblers, fans, etc.

1834
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 5: Etc. Casual fans.

1835
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 6: The running back position still gets the flies, it still

1836
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 6: gets a lot of attention, but I would say they're

1837
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 6: more dime a dozen and that's where that's.

1838
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 5: The current state of this. Like, I'm curious if you

1839
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 5: if you play, I don't have the numbers in front

1840
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 5: of me. I should have pulled them up.

1841
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:42,919
Speaker 6: The above replacement numbers for TRIST for Dalvin Cook compared

1842
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 6: to DeAndre.

1843
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 5: Hopkins, and I'm curious if.

1844
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 6: If Dalvin's numbers above the replacement level running back are

1845
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 6: that much higher. If I had to guess, I would

1846
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 6: say Hopkins has better war right wins above replacement than

1847
01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 6: Dalvin Cook over the years.

1848
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,759
Speaker 5: But that's just a guess. I don't all that for sure.

1849
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 5: But to me, I think Dalvin Cook's numbers.

1850
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 6: I reserved the right to change my opinion when I

1851
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 6: find out what teams they play for.

1852
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 5: Let's just leave it at that.

1853
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that matters, It absolutely matters. Okay, We've got Rich Ornberger,

1854
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 3: the Penn State All American. He's a master on the

1855
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 3: grill and he wears tight T shirts. Yeah, We've got

1856
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 3: Jared Smith FSR, betting analyst. He's a fine man. Has

1857
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 3: a dog named Jackpot.

1858
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you for that.

1859
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Shout out to Jackpott. I'm Brian right now.

1860
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 6: Is clearly my arguments about Dalvin cooking DeAndre Hopkins are

1861
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 6: not that invigorating for him.

1862
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 1: Game four wore them out.

1863
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's totally totally too much winning last night.

1864
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 3: There's a sweat there where the Nuggets gonna get to

1865
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,879
Speaker 3: over one O seven.

1866
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Got there? Very good, plain sweep for you, very nice?

1867
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 2: All right?

1868
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,680
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1869
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,720
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1870
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1871
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:01,880
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1872
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:05,440
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1877
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Speaker 3: so on Thursday, the Big Ten announced it's twenty twenty

1878
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 3: four and twenty twenty five college football schedules, which I

1879
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 3: find to be incredibly weird. We're talking about schedules in

1880
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, Like really, this would be like announcing

1881
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 3: if this were the NFL, the NFL announcing hey, in

1882
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, the Chiefs are gonna play the Dolphins,

1883
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 3: and you'd be like, uh, okay, cool. Can can we

1884
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 3: focus on twenty twenty three. Right now, I don't know.

1885
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 3: But anyway, the Big Ten they announced the schedules for

1886
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 3: next year and the following year in twenty five. You

1887
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 3: will see next year USC at Michigan, Ohio State at UCLA.

1888
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 3: They're keeping nine conference games next year, no divisions, which

1889
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 3: I like, you're not going to see, you know, some

1890
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 3: Big Ten East team play some some four loss team

1891
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 3: from the West or something like. It's gonna be the

1892
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 3: two top teams in the championship game of the Big Ten.

1893
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 3: I think that makes a lot of sense that will

1894
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 3: happen next year. But the announcement kind of weird to me.

1895
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: How do you guys feel about that? Strange to you

1896
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:34,959
Speaker 3: as well?

1897
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's strange. I mean, look, they're trying to obviously

1898
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 4: get a little buzz going because because of the additions

1899
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 4: that will be arriving in twenty twenty four and twenty

1900
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 4: twenty five, and it just sort of cements what we

1901
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 4: know about sports. It's really not whether or not you

1902
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 4: have the best, or you have the brightest, or or

1903
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 4: the or frankly, even even the talent. You just need

1904
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 4: the attention. Like we're we're living in an attention economy,

1905
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 4: and I sort of feel like, you know, all of

1906
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 4: the college football news has been about, well, what's gonna

1907
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 4: happen with the PAC twelve, and everybody's waiting to see

1908
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 4: what the broadcast rights look like, and you know, are

1909
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 4: they going to merge with another conference or you know,

1910
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 4: are they going to add more teams? You know when

1911
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 4: that when's that announcement coming? And and these conferences the

1912
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 4: SEC needs no help. They they they realize like, oh geez,

1913
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 4: you know, look, look at the watch. It's been months

1914
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 4: since anybody's talked about the Big ten. Let's put something together.

1915
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 4: The most important thing I think in the whole press

1916
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 4: release on Thursday was the fact that the conference also

1917
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:56,919
Speaker 4: announced the flex Protect plus model that's gonna give schools

1918
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 4: the ability to have three you protected annual rivalries. So

1919
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 4: the conference will also continue with the nine game schedule

1920
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 4: featuring a rotation of conference opponents on a two year basis,

1921
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,440
Speaker 4: but you'll be able to protect three of the rivalries.

1922
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 4: And so that's going to be important obviously to an

1923
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:22,520
Speaker 4: Ohio State Michigan or you know, the Michigan Michigan State rivalry.

1924
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,759
Speaker 4: If it's important enough to both sides that they continue

1925
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 4: doing things like that because rivalries when you add so

1926
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,679
Speaker 4: many teams to these conferences and you have these giant

1927
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 4: super conferences, now they can start falling by the wayside

1928
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 4: if you don't have them every single year like you

1929
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 4: normally do.

1930
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 6: I've already purchased my tickets for Penn State at USC

1931
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five.

1932
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: Are they heading out there?

1933
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 6: I'm already, Rich and I We're gonna tailgate, right Rich,

1934
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 6: all day. We'll do the show in the morning. Maybe

1935
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 6: hopefully we'll from the.

1936
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 2: Parking lot most lightly.

1937
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Rose Bull out there or or where where

1938
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 4: is this one?

1939
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 6: Is this on USC's campus. I'm assuming it'll be. I mean,

1940
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 6: if you have Penn State in town, you better be

1941
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 6: playing at the Rose Bowl. But speaking of Penn State

1942
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 6: and not to you know, completely gravitate the conversation around

1943
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 6: our alma mater. But the one thing I do find

1944
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 6: very interesting with those because Rich, you mentioned that the

1945
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 6: two play opponents. Penn State is the only team in

1946
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:25,719
Speaker 6: the Big Ten that does not have a protected opponent

1947
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 6: going crazy. Yeah, it's very unique, and my friends and

1948
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 6: I were going back and forth about it in our

1949
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 6: Penn State group chat a couple of days ago in

1950
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Speaker 6: this drop.

1951
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

1952
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: Is it a lion like Ara?

1953
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 5: No, it's I wish that would be cool though, I should,

1954
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 5: we should, we should set that up. Man, we can

1955
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 5: get one of those custom group chats if you.

1956
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Speaker 3: If you have a born state, you can't do cool

1957
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 3: stuff like that. Yeah, fair enough.

1958
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Speaker 6: It was interesting to me because, let's be honest, I

1959
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 6: think if you asked me of the teams that are

1960
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 6: in the Big Ten that every team wants to play

1961
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 6: because of for notoriety reasons, I put Penn State near

1962
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 6: the top of the list.

1963
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 5: Right.

1964
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 6: Maybe I don't say Michigan or one too, but I

1965
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 6: put Penn State very close to that. So I did

1966
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 6: find it interesting. And maybe it's because they were a

1967
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 6: relative newcomer to the Big Ten when they were forming

1968
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 6: in the early nineties, right, and they didn't get a

1969
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 6: natural rival. I think Penn State's only true rival is

1970
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 6: Michigan State for the land Grant trophy. Like, I'm okay

1971
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 6: with that. Going to the wayside, that trophy is a monstrosity.

1972
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 6: Although Rich, I know when you guys wanted it was probably.

1973
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 5: Your favorite piece of hardware that particular way, Yes, but.

1974
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:41,080
Speaker 6: Important to the trophy case over there the I mean

1975
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 6: that thing looks like that is that is the ugliest

1976
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 6: tropey I think every scene in my life.

1977
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 5: But so so that rivalry is going away.

1978
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 6: I use rivalry and air quotes Penn State Rutgers like

1979
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 6: sure regional. You know, I know Penn State has a

1980
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 6: lot of you know, New Jersey recruiting ties, but that's

1981
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 6: not a rivalry. It is interesting that of all the

1982
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 6: schools in the Big Ten, Penn State no natural rivals,

1983
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:09,600
Speaker 6: no protected opponents. They're kind of the freelance of the

1984
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:10,799
Speaker 6: Big Ten going forward.

1985
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're saying, Jared.

1986
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 3: So each team in the Big Ten they'll play three

1987
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:20,519
Speaker 3: other teams in both twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five.

1988
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 3: So these are sort of the quote unquote rivalry games, right,

1989
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 3: And so I find it interesting who UCLA and USC

1990
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 3: get because they're new members of the Big Ten starting

1991
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 3: next year, and so USC they obviously get Ucla and

1992
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 3: they're like, ah, we'll give them Wisconsin and Penn State.

1993
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 5: I like those matchups.

1994
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 6: Those really like the Pentstate USC matchup. Man, that game

1995
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 6: and Happy Valley is gonna be lit.

1996
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: How about Ucla?

1997
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 3: Ucla, they'll play three teams in twenty four and twenty five,

1998
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 3: it's USC, Nebraska and Rutgers.

1999
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: They're like, Eh, we give him Rutgers both years? Why not?

2000
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what else are we going to do?

2001
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,799
Speaker 1: Just the thought process behind that is interesting.

2002
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 4: I'm having such a hard time, though, getting excited about

2003
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 4: something that's still a full season.

2004
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 6: We get two more full seasons rich before we get

2005
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 6: to go to Pasadena and watch Penn State play.

2006
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 3: It is so weird, really it is. It's like, you know,

2007
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 3: UCLA and USC are still dating the pac twelve. Yeah,

2008
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 3: and yet they're forecasting and making all these plans for

2009
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 3: their next girlfriend while they're still dating their current one.

2010
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

2011
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 2: So weird, I will say it is.

2012
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 4: It's to both of your points, like, it's weird that

2013
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 4: we're we're doing this now. But at the same token,

2014
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 4: it's awesome to imagine, for whatever reason, Ohio State at

2015
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 4: the Rose Ball playing the Bruins. It's it's it's incredible

2016
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 4: to think about, you know, Penn State at the Coliseum

2017
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 4: playing the Trojans like that.

2018
01:45:57,880 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 2: It's weird.

2019
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 4: It's it's stuff that, it's stuff that you don't see

2020
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 4: very often in college football, and I didn't think at

2021
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 4: first I'd like it. I didn't think at first I

2022
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 4: would be on board with it, like making now these

2023
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:18,759
Speaker 4: really strange geographical alliances where you have this southwestern corner

2024
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 4: of the United States linking up with what used to

2025
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 4: be kind of a Midwest powerhouse house conference. But the

2026
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,680
Speaker 4: more I don't know, the more weird sports gets and

2027
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 4: realignment gets. Anyways, if you're gonna do it, it sort

2028
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 4: of feels like, the more I think about it, these

2029
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 4: two brands kind of fit with the.

2030
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Big Ten because the Big Ten's also changed.

2031
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 4: It's it's no longer you know the offensive line running

2032
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 4: back factory it used to be. It's starting to catch

2033
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:52,479
Speaker 4: up with the skill of the SEC and the ACC

2034
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 4: now frankly, and it's it's becoming what college football is

2035
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 4: being known for, which is producing these high flying offenses.

2036
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 4: And Ohio State is sort of leading the charge there,

2037
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 4: but not close behind are some of the other top

2038
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 4: Big Ten schools and soon to be UCLA and USC.

2039
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,879
Speaker 4: But but yeah, like when we start going down schedule items,

2040
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I don't even I don't even know,

2041
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:19,919
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't tell you who the US he opens

2042
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 4: with next season, let alone who they open with in

2043
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.

2044
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 1: Well, you talk about it.

2045
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 5: I think the melting pot of college football is here. Guys.

2046
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 6: The SEC is not a defensive league anymore either. Like,

2047
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 6: just give me the top teams. I don't care about

2048
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 6: the conferences or where they have to travel. Just give

2049
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 6: me the top teams playing each other every year. That's

2050
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 6: all I want to see.

2051
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 3: Well, the top of our top team would be one

2052
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 3: Isaac lowen Kron.

2053
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,600
Speaker 1: You talk about leading a.

2054
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 3: High level offense, pulling the shots, making it run like

2055
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 3: a well oiled machine.

2056
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:52,600
Speaker 1: That would be one I low I forget.

2057
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 9: And especially in a few moments, because speaking of college sports,

2058
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 9: I've got a college baseball item coming up for you,

2059
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 9: fellows that have been able to stop laughing at first

2060
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 9: Up though Game four the NBA Finals Friday night. It

2061
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 9: saw Denver win in Miami one away to ninety five

2062
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 9: for a three games to one lead. Aaron Gordon leading

2063
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 9: Denver with twenty seven on eleven to fifteen shooting from

2064
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 9: the field, Nikola Jokic twenty three points and twelve rebounds,

2065
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 9: Bruce Brown off the bench with twenty one on eight

2066
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 9: of eleven shooting, and Major League Baseball on Friday night

2067
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 9: the Angels defeated Seattle five to four, show hey Otani

2068
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,719
Speaker 9: a home run and three hits at the plate six

2069
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 9: strikeouts in five innings on the mound. Cubbs broke a

2070
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 9: four game losing streak with a three to two victory

2071
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 9: over the Giants in San Francisco, and the Padres hit

2072
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 9: five home runs in a nine to six win at Colorado,

2073
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 9: helping you Darvish earn the one hundredth win of his career.

2074
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 9: The Waukees have lost five straight and nine of their

2075
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 9: last eleven. Now College Baseball's best of three Super Regionals

2076
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 9: are taking place this weekend. One of the most passionate

2077
01:48:53,479 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 9: matchups is Southern miss hosting Tennessee, and you won't believe why.

2078
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 9: In the build up to the series, visiting Tennessee fans

2079
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 9: started complaining on social media because Hattiesburg, the city where

2080
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 9: Southern Myss is located, does not have an Apple Bee's.

2081
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 5: A.

2082
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 9: It's caused a frenzied response on social media by Southern

2083
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 9: Myss fans, including the official account of the City of

2084
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 9: Hattiesburg tweeting our thriving economy is home to more than

2085
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:32,599
Speaker 9: two hundred local restaurants. Granted, it may not be the

2086
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:38,160
Speaker 9: Bourbon Street steak and Oreo shake you love shrug emoji.

2087
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 9: So who would have thought that the rivalry for a

2088
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,640
Speaker 9: trip to the College World Series has been taken to

2089
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 9: a new level because of apple Bees or lack thereof,

2090
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 9: fellas back to you good stuff?

2091
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I low, people don't believe me. I love apple Bee's.

2092
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's part of the common chiefs?

2093
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: It's fay.

2094
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 9: You might as well start singing Rocky Top after saying that.

2095
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,640
Speaker 2: So good? So I don't know what they're appetizer trios.

2096
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like Applebee's is a bit

2097
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 3: like the nickelback of the food.

2098
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 5: World boy, where it's just start to open up a

2099
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 5: can of work.

2100
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,799
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you it's just fashionable to talk smack

2101
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 3: about bold And the difference is Applebee's actually a good nickelback?

2102
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 5: Is not?

2103
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 3: But it's just fashionable to be like Applebee's sucks.

2104
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 1: It's a good mid chain restaurant. What's wrong with Applebee's?

2105
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:34,879
Speaker 1: Nothing like they're monceats, big fan of their ribs?

2106
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean I look, but this is also

2107
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 4: coming from a guy who doesn't mind a little nickelback.

2108
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 5: Look at it? Low the ground, Oh yeah.

2109
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't mind.

2110
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 5: Let's go.

2111
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, if I'm at Applebee's and

2112
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:53,639
Speaker 4: they're playing nickelback, oh that's the elite, not in.

2113
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: A bad place.

2114
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 3: Did you ever see This is a long time ago,

2115
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,080
Speaker 3: but did you ever see how Kenny Maine used to

2116
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 3: do those like silly things. It's kind of like Kenny

2117
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 3: Maine shorts when Yeah and he had Marshaw and Lynch

2118
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 3: go to an Applebee's. Oh, it's just hysterical, man, it

2119
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 3: was very funny.

2120
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 4: Man enjoying a chicken fajita roll up and uh, just

2121
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 4: some good company. Maybe finish it off with a triple

2122
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:23,679
Speaker 4: chocolate meltdown.

2123
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 3: I am now on their menu with you gotta go

2124
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 3: with the Uh. I forget what their cookie is? A

2125
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 3: blondie I think is what it's called blondie.

2126
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,040
Speaker 4: Well, they are no longer on the menu, at least

2127
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:38,519
Speaker 4: on their their corporate website, but the brownie bite with

2128
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 4: the scoop of vanilla is there in the new Cinnabon

2129
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:41,719
Speaker 4: Mini Swirl.

2130
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:43,959
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm I'm gonna.

2131
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 4: Have to run you guys, yeah, right in line outside.

2132
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,520
Speaker 5: Thanks for making the next three hours of awesome.

2133
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Speaker 3: Tailgate until it opens here on the West Coast. All right,

2134
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 3: we've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American. Jared Smith

2135
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 3: is with us as well. Fsrding analyst, I'm Brian No.

2136
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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we'll get you some gambling picks and

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Speaker 1: Throws it to Joe for picking Pop three.

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2142
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Speaker 13: to thirty.

2143
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Speaker 1: Seven in the basketball game.

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2145
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2146
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Speaker 3: is up three to one in the NBA Finals against

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Speaker 3: the Heat have a chance to close it out in

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Speaker 3: Game five on Sunday. Hey, props to the crew Bo Benson,

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Speaker 3: our trusted producer, Iowa Sam technical producer at Stordinaire and

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Speaker 3: Isaac Loewenkron on the updates top the hour, up on

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Speaker 3: you keep it locked here on FSR and get all

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Speaker 3: the goodness at the top of the hour. Okay, So

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Speaker 3: we've gotten some critical feedback here. Okay, critical feedback. This

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Speaker 3: is directed most notably at you, Rich and your your

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Speaker 3: idea to let NFL players gamble on NFL games. Fernando

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Speaker 3: checked in and said, is this a real conversation? I

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Speaker 3: know Rich and Jared just have ideas, but this is

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Speaker 3: crazy slash naive. It's not even the players we'd have

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Speaker 3: to worry about, but every shady character who'd become involved

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Speaker 3: in ruin whatever good intention there may be.

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Speaker 1: How do you respond to that, mister rich Hornberger.

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Speaker 4: Well, what we were talking about, and I'll reiterate the

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Speaker 4: point is players or staff being able to bet on

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Speaker 4: their own team. Like if there was a process where I,

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Speaker 4: you know, John Doe football player, you know, during the

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Speaker 4: course of my NFL career, had to place any or

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Speaker 4: all bets before a certain point in the week on

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Speaker 4: my team or our success. Now, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 4: player props, I'm not talking about I'm not talking about

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Speaker 4: anything any exotic bets. I'm talking about simply betting the spread,

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Speaker 4: just saying, guess what, we are ten point underdogs on

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Speaker 4: the road in Miami this week. I'm taking us and

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Speaker 4: I'm going to take that to the bank with fifty

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars, you know what I mean. And I'm doing

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Speaker 4: it with my app gambling partner BETTBM or fan du

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Speaker 4: or or whatever. Right you know, that to me is

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Speaker 4: something that players should have the availability to do for

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Speaker 4: advertising purposes. And if you're just betting on your team

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Speaker 4: to win, isn't that what we're doing every week? Anyways,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm putting in the effort, I'm staking my reputation,

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Speaker 4: I'm staking my career on the fact that I think

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Speaker 4: I'm better than you. So I don't understand why there's

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Speaker 4: such a taboo around the subject, especially when the NFL

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Speaker 4: corporate We're the first open the doors. The owners welcome

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Speaker 4: this in, and now they're trying to forbid players from

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Speaker 4: having any sort of participation or monetary game.

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Speaker 6: For the record, I am against players gambling. I am

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Speaker 6: not against players getting opportunities to partner with gambling companies

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Speaker 6: if it means there's lucrative sponsorship investments available. I am

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Speaker 6: against a player opening up his account and dropping one

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Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars on a team to win X, even

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Speaker 6: if it is his team. But I think they're because

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Speaker 6: of how mainstream this is becoming.

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Speaker 5: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 6: I see Wayne Gretzky on my TV every day talking

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Speaker 6: about bet MGM NAHL deals, and I know he's not

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Speaker 6: a current player. I understand that, but I don't see

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Speaker 6: a huge gap between that and Dak Prescott promoting bet MGM.

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Speaker 6: To me, that that that I think is a gray

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Speaker 6: area that I'm okay with with entering. I'm not okay

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Speaker 6: with entering the gray area of players actually wagering their

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Speaker 6: money on their team to win. I understand the reasoning

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Speaker 6: behind it, Rich and I agree with your reasoning, but

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Speaker 6: I think that is a Pandora's box that is too

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Speaker 6: delicate to open.

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Speaker 3: Way too delicate and that's the thing is if you

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Speaker 3: bet on your team to say, win the Super Bowl, well,

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Speaker 3: what if you're traded now all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: You good point.

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Speaker 5: That is a very good point.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good point.

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Speaker 5: I hope Dak Prescott never gets traded, but that's a

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Speaker 5: good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But again, like what what difference will make? It's a

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Speaker 4: future's bet. It's not like it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you may have had information on what

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Speaker 4: you guys were going to do at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the season to help you feel secure and making that bet,

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Speaker 4: but I mean, getting traded to me doesn't change the morality.

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Speaker 6: It feels like optics though I think that's the only

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Speaker 6: thing about it. It's optics, Like there's nothing anything structurally

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Speaker 6: wrong with it.

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Speaker 5: It's just how it appears to the public.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, and in a very puritanical way,

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Speaker 4: that was the argument against sports betting being involved with You.

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Speaker 5: Totally agree, which is the irony with all of this.

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Speaker 4: So point, this conversation may sound very foolish ten years

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Speaker 4: from now when players are like, join me, Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 4: with my sportsbook partner, as I wager to beat the

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Speaker 4: you know, the New York Jets next week, you know,

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Speaker 4: like it's I'm telling you it's coming, and as a

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Speaker 4: result of it, we'll look back on very similar to

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Speaker 4: how we do marijuana suspensions and say, wasn't it silly

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Speaker 4: when we got mad at players.

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Speaker 5: From anymore in the NBA? Which is ironic about all of.

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Speaker 1: It not worth it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that day's ever coming for the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think they benefit from that.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think there's far more because it's gonna plant the

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Speaker 3: seed for a guy to say, hey, I can make

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Speaker 3: some money betting on my team, but what could I

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Speaker 3: make if I bet it against my day?

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Speaker 1: It's just not worth it.

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Speaker 6: It's an interesting Pandora's box and it's a really good conversation,

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Speaker 6: but I think it's something that the NFL can't really

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Speaker 6: take seriously.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it, can't throw it.

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Speaker 3: Like Mike Singletary one say, okay, rapid fire twenty four

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Speaker 3: second shot clock for each of us.

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Speaker 1: What do you have this weekend? Betting wise, Jared.

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Speaker 5: I like Vegas tonight to beat Florida.

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Speaker 6: I think the line's telling me that the Golden Knights

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Speaker 6: are the right side Tonight I think they win tonight.

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Speaker 6: I think they win the series next week here in Vegas.

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Speaker 6: And I got some nerfies for you, White Sox Marlins

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Speaker 6: Nerfy and then Astros Guardians Nurfy.

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Speaker 5: So that's no run, no run, first ning first games

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Speaker 5: or today.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, I'll give you a baseball one. Padre

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Speaker 4: is gonna reset against the Colorado Rockies after a big

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Speaker 4: win yesterday nine to six over the Rockies. The Padres

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Speaker 4: over the past eleven games have followed nearly every big

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Speaker 4: run performance with a one run game.

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Speaker 2: So I'm taking the under on the twelve and a

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Speaker 2: half total runs.

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Speaker 3: Sunday Love Jokicic's rebounding prop take the over. It got

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Speaker 3: in fouled trouble last night ended on twelve. I'm telling

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Speaker 3: you it's cashing. Love that thirteen rebounds, run to the

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Speaker 3: betting window and cash in