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Speaker 1: Hey, we're back, and so is Aaron Gleeman. What's Old

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Speaker 1: is New again? So Aaron covers the Twins. As you

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Speaker 1: all know, he's been on with us quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: Covers the Twins for The Athletic, also Gleaman and The

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Speaker 1: Geek the Great podcast covering the Minnesota Twins. He's already

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Speaker 1: done plenty on this topic, but now it is time.

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Speaker 1: It is a World Series off day. Aaron, good to

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Speaker 1: see you, and let's get your initial thoughts on Derek

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Speaker 1: Shelton returning to the team after previously being on the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff with Roco Baldelli and being the next manager

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's sort of predictable. I

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Speaker 2: think this is sort of the moment they fired Balaldelli,

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Speaker 2: which I think was kind of a long time coming.

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Speaker 2: By the time they did it, they weren't going to

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Speaker 2: be able to I think they were. They were limited

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Speaker 2: by two things. One, they're not going to be able

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Speaker 2: coming in demand manager is going to want to come to,

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Speaker 2: Like if there was any other team interested in someone.

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Speaker 2: They have an edge over the Twins from a monetary standpoint.

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Speaker 2: From a competitiveness standpoint, but then also it's not clear

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Speaker 2: to me that they're planning to be competitive in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. Like we you know, we asked Derek Folvey

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Speaker 2: at the end of the season about payroll or about

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Speaker 2: the plan for next season, and he kind of tap

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Speaker 2: danced around it and said he has to talk to

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Speaker 2: of it is. And so that's going to limit you

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Speaker 2: in terms of who you can bring in.

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Speaker 3: As a manager.

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Speaker 2: So you add all that up, and you know, the familiarity,

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Speaker 2: like you said, not only was Shelton on Baldelli's staff

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Speaker 2: as the bench coach in twenty nineteen, which is one

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Speaker 2: of the most successful seasons the Twins have had, he

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Speaker 2: was actually the year before that on Maletor's staff before

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Speaker 2: they fired Paul Malodor and placed him with bal Delli,

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Speaker 2: and he finished running if not runner up. He was

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Speaker 2: one of the finalists in twenty nineteen when the job

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Speaker 2: went to bald Delli. So the level of familiarity that

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Speaker 2: they have with Shelton, and he's just he's a very

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Speaker 2: well liked guy across baseball as far as I've been told,

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Speaker 2: and I think within the Twins too, They're just very comfortable. Now.

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Speaker 2: My question would be, why are you kind of leaning

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Speaker 2: in familiarity and the status quo at a time when

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Speaker 2: the organization as a whole is trending very quickly in

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Speaker 4: Aaron, I mean this sounds like Baldelli Part two. I

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Speaker 4: love Rocko and I love Derek Sheldon. I know Derek

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Speaker 4: Sheldon for a long long time, and I think he's

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Speaker 4: a great guy. But he just got fired by the Pirates. Okay, no,

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Speaker 4: not a knock on him, but he got fired by

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Speaker 4: the Pirates not that long ago because he wasn't doing

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Speaker 4: the right thing to help them develop to the next level.

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Speaker 4: The Twins are a younger gonna be a younger ish

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Speaker 4: team more than likely because they're gonna slash payroll. It's

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Speaker 4: what the pole ads do, right, So why would they

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Speaker 4: not go for a younger, more energetic Not that Shelton

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Speaker 4: isn't you know, doesn't have energy and all that. Why

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Speaker 4: would they not go I mean, you know, for a

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm thinking the name like a Kai

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Speaker 4: but they're a little bit younger and they've never been

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Speaker 4: a manager. Right, this just seems like they're just retreading

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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: very tough argument to make against that, like the familiarity.

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Speaker 2: He's literally one of Baldelli's friends. He was his right

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Speaker 2: hand man, and you know that the thing you said

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Speaker 2: that I'm willing to kind of say, like, Okay, he

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Speaker 2: had a terrible record with the Pirates. Who hasn't had

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Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, they're cutting payroll even further.

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Speaker 2: they're able to say, hey, we made a change, But

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Speaker 2: this is about as close to no change as you

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Speaker 2: say he said success Elsewhere I would have certainly leaned

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Speaker 2: gets that stink on them right away. Whereas you know,

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Speaker 2: this is gonna sound mean, but Derek Shelton is used

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Speaker 2: to losing, and he is not a guy who's gonna,

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Speaker 2: you know, cause big problems. He's gonna deal well, with

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Speaker 2: not only ownership but the front office and the players.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna, you know, cause big issues that way.

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Speaker 2: And if if they view him as just sort of

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Speaker 2: see their thinking on that, but it's definitely underwhelming.

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Speaker 5: How do they sell this to the fans.

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Speaker 6: You're already talking about a fan base who lost I

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Speaker 6: think you'll tell me if I'm wrong, nine guys at

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Speaker 6: the trade deadline, and you already talked about the other

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Speaker 6: do they sell this to the fans? Because all the

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Speaker 6: things that you said are probably correct, but you can't

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Speaker 5: Hey, welcome to Minnesota. We have our new manager, Derek

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Speaker 5: Shelton hasn't really won much. He's probably getting paid way

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Speaker 5: less than everybody else. That's a manager that's getting new

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Speaker 5: marriagerial jobs and we're just gonna try to tread water.

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Speaker 5: But how does the team sell it to the fans,

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Speaker 5: because this is a time to invigorate the fans.

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Speaker 2: There's there's no way to sell this to the fans.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're so far past that point. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, for sure, but I mean the

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Speaker 2: I joked when we did our kind of Emergency podcast

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Speaker 2: That'd be more exciting to the fan base than Derek

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Speaker 2: Shelton in that weird, crazy scenario. But it's not like

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fan morale has gotten so low and

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Speaker 2: they have such little faith in every level of this organization.

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Speaker 2: I mean ownership obviously, we talk about that every time

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Speaker 2: you're saying is this is underwhelming within that context. But

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Speaker 2: I wonder from their standpoint if they were like, there

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Speaker 2: isn't a move we could make, There is no living

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Speaker 2: if it's already rock bottom, why not just bring in

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Speaker 2: he I'm this is not intended to take anything away

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Speaker 2: from Derek Shelton. My interactions with Shelton have always been good.

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Speaker 2: Everyone I've talked to about him over the years speaks

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Speaker 2: as a you know, someone who's smart and hard working,

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Speaker 2: attention to detail, all the things you would look for

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Speaker 1: So many good answers here you Aaron like when you

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like the hire. I like it for what the

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Speaker 1: a respectable guy. He has manager experience, and he's going

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Speaker 1: to go to Minnesota and be like, this is a

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Speaker 1: massive upgrade. There is a lot more talent in terms

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Speaker 1: of the way that the team is run. I'm sorry, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'll lay it out here, Derek Fallavian company, right, the

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Speaker 1: group that he leads, they've done a really good job

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Speaker 1: with limited resources, and you can't fire the owner. So

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Speaker 1: Roco gets booted because the team is crumbling because the

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Speaker 1: owner wanted to sell and he's kind of tanking the place.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry, Minnesota. Retraction is not going to happen. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: this will get better. It's just going to take more time.

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Speaker 1: But he got fired by the Pirates and he is

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Speaker 1: a hard worker. He is probably the most motivated person

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Speaker 1: on the planet to get an opportunity like this and

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Speaker 1: take a team that's probably going to be peg to

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Speaker 1: win what seventy games next year and get them to

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Speaker 1: eighty and be like, oh wow, this team is like nothing.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do anything the offseason. They kind of tanked it,

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Speaker 1: just like they did the trade deadline and.

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Speaker 5: Kind of did a good job.

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Speaker 1: I could see a scenario like that where he's on

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Speaker 1: a personal mission to be like, no, no, it wasn't me.

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Speaker 1: The Pirates are the number one joke in the league.

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Speaker 1: So now I'm going to a team that's more like

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Speaker 1: in the five to seven range.

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Speaker 2: And to your point, I'm sure he's not enthused or

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Speaker 4: This just show that guys just want to be managers?

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Speaker 6: And I gotta do this.

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Speaker 2: wants to show that he can do it. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: Bingo, and that's what I want to get to next.

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Speaker 1: So two fan questions here, one I think is a

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Speaker 2: So my understanding is that he never formally interviewed. He

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Speaker 1: And then last one, which is a lengthier question armand

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Speaker 2: And then, like you said, I wrote a couple of

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Speaker 2: But let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how are those needs?

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Speaker 4: I'll play tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Could you do eighteen innings in a World Series game

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, Bro, come on bro next next morning? Might be

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Speaker 4: That's clown, that's clown question.

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Speaker 5: Because the Pollouds I.

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Speaker 2: the poll ds, I just truly believe that nothing will change,

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Speaker 2: and they've just done nothing to make anyone think otherwise,

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Speaker 2: and so it's frustrating. The only bit of optimism I

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Speaker 2: can point to, and this is just me speculating, is

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Speaker 2: maybe they pulled it off the market because they couldn't

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Speaker 2: get the premium price that they were asking for, and

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Speaker 2: they're viewing the next CBA as a lifeline there in

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Speaker 2: terms of if there's more revenue sharing, or if there's

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Speaker 2: a salary cap or anything that really causes a mid

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Speaker 2: to low tier payroll team or revenue team like the

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Speaker 2: Twins to be in a better situation than they are

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Speaker 2: now in terms of competitiveness and revenues, then maybe they

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Speaker 2: can revisit the sale. Well, you know, two years from now,

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Speaker 2: let's say, and there'll be buyers more willing to give

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Speaker 2: them the price that they need. But short of that,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to say this because you know,

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Speaker 2: my livelihood revolves around Twins fans being interested in coverage

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Speaker 2: of the team. But I just have gotten to the

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Speaker 2: point now where I think, as long as the pole

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Speaker 2: heads are running things, it's going to be business as

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Speaker 2: usual that we've seen from them for the most part

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Speaker 2: for decades and decades, And I think the reason it's

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Speaker 2: trending in the wrong direction is that they're no longer

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Speaker 2: even comfortable being kind of an average spending team. Now

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Speaker 2: they want to be in the bottom third because that's

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Speaker 2: in their mind, that's a lot easier to not lose

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Speaker 2: money by cutting costs versus not lose money by actually

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Speaker 2: putting a good product on the field.

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Speaker 1: And what you said, it's exactly what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: They want to sell the team. They probably were told

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Speaker 1: by advisors you might make two hundred million bucks more

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Speaker 1: the price that they initially wanted. That's where they were off.

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Speaker 1: If they wait until after the CBA, even if it's

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Speaker 1: not a cap, they're waiting, they're going to get something

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Speaker 1: from their group, right like you mentioned revenue share. So

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Twins fans, hang in there. Aaron is

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Speaker 1: there for you on the Athletic on his pod. You're

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Speaker 1: the best.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Aaron anytime, guys.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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