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If 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: you could see Trevor nichols face right now, you would 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: see what I see is a beautiful smile, these big 10 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: hazel eyes looking at you. Just it's just kind of 11 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: one of those charismatic personalities. Have you ever known somebody 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: that everybody just wants to be with, everybody wants to 13 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: hang out with. That's the way Trevor Nichols strikes me. 14 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: But Trevor is missing. He had spoken with his mom 15 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: just before he goes missing. He was packing an apartment 16 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: to move from Fort Drum, New York to Fort Riley, Kansas. 17 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: What happened? His mom in a no man's land, like 18 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: in a bad dream, still trying to find her son. 19 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories thank you for 20 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: being with us, with me right now. Trevor's mother, Aaron Nichols, 21 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum, 22 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and host of Investigation Discoveries, 23 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Fatal Vowel series and Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter 24 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: Lee Egan straight out to Aaron Nichols, Ms. Nichols, thank 25 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want to go straight 26 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: into the disappearance of your awesome son. Trevor. Tell me 27 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: what he was talking about the last time you two 28 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: spoke on the phone. He was really frustrated. He was 29 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: packing up all his things from the apartment and everything 30 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: that was left in the apartment was from his estranged 31 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: wife and his infant son, Lucas was just a little 32 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: over a year old, um, and he was telling me 33 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: he was just having trouble getting everything put into storage 34 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: before he could go on leave. He had like a 35 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: two week leave before he was due to report into 36 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: fort Riley, and he said, Mom, I just don't know 37 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: if I'm going to be able to get this done 38 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: and get home to see you guys before I go 39 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: to fort Riley. And I told him, I said, I understand, 40 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was a little disappointed, but you know, 41 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: hopefully you'd be able to make a quick quick stop 42 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: on your way through to the other side of the country. 43 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: And that was the last we talked to him. Trevor Nichols, 44 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: brown hair, hazel eyes, a very small scar on his 45 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: left arm is about six too close to two hundred pounds. 46 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Where is Trevor? His mom still looking for him? Twenty 47 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: four years old as of the date he goes missing. 48 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: We are joining the search for this awesome veteran. He 49 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: had been deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, never complaining. With 50 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: a stranged wife and a beautiful little child. What can 51 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: you tell me about their location? The estranged wife at 52 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: the time Trevor goes missing, Aaron, Trevor had come home 53 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: in late August early September to bring them back home 54 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: here with her parents in Springfield, Ohio while he was 55 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: at a three month assignment at West Point and Um. 56 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: He returned home in late September, sorry late August, early 57 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: September to take them back home, and at that time, 58 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Carla had said that she wanted a divorce, so Carla 59 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: remained here in Springfield, Ohio with her parents. So at 60 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the date that he went missing, she and my grandson 61 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Lucas we're here in Springfield, Ohio with her parents. Aaron. 62 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Was a divorce, Was it going to be amicable or 63 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: was the or acrimony? Was there another person? Was there 64 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: a love triangle? What do we know? Don't know. They 65 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: never ended up filing for divorce before Trevor disappeared, and 66 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Carlo would always tell me there's reasons we're not together, 67 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: but she would never really tell me what was happening. Um, well, 68 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: did he No, he never really did he. It was 69 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: just it was very frustrating on my end because I 70 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: just never really got answers from them. Well, to Cheryl McCollum, 71 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, that's the first 72 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: place you look, and nobody is a target, nobody is 73 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: a person of interest, nobody's a suspect right now. But 74 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: what I find very unusual is that Trevor leaves behind 75 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: his driver's license, his U S, Military I D card, 76 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: and his cell phone. Okay, that's not right, Cheryl. Probably 77 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: the most alarming thing for me because somebody twenty four 78 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: years old, their whole world is in that cell phone. 79 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: Even if they were to have left that at home, 80 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: they would have turned around and gone and got that. Um. So, 81 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: if you know he was traveling somehow, whether it is 82 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: an airplane or a train or a bus, you have 83 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: to have some form of ideas, so that only kind 84 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: of leaves the passport if he has one, well, that 85 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: that tells me that he never He didn't never make 86 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: it as far as that apartment, I would agree with you, 87 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: no question about it. I mean, passport, smashport. This guy 88 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: didn't leave the country. This guy is not built that way. 89 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: He was assigned to the tenth Mountain Division, first Brigrade 90 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Combat Team as of that November. This guy is not 91 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: leaving the country and leave behind a baby boy and 92 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: and unresolved relationship. His plans were definite. Aaron, did you 93 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: notice any issue with him moving when you spoke on 94 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: the phone just before he disappeared, other than the fact 95 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: that he was upset that he was being transferred to Riley, 96 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: which it was further the opposite direction of Carla and 97 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: the baby. He said, now I'm going to be even 98 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: further away from my son. So you know, he was 99 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: frustrated with the transfer. But uh yeah, but what that 100 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: says to me to Dr Brian Russell joining me, lawyer 101 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: and psychologist host of the wildly popular investigation discovery Fatal 102 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: Vows series. Dr Brian, if he was upset that he 103 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: was going to be even further away from lucas his 104 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: baby boy, there's no way he'd leave the country, for 105 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Pete's sake, be even further away from the little boy. Touch. 106 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: This was not gonna happen. So that is not the answer, 107 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Dr Brian. I agree, And had he left the country, 108 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: there would likely be a record of that exit, and 109 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: so if that's not available, then it seems to me 110 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: that that's very unlikely. The explanation Trevor Nichols disappears he 111 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: was taking we believe, an Amtrak train from Fort Drum, 112 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: New York, for a few weeks before reporting to Fort Riley, Kansas. 113 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Now we are learning this from acquaintances. Friends say they 114 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: told police they saw him get on the am track, 115 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: but they won't say whether they drove him to the station. Now, 116 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: this is what I'm learning that there seemed to be 117 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: no records or tickets showing he ever got on that train. 118 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: So that makes mices pisitions turned towards the story. Cheryl McCullum. 119 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: If they did not take him to the AM track, 120 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: then how do they see him get on the train. 121 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: And also, why would you get on the train on 122 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: an AM track which I've been on many many times. Um, 123 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: If you don't take your driver's license, your military I 124 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: D or your cell phone, why in the world would 125 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: you do that? That doesn't seem true to me, Cheryl, 126 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: That's what I was saying about the train. The only 127 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: possible form of IDA he could have had to prove 128 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: it was him to get the ticket to get on 129 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: the train would be the passport. They have no record 130 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: of that man getting on the train. These three friends. 131 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: That's where I would start. If you saw that man 132 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: get on a train, show me where you were standing. 133 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: Let's pull up the video improve you got into side 134 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: of AM track. I don't believe it for one minute, Nancy. 135 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: Is any of his luggage missing from the apartment? I 136 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: have these three friends. Why did they take you? Why 137 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: did he pick them? Were they friends or acquaintances? This 138 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: you know? Did he normally take a train? Is there 139 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: any record of him ever taking a train? There's something very, 140 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: very wrong with this story. Let's go to the source. 141 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Nichols. This is Trevor's mom. We are on the 142 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: search for a young man who goes missing, leaving behind 143 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: a wife, a little baby he adores, and a veteran, 144 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: a veteran still in the military, heading to his next gig. 145 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Nichols, why can you tell me? Did you think 146 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: he was traveling by amtrak? I thought maybe he was 147 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: headed home. Trevor has traveled by train before. Um, he 148 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: would go down to Syracuse and catch the train and 149 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: come home. He would come home via not Sandusky, Cleveland. 150 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: We've gone up to Cleveland to pick him up several times. 151 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: The am truck stops there. Um, So I thought maybe 152 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: when Gauge, the one friend that said that that's what 153 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: he did. When he called me and said that Trevor 154 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: got on the train, I thought, okay, fine, I'm going 155 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: to beginning. That was Friday night, November. I thought I 156 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: was up all night that night thinking, Okay, Trevor is 157 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: going to get into the train station at four o'clock 158 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: in the morning, and he's going to be calling me 159 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: to come get him in Cleveland. Never happened till let 160 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: me understand. Let me understand something. You mean that day 161 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: you were told before he was ever reported missing that 162 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: he was on a train. Gauge called and told you that. 163 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: Gauge told me on the Wednesday morning, November. Gauge is 164 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: the one that contacted me and said, have you talked 165 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: to Trevor today? And I said no, I just talked 166 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: to him yesterday and he was telling me he was 167 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: packing the apartment, and Gauge said, yes, I was the 168 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: one helping. Um. I went back this morning to help 169 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: him clean up before inspection and he was gone. That 170 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: was November fift Well, if he was gone, then how 171 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: is that consistent with Gauge telling and he put him 172 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: on the train because two days later, Carla, the wife, 173 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: let me know that they had had activity on Trevor's 174 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: debit card. So at that point I was still talking 175 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: with Gauge like every couple hours, and Gage said, well, 176 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: where was his card used? And he and a couple 177 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: of the buddies from base went to go find Trevor. 178 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: That's when he called me and said that he had 179 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: gotten on the train. That was Friday night, November. Let's 180 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: go back through the timeline. Trevor is getting transferred with 181 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: the military. He doesn't want to go because it takes 182 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: him too far away from his son Lucas he's getting 183 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: ready to go anyway. He's never been a wall ever. 184 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: He's done tours in Afghanistan any rock. He is talking 185 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: to you on the phone on what day is the 186 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: last day you spoke to him? November? What he speaks 187 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: to you? What morning? Noon, and night? It was in 188 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: the evening, it was in the late afternoon, okay, afternoon. 189 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: What's the next thing that happened after November fourteen conversation 190 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: with Trevor In the afternoon. It was early November Wednesday morning, 191 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: I got a Facebook messenger message from gauge Gage Gonzales 192 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: and he said, I'm one of Trevor's army buddies. Have 193 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: you talked to him today? And that's when he told 194 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: me that they went back to the apartment to help 195 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: him clean and Trevor was not There was this over 196 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Facebook or over the phone messenger at that point, So 197 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: that does not make sense to me. That first he says, 198 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: have you talked to Trevor? Why would he be contacting 199 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: the mother? Okay? Then he says, I don't know what 200 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: day yet we went back and he's gone. Is that 201 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: that was? That was still the Wednesday morning with he 202 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: told me they went back to the apartment to help 203 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: Trevor clean and he was not there. So when he's 204 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: first contacting you about where is Trevor is because they've 205 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: been to the apartment he's not there. Oh Okay, that 206 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: makes sense because the way I was hearing it, they 207 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: called you and said where is Trevor? Have you talked 208 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: to him? Then they went back to the apartment. That's 209 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: the first story I'm getting. So let me be clear. 210 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: They contact you when they go to the apart and 211 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: they don't see him, Is that correct? Okay, that's November. 212 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: What time of the day early morning? Early morning, early morning, 213 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: a m. They can't find Trevor. Had you ever spoken 214 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: to Gauge Gonzalez before? How did he notified you? Probably 215 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Trevor's Facebook page had been listed as his mom. He 216 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: is friends with Trevor on Facebook. Okay, so that's how 217 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: he reached you on Facebook. What's the next thing that happened, Aaron? 218 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: When does Gauge then tell you he put him on 219 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: the train Friday night November? Okay? So between November and 220 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: November seventeen, did you hear from Gates saying, oh, I 221 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: found him. No, Gauge did not find him until Trevor's wife, 222 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Carla let me know that there was activity on his 223 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: debit card. Told me where that was? I told Gauge. 224 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: Then Engage went to go look for Trevor. Where was 225 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: the debit card activity? Pulaski, New York? Where is that 226 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: in relation to his home? I'm not sure how many miles, 227 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: but it's not too far from base. And where was it? 228 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: A restaurant, a bar, a gas station? Where was it? 229 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. Nobody ever told me where it 230 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: was actually used. Have you talked to cops? The military 231 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: police won't tell me anything. I haven't asked them many times. 232 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: Did you pull a t M footage? Where was the 233 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: card used? Have you checked it again? Have you pulled 234 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: it a minute? Want to show up where it was used? 235 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: A t M card used? Where it should say on 236 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: his statement? But I don't have I don't have access 237 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: to his record, does his wife? I don't know. That 238 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: would be a good thing to find out. Would you 239 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: agree with that? Sheryl McCollum, Absolutely, Nancy, And the wife 240 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: is the one that told everybody the debit card was used, 241 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: so if she knew there was activity, and she knew 242 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: where it was used. She had that information. Did you 243 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: ever ask the wife Aaron? Carla won't hardly talk to me. 244 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: In fact, right now she she and I are a 245 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: very source fife bad Blood. Dr Brian Russell, a lawyer 246 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: psychologist hosts of I D S Fatal, vows there's a 247 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: problem right there. Everybody's got to pull together to try 248 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: to find Trevor instead of the bad blood. I mean 249 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: at a time like this, this is the time for 250 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: unreturned phone calls and nasty text Uh. Yeah, that's right. 251 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: It's always interesting to me, uh, you know, in a 252 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: in a suspiciously curious way, when everybody who is even 253 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: if there's bad uh, even if there's a bad spot 254 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: in a marriage, everybody who is close to somebody such 255 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: that you would believe that they would have the person's 256 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: best interests at heart if the person goes missing, Um, 257 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: even if for no other reason than you know, this 258 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: is the co parent of your child, You would think 259 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: that everybody would sort of be coming together throwing any 260 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: information that they had into the mix. And when somebody 261 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: is not appearing to do that, it just makes me 262 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: wonder why not I'm wondering the same thing, Aaron Nichols. 263 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I know you may not get along with 264 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: the daughter in law for a lot of reasons. I mean, 265 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: they're on the brink of divorce, the grandchild is in 266 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: the mix, there's a lot of emotions. But it would 267 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: seem that everybody could get on one page to try 268 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: to find Trevor. What is the daughter in law saying 269 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: at all about this? She won't even talk to me 270 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: at this point. I did get a message from her 271 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: mother the other day that I'm no longer welcome over 272 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: at their home to see the grand baby because I'm 273 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: the liar. She said that I interfered with Carla planning 274 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: the missing person work because he filed it at a 275 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: different police station. Y'all need to get past that. If 276 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: she's listening right, you never filed it. She never filed it. Well, 277 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: you may have had the wrong jurisdiction, and I'm not 278 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: even saying you did, but at least you filed a 279 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: police report. So some something's not sitting right with me. 280 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now. Let me get 281 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: back to the timeline. So November fifteen, you speak to 282 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: the friend Gauge Gonzales, he can't find your son to 283 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: help him pack. Interesting to me that you guys don't 284 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: speak again ntil November seventeen. No, we we did speak. 285 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: So we we spoke to each other every couple of 286 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: hours over the next two days. Okay, that's when I've 287 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: written down something completely different. So November fifteen, in November seventeen. 288 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: After November fifteen, when he tells you, ask you where 289 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: is Trevor? When is the next time you hear from him? 290 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: Like I just said, we spoke every couple hours, you know, 291 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: like every probably six hours at least. We'd go by 292 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: and he'd say any updates, and we'd be back and forth. 293 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: Any updates? Have you heard anything? Have you heard from him? 294 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: You know, so both of us were back and forth 295 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: seeing if there was any news. When did he tell you, Oh, 296 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: I found Trevor after Carla let me know there was 297 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: activity on the debit cards. I had contacted him to 298 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: let him know where He said, Okay, I'm getting with 299 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: a couple of the guys from base. We're going to 300 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: go look for him. Then he called me just like 301 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: two hours later and said that they found Trevor, but 302 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: he didn't want to go back to base. He didn't 303 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't even get on the phone to talk to me, 304 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: and that he got on the train to leave New York. Okay, 305 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: right there, that that's the problem. What day is this 306 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: November November seventeen, about ten o'clock at night? That that's 307 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound true to me. Dr Brian Russell. I mean, 308 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the lawyer and a 309 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: psychologist and host of I D S. Fatal vows something 310 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: something's wrong right there to say he doesn't want to 311 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: go back, he wants to leave his driver's license in 312 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: his iPhone at his apartment, and he puts him on 313 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: a plane, I'm on a train and he won't speak 314 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: to his mother. That that's not right right there. Yeah, 315 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: these guys have got to be interviewed. It does sound 316 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: to me like perhaps they I'm you know, looking at this, 317 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: uh in the light most favorable to these these three 318 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: fellow soldiers. It sounds like perhaps they did believe that 319 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: he was going a wall and they don't want to 320 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: be accused of having aided in a bet at bet 321 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: so when asked, uh, do you know what happened to him? 322 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: They yes, he got on the train. Did you take 323 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: him there? They don't want to answer that question because 324 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: maybe they did take him there thinking they were doing 325 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: the right thing ultimately for his mental health and everything, 326 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: getting him on a train to go back to his 327 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: family if they felt he was in some kind of 328 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: fragile mental state. But then they don't want their superiors 329 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: coming down on him for then having aid and abetted 330 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: him going a wall, if in fact that's what they 331 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: believed he was doing. But they've got to be interviewed 332 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: to see, you know, what in the world did they 333 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: think he was getting on the train for and what 334 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: kind of mental state did he seem to be in, 335 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: because it's certainly, I agree, is very unusual that he 336 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: would have left those things behind, even if he was 337 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: distraught and kind of, you know, unwrattling mentally over what 338 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: all was happening with his marriage and moving across the 339 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: country with the redeployment and all that, Cheryl McCollum. I 340 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: hear Dr Brian Russell, and he just gave me what 341 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: I would if this was my case, this is what 342 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: I would do. Those three friends would be in three 343 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: separate patrol cars individually. They would drive Where did you 344 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: drop him? Off. Do they go to the same exact 345 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: location or not? Where were you standing when they got 346 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: him on the train? Everybody that can hear me right now, 347 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: y'all know gooden well, when men take somebody to a 348 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: train station or the airport or anywhere, they pull up 349 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: the curb, dropped their buddy off, dudes to see you 350 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: and they leave. They don't get out and walk up 351 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: to the plane platform and walk them get on the train. 352 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: That never happens, never, I agree. When guys drop off 353 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: our buddies at the airport or the train station, we 354 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: pull up out front, the buddy gets out, and that's 355 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: generally the end of it. So that's weird if they 356 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: say they waited there and actually watched him board the train. 357 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: If they did do that, it leads me to think 358 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: that that they thought he was in some kind of 359 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: fragile state of mind and that they were doing the 360 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: right thing putting him on a train to head home. Now, 361 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: they may be worried about looking like they aided and 362 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: abetted somebody going a wall, so they're being kg about 363 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: exactly what they did. It sounds to me like the 364 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: military as an organization believes that he did go a wall. 365 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's important to keep in mind that. 366 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: You know, let's say he did have some kind of 367 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: a middle breakdown and he decided that he was going 368 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: to go home to mom, and and the friends found 369 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: him in some kind of fragile state and thought that 370 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: they were doing the best thing for him, helping him 371 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: do that. Uh, it could have gone down that way, 372 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and then along the way he could have become the 373 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: victim of something completely unrelated. In other words, what I'm 374 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: saying is, there could have been technically a desertion under 375 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: some kind of very difficult mental circumstance that he was under, 376 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: followed by some completely unrelated crime of which he became 377 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: the victim, either before getting on the train or after. 378 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Here's the reality. You have to have an I D. 379 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: So either he did not board that train or he 380 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: did so with a fake ID. So they need to 381 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: go back to that manifest. Was it one of the 382 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: three names of one of the three people the dropped 383 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: him all? Was it another idea that he stold, you 384 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: have to have an ID to get on amtrack? Cheryl. 385 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: If you will recall when I tried cases, I wouldn't 386 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: speak to anybody, I wouldn't do anything during a trial 387 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: at all, because I did not want to be involved 388 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: in any other thought process beside trying the case. And 389 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: what I just did was project I projected what I 390 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: would do onto this scenario. That is an emotion that's 391 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: wrong when you're trying to figure something out. See, I 392 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, I'm upset, I'm gonna have to You think 393 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: I would be h e double l would freeze over 394 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: before I would leave the twins. Okay, not happening. So 395 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, if I was so upset about transferring 396 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: away from the twins, God help me, why would I 397 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: leave the twins and never see them again? So I 398 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: was thinking I was projecting my own feelings onto this 399 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum mistake number one, tactical error number one. But 400 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't seem right to me that he would go 401 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: a wall and leave behind his son. If he's so 402 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: upset he's got to move away from his son. Cheryl, 403 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. That's two steps 404 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: away from shanity. So here in my issues, where is 405 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: his cell phone? And who's gone through that phone? Because 406 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: the morning those gentlemen went back to the apartment is 407 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: supposedly help him and couldn't find him. They should have 408 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: started calling him, leaving messages for him long before they 409 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: contacted mama on Facebook messenger. Why would they contact mama 410 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: and not the wife. Why would they not go to 411 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: their commanding officer? Why would they not go to MP 412 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: It seems like they're contacting the wrong person. She's too 413 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 1: far away. And here's another reality. You got a child missing. 414 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: I don't care if the child has grown and in 415 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: the army, he's twenty four, He's still your child. I 416 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: don't care if the police departments are seven miles away 417 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: or not file a report everywhere you came to let 418 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: people know he's missing. The world should stop. So Tremont 419 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: and Springfield, Who gives the damn? Who filed the report? Where? 420 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: File one everywhere? Okay? That leads me to this. Aaron Nichols, 421 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: this is Trevor's mother. You didn't think it was weird 422 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: he wouldn't get on the phone with you? Yes? I did. Yes, 423 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: I thought that was very strange because Trevor and I 424 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: have always been oaths. And as soon as he went missing, 425 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: I was calling New York and tried to file a 426 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: missing person report and they told me it was a 427 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: military matter and wouldn't file it in New York. Okay, 428 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: See that's just wrong. That is just wrong right there. 429 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: So Aaron, let me understand this. The friends call you 430 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: November seven, they say November seventeen, they say they put 431 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: him on a train and trying to wear And that's 432 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: where the story gets confusing. To the story is already confusing, 433 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: but where do you think he was going? It gets 434 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: it gets very confusing after that, because his CEO called 435 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: me and said, well, apparently he got on a train 436 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: headed west. So that's when I thought he was headed 437 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: to Cleveland and I would be getting the call to 438 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: pick him up. When I talked to the detective and 439 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't think of what county. Watertown is 440 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: in Watertown, New York is right outside of the base. 441 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: That is the detective that I talked to. He told 442 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: me that the guys told him that Trevor got on 443 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: the train for New York City. You know, um, am 444 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: I wrong? Lee Egan with me, investigative reporter with Crime 445 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: online dot Com. But Amtrak, Greyhound, the airports, they're all 446 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: dripping with surveillance video. What do we know about surveillance 447 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: video of the am track? Lee well, at this time 448 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: nothing because the military police are not allowing anyone to 449 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: know anything. And Aaron got a private investigator to check 450 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: things out, and even she can't get into the surveillance 451 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: video because she would need to have permission from the 452 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: military police. But do we know if there is surveillance 453 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: video at the AM track? There is to be want 454 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: video at amtrack, but we do not know. We do 455 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: not have it for him, Darin, do you know if 456 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: they got the surveillance video? The MPs won't even talk 457 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: to me. They won't even talk to me. I've called them, 458 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, and I said, did 459 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: you pull the video? Did you? Did you have proof 460 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: that he got on that train alive? And we will 461 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: We can't tell you anything over the phone, I said, 462 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm in Ohio, this is my son. Would they tell 463 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: you in person? Well, surely they have military police every 464 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: But I don't have the money to go to New York. 465 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know, I don't understand. Have you 466 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: thought of driving or taking an amtrack to New York? 467 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I thought of it. That other than 468 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: talking to the military police in person, I wouldn't even 469 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: know where to start Okay, question to you, are they 470 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: saying they won't speak to you over the phone and 471 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: they would speak to you in person? Not clarified? Have 472 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: you asked them if they would speak to you in person? 473 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Because I'm hearing over and over they said they would 474 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: not speak to you over the phone. Did you ask 475 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: if they would speak to you in person? God, honest, 476 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I don't know. Let me think this through. 477 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: To Lea Egan, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what 478 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: more do we know? Like, so we know the t 479 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: I did? She was able to check the train tickets. 480 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: There's no record of him getting on the train at all. 481 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: Do you have to show ID to get a train ticket? 482 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: You do? You do? Now? So to get that ticket, 483 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: he would have had to show I D. Cheryl McCollum, 484 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute Director, If you have to show 485 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: I D, then the ticket is made out in your name? 486 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Is it not? Absolutely? And that's what I was saying earlier. 487 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: The only form of I D then he did not 488 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: leave behind would have been a passport, Nancy. He's now 489 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: listed as a deserter. Any time he would use that 490 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: idea for travel, it would be flagged and they would 491 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: know his whereabout. That hasn't happened. So what does this 492 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: mean to you, Cheryl? He didn't get on that train 493 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: and something between the evening of the fourteen in the 494 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: day of the fifteen. Because nobody has legitimately heard from 495 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: him since the fourteen his card was used, that doesn't 496 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: mean it's him. Somebody says we saw him and took 497 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: him to the train, that doesn't mean that happen. The 498 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: last time we know somebody that loved him and related 499 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: to him a spoke to him was on the fourteenth, 500 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: the evening of the fourteenth. We don't even know if 501 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: he's along. Do you believe Aaron Nichols there has been 502 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: any attempt on his part to see his son Lucas. 503 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: In fact, the her family thinks I'm hiding him. They 504 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: won't let me see the baby because they think that 505 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to take the baby to him. What I 506 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: find interesting is on that day, November fourteen, he was 507 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: trying to move his estranged wife's belongings to storage. He 508 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: leaves behind his iPhone, his driver's license, and his military 509 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: I D. I do not believe this man is a deserter. 510 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Wherein lies the truth? Where is Trevor Nichols. If you 511 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: have any information. If you have any information about this 512 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: missing member of the U. 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This long's 538 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: food getter ums your attention. Please, I can't help, but 539 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: notice you would have died for me. I'd like to 540 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: pay my respect, so I'm speaking not I know it 541 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: seems sometimes people will forget the fact we are forever 542 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: embraced in your death. But I'm here to tell you 543 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: that you're what this country. You are hearing Barry Michael 544 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: and he's singing, and he is singing Heroes and Angels 545 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: that he wrote for veterans. Joining me right now is 546 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: Barry Michael. Barry. It is so great to have you 547 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: in a moment. I'm gonna play your brand News single. 548 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: I stand with me. Ashley Wilcott who comes from a 549 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: military family, Vincent Hill who comes from a military family, 550 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: Alan Duke who comes from a military family. Jackie Howard 551 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: here in the studio that comes from a military family, 552 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: and of course myself. My dad, who was offered a 553 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: basketball scholarship dirt poor by the way full ride to college. 554 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: He turns it down, lies about his age to get 555 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: into the military, and is immediately shipped around the world, 556 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: away from everything he knows in little Oglethorpe, Georgia, to 557 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: the other side of the world to fight for his country. 558 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: My husband's dad, Chuck went also shipped around the world 559 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,959 Speaker 1: to fight for his country, and today we honor our 560 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: country and our military. Barry, tell me what led you 561 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: to perform to write I Stand Well. That song came 562 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: out of watching some NFL games and seeing people kneeling 563 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: for the national anthem and just wanting to wanting to 564 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: express what I stand for and why and I stand 565 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: for people. I don't really understand how, you know, you 566 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: could take the flag and and not be one as 567 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: a country and see that it represents our great free 568 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: country that's flawed just like every other country. But I 569 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: do believe that that's one thing that we could all 570 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: that we all should be able to agree on. I 571 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: agree with you, Barry Michael, and I can't wait to 572 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: play I stand for our listeners. It's incredible, you know, 573 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: to Ashley Willcott. You come from a military family, as 574 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: do Jackie, Alan and myself, Uh Ashley, as a female 575 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: practicing law, I can't tell you how much even to 576 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: this day, um, women put up with in the workplace, 577 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: the discrimination, the sex advances, and we're hearing more and 578 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: more about it every day. I'll tell you one thing, 579 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: right or wrong. I'm not going to take it out 580 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: in our country at all, absolutely, Nancy. And one of 581 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: the things I do with my three kids, all of 582 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: whom you know, is we think those who served in 583 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: the military for their service whenever we see them, whether 584 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: it's a veteran that might be on the side of 585 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: the road or whether it's somebody that's in uniform, and 586 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: we know they're currently serving. Because it's so important for 587 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: me to teach them listen, it is our country, stand 588 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: up for it and think those that serve and keep 589 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: our freedoms. Alan, you know, it was only recently that 590 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: I learned your that. Okay, you told me you jumped 591 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: out of a plane, and I made a joke like, 592 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: so what were you under what were you under the 593 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: influence of? And I found out tell us, well, I 594 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: was in the U. S. Army for several years. I 595 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: actually volunteered. The draft had just ended, I was getting 596 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: out of high school, UM and I joined and I 597 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Airborne school because of a song Barry. 598 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: You remember the song Barry Saddler Ballad of the Green Beret. 599 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: O my stores. I love that song. Listen when I 600 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: was probably that came out when I was probably eleven 601 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 1: years old. I liked that song so much put Silver 602 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: Wings on my son's chest that when I turned eighteen, 603 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: I had to join the military. And I eventually did 604 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: qualify and make my way to Fort Benning, Georgia to 605 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: jump school, and I now have my silver Wings. And 606 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: it was a song that inspired me. So these songs 607 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: are really important. I'm very impressed. I remember watching that 608 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: guy perform Green Beret on TV and everything just went 609 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: silent as he sang that. Also with me. Vincent Hill, 610 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: also from the military, tell us Vincent Nancy. I grew 611 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: up military. My dad did thirty years. I was born 612 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: in Germany. We moved every three years across this great country. 613 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: And what's great about it, I got to learn all 614 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: aspects of people, and it was only fitting that I 615 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: joined the military. I did eight years as a counterintel guy. 616 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, the only time I kneel 617 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: Nancy is when I'm praying to my Lord and Savior 618 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,320 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Other than that, I stand for this flag 619 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: and I stand for this country. You know, I really 620 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: think that so often we don't realize how blessed and 621 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: lucky we are to live in this country, and we 622 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: are standing on the backs of so many need people, 623 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: men and women that have given their all. You know, 624 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: the other night, Ashley, the children on summer break and 625 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: they're all up into watching TV and their iPads. Okay, 626 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: so I have to take their iPads away and hide them. 627 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: And anyway, I was trying to find a good thing 628 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: for them to watch on TV. And I started watching 629 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: Sons of Liberty and it actually got so violent that 630 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: I turned it off. I liked it, but I didn't 631 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: know if the children should see it. And I got 632 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: to thinking all the way back to when our country 633 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: was found. We we have been fighting, and it's been 634 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: violent and difficult, and people lost their lives to fight 635 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: for our country, to secure our country from the get go, 636 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: for the very beginning, and that goes on right now, Ashley. Absolutely, 637 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: and it's the only reason, and people, I think tend 638 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: to forget. It's the only reason that people can say 639 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: what they want to say, have freedom of speech, be 640 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: from search and seizure, all the constitutional protections, Those wars, 641 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: those battles, those violent, violent circumstances are the only reason 642 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: we have all those protections. Okay, Alan, you're creeping me 643 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: out a little bit, because Jackie here in the studio, 644 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: we're laughing our heads off. We're looking at pictures of you. 645 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: No ponytail, no mustache, You're looking at face totally clean cut. 646 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I thought I loved your 647 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: your ponytail, but not anymore, not after I see this. 648 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: I mean, wow. All right, So, Vincent, what Branch tell 649 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: me about your service? So, Nancy, I was in the 650 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: army and listened in. So I'm dating myself a little bit. 651 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: UH entered at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, where most people entered. 652 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: I went to counter intelligence school, and I went to 653 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: Fort Drum, New York, the Tenth Mountain Division, and did 654 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 1: a lot of deployments there. I went places people don't 655 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: even know exists. But that's part of the mission to 656 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: protect the freedoms of this country. But I love every 657 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: minute of it. And I'm so proud that my son 658 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: is asking me about going into the Air Force. I 659 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: couldn't be happier about that. Joining me right here is 660 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard in the studio waving her arms. Your dad 661 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: was in the Korean War. Well, you know what, um. 662 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: The photo I have out of my dad, which are 663 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: so many of them, one of is of him without 664 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: a shirt on, somewhere overseas with his fatigues on in 665 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: the military. He's standing under. Uh. You know it had 666 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: to be hot, like a tin roofed warehouse somewhere working away, 667 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I just think of that so often 668 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: every time I walked by it. Right now with me 669 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: special guest Barry Michael, who has just recorded an awesome 670 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: new song that really supports our military. And what better 671 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: day to hear it than July the four, Mary, It's 672 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: such a pleasure to have you on. Let's take a 673 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 1: listen to I stand. I stand for the wares can't 674 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: get on their feet. I stand for the homeless, the helpless, 675 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: am the week. I stand for your right to be 676 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: who you wanna be. That's why I stand. I stand 677 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: for right children, husbands and wife. I stand for policeman 678 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: first respond to saving lives. I stand for my dreamers, 679 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:58,800 Speaker 1: everyone who strives. That's why I stand. I get a 680 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: better more and with you freed upon my mind meeting 681 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: everyone and everything I love, me had not a break 682 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: to pay the cause for this blessed promise lame. That's 683 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: why I stay. I stand for your right to free 684 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: to disagree. I even stand for those used to stand 685 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: for me. I stand for the one who gave it 686 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:41,319 Speaker 1: all in Calgary. That's why I stand. I will lay 687 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: the line fighting for the quality. But when the stars 688 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: splay a little better plays, I'll never take a knee 689 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 1: because I respect the ones who sacrificed and talking to 690 00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: the head. That's why I stand. Say, can't see by 691 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: the dons early love, I get not been every morning 692 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: when your bread on love my fid believing everyone and 693 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: everything I loved not bring to pay the calls for 694 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: this blessing promise pay. That's why I were laid on 695 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: the loud, biting prey quality. When we starts playing the 696 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: batter plays, I'll never taken me because I respect the 697 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: ones who sacrifice and call to the ad. That's why 698 00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: I stays. That's why you can find all of Barry's 699 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: music at Barry michael music dot Com. His brand new 700 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: single I Stand You can listen to it all there. 701 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: What an awesome gift to the country on July the four. Barry, 702 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Oh, it's my pleasure. Nancy, 703 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Everybody listening now, 704 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: Happy July the fourth, and as we celebrate, let's remember 705 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 1: what so many people have given up for us in 706 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: our country, and right now we remember American hero Senior 707 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: Trooper Stephen Vincent serving the Louisiana Police thirteen years late, 708 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: Charles Police eleven years the U. S Army during Operation 709 00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Attended Iowa High School, l 710 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: s U Unice McNeese State University in the Louisiana State 711 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: Police Academy. Louisiana Police say there have been seven organ 712 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: transplant matches so far. Trooper Stephen Vincent leaves behind grieving 713 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: wife Catherine son Ethan, father James Howard, mother Mildred Marie, 714 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: two brothers, two sisters, fifteen nieces and eleven nephews. Senior 715 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: Trooper Stephen Vincent, American hero Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend. 716 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: Did you know a recent law can leave your personal 717 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,240 Speaker 1: data exposed online for anybody to find. If you've turned 718 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 1: all the news lately, you know the Internet has created 719 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: a dangerous new world. It's time you take back the 720 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: power by using a new website called truth Finder. 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