Speaker 1: Warning today's episode con taste spoilers for the first terrifying
Speaker 1: chapter of uzer Markie on Adult Swim.
Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Rosie.
Speaker 3: Knight and I am Joel and welcome back to a
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Speaker 2: Episode Look at you, guys, So Lucky, So Lucky.
Speaker 3: In today's delightful and terrifying episode, we are digging into
Speaker 3: the previously on where from his fur Cobble is having
Speaker 3: a terrible time with the Megalopolis box office and super
Speaker 3: producer Aaron tags in to walk us through all the
Speaker 3: magic the gathering scandal that broke this weekend.
Speaker 2: In the airlock, we will be Uzi.
Speaker 3: Mackieing it up as the long awaited five years in
Speaker 3: the making anime adaptation of Jungi Itto hits Adult Swim
Speaker 3: dub or sub what do you Like?
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it, but.
Speaker 3: First it's the previously on in the box office Francis
Speaker 3: for couple is one hundred and twenty million dollar investment
Speaker 3: in himself has crumbled four million this week.
Speaker 2: You can saw it coming? Who could ever have seen
Speaker 2: it coming?
Speaker 3: And The Wild Robot Lands at number one with thirty
Speaker 3: five million. That delightful book adapt that delightful film actually
Speaker 3: adapts a very very pot Pela Kids book series by
Speaker 3: Peter Brown.
Speaker 2: And I am seeing the reporting.
Speaker 3: Saying, oh, this is a surprise hit for dream Works.
Speaker 3: You know, people didn't know it was going to make
Speaker 3: this much money. I had a feeling it's like one
Speaker 3: hundred percent on Morong Tomorrow's the Books.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful animated film based off of a popular
Speaker 4: book series, and it appeals to children at all ages,
Speaker 4: which there's no competition really. Oh there's no big kids
Speaker 4: movie out right now. Those movies always at the very
Speaker 4: least make their box office back mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think my gut says this one could run
Speaker 3: till Christmas, so very interesting.
Speaker 4: That would be a very long run.
Speaker 2: I think it could do it.
Speaker 3: I think it's got the legs because it's a family
Speaker 3: based movie. It's about adoption, it's about found family, it's
Speaker 3: about AI. I think there's a lot there and it
Speaker 3: does look absolutely beautiful. I haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 3: I have read the books.
Speaker 4: Cion Skate continuing to struggle with megal. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: they got into fifteen hundred screens, I think, which is
Speaker 4: a lot, especially considering there's a whole part that requires
Speaker 4: a performer, although I think do they say they wound up?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: Out how the mind? I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 3: So this was one of the biggest conversations that we
Speaker 3: were all having in the lead up to this movie.
Speaker 3: When this movie debut at can it was revealed that
Speaker 3: there is a segment where Adam Driver talks to a
Speaker 3: member of the audience who gets up and asks him questions.
Speaker 3: I have heard very mixed reviews on it. Apparently there
Speaker 3: is a lot of lead in time, it can be
Speaker 3: quite awkward, and it's not clear whether the person is
Speaker 3: actually reading the lines or if it's pre recorded audio.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot.
Speaker 3: But I did find out that they are only doing
Speaker 3: that at certain screenings called ultimate editions, and it seems
Speaker 3: like they are at least hiring actors to go in
Speaker 3: and do those segments in the movie. Whereas my joke
Speaker 3: had been and it was very serious joke honestly that
Speaker 3: they will probably just pull up a kid from like
Speaker 3: a popcorn stand and make them do it, because I've
Speaker 3: worked in a cinema and they do make you do
Speaker 3: unnecessary stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know what, this is not worked out.
Speaker 3: The Ultimate Edition at the Imax has clearly not been
Speaker 3: drawing people in. I have seen many funny, hilarious tweets
Speaker 3: about it, though, which have been giving me life. Like
Speaker 3: I saw someone who said a perfect tonal amalgamation of
Speaker 3: my two favorite movies, Citizen Kane and Revenge of the Sith,
Speaker 3: and I just think any movie that can be described
Speaker 3: that way, I have to tell you I am gonna
Speaker 3: go and see it just because I love a disaster
Speaker 3: and this sounds like a disaster.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Usually on this podcast we always try and be positive,
Speaker 3: but the reporting that has come out about the way
Speaker 3: Francis for Coppola has treated extras on this set, I
Speaker 3: don't know that we necessarily have to keep our usually
Speaker 3: positive vibes. But some people I deeply respect have given
Speaker 3: it five stars on Letterboxed have felt like it's actually
Speaker 3: quite a great treatise on this kind of era we're in,
Speaker 3: of the creative versus the corporate but I will have
Speaker 3: to go and see it myself, and I'm sure we
Speaker 3: will report back to you. But yeah, not going well
Speaker 3: for old Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 2: In art going well right exactly.
Speaker 3: This is actually a huge win for the average man,
Speaker 3: the average man on the street, the average the average
Speaker 3: lady going about her business, the average They them attempting
Speaker 3: to just do a little shopping around, write a little comic.
Speaker 3: So Marvel and DC have long held a joint trademark
Speaker 3: for the word superhero. It's superhero has one word and
Speaker 3: superhero as two words. It's been very controversial for a
Speaker 3: very long time. My husband Nick, he loves to talk
Speaker 3: about it. You can go back for years on the internet,
Speaker 3: and he has been claiming that this is basically unprotectable
Speaker 3: because it is so generic at this point.
Speaker 2: And what happened, incredibly is that a man named s. J.
Speaker 3: Rich Hold, who owns a company called super Baby's Limited,
Speaker 3: which releases superhero baby comics. DC came after him and said, hey,
Speaker 3: you can't use super babies, which was a reach first
Speaker 3: of all, and they shouldn't have done it, but they did,
Speaker 3: and he tried to secure the super Baby's trademark in
Speaker 3: the US, DC was not having it, but Marvel and
Speaker 3: DC did not respond to the challenge by the deadline.
Speaker 3: Oh and so what happened is that the US Department
Speaker 3: of Trademark, like the US Office of Trademarks, they actually
Speaker 3: just released the trademark and we're like, fine, we're canceling
Speaker 3: the trademarks. So this is not like a Supreme Court
Speaker 3: like they can appeal it thing.
Speaker 2: It's been released. So this is a huge.
Speaker 3: Deal and it's gonna be very interesting to see what
Speaker 3: happens next because Marvel and DC like own it in
Speaker 3: capitals still and they also owned super Villain, which was
Speaker 3: a nineteen eighty five trademark as long as it has a.
Speaker 2: Dash in the middle. But this is huge. They have
Speaker 2: long been.
Speaker 3: Going after people who use the word superhero in titles.
Speaker 3: You can use it within a story, but you cannot
Speaker 3: like name your thing like Rosy and Joel's Superhero Adventure,
Speaker 3: Like they could come after us and say, just infringes
Speaker 3: on our trademark.
Speaker 4: Nobody thinks of superhero and there's exclusively like oh, that's
Speaker 4: Marvel or DC. And also, like I was seeing people
Speaker 4: were pulling up old comic book like newsletter spaces yep,
Speaker 4: and they were like, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Pre Superman exactly. Well, this is actually the most superhero
Speaker 2: So this is this.
Speaker 3: Is the most interesting thing is that the first place
Speaker 3: that they ever found superheroes was, as you said in
Speaker 3: the letters pages, I believe it was of of Science
Speaker 3: Fiction magazine. Nick is like desperate to get this issue
Speaker 3: where a guy basically wrote in and critically was like,
Speaker 3: you're not doing enough. Fancy, you're not doing enough, you know,
Speaker 3: genre stories. You're going into these kind of bobbleheaded, nonsense
Speaker 3: superhero stories. And that is like the first time it's
Speaker 3: in text. So it's not even something Marvel and DC
Speaker 3: came up with. It was something they trademarked after the fact,
Speaker 3: when fans had come up with this term like so
Speaker 3: much that Marvel and DC do the fans I've always
Speaker 3: been driving that conversation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this was really funny. I actually should have recorded.
Speaker 3: I was joking with my friend Mark, who sent this over,
Speaker 3: who's a brilliant cartoonist, Mark Martinez, and he sent it
Speaker 3: to me and I said, oh my god, I should
Speaker 3: film Nick when I tell him this, But I didn't
Speaker 3: do it, Like I was joking, but Nick's face was
Speaker 3: literally I should have filmed it. He was like so happy.
Speaker 3: This was the best news for him. It is great
Speaker 3: news for indie comics creators everywhere. And I'm very interested
Speaker 3: to see what happens next because we know that Marvel
Speaker 3: and DC are very litigious, so the fact they didn't
Speaker 3: chase this down and kind of respond to the challenge
Speaker 3: in time is very interesting to me. So I'm intrigued
Speaker 3: to see what happens next. And that wasn't the only
Speaker 3: controversy that was occurring this weekend in fandom spaces. So
Speaker 3: I'm going to tap in on Magic the Gathering correspondent
Speaker 3: and super producer Aaron wang Kaufman to tell us about
Speaker 3: the latest Magic the Gathering scandal.
Speaker 5: Hello, Rosie and Joel, And speaking of this is I
Speaker 5: prepped this transition, so it's a little dated now. But
Speaker 5: speaking of super babies, let's let's get into the drama
Speaker 5: around Magic the Gathering this past week and then escalating
Speaker 5: into this weekend and Monday, September thirtieth. So, Magic the
Speaker 5: Gathering is a collectible card game for those of you
Speaker 5: who don't know. When you build a deck of forty
Speaker 5: to sixty cards and you play against each other and
Speaker 5: you cast spells and create creatures and it's a lot
Speaker 5: of fun. It's something many of us played when we
Speaker 5: were kids. Maybe my video is not on, but I
Speaker 5: have my magic cards on the bookshelf behind me at
Speaker 5: all times as like part of my video background. And
Speaker 5: there's a newer format, not particularly new. It actually started
Speaker 5: long time ago, but it's grown in popularity called Commander
Speaker 5: and Commander has become the main way people playing magic,
Speaker 5: and like people start playing magic with Commander, they're introduced
Speaker 5: to it through that, and it's really become the most
Speaker 5: popular thing. And there is the founding member. Sheldon Menery
Speaker 5: is the founding founding member of the Commander rules Committee
Speaker 5: who passed away not too long ago, and he was
Speaker 5: like an iconic person within the Magic and Commander space. Well,
Speaker 5: last Monday, Wizards of the Coast, who publishes Magic and
Speaker 5: does Dodgers and Dragons as well, they banned four cards
Speaker 5: from Commander, Dockside Extortionists, Jeweled Lotus, Manicrypt, and Nado Winged
Speaker 5: Wisdom and so these cards were all very high level cards,
Speaker 5: high power. So the reason they're getting rid of them
Speaker 5: is like it creates a less fun play environment if
Speaker 5: I have one of these overpowered cards and you don't,
Speaker 5: and I get started really quickly, like the game could
Speaker 5: be over within a few turns. Interesting, and it caused
Speaker 5: a ton of pushback because magic is is a game,
Speaker 5: but it also has a collectible aspect to it. And
Speaker 5: so some of these cards, most notably you know, like
Speaker 5: Man Crypt, Jeweled Lotus, These are very expensive cards, and
Speaker 5: as soon as they got banned, the price plummeted, and
Speaker 5: so people were pissed because they're like, I have like
Speaker 5: spent all this money buying these cards because they're a
Speaker 5: quote unquote investment, and now Wizards of the Cost comes
Speaker 5: in and bans them, and I've lost all this money.
Speaker 5: Whether or not you should be using Magic the gathering
Speaker 5: as an investment is a discussion for something else entirely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we live.
Speaker 3: In a speculative space with both comics and magic, and
Speaker 3: everyone knows how I feel about speculation. Bad, Yeah, Karon, Like,
Speaker 3: what is what is your read on this? Like your
Speaker 3: subjective read if you don't mind giving it.
Speaker 5: Well, so the story isn't done, Rosie. So they they
Speaker 5: banned these cards, and then the Rules Committee, which is
Speaker 5: a group of volunteers who are very prominent in the
Speaker 5: magic space who advise Wizards of the Coast on things
Speaker 5: to do. They were consulted on this, and it seems
Speaker 5: like pretty much universally the Rules Committee was like, you
Speaker 5: shouldn't do these bands, and Wizards of the Coast still did.
Speaker 5: Then Josh lee Qui, who is one of the most
Speaker 5: popular Commander content creators. He works for the Command Zone,
Speaker 5: it's a YouTube channel, he resigned from the Rules Committee
Speaker 5: last week. Rules Committee members were getting death threats and
Speaker 5: like in particular the female members, you know, in particular,
Speaker 5: getting really horrible notes and things sent to them. And
Speaker 5: so today Monday, September thirtieth, Wizards of the Coast announced
Speaker 5: that the entire Rules Committee is resigning and Wizards of
Speaker 5: the Coast will take everything in house. This is kind
Speaker 5: of a worst case scenario, I think as a magic player,
Speaker 5: because you have the basically you've just given everything back
Speaker 5: to the corporation. I mean, the corporation clearly was in
Speaker 5: charge anyways, but we had some people who were dedicated
Speaker 5: to the playing part of it and the social aspect
Speaker 5: who are advising them, and now they're just gone. Because
Speaker 5: the fandom was so horrible and we're making death threats
Speaker 5: towards people who didn't who didn't want this to happen
Speaker 5: in a really embarrassing way for things to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds terrible. And also this is like this
Speaker 2: seems kind of on brand right now for Wizards of
Speaker 2: the Coast because they had a similar kind of issue
Speaker 2: earlier this year, right where it was like they were.
Speaker 3: Trying to ban home brews or something, or they were
Speaker 3: trying to, like with Dungeon and Drags, they were trying
Speaker 3: to take ip that people had created in homebrews and said,
Speaker 3: if you create this homebrew, we own it.
Speaker 2: If you create.
Speaker 3: Anything within these spaces, we own it. That was a
Speaker 3: huge backlash to that, and they ended up having to
Speaker 3: go back on it.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like that kind of.
Speaker 3: Corporate over meddling is becoming an issue for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's been a good and bad to it.
Speaker 5: So part of it is Wizards of the Coast was
Speaker 5: purchased by Hasbro and so like big shareholder pressure now.
Speaker 5: And I remember as a kid when I first played Magic,
Speaker 5: I think it was like two or three sets came
Speaker 5: out a year, and now it feels like there's a
Speaker 5: new set every month of cards, and part of that
Speaker 5: is they have a really profitable set called Universes Beyond,
Speaker 5: which is a crossover with other things. So, yes, they
Speaker 5: had this Lord of the Ring set that was incredible
Speaker 5: and brought in so many new players.
Speaker 2: They also had.
Speaker 5: Fallout, Wow, they had Doctor Who, Assassin's they have there,
Speaker 5: there's a Marvel one coming potentially next year if not,
Speaker 5: you know. So there's a lot of space for these,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of crossovers to new audiences and new
Speaker 5: players of the game and new collectors too. But a
Speaker 5: lot of people are really upset with how quickly they're
Speaker 5: churning out stuff that maybe isn't getting enough play testing
Speaker 5: and enough thought ahead of time to be like this
Speaker 5: card was always going to be too broken. Why would
Speaker 5: you publish this? Why? Why you know, couldn't you see
Speaker 5: that this would make things unfair? So it is it's
Speaker 5: like the curse of more. We're getting too many cards.
Speaker 5: And Commander is in some ways like the most casual
Speaker 5: format because it started off with like, here are these
Speaker 5: cards that I'm never going to put in a competitive deck.
Speaker 5: I'm going to do this silly thing, like my deck
Speaker 5: is all people wearing hats, or my deck is you know,
Speaker 5: everyone has to be looking to the right on the Yeah,
Speaker 5: but these cards that are getting banned are ones that
Speaker 5: are like incredibly competitive and mm hmmm. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 5: it's been hard to figure out where that balance of
Speaker 5: like silly fun stuff lies with like more competitive, cutthroat cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Especially I think if there is a correlation between how
Speaker 3: competitive the card is and how expensive it is, that
Speaker 3: also introduces like a strange, you know, class system within
Speaker 3: the players who can afford a collectible card. But Aaron,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for tapping in and bnr MTG expert.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to keep learning more about this because
Speaker 3: I'm guessing it doesn't sound like it's fully over.
Speaker 5: No, And and I can't wait to come on and
Speaker 5: talk about the Marvel set when that comes out. But
Speaker 5: until then, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: The Lord of the Ring set was really.
Speaker 5: Beautiful to see that, very very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I have some friends and that was their absolute favorite one,
Speaker 5: so love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Aaron, bye, and thanks.
Speaker 3: Coming up, me and Joel are stepping out of the
Speaker 3: airlock and talking Uza maki. But first, a message from
Speaker 3: our spirals, I mean sponsors.
Speaker 2: And we're back. And though you may be happy about that.
Speaker 3: You may regret that choice because we are going into
Speaker 3: the terrifying world of Junji Eto's Uza Maki. Joel had
Speaker 3: were you aware of uza Maki before you watched the
Speaker 3: adult Swim adaptation?
Speaker 4: Only in the way that I'm aware of that anime
Speaker 4: girl with the red eyes who has are like hands,
Speaker 4: hyderactis and kimono. In the other words, I've seen the
Speaker 4: images everywhere. I just do not know who that person
Speaker 4: is or this jokes they are involved with the Torley
Speaker 4: Eyes their beautiful art, so it's like a curtiory awareness.
Speaker 4: But when I heard this show was coming and I
Speaker 4: saw the fans getting excited, I said, now's my time
Speaker 4: to check in, and I'm really glad I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Uzamaki is probably junge Eto's like most well
Speaker 3: known work. Was originally published nineteen ninety eight to nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine serialized in what are very popular in Japan,
Speaker 3: which are like weekly comic book magazines. This was Shogar
Speaker 3: Kukuan's big comic Spirits, and it tells the story of
Speaker 3: a town that is under a spiral curse, where seeing
Speaker 3: spirals makes people go crazy, and it's a great example
Speaker 3: of what makes Gingi Eto so fantastic, which is this
Speaker 3: very striking, simplified line work with just the most absolutely
Speaker 3: nice Marrish concept that you would never have thought of.
Speaker 3: He's definitely one of the most original creators we have
Speaker 3: in comics, and the first episode of that adult Swim
Speaker 3: adaptation is absolutely fantastic. It is long awaited. This was
Speaker 3: announced in twenty nineteen and it has been a running
Speaker 3: conversation within anime and comic circles of like, will it
Speaker 3: ever come out? So the fact that it came out
Speaker 3: dropped on Saturday, the twenty eight of September, was just
Speaker 3: a huge deal. I think a lot of us didn't
Speaker 3: believe it was going to happen, and honestly, it is
Speaker 3: pretty stunning.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do a little speed.
Speaker 3: Recap and kind of react as we go. But just
Speaker 3: like the book, we begin in a fictional Japanese town
Speaker 3: called Kuruzuchu, where a woman named Kirie Gushima tells us
Speaker 3: that she is going to reveal all the strange things
Speaker 3: that happened in her town. Then we cut to these
Speaker 3: eerie ass credits to kind of hint at the spiral
Speaker 3: or curse to come. What was your feeling when you
Speaker 3: were watching the credits. It was definitely giving me the chills.
Speaker 3: I was immusst immediately.
Speaker 4: I love an animation that demands your attention, right and
Speaker 4: we sees the cross. There's so much good animation. The
Speaker 4: way this set up little spirals everywhere, then lures you
Speaker 4: in with like, first this cute little flower pet. You
Speaker 4: love a little flower curl. It's giving like children's drawing,
Speaker 4: so innocent and sweet. And then there's one and like
Speaker 4: that's just up in the upper right hand corner and
Speaker 4: you're like, well that's kind of queer. Oh that's doing there.
Speaker 4: And then there's another one to your left, and then
Speaker 4: there's a man screaming about spials and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm already one hundred percent sucked in. It feels like
Speaker 4: you're being spiraled in to the story because it's so
Speaker 4: subliminal and fun. I watched this three times, twice with
Speaker 4: the duve, once with the sub. I did like the
Speaker 4: sub a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I agree, but I did think
Speaker 3: the dub was actually really good.
Speaker 2: And I don't think you lose anything by watching the dub.
Speaker 3: It if you want to watch it and you don't
Speaker 3: have time to eat SubTime which always make the time,
Speaker 3: but if you feel like you it's easier for you
Speaker 3: to listen in English. The dub is really good, more
Speaker 3: than serviceable, and still keeps the creepy vibes. So another
Speaker 3: cool thing I think that will draw horror fans to this,
Speaker 3: even if you're not an animation fan. The composer is
Speaker 3: the Hereditary composer Colin Stepson, and he does such a
Speaker 3: good job here creating this really terrifying soundtrack. I watched
Speaker 3: this with Nick and Oliver, the artist from Monster and
Speaker 3: Summer Camp. We're in Ohio at the moment.
Speaker 2: Oliver has a.
Speaker 3: Really beautiful old house and we were watching it in
Speaker 3: the old house at like one am in the morning,
Speaker 3: all of us together, and it was so so scary,
Speaker 3: even just the soundtrack and the opening. It's, like you said,
Speaker 3: it sets you up to know that we're gonna see
Speaker 3: something that is unsettling and it's gonna haunt you. And
Speaker 3: one of my favorite things about this story is it
Speaker 3: worms its way into your head and you start thinking, well,
Speaker 3: what if I saw the spiral? You know, this is
Speaker 3: a tiny thing and you're watching the show, so is
Speaker 3: it a ring esque curse that you could take on.
Speaker 3: It really gets into your imagination that way. And the
Speaker 3: story begins properly when we meet Kiri again and her
Speaker 3: friend Shuichi, who has kind of been a little bit
Speaker 3: out of the circle recently, hasn't been around, and he
Speaker 3: tells Kiri it's because his father has become obsessed with spirals.
Speaker 2: He draws them.
Speaker 3: He creates them at every opportunity, whether in miso soup
Speaker 3: where he spins his spoon to create.
Speaker 2: Them, spiral.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is spiral cakes, damn it, which I understand.
Speaker 4: They're my favorite part of the ramen. Too little.
Speaker 3: He wants the naruto, but he's drawing them around the
Speaker 3: family home, and Kiri sort of laughs us off and says, well,
Speaker 3: your dad's like an eccentric sure, and they and they
Speaker 3: carry on walking, but Shuichi assures her this is no joke,
Speaker 3: and we will soon see that the spiral curse has
Speaker 3: truly taken his father over in a delightfully, delightfully nasty way.
Speaker 3: Kiri goes to visit Shuichi and deliver some delicious naruto
Speaker 3: and meets his father, who claims, well, I don't need
Speaker 3: this food. I don't need the items because I can
Speaker 3: manifest the spirals for myself.
Speaker 2: And this is when we.
Speaker 3: First get some really good gungy Eto grotesquerie, which is
Speaker 3: what he's known for. He sticks out his tongue and
Speaker 3: it extends into this long, slimy thing and wraps round
Speaker 3: itself into a spiral, and Kiri is just absolutely horrified
Speaker 3: runs off.
Speaker 2: It's so gross.
Speaker 3: And I love this because up until this moment, you're like, well,
Speaker 3: this is kind of BOOKI, but this is when you
Speaker 3: really get into what Gunji is known for, which is
Speaker 3: this shocking imagery and these terrifying nightmares that he puts
Speaker 3: into your head. We then meet Azumi, who is a
Speaker 3: young girl with a very she's given like a sharp bob.
Speaker 3: She is delivering the looks like it's looking great, but
Speaker 3: her bangs, her very crisp bangs hide a tiny crescent
Speaker 3: scar on her head, and while she claims this is just,
Speaker 3: you know, a lot scar that she has, Shuichi is
Speaker 3: sure it's gonna become a spiral.
Speaker 2: And when the wing wind blows her.
Speaker 3: Bangs out of the place, he has proven right, and
Speaker 3: he kind of says he You've got to get out
Speaker 3: of town.
Speaker 2: Don't do this.
Speaker 3: But you know, he can see that the spiral is
Speaker 3: gonna overtake her, and he is sadly correct, as it
Speaker 3: has just overtaken his father. This is honestly where I
Speaker 3: would say, if you are listening to this and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: this sounds like not that scary, I could.
Speaker 2: I could probably do it.
Speaker 3: I will say beware going forward, because this is there's
Speaker 3: some really haunting stuff in here that at one am
Speaker 3: I was slightly regretting watching.
Speaker 4: I will say, this shows you into the chaos, like right,
Speaker 4: it gives very slice of life energy of like, okay,
Speaker 4: so clearly, if you've watched like a lot of nineteen
Speaker 4: fifties classic horrors, you're driving type horrors like they all
Speaker 4: sort of start this way, like wide shot of unassuming town,
Speaker 4: preevious music you've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Strange is happening, but you'll never guess what it is.
Speaker 4: And then it's like, okay, here are just two normal
Speaker 4: kids walking to it from school. They go to different schools.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like but their childhood friends. Also, she
Speaker 4: has this extremely hot friend at her regular school now
Speaker 4: at her high school, and everyboddyes, and she had like
Speaker 4: a little shape on her head don't know. That's you know,
Speaker 4: it's interesting. She's like all the boys have always loved me,
Speaker 4: and you're like, that's a little weird, but okay, and
Speaker 4: then you get the weird tongue moment. You're like, this
Speaker 4: is not right. This guy's obsessed with spirals. He won't
Speaker 4: leave anyone alone. He's like, I need the art pieces,
Speaker 4: bring me all the special equipment. I'm obsessed with spirals
Speaker 4: this part, and again, we just want to warn you fully.
Speaker 4: If it sounds okay, it's not okay. It's weird body
Speaker 4: horror people. We're used to seeing this stuff and it's
Speaker 4: not okay. It's bad.
Speaker 2: He gets a tub, yeah, a full tub.
Speaker 3: He gets a top delivered to his house and he's like,
Speaker 3: oh this, I need this tub and in.
Speaker 2: Circular that's normal.
Speaker 4: What happens next it's like a Japanese like circular tub.
Speaker 4: And then and then they just drop off the tub
Speaker 4: and you leave and you're like, okay, that's fine. And
Speaker 4: then the boy and his mother come home and they're like, hey.
Speaker 2: Where's dad, what's going on? This is strange.
Speaker 4: They swipes open the screen and they're like, I've never
Speaker 4: seen this tub before. This is new. Who would have
Speaker 4: put this here. This seems pretty heavy, Oh my job.
Speaker 4: And they open it and Dad has broken every bone
Speaker 4: in his body to physically transform him his physical body,
Speaker 4: himself into a spiral. He has wrapped up coiled in
Speaker 4: the bottom of a tub like a dried out warm
Speaker 4: on a summer day. It's not okay, it's really deeply.
Speaker 3: Very very very up saying. And I will say aboo.
Speaker 3: One of our other super producers had mentioned when he
Speaker 3: was kind of researching about Uzumaki and learning about it,
Speaker 3: that there are some there is a very hated Uzumaki
Speaker 3: early Zero's adaptation, and I think it's every adaptation that
Speaker 3: they have done of ginger Eto.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to put across the horror and the
Speaker 2: beauty of his art.
Speaker 3: And what is so fantastic about this animated adaptation, And
Speaker 3: there were other animated adaptations that people did not like.
Speaker 3: There was an anthology recently in the last few years.
Speaker 3: But what is so fantastic here is this looks like
Speaker 3: you are watching a ging Eto book come to life,
Speaker 3: and in this moment you really really see it, like
Speaker 3: this looks like the translation of what we see in
Speaker 3: the pages of those beautiful books which Viz are doing
Speaker 3: unbelievable remasters of and re releases of right now, and
Speaker 3: we see it on page and on the screen and
Speaker 3: it looks identical, and this is really one of those moments.
Speaker 3: So from here things go terrible. We see a spiral
Speaker 3: coming out of the sky after the dad's funeral, I
Speaker 3: see forms Yeah into his face in the sky with
Speaker 3: the tongue lolling out, and.
Speaker 2: It drives Sueechi's mother mad.
Speaker 3: Then Kirie actually sees the little spiral on a Zumi's head,
Speaker 3: and there's kind of this interesting theme here where Azumi
Speaker 3: represents something that Gingieto does often, which is stories about
Speaker 3: women who are so beautiful and they kind of drive
Speaker 3: men mad, or a lover who is unrequited and goes
Speaker 3: absolutely insane, and we see a lot of stories like
Speaker 3: that tone he is a story like that, and there
Speaker 3: is another one, love Sick, which he does and as
Speaker 3: shueet she becomes more aware of a Zumi's spiral, he
Speaker 3: won't fall in love with her, and that makes a
Speaker 3: Zumi want him because every other man has always kind
Speaker 3: of been lured by her beauty. We then see a
Speaker 3: new kid who gets he's late to school, he's very sweaty,
Speaker 3: he's very hot, he's looking like he's going to get bullied,
Speaker 3: and he does getting his clothes stripped off where we
Speaker 3: see the.
Speaker 2: Spiral in his back. This is a really great moment
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he also loves to do like a gross, sweaty,
Speaker 3: oily person. He has a lot of like creepy short
Speaker 3: stories about There's the one he does where there's a
Speaker 3: boy who lives in a barbecue restaurant and he just
Speaker 3: loves to drink the grease and then the grease.
Speaker 2: Becomes like a part of him. It's really gross. And
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: The best thing about Ginger Eato as well is if
Speaker 3: you're not aware of this, and you can go on
Speaker 3: the viz media Instagram, they have lots of good videos
Speaker 3: proving this. Ginchi Eto is like a really sweet uncle
Speaker 3: who just loves his cats and is like not a taller,
Speaker 3: scary person. So I feel like he's just getting all
Speaker 3: of the terrifying stuff out of him. But this is
Speaker 3: a great example of what he can do. He's putting
Speaker 3: on the page, he's leaving it all there, he's leaving
Speaker 3: it all on a track, nothing left, and then he
Speaker 3: can just sleep well at night. We then get another
Speaker 3: really really scary moment where she eats his mom is
Speaker 3: in the hospital, and she becomes terrified of the spirals
Speaker 3: and she realizes that the worlds on her fingerprints are spirals,
Speaker 3: so she cuts off her own fingerprints and toes so.
Speaker 4: That she does camera does not.
Speaker 2: Shy away scissors to flesh.
Speaker 4: I just I want to be very graphic here so
Speaker 4: you do not misjudge how horrified.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is truly, truly very scary stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know what else, I think that we haven't
Speaker 3: even mentioned yet, which is so funny it because it's
Speaker 3: so inherent as Ginger Eater fans. This is all black
Speaker 3: and white overything Ginger Eo does. He is a mangaka.
Speaker 3: His work is always in black and white. Occasionally there
Speaker 3: will be a beautiful painted panel or something at the beginning,
Speaker 3: but it's always black and white. And this adaptation is
Speaker 3: in black and white. It looks it's adapting his line style,
Speaker 3: his line weight, his very very iconic way of drawing
Speaker 3: women and their faces. But even with that said, when
Speaker 3: you see the black and you know what it represents
Speaker 3: on her fingers, as the blood it is this was
Speaker 3: the first moment I really had to turn away when
Speaker 3: I was watching it because I was so immersed that
Speaker 3: I could feel it, you know. And it's really scary
Speaker 3: when horror is something that you could just do to yourself,
Speaker 3: Like it's so tactile, it's so easy. Everyone has a
Speaker 3: pair of scissors. Very very horrifying. Yeah, what comes next
Speaker 3: is one of the coolest moments and also one of
Speaker 3: the moments that fans have been waiting to see.
Speaker 2: It's one of the cone So.
Speaker 3: You've probably seen many people getting tattooed on their bodies.
Speaker 3: And it's where we see a Zoomie and she goes
Speaker 3: to see Kiri and she says, Kirie, help me. I
Speaker 3: don't know what's happening. And she slides away her hair
Speaker 3: and we see that her entire face has kind of
Speaker 3: been consumed by a spiral.
Speaker 4: Well, you've just given her so much, can we a smidgeback?
Speaker 4: She it's one of the guys who has a crush
Speaker 4: on her. It's like, hey, can you.
Speaker 3: I support women's wrongs, okay, Joel, but give her women's
Speaker 3: full info, give them.
Speaker 4: To ego that this woman not fully okay, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this any.
Speaker 2: Wants she's a spiral cust.
Speaker 4: She gets a full warning of like, hey, that thing
Speaker 4: on your head is gonna become a spiral and you
Speaker 4: should absolutely leave town. And let me tell you this,
Speaker 4: not anyone could tell me to leave town. But if
Speaker 4: a sensible person who is experiencing trauma in their own
Speaker 4: life takes time out of their day to be like, yo,
Speaker 4: this town not good for you.
Speaker 2: Get out. I'm gonna be like, you know what, let.
Speaker 4: Me pack my things up and leave because I watch horror.
Speaker 3: Everyone should leave the town. Let's be real, why don't
Speaker 3: you leave the town is the biggest question that you
Speaker 3: will be yelling at this show.
Speaker 2: The whole time.
Speaker 4: He did, And so she's like, no, screw that, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna allure you to this spot. And then she confesses, Hey,
Speaker 4: my best friend's boyfriend friend for all of their youth,
Speaker 4: I've been in love with you because you don't like me.
Speaker 4: This is toxic. Please please be in love with me too.
Speaker 4: And he's like, yo, I'm not please back away, and
Speaker 4: she's like, no, you must, and then get swept to
Speaker 4: the side and oh no, her eyeball is being swallowed
Speaker 4: into her face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such a cool moment. It's like, you see,
Speaker 2: this is one of.
Speaker 3: Those few moments where you're like, oh, because I love
Speaker 3: the real manga, so it's hard sometimes to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: what can the adaptation bring? But we get to see
Speaker 3: the eye rolling around the spiral in her face and
Speaker 3: being sucked inside, and it is truly, truly terrifying. And
Speaker 3: then rip to that woman. She actually gets sucked into
Speaker 3: her own spiral, and it's another unbelievable body horror moment
Speaker 3: where there's kind of this mutilation of her body as
Speaker 3: it gets sucked inside of this spiral.
Speaker 5: Folded like.
Speaker 3: She gets folded like paper planes, and boom, she's dead
Speaker 3: and we realize we are just at the beginning of
Speaker 3: our descent into the spiral. And that is the end
Speaker 3: of Uzamaki Episode one. There are going to be four episodes.
Speaker 3: They drop at midnight, which is primetime on Adult Swim
Speaker 3: if you've grown up on Adult Swim. They drop at
Speaker 3: midnight every Saturday night. So that's very exciting.
Speaker 2: Joel, So what was your response to this.
Speaker 3: Like, how do you feel about uza Maki Now you've
Speaker 3: watched it, will you go read the manga?
Speaker 2: Do you want to know more? Are you excited to
Speaker 2: see where this goes?
Speaker 4: I am beyond excited to see the rest of this series,
Speaker 4: which I think, just from an artistic standpoint, is going
Speaker 4: to become very important. And like the legacy of manga,
Speaker 4: it's legitimately so beautiful. And I really love the way,
Speaker 4: you know, artists across globally right now, especially in animation,
Speaker 4: I think, are really pushing the mounds of Like listen,
Speaker 4: animation is a style, and because it's the style, we
Speaker 4: can all bring our own, like uniquely, Like if you
Speaker 4: think about Pinocchio and what Del Toro has done with
Speaker 4: like a lot of that's artists, if you think about
Speaker 4: what Star Wars has done with a lot of it's projects, Like,
Speaker 4: we're really seeing some beautiful stuff being made, and to
Speaker 4: see a manga page turned into an anime in this way,
Speaker 4: I mean really just gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous work. On
Speaker 4: top of that, we're in the month of Horror. This
Speaker 4: is kicking off our horror month, which we're really excited
Speaker 4: about here. I of course, the very first thing I
Speaker 4: did was called Carmen, and I was like, I have
Speaker 4: seen Zamaki and I have thoughts, and she was coming
Speaker 4: off of watching The Lighthouse, which was your recommendation, I
Speaker 4: love our triangle, so she was like.
Speaker 2: You, she would love it. I knew she would love,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 4: Because it's so absurd and so fun. And she was
Speaker 4: saying that this cosmic horror genre is really having a moment,
Speaker 4: and she was really reminded of The Lighthouse when she
Speaker 4: came to watch Uzumaki, and I have been thinking about it,
Speaker 4: and I didn't know, like, this term cosmic horror is
Speaker 4: new to me. I was really intrigued by the idea.
Speaker 4: A lot of people were like, Oh, it's just love
Speaker 4: crafty and kind of but not really a lot of
Speaker 4: low crafting work follows into this genre. But it's it's
Speaker 4: like the fear of the unknown. Science context could be bad.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 4: We're exploring and learning all of these new things, and
Speaker 4: if we create something that's terrifying and horrible, and also
Speaker 4: on top of that nature itself, it's just scary. Have
Speaker 4: you been out there? Horrifying things happen and we don't
Speaker 4: even know what's all the way out there in space
Speaker 4: or under the water. It's terrifying. I love not knowing
Speaker 4: what the horror is at the end of a horror movie. Yes,
Speaker 4: is there anything scarier, and I think if that's it
Speaker 4: feels like that's what we're leaning into here. And that's
Speaker 4: my favorite when they don't answer what the monster scary
Speaker 4: thing is and you're like, I'm still scared and I
Speaker 4: need resolutions, like how.
Speaker 2: Does the spiral work? You're never gonna know that it's
Speaker 2: just a spiral.
Speaker 4: It's who's doing it? No, the God's angry?
Speaker 2: What's going on it? What's angry? Who else? Why did
Speaker 2: we do this?
Speaker 3: But I think you bring up a fantastic point. I
Speaker 3: also I love cosmic horror, but I do think that
Speaker 3: a lot of it is defined by Lovecraft, who was
Speaker 3: a terrible person. I feel happy to say that. Feel
Speaker 3: go and google it. He was a racist sucker. So
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of Lovecraft, but I do love
Speaker 3: cosmic horror, and I love that we are in a
Speaker 3: space now where we are getting more cosmic horror that
Speaker 3: strays from Lovecraft, that is not an adaptation of Lovecraft.
Speaker 3: I definitely think Gingi Eto is a fantastic cosmic horror writer.
Speaker 3: He has a brilliant book called Remina that's a fantastic
Speaker 3: iteration of the genre. I personally currently at the moment,
Speaker 3: I am working on a cosmic horror comic that I'm hoping
Speaker 3: is going to get picked up. So yeah, very exciting
Speaker 3: times for cosmic horror. Also, I want to say it
Speaker 3: was so sad, calm and cannot be here right now.
Speaker 3: She is on a fun trip, so good for her.
Speaker 3: But she also pointed out that they did not joke
Speaker 3: around with this cast because that voice actor for Shuichi
Speaker 3: is Shinachiromiki, who is in Perfect Blue, who is in
Speaker 3: most of the Pokemon movies as James, and he's also
Speaker 3: Roy Mustang in Full Metal Alchemist. So this is just
Speaker 3: a schmorgasboard of anime impressiveness and I'm really excited. I
Speaker 3: hope you guys will give this a try. And if
Speaker 3: you do not like horror movies, I hope you have
Speaker 3: enjoyed our fun, spooky rendition of this and it doesn't
Speaker 3: give you nightmares.
Speaker 2: And on tomorrow's episode of.
Speaker 3: Xtra Vision, me and Jason are going to be diving
Speaker 3: into the Rings of Power season finale. Who speaking of horrifying,
Speaker 3: You're gonna see some horrifying things in that finale, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say it. And episode three of Agatha
Speaker 3: all Along down Down Down, we Go Down the Witches.
Speaker 2: That's the episode. Thank you for listening.
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