WEBVTT - Uzamaki: Spiraling out of control! 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.000 Warning today's episode con taste spoilers for the first terrifying 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:25.599 chapter of uzer Markie on Adult Swim. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:27.800 Hello, my name is Rosie. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.320 Knight and I am Joel and welcome back to a 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.680 spooky edition of Xtra Visi, the podcast where we dive 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.440 deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.040 We are here at Iart Podcasts where we're bringing you 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.120 two episodes a week, every single week Tuesday and Thursday, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.120 and sometimes even get a special little extra. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.159 Episode Look at you, guys, So Lucky, So Lucky. 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:58.200 In today's delightful and terrifying episode, we are digging into 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.120 the previously on where from his fur Cobble is having 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.880 a terrible time with the Megalopolis box office and super 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:11.120 producer Aaron tags in to walk us through all the 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.640 magic the gathering scandal that broke this weekend. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.280 In the airlock, we will be Uzi. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.720 Mackieing it up as the long awaited five years in 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:26.720 the making anime adaptation of Jungi Itto hits Adult Swim 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:28.319 dub or sub what do you Like? 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:29.759 We're going to talk about it, but. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:36.760 First it's the previously on in the box office Francis 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.360 for couple is one hundred and twenty million dollar investment 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:44.800 in himself has crumbled four million this week. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.760 You can saw it coming? Who could ever have seen 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:48.360 it coming? 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.720 And The Wild Robot Lands at number one with thirty 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:57.760 five million. That delightful book adapt that delightful film actually 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.720 adapts a very very pot Pela Kids book series by 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:02.480 Peter Brown. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.040 And I am seeing the reporting. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.240 Saying, oh, this is a surprise hit for dream Works. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.000 You know, people didn't know it was going to make 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.080 this much money. I had a feeling it's like one 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.800 hundred percent on Morong Tomorrow's the Books. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.360 It's a beautiful animated film based off of a popular 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.519 book series, and it appeals to children at all ages, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.360 which there's no competition really. Oh there's no big kids 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.919 movie out right now. Those movies always at the very 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.520 least make their box office back mm hmmm. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:31.919 Yeah. 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.440 And I think my gut says this one could run 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.040 till Christmas, so very interesting. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:38.560 That would be a very long run. 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:40.160 I think it could do it. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.320 I think it's got the legs because it's a family 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.839 based movie. It's about adoption, it's about found family, it's 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.280 about AI. I think there's a lot there and it 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.560 does look absolutely beautiful. I haven't seen it yet, but 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:51.480 I have read the books. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.680 Cion Skate continuing to struggle with megal. Oh my gosh, 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.280 they got into fifteen hundred screens, I think, which is 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.840 a lot, especially considering there's a whole part that requires 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.400 a performer, although I think do they say they wound up? 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:06.239 Okay? 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.680 Out how the mind? I'm gonna tell you. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.160 So this was one of the biggest conversations that we 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.080 were all having in the lead up to this movie. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.160 When this movie debut at can it was revealed that 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.440 there is a segment where Adam Driver talks to a 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.560 member of the audience who gets up and asks him questions. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.840 I have heard very mixed reviews on it. Apparently there 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:27.480 is a lot of lead in time, it can be 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.480 quite awkward, and it's not clear whether the person is 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.080 actually reading the lines or if it's pre recorded audio. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:35.240 So it's a lot. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.000 But I did find out that they are only doing 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.000 that at certain screenings called ultimate editions, and it seems 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.280 like they are at least hiring actors to go in 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.960 and do those segments in the movie. Whereas my joke 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.440 had been and it was very serious joke honestly that 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.160 they will probably just pull up a kid from like 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.680 a popcorn stand and make them do it, because I've 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.200 worked in a cinema and they do make you do 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.400 unnecessary stuff. 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.160 But you know what, this is not worked out. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.160 The Ultimate Edition at the Imax has clearly not been 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:10.080 drawing people in. I have seen many funny, hilarious tweets 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.040 about it, though, which have been giving me life. Like 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.160 I saw someone who said a perfect tonal amalgamation of 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.279 my two favorite movies, Citizen Kane and Revenge of the Sith, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.720 and I just think any movie that can be described 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.159 that way, I have to tell you I am gonna 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.320 go and see it just because I love a disaster 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:29.880 and this sounds like a disaster. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:30.400 I know. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.520 Usually on this podcast we always try and be positive, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.240 but the reporting that has come out about the way 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.359 Francis for Coppola has treated extras on this set, I 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.480 don't know that we necessarily have to keep our usually 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.839 positive vibes. But some people I deeply respect have given 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.680 it five stars on Letterboxed have felt like it's actually 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.960 quite a great treatise on this kind of era we're in, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.000 of the creative versus the corporate but I will have 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.400 to go and see it myself, and I'm sure we 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.320 will report back to you. But yeah, not going well 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.440 for old Francis Ford Coppola. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.279 In art going well right exactly. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.080 This is actually a huge win for the average man, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.359 the average man on the street, the average the average 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.480 lady going about her business, the average They them attempting 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.880 to just do a little shopping around, write a little comic. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:29.880 So Marvel and DC have long held a joint trademark 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.120 for the word superhero. It's superhero has one word and 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.719 superhero as two words. It's been very controversial for a 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.000 very long time. My husband Nick, he loves to talk 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.160 about it. You can go back for years on the internet, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.560 and he has been claiming that this is basically unprotectable 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.160 because it is so generic at this point. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.360 And what happened, incredibly is that a man named s. J. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:56.040 Rich Hold, who owns a company called super Baby's Limited, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:01.200 which releases superhero baby comics. DC came after him and said, hey, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.440 you can't use super babies, which was a reach first 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.400 of all, and they shouldn't have done it, but they did, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.479 and he tried to secure the super Baby's trademark in 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.160 the US, DC was not having it, but Marvel and 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.120 DC did not respond to the challenge by the deadline. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:24.080 Oh and so what happened is that the US Department 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.400 of Trademark, like the US Office of Trademarks, they actually 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:33.120 just released the trademark and we're like, fine, we're canceling 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.479 the trademarks. So this is not like a Supreme Court 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:37.840 like they can appeal it thing. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.200 It's been released. So this is a huge. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:46.120 Deal and it's gonna be very interesting to see what 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.599 happens next because Marvel and DC like own it in 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.200 capitals still and they also owned super Villain, which was 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.560 a nineteen eighty five trademark as long as it has a. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.279 Dash in the middle. But this is huge. They have 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.159 long been. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.919 Going after people who use the word superhero in titles. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.160 You can use it within a story, but you cannot 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.960 like name your thing like Rosy and Joel's Superhero Adventure, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.040 Like they could come after us and say, just infringes 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.000 on our trademark. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.920 Nobody thinks of superhero and there's exclusively like oh, that's 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.679 Marvel or DC. And also, like I was seeing people 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.720 were pulling up old comic book like newsletter spaces yep, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.360 and they were like, yeah, so. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.600 Pre Superman exactly. Well, this is actually the most superhero 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:31.600 So this is this. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.680 Is the most interesting thing is that the first place 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.000 that they ever found superheroes was, as you said in 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.520 the letters pages, I believe it was of of Science 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:48.080 Fiction magazine. Nick is like desperate to get this issue 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.400 where a guy basically wrote in and critically was like, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.440 you're not doing enough. Fancy, you're not doing enough, you know, 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:00.000 genre stories. You're going into these kind of bobbleheaded, nonsense 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.160 superhero stories. And that is like the first time it's 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.160 in text. So it's not even something Marvel and DC 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.679 came up with. It was something they trademarked after the fact, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.080 when fans had come up with this term like so 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.200 much that Marvel and DC do the fans I've always 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:15.480 been driving that conversation. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.040 But yeah, this was really funny. I actually should have recorded. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.160 I was joking with my friend Mark, who sent this over, 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.000 who's a brilliant cartoonist, Mark Martinez, and he sent it 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:26.680 to me and I said, oh my god, I should 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.400 film Nick when I tell him this, But I didn't 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.960 do it, Like I was joking, but Nick's face was 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.319 literally I should have filmed it. He was like so happy. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.520 This was the best news for him. It is great 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.680 news for indie comics creators everywhere. And I'm very interested 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.600 to see what happens next because we know that Marvel 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.920 and DC are very litigious, so the fact they didn't 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:49.280 chase this down and kind of respond to the challenge 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.400 in time is very interesting to me. So I'm intrigued 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.200 to see what happens next. And that wasn't the only 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.640 controversy that was occurring this weekend in fandom spaces. So 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.800 I'm going to tap in on Magic the Gathering correspondent 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.480 and super producer Aaron wang Kaufman to tell us about 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.880 the latest Magic the Gathering scandal. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:17.040 Hello, Rosie and Joel, And speaking of this is I 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.480 prepped this transition, so it's a little dated now. But 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:24.600 speaking of super babies, let's let's get into the drama 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.679 around Magic the Gathering this past week and then escalating 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.920 into this weekend and Monday, September thirtieth. So, Magic the 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.400 Gathering is a collectible card game for those of you 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.560 who don't know. When you build a deck of forty 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.760 to sixty cards and you play against each other and 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.960 you cast spells and create creatures and it's a lot 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.000 of fun. It's something many of us played when we 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.800 were kids. Maybe my video is not on, but I 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.680 have my magic cards on the bookshelf behind me at 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:56.520 all times as like part of my video background. And 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.840 there's a newer format, not particularly new. It actually started 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.720 long time ago, but it's grown in popularity called Commander 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.760 and Commander has become the main way people playing magic, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:12.840 and like people start playing magic with Commander, they're introduced 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.400 to it through that, and it's really become the most 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:21.240 popular thing. And there is the founding member. Sheldon Menery 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:26.080 is the founding founding member of the Commander rules Committee 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.040 who passed away not too long ago, and he was 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:34.040 like an iconic person within the Magic and Commander space. Well, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.160 last Monday, Wizards of the Coast, who publishes Magic and 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.800 does Dodgers and Dragons as well, they banned four cards 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:47.720 from Commander, Dockside Extortionists, Jeweled Lotus, Manicrypt, and Nado Winged 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.360 Wisdom and so these cards were all very high level cards, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.640 high power. So the reason they're getting rid of them 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.480 is like it creates a less fun play environment if 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.120 I have one of these overpowered cards and you don't, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.520 and I get started really quickly, like the game could 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.960 be over within a few turns. Interesting, and it caused 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:14.760 a ton of pushback because magic is is a game, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.880 but it also has a collectible aspect to it. And 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.200 so some of these cards, most notably you know, like 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.320 Man Crypt, Jeweled Lotus, These are very expensive cards, and 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:29.080 as soon as they got banned, the price plummeted, and 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.440 so people were pissed because they're like, I have like 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.480 spent all this money buying these cards because they're a 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.960 quote unquote investment, and now Wizards of the Cost comes 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:41.840 in and bans them, and I've lost all this money. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.160 Whether or not you should be using Magic the gathering 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:48.280 as an investment is a discussion for something else entirely. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.240 Yeah, but we live. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.280 In a speculative space with both comics and magic, and 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.440 everyone knows how I feel about speculation. Bad, Yeah, Karon, Like, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.520 what is what is your read on this? Like your 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.760 subjective read if you don't mind giving it. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.679 Well, so the story isn't done, Rosie. So they they 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.560 banned these cards, and then the Rules Committee, which is 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.120 a group of volunteers who are very prominent in the 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.400 magic space who advise Wizards of the Coast on things 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.199 to do. They were consulted on this, and it seems 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.040 like pretty much universally the Rules Committee was like, you 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.280 shouldn't do these bands, and Wizards of the Coast still did. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.360 Then Josh lee Qui, who is one of the most 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.000 popular Commander content creators. He works for the Command Zone, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.320 it's a YouTube channel, he resigned from the Rules Committee 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:45.040 last week. Rules Committee members were getting death threats and 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.800 like in particular the female members, you know, in particular, 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.440 getting really horrible notes and things sent to them. And 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.000 so today Monday, September thirtieth, Wizards of the Coast announced 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.320 that the entire Rules Committee is resigning and Wizards of 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:07.080 the Coast will take everything in house. This is kind 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.560 of a worst case scenario, I think as a magic player, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.520 because you have the basically you've just given everything back 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.720 to the corporation. I mean, the corporation clearly was in 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.360 charge anyways, but we had some people who were dedicated 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.600 to the playing part of it and the social aspect 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.080 who are advising them, and now they're just gone. Because 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.040 the fandom was so horrible and we're making death threats 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:38.000 towards people who didn't who didn't want this to happen 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.319 in a really embarrassing way for things to go. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.880 Yeah, it sounds terrible. And also this is like this 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.319 seems kind of on brand right now for Wizards of 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.080 the Coast because they had a similar kind of issue 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.400 earlier this year, right where it was like they were. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.760 Trying to ban home brews or something, or they were 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.680 trying to, like with Dungeon and Drags, they were trying 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.760 to take ip that people had created in homebrews and said, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.280 if you create this homebrew, we own it. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:08.880 If you create. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.880 Anything within these spaces, we own it. That was a 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.920 huge backlash to that, and they ended up having to 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:13.640 go back on it. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.079 But it sounds like that kind of. 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:20.280 Corporate over meddling is becoming an issue for them. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.760 Yeah, and there's been a good and bad to it. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.200 So part of it is Wizards of the Coast was 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.680 purchased by Hasbro and so like big shareholder pressure now. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.200 And I remember as a kid when I first played Magic, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.320 I think it was like two or three sets came 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.120 out a year, and now it feels like there's a 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.320 new set every month of cards, and part of that 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.120 is they have a really profitable set called Universes Beyond, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.000 which is a crossover with other things. So, yes, they 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.520 had this Lord of the Ring set that was incredible 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.320 and brought in so many new players. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:57.080 They also had. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.960 Fallout, Wow, they had Doctor Who, Assassin's they have there, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.360 there's a Marvel one coming potentially next year if not, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.520 you know. So there's a lot of space for these, 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.440 you know, sort of crossovers to new audiences and new 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.440 players of the game and new collectors too. But a 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.600 lot of people are really upset with how quickly they're 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.800 churning out stuff that maybe isn't getting enough play testing 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.080 and enough thought ahead of time to be like this 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.600 card was always going to be too broken. Why would 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.160 you publish this? Why? Why you know, couldn't you see 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.680 that this would make things unfair? So it is it's 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.120 like the curse of more. We're getting too many cards. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:47.320 And Commander is in some ways like the most casual 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.480 format because it started off with like, here are these 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.720 cards that I'm never going to put in a competitive deck. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.480 I'm going to do this silly thing, like my deck 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.680 is all people wearing hats, or my deck is you know, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.320 everyone has to be looking to the right on the Yeah, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.400 but these cards that are getting banned are ones that 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:08.920 are like incredibly competitive and mm hmmm. Yeah, and it's 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.240 it's been hard to figure out where that balance of 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:19.120 like silly fun stuff lies with like more competitive, cutthroat cards. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:19.960 Yeah. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.720 Especially I think if there is a correlation between how 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.200 competitive the card is and how expensive it is, that 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:32.120 also introduces like a strange, you know, class system within 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.080 the players who can afford a collectible card. But Aaron, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.040 thank you so much for tapping in and bnr MTG expert. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.000 I'm very excited to keep learning more about this because 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.960 I'm guessing it doesn't sound like it's fully over. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.760 No, And and I can't wait to come on and 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.840 talk about the Marvel set when that comes out. But 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:52.680 until then, I'm ready. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.560 The Lord of the Ring set was really. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.640 Beautiful to see that, very very good. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:56.920 Yeah. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.200 I have some friends and that was their absolute favorite one, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.760 so love it. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.360 Thank you, Aaron, bye, and thanks. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.040 Coming up, me and Joel are stepping out of the 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:12.480 airlock and talking Uza maki. But first, a message from 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:31.960 our spirals, I mean sponsors. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.200 And we're back. And though you may be happy about that. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.880 You may regret that choice because we are going into 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:45.399 the terrifying world of Junji Eto's Uza Maki. Joel had 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.919 were you aware of uza Maki before you watched the 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.720 adult Swim adaptation? 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.199 Only in the way that I'm aware of that anime 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.840 girl with the red eyes who has are like hands, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.359 hyderactis and kimono. In the other words, I've seen the 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.200 images everywhere. I just do not know who that person 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.200 is or this jokes they are involved with the Torley 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:12.000 Eyes their beautiful art, so it's like a curtiory awareness. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:14.399 But when I heard this show was coming and I 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.960 saw the fans getting excited, I said, now's my time 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.240 to check in, and I'm really glad I did. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.840 Yeah, So Uzamaki is probably junge Eto's like most well 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.280 known work. Was originally published nineteen ninety eight to nineteen 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.959 ninety nine serialized in what are very popular in Japan, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.879 which are like weekly comic book magazines. This was Shogar 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.240 Kukuan's big comic Spirits, and it tells the story of 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:45.119 a town that is under a spiral curse, where seeing 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:50.000 spirals makes people go crazy, and it's a great example 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.480 of what makes Gingi Eto so fantastic, which is this 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:58.919 very striking, simplified line work with just the most absolutely 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.680 nice Marrish concept that you would never have thought of. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.399 He's definitely one of the most original creators we have 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:10.119 in comics, and the first episode of that adult Swim 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.720 adaptation is absolutely fantastic. It is long awaited. This was 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:19.040 announced in twenty nineteen and it has been a running 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.960 conversation within anime and comic circles of like, will it 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.280 ever come out? So the fact that it came out 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:31.040 dropped on Saturday, the twenty eight of September, was just 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.840 a huge deal. I think a lot of us didn't 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.000 believe it was going to happen, and honestly, it is 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:36.879 pretty stunning. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.280 So we're going to do a little speed. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.760 Recap and kind of react as we go. But just 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.520 like the book, we begin in a fictional Japanese town 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:51.760 called Kuruzuchu, where a woman named Kirie Gushima tells us 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.960 that she is going to reveal all the strange things 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.840 that happened in her town. Then we cut to these 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.840 eerie ass credits to kind of hint at the spiral 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.119 or curse to come. What was your feeling when you 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.640 were watching the credits. It was definitely giving me the chills. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.440 I was immusst immediately. 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.919 I love an animation that demands your attention, right and 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.040 we sees the cross. There's so much good animation. The 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.080 way this set up little spirals everywhere, then lures you 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.040 in with like, first this cute little flower pet. You 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.520 love a little flower curl. It's giving like children's drawing, 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.919 so innocent and sweet. And then there's one and like 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:27.560 that's just up in the upper right hand corner and 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.600 you're like, well that's kind of queer. Oh that's doing there. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.760 And then there's another one to your left, and then 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.719 there's a man screaming about spials and you're like, oh, 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.480 I'm already one hundred percent sucked in. It feels like 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.600 you're being spiraled in to the story because it's so 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.879 subliminal and fun. I watched this three times, twice with 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.800 the duve, once with the sub. I did like the 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:48.760 sub a little bit. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.840 Yeah, I will say I agree, but I did think 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:53.560 the dub was actually really good. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.840 And I don't think you lose anything by watching the dub. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.120 It if you want to watch it and you don't 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.240 have time to eat SubTime which always make the time, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.720 but if you feel like you it's easier for you 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.440 to listen in English. The dub is really good, more 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:12.240 than serviceable, and still keeps the creepy vibes. So another 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.040 cool thing I think that will draw horror fans to this, 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:19.639 even if you're not an animation fan. The composer is 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.679 the Hereditary composer Colin Stepson, and he does such a 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.520 good job here creating this really terrifying soundtrack. I watched 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.520 this with Nick and Oliver, the artist from Monster and 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.680 Summer Camp. We're in Ohio at the moment. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:34.400 Oliver has a. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.960 Really beautiful old house and we were watching it in 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.120 the old house at like one am in the morning, 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.560 all of us together, and it was so so scary, 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.560 even just the soundtrack and the opening. It's, like you said, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.880 it sets you up to know that we're gonna see 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.239 something that is unsettling and it's gonna haunt you. And 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.240 one of my favorite things about this story is it 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.639 worms its way into your head and you start thinking, well, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.399 what if I saw the spiral? You know, this is 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.520 a tiny thing and you're watching the show, so is 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.119 it a ring esque curse that you could take on. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:10.639 It really gets into your imagination that way. And the 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:16.600 story begins properly when we meet Kiri again and her 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.440 friend Shuichi, who has kind of been a little bit 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.119 out of the circle recently, hasn't been around, and he 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:28.000 tells Kiri it's because his father has become obsessed with spirals. 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:29.560