WEBVTT - MLB Playoff Preview | 2026

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<v Speaker 1>His first offering just a bit outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be a home run. Oh my God, deep

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<v Speaker 2>to right field.

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<v Speaker 1>Way up there.

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<v Speaker 2>My, oh my. And look who's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about a roll of the dice.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the payoff pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Payoff Pitch, Action Network's Major League Baseball betting podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This is your 2026 MLB Playoffs Betting Preview. I'm Colin Whitchurch,

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Action Network Senior MLB Analyst Sean Zarrillo, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as our old friend Anthony DeBundo of The Ringer.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to break down the entire MLB postseason, look

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<v Speaker 2>at some futures, look at some teams we're buying, some

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<v Speaker 2>teams we're selling. Take a look at a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of these first four wildcard series that are starting on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>We're recording this Monday morning. Still a lot of pitching

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<v Speaker 2>uncertainty in those series, but we'll talk about those. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for more bets, more action on a game-by-game standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be recording our Tuesday Best Bets episode

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<v Speaker 2>a little later this evening, and we will have new

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<v Speaker 2>episodes of Payoff Pitch, breaking down best bets on a

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<v Speaker 2>daily basis every Monday through Friday throughout October. So be

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<v Speaker 2>sure to stay tuned for that. Let's jump right into it. Dabundo,

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<v Speaker 2>before we get started, your Phillies, they survived. They're in.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling? This is a payoff pitch started.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe our first season was 2022. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first season of payoff pitch where my White Sox

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<v Speaker 2>are in the playoffs. Your Phillies are here every year.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we do this a little bit every year,

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<v Speaker 2>but they survived the torrid assault by the Diamondbacks trying

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up there. How are you feeling about your

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<v Speaker 2>Phillies going into October?

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<v Speaker 3>A huge sigh of relief on Sunday when they scored

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<v Speaker 3>in the first inning. It was a feeling like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they have it all lined up. Rays aren't really trying.

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<v Speaker 1>Home game. You have all your best pitchers available. You're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet you still had the sinking feeling that the

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<v Speaker 3>team that had scored, what, three runs the whole week

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to be able to put any offense across.

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<v Speaker 3>So the fact they did it, they took the weight

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<v Speaker 3>lifted off their shoulders. Five straight years in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's only happened twice in my life. They're only one

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<v Speaker 3>of two teams in this field to have that streak

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<v Speaker 3>along with the Dodgers. So I'm excited as a fan.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we get to watch one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>rivalries in baseball right now. I mean, the Phillies and

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<v Speaker 3>Braves were going at it in September. There's curtain calls

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<v Speaker 3>and slow trots around the bases and I know Red

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<v Speaker 3>Sox-Yankees historically has the juice, but in terms of currently,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is an incredibly compelling series.

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<v Speaker 2>Zerillo, I feel like we, I remember really vividly, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the three of us recording our playoff preview podcast

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<v Speaker 2>last year. The Dodgers had slipped to the three seed,

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<v Speaker 2>had to play in the wildcard round, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>us said, well, you just got to bet the Dodgers, right?

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<v Speaker 2>They're not the World Series favorite for once. This year,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the two seed. The Brewers, once again, the one seed.

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<v Speaker 2>the Dodgers are the world series favorite going in. What

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<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts just kind of generally before we jump

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<v Speaker 2>into the buy sell on kind of Dodgers versus the

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<v Speaker 2>field and, and how this is setting up you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the NL race and the brewers and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I took the Dodgers at plus three 50 at this

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<v Speaker 4>time last year. I'm going to give them out a

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<v Speaker 4>plus two 30 right now. I ran a few different models.

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<v Speaker 4>I have my game sim model. that, you know, projects

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<v Speaker 4>out every game, runs a Monte Carlo situation of all

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<v Speaker 4>those different potential projections. Roughly speaking, projects the Dodgers to

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<v Speaker 4>win each series around 70% of the time, maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit lower than that. Composite projections, Fangraus, Pocota, ATC,

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<v Speaker 4>all those good ones that we always talk about. Pretty

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<v Speaker 4>similar range, about 70% per series on average. You get

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<v Speaker 4>them to about 30%, 33% at highest to win the

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<v Speaker 4>World Series, roughly in line with where they're Moneyline is

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<v Speaker 4>listed for the World Series. Their price is listed for

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<v Speaker 4>the World Series. However, I ran a playoff fit model.

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<v Speaker 4>I back-tested every data point I could possibly think of,

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of different data points. Every stat component you could

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<v Speaker 4>think of, chase rate, plate discipline stuff, power metrics, pulled

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<v Speaker 4>fly ball rate, you name it, I tested it. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 4>I found that four things correlate very highly to predicting

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<v Speaker 4>playoff series winners, much higher than the betting market has suggested.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very good at picking big favorites as well. And

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<v Speaker 4>it determined that lineup quality expected Woba is by far

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<v Speaker 4>the most important data point. And for the Dodgers and

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<v Speaker 4>this team specifically, this is the best Dodgers offense there

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<v Speaker 4>has been during their reign of title runs that they've

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<v Speaker 4>had winning however many division titles in a row, aside

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<v Speaker 4>from the one that the Giants snuck in over them.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the best daughter's offense. Now, what is a

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<v Speaker 4>little goofy about that is they have not, the lineup

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<v Speaker 4>who projects as their best nine, who should be together

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<v Speaker 4>in the playoffs. They have not really been on the

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<v Speaker 4>field together much this season. They've had one guy missing

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<v Speaker 4>at various times. They've had Kyle Tucker not hitting for

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<v Speaker 4>huge parts of the season. Mookie Betts not hitting for

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<v Speaker 4>huge parts of the season. Betts and Tucker came on late.

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<v Speaker 4>Pahes and Teoscar kind of slowed down. So like there's

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<v Speaker 4>sort of in this trade-off of who's hitting versus who's

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<v Speaker 4>not hitting. Otani's coming back from the IL, just played

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<v Speaker 4>a handful of games, hit the ball hard in one

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<v Speaker 4>of those games, but hasn't hit a homer since he

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<v Speaker 4>came back off the IL. So the point is, on paper,

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<v Speaker 4>this Dodgers offense is better than any of the teams

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<v Speaker 4>they've sent to the playoffs recently. Their rotation is as

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<v Speaker 4>good or better with Skubal at the top than not

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<v Speaker 4>only any team in this field, but any rotation they've sent.

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<v Speaker 4>to the playoffs previously. And the other main takeaways are

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<v Speaker 4>that bullpen quality doesn't really matter that much in October.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, after backtesting those 100 playoff series or so

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<v Speaker 4>since 2016, the team who had the better regular season

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<v Speaker 4>bullpen lost the series about half the time. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think when, and this is a larger point that you

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<v Speaker 4>can kind of look forward at as we continue on

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<v Speaker 4>into these playoffs. I do think that when in a

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<v Speaker 4>series where we see relievers get used multiple times against

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<v Speaker 4>the same hitters, we see the deleterious effect it has

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<v Speaker 4>on those relievers. Every time you bring them into the game,

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<v Speaker 4>every time they face the same hitters, they're just slightly

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<v Speaker 4>less effective. That is proven out statistically over a number

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<v Speaker 4>of years. And as a result, when you get into

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<v Speaker 4>the latter part of a series. I do think the

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<v Speaker 4>bullpens matter less. The starting pitching quality matters more. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with, I think where the starting pitching quality also

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<v Speaker 4>matters is in terms of what Yamamoto did for the

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<v Speaker 4>daughters last postseason or what other teams will do with

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<v Speaker 4>their extra starters in the postseason. You know, the Yankees

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<v Speaker 4>have all of the starting pitching depth, starting pitching depth

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<v Speaker 4>that is arguably better than some of their relief pitchers.

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<v Speaker 4>Does Aaron Boone deploy Guys like Will Warren in relief

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<v Speaker 4>or Carlos Rodon in relief. So how do they use

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<v Speaker 4>their extra arms that they have even beyond for the Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 4>for instance, their core four that they have in their rotation?

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<v Speaker 4>How do they use them at Sheehan out of the bullpen?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, how do they use their other arms even

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<v Speaker 4>beyond what they have in terms of starting pitching quality?

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<v Speaker 4>But the reason why I think starting pitching quality is

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<v Speaker 4>so important is is not just because of it's the

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<v Speaker 4>guy starting the game. I think it takes the pressure

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<v Speaker 4>off of your bullpen, causes your bullpen to throw fewer innings,

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<v Speaker 4>exposes that bullpen less to the opposing offense. But the

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<v Speaker 4>main takeaway is from this research, that lineup quality is

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<v Speaker 4>about 80% of what contributes to team success in the

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<v Speaker 4>playoffs relative to what the series pricing already tells you.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think lineup is something that you can always

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<v Speaker 4>fall back on and factor in a little bit more

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<v Speaker 4>heavily in a team like the Brewers who we'll discuss later.

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<v Speaker 4>Their offensive metrics trended up this year, which is why

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<v Speaker 4>I think they're a little bit more legitimate of a threat.

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<v Speaker 4>But as I said, gave out the Dodgers last year

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<v Speaker 4>at this time, giving them out again, I like them

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<v Speaker 4>down to about plus 200. The playoff fit model has

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<v Speaker 4>them winning each series about 75% of the time. It

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<v Speaker 4>makes them north of 40% to win the World Series,

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<v Speaker 4>odds on to win the National League. So why I

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to kind of run different models and compare and

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<v Speaker 4>contrast relative to all the herding that is out there

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<v Speaker 4>with regard to the game sim stuff. I think the

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<v Speaker 4>Dodgers have traits that line up really well with champions.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is arguably the best team they've sent to

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<v Speaker 4>the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you did the work on this because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like over the course of baseball discourse and history,

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<v Speaker 3>you can pretty much say anything and find an example

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<v Speaker 3>that fits your prior. Like you got to have a

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<v Speaker 3>good bullpen to win in October. Nobody wins on a

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<v Speaker 3>good bullpen. It's like, well, two years ago or last year,

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers didn't really have a bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>They won.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, well, but if you got like two

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<v Speaker 3>or three really good starters, you can win the world series.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, Well, no, there's actually teams that have

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<v Speaker 3>bullpen series and won World Series. It's like, oh, but

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<v Speaker 3>you got to hit a lot of home runs or

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<v Speaker 3>else you're cooked. And it's like, well, no, actually data

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<v Speaker 3>shows manufacturing runs is good. It's like, oh, but you

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<v Speaker 3>got to manufacture runs. It's like, well, no, actually hitting

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<v Speaker 3>home runs also good. And it's very funny to me

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<v Speaker 3>because I think I've heard everybody make the case, depending

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<v Speaker 3>on which team they want to support or which team

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<v Speaker 3>they root for or which team they want to bet on. Like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this one trait, this one team is really good at.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really important in October. The other stuff you can

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<v Speaker 3>kind of mess around with. We'll worry about that later.

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<v Speaker 3>But I have a feeling I know who Sean's going

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<v Speaker 3>to pick in Cubs Padres after listening to him talk

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<v Speaker 3>about respective bullpens and offenses.

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<v Speaker 4>One more stat that I want to just point out,

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<v Speaker 4>because in regards to what Anthony said, manufacturing runs important,

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<v Speaker 4>hitting the ball hard important. The Dodgers not only have

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<v Speaker 4>the best offense in baseball, they also have the third

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<v Speaker 4>lowest strikeout rate or fourth lowest strikeout rate. They put

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<v Speaker 4>the ball in play a ton. So even if Otani's injured,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a team that's still going to give itself

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<v Speaker 4>chances to win just because they put the ball in

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<v Speaker 4>play and do not strike out that much. I believe

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<v Speaker 4>they have the lowest strikeout rate in the National League.

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<v Speaker 4>So It just, you know, the combination of the power

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<v Speaker 4>and also the contact ability, you compare that to a

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<v Speaker 4>team like the Yankees, who also hits the ball hard.

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<v Speaker 4>The Yankees are like 23rd in strikeout rate. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to have a lot more whiffs with men

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<v Speaker 4>on base, runners in scoring position, and not produce those runs.

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<v Speaker 4>And against a team like the Rays, who they'd have

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<v Speaker 4>to play in the LDS, that's going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>real problem for them. So just wanted to point that out.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only do the Dodgers hit the ball hard, they

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<v Speaker 4>also avoid strikeouts and strikeout rate, along with offensive quality,

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<v Speaker 4>the two main data points in terms of offensive performance.

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<v Speaker 4>contributions for playoff scoring.

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<v Speaker 3>Lowest strikeout rates in the in the league this year

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<v Speaker 3>tampa dodgers d-backs guardians yeah three of the four by.

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<v Speaker 2>Teams when you bring up needing bullpens for uh deep

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<v Speaker 2>october on the first team i think of as the

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<v Speaker 2>2019 nationals uh they had strasburg and scherzer on top

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<v Speaker 2>but they were cobbling like reliever variance is so insane

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<v Speaker 2>it's like oh you get a good three weeks out

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<v Speaker 2>of Daniel Hudson and you're going to win the world series.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they were, they were relying a lot on

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Hudson, Tanner Rainey, 42 year old Fernando Rodney down

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<v Speaker 2>the stretch there.

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<v Speaker 4>The Rangers had a very similarly bad bullpen on paper

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<v Speaker 4>going to the playoffs as well. You don't need a

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<v Speaker 4>good bullpen to win in October. It doesn't hurt, but

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of pricing it for series money lines, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's fully factored in. I think starting pitching quality

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<v Speaker 4>is way more important.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't know who the good bullpens are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, virtually any major league quality reliever can have

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<v Speaker 2>a hot three weeks, right? And that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>we see here. DeBundo, when Sean was talking there, he

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the Brewers, he mentioned lineup quality, and it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like you wanted to jump in immediately. I'm curious. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I read it wrong, but I'm curious just generally. We

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<v Speaker 2>talk a lot about the Dodgers here. They're the favorites, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>for a reason. We all were in on them at

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<v Speaker 2>the start of the playoffs last year. Are you... kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in the same boat as Zarrillo with the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there another team you're buying that has like sneaky value?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the Brewers? Is it someone else?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the big question with the Dodgers is the

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<v Speaker 3>health of Shohei Otani. And what version of Otani are

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<v Speaker 3>we getting in the playoffs? Because he was not the

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<v Speaker 3>same player down the stretch by any means. And he's

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<v Speaker 3>battling multiple different injuries. And it got to the point

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<v Speaker 3>where his play on the field suffered. Then he gets

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<v Speaker 3>the injured list break. He comes back, so he does

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<v Speaker 3>get some reps. But I think that's the one big unknown.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not sitting here coming in saying I'm ready

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<v Speaker 3>to bet against Shohei Otani in the playoffs. However, that

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<v Speaker 3>is the one domino of this whole thing because as

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<v Speaker 3>much as Mookie's been up and down and Freddie has

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<v Speaker 3>tailed off in the second half and Tucker was bad

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<v Speaker 3>all year until he was good at the very end,

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<v Speaker 3>there is no true star hitter in that lineup anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think, except for Shohei Otani. And if he's

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<v Speaker 3>not hitting at that star level, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bunch of really good hitters and not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of, no great hitters. Whereas in the playoffs, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>always going to look to the team that has the

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<v Speaker 3>one or two guys who are truly feared. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>always been, I think Milwaukee's biggest problem is like, you know, the, the,

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<v Speaker 3>the Pat Murphy jokes about the average Joe's. It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have a bunch of seven 80 OPS hitters,

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<v Speaker 3>that's great over the course of one 62, how does

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<v Speaker 3>that scale up in the playoffs? And we've all watched

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<v Speaker 3>Milwaukee most notably, in the NLCS last year, go very

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<v Speaker 3>cold and score four runs in an entire four game series.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to over index on that, but this

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<v Speaker 3>has been just a Milwaukee stretch here where their offense

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<v Speaker 3>has consistently underperformed regular season numbers in the playoffs. Sean's

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<v Speaker 3>going to come tell you why that doesn't matter. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested to hear his case, but I can't buy

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<v Speaker 3>the Brewers at price because of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the biggest difference with the Brewers this year

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<v Speaker 4>versus last year is the walk rate. They led baseball

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<v Speaker 4>and walk rate this season. I think they took advantage of,

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<v Speaker 4>of the challenge system to a degree. And I do

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<v Speaker 4>get more fair umpiring in the playoffs, better umpiring in general.

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<v Speaker 4>I've found that umpiring doesn't really have an impact in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of, you know, positively or negatively impacting teams. I

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<v Speaker 4>think over the course of a five game series, seven

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<v Speaker 4>game series, that should even out, especially with better umpires

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<v Speaker 4>being in play, especially with the challenge system, sort of

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<v Speaker 4>factoring in challenging for that reason, also not as big

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<v Speaker 4>of an impact, but I just do think that this

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<v Speaker 4>Brewers lineup for, the past seven years or so that

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen them in playoffs, they rated as a below

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<v Speaker 4>average offense. This year, they come in as an above

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<v Speaker 4>average offense. So that is a bigger difference. They also

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<v Speaker 4>have arguably the best top two among starting pitchers. I

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<v Speaker 4>think I would take Mizorowski and Henderson over Skubal and Snell.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very close. It's very, very, very close. But the

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<v Speaker 4>point is that the Brewers, when they got to that

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<v Speaker 4>NLCS last year, did not have the starting pitching quality

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<v Speaker 4>to match up with the Dodgers whatsoever. They were using

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<v Speaker 4>an opener ahead of Mizorowski and then using Mizorowski for

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<v Speaker 4>four innings. They were using Aaron Ashby wherever they could.

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<v Speaker 4>They had to use Quinn Priester. I believe Jose Quintana

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<v Speaker 4>pitched one of those games as well. Now I did

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<v Speaker 4>bet the Brewers around six to one to win the

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<v Speaker 4>NL halfway through the year. But I bet them when

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<v Speaker 4>Kyle Harrison was still pitching well and when Brandon Woodruff

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<v Speaker 4>was not yet re-injured, which we all probably should have

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<v Speaker 4>seen coming. But at the time I said, I'm making

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<v Speaker 4>this bet. It's not a big bet because I want

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<v Speaker 4>at least three of Mizorowski, Henderson, Harrison, and Woodruff healthy

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<v Speaker 4>for the playoffs. They only have two of them healthy

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<v Speaker 4>for the playoffs at this point. And in a potential

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<v Speaker 4>seven game series against the Daughters, I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 4>they have the bullpen depth to be able to get

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<v Speaker 4>through it without getting hit somewhere. So I think they

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<v Speaker 4>can push the dot. If that is the NLCS, if

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<v Speaker 4>the top two seeds advance, I think they can push

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<v Speaker 4>the Dodgers much harder than they pushed them last year.

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<v Speaker 4>Still just not sure they have the rotation depth to

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<v Speaker 4>overcome LA in games three and four when Mizorowski and

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<v Speaker 4>Henderson are not pitching. So like I said, it's much

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<v Speaker 4>closer than it was last year. I might even prefer

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<v Speaker 4>the top two if I'm getting Mizorowski because Skubal has

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<v Speaker 4>been a little bit shaky at times this year, even

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<v Speaker 4>though he was better down the stretch, but Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>think the Brewers are correctly priced. I think they're fairly priced.

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<v Speaker 4>I would not bet into them at this point on

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<v Speaker 4>a game-to-game perspective. Certainly may reconsider, but I think there's

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<v Speaker 4>other teams who offer more value in the American League

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<v Speaker 4>that I'd rather target rather than trying to go against

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<v Speaker 4>the Dodgers and the NL.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about offensive quality of these two teams, just looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the top offensive options by OPS Plus, essentially. An

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<v Speaker 2>exact science, obviously, but you talk about the Brewers' offensive

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<v Speaker 2>quality being better this year. Bowers 140, Churio 129, Terang

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<v Speaker 2>124 compared to the Dodgers top guys this year. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of underperforming by their historical standards. I mean, Otani's 143,

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<v Speaker 2>Muncy 128, Pah has 122, then Freeman 118. It's comparable

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<v Speaker 2>just in terms of 2026 quality at least. One X

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<v Speaker 2>factor for the Dodgers I'm really curious about is if

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<v Speaker 2>they add Josue DePaula to their postseason roster. That dude

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<v Speaker 2>is 21 years old. I don't know if casual baseball

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<v Speaker 2>viewers are as familiar with him. He has a lot of...

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's irresponsible to just straight up compare any

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<v Speaker 2>young hitter to Juan Soto. He takes some very Soto-ian

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<v Speaker 2>plate appearances in his little cup of coffee there down

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<v Speaker 2>the stretch. Some big pinch hit opportunities for him. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they're going to put him on their playoff roster.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very excited about that potential, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I like the way the bracket on Marbury as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So good, good genes, good athletic genes.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you say?

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<v Speaker 4>He's cousins with Stefan Marbury.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I had no idea. Go ahead to bundle. What

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<v Speaker 2>were you saying?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the bracket broke pretty well for the Dodgers too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I'm not really high on Atlanta or Philly coming

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<v Speaker 3>into these playoffs. I know it hurts me to say that,

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<v Speaker 3>but both offenses have been just an absolute, shell themselves

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<v Speaker 3>for multiple months. Now, if you go just last two,

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<v Speaker 3>three month data and you kind of throw out the

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<v Speaker 3>very hot April that the Braves offense had and the

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<v Speaker 3>very good June that the Philly offense had, you're left

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<v Speaker 3>with two teams that are in the bottom 10 across

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<v Speaker 3>all the baseball and WRC plus in the second half

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<v Speaker 3>of the season. And to me, that just feels like a,

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<v Speaker 3>a group that gets pretty quickly silenced by the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that you're going to face in five-game series against the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoever survives that gauntlet, whoever burns their bullpen in what

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<v Speaker 3>I think is going to be a three-game series this week,

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<v Speaker 3>you end up with limping in to face Yamamoto, Glasnow, Snell, Scooble,

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<v Speaker 3>and then whoever they pick for game five, if you

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<v Speaker 3>even get there. It's like you're running into a wall

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<v Speaker 3>of pitching in that round. And I think compared to

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago's offense and San Diego's offense, which has rejuvenated Tatis now,

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<v Speaker 3>you just have a lot more opportunity to, to pull

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<v Speaker 3>an upset over Milwaukee than I think the Braves or

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers, the Phillies do against the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Game one, uh, J.R. Ritchie or Aaron Nola against Yoshinobi Yamamoto, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on who comes out of that series, uh, be

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting. Uh, we'll, we'll get into the wildcard series

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more. We talked to the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the NL bracket with the Brewers and Dodgers. Let's jump

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<v Speaker 2>over to the American league where the Rays, uh, have

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<v Speaker 2>the one seed there uh al east champions plus 260

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<v Speaker 2>to win the al pennant at draft kings yankees are

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<v Speaker 2>plus 320 right behind them and then the two seed

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<v Speaker 2>the al central champions as much as i hate to

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<v Speaker 2>say at the cleveland guardians plus 360 much different top

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<v Speaker 2>of the al bracket than top of the NL bracket.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not making any headlines to say the NL is

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<v Speaker 2>the superior league this year. Much more superior teams. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I thought the Pirates would have won the AL

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<v Speaker 2>West this year. Finished, I think, third or fourth in

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<v Speaker 2>the NL Central this year. But Sean, I was... opening

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<v Speaker 2>the award-winning Action app right before we started recording, and

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<v Speaker 2>you were recording some futures, some AL and NL pennant futures,

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<v Speaker 2>and caught my eye, team, I saw you log that

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<v Speaker 2>you're showing value on in the American League.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we'll slice this one up a couple different ways.

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<v Speaker 4>The team that I like most personally who also popped

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<v Speaker 4>as the best AL team in the playoff fit model

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<v Speaker 4>that I alluded to earlier was the Cleveland Guardians. I

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<v Speaker 4>do not see a huge difference between the Guardians and

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<v Speaker 4>the Rays. In fact, the Guardians hit the ball harder.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look by second half offense, Guardians getting a

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<v Speaker 4>102 WRC plus out of Patrick Bailey, 102 out of

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<v Speaker 4>Joe Adele. So I think the Guardians have molded some

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<v Speaker 4>of these guys they brought in into their system, but

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<v Speaker 4>also Travis Pazana getting a bit of a September breakout.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to Anthony the other day. I believe I

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<v Speaker 4>talked about this, you know, during the WBC as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Travis Pizzano just has big game energy. Like, I look

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<v Speaker 4>at Travis Pizzano, I watch this dude play, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a guy who was born to have big

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<v Speaker 4>moments in the playoffs and get a crowd fired up

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<v Speaker 4>with a big home run in a big spot. He

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<v Speaker 4>just screams that kind of aura. And I really like

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<v Speaker 4>what this Guardians team has going on offensively compared to

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<v Speaker 4>what they brought into the playoffs in prior seasons. This

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<v Speaker 4>was the worst offense in the playoffs, arguably. coming into

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<v Speaker 4>last year, maybe even the year before, they typically cannot

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<v Speaker 4>hit left-handed pitching. Now they finally seem like they have

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<v Speaker 4>the platoon guys to be able to turn things around

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<v Speaker 4>against either-handedness of pitcher. And just having De Lauder being

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<v Speaker 4>an above-average hitter, getting Jose Ramirez, who missed a big

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<v Speaker 4>part of the season, getting him in the middle of

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<v Speaker 4>the lineup for the playoffs, having guys you can flip around,

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<v Speaker 4>like I said, in platoon, Anhal Martinez, Anhal Hanau, they

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<v Speaker 4>have on the bench as well. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>high-prospect pedigree guys. two that are on their bench. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's a really talented team. I know I said bullpen

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<v Speaker 4>quality doesn't give you anything beyond what's already factored into

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<v Speaker 4>the line, but it is one of the best bullpens

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<v Speaker 4>in the playoffs as well. Probably the best closer in

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<v Speaker 4>the American league and a guy who they're not afraid

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<v Speaker 4>to use for multiple innings. And Cade Smith happy to

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<v Speaker 4>get six outs with him when they have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to do so. And then lastly, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>a team that was starting Tanner by being game one.

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<v Speaker 4>Gavin Williams and Parker Messick are substantial upgrades relative to

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<v Speaker 4>the rotation that they've brought in in prior seasons. So

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<v Speaker 4>they're getting length from the top of the rotation. They're

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<v Speaker 4>getting high quality starts from both Gavin Williams and Parker Messick.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Messick should finish second in AL rookie. He's

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<v Speaker 4>probably going to finish third, though, in AL Cy Young.

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<v Speaker 4>So that feels a little bit unjust that a guy

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<v Speaker 4>may finish that highly at Cy Young and still not

0:22:50.270 --> 0:22:53.230
<v Speaker 4>win AL rookie of the year. But I'm extremely high

0:22:53.270 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 4>on Parker Messick. I love the breakout that I saw

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.340
<v Speaker 4>from Gavin Williams in the second half. And this is

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 4>a team also who struck out much more often last

0:23:01.740 --> 0:23:04.020
<v Speaker 4>season than they did this season. So their strikeout rate

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 4>got cut, their offensive quality improved in general. They have

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.420
<v Speaker 4>a great bullpen. They have improved starting pitching. I don't

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.159
<v Speaker 4>really see much of a difference between the Guardians and

0:23:13.180 --> 0:23:14.970
<v Speaker 4>the Rays. And if they end up playing a seven-game

0:23:15.050 --> 0:23:17.570
<v Speaker 4>ALCS against one another, or if the Guardians end up

0:23:17.590 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 4>playing the Rays or the Yankees or the Red Sox

0:23:20.260 --> 0:23:22.380
<v Speaker 4>or the Yankees, I think they're going to be extremely

0:23:22.420 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 4>competitive in that series. So I make them about plus

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.120
<v Speaker 4>300 to win the American League. The Gamson model says

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.210
<v Speaker 4>that their odds are about right, but the playoff fit

0:23:32.250 --> 0:23:35.949
<v Speaker 4>model and the composite model, this is the, aside from

0:23:35.990 --> 0:23:38.429
<v Speaker 4>my projections of the two models that I ran in

0:23:38.470 --> 0:23:41.110
<v Speaker 4>terms of the public projection models, this is the team

0:23:41.130 --> 0:23:44.070
<v Speaker 4>that those are on highest. So Guardians popping up as

0:23:44.109 --> 0:23:48.379
<v Speaker 4>a value across multiple teams. publicly available models in addition

0:23:48.420 --> 0:23:50.859
<v Speaker 4>to my playoff fit model. I'd take them down to

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.820
<v Speaker 4>about three to one in the AL. There's two other

0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 4>teams that I like, including a team they may have

0:23:54.460 --> 0:23:59.550
<v Speaker 4>to face in the LDS. But in terms of my

0:24:00.130 --> 0:24:02.050
<v Speaker 4>preferred pick and the team who I'm going to pick,

0:24:02.090 --> 0:24:03.750
<v Speaker 4>it is Cleveland.

0:24:03.790 --> 0:24:06.500
<v Speaker 3>Colin just glanced up when you said, team they might

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:07.640
<v Speaker 3>play in the LDS.

0:24:07.660 --> 0:24:08.780
<v Speaker 1>Then he started shaking his head.

0:24:08.859 --> 0:24:11.850
<v Speaker 3>No. So maybe Colin's not too confident in his socks,

0:24:11.930 --> 0:24:13.669
<v Speaker 3>but you know, nice work. If you can get it,

0:24:13.790 --> 0:24:16.090
<v Speaker 3>you know, you finish as the 10th of the 12 teams,

0:24:16.869 --> 0:24:18.850
<v Speaker 3>you get a buy, and then you get to play

0:24:18.869 --> 0:24:21.250
<v Speaker 3>the winner of the series between the 11th and the

0:24:21.290 --> 0:24:24.610
<v Speaker 3>12th best playoff teams. That's pretty fun for Cleveland. So

0:24:24.630 --> 0:24:27.409
<v Speaker 3>congrats to them. But you know, my question is like,

0:24:27.470 --> 0:24:31.620
<v Speaker 3>is Jose Ramirez healthy? He's playing, he's in the games.

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.620
<v Speaker 3>since coming back from the handmaid injury, 302 OBP, 610 OPS,

0:24:36.700 --> 0:24:37.660
<v Speaker 3>no power whatsoever.

0:24:38.700 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>And Zerillo's point is right.

0:24:41.660 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 3>They've been one of the better offenses despite being weighed down.

0:24:46.109 --> 0:24:46.750
<v Speaker 1>By Jose Ramirez.

0:24:46.830 --> 0:24:48.490
<v Speaker 3>Usually we come into the playoffs and we're like, well,

0:24:48.510 --> 0:24:50.149
<v Speaker 3>can anybody else besides Jose Ramirez get a hit?

0:24:50.170 --> 0:24:52.270
<v Speaker 2>It's Jose Ramirez and a bunch of scrubs, yeah.

0:24:52.290 --> 0:24:57.750
<v Speaker 3>Right, and now he's the scrub, relatively speaking. So that's

0:24:57.790 --> 0:25:00.180
<v Speaker 3>the case. It's like this Cleveland offense is actually good,

0:25:00.380 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 3>capital G good, if he figures it out, but I

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 3>just don't really have any confidence in that right now.

0:25:06.140 --> 0:25:08.590
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, 39 WRC plus in September for Jose. It's definitely

0:25:08.609 --> 0:25:11.850
<v Speaker 4>been a struggle. You know, that's one other point I

0:25:11.869 --> 0:25:13.889
<v Speaker 4>want to make, right? In terms of like backtesting stuff,

0:25:14.990 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 4>it's not recent offense or it's not like rolling splits

0:25:19.580 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 4>of offense or it's not having hot September. The main

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 4>data point for offense is season long offense and offensive qualities.

0:25:25.900 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 4>So it does believe that even in small samples, guys

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.180
<v Speaker 4>can get back to the talent level that's in there.

0:25:31.609 --> 0:25:34.350
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's really hard to get Freddie Freeman winning

0:25:34.430 --> 0:25:37.490
<v Speaker 4>World Series MVP on one leg out of your mind.

0:25:37.550 --> 0:25:39.630
<v Speaker 4>But it's like these guys who are good hitters can

0:25:39.670 --> 0:25:42.570
<v Speaker 4>figure it out in big spots. Even Bo Bichette playing

0:25:42.609 --> 0:25:44.990
<v Speaker 4>injured in the World Series last year, like still poking

0:25:45.550 --> 0:25:48.410
<v Speaker 4>hits to the opposite field, still ripping big extra base

0:25:48.430 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 4>hits on occasion.

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.340
<v Speaker 1>So I do think he hit the home run that

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:52.700
<v Speaker 1>should have won them the World Series.

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Really?

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.180
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Still sad.

0:25:56.980 --> 0:25:59.139
<v Speaker 4>You know, I just think when the talent is there,

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.330
<v Speaker 4>guys can figure it out. And taking smaller samples like

0:26:03.369 --> 0:26:06.390
<v Speaker 4>a bad September for Jose Ramirez or even knowing he's

0:26:06.430 --> 0:26:10.030
<v Speaker 4>injured is not necessarily indicative that he can't get back

0:26:10.090 --> 0:26:13.490
<v Speaker 4>to it in the playoffs. But completely fair points concerning

0:26:13.570 --> 0:26:17.730
<v Speaker 4>Otani and Ramirez against the bets that I made specifically.

0:26:17.790 --> 0:26:19.570
<v Speaker 4>Those are the main concerns. But if those are the

0:26:19.590 --> 0:26:21.170
<v Speaker 4>main concerns, I think you're in a pretty good spot

0:26:21.190 --> 0:26:23.620
<v Speaker 4>because it means the rosters around them are in very

0:26:23.630 --> 0:26:23.990
<v Speaker 4>good shape.

0:26:24.730 --> 0:26:25.490
<v Speaker 2>I would say the biggest.

0:26:25.650 --> 0:26:28.369
<v Speaker 3>I do think Cleveland should be a heavy favorite over

0:26:28.410 --> 0:26:31.770
<v Speaker 3>whoever comes out of this DS series because of Messick

0:26:32.050 --> 0:26:34.290
<v Speaker 3>and Williams. They're going to start four of the five

0:26:34.350 --> 0:26:36.630
<v Speaker 3>games because the AL gets the extra day this year

0:26:36.670 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 3>between game one and two. And the gulf in quality

0:26:40.900 --> 0:26:43.920
<v Speaker 3>of starting pitching after Houston has to burn a couple

0:26:43.940 --> 0:26:46.659
<v Speaker 3>of guys here in the first series is pretty big,

0:26:47.260 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 3>I think, in games one and four for the Guardians,

0:26:50.580 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 3>whoever comes. And then, of course, against the White Sox. Sorry, Colin,

0:26:54.140 --> 0:26:56.970
<v Speaker 3>but like they're going to be at a huge advantage

0:26:58.130 --> 0:26:59.910
<v Speaker 3>with whoever survives this. And I don't think either team

0:27:00.970 --> 0:27:04.100
<v Speaker 3>coming out Houston and Chicago has the bullpen depth that

0:27:04.140 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 3>you would need to overcome that. And I know, again,

0:27:06.660 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 3>we just said bullpens are overrated in terms of their

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.540
<v Speaker 3>impact on the series, but certainly you need some kind

0:27:12.580 --> 0:27:14.110
<v Speaker 3>of depth if you're not going to have any starters.

0:27:15.090 --> 0:27:19.210
<v Speaker 2>So I'd say the biggest difference for me with Cleveland offensively,

0:27:19.330 --> 0:27:21.230
<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean, this is just a kind of

0:27:21.270 --> 0:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>a roundabout way of saying what, what Sean was saying

0:27:23.980 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 2>about this quality is that they can, they have depth

0:27:28.500 --> 0:27:30.340
<v Speaker 2>to be able to mix and match and play platoon

0:27:30.380 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>advantages a lot better than they had in the past.

0:27:33.660 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Like they acquired Joe Adele at the trade deadline and

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.350
<v Speaker 2>previous versions of the guardians would be so bereft of

0:27:40.830 --> 0:27:42.869
<v Speaker 2>talent that they would just be playing Joe Adele every day.

0:27:42.950 --> 0:27:47.030
<v Speaker 2>Now they have a little bit more flexibility where they

0:27:47.050 --> 0:27:49.410
<v Speaker 2>can say, okay, we're going to play Adele against lefties.

0:27:49.450 --> 0:27:52.210
<v Speaker 2>We're going to sit them against righties. You know, you

0:27:52.270 --> 0:27:57.370
<v Speaker 2>see them, you know, start Nathaniel Lowe, they pull him

0:27:57.730 --> 0:28:00.490
<v Speaker 2>and put him in depending on the splits advantage. And

0:28:00.510 --> 0:28:03.610
<v Speaker 2>you talk about Bazana breakout. I feel the exact same

0:28:03.650 --> 0:28:07.150
<v Speaker 2>way that you do, Sean, about Bazana, about Angel Martinez.

0:28:07.510 --> 0:28:10.190
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy kind of under the radar broke

0:28:10.250 --> 0:28:12.990
<v Speaker 2>out this year and he has that kind of big

0:28:13.050 --> 0:28:16.690
<v Speaker 2>game aura to him a little bit as well. So yeah,

0:28:16.780 --> 0:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it is really funny that we're sitting here talking about

0:28:18.660 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the Guardians offense being a strength this year when their

0:28:21.420 --> 0:28:26.290
<v Speaker 2>best player, their Future Hall of Famer Jose Ramirez is having,

0:28:26.490 --> 0:28:28.770
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the worst seasons of his career.

0:28:29.609 --> 0:28:33.230
<v Speaker 2>We've barely even mentioned Chase DeLauder, who's, you know, talk

0:28:33.250 --> 0:28:35.950
<v Speaker 2>about Rookie of the Year candidates who aren't going to

0:28:35.990 --> 0:28:38.890
<v Speaker 2>get the credit because of Kevin McGonigal that they deserve.

0:28:38.910 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>But DeLauder's been great there. Kwon rebounded from a really

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:47.140
<v Speaker 2>bad start to the season. Brian Rocchio has like six

0:28:47.220 --> 0:28:50.940
<v Speaker 2>walk-off hits this year for something crazy like that for

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the Guardians. And then, yeah, Messick and Williams up top.

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>It's hard not to find value in.

0:28:59.060 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Just from a pure odds value standpoint, it makes sense

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that one of the Guardians, Astros, or White Sox are

0:29:06.380 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>going to be a bettable team. Because there's that side

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.010
<v Speaker 2>of the bracket, and then there's the ALE side of

0:29:13.030 --> 0:29:15.490
<v Speaker 2>the bracket. And those teams are going to cannibalize each other.

0:29:15.510 --> 0:29:19.330
<v Speaker 2>And then... one of the Guardians, Astros, or White Sox

0:29:19.350 --> 0:29:22.530
<v Speaker 2>are going to emerge and play just one AL East team.

0:29:22.630 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>So if there's going to be value somewhere, it's going

0:29:25.860 --> 0:29:27.300
<v Speaker 2>to be one of those three teams. It makes sense

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.940
<v Speaker 2>that it's the Guardians. I don't think it's the White Sox,

0:29:29.980 --> 0:29:32.460
<v Speaker 2>but I also don't think it's the Astros. But Sean,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.170
<v Speaker 2>you alluded to seeing value in one of those teams.

0:29:36.950 --> 0:29:39.730
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the White Sox. Tell me if

0:29:39.770 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm right. or wrong.

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.060
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think it's the White Sox either. I

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 4>do think it's the Astros. The Astros in terms of

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:50.060
<v Speaker 4>offensive quality, I believe rank in terms of the guys

0:29:50.100 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 4>I actually project to start for them. Might rank best

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 4>in the AL if Judge is not in for the Yankees.

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 4>I know it's a little bit surprising because it does

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:00.460
<v Speaker 4>seem like it was Jordan Alvarez and a bunch of

0:30:00.500 --> 0:30:02.300
<v Speaker 4>scrubs for a large part of the year. Also lost

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Carlos Correa to injury. But overall, their offense projects really well.

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.030
<v Speaker 4>Their bullpen has some decent arms. The starting pitching, especially

0:30:13.070 --> 0:30:16.070
<v Speaker 4>behind Hunter Brown, is not up to par. Again, as

0:30:16.150 --> 0:30:19.550
<v Speaker 4>Anthony alluded to, in a five-game series where The Guardians

0:30:19.570 --> 0:30:22.860
<v Speaker 4>get to throw Messick and Williams probably four times in

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.380
<v Speaker 4>that five-game series. I don't know if the Astros can

0:30:25.420 --> 0:30:28.660
<v Speaker 4>overcome that. I do show value in terms of my

0:30:28.740 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 4>game sim projection for the Astros to make a run

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 4>in the American League. I also show value on Boston,

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.630
<v Speaker 4>who we can touch on as well. I think the

0:30:37.650 --> 0:30:41.350
<v Speaker 4>better approach for those teams is to bet their series

0:30:41.450 --> 0:30:45.190
<v Speaker 4>money lines for the wildcard round and then potentially roll

0:30:45.230 --> 0:30:50.220
<v Speaker 4>them over if you want to. subsequent rounds. So no

0:30:50.500 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 4>futures bet for me for the Astros right now. Also,

0:30:54.820 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 4>as we have alluded to, but not fully discussed, the

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 4>starting pitching is completely up in the air for both

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 4>the Astros and the White Sox, especially for game one.

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.850
<v Speaker 4>There's a chance we may be getting something like Ethan

0:31:07.900 --> 0:31:11.370
<v Speaker 4>Pecco against Eric Fede. I don't know if that'll actually

0:31:11.410 --> 0:31:13.290
<v Speaker 4>be the case. I'm not sure who is starting.

0:31:15.290 --> 0:31:17.550
<v Speaker 1>They should put that on like The Disney Channel or

0:31:17.570 --> 0:31:18.250
<v Speaker 1>the Cartoon Network.

0:31:18.290 --> 0:31:20.790
<v Speaker 4>That is the shakiest pizza baseball game.

0:31:20.990 --> 0:31:21.750
<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go.

0:31:21.790 --> 0:31:26.430
<v Speaker 4>Baseball game, certainly. So listen, I don't know what we're

0:31:26.470 --> 0:31:28.300
<v Speaker 4>getting game one from these teams. I don't know who's

0:31:28.340 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 4>starting game one for the Red Sox against Schlittler. All

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 4>of that kind of determines my path of, do I

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 4>want to bet a future now? Do I want to

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.260
<v Speaker 4>bet a series money line? Or do I want to

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 4>just bet the game one money line and take it

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 4>game by game? So that's why I don't have more

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.580
<v Speaker 4>definitive futures takes specifically on these teams yet, because the

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 4>game one starter does influence a lot of my betting

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.340
<v Speaker 4>approach in terms of like the path, whether I'm going

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.290
<v Speaker 4>to try to wait for a better price. If the

0:31:53.330 --> 0:31:56.550
<v Speaker 4>Phillies were starting Hazel Cesardo and I knew he could pitch,

0:31:56.970 --> 0:31:58.810
<v Speaker 4>you know, a decent chunk of the game in game

0:31:58.910 --> 0:32:01.830
<v Speaker 4>one against Chris Sale, I would be betting the Phillies

0:32:01.870 --> 0:32:04.100
<v Speaker 4>in game one and I might be considering their series price.

0:32:04.710 --> 0:32:07.010
<v Speaker 4>knowing that they're probably going to have to mix and

0:32:07.050 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 4>match guys against sailing game one and they're minus 200

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 4>or minus plus 170 underdogs or whatever they are. And

0:32:14.620 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 4>their series price is plus 110. If I'm betting that series,

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:19.300
<v Speaker 4>I want the game one price or I'm going to

0:32:19.340 --> 0:32:21.870
<v Speaker 4>wait until after game one and then try to play

0:32:21.910 --> 0:32:24.370
<v Speaker 4>the Phillies to win games two and three on the

0:32:24.410 --> 0:32:27.330
<v Speaker 4>series line. So just kind of saying, and we'll have

0:32:27.370 --> 0:32:30.390
<v Speaker 4>another pod discussing these matchups more in depth later after

0:32:30.450 --> 0:32:33.710
<v Speaker 4>all the teams do their media availability today. These starting

0:32:33.730 --> 0:32:37.410
<v Speaker 4>pitcher announcements do actually impact my decisions from a futures

0:32:37.450 --> 0:32:39.750
<v Speaker 4>perspective because it may not be the best bet to

0:32:39.830 --> 0:32:42.250
<v Speaker 4>place today. It may be better to wait a day

0:32:42.290 --> 0:32:44.729
<v Speaker 4>or at least wait a game before firing on some

0:32:44.770 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 4>of these. But yeah, Colin, it has to be one

0:32:48.130 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 4>of the teams from Guardians, White Sox, and Astros. It

0:32:53.020 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 4>has to be one of those three teams that you

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.580
<v Speaker 4>point to as value, letting the ALDs teams cannibalize each other.

0:32:58.140 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>What did you call that side of the bracket before

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:00.980
<v Speaker 2>we started recording?

0:33:01.820 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's the shakiest pizza side of the bracket. That's a,

0:33:04.940 --> 0:33:09.150
<v Speaker 4>that's a Bill Simmons Ian term for the NFL wildcard

0:33:09.550 --> 0:33:10.270
<v Speaker 4>weekend games.

0:33:10.370 --> 0:33:12.350
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the NFC South invitational.

0:33:12.830 --> 0:33:15.750
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. It's very apt here for the three teams we have.

0:33:16.390 --> 0:33:17.270
<v Speaker 1>I do have a bet though.

0:33:17.310 --> 0:33:20.310
<v Speaker 3>I love which, which, uh, the first bet I will

0:33:20.330 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 3>place future that I placed in the, in the playoffs,

0:33:25.100 --> 0:33:27.500
<v Speaker 3>not counting game one unders, which we'll get to, I

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.150
<v Speaker 3>guess at some point here is, uh, Guardians to make

0:33:31.300 --> 0:33:32.540
<v Speaker 3>the LCS minus 130.

0:33:32.540 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm into that.

0:33:36.380 --> 0:33:37.210
<v Speaker 1>And I know Sean made the.

0:33:37.220 --> 0:33:38.940
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to feel like I'm just disagreeing with

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Sean a bunch because I actually don't disagree.

0:33:40.220 --> 0:33:41.540
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate.

0:33:41.980 --> 0:33:46.330
<v Speaker 3>But it is worth saying that Houston at 81 and

0:33:46.330 --> 0:33:48.810
<v Speaker 3>81 with the run differential, the second worst run differential

0:33:48.830 --> 0:33:51.630
<v Speaker 3>in the history of Major League Baseball to make the postseason.

0:33:52.550 --> 0:33:54.790
<v Speaker 3>And the only team that was even close was the

0:33:54.870 --> 0:33:58.210
<v Speaker 3>Miami Marlins in 2023 who got quickly slept out. Again,

0:33:58.230 --> 0:34:00.430
<v Speaker 3>they're playing the White Sox. They're rightfully favored in the series,

0:34:00.470 --> 0:34:02.950
<v Speaker 3>of course. But I do think there is a significant

0:34:02.990 --> 0:34:07.580
<v Speaker 3>step up for me from Houston to Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you throw in Hunter Brown, I mean, if he's

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.460
<v Speaker 1>not starting, then what?

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:18.569
<v Speaker 2>You know, Brown will likely start game two of the

0:34:18.710 --> 0:34:22.069
<v Speaker 2>wildcard round, which would put that takes him out to

0:34:22.090 --> 0:34:25.330
<v Speaker 2>a game like three of the ALDS. Yeah, yeah.

0:34:26.890 --> 0:34:28.370
<v Speaker 1>I think he could throw game two on regular. So

0:34:28.930 --> 0:34:29.810
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>The same thing. I mean, he's not as good a

0:34:31.140 --> 0:34:33.399
<v Speaker 2>quality as Hunter Brown, obviously, but it's the exact same

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>situation with the White Sox. Sean Burke is their game

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.779
<v Speaker 2>two starter in the wildcard round. So he wouldn't be

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.020
<v Speaker 2>available till game, you know, three of the LDS should

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>they advance as well.

0:34:43.340 --> 0:34:45.810
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, everything's setting up as well. Houston, just a

0:34:45.870 --> 0:34:48.230
<v Speaker 4>very bad defensive team. Like it's, it's just all offense.

0:34:48.290 --> 0:34:50.150
<v Speaker 4>If their offense isn't hitting, they're going to get swept.

0:34:50.890 --> 0:34:53.870
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Let's say you were done. It was 30% better

0:34:53.890 --> 0:34:56.380
<v Speaker 3>than every other hitter in baseball this year. I don't

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:57.720
<v Speaker 3>think that's going to be the case in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's jump into real quick. I do want to touch base.

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.020
<v Speaker 2>I want to give a little bit of time to

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the team that everyone forgets about, I feel like, every year.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.219
<v Speaker 2>The best team in the American League this year. I

0:35:10.580 --> 0:35:13.859
<v Speaker 2>want to get your guys' take on. We'll jump into

0:35:13.900 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 2>these four series real quick, but let's touch on the

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:21.460
<v Speaker 2>Rays a little bit. The AL pennant favorites, plus 260

0:35:21.460 --> 0:35:26.350
<v Speaker 2>again at DraftKings. Their pitching sets up pretty well here,

0:35:26.969 --> 0:35:29.870
<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that they will be without Shane McClanahan,

0:35:29.930 --> 0:35:34.530
<v Speaker 2>I think, until the CS at the earliest, I believe

0:35:34.570 --> 0:35:36.230
<v Speaker 2>is what I've heard. I don't think he's going to

0:35:36.250 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>be available for the DS, but Drew Rasmussen up top.

0:35:40.020 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>We're going to get some combination of Freddy Peralta, Ian Seymour,

0:35:43.940 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Nick Martinez, Griffin Jacks behind him. They've got a lot

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 2>of depth. It's a lot, you know, not a lot

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.290
<v Speaker 2>of high, not a lot of high, high top end

0:35:52.370 --> 0:35:55.029
<v Speaker 2>arms there, but a lot of good arms there. You

0:35:55.050 --> 0:35:57.509
<v Speaker 2>talked about Cade Smith being maybe the best reliever in

0:35:57.530 --> 0:36:00.350
<v Speaker 2>the American League. Brian Baker's been right there alongside him

0:36:00.969 --> 0:36:03.609
<v Speaker 2>this year. And then a lot of just a lot

0:36:03.650 --> 0:36:06.890
<v Speaker 2>of cobbled together parts in that lineup behind Junior Caminero.

0:36:06.910 --> 0:36:09.930
<v Speaker 2>They are very much, you know, I feel like from

0:36:10.010 --> 0:36:13.819
<v Speaker 2>like a vibe standpoint, from an aesthetic standpoint, they're very

0:36:13.860 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 2>much the brewers of the American League. But they held

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>off the gauntlet of the AL East. They're the top seed.

0:36:20.969 --> 0:36:23.660
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. Sean, I'll go to you first. Any

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.299
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on the raise chances? I don't think I've seen

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.420
<v Speaker 2>you log a bet on the raise yet, but any

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on them? Is it just kind of a matter

0:36:31.460 --> 0:36:34.540
<v Speaker 2>of not wanting to bet anyone on the ALE side

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 2>of the bracket or any other thoughts there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you guys know I'm always very, very pro-raise. I'm

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:44.470
<v Speaker 4>usually the person shouting that the raise are better than

0:36:44.590 --> 0:36:47.049
<v Speaker 4>the market thinks that they are. I've gave them out

0:36:47.350 --> 0:36:49.589
<v Speaker 4>as the AL East pick at the start of the year,

0:36:50.310 --> 0:36:52.299
<v Speaker 4>gave out Kevin Cash to win manager of the year,

0:36:52.340 --> 0:36:55.319
<v Speaker 4>which is going to lose in heartbreaking fashion, probably to

0:36:55.340 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 4>Will Venable. I did caveat that when I bet that,

0:36:57.660 --> 0:36:59.140
<v Speaker 4>that the only way it would lose is if the

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.919
<v Speaker 4>White Sox or Athletics made the playoffs. And sure enough,

0:37:01.940 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 4>the White Sox set it up making the playoffs. But

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.149
<v Speaker 4>the point of the raise is number one, two points

0:37:08.170 --> 0:37:11.210
<v Speaker 4>for the raise. Number one, this is the inverse, essentially

0:37:11.410 --> 0:37:13.469
<v Speaker 4>every other team they've sent to October. Normally you have

0:37:13.489 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 4>the high end starting pitching quality. with a bad lineup.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 4>This is an average lineup with a questionable second starter

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.700
<v Speaker 4>and a good bullpen. Rasmussen, obviously terrific. What they do

0:37:26.739 --> 0:37:30.070
<v Speaker 4>behind him is a little bit of a mystery because

0:37:30.750 --> 0:37:34.450
<v Speaker 4>Griffin Jacks would be the best projected guy, but Freddy

0:37:34.489 --> 0:37:37.110
<v Speaker 4>Peralta was a little bit better down the stretch. Seymour

0:37:37.130 --> 0:37:40.060
<v Speaker 4>pitched pretty well when he was given opportunities that they're

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:41.790
<v Speaker 4>just going to mix and match in the bullpen behind it.

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 4>But If you ran back the AL East today, if

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 4>the AL East restarted their season today, you're still favoring

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.069
<v Speaker 4>the Yankees or Red Sox to win more games than

0:37:51.090 --> 0:37:55.009
<v Speaker 4>the Rays over 162 games. And then when you consolidate

0:37:55.070 --> 0:37:58.049
<v Speaker 4>rosters down for the playoffs, maybe the Rays are better

0:37:58.070 --> 0:37:59.810
<v Speaker 4>than the Red Sox, but I would still pick the

0:37:59.850 --> 0:38:02.589
<v Speaker 4>Yankees over the Rays. I just think the other two

0:38:02.630 --> 0:38:04.910
<v Speaker 4>teams that they're going to potentially face are both better

0:38:04.950 --> 0:38:07.620
<v Speaker 4>than them. And even if you give the Rays home

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 4>field advantage, it is very difficult to get either of

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:14.450
<v Speaker 4>those series to much better than a coin flip for them.

0:38:15.150 --> 0:38:19.810
<v Speaker 4>So this is a team that ranks 28th in expected Woba,

0:38:20.570 --> 0:38:24.589
<v Speaker 4>26th in isolated power, 22nd in home run rate. They

0:38:24.610 --> 0:38:28.450
<v Speaker 4>are among the worst power teams in the playoffs. They

0:38:28.469 --> 0:38:32.259
<v Speaker 4>make good contact, lowest strikeout rate in baseball. They steal bases.

0:38:32.940 --> 0:38:36.460
<v Speaker 4>But if they're not able to manufacture runs via steals,

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.340
<v Speaker 4>I think they're going to struggle to score runs. And

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 4>I think their offensive quality is a little bit overrated.

0:38:42.340 --> 0:38:45.300
<v Speaker 4>And as I said before, I think bullpens get a

0:38:45.340 --> 0:38:48.240
<v Speaker 4>little bit more random and coin flippy in the playoffs.

0:38:48.260 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 4>So if your best trait, if the best thing you're

0:38:50.540 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 4>leaning on is your bullpen, that is where it gets

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.859
<v Speaker 4>a little bit concerning. And if they face a team,

0:38:55.900 --> 0:38:59.540
<v Speaker 4>like I said, like the Guardians in the ALCS, I

0:38:59.580 --> 0:39:01.939
<v Speaker 4>view the Guardians as a very similar club in terms

0:39:01.980 --> 0:39:05.290
<v Speaker 4>of offensive quality, the top of the rotation quality, the

0:39:05.330 --> 0:39:09.330
<v Speaker 4>bullpen quality, defensive quality, like across the board, they rate

0:39:09.450 --> 0:39:13.660
<v Speaker 4>very similarly. So I think the market has fully priced

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.259
<v Speaker 4>in how good the Rays are, what their chances are.

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.310
<v Speaker 4>And I think you're just paying for the one seed

0:39:19.810 --> 0:39:23.450
<v Speaker 4>and the buy beyond that. So Red Sox or pass

0:39:23.550 --> 0:39:25.730
<v Speaker 4>would be my pick from that group of three teams.

0:39:26.910 --> 0:39:30.860
<v Speaker 4>Aaron Judge's injury status, which I'm expecting. to be negative

0:39:30.900 --> 0:39:34.060
<v Speaker 4>and for him to be out, does influence my selection.

0:39:34.540 --> 0:39:37.580
<v Speaker 4>Because if he's out, the Red Sox become a pretty

0:39:37.620 --> 0:39:40.900
<v Speaker 4>significant value bet for me. I might try to structure

0:39:41.020 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 4>a Red Sox smaller pennant ticket with a slightly bigger

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Guardians pennant ticket. And that way I win if either

0:39:47.660 --> 0:39:50.150
<v Speaker 4>of those two teams wins. Or like I said, I'll

0:39:50.170 --> 0:39:52.790
<v Speaker 4>just roll over the series money line for the Red

0:39:52.850 --> 0:39:57.790
<v Speaker 4>Sox from the wildcard round, hopefully to the ALCS and

0:39:57.830 --> 0:40:01.240
<v Speaker 4>then stop and watch the Guardians ticket, potentially cash from there.

0:40:01.300 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it's Red Sox from that trio of teams.

0:40:05.100 --> 0:40:08.540
<v Speaker 4>I think the Rays have overperformed to this point of

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 4>the year to win 98 games. And I think it

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:12.420
<v Speaker 4>comes to an end for them in the playoffs. I

0:40:12.460 --> 0:40:16.180
<v Speaker 4>just don't think this is the right fit in terms

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:20.540
<v Speaker 4>of championship caliber. I mean, the top comps for this

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:24.380
<v Speaker 4>team are the 2020 Astros and the 2016 San Francisco Giants.

0:40:24.420 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 4>There's no pennant winners. There's no World Series histories in

0:40:27.620 --> 0:40:30.209
<v Speaker 4>terms of the direct comps for them. The best team

0:40:30.230 --> 0:40:32.670
<v Speaker 4>from a playoff fit perspective, and I'm happy to let

0:40:33.170 --> 0:40:36.049
<v Speaker 4>Anthony take over and give his thoughts on the AL here,

0:40:36.070 --> 0:40:37.590
<v Speaker 4>because I believe he does have a future on the Rays.

0:40:37.750 --> 0:40:40.069
<v Speaker 4>Just wanted to point out the best fit from a

0:40:40.170 --> 0:40:42.710
<v Speaker 4>past profile player perspective, a team we have not talked

0:40:42.730 --> 0:40:46.270
<v Speaker 4>about yet, the Cubs, the Cubs align really well with

0:40:46.310 --> 0:40:49.910
<v Speaker 4>past champions. The 2023 Rangers are on that list. They

0:40:50.090 --> 0:40:54.069
<v Speaker 4>compare very favorably to their team from last year. But

0:40:54.110 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 4>just wanted to note like the Cubs, if you're doing

0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:00.140
<v Speaker 4>a playoff fit and a roster and good offense with

0:41:00.660 --> 0:41:04.540
<v Speaker 4>superlative defense, maybe the best defense I've ever tested. And

0:41:04.580 --> 0:41:07.089
<v Speaker 4>then pitching that seems bad on paper, but could get

0:41:07.140 --> 0:41:10.410
<v Speaker 4>coin flippy and okay in the playoffs. It is probably

0:41:10.450 --> 0:41:14.339
<v Speaker 4>the Cubs. And I think they are potentially a team

0:41:14.380 --> 0:41:16.500
<v Speaker 4>who could make a run, but they may need somebody

0:41:16.540 --> 0:41:18.359
<v Speaker 4>else to take out the Dodgers, the other top teams

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:19.980
<v Speaker 4>for them, because I'm not sure if they can do it.

0:41:20.410 --> 0:41:23.250
<v Speaker 2>Debundo, any thoughts on the Rays? You got a bet here.

0:41:24.110 --> 0:41:25.890
<v Speaker 2>Just any general thoughts before we move on?

0:41:26.350 --> 0:41:29.969
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet Tampa plus 330 the minute Judge was

0:41:30.010 --> 0:41:33.270
<v Speaker 3>going to the IL. I don't know that Judge is

0:41:33.410 --> 0:41:35.290
<v Speaker 3>actually that close. I think he's talking a big game,

0:41:35.310 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 3>but I think Boone is kind of expectation setting. At

0:41:38.500 --> 0:41:40.980
<v Speaker 3>the same time, it's been a very weird dichotomy between

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.070
<v Speaker 3>the two guys. I don't expect judge to play it

0:41:43.090 --> 0:41:45.790
<v Speaker 3>all this week. I do think that Red Sox Yankee

0:41:45.830 --> 0:41:47.910
<v Speaker 3>series is closer to a toss up than the market thinks.

0:41:48.190 --> 0:41:51.450
<v Speaker 3>So I will have some Boston plus one 50 as

0:41:51.489 --> 0:41:52.210
<v Speaker 3>a result.

0:41:51.910 --> 0:41:53.100
<v Speaker 1>Of there's plus one 40 out there too.

0:41:53.140 --> 0:41:53.379
<v Speaker 2>I know.

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.460
<v Speaker 3>So I'm on Boston in that series. I think with,

0:41:57.140 --> 0:41:59.620
<v Speaker 3>with Suarez in a game three setting, I'm always going

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.899
<v Speaker 3>to trust him to get out to, to not overpower people,

0:42:02.940 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 3>but make people get themselves out, which the Yankees will do.

0:42:05.620 --> 0:42:07.649
<v Speaker 1>I I'm worried.

0:42:07.670 --> 0:42:09.870
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Boston offense is the only concern without

0:42:09.910 --> 0:42:12.250
<v Speaker 3>Contreras and even like This is crazy to say, but

0:42:12.270 --> 0:42:14.210
<v Speaker 3>like Mickey Gasper was really good down the stretch. Then

0:42:14.250 --> 0:42:16.290
<v Speaker 3>he gets hurt too. So they're like running out of

0:42:17.250 --> 0:42:19.689
<v Speaker 3>capable hitters, but so are the Yankees. I mean, last

0:42:19.750 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 3>two months without judge, Yankees are a below league average

0:42:23.780 --> 0:42:26.380
<v Speaker 3>offense and worse than Boston. So again, I don't want

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 3>to just like cut September stats. I think going by,

0:42:29.100 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, a couple of weeks going into the playoffs

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.380
<v Speaker 3>is overrated. But when you start taking like multiple month samples,

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.739
<v Speaker 3>we're getting close to like half the season. I do

0:42:36.780 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>think that starts to matter a little bit more. And

0:42:38.980 --> 0:42:40.950
<v Speaker 3>Sean can correct me if I'm wrong. So that's why

0:42:40.989 --> 0:42:43.870
<v Speaker 3>I'm a little bit down on the Yankees. And as

0:42:43.910 --> 0:42:47.150
<v Speaker 3>a result of that, what.

0:42:47.050 --> 0:42:50.189
<v Speaker 1>Would you make Ray's Red Sox, Zerillo, if they played,

0:42:50.210 --> 0:42:50.529
<v Speaker 1>do you think?

0:42:51.450 --> 0:42:52.350
<v Speaker 4>Let me see.

0:42:52.370 --> 0:42:55.820
<v Speaker 3>Assume like Tully pitches game one, so it's Gray. I

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.259
<v Speaker 3>don't know who would start game. Who would be the

0:42:58.300 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 3>fourth starter for the Red Sox is a real interesting question.

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think the bigger point is the fact that

0:43:02.580 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure between Ray's Yankees and Ray's Red Sox

0:43:06.219 --> 0:43:08.660
<v Speaker 4>who I make a bigger favorite. I would make both

0:43:08.700 --> 0:43:10.180
<v Speaker 4>of them a favorite against the Braves.

0:43:10.300 --> 0:43:12.420
<v Speaker 3>This is interesting because there is a raise plus 110.

0:43:12.420 --> 0:43:15.350
<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's any value left at plus 260

0:43:15.350 --> 0:43:18.090
<v Speaker 3>in Tampa, but a plus 110 to make the CS.

0:43:19.290 --> 0:43:21.290
<v Speaker 3>If you think that series is going three, which I do,

0:43:23.590 --> 0:43:27.989
<v Speaker 3>the added taxation of going into Saturday, you know, it

0:43:28.050 --> 0:43:30.459
<v Speaker 3>adds up over the course of the bullpens wearing down.

0:43:30.580 --> 0:43:32.550
<v Speaker 1>So, I'm tempted by Tampa.

0:43:32.590 --> 0:43:36.170
<v Speaker 4>Probably be small favorites, maybe against the Red Sox and

0:43:36.250 --> 0:43:38.370
<v Speaker 4>definitely underdogs against the Yankees. Yep.

0:43:38.870 --> 0:43:40.310
<v Speaker 1>So that's assuming no judge.

0:43:40.670 --> 0:43:46.190
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I make judge worth about 8% to a series

0:43:46.410 --> 0:43:48.750
<v Speaker 4>money line probability. Pretty crazy.

0:43:49.230 --> 0:43:49.650
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:43:49.670 --> 0:43:52.230
<v Speaker 4>I have the series right around a coin flip without him.

0:43:52.469 --> 0:43:55.110
<v Speaker 4>I make them closer to 58% against the Red Sox

0:43:55.719 --> 0:44:00.510
<v Speaker 4>with him. Current line is what? Around plus 1%. 40

0:44:00.510 --> 0:44:03.670
<v Speaker 4>or so, uh, on Boston. So yeah, if judge isn't playing,

0:44:03.710 --> 0:44:06.390
<v Speaker 4>I like that down to about plus one 10, uh,

0:44:06.390 --> 0:44:09.649
<v Speaker 4>and whether they start totally or gray in game one

0:44:09.730 --> 0:44:12.270
<v Speaker 4>sort of determines my approach again, in terms of betting

0:44:12.290 --> 0:44:15.020
<v Speaker 4>the game one line for the series line. But yeah,

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 4>I prefer the Red Sox in that group. I prefer

0:44:17.060 --> 0:44:20.660
<v Speaker 4>the guardians from the other half of that bracket would

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:26.580
<v Speaker 4>consider betting some guardians, Red Sox finalists, AL finalists tickets. Um,

0:44:27.330 --> 0:44:29.330
<v Speaker 4>But it's definitely one of those two teams for a

0:44:29.350 --> 0:44:30.430
<v Speaker 4>future perspective in the AL.

0:44:31.230 --> 0:44:33.870
<v Speaker 3>And as far as the Rays go, Jax is going

0:44:33.890 --> 0:44:37.830
<v Speaker 3>to be in the bullpen for the DS. So Peralta

0:44:37.850 --> 0:44:41.489
<v Speaker 3>becomes the X factor. He was so much better down

0:44:41.510 --> 0:44:44.950
<v Speaker 3>the stretch run. If that's real, if you believe in that,

0:44:45.980 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 3>right now he's slated to be probably the game two

0:44:47.980 --> 0:44:51.259
<v Speaker 3>and game five starter. Now I suspect Jax is going

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 3>to become the fireman role where when they need two

0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 3>or three innings in the middle of the game, They're

0:44:56.780 --> 0:44:58.420
<v Speaker 3>going to unleash and deploy. And I think that's a

0:44:58.460 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 3>better strategy than starting Jacks. So I'm excited to see

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Cash do this. We've known, obviously, that Kevin Cash is

0:45:04.260 --> 0:45:07.500
<v Speaker 3>more experienced at doing this kind of playoff managing than most.

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 3>And they have the different bullets that they can use

0:45:10.700 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 3>and put in the gun. But I think if you

0:45:14.020 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 3>buy Peralta, you're buying the Rays. And if you're not

0:45:15.820 --> 0:45:17.460
<v Speaker 3>really buying Peralta, you're probably way out.

0:45:17.390 --> 0:45:17.720
<v Speaker 1>On the Rays.

0:45:18.390 --> 0:45:21.450
<v Speaker 4>Raise unders in their playoff games. I think they have

0:45:22.110 --> 0:45:25.130
<v Speaker 4>high quality pitching and cash is going to be very

0:45:25.170 --> 0:45:27.049
<v Speaker 4>aggressive in terms of mixing and matching guys.

0:45:27.630 --> 0:45:30.750
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's jump through these four wildcard series real

0:45:30.830 --> 0:45:33.390
<v Speaker 2>quick before we get out of here. As we mentioned

0:45:33.430 --> 0:45:35.670
<v Speaker 2>off the top, a lot of pitching uncertainty here. We

0:45:35.710 --> 0:45:39.209
<v Speaker 2>might not have a lot of like firm bets here,

0:45:39.530 --> 0:45:44.430
<v Speaker 2>but again, as a reminder, get the action app. You know,

0:45:44.489 --> 0:45:47.170
<v Speaker 2>Sean's going to be logging these playoff futures all October long.

0:45:48.250 --> 0:45:50.419
<v Speaker 2>be able to jump in and we'll, we'll talk about

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 2>them as bets become available throughout October and episodes of

0:45:54.540 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 2>payoff pitch as well. We've talked a lot about Red

0:45:57.219 --> 0:46:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Sox Yankees here. Not sure if anyone has anything else

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>they want to add here on Red Sox Yankees, the

0:46:02.860 --> 0:46:05.810
<v Speaker 2>series price for the record, just going to DraftKings here,

0:46:05.910 --> 0:46:09.170
<v Speaker 2>price shop, obviously wherever you want, but Yankees are minus

0:46:09.230 --> 0:46:11.690
<v Speaker 2>one 70 Red Sox plus one 40. I was looking

0:46:11.750 --> 0:46:14.609
<v Speaker 2>at the series leader props across the board at all,

0:46:14.750 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>all four of these series. And again, I found a

0:46:17.780 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 2>couple that I was kind of intrigued by in this series.

0:46:20.660 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Not sure your guys' thoughts here or if you have

0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:27.210
<v Speaker 2>any other bets just on either side or exact results, etc.

0:46:27.810 --> 0:46:30.510
<v Speaker 2>I looked at Cody Bellinger, most hits in the series

0:46:30.530 --> 0:46:33.950
<v Speaker 2>at 10-1. And Willier Abreu, most homers in the series

0:46:33.969 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 2>at 9-1. Again, this is kind of more wide open

0:46:36.660 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 2>with Aaron Judge out. Makes Ben Rice essentially the favorite

0:46:39.860 --> 0:46:43.609
<v Speaker 2>to lead the series in homers. Wilson Contreras right behind him,

0:46:43.630 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 2>and then Abreu seems like a good fit there. And

0:46:46.700 --> 0:46:51.020
<v Speaker 2>then Bellinger being, you know, the way he hits at

0:46:51.060 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Yankee Stadium, being more splits neutral despite being a lefty

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.700
<v Speaker 2>at 10-1 seemed like a good bet there. So I'll

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:01.610
<v Speaker 2>throw those out there. Sean, any last parting thoughts on

0:47:01.910 --> 0:47:03.990
<v Speaker 2>Yankees Red Sox?

0:47:04.090 --> 0:47:08.130
<v Speaker 4>Roman Anthony in the short porch, maybe to pull a

0:47:08.150 --> 0:47:11.029
<v Speaker 4>few into that porch for Series home run leader.

0:47:11.030 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>25 to 1.

0:47:12.960 --> 0:47:13.820
<v Speaker 4>25 to 1.

0:47:13.810 --> 0:47:13.989
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:47:14.090 --> 0:47:20.510
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, I could see that happening. I mean, Jaron Duran,

0:47:21.270 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 4>same deal. Like short porch could pull a few balls out.

0:47:25.340 --> 0:47:28.419
<v Speaker 4>Any lefties in Yankee Stadium who are at longer odds,

0:47:28.620 --> 0:47:30.219
<v Speaker 4>I think would be worth a look if Judge is

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:31.980
<v Speaker 4>going to be out. And if Judge is still priced

0:47:32.739 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 4>into those markets, that means there is probably value. Yeah.

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 4>If he's still listed, it means there's probably value on

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.509
<v Speaker 4>other guys because the moment he gets pulled out, the

0:47:40.610 --> 0:47:42.900
<v Speaker 4>odds on other ones should drop. Now, they may be

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 4>factoring in more VIG than even 10% on that market,

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:49.900
<v Speaker 4>assuming Judge will be out. But yeah, I'd take a

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 4>look at left-handed hitters, like you said with Bellinger. For me,

0:47:53.219 --> 0:47:56.460
<v Speaker 4>it'd be Anthony or Duran to potentially just knock two

0:47:56.500 --> 0:47:58.460
<v Speaker 4>balls out in three games at Yankee Stadium and win

0:47:58.480 --> 0:47:59.319
<v Speaker 4>that bet.

0:47:59.380 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Judge currently plus 220 to lead the series in home runs.

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:05.180
<v Speaker 2>I think he'd be lower than that if we were

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:10.250
<v Speaker 2>more confident with his health. Any other thoughts on Red

0:48:10.270 --> 0:48:11.630
<v Speaker 2>Sox-Yankees before we move on to Bundo?

0:48:12.130 --> 0:48:14.010
<v Speaker 3>Two teams that have been, like I said, bad offenses

0:48:14.330 --> 0:48:16.110
<v Speaker 3>for large stretches of the second half of the season.

0:48:16.130 --> 0:48:20.009
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Sean has the exact number. I don't have

0:48:20.030 --> 0:48:23.890
<v Speaker 3>the BetLabs data anymore. But anecdotally, as somebody who has

0:48:23.930 --> 0:48:25.830
<v Speaker 3>watched and bet playoff baseball for each of the last

0:48:25.870 --> 0:48:26.310
<v Speaker 3>five years.

0:48:28.030 --> 0:48:29.720
<v Speaker 1>These games go under it like 99% of the time.

0:48:29.739 --> 0:48:29.950
<v Speaker 3>And so.

0:48:33.340 --> 0:48:35.100
<v Speaker 3>I saw Sean Loggin in the app this morning. I

0:48:35.140 --> 0:48:37.050
<v Speaker 3>put the first two in yesterday for the night games.

0:48:37.070 --> 0:48:37.700
<v Speaker 1>The only one I'm a.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:42.070
<v Speaker 3>Little more dubious of is the Chicago-Houston series. And I

0:48:42.090 --> 0:48:44.370
<v Speaker 3>know it's a run higher than the other games, but

0:48:45.090 --> 0:48:49.089
<v Speaker 3>because of both teams kind of approaching this like they're

0:48:49.110 --> 0:48:52.290
<v Speaker 3>not going to have their best guy for Tuesday, it

0:48:52.350 --> 0:48:54.610
<v Speaker 3>does change the math a little bit. If you get down,

0:48:54.670 --> 0:48:57.700
<v Speaker 3>you might not be throwing high leverage. It changes things.

0:48:57.780 --> 0:49:01.299
<v Speaker 3>Whereas these other series, everybody's lined up, ready to go.

0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 3>All arms are locked and loaded and coming in at

0:49:04.420 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 3>all times. So you just have these, it's essentially three

0:49:07.180 --> 0:49:10.230
<v Speaker 3>straight game sevens. And the impact of that on a

0:49:10.270 --> 0:49:12.910
<v Speaker 3>series like this has not yet been priced in the market.

0:49:12.930 --> 0:49:14.470
<v Speaker 3>And they're not going to put these totals at six

0:49:14.530 --> 0:49:17.150
<v Speaker 3>at six, you know, consistently, but they probably, you know,

0:49:17.170 --> 0:49:20.900
<v Speaker 3>like Red socks yankees should probably be six if we're

0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.540
<v Speaker 3>being completely honest uh with even especially with schlittler on

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.700
<v Speaker 3>the mound at home so uh i like under in

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:29.819
<v Speaker 3>every game i bet all three except for white socks

0:49:29.900 --> 0:49:34.660
<v Speaker 3>astros so far and i also bet chicago series price

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:36.730
<v Speaker 3>for the second straight year i will be on the

0:49:36.770 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 3>chicago cubs to beat San Diego Padres.

0:49:39.219 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, you said Chicago, and I

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.609
<v Speaker 2>wasn't sure which one, because there are two Chicagos.

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.330
<v Speaker 1>That's right. There are two Chicagos. I'm sorry. That's my fault.

0:49:47.210 --> 0:49:49.270
<v Speaker 1>The Northsiders, the Wrigleys, the Nonpokes.

0:49:49.290 --> 0:49:51.029
<v Speaker 4>You can only be on one for the second straight year.

0:49:51.050 --> 0:49:53.390
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm on Chicago.

0:49:53.550 --> 0:49:56.460
<v Speaker 3>Cubs, to beat the Padres at basically the same price

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:57.540
<v Speaker 3>they were priced at last year.

0:49:58.020 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Unders are 33-14-3 since we've moved to the three-game wildcard format.

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

0:50:03.540 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:50:05.510 --> 0:50:08.570
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the White Sox-Astros, Astros are minus 145 here,

0:50:08.590 --> 0:50:11.170
<v Speaker 2>White Sox plus 125. The one thing I'll say in

0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:14.890
<v Speaker 2>defense of the White Sox and their potential here, and

0:50:14.950 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>also the possibility of game one-unders, is more than any

0:50:18.020 --> 0:50:20.700
<v Speaker 2>White Sox manager, you know, at least since Ozzie Gein,

0:50:20.739 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I trust Will Venable to pull the right strings. We

0:50:22.739 --> 0:50:25.140
<v Speaker 2>saw this a lot when the Tigers went on their

0:50:25.180 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 2>run two years ago with their pitching chaos plan with A.J. Hinge.

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:32.509
<v Speaker 2>Venable has, for a majority of the season, pulled the

0:50:32.570 --> 0:50:36.089
<v Speaker 2>right strings with his bullpen. And I almost trust him

0:50:36.130 --> 0:50:41.569
<v Speaker 2>more with the bullpen in these uncertain games where it's like, oh,

0:50:41.690 --> 0:50:44.330
<v Speaker 2>opener Eric Fetty is what we're probably going to get

0:50:44.390 --> 0:50:47.130
<v Speaker 2>in game one. And then he is going to pull

0:50:47.210 --> 0:50:51.390
<v Speaker 2>Fetty almost immediately. We're going to get multiple innings out

0:50:51.410 --> 0:50:53.390
<v Speaker 2>of Sean Newcomb, out of Hagan Smith, who's been an

0:50:53.570 --> 0:50:56.180
<v Speaker 2>insane weapon out of the bullpen since they called him up.

0:50:56.890 --> 0:51:00.420
<v Speaker 2>Grant Taylor, Brian Hudson. Like, they have the bullets to

0:51:00.460 --> 0:51:03.919
<v Speaker 2>throw out there against this offense. And he's the most

0:51:03.980 --> 0:51:07.290
<v Speaker 2>aggressive with his bullpen of any manager in baseball, I think,

0:51:07.330 --> 0:51:10.569
<v Speaker 2>this year. And the most aggressive with pinch hitters. Like,

0:51:10.590 --> 0:51:14.469
<v Speaker 2>he'll pull Andrew Benintendi for Randall Gritchuk in the fourth inning,

0:51:14.570 --> 0:51:17.910
<v Speaker 2>or vice versa. He was doing that in July. He'll

0:51:17.930 --> 0:51:22.489
<v Speaker 2>do that even more aggressively in October. So, game one,

0:51:22.530 --> 0:51:25.610
<v Speaker 2>we're either going to get opener Fetty, or we're going

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.890
<v Speaker 2>to get David Sandlin, who is... question box all of

0:51:29.950 --> 0:51:33.370
<v Speaker 2>his own. But I do think that there is some

0:51:33.750 --> 0:51:36.870
<v Speaker 2>if the White Sox win this series as underdogs, it

0:51:37.110 --> 0:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>will Venable is going to have his fingerprints on it very,

0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 2>very hard. So that that's one reason for optimism there. Sean,

0:51:45.420 --> 0:51:48.680
<v Speaker 2>any other final thoughts on on Astros White Sox?

0:51:49.540 --> 0:51:51.549
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I make Houston about 60% minus 150. I saw

0:51:51.570 --> 0:51:56.799
<v Speaker 4>some minus 140s out there. It does change depending on

0:51:56.840 --> 0:52:01.100
<v Speaker 4>the game one starting pitching announcements. So I'm waiting to

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 4>see whether I want to have a small bet on

0:52:03.300 --> 0:52:05.450
<v Speaker 4>the Astros. I align with the game one money line,

0:52:05.550 --> 0:52:09.230
<v Speaker 4>assuming it was going to be, you know, if it

0:52:09.250 --> 0:52:11.270
<v Speaker 4>was both number one starters, if it was Brent, like,

0:52:11.850 --> 0:52:13.870
<v Speaker 4>The game one money line makes sense to me if

0:52:13.930 --> 0:52:16.590
<v Speaker 4>it was Brown versus Burke. I have to recalculate it

0:52:16.770 --> 0:52:20.569
<v Speaker 4>if it makes sense for Fedde and opener versus whoever

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:22.020
<v Speaker 4>for the Astros.

0:52:22.140 --> 0:52:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I cannot figure out who Houston's going to throw because

0:52:24.420 --> 0:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>they've been throwing these short outings out of Peter Lambert.

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Peter Lambert.

0:52:30.060 --> 0:52:35.210
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's probably going to be Lambert. Wes Neskey threw, what,

0:52:35.250 --> 0:52:36.310
<v Speaker 2>yesterday or something?

0:52:36.430 --> 0:52:36.710
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:36.850 --> 0:52:37.009
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:52:37.830 --> 0:52:40.589
<v Speaker 2>And, and yeah, Brown through recently.

0:52:41.550 --> 0:52:44.379
<v Speaker 4>Christian Javier got put on the IL cause he strained.

0:52:44.390 --> 0:52:45.899
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, yeah.

0:52:46.100 --> 0:52:47.660
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would love to bet the white socks

0:52:47.700 --> 0:52:49.180
<v Speaker 1>of Javier was pitching. I'll tell you that.

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 1>They put him out there in the playoffs.

0:52:52.700 --> 0:52:55.740
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So really cannot figure out what Houston's pitching plan

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:58.130
<v Speaker 2>is going to be a big factor there.

0:52:58.190 --> 0:53:00.170
<v Speaker 4>I agree with you, Colin, in terms of like the

0:53:00.190 --> 0:53:02.790
<v Speaker 4>bullpen usage and stuff. That was my initial concern was,

0:53:03.050 --> 0:53:04.630
<v Speaker 4>I don't know who's starting these games. And then I

0:53:04.650 --> 0:53:06.810
<v Speaker 4>was looking at the bullpens and the recent bullpen usage.

0:53:06.850 --> 0:53:08.450
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, I think they're just going to

0:53:08.489 --> 0:53:10.850
<v Speaker 4>both air out their bullpens in game one. And then

0:53:10.870 --> 0:53:12.750
<v Speaker 4>they'll probably figure it out with the starting pitchers.

0:53:13.090 --> 0:53:14.890
<v Speaker 2>And if they're both airing out their bullpens, that's an

0:53:14.930 --> 0:53:16.209
<v Speaker 2>advantage for the White Sox, right?

0:53:16.230 --> 0:53:20.859
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it should be. It should be. Especially with how

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 4>you guys have kind of pitched it all season and

0:53:22.560 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 4>guys being used to pitching in those roles and coming

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.300
<v Speaker 4>out and Fede being used to pitching me on the opener.

0:53:27.739 --> 0:53:31.439
<v Speaker 4>I said the unders are 33 and 17 or whatever

0:53:31.460 --> 0:53:34.100
<v Speaker 4>it is in the wildcard round. The best they've performed

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.790
<v Speaker 4>is in game one among the three games. The worst

0:53:36.870 --> 0:53:40.450
<v Speaker 4>is in game two. It almost seems like maybe whoever

0:53:40.550 --> 0:53:44.310
<v Speaker 4>falls behind in game two, if they've already... you know,

0:53:44.790 --> 0:53:46.710
<v Speaker 4>one game one, yeah, then we're going to save our

0:53:46.730 --> 0:53:48.770
<v Speaker 4>relievers for game three. But game one, it seems like

0:53:48.810 --> 0:53:50.489
<v Speaker 4>both teams are we have to get a lead press

0:53:50.530 --> 0:53:52.610
<v Speaker 4>on the gas pedal. And that's when the unders have

0:53:52.670 --> 0:53:55.350
<v Speaker 4>actually performed best of the three games in the wildcard round.

0:53:55.370 --> 0:53:58.170
<v Speaker 4>So it's a relatively small sample. We know this. But

0:53:58.210 --> 0:54:01.150
<v Speaker 4>we also know that this round is played differently than

0:54:01.230 --> 0:54:03.569
<v Speaker 4>any other baseball games you'll see this year. And teams

0:54:03.610 --> 0:54:06.150
<v Speaker 4>are extremely aggressive in terms of getting relievers in and

0:54:06.230 --> 0:54:07.750
<v Speaker 4>out because you have to win two out of three

0:54:07.790 --> 0:54:09.779
<v Speaker 4>and you don't have much margin for error.

0:54:10.630 --> 0:54:12.550
<v Speaker 3>In game two, you start to get all the relievers

0:54:12.610 --> 0:54:14.930
<v Speaker 3>on back-to-backs. So you're just adding more risk that one

0:54:14.950 --> 0:54:17.170
<v Speaker 3>of them blows up. And really, with a total at 6.5,

0:54:17.170 --> 0:54:20.939
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't take much. One bad reliever gives up three runs,

0:54:20.980 --> 0:54:23.279
<v Speaker 3>and then your under is in some deep shit. But

0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 3>live unders are awesome in these rounds as well. If

0:54:27.219 --> 0:54:28.820
<v Speaker 3>you get a couple of runs early off the starter

0:54:28.860 --> 0:54:33.540
<v Speaker 3>and you get an 8.5, 9, especially 9 being so key,

0:54:34.540 --> 0:54:39.970
<v Speaker 3>live unders are usually great. If the Cubs fall behind, early,

0:54:40.250 --> 0:54:45.290
<v Speaker 3>they are in trouble in this series. We don't love

0:54:45.330 --> 0:54:49.410
<v Speaker 3>bullpens to win the World Series, but damn, if you're

0:54:49.450 --> 0:54:52.350
<v Speaker 3>behind against San Diego in the seventh in game one,

0:54:53.489 --> 0:54:53.840
<v Speaker 3>good night.

0:54:54.530 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure the Dodgers would much rather see the Cubs

0:54:57.180 --> 0:54:59.100
<v Speaker 4>than the Padres as well for that reason.

0:54:59.140 --> 0:54:59.940
<v Speaker 2>I think so, yeah.

0:55:00.140 --> 0:55:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Chicago's pitching war this season, F-war, was 28th in baseball.

0:55:09.140 --> 0:55:09.690
<v Speaker 2>I believe it.

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.399
<v Speaker 3>The only team that's even close to them in terms

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.859
<v Speaker 3>of winning the World Series is the 06 Cardinals, who

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 3>were 27th in F4 entering the playoffs and then went

0:55:19.900 --> 0:55:20.210
<v Speaker 3>on a run.

0:55:20.219 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>And that was the World Series winner that I believe

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 2>finished the regular season 83-79.

0:55:23.739 --> 0:55:23.959
<v Speaker 3>Correct.

0:55:23.980 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 2>And they won the World Series with, I believe it

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:31.950
<v Speaker 2>was Jeff Weaver and Jeff Supan fronting that rotation. Jeff Supan, yep.

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:33.339
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:55:33.489 --> 0:55:36.189
<v Speaker 1>Yep. I think they would have had Carpenter in 07, right?

0:55:36.210 --> 0:55:39.290
<v Speaker 2>I thought you said 06.

0:55:39.290 --> 0:55:40.509
<v Speaker 1>Or 06, sorry, 06, yeah.

0:55:40.590 --> 0:55:43.089
<v Speaker 2>I think Wainwright was closing for that team and Carpenter

0:55:43.140 --> 0:55:49.700
<v Speaker 2>was probably hurt because Carpenter was very frequently hurt.

0:55:49.700 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 1>83 and 78.

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they had one, they didn't play one game then.

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a six-win Pujols, or eight-win Pujols season

0:55:59.060 --> 0:56:02.820
<v Speaker 3>and a six-win. Yeah, Carpenter was a starter. Jason Marquis.

0:56:03.450 --> 0:56:04.110
<v Speaker 2>Jason Marquis.

0:56:05.550 --> 0:56:07.830
<v Speaker 1>I was in Jeff Weaver and Jeff Supan.

0:56:08.030 --> 0:56:08.170
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:56:08.390 --> 0:56:12.380
<v Speaker 2>I was a freshman in college at a national journalism

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.580
<v Speaker 2>conference that happened to be taking place in St. Louis

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.719
<v Speaker 2>in the month of October at a hotel across the

0:56:18.760 --> 0:56:21.480
<v Speaker 2>street from Bush stadium. While that series was going on,

0:56:21.540 --> 0:56:24.660
<v Speaker 2>it also happened to be at the same hotel that

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:28.069
<v Speaker 2>the tigers were staying at during that world series. I watched, uh,

0:56:28.700 --> 0:56:34.850
<v Speaker 2>Jim Leland, uh, kind of shoo away a, uh, unhoused

0:56:34.910 --> 0:56:36.670
<v Speaker 2>person who was trying to bum a cigarette from him

0:56:36.730 --> 0:56:40.830
<v Speaker 2>outside of the uh hotel i watched my very very

0:56:40.969 --> 0:56:44.890
<v Speaker 2>drunk friend try to celebrate uh the cardinals winning a

0:56:44.930 --> 0:56:48.220
<v Speaker 2>game with nafi perez who was returning to his hotel

0:56:48.380 --> 0:56:51.080
<v Speaker 2>after the tigers had lost a game and uh get

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:53.140
<v Speaker 2>blown off for that so that that's a that's a

0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 2>very memorable year for me uh just going off on

0:56:55.860 --> 0:56:57.219
<v Speaker 2>a little side tangent here can.

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.439
<v Speaker 4>I can i make a i throw out a fact

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.720
<v Speaker 4>that'll make everybody on this pod feel old Justin Verlander

0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:04.720
<v Speaker 4>was 23 years older in that world series.

0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He was, but he was there, right?

0:57:07.180 --> 0:57:09.279
<v Speaker 4>He was, he was there. He was a big part

0:57:09.340 --> 0:57:10.819
<v Speaker 4>of that team. He went 17 to nine that year.

0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:14.950
<v Speaker 4>Jeremy Bonderman, uh, Joel, Joel Zumaia is the first name

0:57:14.969 --> 0:57:17.170
<v Speaker 4>I always think of when the, the Oh six tigers

0:57:17.190 --> 0:57:17.720
<v Speaker 4>get brought up.

0:57:17.950 --> 0:57:19.510
<v Speaker 2>But the other thing I think about with that world

0:57:19.530 --> 0:57:21.830
<v Speaker 2>series is that the tigers lost that series. Cause they're

0:57:21.850 --> 0:57:24.110
<v Speaker 2>starting pitchers. Couldn't throw the ball to first base. The

0:57:24.150 --> 0:57:26.370
<v Speaker 2>Cardinals kept bunting or like hitting the ball in front

0:57:26.390 --> 0:57:27.950
<v Speaker 2>of the mound. And then the tigers would just throw

0:57:27.970 --> 0:57:30.690
<v Speaker 2>the ball into right field. Uh, it was Verlander, all

0:57:30.730 --> 0:57:37.290
<v Speaker 2>those guys. Um, but anyway, uh, any final thoughts on

0:57:37.330 --> 0:57:40.130
<v Speaker 2>any of the, either of the two national league series here, Sean, I,

0:57:40.530 --> 0:57:43.270
<v Speaker 2>I will say real quick. I remember last year, obviously

0:57:43.290 --> 0:57:45.650
<v Speaker 2>we had Padres Cubs last year in this round as well.

0:57:46.510 --> 0:57:49.550
<v Speaker 2>I was all over the Padres because of that bullpen strength.

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 2>You guys were both on the Cubs. I was wrong.

0:57:52.340 --> 0:57:54.820
<v Speaker 2>I was way wrong. And I'm, I feel tempted to

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:56.620
<v Speaker 2>do that again. I know we just talked about the

0:57:56.660 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 2>bullpens maybe being a little overrated, but I'm like, again, I've,

0:58:00.560 --> 0:58:03.810
<v Speaker 2>you know, I live three miles from Wrigley Field. I

0:58:03.910 --> 0:58:08.150
<v Speaker 2>hear about it. It's way closer. The pitching issues with

0:58:08.190 --> 0:58:13.490
<v Speaker 2>this Cubs team, their offense, maybe the second best probably

0:58:13.650 --> 0:58:17.870
<v Speaker 2>in the National League or maybe third best. Their offense

0:58:17.890 --> 0:58:22.540
<v Speaker 2>is insane. But you're looking at Matthew Boyd, Kevin Gaussman,

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:28.180
<v Speaker 2>Clay Holmes. I don't know. And the Padres can match

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 2>them and start, you know, King, Pavetta, And then I

0:58:31.950 --> 0:58:34.010
<v Speaker 2>guess maybe Casey Mize or Robbie Ray.

0:58:34.110 --> 0:58:36.010
<v Speaker 1>It won't be Mize. He's cooked.

0:58:36.190 --> 0:58:38.890
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay. Robbie Ray, probably game three.

0:58:39.370 --> 0:58:41.650
<v Speaker 1>There you go. You're betting Robbie. You're betting Bob Ray

0:58:41.890 --> 0:58:42.530
<v Speaker 1>game three.

0:58:42.570 --> 0:58:46.190
<v Speaker 2>But you're betting him against Clay Holmes. I mean, come on.

0:58:46.430 --> 0:58:48.850
<v Speaker 4>And you're getting three innings of Robbie Ray and six

0:58:48.890 --> 0:58:49.970
<v Speaker 4>innings of the Padres bull.

0:58:50.370 --> 0:58:52.330
<v Speaker 3>My main concern with San Diego is that I don't

0:58:52.350 --> 0:58:54.310
<v Speaker 3>really trust Pavetta either. I mean, he hasn't done more

0:58:54.330 --> 0:58:56.590
<v Speaker 3>than five coming back. He's not really pitched much.

0:58:57.380 --> 0:58:59.820
<v Speaker 2>And I don't necessarily trust Craig Stammen, but I also

0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 2>don't trust Craig Council to pull the right. I think

0:59:02.580 --> 0:59:05.690
<v Speaker 2>Craig Council is a very overrated manager in terms of

0:59:05.750 --> 0:59:06.890
<v Speaker 2>in-game decision making.

0:59:06.890 --> 0:59:10.870
<v Speaker 3>It depends on the San Diego offense. I mean, Tati's

0:59:10.890 --> 0:59:12.950
<v Speaker 3>having a huge second half which changed everything for them.

0:59:12.970 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 3>That's why they got on that crazy run. That's why

0:59:14.820 --> 0:59:15.490
<v Speaker 3>they're the four seed.

0:59:15.660 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Ty France being their second best hitter is a little

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 2>bit questionable.

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's just not a lot of power in that team.

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:24.980
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's been their main issue for years.

0:59:25.020 --> 0:59:28.580
<v Speaker 3>And I know that power matters a lot in the playoffs.

0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:28.740
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:59:29.390 --> 0:59:30.890
<v Speaker 1>I always take two hits more dingers.

0:59:31.130 --> 0:59:34.540
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see. I'll, I'll go ahead and take the Padres, uh,

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:36.100
<v Speaker 2>serious price just to go head to head with the

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:37.140
<v Speaker 2>bundle one more year.

0:59:37.500 --> 0:59:38.460
<v Speaker 1>Round two.

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.980
<v Speaker 4>I make that minus 15, that series for San Diego.

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.640
<v Speaker 4>So I, I pretty much align with, uh, the market

0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:45.050
<v Speaker 4>on that one.

0:59:45.590 --> 0:59:46.350
<v Speaker 2>Um, all right.

0:59:46.370 --> 0:59:48.210
<v Speaker 1>No more slam Diego for you guys.

0:59:48.310 --> 0:59:51.070
<v Speaker 2>And then finally, any, any parting thoughts here? We talked

0:59:51.110 --> 0:59:52.990
<v Speaker 2>about quite a bit at the top, so maybe not on,

0:59:53.150 --> 0:59:56.850
<v Speaker 2>on this brave, brave Phillies. Price, Dibundo, do you think

0:59:56.890 --> 0:59:58.930
<v Speaker 2>your Phillies are going through? I'm just going to put

0:59:58.950 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 2>you on the spot. Whether you're betting it or not,

1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 2>are the Phillies going through?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Phil's in three.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>In a weird way, and I'm not saying that it's.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'd prefer, but in a weird way, and this

1:00:12.770 --> 1:00:14.710
<v Speaker 3>was something that was thrown around as a joke last

1:00:14.750 --> 1:00:17.850
<v Speaker 3>week in Phillies discourse. It was like, should we not

1:00:17.930 --> 1:00:21.950
<v Speaker 3>throw our best guy against Sale? Take advantage of the

1:00:21.990 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 3>fact that there's such a drop-off to Molly and Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>and say, well, what if you did steal game one

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<v Speaker 3>and then say, Hey, we're going to line up Sanchez

1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.600
<v Speaker 3>and Wheeler for games two and three. Once you don't

1:00:31.620 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 3>have Lizardo, it's like, ah, that might be the, actually

1:00:33.580 --> 1:00:36.120
<v Speaker 3>the best plan. But yeah, I mean, I think Lizardo

1:00:36.140 --> 1:00:37.900
<v Speaker 3>is going to pitch more than people think in this series.

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:41.010
<v Speaker 3>I think he could end up with multiple relief appearances. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you trust Don Mattingly to make the right decision?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course not. Of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you guys what I, would it

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<v Speaker 2>be of interest to, you know, we, we think that,

1:00:52.590 --> 1:00:54.540
<v Speaker 2>you know, we got sale game one, we got, uh,

1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:59.440
<v Speaker 2>but Sanchez game two, right? Um, how about just over

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 2>two and a half series to go three games? It's

1:01:01.820 --> 1:01:04.970
<v Speaker 2>like minus one 10 minus one 15. Like you don't

1:01:04.990 --> 1:01:06.260
<v Speaker 2>even have to worry about the winner. You just know

1:01:06.300 --> 1:01:08.290
<v Speaker 2>this series is going three games. Like we don't see,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to conceive of a sweep in either direction, right?

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, again, the history of the small sample says, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll be four out of 16 have gone that far. But, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, these two teams played seven games against each

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<v Speaker 3>other in September that felt like playoff games.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And, Almost every game was down to the ninth inning.

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<v Speaker 3>There was like one or two laughers in there, but

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<v Speaker 3>basically every game was tight. And like, again, with these

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<v Speaker 3>offenses being as mid as they've been for so long,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see a world where like either team's running

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<v Speaker 3>away with this series.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to be tight. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind that. What is, what is Phillies in three?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Phillies in three. Exactly. Is Phillies two to one

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<v Speaker 2>is plus two 25.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Braves 2-1 is plus 290.

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<v Speaker 3>Which I guess is kind of pricing in the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that if they get to a game three, the series certainly,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Wheeler would be on a day less rest

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<v Speaker 3>than he would normally have.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's facing Grant Holmes probably.

1:02:05.260 --> 1:02:08.500
<v Speaker 3>He's facing Grant Holmes, who the Phillies did rock a

1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:12.000
<v Speaker 3>few weeks ago. Not that that matters necessarily, but I

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't expect much Grant Holmes before it comes to Fuentes

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe Robert Suarez is healthy again.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't look at this week, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>Plus one time in the series. I'd be interested. I just,

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<v Speaker 4>as I said earlier, I think you can wait and

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<v Speaker 4>maybe get a better price after game one. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We've we've talked. It's maybe been hard for people to

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<v Speaker 2>keep up on the official bets versus the lean. So

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<v Speaker 2>before we get out of here, just Sean, what bets

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<v Speaker 2>are you locking in at this stage in the, in

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<v Speaker 2>your playoff prep?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep. So I bet the, I bet the Brewers pennant

1:02:45.340 --> 1:02:47.360
<v Speaker 4>future at mid season, which is the only thing I

1:02:47.420 --> 1:02:50.820
<v Speaker 4>currently still have live because the Seattle Mariners should be,

1:02:51.540 --> 1:02:53.110
<v Speaker 4>sent into deep outer space.

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<v Speaker 1>Excommunicated from MLB.

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<v Speaker 4>That was, I think, arguably the most I've seen a

1:02:59.310 --> 1:03:03.060
<v Speaker 4>team underachieve relative to talent on the roster and preseason

1:03:03.100 --> 1:03:05.320
<v Speaker 4>expectations in a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially because 82 wins would have put them as the

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<v Speaker 3>clear favorite to make the.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like when the Dodgers didn't win the West

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<v Speaker 2>because the Giants won 106 games or whatever. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do over 81. It's not even like.

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<v Speaker 3>The Mets this year where it was kind of uncertain.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if they had won 85, 86 games, they

1:03:25.410 --> 1:03:29.130
<v Speaker 3>would have been like one of many good nationally teams.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like, dude, your division won with 81. Every

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<v Speaker 3>single team in the division went under their win total.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that that's, how is that even possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How many games they play against each other?

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<v Speaker 4>So regardless of the positions you have, Dodgers still in

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<v Speaker 4>the World Series plus 230 down to plus 200. I

1:03:49.470 --> 1:03:52.210
<v Speaker 4>think the Brewers are correctly lined where they are. If

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<v Speaker 4>you like the Brewers would not argue against betting it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think the Dodgers are definitive value based on

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<v Speaker 4>that playoff fit model. that I built. The playoff fit

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<v Speaker 4>model also likes the Guardians at plus 350 down to

1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:06.620
<v Speaker 4>about plus 300. I also bet that to win the

1:04:06.720 --> 1:04:10.210
<v Speaker 4>AL pennant. The other two bets I would consider that

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<v Speaker 4>I have not placed yet, Astros AL pennant plus 900,

1:04:13.930 --> 1:04:19.150
<v Speaker 4>Red Sox AL pennant plus 700. I think alternatively, you

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<v Speaker 4>just take their series money lines from the wildcard round

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<v Speaker 4>and roll them over, or you try to pair the

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<v Speaker 4>Guardians with either Or you pair either the Astros or

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<v Speaker 4>Guardians with the Red Sox, and hopefully you have both

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<v Speaker 4>teams who make the ALCS.

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<v Speaker 2>Debundo, what are you locking in right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Guardians to make the LCS, minus 130. Brewers to make

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<v Speaker 3>the NLCS, minus 120. Cubs to beat the Padres, minus 110.

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<v Speaker 3>And Phillies in three, plus 230.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a lot for me. I am going head-to-head with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take the Padres in that series. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to go over two and a half in Braves, Phillies,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a couple of those Red Sox, Yankees props

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned. Bellinger, hit leader. Abreu, home run leader.

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<v Speaker 4>Colin, what's your World Series and champion?

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<v Speaker 2>World Series and champion. I'm going to go... Dodgers, Red Sox, Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers win it again. And then the baseball shuts down

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<v Speaker 2>for four months. What about you, Zerillo?

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<v Speaker 1>Be more than four months.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was inclined to go. So listen, months ago,

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<v Speaker 4>I said the anti-lockout World Series is Brewers race. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the one thing that could potentially save the sport is

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<v Speaker 4>Brewers race. So that is what, from a non-betting perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see happen. What I actually think

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<v Speaker 4>happens is Dodgers, Guardians, or Dodgers, Rays. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>go Dodgers, the three-peat. I think this is the best

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<v Speaker 4>team they've sent to the playoffs, provided Otani is 90%

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<v Speaker 4>or better. And even if he isn't, I still think

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<v Speaker 4>they're good enough to win.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when the school ball trade happened, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>give me the field. Because at that point, the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of holes, and I wasn't really sure

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<v Speaker 3>it was all going to come together. And you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>the catching situation is brutal. The defense is falling off

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<v Speaker 3>a cliff. It's like Snell and Glass now, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>And then, of course, now all the stars have kind

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<v Speaker 3>of aligned. And Zerula and I were talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, and we're just like, man, you're still

1:06:35.050 --> 1:06:37.850
<v Speaker 3>taking the field, but it's hard when you're just making

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<v Speaker 3>a pick to be like, yeah, I think X team

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<v Speaker 3>will beat the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, who's this imaginary team that exists, and how

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<v Speaker 1>do they beat the Dodgers? I don't know. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Dodgers win the World Series. I'm going to go over

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<v Speaker 1>the Rays.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But that is the favorite on the board, so that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a boring answer. So we all, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>saying I'd bet it plus, plus 10 to one or

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<v Speaker 3>10 to one, but that's my thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just throw out one more real quick. I, cause

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<v Speaker 2>I texted to Bundo about this recently. We'll get a,

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<v Speaker 2>it should have been white socks versus Phillies in 1993.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get white socks, white socks over Phillies. It is

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<v Speaker 2>the longest of all of the exact results on the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Exact succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>V succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do it. White, white socks beat Phillies 300

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<v Speaker 2>to one world series. There you go. All right, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for joining us, Dibundo, as always. Be

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<v Speaker 2>sure to check out his work over at The Ringer.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sean and I will be back breaking down everything

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<v Speaker 2>under the sun all October long. These playoffs, Derek Carty

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<v Speaker 2>will be joining us to give out some bets as well.

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