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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live co host and

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Speaker 2: his latest novel, Big Shield, available on Amazon in ebook

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Speaker 2: the mob pro sports in the age of legalized gambling.

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Speaker 2: Who plays you in the book if they make it

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Speaker 2: into a movie.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in the book.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're the book. Oh okay, now I'm not in

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Speaker 2: the book.

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Speaker 4: No, God, I'm trying to try to write something people

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Speaker 4: actually be interesting.

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Speaker 3: Man, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know if it was based off your father.

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Speaker 3: No, that was father of mine, kind of.

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Speaker 4: That's the first one that I did that focuses on

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Speaker 4: mob activity that ran rampant in my hometown of Wheeling,

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Speaker 4: West Virginia in the seventies.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a bookie in that crew. Inspired by

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Speaker 3: is the tagline for that one.

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Speaker 4: Big Shield is inspired by the reality of the NFL

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Speaker 4: that it tries to ignore that it could easily be

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Speaker 4: infiltrated by betting interests and players could be corrupt did

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Speaker 4: and we've seen evidence of it with the NBA.

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Speaker 3: And MLB, and it's just a matter of time before

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Speaker 3: it happens. To the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Where is the entry point do you think for this

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Speaker 2: kind of corruption fixing games with the NFL?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think players are a very easy way to

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Speaker 4: do it, not as it relates to fixing games, but

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Speaker 4: fixing bets prop bets. What we saw with Terry Rozier

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Speaker 4: right leaving a game early, somebody loads up on the unders.

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Speaker 4: We've seen that multiple times in the NBA, the micro betting,

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Speaker 4: which I think is becoming more and more of a focus.

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Speaker 4: Number one, because it's so damn addictive for the gamblers,

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Speaker 4: but number two, it's so easy to manipulate the outcome

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Speaker 4: of a given play. To know what a given play

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Speaker 4: is going to be the main character in Big Shield.

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Speaker 4: One of the things he does, beyond providing information ahead of.

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Speaker 3: Time as to what the game plan is, who's going.

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Speaker 4: To get the ball, how we're going to attack one

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Speaker 4: play at a time, he lets it be known whether

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Speaker 4: the next play is a run or pass. And it

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Speaker 4: can be that simple in a world of widespread micro betting,

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Speaker 4: where it's as simple as is the next player runner

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Speaker 4: a pass.

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Speaker 2: We look back last year at this time with our

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Speaker 2: show notes, and we spent a couple of days on

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Speaker 2: the tush push, and it felt like it was going away.

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Speaker 2: You know, the NFL was trying to manufacture numbers for

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Speaker 2: the safety of the sport. We knew it wasn't aesthetically pleasing,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, everybody seems to be

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Speaker 2: okay with the tush push. What happened, Mike, But you

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Speaker 2: know it's funny.

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Speaker 4: Dan twenty two votes against the tush push. Last year,

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Speaker 4: sixty seven percent of the league was in favor of

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Speaker 4: scrapping the rule. But for the fact that the constitution

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Speaker 4: of the NFL requires seventy five percent to change a rule,

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Speaker 4: it would have been gone.

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Speaker 2: This year.

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Speaker 3: There's no discussion about it at all.

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Speaker 4: Look, the goalpost constantly moved in twenty twenty five. It

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Speaker 4: was it's a safety issue. Then it was it's not aesthetic,

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Speaker 4: it's not football.

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Speaker 3: It's not this. It's not that some people thought.

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Speaker 4: It just flowed from the jealousy and resentment of the

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Speaker 4: Eagles because they were using it and.

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Speaker 3: They pushed it all the way to a championship.

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Speaker 4: I think it's as simple as the commissioner was watching

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Speaker 4: the NFC championship game capping the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 4: He saw the moment where the Commanders deliberately went off

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Speaker 4: side enough times to get referee Sean Hockyle to say,

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Speaker 4: if you do it one more time, I'm awarding a

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Speaker 4: touchdown under a rule the NFL has never applied in

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Speaker 4: one hundred and seven years. And I think that sparked

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Speaker 4: an effort to get rid of it. And when they

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Speaker 4: swung and missed last year, there wasn't the impetus. Somebody

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Speaker 4: how remarkable the play is throughout twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 4: it wasn't remarkable enough to put it on anyone's radar skoll.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but if the Eagles had won the Super Bowl again,

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Speaker 2: it would have been remarkable. And it's the key.

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Speaker 4: It would have taken something to create an urgency.

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Speaker 3: The NFL only has so much bandwidth.

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Speaker 4: The current urgency is this apparent plan to lock out

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Speaker 4: the officials and expand the use of replay to help

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Speaker 4: the high school and junior college officials. So it's all

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Speaker 4: about bandwidth. How much time do you have, how many

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Speaker 4: get it on that radar screen.

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Speaker 3: Of the things the NFL is currently trying to do.

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Speaker 2: Why are they going to lock out the officials.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, money is always the easy answer when

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Speaker 4: it comes to anything like this. And they claim they're

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Speaker 4: trying to improve officiating. Now, the commissioner said in his

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Speaker 4: pre Super Bowl press conference, I'm amazed at how good

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Speaker 3: They're changing their tune dramatically.

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Speaker 4: And the problem with saying we need them to be better,

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Speaker 4: we need them to be better. The easy answer to

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Speaker 4: that is dig deep in your pocket. Use some of

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Speaker 4: that gambling money you're now getting from all the different

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Speaker 4: sports books and all the different revenue streams, and the

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Speaker 4: game keeps getting more and more profitable. Use some of

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Speaker 4: that money to have full time officials across the board

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Speaker 4: twelve months a year, no seasonal employees, no part time employees.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else connected to the NFL is working full time.

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Speaker 4: They need to be careful about how hard they bang

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Speaker 4: that drum of we have to improve officiating.

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Speaker 3: But I've been following it closely now, and look, it.

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Speaker 4: Seems like the kind of thing Dan like any other negotiation,

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Speaker 4: you get in a room, you close the door, you

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Speaker 4: sit down, and people of sound mind and goodwill can

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Speaker 4: work something out. I feel like the NFL wants to

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Speaker 4: lock them out for some of the purpose as simple

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Speaker 4: as justifying an expansion of the use of technology when

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Speaker 4: it comes to officiating.

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Speaker 2: Mike Fleurio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, But what

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Speaker 2: kind of implementation are we going to have that the

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Speaker 2: officials are going to object to?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they'll object to anything that would eventually

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Speaker 4: reduce the number of jobs. And the Commissioner in the

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Speaker 4: past has mentioned that they could try to find ways

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Speaker 4: to use AI to improve officiating. We know that the

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Speaker 4: quality of the camera angles is so much better. They

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Speaker 4: now have that Hawkeye system in every stadium that gives

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Speaker 4: the league and it's not stuff that we routinely see

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Speaker 4: on TV. The league has access to great looks at everything.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that the league has the capacity to

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Speaker 4: properly assist the replacement officials to get everything right. Think

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Speaker 4: about how many games are played at one o'clock Eastern

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Speaker 4: on a Sunday. Do you have enough people in the

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Speaker 4: room who know what they're doing to help Jacksonville at

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Speaker 4: Houston and Tampa Bay at New Orleans and the games

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Speaker 4: that don't get pulled into a primetime window. You give

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Speaker 4: me a primetime game. Okay, there's only one game on.

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Speaker 4: We'll trust that the league, although that may be misplaced, trusted,

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Speaker 4: we trust they won't.

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Speaker 3: Screw it up.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, look at the controversies that come up

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Speaker 4: already with instant replay. So I think this idea that oh,

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Speaker 4: it won't be like last time with the fail mary

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Speaker 4: from that Seahawks Packers debacle that ended the lockout and

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Speaker 4: caused the NFL to finally blink, because now they can

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Speaker 4: use replay centralized. I think that's too easy of a fix,

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Speaker 4: but I also think it's a way for them to

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Speaker 4: start experimenting with cheaper options. And maybe they are just

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Speaker 4: trying to break the union. I've seen different words used

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Speaker 4: in how the NFL issues its statements. That makes me wonder,

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Speaker 4: and I don't want to read too much into it,

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Speaker 4: but it's like, are they really just trying to break

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Speaker 4: this union and start over again?

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Speaker 3: We'll find out.

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Speaker 2: You had the story about it. Is the NFL looking

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Speaker 2: to cap how much of individual player can make expound

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Speaker 2: upon them?

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Speaker 4: Well, the NBA has had for how many years now,

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Speaker 4: as long as I can remember, which isn't very long anymore,

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Speaker 4: but they've had the max contracts and there's a limit

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Speaker 4: to what anyone player can make. I've been trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out the full menu of things the NFL is

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Speaker 4: going to want when it's time to engage with the

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Speaker 4: new NFL Players Association Executive director JC Tredder, because the

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Speaker 4: league has been waiting for things to settle down with

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Speaker 4: the union. Is one source explained to me over the weekend.

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Speaker 4: The NFL believes its business has been quote unquote constipated

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Speaker 4: by the turmoil at the NFLPA. They want to get

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Speaker 4: things moving. They want to get the eighteen games, sixteen

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Speaker 4: international games every year.

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Speaker 3: So what else do they want.

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Speaker 4: They've made noise in the past about maybe reconfiguring the

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Speaker 4: salary cap because you know, expenses are going up and

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Speaker 4: we pay those out of our half. That's what the

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Speaker 4: owners say. We maybe need more than half of all

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Speaker 4: this list of what all they want, this possibility, and

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Speaker 4: I believe the union is bracing for it. Individual players,

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Speaker 4: a limit on how much they can make, a cap

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Speaker 4: on how much a franchise quarterback's going to make, and

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Speaker 4: Dan currently the franchise quarterbacks aren't involved in union matters.

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Speaker 4: If that comes, then you're gonna see Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, all the great quarterbacks are going to be

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Speaker 4: lining up to get key spots in union management.

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Speaker 2: Help me understand this. The commissioner, actually, I think I

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Speaker 2: think he said this that they haven't even talked about

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Speaker 2: the eighteen game schedule. We know they've talked about the

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Speaker 2: eighteen Yes. I don't know why he doesn't say, yes,

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Speaker 2: we thought about it. Of course we have. You know,

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Speaker 2: just like the International Games, the number of games that

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Speaker 2: we're going to be played internationally. We knew we were

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Speaker 2: headed here. We know we're headed to eighteen games. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Jerry Jones comes out and says, hey, the

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Speaker 2: players can make more money if there's an eighteenth game.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jerry. What is the timeframe for this eighteen

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Speaker 4: And Dan, this is something that we reported the day

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Speaker 4: after the Super Bowl, and we've been talking about it

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Speaker 4: more and more, and there was nothing that happened in

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Speaker 4: this has changed. Super Bowl sixty two in Atlanta. They

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Speaker 4: do not have a date picked yet and Peter O'Reilly,

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Speaker 4: one of the NFL executive vps, tried to downplay that

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Speaker 4: the other day, but in so doing he also said, well,

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Speaker 4: not having a date allows for, you know, important things

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Speaker 4: like schedule flexibility. Well, if it's going to be seventeen

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Speaker 4: games and one by and it starts after Labor Day weekend,

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Speaker 4: we know bull sixty two will we played February thirteen,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight in Atlanta. There's nothing to wait for,

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Speaker 4: So what would change. They're not going back to Lavery

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Speaker 4: Day weekend until they have to. That's not a high

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Speaker 4: ratings weekend for the NFL. They abandoned it in two

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Speaker 4: thousand and one. It would be the addition of another game,

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Speaker 4: and that's specifically why I reported at the time they

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Speaker 4: don't have a date for that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: They don't know how many games are going to play

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Speaker 3: that year.

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Speaker 4: So they're still holding out the possibility and it may

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Speaker 4: O'Reilly said. O'Reilly said that that it's not uncommon to

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Speaker 4: I think it's unprecedented to be twenty two months out

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Speaker 2: Me make way for Tom Izzo, Michigan State head basketball

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Speaker 2: coach won a title back in two thousand four, time

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Speaker 2: Doesn't look like anything's changed in that office, coach.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you what, Dan, it's good to talk

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Speaker 6: That was good. And now you've got Grant Hill coming out.

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Speaker 6: No, it's not anymore. There are no rules. What you want,

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's good, all right. Best team you face

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Speaker 6: Wow, I mean, I guess Michigan would have to be

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Speaker 6: What the hell am I playing on those people? I

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Speaker 2: Many losses, coach, I got you, uh Iowa, Duke, Michigan,

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Speaker 6: Can never rip me about scheduling again the show. We'll

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'll never say that you're afraid to schedule somebody.

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Speaker 2: I remember watching that game, and if you would have

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Speaker 6: While you have you know what Jenny Cob would say, oh, you, Dan,

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Speaker 6: Eleven hundred and one. My wife's thinking of putting me

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Speaker 6: Coach boy, I love that statement. First of all, they

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Speaker 6: But second of all, you stold my line from earlier.

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Speaker 6: Yes? I did. I did. I told him in the

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Speaker 6: And he is ironically, this is a true story. He's

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00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 6: from Indiana, and my trainer is from his high school

440
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 6: and real good friends with his dad. So when we

441
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 6: didn't get him, I fired my.

442
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: Trainer and rightfully, So you're thinking you're in right, I mean,

443
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 2: if you got him, don't you.

444
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 6: No, he was recruited by a lot of people, and

445
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 6: I never felt that comfortable about getting them. But I

446
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 6: just said we recruited him. But he was. He is

447
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 6: a hell of a player, you know. And he even

448
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 6: had some injuries this year. You know, and that early

449
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 6: on when we played him the first time. But that

450
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 6: kid's gonna be he's just going to get better and

451
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 6: better as his body fills out. He's six six, he's

452
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 6: he can shoot the ball pretty good from long, long, long.

453
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a louting shot.

454
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 6: I sort of got he can shoot it from there.

455
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 2: The McDonald's All American game, it feels like everybody's between six'

456
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: five and six eight and they all do the same.

457
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 2: Thing if you go back to the old McDonald's All american,

458
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: game you might have Had Kenny anderson in, there then

459
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: you would have a shock like we don't have, that you,

460
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: know separation of a six footer and a seven footer

461
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: feels like everybody's around the same height doing the same.

462
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 6: Thing, well we had a kid in, there you, Know Josiah,

463
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 6: jarvis who was six four or six y. Five, Yeah

464
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 6: AND i think you're, right there was a lot of

465
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 6: that in those. Games AND i think that's because we've

466
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 6: got a lot of position this. Basketball the big guys

467
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 6: have kind of gone by the wayside. Sorta BUT i

468
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 6: do THINK i Think Charles barkley And shack those guys

469
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 6: think the big guys coming. BACK i do think When

470
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 6: edie in our, league you, know the seven four, kid

471
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 6: AND i think the big guys are going to come.

472
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 6: BACK i think everything's. Cyclical you, know everybody gets into

473
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 6: this three point shooting because it's the new sexy. Thing

474
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 6: and you, know at the end of the, DAY i

475
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 6: still think you got to be balanced and what you.

476
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: Do Ryan day At Ohio state was talking about if

477
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: you don't, adapt you die in. College well he was

478
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: talking about college, football or you. RETIRE i mean the

479
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: guys who are you know right there with you or

480
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: were they've all retired or they retired. Earlier, YEAH i

481
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: Mean perio And patino are still doing it and you

482
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: but you guys are. Dinosaurs what a? Compliment, YES i, think,

483
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: YEAH i Think i'll return BEFORE i, die. Hopefully but you,

484
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: KNOW i do talk To Ryan.

485
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 6: Day you, Know Nick saban's a guy that you know

486
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 6: when he went, OUT i, said, wow you, know Because

487
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 6: nick AND i started here together AND i just Thought

488
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 6: nick would go till. Forever and but you, KNOW i

489
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 6: don't think it's any secret That i'm not saying what everybody's.

490
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 6: Doing but the process is making this more difficult of a.

491
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 6: JOB i, mean you don't just coach. Anymore you talk to,

492
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 6: agents you talk to, people you raise.

493
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: Money But Tony bennett retires And Jay wright. RETIRE i

494
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: mean they retire good.

495
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 6: Guys, too and good coaches and good friends of.

496
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 7: Mine AND.

497
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 6: I Think i'm just too stubborn to, retire you, Know

498
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 6: LIKE i feel good to be honest with, You, DAN

499
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 6: i still have the. ENERGY i still love my. PLAYERS

500
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 6: i don't love my. Profession and but that's three out

501
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 6: of four on my. Side SO i got to deal

502
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 6: with the. Profession Like ryan, said adapt. Somewhat but adapt

503
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 6: doesn't mean all of a, sudden there's no, rules there's no.

504
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 6: ACCOUNTABILITY i, mean what we're going through, NOW i, mean

505
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 6: anytime there's a, problem just get a lawyer and fix,

506
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 6: it you. Know AND i guess lawyers must be that.

507
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 6: Good or. Judges but do these?

508
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: Kids do these kids ask you for? Money do they

509
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: say this is WHAT i. WANT i asked them for money,

510
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: NOW i, mean but do they do they have an?

511
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: Intermediary oh, yeah yeah They, Okay, okay so they don't, say,

512
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: all come To Michigan, STATE i want two and a

513
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: half million. Dollars, no his parents and his. Agency that,

514
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: Okay but you're not involved in.

515
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 6: That oh, YEAH i am. Here you, KNOW i hear

516
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 6: all these guys GOT gms and all. THAT i JUST

517
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 6: i think it's. Great BUT i think at the end

518
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 6: of the, day they had out is making the. Decisions you,

519
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 6: know like in THE nba AND, nfl it's different because

520
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 6: there's salary. Caps everybody, knows there's. Transparency IF i looked

521
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 6: at everything we're, doing then the THE nil, tampering the

522
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 6: as you, say it's going to open next, week the transfer.

523
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 6: Portal IF i had one Thing i'd like to, change

524
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 6: it would be just, transparency so we all know what

525
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 6: everybody's making and doing and then we're not getting lied

526
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 6: to by. Everybody transparency would really help the profession right.

527
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: Now but, okay what If Magic johnson said, Here, HEY

528
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: i got ten million dollars That i'm going to give

529
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: that you can. Use, okay could you use his ten million?

530
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: Dollars do you have to report that you're using his

531
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: ten million? Dollars how does that? Work, yeah you sort of.

532
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: DO i mean they said that was a new big.

533
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Rule they're going through this clearing. HOUSE i don't think

534
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: any of them. Work you heard about Rev, share you

535
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: know where.

536
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 6: Eight school is going to get five six million dollars

537
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 6: in football programs are going to get sixteen seventeen million.

538
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 6: Dollars people are way beyond those at a lot of,

539
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 6: Places so, uh that would, help BUT i don't think

540
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 6: that would solve. Everything but coaching Dan, yeah the best.

541
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 6: Players there's a lot of programs out there spent a

542
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 6: lot of money and didn't even get past the first.

543
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 6: Weekend so it's not always about the money.

544
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: Either, no but it feels like there's still back in

545
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: the day when you know things were illegal and under the,

546
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: table it still feels like you can do. That in college.

547
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Athletics you. Can there's no reason why you can't do something,

548
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: illegal and it's that it's going on right now just

549
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: because they have this nil and every you, know transfer,

550
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: portal somebody can give somebody money if they, want or

551
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: a car or house or a job.

552
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 6: What under in Miam now they wouldn't say, that but to,

553
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: me the nil means pay for, play and you can

554
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 6: just pay them to play. Them and the only difference

555
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 6: is it's it's still sort of, illegal but it's not.

556
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 6: Illegal that's what's so, hard that's what's so, Confusing and

557
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 6: who who says what's legal and not legal. Anymore you.

558
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: KNOW i don't.

559
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: Know but did we solve anything with this? Conversation?

560
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 6: YEAH i still enjoyed being on your show because you're,

561
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 6: crazy AND i probably got a new grill AND i

562
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 6: get to Watch Grant hill After i'm, done And magic

563
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 6: just gave me ten, million and we figure. THAT i

564
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 6: still Figure John shire did a hell of a job

565
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 6: and it's going to be a hell of A final.

566
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 6: Four there's a lot of good teams in. It BUT

567
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 6: i feel good about our run this, year AND i

568
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 6: feel LIKE i fell short. Again so one of these

569
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 6: days you're gonna have me on From indianapolis or wherever

570
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 6: the final is and not from my. Office so it

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 6: looks so boring.

572
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: To, yeah, yeah stop disappointing. Me is't it In detroit next?

573
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 6: Year?

574
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: Yes there you.

575
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 6: Go SO i say that if we can get there next,

576
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: year you should do your show from.

577
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: There how how about if you win next? Year would

578
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: you retire a walk off In? Michigan now you know

579
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: WHAT i?

580
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 6: Mean people asked me that last year because we were

581
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 6: one step from the final. Four if you do, it

582
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 6: you're gonna you, KNOW i don't have any interest in

583
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 6: retiring right. NOW i don't think it would. Be it

584
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 6: would be Because i'm sick of the. Circumstances it's not

585
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 6: gonna Because i'm sick of, coaching sick of the, players

586
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 6: love my. University the circumstances get to. Us but winning

587
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 6: or not wouldn't change.

588
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: That you could walk off and walk right to THE nba.

589
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 6: COACH i can walk off and right to my beach.

590
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: House, yeah and right to your rectech. Grill there you,

591
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: go AND i thank, you. Coach Thanks. Dan that's Tom Is,

592
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: Hill Michigan state head.

593
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Coach Fox Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup

594
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596
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Speaker 2: Live Grant, Hill hall Of, famer now part of THE

598
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: Cbs Turner College Basketball Tournament. Action how you feeling, Today, Grant.

599
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 7: I'm feeling.

600
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: Good wait why did you? Pause?

601
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 8: There just a, hectic chaotic, time you, know and my

602
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 8: my alma materl. LOSS i have become a. Meme i'm

603
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 8: trying to prepare for a final. Four there's a lot

604
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 8: going on.

605
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: There what do you see when you see yourself after

606
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: the shot By Mullins and there's you And raf AND

607
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: i AND. E but you And raff are both kind of. Stunned,

608
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean we were.

609
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 8: Stunned it was absolutely incredible AND i mean almost.

610
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 7: Improbable that eight second sequence.

611
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 8: Was WAS i don't Think i've seen anything quite like

612
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 8: that in, sports or at least in terms of calling the.

613
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 8: Game and SO i think you're just trying to, like,

614
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 8: okay irons all over the, call let him do his,

615
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 8: thing let us try to process what just, happened and.

616
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 7: Uh and so you, know it's funny because you don't

617
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 7: know what you look.

618
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 8: Like and then obviously they show that view and you,

619
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 8: Know raf looks like he's you, know he's he's, Uh

620
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 8: raf looks like HOW i look after a night out with,

621
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 8: Him And.

622
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 7: I'm just like. Stunned as like it.

623
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 6: Was it was.

624
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 8: Incredible it was, Incredible and some of the memes and

625
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 8: the talks and all like. It you, know it's pretty.

626
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 8: Funny but what a moment and what an honor for

627
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 8: all of us to be a part of that and

628
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 8: be on.

629
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 6: The call for.

630
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: It but unlike us as, fans you're working right because

631
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: we can say holy, whatever like you got to go, okay,

632
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: NOW i got to figure out break down what just

633
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: happened here in that? Moment AND i mean you get

634
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of time because iron will stall a little,

635
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: bit so you guys can kind of gather or look

636
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: at a. Replay but what did you see in that

637
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: if You're, Duke Did duke do everything they were supposed to?

638
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: Do it Just connecticut did something maybe a little? Better

639
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: or AM i be even too lenient?

640
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 7: There? YEAH i, mean, LOOK i think you could say

641
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 7: it that.

642
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 8: WAY i, mean, look if Kateen, boozer you, know in

643
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 8: that moment where it was able to execute that pass

644
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 8: and somehow get it through down the, court you, know

645
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 8: we're talking About duke moving on and this is not

646
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 8: an issue obviously that didn't, happen and in part because

647
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 8: of the brilliance Of yukon and you, know Just demmerrie

648
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 8: there making an all time play by deflecting that pass.

649
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 8: Attempt so, look there's a lot of. Opinions you, KNOW

650
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 8: i said in the moment that All duke had to do.

651
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 7: Was hold the.

652
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 8: Ball the beauty and the agony of sports is, that you,

653
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 8: know you got to play it all the way through

654
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 8: to the.

655
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: End but the possession arrow would have been For. Yukon

656
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: if he just stood there and held the, ball Then

657
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: connecticut is going to get the.

658
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 8: Ball, well, LOOK i mean you can say a lot of.

659
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 8: Things he could have held the. Ball they could have fouled.

660
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 8: Him maybe he goes to the free throw. Line even

661
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 8: if he misses the free, throw at least you can

662
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 8: set up your. Defense he could have dribbled the ball

663
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 8: and you, know done the whole bob poosey thing and.

664
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 8: Avoid but you know they could have done. That but you,

665
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 8: know maybe they steal it from, him or maybe he

666
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 8: goes off his. FOOT i, mean, like you, know we

667
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 8: can sit here and analyze and break down and find

668
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 8: fault and, blame but the reality is it's, sports and you,

669
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 8: know anything can, happen and anything has happened time and time.

670
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 8: Again it's, unfortunate you, know because it's not all on

671
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 8: Him duke HAD i think they had eight turnovers in

672
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 8: the second, half sixteen points For yukon in terms of

673
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 8: scoring off those. Turnovers so there was a lot of

674
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 8: blame to go. Around BUT i, think you, KNOW i

675
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 8: have to remove My duke hat and really sort of

676
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 8: where my broadcasters at and you, know we have a,

677
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 8: Responsibility we have a duty to shine a light On

678
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 8: yukon and what they've done and doing that miraculous play

679
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 8: at the end there and advancing on and celebrating them

680
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 8: and so AND i have no problem doing that BECAUSE

681
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 8: i understand what this is all. ABOUT i understand what

682
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 8: Makes March madness. Special and and so you, Know i'll

683
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 8: continue to say great things About Dan, hurley Like i've

684
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 8: done a, lot it seems the last four.

685
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: Years did you notice the incident With Roger errs When

686
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: hurley And airs come forehead to. FOREHEAD i didn't notice

687
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: it in real.

688
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 8: Time we may have shown we may have shown, it

689
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 8: BUT i THINK i was sort of just you, know

690
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 8: trying to you, know make SURE i had a, pulse

691
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 8: but then also just take it all in watching The yukon,

692
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 8: celebration the, team Watching duke and you, know sort of

693
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 8: the morning in that, moment and and just sort of

694
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 8: taking it all in in real, Time so not really

695
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 8: watching the monitor in that.

696
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 7: Moment But i've of.

697
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 8: Course seen it after the, fact and you, know it's

698
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,479
Speaker 8: it's It's Dan, hurley you, Know and And i've heard people, say,

699
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 8: well you, know you, know it could have been a you,

700
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 8: know it could have been a technical it could have

701
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 8: impacted the. RESULT i, think you, Know airs is one

702
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 8: of the best in the. Business he handled it, right,

703
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 8: uh you, know very celebratory and it's damn you, know

704
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 8: and they know Who dan is and maybe he gets

705
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 8: a little, leeway maybe he.

706
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 7: Doesn't but you, KNOW i think it was, funny it was.

707
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 8: Amusing great job by our Director Mark rant to capture

708
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 8: that and that on the. Air BUT i think it

709
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 8: just showed the fullness of that, moment the celebration from the,

710
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 8: bench yukon their, fans their, coach and then you, know

711
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 8: Capturing duke and the, disappointment the, dejection all of, that

712
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 8: and so that's that's GOOD.

713
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 7: Tv but that's also What March madness is all.

714
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: About talking To Grant HILL Cbs turner college basketball, analyst

715
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: now you know how those Poor kentucky fans felt when

716
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: you threw the Pass Till, latner right? Now you know that.

717
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 8: Pain, Well i'm not laughing at The kentucky, fans first of,

718
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 8: All i'm laughing at the. Question you, KNOW i think

719
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 8: the difference, though, YES i know what it feels. LIKE

720
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 8: i think the difference in that, moment you, know we

721
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 8: were number, One kentucky were kind of the. Upstarts they,

722
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 8: weren't they weren't even picked to go as far as they,

723
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 8: did and that game was just, one you, know incredible

724
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 8: play after incredible, play and it was back and, forth

725
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 8: and we just so happened to have two seconds left

726
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 8: and we were able to execute a play at the.

727
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 8: Buzzer BUT i think they walked out of there, disappointed,

728
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 8: Obviously But i'm sure The kentucky faithful was proud of

729
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 8: that group and felt like they were worthy of, winning

730
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 8: and it just they just came up. SHORT i think

731
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 8: in this, CASE i don't think The duke faithful walked away.

732
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 8: PROUD i think they felt, like you know, what we

733
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 8: let that slip. Away it was it was it was

734
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 8: in our, hands and there was a meltdown and. Uh

735
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 8: and SO i don't think the same feeling amongst The

736
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 8: duke fans compared to that Of. Kentucky but to lose

737
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 8: on a play like, that to lose on a shot like,

738
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 8: that and you're, Right, Dan, LOOK i was on the,

739
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 8: COURT i was a part of that moment thirty some

740
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 8: odd years, ago and Now i'm courtside on the call

741
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 8: for one of another iconic. MOMENT i mean it was

742
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 8: it WAS i guess full circle and you, know, look

743
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 8: you're going to experience those highs and you're going to

744
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 8: experience those.

745
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 7: Lows and that's just part of you, Know COACH.

746
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 8: K COACH k who obviously had forty year career At,

747
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 8: duke and he had some incredible highs and he had

748
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 8: some tough moments as, well.

749
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 7: And that's just part of. It you, know you got

750
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 7: to take the good with the.

751
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: Bat how do you decompress after calling a game like?

752
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 6: THAT i.

753
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 7: COULDN'T i literally could not sleep after the.

754
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 8: Game and, LOOK i say that even if you Replaced

755
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 8: duke with you, Know North, CAROLINA i still would have

756
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 8: been in disbelief because it was just as a broadcast

757
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 8: and you know this like as a, broadcast so you

758
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 8: can only like pray for a game like, that to

759
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 8: have a moment like, that to have a you, know

760
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 8: just a play that you could never imagine occur at

761
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 8: the end of the.

762
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 7: Game and and.

763
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 8: So for, us you, Know Iron, Eagle Bill, Raftery Tracy, wolfson,

764
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 8: myself to be on that, Call you're just like, wow

765
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 8: and you know what's at, stake you, know and the

766
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 8: opportunity to go uh to the final four SO i

767
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 8: was just going through. IT i was, LIKE i couldn't.

768
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 8: SLEEP i was, like, wow like what? Happened like did

769
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 8: we just witnessed?

770
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 6: This this is? Real?

771
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 8: Uh of COURSE i was looking at all the comments

772
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 8: On twitter and people you know saying, that you, KNOW

773
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 8: i lost my soul and you, know was disappointed and all,

774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 8: like and it was, actually you, know you don't typically

775
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 8: like when people come at on social, media but in that,

776
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 8: moment it was actually fun h to see all the

777
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 8: comments and all the just all the, excitement you, know

778
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 8: and and the one, THING i, mean, Look, YUKON i

779
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 8: have the utmost.

780
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 7: Admiration after the.

781
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 8: GAME i went out AND i went on the, court you,

782
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 8: know after we did our internet, HIT i sought out

783
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 8: mister and Missus, Hurley Bob, Hurley. Sr Chris, hurley AND

784
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 8: i was happy for. THEM i, mean we we shared

785
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 8: some great moments. Together they're like, Family dan And bobby's Sister.

786
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 8: Melissa and THEN i Saw dan AND i chatted With,

787
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 8: dan and you, know we talked and you, KNOW i, mean,

788
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 8: Look i've known them for years AND i was happy

789
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 8: for them and happy for their, program uh and happy

790
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 8: to be a part of that.

791
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Moment best team left in the tournament is who.

792
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 8: Ooh that's a good. One that's a good. One so

793
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 8: that's tough TO i, MEAN i THINK i Think michigan And,

794
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 8: ARIZONA i think it's a toss. UP i Did arizona's

795
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 8: first game this. Year they Played, florida the defending champions In.

796
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 8: Vegas felt like a final four game and Co O

797
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 8: pete was, incredible kind of his coming out. Party but

798
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 8: But arizona's. Different they gotten. Better bury's is now like a.

799
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 8: Murder he didn't play great in that.

800
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 7: Game he is now of.

801
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 8: Force this team is, solid well, balanced well, coached uh inside.

802
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 8: Out they get to the line like they're Big. Michigan

803
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 8: i've seen a lot Of. MICHIGAN i did their games

804
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 8: and the players. THERE i did The Big ten. Tournament Man,

805
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 8: LIKE i DON'T i think that those are the two best.

806
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 8: Teams but the best teams don't always, win you, Know.

807
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 7: And we've learned. That and we've learned, Anything we've learned.

808
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 7: That so but we got some great.

809
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 8: Matchups we got you, know we got some blue, bloods

810
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 8: we got some some big.

811
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 7: Teams we got An illinois team that is is.

812
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 8: Unique they're, big they shoot, threes they don't, foul but they're.

813
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 7: Physical uh they?

814
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 8: Were they rebound like it's it's such a different style of.

815
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: Play but, anyway that's not like a. Politician IF i

816
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 8: had to pick one, TEAM i would, SAY i Think

817
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 8: michigan might be the best team, here and The duke

818
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 8: person in me it pains me to say, that BUT

819
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 8: i THINK i Think michigan might be might be the

820
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 8: best team in The fountal.

821
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Four was there a second option on the throw To

822
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: latoner Against? Kentucky, yeah there were a couple.

823
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 7: Other you, know it was. FUNNY i. WAS i.

824
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 8: WAS i was At duke in the preseason AND i

825
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 8: went to watch practice And i'm talking With shire And

826
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 8: Chris carowell and they're just kind of kind of going

827
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 8: through some scenarios and they're, like what's that play that

828
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 8: you guys, Ran, like, like what was the actual play

829
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 8: that you ran Against? Kentucky and part of me was, thinking,

830
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 8: Well Coach k's, upstairs you should go. Ask BUT i

831
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 8: tried to rack my brain and there was some other

832
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 8: action and you, know IF i couldn't get To christian

833
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 8: and maybe throw it To, bobby he was the second.

834
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 8: Option BUT i knew coming out of that huddle that,

835
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 8: Like i'm throwing it To christian and we're gonna live

836
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 8: and die with him making a.

837
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: Play but that had been. Practiced that actual.

838
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 8: Play had not been, practiced but the baseball pass and

839
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 8: sort of variations of that. Play we ran a play

840
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 8: similar to that against Wake forest at the end of

841
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 8: the regular, season and we didn't. Execute COACH k Had

842
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 8: latner coming from one side of the court to the.

843
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 7: OTHER i threw a curveball that.

844
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 8: Led him out to the out of bounds there by the,

845
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 8: sidelines and so this time he Put christian right in

846
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 8: the middle of the. Court and so good coaching On

847
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 8: Coach k's. Part but you, Know i'm still.

848
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Amazed laightner faked one way and went. BACK i don't

849
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: know if he needed, to but it was, like, wow

850
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: well he's THINKING i might be double. Team i'm gonna

851
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: fake one way and he still had time to turn

852
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: the other.

853
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 8: Way, YEAH i mean that WAS i REMEMBER i had

854
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 8: a great view and when he caught it and he started,

855
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 8: DRIBBLING i.

856
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Said, no, no don't do.

857
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 8: That now's not the time to show your moves Off,

858
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 8: christian you, Know but his presence of, mind his understanding

859
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 8: that two seconds WHAT i can do in that amount of.

860
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: Time how about a statue of you getting ready to

861
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: throw it and Then latner fifty feet. Away we put

862
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: that on The duke. Campus you, Know i'm not opposing.

863
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 7: It i'm not opposed to that.

864
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Because you don't get credit for the. Throw and your

865
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: dad was a great running. Back were you a? Quarterback

866
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: and did you play any?

867
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 7: Football so he wouldn't let me play UNTIL i got

868
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 7: to high. School So i'm still a little resentful about.

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Speaker 7: THAT i played.

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Speaker 8: Back but we used to practice the baseball pass every,

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Speaker 8: day two mandrels warming up every day. Day AND i

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Speaker 8: used to talk so much trash that my my baseball

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Speaker 8: passes were always on the, march And i'd, say it's into,

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Speaker 8: jeans it's into.

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Speaker 2: Jeans i'm in the wrong, sport you.

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Speaker 8: KNOW i used to always yell that out in, practice

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Speaker 8: and SO i had one opportunity to show off my.

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Speaker 7: QUARTERBACK i love.

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Speaker 2: IT i love. It, uh have fun this. Weekend great

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Speaker 2: to talk to. You Tell raft AND i And tracy

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Speaker 2: we said, hello.

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Speaker 7: All, RIGHT i appreciate, You, dan thank you.

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Speaker 2: Buddy That's Grant. Hill