1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: How d everybody, it's January seventh, twenty sixteen. No, it's not, 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: but in my world it is. It's actually twenty twenty four. 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: But we're going to go back in time to January 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to listen to the episode on body language. 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: And I said it like that because for some reason, 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: it has an exclamation point in the end. So please 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: enjoy body language. Welcome to Stuff you should know, a 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Charles w Chuck Bryant, Jerry's in the house. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: We're back to basics. 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing a social sciences episode. Man, I mean 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: we're all right, man, we get to tear it apart. 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: You you believe in body. 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Language, sure, watch this. You're winking and shouldering and nodding 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: your head and you're loosening up and you're doing some 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: weird biting thing. What did I say? You said I'm 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: feeling silly. 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was saying. 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: How about that? 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it said I've had a diet mountain dew and 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: I'm pepped up. 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's what I was saying. I missed the 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: Uh no, I'm crashing and he's down. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: You doing good? 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hanging on by a thread. Are you sure 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: we can make it through this? Man? 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: You can do this in your sleep. Okay, don't go 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: to sleep. Okay, it will be so boring. 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: You could theoretically do this in your sleep. Yeah, okay, 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I gotcha. Yeah. So body language it is a thing. 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: When I was researching, I was like, this is junk science. 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: There's no way this is real. And I could not 34 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: find anything that. 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Just said like, yes, body language is obviously junk science. 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: Apparently it's very well established and well reputed. I mean 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: I understand like, like, yes, there is such thing as 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: body language intruded in evolution. Yeah, it's basically evidence of 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: evolution from an animalian ancestor. 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: But the idea that like you can read somebody, especially 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: like that facial coding system, it just struck me as 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: really like junkie. 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we did. I could have sworn we had 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: done this one when I we did micro expression. Yeah, 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: we did that in I think two thousand and nine, 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: and I don't remember how I weighed in on it 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: back then. So I'm just going to start anew. Yes, 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: it may, it may be a different take. I have 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: no idea. 51 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: People grow and change, their opinions evolve, you know. 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Well here's what I think. Of course, body language is 53 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: real and it can tell you a lot, can tell 54 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: you a lot, uh huh, but it can also miss 55 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: You can be misdirected very easily. Sure and h I mean, 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: we'll get to it. But I found some stuff from 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: a former FBI guy. Even it doesn't say it's junk science, 58 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: but he's like, you can fool somebody too if you're 59 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: a sociopath. You know this about body language of micro expressions. Yeah, yeah, 60 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: apparently it's a myth that uh, that's how I get by. 61 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Apparently it's a myth that icon or not having eye 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: contact means deception, while it can. His whole point is 63 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: they've done studies over the years and habitual liars and 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: anti socials in psychopaths have the most eye. 65 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: Contact, probably because there's that myth. Yeah exactly, So it's 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: like a self fulfilling myth. 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Ted Bundy was probably like, I gotta make great 68 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: eye contacts with everyone looking into your soul, otherwise the 69 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: jig will be up right and I won't get to 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: kill people any longer. My favorite thing, right, and. 71 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 2: Then so yeah, there's a lot of myth. 72 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: There's that. 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: There's that one myth also where like you look up 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: into the right or up into the left of your 75 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: lying or recalling. Yeah, remember I can't remember we do. 76 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: We debunked that in something here or there a while back. 77 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I think body language is fun to 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: talk about and study. But when you're convicting someone as 79 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: a jury based on micro expression, yes, there's where the 80 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: junk science comes in for me, it gets a little dangerous. 81 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: And not just with body language too. We need to 82 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: do a whole episode on forensics in general and just 83 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: how junkie the science that most of it is based on. 84 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: It's basically the only thing that's less standing is DNA, 85 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: and even that can be wildly misinterpreted. Yeah, and we're 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: using this to like execute people. Yeah, and there's a 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: big problem with it. So I think we've arrived at 88 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: my problem with it. It's junk science when you apply 89 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: it for like law enforcement. 90 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, as fact. Yeah, agreed, Okay, so can we be done. 91 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: This is the other thing that got me too, Albert Mehrabian, 92 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: I totally. 93 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: Nailed that guy's name. 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: I bet the h is silent Arabian Merabian, I bet 95 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: it's just Morabian, not Arabian anyway. 96 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Morabian back in nineteen eighty one said that in 97 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: the first four minutes of meeting someone, our facial expressions 98 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: account for sixty five percent of the impression we make. 99 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: Seven percent of that impression comes from our actual words, 100 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: while the remainder of the information comes from our tone 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: of voice. Yeah, I think is what made me think, like, no, 102 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: this is all b Yes. 103 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sounds who can say that, you can't. 104 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 2: Maybe in nineteen eighty one you could get away with 105 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: that crap, not in twenty fifteen. 106 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: No, sixteen, Yeah, you lived in the past. Yeah, Morabian was. 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: He was probably one of the first researchers to study 108 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: this in the nineteen forties out of UCLA. And I agree, 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: you can't just break down percentages. I think what he 110 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: really means to say, if I may speak for him, yes, 111 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: is facial expressions and tone of voice account for a 112 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of what you're getting out of 113 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: a person. 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone would disagree with that. 115 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: And the words account maybe for even less than those 116 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: two things combined. 117 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: I think people would agree with that too. I think 118 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: it's when you quantify it. Yeah, sure, seven percent. He 119 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: just said that just because it sounds authoritative. 120 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he like he fed it into the percentage 121 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: three maker of three thousand and it spit it out. 122 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: But that is not to miss a point that communicating 123 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: inadvertently is something that we all do through bodyling. Sure. 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a there's a great quote I ran 125 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: across on a Psychology Today post. It was the quote 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: comes from a sixteenth century Scottish mathematician named John Napier, 127 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: and he said, if language was given to men to 128 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: conceal there, oh you found it too, huh. 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about as good. 130 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: A quote of body language as you can come up with. 131 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: You do it, chuck, No, you you were already do 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: you better sixteenth century Scottish mathematicians. No way, I'm not 133 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: doing do you? 134 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: Sean Connery reading this, man. 135 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: If language was given to men then shield their thoughts, 136 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: then gesture's purpose was to disclose them. That's perfect, not bad. 137 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: That was a dead on John Napier. 138 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: It's not as good as my crystal fault. 139 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. So Napier makes a pretty good point, like, yeah, 140 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: you can language has all sorts of structure and can 141 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: be mastered. Body language is much of it is just 142 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 2: inadvertent and we don't even realize necessarily when you're picking 143 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: up on it. You just get this weird gut feeling 144 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: that no, I don't trust this car salesman, or I 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: want to give this car salesman all my money depending 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: on the body language. 147 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's pretty clear that this started a long 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: time ago, like it predates language, right because who wrote this, 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: By the way, this. 150 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: Is a Patrick Kiger joint. 151 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh Kiger. Yeah. Kiger says rightfully that in Tuktook's age, 152 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: you didn't have a lot of time to suss things 153 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: out like up close and personal. You know, once you 154 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: got close enough within striking distance, you can be stricken. Yeah, 155 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: you might already have that club upside your head right 156 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: or that rock in your face. Yeah, So you needed 157 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: to judge someone's body language as they approach you to survive. Yes, 158 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you know. 159 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: So body language makes sense. And you would also presuppose 160 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: that since we are descended from animals and animals clearly 161 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: do engage in body language, that body. 162 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Language will be older than language. 163 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: Although this article says that language didn't exist until about 164 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years ago. That's under dispute. No, really, 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: possibly as much as a million years ago, people were 166 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: using some sort of verbal communication. 167 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 168 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Neanderthals apparently also had language. Probably interesting, It 169 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: is pretty interesting. 170 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: I'd like to do one on animal communication, have we not? 171 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: I think we touched on it here and there. But 172 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of things like cats purring 173 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: and tails wagging on dogs that are misinterpreted. Yeah, or 174 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: like a wolf growling, I think that means compet me. 175 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's often as interpreted as a warning. 176 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: Come take this stink out of my mouth if you dare. 177 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: Should we take a break? Sure, all right, let's take 178 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: a quick one, and we're going to get back and 179 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: explain a little bit more about what one researcher calls 180 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: thin slices of experience. So, Josh I said something about 181 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: thin slices of experience. And I'm not talking about the 182 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: roast beef line at the buffet, which is great, thin 183 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: slices the carving station. Yeah, yeah, you ever work at 184 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: carving station? Have I ever worked one? Yeah? 185 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: I've hung around one long enough that I basically should 186 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: have been paid, but I was just eating. 187 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: What do you wait for the next roast to come 188 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: out so you can get the in cut. 189 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: I've never been into and cuts it whether it be 190 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: a loaf of bread or cut of meat. 191 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Oh really, like a prime rib end cut? Yeah, no, daddy, 192 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that's good, isn't it? 193 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: All salt? 194 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I love it? 195 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: You like the salt huh oh yeah, yeah. South to me, 196 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: it's like the closer you get to the middle, the juice. 197 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: He or it. Well, that's lower cooked. Yeah, and a 198 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: little a little rarer in the middle, right obviously. 199 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's my problem with the end 200 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: of anything. You know, it's under cooked. You overcooked? 201 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: About why people don't like to eat the crust? Why 202 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: because it's called crust And that might be part of it. 203 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: If like one hundred years ago they named it like 204 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: the butterfly Yeah, the butterfly slice. Ye, people would have 205 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: been like fighting for it, like the butterfly slice is delicious. Yeah. 206 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard George Carlin's little take on that 207 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: end slice that everybody always goes past. They're like, I'm 208 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: not going to eat that. That's the poison piece of bread. 209 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: I'll leave that for my family to eat. 210 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: Wait, I guess the end sitting called the crust, so 211 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: is it? The crust is what's around. But it's all crust. 212 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: That's the problem with Oh, okay, you know what I mean. 213 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: It's nothing butt crust. Yeah, not butt crust. It's nothing 214 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: but crust. I think the other weird man, this is 215 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 1: a jer or so juve. This is a strange tangent. 216 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: I think. The other problem with the bread in pieces 217 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: is that eating one in piece with a regular slice 218 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: is a little weird. Yeah, but getting that other slice 219 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: off the tail end is not very feasible or efficient 220 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: to make two crust pieces. 221 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 2: No, but that frequently is the last sandwich that's made 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: out of the loaf because that one end piece has 223 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: been hanging around. 224 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 225 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then finally it's made. Yeah, and then you 226 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: stick some turkey in it and weep quietly while you 227 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: eat your terrible sandwich. Man, thin slices where experience. 228 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: Yes, this is a professor of psychology name Nalini and 229 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: body and Battie Huh from Toughs University. Shout out to 230 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: my buddy Robert Shahade from high school. 231 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: Okay, he works at tough Speaking of you know, there's 232 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: a kid with like a really huge hit single out 233 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: right now from your high school. Really, I think your 234 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: high school's shown in the music video. It's watch Me Whip, 235 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: watch Me Nay Nay. It's read in yeah weird, yeah, Cilento. 236 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: So I'm no longer the most famous person in my 237 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: high school. 238 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: You were until about it six months ago. 239 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: And I will be again in another six months. 240 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a pretty pretty catchy single. It's a hot, hot, 241 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: hot track. 242 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: Now. We actually we had several professional athletes that are 243 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: much more popular than me. We had a professional punter. 244 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Actually maybe told me that before. Yeah, we have, We've 245 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: had a few. There's a baseball player. Uh had a punter. 246 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: Travis tript went to my high school. Shut up, really no, 247 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: see that's a big time yeah, Travis true big Yeah. 248 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't have any like superstars. 249 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: Luke Bryan went to Uni High school. 250 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Man, you guys, where'd you go? Beverly Hill's nine. 251 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: Or two on with Shannon Doherty. 252 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: Uh, oh boy, here we go again. Thin slices from 253 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: Tough's University. 254 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: Well, let's let's talk about the thin slices thing. 255 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: Man. 256 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: The you said earlier that it would be very advantageous 257 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: evolutionarily speaking, to be able to read maybe the rough 258 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: intentions of some other hunter gatherer one hundred thousand years ago, 259 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: read the room like from a distance before they could 260 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: hit you with a rock, right, if that was their intent. Sure, well, 261 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: just as much you want to be able to like 262 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: walk through the world and be threatened by stuff and 263 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: to make snap judgments about it based on things like 264 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: body language. Yeah, same thing. And this is what the 265 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: thin slices has to do with. 266 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just those first few seconds when you meet somebody. 267 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: And I mean some people may just call it a 268 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: gut instinct about somebody, but what you're probably doing is 269 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: reading body language, right, That's what that gut instinct is. Yes, 270 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: And those things are processed and generated. And I think 271 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: the limbic system where emotions and feelings are processed in 272 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: the brain. Yeah, limbic system, from what I understand, that's right, 273 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: which she thinks and I agree with her that it 274 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: might explain why we have such such like a powerful 275 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: gut instinct about some people when we first meet them, 276 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: because it's tied to emotion. Yeah. 277 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: And the whole point is is this guy will cut 278 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: your throat if you turn your back on him, right, 279 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: probably not, But in our modern context, it's you know, 280 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: this guy will inflate the price of the car you 281 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: want to buy if you're not careful. Yeah, it's this 282 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: totally different things, but it's based on the same principle. 283 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: It's all based on body language, and we're able to 284 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: make snap judgments that we can't even stop and really 285 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: analyze what it was that person did or what it 286 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: was about him. We just know that we trust them 287 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: or don't, or we feel comfortable around them or not, 288 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: we fear them or we don't. Yeah, based on this 289 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: body language, and what this professor is saying is we 290 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: have a very ancient part of our brain that is 291 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: responsible for processing this stuff. 292 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, just for me personally, I think 293 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: if you try to focus on that too much, uh huh, 294 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: then you're not doing yourselves any favors. Like let it 295 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: be innate. 296 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's some people who coach this kind of stuff. 297 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah that apparently say no, do all sorts of crazy, 298 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: weird stuff, which we'll talk about later. 299 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, But what you're looking at are there's three 300 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: different categories. I guess innate, learned, and some that are 301 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: both hybrid expressions and postures and things that you do 302 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: and like, for instance, you're born with like you can blush, 303 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: that's an innate thing. You blush. You don't mean to blush, 304 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: especially when somebody's staring at your cheek. Yeah, I don't 305 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: think you can make yourself blush. Watch this. Just think 306 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: about hot things in your mouth. Tighten up your core. Uh. 307 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: So that's the innate side learned would be things like 308 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: hanging someone a bird, yeah, out the car window, right, 309 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: because everyone knows what that means depending on where you 310 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: are and you've learned it. 311 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not something you're born doing, Like, yeah, I 312 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: got your diaper right here, come. 313 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: Change a photo of a baby Accidentally shooting a bird 314 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: is one of the great things. Sure can we agree. 315 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: But it's accidentally. There's no meaning attached to it, that's 316 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: what you think. And then there's hybrid hybrid gestures that 317 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: are like shrugging is a really good example. It's something 318 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: you know you naturally shrug, right, right, but it's it's 319 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: not contextual until you learn what to attack attach it to. 320 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, sure you're not born and being like. 321 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: Right or you or you you cry, but you've also 322 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: learned that crying can get you something, maybe right, or 323 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: to get out of a traffic ticket or something sure, 324 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: to gain sympathy. 325 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: It can chase your parents off to the bar. Yeah, yeah, 326 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: one of those. And then Chuck I said something about 327 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: how you know, flipping somebody bird. Everybody knows what that means. 328 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: It does depend on where you are, sure, because there 329 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: is especially with learned. So I think innate body language 330 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: is virtually universal stuff that you couldn't possibly control. Like, 331 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: I can't remember why I read it. But if you 332 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: take a bite of something putrid and you make that horrible, 333 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: like disgusted face like oh my god, I'm about to 334 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: vomit everywhere, everybody who's watching you doesn't have to go 335 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: give me that and then take a bite and taste 336 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: it themselves. They can look at your face and be like, 337 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere near that piece of feces that 338 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: guy just took a bite of. The That's how we 339 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: all learn not to eat feces. 340 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's also the human thing where you're like, 341 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: oh God, smell this. 342 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: Right, that's the member who wants everyone else for like 343 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: they just did. But everybody else has just been communicated 344 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: to by that innate face, that nasty face that you 345 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: would make when you eat something disgusting. And again that 346 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: evolutionarily that protects us in that respect innate stuff. So 347 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: that's universal, sure, but it's the learned stuff that's culturally dependent. 348 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, for instance, they have a few examples in 349 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: the article, Smiling in the US might mean in the 350 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: United States might mean you're happy, apparently in Asia it 351 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: might say I agree with you. 352 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: It could also cover up embarrassment if they're embarrassing for 353 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: you or something. Yeah, there, you might smile. 354 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, is that why everyone's always smiling at me? They're 355 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: embarrassed for me? What else? Eye contact varies from place 356 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: to place. Here in the United States, someone might think 357 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: you're listening and like very keyed into what you're saying, 358 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: or your Ted Bundy or your Ted Bundy, or if 359 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: you're in Africa, maybe it might be disrespectful to look 360 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: someone right in the eye. 361 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: Looked around to find out what part of Africa because 362 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: I hate to leave it like that, you know, on 363 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: this massive continent, right, do not look people in the eyes? 364 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't find any, and everyone said some parts of 365 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: Africa everywhere I look no one specifically said. In the Congo, 366 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: it's considered impolite or aggressive or something like that to 367 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: maintain eye contact. It's definitely in Japan. Yeah, if you 368 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: make eye contact with somebody, you are saying I'm your superior. 369 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: So if you are socially or say business wise and 370 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: inferior to somebody, you're you're averting your gaze and it's respectful. 371 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: In the US, you shake hands and you make eye contact, 372 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: and you just you know, climbed a wrong right there. 373 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: Unless your Prince And then he's like, nobody can hide 374 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: eye contact with me? 375 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: Is that for real? Because he likes to do things 376 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: that just mess with people for fun. 377 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think ninety percent of the stories 378 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: you've heard about Prince are not true. 379 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: What about him playing basketball, He's like a really good 380 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: basketball player, though, says Charlie Murphy. 381 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Well, I believe and everything, Charlie Murphy. 382 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: Says, they I found some more culturally bound stuff. 383 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: What else? 384 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: Thumbs up in New Zealand does not mean like right on? 385 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: Does that mean it like thumb up your butt? Pretty much? Really? 386 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to do that. Similarly, when you 387 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 2: make like the peace sign, as long as you're not 388 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: showing the people the back of your hand. 389 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Sure, that's yeah. 390 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: And in in Australia and I believe New Zealand too, 391 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: like that movie Bad Taste, the cover of it that 392 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: I think Peter Jackson's first or second movie. Oh right, 393 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: the cover of It's like an alien going like that, 394 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what's the what's two? 395 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? Why was he showing me the number two? 396 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,479 Speaker 2: Then as I grew up, I learned to understand what 397 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: that was. 398 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: What else you got? Uh? 399 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: In some cultures, nodding means no, like nodding yes actually 400 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: means no, like in Greece and Bulgaria. 401 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I could get you in trouble. 402 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. And in Mexico, Mexico, this is what I found. Mexico, 403 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 2: Haiti and Spain, it is perfectly normal to go to 404 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: a waiter, which I do. I don't do it to waiters, 405 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: but I'm a kind of person. That's how you call 406 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 2: someone over and get their attention. You may also make 407 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: kissing noises at them to a waiter. 408 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Really Yeah, So I go to Mexico, I need 409 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: my check and I go. 410 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: I guess according to this thing that I read, which 411 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: seemed pretty legitimate. 412 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, what was the website? 413 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: I don't remember. I'll definitely send it to you to post. 414 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: But it was like it was researched material to be 415 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: used by business people around the world. If it was 416 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: a hoax, then they did a pretty good job. Fool 417 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: of me, gotcha. 418 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's take another break and we'll come back 419 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about deciphering some of these nonverbal cues 420 00:21:44,720 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: right after this. All right, So language is a very 421 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: precise thing, or it should be or can be. Body 422 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: language would you would think is just all over the map, 423 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: But they're actually some categories that some brilliant social scientists 424 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: have come up with. Yeah, and I think they make sense. 425 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, basically that they've broken it down into five categories 426 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: or five types of nonverbal communication and body language. 427 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's emblems. It's like hanging a bird, yeah, or shaking. 428 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: Your fist or something like that, something that that is 429 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: very symbolic of something else that you can also put 430 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: into words, Right. 431 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: Who shakes a fist at someone? 432 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: Some people do, Okay, it's a good it's a it's 433 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: a good. 434 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it's that middle finger. And then you're 435 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: really that's very aggressive Okay, that's very aggressive. I'm just kidding. 436 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I never flick someone a bird. Oh really, Oh yeah, 437 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: like in a car or something. No way, Yeah, apparently 438 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: it's really dangerous. Yeah, and that's yeah, that's why I 439 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: do it. I think it's just I mean, I'll get mad. 440 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: I didn't say things, but I would never I don't 441 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: know who that person is. Yeah, it could be a psycho. Yeah. 442 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Then you're getting chased or you're getting shot at by 443 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: someone because you like you just had to shoot a bird. Yeah. 444 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: We talked about this in the road Rage episode. Yeah. 445 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hang people the bird, and that's not smart. 446 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: By the way, I want to update on that. I've 447 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: been improving more and more behaviorally. Oh yeah, even since 448 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: the road Range episode. And I was already on the 449 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: right path then. So you're doing good behind the wheelings 450 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: are doing so good. I feel like I'm about the same. Well, 451 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: you've always been that way, but I get mad. One 452 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: time you rode with me. I think it was the 453 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: first time you ever rode with me, and I started 454 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 2: yelling at somebody. You're like, uh, really, you seem genuinely surprised, 455 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, like, this is abnormal. 456 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: Well that was probably because you were like sending an 457 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: email with your left hand and driving with your knee 458 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: and had a coffee in the other. 459 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: I've gotten so much better. 460 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: That's good. It's because you value your life. 461 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: I do. 462 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: It's great emblems after emblems illustrators, which like shaking your 463 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: head as far as emphasis, if to emphasize something you're saying, right, like. 464 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: Like no, Sure you can just say no, but the 465 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: person's like, it doesn't really mean that until you shake 466 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: your head by you say no, especially slowly. Yeah, that 467 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: you're really saying like do not ask me again? 468 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, I never thought about that. The slow one 469 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: really does mean something different. It does. 470 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: It adds, it bulks it up, you. 471 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Know, regulators. I think this is in a conversation to 472 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: let someone else know that maybe all right, it's time 473 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: for you to talk now, or it's time for me. 474 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 2: To talk right, or it's time for us to stop talking, 475 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: like looking at your. 476 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Watch or just getting them walking away. That's yeah, that's 477 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: they language. Yeah, I guess it is. It definitely speaks volumes. 478 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: There's adapters, which I guess have to do with the 479 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: person listening or I guess anybody either one making themselves 480 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: more comfortable. Like you know, when you're in a conversation 481 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: with somebody and they just kind of shift in their 482 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: seat like settle in. 483 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now they could be doing it differently where they're fidgeting, 484 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: they're shifting in their seat uncomfortably, like they can't get comfortable. 485 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: That says something totally different than somebody who's just like 486 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: settling in, just making themselves more comfortable. 487 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: Right, Or I guess if you like, if you're having 488 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: a conversation and someone just sits up on the edge 489 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: of their seat, that kind of says we're done here sure, 490 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: like I'm about to get up, Yeah, so please say 491 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: something enclosure. 492 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you sigh while you do that too, 493 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: you know. 494 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 495 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 2: And then there's affect displays, And these are the ones 496 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: that most people think of when they think of body language. 497 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: These are the ones that you know, like where you 498 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: make that face when you eat something putrid, or your 499 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: shoulders go up around your ears when you're scared all 500 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: of a sudden. 501 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're mad. It's emotional based, Yeah, emotion. 502 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: Based, Yeah, like your eyebrows furrow. 503 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: Right. 504 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: There's just so much body language. I came across this 505 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: one guy from nineteen seventy eight and m Argyle no 506 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: idea what the M stands for. But in nineteen seventy eight, 507 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: Professor m Argyle, a researcher of body language, said that 508 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: there's probably something like seven hundred thousand words in the 509 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: body language human body language. I have no idea how 510 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: he or she came. 511 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: Up with that. That seems high, but it's fun to 512 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: throw out there. Junk science nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, you 513 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: could say anything back then as far as like social psychology. Yeah, 514 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: misinterpreting body languages, we talked a little bit about that. 515 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: That is very easy to do. They have one little 516 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: anecdotal story about a woman who was a consultant that 517 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: I think she was pitching him the CEO of a 518 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: big company, and the guy just sat there basically with 519 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: his arms crossed and didn't emote. At the end, was 520 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: just like thank you, and she thought, well, I've blown 521 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: this one, And turns out that is just the way 522 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: that guy is. He loved look at you. He loved 523 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: the presentation, and if he hadn't liked it, he just 524 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: would have left, is what the partner said. I think. Yeah, 525 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: so you can easily misinterpret body language. I don't know 526 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: if it's I guess it could be dangerous and that well, 527 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of the problem. It can be dangerous, 528 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: especially when you apply it to law enforcement. 529 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: Like Paul Eckman. We talked about him heavily in the 530 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: micro Expressions episode because he basically studied micro expressions through 531 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: facial movement, facial muscle movement, and figured out what each 532 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: one meant, and he came up with the Facial action 533 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: Coding System the FACS, which apparently the FBI and other 534 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies used to tell whether you're lying or 535 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: you're hiding something in an interrogation. Misreading that that's that's 536 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: when it becomes dangerous for sure. 537 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude I was talking about Joe Navarro, who 538 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: was a twenty five year of veut of the FBI. 539 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: He's written a lot about body language, and he's one 540 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: of the ones that warns about the myths and misreading things. 541 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: But he wrote a whole article on shoulders and he 542 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: said everyone's always talking about the face and facial expressions. 543 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: He thinks you can read a lot into the shoulders 544 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: of a person, whether it's slumping or bowing up or 545 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: and then he actually talked to criminals over his entire 546 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: career and said, what do you look for in a victim? 547 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: So if you're looking to not be victimized, you might 548 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: want to avoid these things looking frail or weak or 549 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: not athletic. 550 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, work out, yeah, or just you know, try. 551 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: And carry yourself like you're not frail or weak, you know. 552 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot to do with the shoulders. 553 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: Situational awareness, which is a big one. Yeah, if you 554 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: just look like you have your head in the clouds, 555 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: that's one for me a target, Yeah, what you're in 556 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: your head about something? Sure? Yeah. Uh. And then the 557 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: way someone swings their arms like vigorously or real subdued, 558 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: not at all like on that one episode the Box, 559 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah that was was that Roquel Welch, No, it was, well, yeah, 560 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: it ended up as Roquel Welch, but it was Molly Shannon. 561 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, remember she like swept Yeah what 562 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: Elaine's desk is clean man? Yeah Shannon, And she's one 563 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: of my favorites. Yeah, she's fantastic. So what was Yeah 564 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: the arm swing and basically, uh, what these criminals would 565 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: say to him over and over is you know there 566 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: the silver backs don't go after other silverbacks. They go 567 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: after the weak ones. And they said, it's the same 568 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: with criminals. So I keep those shoulders straight. And I 569 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: was like, what's the silverback? I forgot? 570 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: That sounds like a criminal corporate buzz speak. Yeah, you 571 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: know it's over becks. That's the local soccer team. How 572 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 2: do you not know what that is? 573 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: Is it? 574 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: Sure? 575 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: That is what I thought? Yeah? Uh? What else we got? Oh, 576 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: these these people that try and coach you, we're gonna 577 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: mention them nutjobs. I don't think they're nut jobs, dude. 578 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: Okay. One, the one person who emerges a hero from 579 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: this article says, be very careful in trying to pay 580 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: attention to your body language and speak consciously through it, 581 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: because you're going to you're gonna have massive problems. Yeah, 582 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: that's not what body language is intended for. So the 583 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: people who say no, master your body language and use 584 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 2: it to communicate. Yeah, you're gonna come off as a creep, right, 585 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: an aggressive, weirdo corporate creep if you do that. 586 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, if you're making a presentation, it's 587 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: hard enough to get the words right. Yeah, So if 588 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: you start thinking like about every single movement you make 589 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah that conveys. Yeah, I don't I agree. I don't 590 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: think you're doing yourself any favors or like if. 591 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: You go to you again a car sales car lot, right, yeah, 592 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm going to make sure I look 593 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: very defensive and aggressive. So I'm going to go rigid 594 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: and my shoulders are going to go up right. The 595 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: car sales is going to be like that guy's walking 596 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: like a robot, I'm going to take him for a ride. 597 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: You know, there's you just you could conceivably speak through 598 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: your body language more. I don't dispute that. Right, you 599 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: can become more aware of your natural body language too, 600 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't dispute that either. But when you focus on 601 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 2: it and use it as a technique to manipulate other people, yeah, 602 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,719 Speaker 2: I have issues with that. 603 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: Well, here was one idea I didn't think was terrible, 604 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Like if you're if you do a lot of public speaking, 605 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: then maybe watching yourself with the sound off. 606 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: Sure. I didn't disagree with that on anything. 607 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: That's not a terrible idea. 608 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as a matter of fact, I was like, 609 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: maybe maybe I should try that. 610 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: No, don't bet that. The other technique that was brought 611 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: up was called mirroring. That means, and this just sounds 612 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: crazy to me. This is when you actually try and 613 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: mimic the person you're talking to, mimic their body language 614 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: expressions too, I guess, to. 615 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: Make them feel more comfortable to you. People are attracted 616 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: to themselves as the basis of it, Okay, so when 617 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: you mimic them, they feel more relaxed around you, Like 618 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: I really like that person. I like the cut of 619 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: their jib. I don't know, I can't put my finger 620 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: on it. But they're actually mimicking your own body language. 621 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: If you're leaning leaning against the wall, they're going to 622 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: lean against the wall too. 623 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: That's disconcerting, it is, that's nuts. 624 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: You shouldn't do that to people. That's manipulative and weird, 625 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: and it just be yourself. How about that? 626 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this quote sums it up. I'm trying 627 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: to learn. I'm trying. Sorry, Trying to use body language 628 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: by reading a body language dictionary is like trying to 629 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: speak French by reading a French dictionary. So you can 630 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: list off all the nonverbal cues in the world. But 631 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: if you try and learn the body language quote unquote 632 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: because of that, then you're just gonna end up confused 633 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: or you're going to miss something actually said. 634 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. And plus also context is huge too, Like if 635 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: you're just watching somebody's body language like a hawk and 636 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: a conversation, yeah, you don't necessarily know that person's baseline. 637 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: So what is by definition of this body language dictionary, 638 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: a red flag? Doesn't necessarily mean it's a red flag 639 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: with that person, you know, like if they're yawning, are 640 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 2: they bored or are they nervous? 641 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: Right? 642 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: You got to have contexts and you can't just you 643 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: can't just read people like that. 644 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: It's stupid. 645 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: Go with your gut, sure, but I don't think you 646 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: should actively try to read it. If you want to 647 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: go ahead, I don't care. I'm not going to. 648 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: I did read an article with one woman who was 649 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: an expert supposedly, and she did talk a lot about 650 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: the baseline. She's like, that's the most important thing is 651 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: you don't know. You got to know how someone normally is. 652 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: Are they twitchy? Yeah? Then if you're they're twitching a conversation, 653 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: that's normal for them. 654 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: Right, So it doesn't mean that you can't trust what 655 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: they're saying, right then, it just means that they're. 656 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: A little awkward. Yeah, like me, You're not awkward. Are 657 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: you got anything else? Nope? 658 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: Friends, that is body language, and if you want to 659 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 2: know more about it, you can type these words body 660 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: language into the search bar at house stuff works dot com. 661 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,479 Speaker 2: And since I said friends, it's time for listener mail. 662 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: This is this is a question. Actually I said we'd 663 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: answer on the air. Hey, guys, been listening for quite 664 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: a few years, and you've seen me through a lot 665 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: of years of growth out of high school and into 666 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: my own as an adult. A question that's been a 667 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: challenge for me recently. I'm studying permaculture quite intensively, and 668 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: parts of the study are pretty depressing, like climate change, 669 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: species lost, and unfair trade. I try to reflect positives 670 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: only to my clients who are trying to grow their 671 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: own food, because I'd rather encourage them to sustain themselves 672 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: physically and emotionally than feel guilted or trapped into changing 673 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: a lifestyle, realize that having the opportunity and time to 674 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: focus on ethical choices to the luxury, and want to 675 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: avoid shaming people. I think this approach is good for 676 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: my own well being, because tackling issues bigger than myself 677 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: seems more harmful than productive. But like you, part of 678 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: my job is education. So the question is how do 679 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: you guys deal with darker topics that you cover. I 680 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: really appreciate the way you do it, and I would 681 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: like some insight and advice how you prevent these topics 682 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: from weighing too heavily on you and still live a 683 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: life of enjoyment yet conveying topics honestly. And that is 684 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: from Annales in Australia, nice ew. I think my answer is, 685 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: like when we cover something like dementia or HIV like 686 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: we recently did, we're always going to have humor in there, 687 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: respectfully and in the right ways, because that's what we do. 688 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: Plus also that helps when we're getting this stuff across. 689 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like we're causing dementia. We're 690 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: just saying, like, here's all the information that we found 691 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: on this, here's everything you need to know about dementia. 692 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: And I think the thing that allows us to go 693 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: from you know, lighthearted topic to a very dark topic 694 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: to whatever is that we're putting it out there as 695 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 2: objectively as possible or as unbiased as possible, trying to 696 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: we're not passing much judgment on it depending on the topic, 697 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 2: but for the most part, we don't really pass too 698 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: much judgment on it, and I think that that allows 699 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: us to talk about anything. 700 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as far as taking it home, if we 701 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: do something that's a big bummer that it really impacts me, 702 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: it'll bump me out for sure. Yeah. But just like 703 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: anything else, I think knowledge is key to the more 704 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: you know about something, the less scared you might be 705 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: a bit. 706 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just go work it out, you know. 707 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: Good answer. 708 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great answer to you too. If you 709 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: want to get in touch with Chuck or Me or 710 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: Jerry or anybody who we could conceivably pass a message 711 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 2: along too, right, Yeah, you can send us an email 712 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: to Stuff podcast that House, Stuffworks dot com and as always, 713 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: joined us at our home on the web, Stuff Youshould 714 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: Know dot com Radio. 715 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 716 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: more podcasts Myheart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 717 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.