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Speaker 1: this week and we're at elk camp. We've been chasing

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Speaker 1: We've we've known each other for a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: Um Colby, the bar Tech more head, he's always back there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Bryce. Uh, I should introduce Joe before I interest you,

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Speaker 1: in the Missouri breaks. No. Um, So Joe, you worked

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Speaker 1: And uh, at one point we were moving Camp on

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Speaker 1: say hi Bryce. Now you're a you're a physicians assistant

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Speaker 1: in Bozeman, Montema. I am working at the Urgent Karen Town. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: chasing cats and running down dogs right on, right on? Well,

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Speaker 1: Ben uh described wait wait, wait, don't forget sorry Buddy

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Speaker 1: Bear John Newcomb say hello, Hello, Bear is my fourteen

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Speaker 1: like a middle it looks like a middle finger. H

423
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm I'm Turkey's is the answer. And

424
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: that's not close. But Elk are like moving towards the top,

425
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, are definitely number two, but they've got some similarities. Yeah,

426
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: there really other than bigger game turkey hunting. What's that now,

427
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: you're like you said, you're like sheep more than elk.

428
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: They don't even do anything. Have you ever been in

429
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: the mountains and heard rams butt heads? Yeah, I've seen

430
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: is amazing. They do that once every they're they're just

431
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: stuck up there and they can really Yeah, that's the

432
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: people because they live in cool country, but they can't

433
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: get down. They're stuck up there. They're lazy. They barely

434
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: even move, like most of them blind in one eye,

435
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: like they can't. Hey, I like where you're A sheep

436
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: hunt would be a slower paced hunt. It would be

437
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: more like strategy and trying to find as opposed to

438
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: just like run and gun. If you could distill it

439
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: down to that something that's simple and honestly, that's what

440
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: I like about spring bear hunting is it's like you

441
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: may only see one bear the whole week, but and

442
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be chasing bear every day. But actually

443
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: that's what I enjoy about it. So like, yeah, I

444
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: would describe sheephunny. I thought, I'm not that I wouldn't

445
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: go if you guys offered me a trip. I would

446
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: definitely go, but I just think he's like, here's she hunting.

447
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: In my experience with other folks doing it, climb, climb, climb,

448
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: this is it's amazing country. It's hard to get there.

449
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: We finally crashed the summit. We look around, we find

450
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: a sheep we can actually kill, and then we walk

451
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: over there and shoot it while it's munching some grass.

452
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Like the actual hunting of the animal is only difficult

453
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: because of the country that lives in, and of course

454
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: they have great vision since it's selling all that. Like

455
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: everything else, it is kind of a do or die

456
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: um hunt. And I'm talking about hunt I've never done.

457
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: So you take that for both of you guys who

458
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: are talking about hunts you've never done. Yeah, we but

459
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: it's like hunts we've dreamed of, and there's there's a

460
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of Like an elk hunt

461
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: is kind of like pizza m okay, Like, think about

462
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: the attitude you'd be in if you were, like, you

463
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: know what, tonight, we're getting pizza. You would kind of

464
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: be like kind of like exciting um variety in like

465
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: a big horn sheep hunt would be like, you know what,

466
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: we're going out to help me, Chris, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

467
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: we're both of them are great, all dressed up for

468
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: a lesser experience. Rice, what's your favorite thing hunt? Oh man,

469
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: I think if you were to tell me right now

470
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: there's a hug and bull over the ridge or a

471
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: fresh cat track, I think i'd be uh dumping dogs

472
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: on that cat track? Yeah good? Yeah, but um outside

473
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: that mule deer. I love watching mule here in the

474
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: rut um. To me, that's one of the one of

475
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: my favorite things too, to get after and watch. I

476
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: think it's more a little bit more of an exciting

477
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: um hunter outher than just you know, your first light

478
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: and last light, umka, because you're the animals during the

479
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: day when they're bedded, because you can see them and

480
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: find them. Yeah, just a little bit more patternable and uh,

481
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: I think you'd see a lot more animals. But yeah,

482
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: probably probably meal deer or chasing cats. Nice nice fair

483
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: favorite species? Um I would say turkeys if we had

484
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: more of them, but I've only been on like one

485
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: turkey for real, But I think probably squirrel hunting right here, buddy, Ye,

486
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: you've raised this trial correctly. I'm kind of teeing you

487
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: up for this with dogs or without dogs? With dogs? Question?

488
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: See that see that full elkhorn. We also have a

489
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: full set of sheds. That elkhorn represents your spirit right now,

490
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: while you're talking about squirrel hunting full this is broken

491
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: because of elkinna favorite species. I don't know, I mean

492
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: for me, it's all like it changes with seasons. I know,

493
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: growing up it was like hog hunting or duck hunting. Uh,

494
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: coble came from East Texas, so they were white tail

495
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, I'm really enjoying bear hunting, especially like

496
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: the stuff with mules in Montana like that was that

497
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: was a really fun hunt a spring bear, not like

498
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: hasn't been as happy with fall bear. Yeah. You know,

499
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: when we go back to Arkansas, we're coming up on

500
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: like the pinnacle of our year, which is the opening

501
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: of the Arkansas bear season. Um. And I'll tell you

502
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: guys a little story or a little scenario that's been

503
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: happening while we're here. So my buddy James Lawrence, he's

504
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: seventy two. James is seventy two, and me and him

505
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: are like we're like best buddies bear hunting buddies. He

506
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: lives in some really good country and um he uh,

507
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: he lives in good bear country. He knew that I

508
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: was gonna be on this hunt, so he's been baiting

509
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: bears for me, and he actually rented a cabin down

510
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: where we hunt for my whole family to come stay

511
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: this upcoming weekend to bear hunt. And while we were gone,

512
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: my daughter drove my daughter and other son on their

513
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: own accord drove two hours down to where we hunt

514
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: to go bait bears with James. So I thought that

515
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: was pretty cool that my seventeen year old daughter. She

516
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: worked hard for it too. She her mom. There was

517
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: some child logistical challenges and so but she ended up

518
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: driving all the way down there and spent the whole

519
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: day with James baton bears along with my younger son.

520
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: So we're getting pumped for this weekend for bear Camp

521
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: fall bear Camp, and it's it's fun man. We uh,

522
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: we have some we have some good bears too. But

523
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: if I were to pick my favorite species, um, you know,

524
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: bear would have to be up there at the top.

525
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: But white tail, I mean I grew up whitetail hunting

526
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: and um that was I mean, that was all we did.

527
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: White tails and you know small game and stuff. Um,

528
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you know lk cutting is so it's

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: so um. It's such a glamorous animal. I mean, there's

530
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: no denying, like and that's why I'm here. It's a

531
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: spectacular beast, man. I mean this, you know, like Ben's

532
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: called the forest horse, you know. But they the vocalizations,

533
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: they make, the places they live, the antler structure, I mean,

534
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: how good the meat is. I mean, it's an incredible beast,

535
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: no doubt. And the media has glamorized elk hunting so

536
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: much that US poor Southern boys come up here and

537
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: try to kill elk and it's tough. They didn't tell me, Joe.

538
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: When it all comes together, it's it's pretty special. Well listen,

539
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: you just said, I'm I'm monologue in here. But that's

540
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: what's messed up about this whole deal. Elk hunting stinks

541
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: for such a long period of time that when you

542
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: kill one, it's really great. I I can foresee that,

543
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: Like if I killed that would be like I love

544
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: elkhonney more than anything, but it's only great because of

545
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: how bad it was. Tell me how that works, Joe,

546
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, for real, I think it was if it

547
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 1: was easy then, so, but so something is great because

548
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: of how Yeah, because it's the it's the suffering. Like

549
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: it's just like going on a a nasty trip saying

550
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: like like climbing Mount Everest. You know, it's not fun

551
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: while you're doing it, but you look back and you're like,

552
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: oh man, that was amazing. And I always kind of

553
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: model my life when I'm doing stuff like that. It's like,

554
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go climbing out, might as well go climb Everest.

555
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: So I come and do something easy, Go give yourself

556
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: that challenge. It will be a more memorable experience. How

557
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: much respect would you have for Elk if you drove

558
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: all the way out here from Arkansas, get to camp,

559
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: get out of your pickup, grab your bow and shooting out,

560
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: then you'd be like, man, these animals are the are

561
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: the easiest things ever to speak? Gross shot? Yeah, yeah, no,

562
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: I know. It's it's that way with every hunt. You know,

563
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: the amount of work you put into it, it's what

564
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: gives it value. And I understand that. I mean, like,

565
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: even though we haven't you know, I mean, I think

566
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: this has been a great hunt. We've had bowls every day. Okay,

567
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: y'all tell me why it's been a great hunt man.

568
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Me and Joe were on bulls and bowls, buglin. Every

569
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: day big bulls run around. I've never been to a

570
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: place where I've seen so many big bulls, Like I've

571
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: seen a lot of big bulls in my past few

572
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: ELK seasons, but never all at the same time in

573
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: the same place. Like I might see one, you know,

574
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: really big three fifty bowl once a season, You're like, wow,

575
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: that was a big bowl. But I mean every bowl

576
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: we've seen out here, besides one that I can think of,

577
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: win over three fifty. Like, there's no doubt in my

578
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: mind that every single bowl that I have laid eyes on,

579
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: besides the one that we jumped at five yards that

580
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: you should have shot the head through my head. I

581
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: should have shot through it. We're gonna have to get

582
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: to our Bryce is ums later. He should never should

583
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: never take my health and safety before. But I mean, like,

584
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: every bowl besides that one have just been absolutely huge.

585
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean the first morning I got here, we run out,

586
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: send you guys after a bugle. Bryce and I take

587
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: off chasing another bugle, which is already like that's a

588
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: great day right there. You know you got two different

589
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: bulls bugle and you're choosing what bugles you're gonna run after?

590
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: What it's not even when it's not even shooting ight yet.

591
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Right out of camp, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

592
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: So that was great, And I mean we take off,

593
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: we run over ridges, literally run over ridges, and all

594
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like we jumped two spikes in the bottom,

595
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: so we slowed down for a minute and we're like, man,

596
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't those spikes beugly? There's no way, And we

597
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: see one of the spikes let out a bugle, like

598
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: just as the whimpy little bugle, and it was like, yeah,

599
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't them trying to And all of a sudden,

600
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: we hear this big bugle and Brice and I both

601
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: look at each other like it wasn't spike. And coming

602
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: over the ridge, it's just there's this little funnel of

603
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: five cows and this screaming behind him, just just letting

604
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: it all out, and I just see antlers coming over Raginal.

605
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's a big bull. It's a really

606
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: big bull. And then the whole hunt just like was

607
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: modeled after that. Every time I laid eyes on bulls

608
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: like they were just huge. Well that was a joke

609
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: before you guys got here that, you know. The first

610
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: day we were in a different area, I moved spots

611
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: to see if we couldn't get on more elk, and man,

612
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: right away, I'm on one of the biggest bulls I've

613
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: ever seen. Miss him. But the next morning, get up,

614
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: um bulls bugling everywhere, Get on. It was a little

615
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: bit behind another seven by seven and his cows, and

616
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: kind of just crept and followed them all the way

617
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: up the mountain. Next thing you know, I'm you know,

618
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: eighty yards from them, and my wind had been good

619
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: the whole time, and snuck in to make my kind

620
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: of my final approach, and they blew out pretty hard

621
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: because when switched in their little thermal pattern. But then

622
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the next bull after that I saw, I was another

623
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: seven by seven, And the first four bowls I've I've

624
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: seen were all seven's. And that was kind of the joke,

625
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: was that seven by seven? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's one

626
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: thing we were saying, Look, what kind of elk hunting

627
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: is this? I said, it's hard. It's it's you know,

628
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: harder maybe than others, easier than some you know, However,

629
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: I haven't put in all the elk in all of places,

630
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: but this definitely the reward would be bigger here than

631
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: most places, Like you have the opportunity to kill a

632
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: giant elk here where we are sitting right now, which

633
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: no one will ever know about. But um, it's it's

634
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: tough hunting, but you know, if you can figure them

635
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: out and get lucky, we'll see here. And you guys

636
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: say this is it's calibrating me because you know this

637
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: is my second, my second hunt. Baron. I went to

638
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Colorado last year, just three weeks before season, decided we

639
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: were gonna be elk hunters. Never blown an out call,

640
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: picked up a bugle call from a bugle tube from Phelps,

641
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and some diaphragm calls. And I was a pretty good

642
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: turkey collar, so the diaphragm worked pretty good for me.

643
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: We bombed out to a guy just said go here,

644
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good elk hunter just said general area. He

645
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: just said go to this spot and you ought to

646
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: find out. Said okay. We went out there, Oh kind of.

647
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: We were only there four and a half days, but

648
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: we we ended up finding some elk. Had one encounter

649
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: with with with two Raghorn Bulls called them in ended

650
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: up passing them. Everybody's heard this story. We ended up

651
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: passing them because we thought they weren't legal. Turns out

652
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: they were legal. So I had the and I missed opportunity.

653
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: But other than that, I've had very This is only

654
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: my second time Elk County, so it helps me to

655
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: hear you guys talk about really how great this is.

656
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: And obviously I'm I'm joking about, you know, not liking

657
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: elk hunting. But the one thing that is, and this

658
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: is probably something that like new hunters would experience and

659
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I would be new into this world, is after you've

660
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: done something and been successful multiple times in multiple places

661
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: over multiple years, you begin to have this like equation

662
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: inside of you that this much work will usually equate

663
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: to success and you can bank on that. So in

664
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: all that work, I mean, that's the way it is

665
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: with my white tail honey, with my bear hunting, with

666
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: my squirrel hunting, with my training coon dogs, It's like,

667
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: if I just put this time in, it's gonna end

668
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: up fruitful. I don't know that equation yet with Elk.

669
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I've got one piece from last year when Baron I

670
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: hunted I've got a new piece that I hoped would

671
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: be the piece that would put some elk in my freezer.

672
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: And we've still got a day left, so it may

673
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: yet um. But it turns out this puzzle might be

674
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: bigger than I thought, voice might made more pieces. What

675
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: do you think it might be a thousand piece puzzle, man,

676
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't have a thousand

677
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: elk hunts man. Well, here's what happens is sometimes you

678
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: you're looking at trying to put this puzzle together, and

679
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: you walk out in the woods, you make a sound,

680
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: elk comes running and you shoot it, and it seems

681
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: like the easiest thing in the world. Now, everybody who's

682
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: listening to this, who's ever turkey hunt it will understand

683
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Because if you get some swamp god,

684
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: whether it's stuck back in some swamp in Louisiana or

685
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, probably in Arkansas or in a place where

686
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: he just doesn't he is not going to do what

687
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: you wanted to do. You have to have the next

688
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: level of you know, experience to know what to do

689
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: when you're presented with, you know, an animal that's wary

690
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: of your stuff, that's gonna help me with the next

691
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: puzzle piece. Absolutely, And like I said, I've had I

692
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: had a friend, you know, co worker this year who

693
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: just walked out on the ridge and went and elk

694
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: granted and it shot it and then it was over.

695
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: I had just been that rich three hours prior, doing

696
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the same noise and the same exact way he was.

697
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: And so the fact that he killed that he should

698
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: split that up. Yeah, because he I pretty much called

699
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: it half of the way in and then he brought

700
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: it the rest of the way, you know. So I

701
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: told him, I said, that is just you being there

702
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: and that elk being there and at the right time.

703
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: And you know, I had hunted that spot for five

704
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: days and he came in for one day. That's what

705
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: I felt like. I mean, I know I'm not a

706
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: good elk hunter. Um, I'm proficient at getting around the

707
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: back country and understanding stuff people tell me and trying

708
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: to execute it in the field. But I was still

709
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: banking on that if I just worked really hard for

710
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: seven days, I'd get lucky if nothing else, you know

711
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, because every time you pop

712
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: over one of these little ridges, you know, at about

713
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before dark, You're like, this is the time

714
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: we're about to get lucky. Slap Bear on the shoulder

715
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: and say get be ready, buddy, and you pop over

716
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: the ridge and like, why isn't there you know, a

717
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: raghorn bull feeding down there with a cow ats, you know,

718
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: fifty yards It just didn't happen. Well, the frustrating part is,

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, some somebody else might come up here tomorrow

720
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: while you're here, or the next day, or Thursday or

721
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Friday or Saturday, and to to walk on the exact

722
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: same riginal where you were today, do the exact same

723
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: thing that you did in exact same proficiency and kill

724
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: an elk. And that's where the randomness and the luck

725
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and all those other factors come into play. And that's

726
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: where just endurance and persistence ultimately end up winning. Yeah.

727
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I told you earlier today. In

728
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: all my hunting where I have been successful, it's not

729
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: necessarily that I was good. It's just that I lasted

730
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: longer then. Yeah, some of my some of other people

731
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: and they might say, man Clay was a good hunter,

732
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, well, I just lasted a little

733
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: bit longer. What do you guys think you're the editor

734
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: Peterson's hunting, you need to have the answers. What what

735
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: do you think? I totally agree is it's time. It's

736
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: time in the field if you are able, like I

737
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: would love to stay here for five more days in

738
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: granting this out until there's a bowl on the ground,

739
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, And do do I know that there'd be

740
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: a bowl on the ground in five days? No? But

741
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: do I know that I would walk twenty miles every

742
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: day and work really hard at it. Yeah. And as

743
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: long as you're in the field, you're learning these animals,

744
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: you're understanding their behaviors and like the terrain that you're

745
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: working with and the funky win that we keep getting.

746
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: When you're in the field and you're working with it

747
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: and you're learning it and you spend the time necessary,

748
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: that's when you find that success because it's all about

749
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: spending the time that you need to be out there.

750
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, for us, we're lucky because we can

751
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: go back to Bosman and come back out here next

752
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: weekend if we wanted to, which gives us the opportunity

753
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: to learn it instants throughout the throughout the season instead

754
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: of we have to come here and sit here for

755
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: fifteen days and learn it all at once. Just imagine

756
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: if you came out here every year and you knew

757
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: by the elk core and you walked over there and

758
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: killed one every time. That would be a completely different experience.

759
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: You wouldn't It wouldn't need near as enjoyable as it

760
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: is having to grind it out. I just wouldn't be.

761
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: I'd say it's also pretty tough if you're saying I mean,

762
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: if you say, hey, you only have seven days to

763
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: hunt elk, and that is how your season is going

764
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: to go. I've killed elk, but I've also spent a

765
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: heck of a lot more than I hunted. I only

766
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: usually only work like three days a week, and I

767
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: probably hunted almost every day off from September to November

768
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: and ended up killing a big bowl last week a

769
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: season with my rifle. Didn't you say it was like

770
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: fifty something days. I don't know about fifty, but it

771
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of days I put in. I put

772
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: in a lot of work for that for that bowl,

773
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of opportunities, messed up on

774
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities, but I put in a lot

775
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: more than seven days been the season to get that

776
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: bowl on the ground. Yeah, so I think they only

777
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: have seven days. It doesn't make it any easier only

778
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: and doesn't make it any less frustrating. Yeah, you know,

779
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: I want to tell you something that I observed about

780
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: all of you guys that it did not surprise me,

781
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: but um kind of learning, Um, how generous all you

782
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: guys were, all of you with uh you know, kind

783
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: of this elk camp philosophy. Like Bryce came in and

784
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: he didn't know us either, and I mean he was

785
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: sharing his spots, and you did a great job of articulating, um,

786
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, just what you thought the elk we're doing

787
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: and you just kinda I appreciated that and just sharing

788
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: spots and not that I've I mean, when i'm hunting somebody,

789
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not withholding information from I'm not saying that,

790
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: But when you're elk hunting, I don't know, it's different

791
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: than whitetail. Honey. If this was a white tail camp

792
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: back you know, and wherever in the Midwest, Um, you know,

793
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: you almost have to do it solo, like if your

794
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: tree stand in and it's like this guy's going here,

795
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: this guy's going here. But with Al County a lot

796
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: of times, it's better to be in teams, uh, for

797
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: calling purposes. For honestly, I think a lot of it

798
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: is for mental purposes. I think having a buddy there

799
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: that you can enjoy the experience with helps you grind

800
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: a little bit harder. I mean, I've been analyzing this.

801
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: It's like, why do they why are they going together?

802
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: Why don't they split up? I think you go together

803
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: because you like it, because you enjoy being together, you

804
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: enjoy hunting together, and uh and and probably you can

805
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: do better as a team. And I realized the calling

806
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: aspects of a team. You know, you can put somebody

807
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: up front and somebody further back. But uh, but now,

808
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: just like with I mean all you guys, like y'all

809
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: were putting me out front a lot of times. Um,

810
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: you drove a lot further than we didn't. Well, and

811
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: that's I appreciate that, I truly do. But I like

812
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: that aspect of it. So much of the hunting that

813
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: I do, it's kind of solo, you know. Um, and

814
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: even like bear hunting, like on a spring bear hunt,

815
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Like if we this were a spring bear camp, we

816
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be hunting together. I mean it'd be like you

817
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: go to that drainage. You go to that drainage, and

818
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: but l hunting kind of has a neat thing about it,

819
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: which maybe is so normal to you guys. But and

820
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: Ben is just you know, the last couple of days,

821
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: he's just been like, Clay, you to come with me,

822
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: and so I'll go and and it's been good. I've

823
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: been learning a ton from Ben. So I like hunting

824
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: with Pete. I'm not a solo hunter. There's a lot

825
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: of people that are that like to be by themselves.

826
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to go out. Um, I'm just not. And

827
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: I can explain it in a lot of ways, but

828
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, I like being with other

829
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: people and sharing that knowledge. And I just that's that

830
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: gets me out of bed more than going up by

831
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: myself and being alone and catching the solitude. I just

832
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: that's not something I need. For something that is I

833
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: would And I was trying to describe this or earlier.

834
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: I love people. I love being around people. I enjoy

835
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: people's other people's success, Like I think that's a big

836
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: part of being a good human is doing that. But

837
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to hunting, I usually I am find

838
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: myself like gravitating towards isolation and actual hunting. Like, and

839
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I'm not sharing spots. It doesn't mean

840
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it translates necessarily to being stingy or something,

841
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: but like it's like, you go that way, I'll go

842
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: this way. I appreciated I could tell that Ben that,

843
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: like you didn't want me to go with you to

844
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: help you because I didn't have anything to offer, and

845
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: I knew you wanted to kill an elk, and I

846
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: knew that if I went with you, there was probably

847
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: a fair chance that I'd be the one shooting. So

848
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: I didn't want to push that on you. But our

849
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: time together was valuable. I learned a ton from you.

850
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: I wish I could have hunted with you guys a

851
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: little bit more or or at all. I mean I

852
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: heard your stories and heard your commentary on your hunts,

853
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: which is really valuable to me. But uh, anyway, yeah,

854
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for sure, when you think about

855
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: elk hunting tactically, it's better to be have someone else

856
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: there so you can have a call, or you have

857
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: somebody to be stopping around the background where you can

858
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: trees doing anything it takes to get that elk all

859
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: the way in there. I mean that is absolutely tactically

860
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: uh an advantage that you would want. And so you know,

861
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: those two things combined, you like, you might as well

862
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: just do it um and and certainly being able to

863
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: if you want to get to know somebody and you

864
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: value them, go in the woods with them. And if

865
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you start arguing over stuff and you start not one

866
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: person wants to drive the conversation. The other person doesn't

867
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: want to listen or vice a versus somebody who's just

868
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna find somebody's a follower, somebody's a leader. If you

869
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: really want to get to know somebody and whether you

870
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: could be friends with them or you want to spend

871
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: time around them, take them out in the woods, take

872
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: them out elk Hunton. Because one person is going to

873
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: going to go up the ridge, one person is want

874
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: to go down. One person might want to be cautious,

875
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: one person might want to run in. That's it's a

876
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: good way to to really, you know said how much

877
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: you can stand each other for sure, that's the capacities

878
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: of your relationship. Really it is, yeah, man, And that's

879
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: not the reason you do it, but that's something you

880
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: find out about yourself. You know, how can you communicate

881
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: with another person in these oft intense situations. And also,

882
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm being giving by bringing someone

883
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: along that's probably gonna shoot the elk and I'm probably not.

884
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: I want to see an elk die. I've never called

885
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: in an elk for another person. I've called an elk

886
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: and never gotten shot, but I've never called in an elk.

887
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: That's someone that has running and been shot by someone else.

888
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: I would value that as much as I would have

889
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: dead bull by my arrow. It's the same as if

890
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: if Joe would have shot shot a bull next to me,

891
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: I would have been just as excited for him, and

892
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: I would be a filer shot it. And I know

893
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: that Joe woul feel the same way. And that's why

894
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: it's fun to hunt. Man that that right there is

895
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: the is the qualifying factor for people that you want

896
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: to hunt with. I don't want to hunt with someone

897
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: that if I shoot something, they're piste off and run

898
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: the other direction and say that should have been mine. Yeah,

899
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: you know you always find that with duck hunting. When

900
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: you're in a there's four people in a blind and

901
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: the bunch of ducks come in and you shoot two

902
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: and then it's always like I got that, when I

903
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: got that, and I'm like, we got up some ducks. Yeah, man,

904
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who got the ducks. It matters that

905
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: the ducks are on the ground. Let's shoot. Our alignment

906
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: will divide them up. Um. That's how it often happens

907
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: in that situation. There's no way to know who shot

908
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: what in some of those volleys. But it's same here.

909
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: You there's a you know, five of us or four

910
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: of us with tags here in this tent. One of

911
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: us shooting a bull. To me would have been I

912
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: would have probably told the story like it was me

913
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: clip there was Clay and he was I would have

914
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: told it like it was me and been. I wouldn't

915
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: have been like, oh yeah, buddy, and camp got one.

916
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: I would have told the story as if our camp

917
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: got our camp got our team got one, our camp

918
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: got one, because that's what matters. Broken. I'm gonna say

919
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: our team got a broken had our spirits broken it.

920
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: This whole experience has been super valuable. Whe there any

921
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: of us killed, elk or not. I think we all

922
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: came in here with expectations that we would do better

923
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: than we did. Probably you think you always do right.

924
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: You got to Hey, you have to come in thinking

925
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: that you're gonna find the successor what's the point in

926
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: going if you know you're not going to kill something.

927
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: We had our I mean, I couldn't ask for anymore.

928
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: I had a shot. I was the only one that

929
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: that had that. But I had a shot, and it

930
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: was this could have killed a cow. Yeah, could have

931
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: killed like ten cows and a couple of elve spikes. Okay,

932
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: we'll see now. I had probably the best shot of

933
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: the trip, Like I could have killed that three twenty bowl.

934
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: You know, I had him dead to right, except Bryce's

935
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: head was in the way. Okay, yeah, that's right. He

936
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: was wondering why I wasn't shooting, and I had a

937
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: narrow knocked but wasn't it full draw? Because he was

938
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: just blow this little bluff. And I knew he was

939
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: somewhere around there, but I couldn't see him. And Joe

940
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: was about ten yards behind me higher up. So from

941
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: his perspective, if I have this six by six bull

942
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: probably about three um at fifteen yards, standing perfectly broadside

943
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not drawing my bow, I mean, he stood

944
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: there for it seemed like forever. It was probably forty

945
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: five seconds, but it was long enough. So like when

946
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: we first when he first got bumped, like I saw

947
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the antlers, Cow called to him, he stopped perfectly and

948
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: like he didn't get our wind or anything like, he

949
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: just stopped, looked back and like he he stopped in

950
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: the perfect spot where his view was kind of hidden

951
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: by a tree. So he stayed longer. And Uh, I

952
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: had time enough to pull my range finder out of

953
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: its pouch, range him twenty five, put it back in,

954
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: knock an arrow for myself and look back at Bryce

955
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: and go, why isn't he shooting? And the whole time

956
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm wondering why he Joe wasn't shooting because I know

957
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: I can't see him, and I don't want to move

958
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: out and bump him because I figured Joe as a shot,

959
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: but Joe was being he was taking safety. Yeah, I

960
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: would have my pin like head maybe like a couple

961
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: of inches off to the left, So I figured that wasn't,

962
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, a good shot to take. But when you

963
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: start talking about all the chances that we had, you know,

964
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: and and I had one fair opportunity at at Cow's

965
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: and some spikes, uh, and I didn't push it I

966
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: felt like I could have got within bow range of them,

967
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: you know, is that more? And I stalked down and

968
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: I think the closest I got was a hundred and

969
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight yards, but we were intentionally standing back because

970
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: we felt like there was a bull gonna be coming

971
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: any second if had I targeted that elk, which I

972
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: would today like today, if I see a cow elk,

973
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like going after it like it's a

974
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: boot and carget bowl. Um. You know, I feel like

975
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: I could have got within bow range of those elks.

976
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: So boy, it's not been for for lack of seeing animals. Um,

977
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: lots of opportunity and lots of effort. So I mean,

978
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: what more can you ask of a hunting camp than that?

979
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: Lots of opportunity and lots of effort. Yeah, the opportunity

980
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: thing is important because I've been in places where, you know,

981
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: even traveling talk about like transient hunting, like going to

982
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: an outfitter or I went one time, went to Newfoundland

983
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: and the outfiter said, he said, what do you want

984
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: to do after you kill your moose? Said, well, don't

985
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: talk to me like that. How dare you because are

986
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: you guaranteeing me, I kill a moose. He's like, well,

987
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: would we normally get a good bull in the first

988
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: two or three days? And you're gonna want to do

989
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: you want a canoe in the lake or fish? Just

990
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: try and thinking about kind of the things you want

991
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: to do with your free time. On't you kill your moose?

992
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, this is the worst thing in outfitters

993
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: ever said to me ever, because he said that actualation.

994
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: It's foolish, you know, it's just foolish. You want to say,

995
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna hunt really hard. There's a lot of moose around,

996
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: we know where they are. We'll do our best. The

997
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: rest are up to you and the moose. He didn't

998
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: say that, And I went. I hunted for seven or

999
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: I think eight days, totally hunted and didn't see a moose,

1000
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: lock eyes on, any single hair on a moose. And

1001
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, you realize at that moment like those were

1002
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: false expectations. The expectations should be get out there, hunt hard,

1003
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: have a good opportunity. We had opportunities that we could

1004
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: figure these elk out, and you had time and you

1005
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: got or or luck on your side, you could you

1006
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: could kill a giant elk here and not one that

1007
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't see in many other places in the

1008
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: state of Montana that you can draw fairly frequently, you know,

1009
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: So it's I mean that alone is enough to draw

1010
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: you here and keep you here for a while. Yeah,

1011
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,959
Speaker 1: I mean, you're definitely not going to kill a small

1012
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: one because they're just not here there. I haven't seen

1013
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: a small velvet spikes to like three, there's a velvet spike.

1014
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: And when when when Bryson Joe didn't get that one,

1015
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: didn't Bryce say well, that's the smallest one. Honestly, I

1016
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: thought he didn't want to shoot it when he was

1017
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: just standing there. I was kind of like that that

1018
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: there's no way he's passing on this bowl price. That's

1019
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: what I did, guys. I just you know, I had

1020
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: it there and it I only wanted to shoot a

1021
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: seven bus. He's like, I already missed the seven by seven.

1022
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: There we've been so we can't we can't talk about

1023
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: we can't have Bryce on here without I've been giving

1024
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Bryce a hard time this whole week. Well, first of all,

1025
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: because I didn't know your name until your your last

1026
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: name until yesterday. So we went six days and I

1027
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: didn't know your last name purpose. We just I liked

1028
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: that we were friends and we were joining together in

1029
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: this pursuit of big game solely because we just were

1030
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: Elk cunters. We're elk cutters. I don't need to know

1031
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: your last name. Um. Bryce was such a good dude though,

1032
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: that anytime anything bad would happen, we would blame it

1033
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: on him because clearly it wasn't his fault. And so

1034
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: every time when we when he sent me and one day,

1035
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: well Joe did too, but being jod isn't is didn't

1036
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: roll off the tongue as good as being Bryce. Ye

1037
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: were one. They had spot this big bull and seen

1038
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: where he betted, and they were like, hey, why don't Ben,

1039
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: why don't you and Clay going there this afternoon? And

1040
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: we were like, really, you're gonna send us in on

1041
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: that bull and they were like, yeah, we just want

1042
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. So we went in there. We

1043
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: never saw the bull, we never saw an elk And

1044
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: on the way out, I was like, we've been briced.

1045
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: We've been actually on the next bridge over, we just

1046
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: snuck around that. I was like, they spooked on the

1047
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: gut here. They're like you should go over there because

1048
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: we were a little bit surprised that they would send

1049
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: us into the spot where they had just been on

1050
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: these big bulls. Well, so every every time this week

1051
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: anything hasn't gone right, We've been like, we've been briced,

1052
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: We've been Brice, I'll be the scapegoat. Uh that's funny,

1053
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: somebody else and uh we uh we were bug going

1054
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: over here. The people wouldn't be able to wouldn't be

1055
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: able to see Bryce is pretty pretty fit elk hunter.

1056
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: So it's Joe, Um, Bryce, you got a reputation of

1057
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: this camp. But being able to you know, charge, charge

1058
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: the bugle, get after him, pound the dirt. We were

1059
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: bugling a few days ago, just kind of practicing. Ben

1060
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: and I just mid day and we were like, what

1061
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: if Bryce just came running across I said he might.

1062
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: He would probably jump across the drainage. We envisioned Rice

1063
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: like running and jumping across the whole drainage and then

1064
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: realizing realizing that that bugle was us. He's gonna be

1065
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: mad at us. Yeah, Barrett, what do you think you

1066
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: think we should come back here or should we go

1067
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: back to Colorado? We should definitely come back here because

1068
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: we only saw two elk in Colorado to Okay, we're

1069
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, filming some of this hunt and stuff and

1070
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: I had to bring to cameraman. So they've been alternating.

1071
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: Colby and Barra been alternating and uh so I'll wear

1072
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: one out in the morning and then wear one out

1073
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: and even then we've been flipping back and forth. Do

1074
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: you all think we need to bring three people next year?

1075
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: We're all good, We're good. I'm gonna I'm gonna get

1076
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: a tag next year. Yeah, okay, yeah for real? Yeah, Beart,

1077
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna ask Bear and then Kolbe what just

1078
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: your full commentary on this hunt? Like Beart, you've kind

1079
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: of been like camp sidekick. Uh was it worth it?

1080
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: You're ready to go home? Oh? I think that we

1081
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: got to kill an elk before we go home, because

1082
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we drove twenty one hours up here, and

1083
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot better elk hunting than what we did

1084
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: in Colorado, because in Colorado we went we rode forty

1085
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: miles in a week and didn't hear single bugle and

1086
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: saw two elk and we didn't even have a dream horn. Again,

1087
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: this is our Montana broken dream, which we actually have

1088
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: something in hand every September. You guys hold that together here.

1089
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: It's a wishbone if you ever break it. But that's

1090
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: that's the best attitude of an elk hunter right there.

1091
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: We're staying here untill we can say just now, you

1092
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: got everybody's leaving except for us. And I told I

1093
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: told bar, I said, hey, how about we just leave

1094
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: this afternoon with these guys. And he looked at me

1095
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: and he said, I thought we were gonna kill an elk,

1096
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: he said, he said, we need to we need to

1097
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: keep hunting. So he's he meant that. He was like,

1098
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: we need to stay. And I said, so you're not

1099
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: ready to go home and he's like, no, So we're

1100
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna stay. We're gonna tonight tomorrow morning. Yeah. You guys

1101
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: got more water, more food. Yeah, y'all. Y'all charged us up.

1102
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: We took water, we took Ben's bread, we took your

1103
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: keen wah whatever, breed Man, those were good burritos. Bro,

1104
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cook some of that. Joe. I'm sure you

1105
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: gave us something that we don't know about. He gave

1106
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: me some ground meat, okay, you did I know you did?

1107
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: You gave us some buffalo archery killed Buffalo, it's valuable

1108
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, Colby thoughts, Yeah, no, this has been great.

1109
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: What do you think about these guys? Uh, it's been great.

1110
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean just at camp and you know when you

1111
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: can just come in and give each other a hard

1112
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: time and instantly it's like it's up, bro, you know,

1113
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: like it's just there's a camaraderie that just comes with

1114
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: with being in the outdoors and knowing that everybody's willing

1115
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: to grind and do whatever, and whether you have a

1116
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: tag or not. And uh, I mean I know for

1117
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: me embarrass like whoever goes or whoever stays is you know,

1118
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: we'll have a good time. It'll be good. And then

1119
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to people coming in and like even

1120
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: just being willing to contribute, like Bear cooked one night,

1121
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: I cooked one night. You know, just filling in whatever

1122
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: needs to be whatever needs to be done, you know,

1123
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: and it's not just something everybody's done some sort of

1124
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: support thing for everyone else at one time or another.

1125
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: And so I think that's really like the valuable experiences,

1126
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: the relationships you get inside of inside of these these places.

1127
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: It's where you start to see people's true character. And

1128
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean ultimate defeat and still like ready to go.

1129
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean Bryce called me whenever he missed his bull,

1130
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: and he was like real frustrated, but it was like

1131
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: he was ready a charge forward to the next one,

1132
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was telling you guys, you

1133
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: need to move Camfee over here. He's like, I just

1134
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: got defeated, but you guys should totally come here. Yeah,

1135
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, get over here, man. Yeah, you

1136
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: know what I said when Kobe said that, I didn't

1137
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: realize how many elk were were over here, but I

1138
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: was like, man, we're not going to go over there

1139
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: and hunt Bryce's elk. I mean, I got figured there

1140
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: was like one drainage with ELK, but I just it

1141
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: was generous of you, and I mean we would have

1142
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: done the same thing for you, but it was it

1143
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: was it was generous. And that's when Colby said, we

1144
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: don't even know this guy's last we're going We're going

1145
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: where he says, yeah, like two days in. I was like,

1146
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know his last name. And if he

1147
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: told me Claike clean up camp and then go up

1148
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: and water the horses, you didn't even I just would

1149
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: have done it. You didn't even know if it was

1150
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: the right price. That was the time when we thought

1151
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Bryce was at the wrong camp. Bryce actually didn't even

1152
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: know Joe here. What do they call it, the guys

1153
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: that went crasher? You're an elk camp crasher. You just

1154
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: gotta go down the road to some other guys and

1155
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: just pull up and just be like, oh, you guys,

1156
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: what's for good? Should you giving you guys more bad advice?

1157
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, I know you, Like he knows Joe. Yeah, like, yeah, Joe, sure,

1158
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: I know Joe. Yeah, yeah, he usually go with Joe

1159
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: or Tommy. Yeah, Joe was doing that with the locals

1160
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: the other day, you know, the Bell family. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1161
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: that was kind of weird that many people in Montana

1162
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: town Montana still exists world. Well, um no, it's been

1163
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: a pleasure to hunt with you guys. Thank you Joe

1164
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: for hooking man. Joe, of all people, has been super jitten.

1165
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: When I met Joe a year ago, he was like, come,

1166
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: elk hunting man, I'll take yell hunting and I can

1167
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: tell him minute. A lot of people say that, but

1168
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I can tell him minute. And so I did what

1169
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: he said. He said, put in for this tag. I said, okay,

1170
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: and uh, here we are so really, Joe appreciate it, man,

1171
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: of course, Sorry, I have to take off today. I

1172
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: should have driven myself. Ah Um, I'm glad you made

1173
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: it up. Go back to Arkansas with him? I should

1174
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I've always wanted to go to Arkansas. Come

1175
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: on down, you got opener season exactly, get down the

1176
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: camp with me and James Lawrence. But no, I'm really

1177
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: glad you guys made it up. I'm glad we got

1178
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: into Elk and have that experience because I mean, it's

1179
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: never guaranteed that you're gonna take one home, but being

1180
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: able to be in them and have an experience where

1181
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: you're running around with these amazing creatures, it's always worth it. Yeah,

1182
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: in my book. Yeah, I'm anxious to get back to

1183
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: Uh see, really how strong my legs got this last week.

1184
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: I've been I've been running. I've been you know, I

1185
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: have to work pretty hard to stay fit at my

1186
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: old age, and uh so I kind of knew my

1187
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: fitness level and uh, I'm we hadn't probably walked as

1188
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: much as you guys, but we walked a lot. I

1189
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: mean I've been every day, I've been walking to the

1190
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: bottom and back up and about three of these bumps over. Yeah,

1191
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: so it grinds on you. We did a little good Yeah,

1192
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: we did a little hustling today after that bowl. Yeah.

1193
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, it's it's yeah, grinds on it.

1194
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: And getting up in the morning. Yeah, I'm sure other

1195
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: folks have gotten up in the morning and you just

1196
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of opened your I was like, nah, come on,

1197
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: this ain't gonna work. Just go right to se just

1198
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: a couple of hours. It's a it's easy. The first

1199
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: like two days, yeah, six that that first coal, that

1200
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: that bugldmen Bryson, I left you that first morning and

1201
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: we take off after it. I got to the top

1202
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: of the ridge and looked depressing. I was like breathing,

1203
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: kind of heavy. I was like, man, I forgot to

1204
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: I forgot what it was like to hunt with somebody

1205
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: who who runs up the mountain. Yeah. It was like

1206
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: huffing and puffing. But sure it's fun. Yeah. I don't

1207
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: really want to go back to civilization, do either. You know,

1208
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: we were talking today, Ben brought up kind of the

1209
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: sea quints of how this feels to be in a camp.

1210
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, he said it takes about two days to

1211
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: kind of settle in and kind of let the civilized

1212
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: world kind of drift from your consciousness. Not that you're

1213
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: not conscious of family at all times and communicating with

1214
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: family when you can and stuff. But but that seems

1215
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: to be a pretty good assessment. Ben. Yeah. Now, i

1216
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: I've always I thought that since I've done some like

1217
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: real back country huns where you're out of service for

1218
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: ten days and you get dropped off by a floatplane

1219
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: or something. This case, I was watching football in my

1220
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: truck taking a nap yesterday. So civilization being what it is,

1221
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: but it's still the same thing in terms of the mentality.

1222
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta like slough off society. You gotta

1223
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's no couch to sit on, there's no

1224
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: TV to watch, there's your responsibilities are different, and you

1225
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: have to kind of find the rhythm of the elk

1226
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: and the mountain and the place you're in, and you

1227
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: have to follow that rhythm. You sleep when nicely, you know,

1228
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: you sleep when they sleep, your bed down the afternoon

1229
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: when they do, and you're up and moving when they are. Um,

1230
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: and that's a rhythm you have to find. And the

1231
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: first mountain you climb seems like, wow, this is a

1232
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: little harder than I thought the fifth or six. When

1233
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: you climb, your mentality is like you now know kind

1234
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: of what the rhythm needs to be and how quickly

1235
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: you need to move and where you need to end up,

1236
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: and and so for me it's always been it takes

1237
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: a couple of the first couple of days. You feel

1238
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: like you're just kind of working it out, kind of

1239
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: physically and mentally, getting yourself to a place where you

1240
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: no longer worry about anything other than the elk and

1241
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: finding that rhythm. That's a pretty unique experience to hunters

1242
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: that other I mean even people that there would be

1243
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: some extreme backpackers and hikers and mountaineers and stuff that

1244
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: would experience long stints in the wilderness where you really

1245
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: truly have time to get disconnected. But for the most part,

1246
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: it's it's hunters that are doing that. You know. For

1247
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying for seven to ten days be out in

1248
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: a way, and uh, I mean nobody's taken their tent

1249
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: and going out with their family of five and camping

1250
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: for ten days on the mountain over there just to

1251
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: have fun and waking up an hour before sun, hiking

1252
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: four miles and running down mounds. Yeah, I mean my wife.

1253
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: The moment I always know that I've done it right

1254
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: was when I go home on my wife smells me

1255
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: when I walk in the door from like across the

1256
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: room in the kitchen. She just go take a shower,

1257
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: don't touch me, take a shot of her. She seems

1258
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: to be able to smell me well before I even

1259
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: maybe walk in the house. I think there's got to

1260
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: be something healthy about like not bathing for a week.

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 1: I think I like it. I mean, I I was

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: telling you other day, I feel like this is. I

1263
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: feel better and more comfortable and more in my element here,

1264
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: whether it is do you hear a bugle? There? Joe?

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01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: A mule? Every time I hear the mule, I feel

1266
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: like it's a bugle something. So many digressions we've decided

1267
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: that mules got they did. They got the short end

1268
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: of the stick from a horse whinny. They also got

1269
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: the short end of the stick from the donkey bray.

1270
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: But they actually sound more like an elk because they

1271
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: kind of combined the two. I there are things I

1272
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: worry about it in my day to day life when

1273
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,479
Speaker 1: I'm at work or at home with the kids or

1274
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: um with my family that I just forget about here,

1275
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, cleanliness being I just like brush my hair

1276
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: aside and go on, and man, I wouldn't got to

1277
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: say anything, but you look bad. Oh, thank you, thank you.

1278
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: That's what I was hoping to look. Gnarly Bear always

1279
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: smells though he's fourteen year old kid like, that's that's

1280
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: the smelliest time of a young man's life. I said.

1281
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that's that's something I've always thought

1282
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: and it always reaffirms. And there's been times this won't

1283
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: be one of them where I've been out for seven

1284
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: to ten days and i haven't had service at all.

1285
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, you have your in reach and you texted

1286
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: people just let them know what's up and give them

1287
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: um and give them those updates. And then you did

1288
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: the anxiety and the nerves when you know that phone

1289
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: is about to come on. When you're you know, like

1290
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 1: the moment of service and you get that fee link

1291
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: of the the wave of connectivity and all the things

1292
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: that come with it. That's a difficult thing for me

1293
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: personally to do a lot of times. And um, even

1294
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: here what we have some connectivity and camp, it's more

1295
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: just going back to that rhythm and missing this one

1296
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: because this one is much more natural to me. Yep. Well, hey,

1297
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: thanks ton, guys, really every one of you, thank you

1298
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: for your your helping us have a successful hunt. Really

1299
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: was a successful hunt. And thank you for your generosity.

1300
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for your encouragement, wisdom. Really appreciate it. And man,

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to do it again. One other thing with you.

1302
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: This is started off this podcast again, We're done. What

1303
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: would say, I'm frustrated. I don't know how to like

1304
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated and I'm mad about this and I've failed,

1305
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: But please come next time. You know, I'm always amazed

1306
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: at the resiliency of the human spirit when I there's

1307
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: a place I hunt in Arkansas that's pretty tough for

1308
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: our world, and it is miserable hunting there, and I

1309
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: will be coming down that mountain in the dark after

1310
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: not seeing a game animal in three days and being like,

1311
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: why don't I drive three hours north into Kansas into

1312
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: the best white tail hunting in the world. Why do

1313
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: I drive the other way into the worst white tail

1314
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: hunting probably in the country. And as soon as I

1315
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 1: get in the truck and the mules and the trailer

1316
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: and the heaters on, if it's if it's cold or

1317
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: the a CS on if it's hot and I start driving,

1318
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: it takes about a mile on pavement for me to

1319
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: be planning my trip back up the mountain. Really like,

1320
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: at times I have been just shocked by that, and

1321
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: it's not me, it's all of us. Go to the

1322
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: grind and then you're just like, Kylie, this is the

1323
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: stupidest thing I've ever done. I had my favorite analogy

1324
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: for this. Joe might have heard it possibly before, but

1325
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: I call that sharpened in the life knife, because like,

1326
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: you come up here, man, and you like you're solving

1327
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: problems every second. The l cutting is one big problem

1328
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: solving thing, and it's it's incredibly difficult to do. And

1329
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 1: there's all these elements that you have to have studied

1330
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 1: and practiced and crafted and be good at not only

1331
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: you know, shooting a bow, but but butchering an animal

1332
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: and and all the things that go with it. And um,

1333
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: when you leave here, sitting in traffic seems like a

1334
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: smooth and no problem, no problem experience. And that's because

1335
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: this place make you know. These places make you sharper,

1336
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,919
Speaker 1: make you tougher, they make you make it easier to

1337
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: take on the other things in life. That's now seems

1338
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: so much more trivial than actually finding a giant buol,

1339
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: getting close to it, convincing it to come close to you,

1340
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: and then finding a lane to put an arrow through,

1341
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: and getting the arrow through the right spot, and then

1342
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: finding it when it runs down the mountain, and then

1343
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: picking up his giant hunks of meat and carrying it

1344
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: back to wherever you came from. Like that, The difficulty

1345
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: of that makes too many emails seem like, well, that's

1346
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: that's nothing. He's sharpen that old life knife. You feel

1347
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: much more dull when you haven't done something like this

1348
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: for a long time. That's a good analogy, life knife, bear,

1349
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: What are you holding there? Who gave that to you?

1350
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: Gave that to me? I told him not to cut

1351
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: himself with it. I didn't. That is a sweet knife.

1352
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: I didn't want to brand new. Never never sliced the thing.

1353
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 1: I know you said thank you to him? Yeah, beautiful knife.

1354
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: Cool alright, guys, closing closing thoughts. I'm just happy we

1355
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: were here. I'm already planning my trip back. I was

1356
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: just texting somebody like, hey, man, next week. Yeah, I'm thirsty.

1357
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: I want to kill an elk. I want to come back.

1358
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: I want to do this and keep doing it, and

1359
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: whoever wants to come is always welcome. But I'm I'm

1360
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: raven Us right now for all the experiences and the

1361
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: end result. Right on, I'm planning my workouts. Guys, Colby

1362
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: worked hard for this. He has for the last year. Um,

1363
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: he really has. He's he's worked hard and uh he's

1364
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: been following us around. Damn man. I told Colby when

1365
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: we're out there, I said, this is hard. I mean,

1366
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what percentage of people that could actually

1367
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: do this and keep up with you know, us running around.

1368
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: But it ain't. It is not an expansive percentage. Is

1369
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: a low percentage of people that would come out here

1370
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: and immediately be able to get up and down this place.

1371
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is incredibly difficult, and almost

1372
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: every way so, especially being not having a tag. You know,

1373
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: having a tag, you're moving a little quicker after that

1374
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: bowl up that mountain. Yeah, but it's true, very true,

1375
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: and have a little more motivation to keep keep putting

1376
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: a foot in front of the other one, keep grinding. Yeah,

1377
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: thanks for cold. So alright, guys, well keep the wild

1378
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: place as well, because that's where they help live h