WEBVTT - Episode 6: Nadine O'Leary 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.680 The Miniwauk Caves is intended for mature audiences. It contains 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.600 strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.160 that some may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Also, 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.600 this is an extremely immersive experience and headphones are recommended. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.799 You're listening to The manwac Caves, a production of iHeartRadio, 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.160 Blumhouse Television and Cycopia Pictures. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.320 You can't fill out an accent report without note in 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.680 the conditions, whether the location. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.440 You collect, witness information studied, the scene. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:47.279 Safety is relative, and there's always a pattern, and then 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.360 if you pay attention, the pattern belies a deeper cycle. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.960 I put on a bicycle, hit, buy a car, left 0:00:54.960 --> 0:01:00.720 for dead. That's senseless and terrible. It tears down home families, 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.000 and that goes into the universe that wounded howl of 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.920 confusion and existential questions. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.920 And again, the kid had no helmet. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.399 He was crossed in Memorial and Boulevard, the most dangerous 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.760 intersection in the city. And there's a robbery at a 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.679 corner store, gone ry. That leads to the junkie who 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:26.320 needed that fix. That leads to the dealer that could 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.920 get it to 'em and it rolls on down the line. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:37.320 Safety is relative. I mean there's always a pattern, forces 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:43.600 trajectories the momentum, and unless the pattern is disrupted, collisions 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.920 are inevitable. 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.160 There's a pattern here too. 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.800 A man of walk uh, cycle of violence. It's not 0:01:54.880 --> 0:02:00.840 just those sadly boys. And unless the pattern is disrupt. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:24.280 Stories about the caves go way back beyond early settler folkmore. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.320 The ghost in the mill. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.080 And the hounds of hell dancing in your. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.520 What do you mean, like like ghost and witches, some 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.440 kind of he'll believe food or something. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:50.440 Seems turn the river glean inside tells. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.040 These tells the. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:02.040 Hi Leary family such alter during a winter blizzard and 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.320 became trapped inside the cave. Only the youngest daughter, Nadine 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.120 o'hery mergem the cave. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:09.280 That's the end. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:13.360 Adventure was most interesting, discussing it's one of these great 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.000 unsold mysteries of this area. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:39.640 All this call will be recorded as monitored. Please standside, Julia, 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.800 you ventcher, Yeah, it's me. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:52.200 I need you to come bessing man. I don't have 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:53.320 much time lifting. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:57.320 Neither you. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:17.640 August ninth, five fifty five pm. Where to begin? There's 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.719 only four days left now four days till James Fincher's 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.560 scheduled to be executed by the State of Tennessee unless 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.440 I can still do something about it. I drove to 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.080 see him this morning the Riverbed Maximum Security Institution in 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:37.760 Nashville for the first time since he was convicted fourteen 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.880 years ago. I'm led into a windowless box where for 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.640 death row inmates, you are a partitioned from your visitor 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:50.000 by a sheet of thick plexiglass. Their voice only available 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:53.919 to you through a hard wire plastic phone. The divider 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:59.479 lends a surreal aspect to the whole ordeal, like I'm 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.760 watching a live event on TV. My face reflected in 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.000 the glass, so while I wait, I stare at myself 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:14.279 as though I'm seeing myself on the other side. In 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.800 the final days leading up to their execution, the death 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.640 row inmate is taken to a special cell away from 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.120 the other inmates. Their cells completely bear a blank canvas 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.000 for a busy mind. They're not allowed any tools or 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.880 silverware that they could potentially harm themselves with, and a 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.080 guard is stationed by their side twenty four to seven 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.480 until it's time to go to the death chamber. It's 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.400 a final torture leaving them sitting there and their selves 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.560 rotting away, counting the days till they're predetermined death, deprived 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:48.840 of their inalienable human right to die by surprise. What's 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.080 most fucked up about it, although, is just how fiercely 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.800 a death row inmate is protected against their own non 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:59.839 schedule death. God forbid it happen in any other way. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:01.080 God forbid. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:08.240 They grant the condemned a fleeting but final moment of autonomy. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:09.400 Anyway. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.119 I was about to see him for the first time 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.760 since before he was arrested fourteen years ago. But as 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.279 I looked at my reflection, all I could think about 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.000 was how I was about to come face to face 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.120 with everything I hate about myself. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:39.040 Hey bene non. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.080 I saw the cuts on him, deep lines of scar 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.640 tissue rising up from his chest, some older than others, 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.480 real old. Others looked fresh, still raw and faster, and 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.120 tons of them all spilling out from underneath his sleeves 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.640 like he had carved words and symbols into his flesh. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.080 Didn't make any fucking sense. They go to great lengths 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.840 to ensure these miserable bastards on death Row can't kill 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.760 themselves no sharp objects, even if he manufactured some kind 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.800 of shit. These scars would have taken time years maybe 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.200 if they covered his whole body and finished didn't have 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.320 these scars. The last time I saw him in the 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.320 courtroom before he was taken away, So. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:28.920 How the hell did he get him? 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.480 He looked good. I mean, I mean, you don't actually 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:37.520 look much different, That's what I mean. My first time 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:38.320 back a man to walk. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:44.160 Everyone looks older, worn down, But but you don't look 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.240 like you've eached today. I mean, I know, I look 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.440 like shit. Haven't really slept, I don't really sleep anymore. 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.440 I spent last night in my car. I was supposed 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.080 to go to Tyler's. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.400 But shit, man, I mean, I don't know what you've heard. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:05.880 You know, if you've spoken to Dina, well you know 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:06.360 I'm Tyler. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.240 He's missing. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.520 I went over there and he was just go. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.280 His whole place was smashed up. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.640 But I yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:30.000 know what's going on. Look, I spent years thinking of 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:36.439 what i'd say to you, apologies and please and explanations 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:44.920 for what happened and why, But it's all bullshit. I 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.720 was a stupid, scared kid, and I have hated myself 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:53.840 for all these years, and so I'm here and I'm 0:08:53.920 --> 0:09:00.520 trying to help, but I don't know if I'm doing 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:01.360 anything right. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:06.840 Please say something. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:11.640 You do. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:22.600 Look like shit. I don't want no apologies. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:24.959 Your study's gone. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.560 I had a lot of time in here to work 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:36.960 on it, to work on controlling my thoughts. Dena says 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.280 you freaked out on her last night. 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:48.120 Ever since I got back up, it happened issues. Did 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.560 Tina tell you about Tyler? 0:09:51.200 --> 0:10:02.200 Forget about Tyler? What forget Tyler? Tyler did his part 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:07.079 and I'm doing mine, but you still have work to do. 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:14.000 I know, man, I'll go back to Dana and Joe Campbell. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:19.440 I'm sure they need reassurances after after I FORGEBT last night, 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:21.680 and I want to make sure that they have my 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:27.320 statement about the Coherce testimony. No wait, I was thinking, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:29.280 I'm confused. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.160 What exactly do you think you're doing back here, Joe. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.520 I'm doing everything I can, everything I can do. I'm 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.559 really I'm grateful for your team's. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.679 Gonna be able to make a new poop for you. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.079 But in the meantime, I said you were writing a 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.320 book about all this about me? 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.920 Maybe, but that's not why I'm here now. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.520 Listen, I've been reaching the steps that check to Smith 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.560 took when he was involved in the original homicide investigation. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:05.280 I know. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.679 What, how do you know? 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:11.280 I just know? Thanks you only. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.720 Stuff you don't know, or maybe you blocked it out, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.480 or you aren't allowed to know details about you and 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:33.000 Tie and the had leaves and the case, especially the case. Yeah, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.760 I'm practically a goddamn scholar on the subject. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:46.120 I have so much to ask just the history and geography. 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.760 I know stuff that you can't find in the history books. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:57.640 I know, Man Good Winner of eighteen ninety three, what 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.360 the O'Leary family took shelter during the winter blizzard got 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:07.280 snowed in Eleanor O'Leary was trapped deep in the caves, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.080 watching her daughter starve to death. Don't ask for the 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.439 Lord's help, of course, Braiden prayed, Oh, Heavenly Father, please, 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.079 I beg you, please deliver my poor innocent. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.320 Child from the cool hand of death. But the Lord 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:26.719 didn't respond. He was a no show. Maybe deep in 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.280 those dark, evil caves, even God couldn't hear their small 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:36.640 and desperate voices calling out, Okay, but I believe someone 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:50.240 else did hear, and I imagine him appearing before h 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.400 Miss Oldliarry was something resembly pity in the slits of 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:54.840 his eyes. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.760 Good mother, you should you should tell you that he 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.240 made Miss Oliery an offer. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:08.480 I can help you. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:09.959 I can object to. 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.760 I can say, your poor little girl. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.800 And only if you make the deal. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:21.480 And poor Eleanor starved, delirious, freezing, and on the brink 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:21.880 of death. 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.800 I imagine she did. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.800 What any loving mother and a moment of defeat and 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:28.599 weakness would do. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:33.600 She made the deal. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:37.920 He dies. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:48.800 Nor nothing in the scaff I'll protect you. We're going 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.400 to get to know each other for very long time. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.480 I don't understand whether or not you believe that story 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.320 comes Spring of eighteen ninety three, the impossible happen. The 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.120 youngest daughter, Nadine, Sure shit, That little girl e murders 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.240 from the cave, the only survivor of the O'Leary family. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.599 How she survived is a mystery to this day. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:25.280 Finch, I'm here to tell you something. Smith knew. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.480 He knew you didn't kill him. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.000 I think he knew who did. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:40.760 Why don't you ask him what, Detective Solomon Smith. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.360 He's lone gone, Finch. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:50.280 No one's seen him. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.960 Since when are you going back to the house the 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.840 Fowler estayed off of twenty nine, that's where Smith was 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:04.800 living during the investigation. Right, yeah, when you're going back there? 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.400 Not cut good? 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.040 How did you know that? 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:12.880 Wait? 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.000 Wait, wait wait, I have so much to talk to 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:15.680 you about, Fitch. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.640 Do you have any idea how hard it is to 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.960 speak to you. I'm not talking about just sitting here 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:27.080 across from but literally speak words to your face. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:34.200 I have spent years in this place, years. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.760 Teaching myself to focus on the shapes of words, quiet 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.720 in my mind, training the muscles in my face to 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.640 wrap around the words properly. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:46.520 And I can. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.000 When I'm calling. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.880 But when I called you, all of a sudden, I 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.280 couldn't get one word out clean. It was like no 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:06.000 time had passed it all for James fucking go there 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.320 first to foul the place. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:20.320 Tonight, Guard, We're done. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:24.760 So who helped a little girl? 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.560 That's where the discovery of Eleanor O'Leary's journal is interesting. 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.000 Miss O'Leary described the entire deal in great detail. What 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.680 Fincher was most interested in this is the last few 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.840 enturies of her journal. When she starts to discuss the 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.000 presence inside the case with him. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:49.440 The truth comes in different flavors. Sometimes it's revealed in 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.120 the intersection of facts. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.840 Aaron with the father, Seamus, he died first. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:55.920 Sometimes it's hidden the lore. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.720 As the family went to extremes to avoid starvation, Miss 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.760 O'Leary's journal entries become less coherent. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.840 More disturbed. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.679 These dots are all interconnected. I can feel it. Richard 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:21.200 Roddell being from Anniwalk, Detective Smith moving into William Fowler's 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.879 place after Riddell's execution, and then coming on board the 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:29.040 Hadley murder case, only to become convinced that James Fincher's innocence, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.280 and now Deacon Hadley's necklace found in Tyler Wilson's ransacked 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.760 house after Tyler's gone missing. 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.800 These devils pranks, They're. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.880 Important more than clues or converging strings on an investigation 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:49.760 board or breadcrumb's on the trail, a thread through the labyrinth. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.840 But what was Fincher's obsession with the story of the 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.400 O'Leary family. I know it's all connected somehow. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.040 According to miss O'Leary, here emerges from the very shadows 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.720 of the caves and offers to help her. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:05.600 What doll. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:15.480 It would seem that miss O'Leary was lacking rational faculties, delirious, freezing, hallucinating, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.399 No doubt conjured this narrative while on the brain coach starvation. 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.560 Would you agree it's a classic narrative. A surf in 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:29.200 the garden, Fousty embargain the devil, a crossroads. Some people 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:34.439 believe Fincher worships the devil, would you agree, doctor Tector? Well, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.000 even Satanists don't believe in the literal Satan, detective, And. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.680 What do you call people who do believe in a 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:47.160 literal Satan? Christians? 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.200 After I saw Finch at Riverbedd in Nashville, I drove 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.440 back to the Fowler's place, detect dismiss less known home. 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.240 In the wash of the flashlight, it looked decrepit hollowed 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.480 out a skull deer and out at the night. Its 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.399 front windows were opaque with dust. My flashlight didn't seem 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.720 to want to penetrate the dark inside. The door, of course, 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:35.520 was locked. What there's someone there? 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:57.080 Come on, I have a gun, It was, dear, what 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:57.920 the hell do you want? 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:01.240 Three doze in a buck? 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:02.880 A phone? 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.240 They all stood right there at did you the wood 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.200 staring at me, eyes reflecting back my beam shoe. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:13.560 What the hell? 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.480 They didn't move when I shouted. It was like they 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:18.600 were waiting for something. 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:31.159 Okay, where those stand there? Just don't call the cops 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:36.600 when I and I won't send hunters out here. Freezy 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:37.320 pickens deal. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:53.800 Okay, okay, all right to take the smith. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:21:19.520 Let's see what you knew. 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.280 I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know what I was 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.040 expecting when I got inside, but it wasn't what I 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:33.680 was looking at. 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:35.359 First. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.000 Off, it was cold, I mean outside it's nearly summer. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:44.000 In the house, cold like twenty degree drop and damp, subterranean, 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.640 without the benefit of ever being worn by the sun. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.280 The house had largely been untouched since Solomon skipped out, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.960 so the furniture's all there, and the bed sheets still 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.560 must from the last night he slept in the dry 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.720 goods in the pantry, a single dirty plate in the 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.720 sink next to a coffee cup, mold that had grown 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.960 over them, long, sin stride and dead. It was like 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.960 I stepped back in time. The only thing suggesting the 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.080 Solomon had ever left were the open drawers and half 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.280 empty closet, the hangers on the bed and he'd left quickly, 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:22.000 and then in the back office hum around the room, 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.760 moleskin tablets the kinyrad used to jot down notes on 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.800 the case perhaps were scattered about. In the corner of 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.200 the office, a small aluminum waste paper basket sat beneath 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.679 the scorch section of the wall. Someone had made a 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.200 small fire, and from the looks of it, he'd burned 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.560 pages here and there from the notebooks, one of which 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:45.399 seemed to have been burned whole. That wasn't even the 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:46.080 weirdest thing. 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.240 What the fuck is this? 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.760 The weirdest thing was the wall above the waste paper basket. 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:52.640 What are you doing? 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:57.399 Simon writing scrawled all over it, articles from the town 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.760 photo copied and pinned with no tape, and scribbled and 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.359 pencil and sharp remarker, no rahm or reason of the order? 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:05.119 What the fuck? 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.600 But all of it painted a grizzly, unflattering picture of 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:14.479 Manahawaan County. Every murder, every assault, every suicide and fire 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.600 and deadly car accident ever recorded, all pinned up and 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:39.320 noted in Solomon Smith's neat handwriting. Oh shit, it's here's tapes. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:43.960 These tapes were dated, but there's no labeling beyond that. 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.040 From the looks of it, they went all the way 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.600 up to two days before Solomon Smith skipped town. Luckily, 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:53.439 I'd come prepared with extra batteries and a sleeping bag 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:59.920 and a bottleful of courage. I found the most recent 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:05.800 and popped in on this platform. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:06.879 What in, Hooper? 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.000 I thought we were having a beer, figured we'd go 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:18.000 to a bar or something. 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:20.120 You sure you want to be seen with me, sir? 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.600 And besides, I already moved on to whiskey a while ago. 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.080 From the looks of it, you want what or not? 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:29.120 Yeah? 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:35.960 I go on. Then something on your mind, Hooper? Solomon. 0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.199 I asked you on to this case because I know 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.520 you're about a mile more qualified than anybody else around here, 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:47.160 myself included. But this is a small town. People are upset. 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.600 When those two boys turned up the way they did. 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.520 It felt like it was their own children been cutted 0:24:54.560 --> 0:25:00.840 in those caves, and they want closure, They want to 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.719 put it behind it, and they should want the truth 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.719 and maybe they'll get it. Seems to me that James 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.359 Fincher truly was the only one with any real motive 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.439 to harm Deacon and Thomas. I think we need to 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.359 seriously consider leaning into the possibility that James Fincher killed 0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:22.879 those boys. A man, James Fincher didn't kill nobody. What 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:28.040 do you have to go on that says he didn't experience. Look, 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.360 you have no idea what being different is. To stand out, 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:39.320 to be ostracized, marginalized, demonized, to be discriminated against in 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.000 a world full of people will think they're smarter than you, 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.879 who think they deserve better than you. 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:46.240 I hear you. 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.800 That's exactly why there's motive. I'm not arguing that the 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.000 system is perfect, It's goddamn far from it. But right 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.840 now we need to look at the impartial fact. Oh shit, 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.439 James Fischer didn't want to cause trouble. 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:01.840 He just wanted to get by. 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.480 Killing those boys would be a death sentence for a 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.360 kid like him in this town, and he damn well 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.800 is smart enough to know it. James Fincher has been 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.679 bullied since he moved here, and I'm not gonna let 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.359 him be bullied into a jail cell. 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:19.400 All right. 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.680 Look, I know you're a little bit heated and more 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:23.919 than a little drunk, but we gotta look at this 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.080 from the rest of the town's point of view too. 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.880 And how's that smart enough to know it isn't facts. 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.439 The fact is that multiple people have come forward pointing 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.119 a finger directly at James Fincher. We have interviews, we 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.320 have people willing to testify. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.680 And Reverend Perkins has been particularly vocal. Excuse me, Reverend 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.680 Perkins has been putting pressure on you, all right, Sam, 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.320 of course he has. Why the hell wouldn't he You 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.960 get the backing of the first Baptist Church. You can 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.080 have whatever you want in this town, a raise, a 0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:02.960 re election. Come on, two boys are dead, you son 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:04.960 of a bitch. These are good people. 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.480 They just want justice, and I would think that you, 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.720 of all people, would be able to relate to that. 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:18.119 Solomon Sheriff, I know what killed my boy. Maybe this 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:21.159 was a mistake. I think we've got more than a 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.120 little bit of a conflict of interest here. You understand 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.160 what I'm saying. Oh, you're taking me off the case. 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:30.679 I don't have much choice. It's my fault, it's not yours. 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.560 I should have put it together before bringing you on. 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.639 You need me on this thing, James Fincher don't stand 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:42.360 a chance. 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.879 I'm not so sure James Fincher deserves a chance. 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.919 Detective Smith up and left his life in Atlanta, but 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:02.080 his own personal demons followed him the Milwaukee. His son 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.360 committed suicide a few years before the move. See. By 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.840 all accounts, he was a smart kid, but he had 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.439 a minor physical deformity born missing two fingers off his 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.600 right hand. That's it. But he was bullied for it 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:19.840 his entire life heart and one day something finally pushed 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.040 him over the edge. He was eighteen years old when 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.280 he died. James Fincher was eighteen at the time of 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:31.880 the investigation. Maybe just another devil's prank is Jennifer Fowler 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:32.360 called them. 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:36.280 Listen, you can hear them off in the woods. I 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.360 know they're there every fucking night this goddamn week, right 0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.160 outside my window, tapping and laughing. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.560 Fast forwarded around on that first tape, his last one. 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.120 He'd recorded, come on and. 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:55.480 You piece this shit, Come on, show your goddamn faces. 0:28:55.560 --> 0:29:08.680 Finally, come on, come on, come on. 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:15.840 Oh oh you motherfuckers. 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:22.320 God damn dear. 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.760 The tape from the perceiving that was much different. So 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:32.240 I skipped back a week or two and had another drink. 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.640 After reading letters, James Fincher wrote to doctor Tratner. I 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.520 went down to the Pottsville Library and pulled every book 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.920 Fincher checked out. He'd also had the library and printed 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.680 a few articles he'd found on their microfiche, and from 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.360 around Halloween he's run in the Pottsville Press. As I 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.400 don't know, I guess you'd call it what passes for 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:58.640 a human interest story around here. Amongst these tales of 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.040