1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: The Miniwauk Caves is intended for mature audiences. It contains 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: strong language and depictions of bullying, violence, and sexual assault 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: that some may find disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Also, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: this is an extremely immersive experience and headphones are recommended. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: You're listening to The manwac Caves, a production of iHeartRadio, 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Blumhouse Television and Cycopia Pictures. 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: You can't fill out an accent report without note in 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: the conditions, whether the location. 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: You collect, witness information studied, the scene. 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: Safety is relative, and there's always a pattern, and then 11 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: if you pay attention, the pattern belies a deeper cycle. 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: I put on a bicycle, hit, buy a car, left 13 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: for dead. That's senseless and terrible. It tears down home families, 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: and that goes into the universe that wounded howl of 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: confusion and existential questions. 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: And again, the kid had no helmet. 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: He was crossed in Memorial and Boulevard, the most dangerous 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: intersection in the city. And there's a robbery at a 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: corner store, gone ry. That leads to the junkie who 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: needed that fix. That leads to the dealer that could 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: get it to 'em and it rolls on down the line. 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: Safety is relative. I mean there's always a pattern, forces 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: trajectories the momentum, and unless the pattern is disrupted, collisions 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: are inevitable. 25 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: There's a pattern here too. 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: A man of walk uh, cycle of violence. It's not 27 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: just those sadly boys. And unless the pattern is disrupt. 28 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: Stories about the caves go way back beyond early settler folkmore. 29 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 5: The ghost in the mill. 30 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 6: And the hounds of hell dancing in your. 31 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: What do you mean, like like ghost and witches, some 32 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: kind of he'll believe food or something. 33 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 5: Seems turn the river glean inside tells. 34 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 7: These tells the. 35 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: Hi Leary family such alter during a winter blizzard and 36 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: became trapped inside the cave. Only the youngest daughter, Nadine 37 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: o'hery mergem the cave. 38 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: That's the end. 39 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 4: Adventure was most interesting, discussing it's one of these great 40 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: unsold mysteries of this area. 41 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 8: All this call will be recorded as monitored. Please standside, Julia, 42 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 8: you ventcher, Yeah, it's me. 43 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: I need you to come bessing man. I don't have 44 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: much time lifting. 45 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: Neither you. 46 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 7: August ninth, five fifty five pm. Where to begin? There's 47 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 7: only four days left now four days till James Fincher's 48 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 7: scheduled to be executed by the State of Tennessee unless 49 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 7: I can still do something about it. I drove to 50 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 7: see him this morning the Riverbed Maximum Security Institution in 51 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 7: Nashville for the first time since he was convicted fourteen 52 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 7: years ago. I'm led into a windowless box where for 53 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 7: death row inmates, you are a partitioned from your visitor 54 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 7: by a sheet of thick plexiglass. Their voice only available 55 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 7: to you through a hard wire plastic phone. The divider 56 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 7: lends a surreal aspect to the whole ordeal, like I'm 57 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 7: watching a live event on TV. My face reflected in 58 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 7: the glass, so while I wait, I stare at myself 59 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 7: as though I'm seeing myself on the other side. In 60 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 7: the final days leading up to their execution, the death 61 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 7: row inmate is taken to a special cell away from 62 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 7: the other inmates. Their cells completely bear a blank canvas 63 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 7: for a busy mind. They're not allowed any tools or 64 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 7: silverware that they could potentially harm themselves with, and a 65 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 7: guard is stationed by their side twenty four to seven 66 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 7: until it's time to go to the death chamber. It's 67 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 7: a final torture leaving them sitting there and their selves 68 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 7: rotting away, counting the days till they're predetermined death, deprived 69 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 7: of their inalienable human right to die by surprise. What's 70 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 7: most fucked up about it, although, is just how fiercely 71 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 7: a death row inmate is protected against their own non 72 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 7: schedule death. God forbid it happen in any other way. 73 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: God forbid. 74 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 7: They grant the condemned a fleeting but final moment of autonomy. 75 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: Anyway. 76 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 7: I was about to see him for the first time 77 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 7: since before he was arrested fourteen years ago. But as 78 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 7: I looked at my reflection, all I could think about 79 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 7: was how I was about to come face to face 80 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 7: with everything I hate about myself. 81 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 5: Hey bene non. 82 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 9: I saw the cuts on him, deep lines of scar 83 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 9: tissue rising up from his chest, some older than others, 84 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 9: real old. Others looked fresh, still raw and faster, and 85 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 9: tons of them all spilling out from underneath his sleeves 86 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 9: like he had carved words and symbols into his flesh. 87 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 7: Didn't make any fucking sense. They go to great lengths 88 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 7: to ensure these miserable bastards on death Row can't kill 89 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 7: themselves no sharp objects, even if he manufactured some kind 90 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 7: of shit. These scars would have taken time years maybe 91 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 7: if they covered his whole body and finished didn't have 92 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 7: these scars. The last time I saw him in the 93 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 7: courtroom before he was taken away, So. 94 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 5: How the hell did he get him? 95 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 9: He looked good. I mean, I mean, you don't actually 96 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 9: look much different, That's what I mean. My first time 97 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 9: back a man to walk. 98 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 7: Everyone looks older, worn down, But but you don't look 99 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 7: like you've eached today. I mean, I know, I look 100 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 7: like shit. Haven't really slept, I don't really sleep anymore. 101 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 7: I spent last night in my car. I was supposed 102 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 7: to go to Tyler's. 103 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 9: But shit, man, I mean, I don't know what you've heard. 104 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 7: You know, if you've spoken to Dina, well you know 105 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 7: I'm Tyler. 106 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: He's missing. 107 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 9: I went over there and he was just go. 108 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: His whole place was smashed up. 109 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 9: But I yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't 110 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 9: know what's going on. Look, I spent years thinking of 111 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 9: what i'd say to you, apologies and please and explanations 112 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 9: for what happened and why, But it's all bullshit. I 113 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 9: was a stupid, scared kid, and I have hated myself 114 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 9: for all these years, and so I'm here and I'm 115 00:08:53,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 9: trying to help, but I don't know if I'm doing 116 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 9: anything right. 117 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 6: Please say something. 118 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: You do. 119 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: Look like shit. I don't want no apologies. 120 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 9: Your study's gone. 121 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 10: I had a lot of time in here to work 122 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 10: on it, to work on controlling my thoughts. Dena says 123 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 10: you freaked out on her last night. 124 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 7: Ever since I got back up, it happened issues. Did 125 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 7: Tina tell you about Tyler? 126 00:09:51,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 10: Forget about Tyler? What forget Tyler? Tyler did his part 127 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 10: and I'm doing mine, but you still have work to do. 128 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 7: I know, man, I'll go back to Dana and Joe Campbell. 129 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 9: I'm sure they need reassurances after after I FORGEBT last night, 130 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 9: and I want to make sure that they have my 131 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 9: statement about the Coherce testimony. No wait, I was thinking, 132 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 9: I'm confused. 133 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 10: What exactly do you think you're doing back here, Joe. 134 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 7: I'm doing everything I can, everything I can do. I'm 135 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 7: really I'm grateful for your team's. 136 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 11: Gonna be able to make a new poop for you. 137 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 10: But in the meantime, I said you were writing a 138 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 10: book about all this about me? 139 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 7: Maybe, but that's not why I'm here now. 140 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 9: Listen, I've been reaching the steps that check to Smith 141 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 9: took when he was involved in the original homicide investigation. 142 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: I know. 143 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 5: What, how do you know? 144 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: I just know? Thanks you only. 145 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 12: Stuff you don't know, or maybe you blocked it out, 146 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 12: or you aren't allowed to know details about you and 147 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 12: Tie and the had leaves and the case, especially the case. Yeah, 148 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 12: I'm practically a goddamn scholar on the subject. 149 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 9: I have so much to ask just the history and geography. 150 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: I know stuff that you can't find in the history books. 151 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 13: I know, Man Good Winner of eighteen ninety three, what 152 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 13: the O'Leary family took shelter during the winter blizzard got 153 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 13: snowed in Eleanor O'Leary was trapped deep in the caves, 154 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 13: watching her daughter starve to death. Don't ask for the 155 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 13: Lord's help, of course, Braiden prayed, Oh, Heavenly Father, please, 156 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 13: I beg you, please deliver my poor innocent. 157 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 10: Child from the cool hand of death. But the Lord 158 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 10: didn't respond. He was a no show. Maybe deep in 159 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 10: those dark, evil caves, even God couldn't hear their small 160 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 10: and desperate voices calling out, Okay, but I believe someone 161 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 10: else did hear, and I imagine him appearing before h 162 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 10: Miss Oldliarry was something resembly pity in the slits of 163 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 10: his eyes. 164 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 13: Good mother, you should you should tell you that he 165 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 13: made Miss Oliery an offer. 166 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 3: I can help you. 167 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 5: I can object to. 168 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 10: I can say, your poor little girl. 169 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 5: And only if you make the deal. 170 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: And poor Eleanor starved, delirious, freezing, and on the brink 171 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: of death. 172 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: I imagine she did. 173 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 10: What any loving mother and a moment of defeat and 174 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 10: weakness would do. 175 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: She made the deal. 176 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 10: He dies. 177 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 5: Nor nothing in the scaff I'll protect you. We're going 178 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 5: to get to know each other for very long time. 179 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 10: I don't understand whether or not you believe that story 180 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 10: comes Spring of eighteen ninety three, the impossible happen. The 181 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 10: youngest daughter, Nadine, Sure shit, That little girl e murders 182 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 10: from the cave, the only survivor of the O'Leary family. 183 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 10: How she survived is a mystery to this day. 184 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 7: Finch, I'm here to tell you something. Smith knew. 185 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 5: He knew you didn't kill him. 186 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 6: I think he knew who did. 187 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 10: Why don't you ask him what, Detective Solomon Smith. 188 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 9: He's lone gone, Finch. 189 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 6: No one's seen him. 190 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 10: Since when are you going back to the house the 191 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 10: Fowler estayed off of twenty nine, that's where Smith was 192 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 10: living during the investigation. Right, yeah, when you're going back there? 193 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: Not cut good? 194 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 5: How did you know that? 195 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: Wait? 196 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 7: Wait, wait wait, I have so much to talk to 197 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 7: you about, Fitch. 198 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 10: Do you have any idea how hard it is to 199 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 10: speak to you. I'm not talking about just sitting here 200 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 10: across from but literally speak words to your face. 201 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: I have spent years in this place, years. 202 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 10: Teaching myself to focus on the shapes of words, quiet 203 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 10: in my mind, training the muscles in my face to 204 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 10: wrap around the words properly. 205 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: And I can. 206 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 13: When I'm calling. 207 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 10: But when I called you, all of a sudden, I 208 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 10: couldn't get one word out clean. It was like no 209 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 10: time had passed it all for James fucking go there 210 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 10: first to foul the place. 211 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 14: Tonight, Guard, We're done. 212 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: So who helped a little girl? 213 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 4: That's where the discovery of Eleanor O'Leary's journal is interesting. 214 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: Miss O'Leary described the entire deal in great detail. What 215 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 4: Fincher was most interested in this is the last few 216 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 4: enturies of her journal. When she starts to discuss the 217 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: presence inside the case with him. 218 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 7: The truth comes in different flavors. Sometimes it's revealed in 219 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 7: the intersection of facts. 220 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: Aaron with the father, Seamus, he died first. 221 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 7: Sometimes it's hidden the lore. 222 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 4: As the family went to extremes to avoid starvation, Miss 223 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: O'Leary's journal entries become less coherent. 224 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: More disturbed. 225 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 15: These dots are all interconnected. I can feel it. Richard 226 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 15: Roddell being from Anniwalk, Detective Smith moving into William Fowler's 227 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 15: place after Riddell's execution, and then coming on board the 228 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 15: Hadley murder case, only to become convinced that James Fincher's innocence, 229 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 15: and now Deacon Hadley's necklace found in Tyler Wilson's ransacked 230 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 15: house after Tyler's gone missing. 231 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 7: These devils pranks, They're. 232 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 15: Important more than clues or converging strings on an investigation 233 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 15: board or breadcrumb's on the trail, a thread through the labyrinth. 234 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 15: But what was Fincher's obsession with the story of the 235 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 15: O'Leary family. I know it's all connected somehow. 236 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: According to miss O'Leary, here emerges from the very shadows 237 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: of the caves and offers to help her. 238 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 5: What doll. 239 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: It would seem that miss O'Leary was lacking rational faculties, delirious, freezing, hallucinating, 240 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: No doubt conjured this narrative while on the brain coach starvation. 241 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 4: Would you agree it's a classic narrative. A surf in 242 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 4: the garden, Fousty embargain the devil, a crossroads. Some people 243 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 4: believe Fincher worships the devil, would you agree, doctor Tector? Well, 244 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 4: even Satanists don't believe in the literal Satan, detective, And. 245 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: What do you call people who do believe in a 246 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: literal Satan? Christians? 247 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 7: After I saw Finch at Riverbedd in Nashville, I drove 248 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 7: back to the Fowler's place, detect dismiss less known home. 249 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 7: In the wash of the flashlight, it looked decrepit hollowed 250 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 7: out a skull deer and out at the night. Its 251 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 7: front windows were opaque with dust. My flashlight didn't seem 252 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 7: to want to penetrate the dark inside. The door, of course, 253 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 7: was locked. What there's someone there? 254 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 16: Come on, I have a gun, It was, dear, what 255 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 16: the hell do you want? 256 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 7: Three doze in a buck? 257 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 5: A phone? 258 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 7: They all stood right there at did you the wood 259 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 7: staring at me, eyes reflecting back my beam shoe. 260 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 15: What the hell? 261 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 9: They didn't move when I shouted. It was like they 262 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 9: were waiting for something. 263 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 16: Okay, where those stand there? Just don't call the cops 264 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 16: when I and I won't send hunters out here. Freezy 265 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 16: pickens deal. 266 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 11: Okay, okay, all right to take the smith. 267 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 6: Let's see what you knew. 268 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know what I was 269 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 7: expecting when I got inside, but it wasn't what I 270 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 7: was looking at. 271 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 6: First. 272 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 7: Off, it was cold, I mean outside it's nearly summer. 273 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 7: In the house, cold like twenty degree drop and damp, subterranean, 274 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 7: without the benefit of ever being worn by the sun. 275 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 7: The house had largely been untouched since Solomon skipped out, 276 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 7: so the furniture's all there, and the bed sheets still 277 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 7: must from the last night he slept in the dry 278 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 7: goods in the pantry, a single dirty plate in the 279 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 7: sink next to a coffee cup, mold that had grown 280 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 7: over them, long, sin stride and dead. It was like 281 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 7: I stepped back in time. The only thing suggesting the 282 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 7: Solomon had ever left were the open drawers and half 283 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 7: empty closet, the hangers on the bed and he'd left quickly, 284 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 7: and then in the back office hum around the room, 285 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 7: moleskin tablets the kinyrad used to jot down notes on 286 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 7: the case perhaps were scattered about. In the corner of 287 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 7: the office, a small aluminum waste paper basket sat beneath 288 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 7: the scorch section of the wall. Someone had made a 289 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 7: small fire, and from the looks of it, he'd burned 290 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 7: pages here and there from the notebooks, one of which 291 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 7: seemed to have been burned whole. That wasn't even the 292 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 7: weirdest thing. 293 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 6: What the fuck is this? 294 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 7: The weirdest thing was the wall above the waste paper basket. 295 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 5: What are you doing? 296 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 9: Simon writing scrawled all over it, articles from the town 297 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 9: photo copied and pinned with no tape, and scribbled and 298 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 9: pencil and sharp remarker, no rahm or reason of the order? 299 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: What the fuck? 300 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 7: But all of it painted a grizzly, unflattering picture of 301 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 7: Manahawaan County. Every murder, every assault, every suicide and fire 302 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 7: and deadly car accident ever recorded, all pinned up and 303 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 7: noted in Solomon Smith's neat handwriting. Oh shit, it's here's tapes. 304 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 7: These tapes were dated, but there's no labeling beyond that. 305 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 7: From the looks of it, they went all the way 306 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 7: up to two days before Solomon Smith skipped town. Luckily, 307 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 7: I'd come prepared with extra batteries and a sleeping bag 308 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 7: and a bottleful of courage. I found the most recent 309 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 7: and popped in on this platform. 310 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: What in, Hooper? 311 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 17: I thought we were having a beer, figured we'd go 312 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 17: to a bar or something. 313 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: You sure you want to be seen with me, sir? 314 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: And besides, I already moved on to whiskey a while ago. 315 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: From the looks of it, you want what or not? 316 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 13: Yeah? 317 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 3: I go on. Then something on your mind, Hooper? Solomon. 318 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 17: I asked you on to this case because I know 319 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 17: you're about a mile more qualified than anybody else around here, 320 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 17: myself included. But this is a small town. People are upset. 321 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 17: When those two boys turned up the way they did. 322 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 17: It felt like it was their own children been cutted 323 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 17: in those caves, and they want closure, They want to 324 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 17: put it behind it, and they should want the truth 325 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 17: and maybe they'll get it. Seems to me that James 326 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 17: Fincher truly was the only one with any real motive 327 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 17: to harm Deacon and Thomas. I think we need to 328 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 17: seriously consider leaning into the possibility that James Fincher killed 329 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 17: those boys. A man, James Fincher didn't kill nobody. What 330 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 17: do you have to go on that says he didn't experience. Look, 331 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 17: you have no idea what being different is. To stand out, 332 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 17: to be ostracized, marginalized, demonized, to be discriminated against in 333 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 17: a world full of people will think they're smarter than you, 334 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 17: who think they deserve better than you. 335 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: I hear you. 336 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 17: That's exactly why there's motive. I'm not arguing that the 337 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 17: system is perfect, It's goddamn far from it. But right 338 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 17: now we need to look at the impartial fact. Oh shit, 339 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 17: James Fischer didn't want to cause trouble. 340 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: He just wanted to get by. 341 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 18: Killing those boys would be a death sentence for a 342 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 18: kid like him in this town, and he damn well 343 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 18: is smart enough to know it. James Fincher has been 344 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 18: bullied since he moved here, and I'm not gonna let 345 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 18: him be bullied into a jail cell. 346 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: All right. 347 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 17: Look, I know you're a little bit heated and more 348 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 17: than a little drunk, but we gotta look at this 349 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 17: from the rest of the town's point of view too. 350 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 17: And how's that smart enough to know it isn't facts. 351 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 17: The fact is that multiple people have come forward pointing 352 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 17: a finger directly at James Fincher. We have interviews, we 353 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 17: have people willing to testify. 354 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 19: And Reverend Perkins has been particularly vocal. Excuse me, Reverend 355 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 19: Perkins has been putting pressure on you, all right, Sam, 356 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 19: of course he has. Why the hell wouldn't he You 357 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 19: get the backing of the first Baptist Church. You can 358 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 19: have whatever you want in this town, a raise, a 359 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 19: re election. Come on, two boys are dead, you son 360 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 19: of a bitch. These are good people. 361 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 17: They just want justice, and I would think that you, 362 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 17: of all people, would be able to relate to that. 363 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 17: Solomon Sheriff, I know what killed my boy. Maybe this 364 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 17: was a mistake. I think we've got more than a 365 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 17: little bit of a conflict of interest here. You understand 366 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 17: what I'm saying. Oh, you're taking me off the case. 367 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 17: I don't have much choice. It's my fault, it's not yours. 368 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 17: I should have put it together before bringing you on. 369 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 18: You need me on this thing, James Fincher don't stand 370 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 18: a chance. 371 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 17: I'm not so sure James Fincher deserves a chance. 372 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 7: Detective Smith up and left his life in Atlanta, but 373 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 7: his own personal demons followed him the Milwaukee. His son 374 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 7: committed suicide a few years before the move. See. By 375 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 7: all accounts, he was a smart kid, but he had 376 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 7: a minor physical deformity born missing two fingers off his 377 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 7: right hand. That's it. But he was bullied for it 378 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 7: his entire life heart and one day something finally pushed 379 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 7: him over the edge. He was eighteen years old when 380 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 7: he died. James Fincher was eighteen at the time of 381 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 7: the investigation. Maybe just another devil's prank is Jennifer Fowler 382 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 7: called them. 383 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: Listen, you can hear them off in the woods. I 384 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: know they're there every fucking night this goddamn week, right 385 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: outside my window, tapping and laughing. 386 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 7: Fast forwarded around on that first tape, his last one. 387 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: He'd recorded, come on and. 388 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: You piece this shit, Come on, show your goddamn faces. 389 00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 3: Finally, come on, come on, come on. 390 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: Oh oh you motherfuckers. 391 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: God damn dear. 392 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 7: The tape from the perceiving that was much different. So 393 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 7: I skipped back a week or two and had another drink. 394 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: After reading letters, James Fincher wrote to doctor Tratner. I 395 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: went down to the Pottsville Library and pulled every book 396 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: Fincher checked out. He'd also had the library and printed 397 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: a few articles he'd found on their microfiche, and from 398 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: around Halloween he's run in the Pottsville Press. As I 399 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: don't know, I guess you'd call it what passes for 400 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: a human interest story around here. Amongst these tales of 401 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: terror and woe is this strange case of Nadine O'Leary 402 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: of the O'Leary family, Scotch settlers who had landed in 403 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: Norfolk and decided to try their. 404 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 3: Luck heading west. 405 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: Davis Wentworth of the newly founded Pottsville walked out onto 406 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: her back porch to find a small creature hunched over, 407 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: eating raw eggs whole from her chicken coop. At first, 408 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: she believed it to be a mangy bear, it was 409 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 2: so stooped and filthy. It turned out to be young 410 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: Nadine O'Leary, dressed in rags, missing fingers in parts of 411 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: her face from frostbite. She was nearly feral. For decades. 412 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: Nadine would give only a cursory account. However, on her 413 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: deathbed she told a different story. 414 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 16: What the fuck. 415 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Well damn, a tree has landed on the 416 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 7: roof of the house, flush up against the chimney. Jesus, 417 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 7: Come on, detective, what else you got here? 418 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: Fas cases of Tom Trevor. He's thirty four, father of 419 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: two young children. Report it dead June thirtieth, nineteen ninety 420 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: after being spotted on a hike with it. Laura Solace? 421 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: Also what uh? Laura Solace? 422 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: Is that. 423 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: Wife of Paul Solace, mother of Julian Solace? Small world? 424 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 7: No, no fucking way. 425 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: What were you doing hiking with old Tom, Miss Solace? 426 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: No, he too fell, if her testimony was to be believed. No, 427 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: cracked his skull wide open, brains spilled out all. 428 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 6: Over the world. 429 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: No, but why were you with him? Looks like you 430 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 3: will with your husband at the dealership. 431 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: You'll probably travel to the same tiny circles in this hellhole, 432 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: probably tracked the same shitty beers and the same shitty bars. 433 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: Your kids maybe even played together. 434 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 11: Oh my god, we're. 435 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: Just passing the time talking about your happy marriages, your 436 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: beloved children. 437 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: Did you talk about Julian? But were you going up 438 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 3: there for something else? 439 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 6: What? 440 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: Hello? Is anyone out there? 441 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 6: Oh my god? 442 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: You get a little squirrel here? 443 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: So did he take it too far, move too fast 444 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: for you misunderstand your intent? 445 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: Did you push him? Or did you in a moment 446 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: of fear maybe he's bearing down on you. 447 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: Did you pick up a rock and finish that creasy 448 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: motherfucking yourself? 449 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: She wouldn't. Now you're probably right. She was just out 450 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: for a stroll in the woods with a friend, nothing more. 451 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we'll never know, will we, Julian? 452 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: Why don't we talk about something else? The subject doesn't 453 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: seem to agree with you. 454 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: I can't think of anything. 455 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 6: What happened to the olders? 456 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 5: Ah? 457 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want a real devil's prank. This isn't the 458 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: first house to be built on this property. Guess who 459 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 2: the first owner of this land was? 460 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 6: Was it shamous oldier? 461 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 3: Well? 462 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 2: Look at you, Nancy Drew, How damn son you could 463 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 2: have been a detective. When he died, it passed down 464 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 2: to his only living relative, Nadine, who built a cabin 465 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: here and lived until the rife old age of ninety 466 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: before passing it down to her grandson, who knocked it 467 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: down and built this place. 468 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 3: You find yourself sit right now? 469 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 2: William Fowler Jennifer Fowler's granddad and my own benefactor. 470 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 5: Oh small fucking world. 471 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 3: You ain't kidding. 472 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,919 Speaker 15: The only reus what happened to them in the cave. 473 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 2: Navin's story didn't that up. There was no way she 474 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: could have sabred by herself, and on her. 475 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 3: Deathbed she fessed up. 476 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: Seamus wasn't much of a hunter, and one day I 477 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: was trying to build a snare, Shamus slipped and broke 478 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 2: his ankle, compound bone sticking out. Took him hours to 479 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,720 Speaker 2: hop her back to the caves. Within a couple of days, 480 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: he'd succumbed to sepsis not a pretty way to die, 481 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: fever dreams and visions of hell. Poor bastard. They were 482 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 2: devastated within it. Eleanor wailed and gnashed her teeth and 483 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: pulled out her hair. Though she was grieving, she was 484 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 2: in a dumb She saw an opportunity to keep her 485 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: girls alive. 486 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 6: Oh, they ate their daddy. 487 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 3: That's right. 488 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: They ate him right up, bit by bit, cutting off 489 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: parts of him with a rock ILLINOI shope keeping the 490 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: body cold at the mouth of the cave, hoping there 491 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: would be a break in the weather so they could 492 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: try to make it back to civilization. But that break 493 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: didn't come, and as the days passed and the meat dwindled, 494 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: they began to lose all hope. Three days later, Milicine 495 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: got sick dysentery, Daddy's flesh had gone rancid. One night late, 496 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 2: the fire had died down. Nadine awoke, feeling that something 497 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 2: wasn't right. She looked over to where her sister was 498 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: sleeping and saw a form huddled over her, shaking and 499 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 2: grunting as her eyes had just as she realized it 500 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: was her mother, smothering the life out of her older 501 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 2: daughter to put her out of her misery. 502 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 6: Jesus Christ. 503 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: And this is where it gets interesting. Eleanor died in 504 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 2: the caves too starvation. Her remains were found along with 505 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 2: the others. 506 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 7: So how did Nadine survive? 507 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: As a child, she claimed there was someone else in 508 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 2: the caves, a nameless and faithless man who led her 509 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 2: to safety. Then, when she was older, she denied it, 510 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 2: and the truth about what happened in the caves, well, 511 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: Nadine carried that to her deathbed, and she died right 512 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 2: here in this room. Only then did she whisper the 513 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: story to her grandson, mister William Fowler, same man who 514 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 2: left me this house. 515 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 5: You didn't leave town, did you? 516 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: What happened there? 517 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 2: It is again? 518 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 7: Let's smell what'd smell? 519 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 2: Apple wood, smoke, lightning struck, makes for damn fine barbecue. 520 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 3: What happened to me? 521 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 2: Take a look around your old all, will you? 522 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 3: No? No, no, no? What happened? Really? 523 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: I think I live something over there? 524 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 6: Last? I love this, I appreciate. 525 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 3: Jesus. 526 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 16: Hello, Julia Tyler? Yeah, what the fuck? 527 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 3: You probably wanted grand ship and get out of there? 528 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 16: What where are you? 529 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: Seriously? You're five? 530 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 16: What? What the fuck? 531 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 17: What the fuck? 532 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: Tyler? 533 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 17: Tyler? 534 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 6: Hello, Tyler? 535 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 16: What the hell? 536 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 7: I looked back at the house and there she was, 537 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 7: silhouetted before the bright flames that began to engulf the 538 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 7: Fowler homestead. A little girl in a tatter dress standing 539 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 7: in the doorway like a whole of blackness, a nothing 540 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 7: that's negative space, a paper girl cut out of this world, 541 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 7: her eyes barely visible on the flickering light. It was 542 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 7: Nadine O'Leary watching me, and soon she was enveloped by 543 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 7: the heat waves and smoked it and golfed in front 544 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 7: porch of the house. 545 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 3: Breeze. 546 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 16: What hairs right? Sing, Holy, this was an accident. The 547 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 16: fuck up? Pick her hairs raised? Turn around, truly, I'm telling. 548 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 14: You that, shut the fuck up. Turn around, Neil, kick 549 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 14: your hairs right. 550 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 7: What's the point of you talking? 551 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 16: Yeah, the right to remain silent. 552 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 20: Anything you say can and we'll be held against you. 553 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 7: In a court of law, you dumb motherfucker. 554 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 20: Once it's sixth to radio, I got it, ding car 555 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 20: now way. 556 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: The mana Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sallace, 557 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: Eddie Gatheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, 558 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson, 559 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 1: Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Dooley Tappert, 560 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: Scott Poythus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher, 561 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: Justin Matthews Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sallas, 562 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovich as Thomas Hadley, 563 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body Walter as Jimmy Fincher, 564 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: Brian McClure as Ian Spinks, Larry Clark as Bobby Hadley, 565 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: Payden Fallis as ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as William Fowler, 566 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy as The Darkness, 567 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill, Edward Howard, 568 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, Bailey Heineman, 569 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by Connell Byrne 570 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe Cooper and 571 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 1: Nicholas Dakoski, featuring our theme song Killer Inside, written produced 572 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: and performed by Lera A. 573 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 3: Lynn. 574 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, 575 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: and Courtney du Frees. Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television 576 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: are Jeremy Gold, Chris Dickey, and Noah Feinberg. Produced by 577 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: Dan Bush, music by Ben Lovett. Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez. 578 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: This episode features the song Wayfaring Stranger, performed by Helena Rose, 579 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: edited by Dan Bush, Chris Childs, Stephen Perez, and David Chen. 580 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: Sound design by Benjamin Balcom. Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. 581 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: Dialogue editing and sound mixing by Juan Campos. Recorded at 582 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: Studio Awesome in Los Angeles, Sound Byte Studio in Atlanta, 583 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: and Echo Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy 584 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: and Meg Mormon. Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director, 585 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: Michael Monty, second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator 586 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 1: Sarah Klein. Supervising producer Josh Than Special thanks to Mary 587 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: Ellen and Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The 588 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: Manowalk Caves is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television 589 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: and Psycopia Pictures Us. 590 00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 5: The Crows Seltendi. 591 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 2: And enter. 592 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 3: A home way to card. 593 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 9: I'm going there to see my sign who shed for me. 594 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 5: It's precious Bill. I am just going way over toward him. 595 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 17: I am just go