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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to another edition of Fair Territory. We're coming

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Speaker 1: to you live from the General Manager's meetings in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, I want to mention Veterans Day

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Speaker 1: and thank all the veterans, of course for their service.

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Speaker 1: I know this is the day we always thank them

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Speaker 1: every day that we should be thanking the veterans their sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: It cannot even be described in words, So Happy Veterans

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Speaker 1: Day to all. Now, as for baseball, it's been quite

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Speaker 1: an interesting week already because of something that happens off

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Speaker 1: the field, and of course I'm talking about the indictments

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Speaker 1: of The Guardian's pitchers Emmanuel Class and Luis Ortiz on Chargers.

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Speaker 1: They took bribes from sports vetters on to throw specific

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Speaker 1: pitches that would trigger prop bets, basically doing things that

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Speaker 1: were anti integrity, if you want to call it that.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about what this means about the

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Speaker 1: gambling aspect, about all the companies, including ours, including everyone

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Speaker 1: I work for, that is in partnership with gambling companies,

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Speaker 1: Baseball's partnership with gambling companies. We've also learned Monday yesterday

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Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball has worked with the sportsbooks to

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Speaker 1: institute a two hundred dollars limit on pitch level micro

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Speaker 1: bets and to also exclude them from parlays. I've obviously

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Speaker 1: the idea is to kind of prevent this from happening

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Speaker 1: in the future, or at least take a step to

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Speaker 1: help prevent this from happening. What we haven't talked much

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Speaker 1: about is the actual effect on the Guardians themselves as

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Speaker 1: a baseball team. You see there this story from Zach Mizel,

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Speaker 1: really good story explaining everything that's in the indictment and

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Speaker 1: all that it came to pass with these two pitchers

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Speaker 1: the Guardians last year, Remember, they did not have these

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Speaker 1: two guys for their stretch run. Luis Ortiz did not

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Speaker 1: after July twenty sixth. They both were placed on nondisciplinary

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Speaker 1: paid leave while the Major League Baseball investigation was going on.

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Speaker 1: What happened, the Guardians did not fall apart without one

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Speaker 1: of their starting pitchers and their premier closer. They went

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Speaker 1: in the wildcard round. Now the question becomes, all right,

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Speaker 1: what about this season? What do they do about these guys?

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Speaker 1: I assume, but perhaps I should not assume that they

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Speaker 1: will remain on nondisciplinary paid leave. That's a problem for

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Speaker 1: the Guardians, who are a low budget team and classeas

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Speaker 1: do six point four million in twenty twenty six, or

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Speaker 1: Tea's would be right around the minimum salary seven hundred

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Speaker 1: The Guardians certainly can use that money. My understanding is

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Speaker 1: as of right now that money is not available to them,

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Speaker 1: but we should learn more about that in the coming days,

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Speaker 1: so we'll have to see how that all plays out

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Speaker 1: for the Guardians. Clearly they can figure things out either way.

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Speaker 1: But if they got some clarity on what these guys

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Speaker 1: will be paid or not paid, it certainly would help

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Speaker 1: them as they go forward in the off season. Now,

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Speaker 1: also in the Al Central, I wrote a notes column

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Speaker 1: to them, my first one of the off season, and

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Speaker 1: I led with the Twins, and the Twins are an

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Speaker 1: interesting team because if you look at them and you

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Speaker 1: go back to the deadline, they traded everybody, well pretty

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Speaker 1: much everybody their entire bullpen for sure, and a number

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Speaker 1: at the deadline. But the Twins did not get an

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Speaker 1: year a winnable al central. The Twins are not like

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Speaker 1: the Rockies kind of bereft of talent. They've got talent

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Speaker 1: Byron Buxton, Ryan Lopez, some younger players around on them,

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Speaker 1: If they actually built around these guys, they might be interesting. Now, Remember,

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Speaker 1: for one point seven billion. They did not get that price,

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Speaker 1: Another team in a similar boat, another team with a

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Speaker 1: They're coming off a disappointing season eighty one and eighty one.

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Speaker 1: We know that their payroll is not going to be

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks announced his retirement yesterday and he is such

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Speaker 1: congratulations to Kyle on a tremendous career. He's a guy

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Speaker 1: back to that twenty sixteen World Series, well, Game three,

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Speaker 1: Out for the inside dish, the part of the show

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Speaker 1: Time now for grilling, can the part of the show

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Speaker 1: They've been a really good team with him, obviously. Now

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Speaker 1: do I agree with that idea. I'm torn because, on

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, trading a pitcher who likely will

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Speaker 1: time when you don't necessarily need to do that, When

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Speaker 1: for a third straight year and win with Trek Scuble,

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Speaker 1: that seems to be the Tiger's preference. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: hard they get pushed. You're asking which team would push

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Speaker 1: because Google has only one year of club control remaining,

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Speaker 1: who knows what the returns might be. The return for

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Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns that the Brewers got two years ago was good?

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Speaker 1: Was it awesome? No? So this is a situation that

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Speaker 1: what do the Pirates need to do to be successful

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Speaker 1: next year? I want to see Skians in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: A lot of us want to see that. And what

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Speaker 1: the Pirates need to do is find some offense. Balance

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Speaker 1: their roster. They are good with pitching. They're really good

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Speaker 1: with starting pitching. They've got depth there. They can trade

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Speaker 1: Mitch Keller, maybe someone else to get the bats that

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Speaker 1: Pirates obviously need to get more offense. Their general manager

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Speaker 1: Ben Sherrington, Pirates owner Bob Nutting kept him well. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got to do some things to improve this team

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Speaker 1: in a way that like the Tigers with Scooball, you

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Speaker 1: would want to take advantage of having schemes and you've

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Speaker 1: All right, that is it for today's show. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank everyone for watching, for listening. Foul Territory is

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Speaker 1: coming up. It's Jace Tangler, new Giants coach, Chris Kershcher

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Speaker 1: of the Athletic Ryan Divish from the Seattle Times and

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Speaker 1: you're going to join Scott aj and Eric Kratz. Fair

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Speaker 1: Territory returns Thursday again from the Jam Meetings live at

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty Eastern. I'll talk to you then. Thanks everyone,