1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: So we have Cecilia Fielhoy coming on. Girl. I am 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: just so thankful that you watched Love Con Revenge on 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Netflix because it isn't it so good? I'm obsessed with this. Yeah, 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the fact that, I mean, she got scammed for over 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: two hundred she's the Tindler swindler, she was one of 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the victims of him. She got scammed over two hundred 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars and she was just one, just one, 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: like I one for him to mess with, though cannot imagine. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: I get really excited, you know, to have someone on 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that you know, we watch the show. So I'm like, 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: can we please get her on? And because I have 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: kind of a crazy story about my own little scammer, 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: so whoo, let's get her on and talk all things 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: so that nobody here gets love Scammed, Love Conned. Okay, 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: so we'll just hop right into it. I am so 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: excited to have you on. I mean, I truly I've 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: and this is my best friend Kristen and I'm Janna 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: by the way, and I was like, girl, you gotta 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: watch Love Con. I'm so in I love a girl 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: that takes any I just love smart women. Yes, it is. 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I brilliant women are just hot to me, you know, 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: like wasn't happily married love my husband, but he knows 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: that there's like a type of woman that just handles 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: and you are that and I love it. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 27 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: And I think it's so beautiful what you've done too, 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: because obviously you were very vulnerable to share your story 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: on the Tinder swindler, but then you took it and 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: you know you've now you know, are doing this love 31 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: con revenge on Netflix, and it's like, man, instead of 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: being ashamed or staying in a place of you know, gosh, 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed, it's like, no, I'm going to go 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: help other women. And I'm like, she's my girl. I 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: love her. And just how emotional it is for you still, 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Like it's so sweet to me. It's so genuine, you know, 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: like you get in the car and you're like the 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: fighting back the tears because you see the vulnerability and 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: you care about these women so deeply and their experience. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that was maybe one of the hardest 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: things is that how still raw it is like for 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: me it happened now seven years ago, but it gets 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: brought up because they're so similar, so similar to the tactics. 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: It's so similar to the personalities sits. And then seeing 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: that it happens again and again and again to these 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: amazing people. You know, people are just kind and loving 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: and they just you just want to be loved and 48 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: this is what they get back. So yeah, it's it 49 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: was tougher than I expected to be prank. 50 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: With you, I bet. 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 52 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: One thing that kind of fascinated me and then I 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: was like, I get it was the borrowing money and 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: paying it back to gain trust. Like, not much surprises me, 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: I feel like with the human race at this point, 56 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: or shady men, but that really did surprise me. 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: It's it's just so common. It's across the board. It's 58 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: both when it's purely online as well. Is that even 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: if it's just an employment scam, it will always be 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: something that people pay back that they just get some money, 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: so they feel like this is real. You know, I 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: can't trust this individual and it's so mean, it's so 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: mean spirited, and they can do this because of the 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Ponzi scheme, you know, so they always have a big money. 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: Maybe you know, they get some money and then I 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: can just keep this person continuing with me, and it's 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: just it's evil. That's why I say this crime and 68 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: these people. 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: How much money again, did did Simon get from other women? Total? 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: I have to say that is a bit of the 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: It's a bit annoying with the Tinder swindler, like he 72 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: defrauded much more than just women and most most criminal do. 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: It was like ten million dollars that has been kind 74 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: of but I can't imagine it's a lot more. He 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: has an active case still in UK. Were on base 76 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: where it was a company fraud, where there was a man, 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: so a man who believed him, and that's where he 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: got the private jets and the luxury cars because when 79 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: he walked in and back in the day before thanks 80 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: to me, he was on Google people. He played the part, 81 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: he looked the part, he had people around him. So yeah, 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: he took a lot of money. But kind of what 83 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: I think is sad about romance frauds compared to company fraud, 84 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: like billion dollars. Sometimes you know, people lose in these cases. 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: With romance fraud, there isn't that much, you know. So 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: when I reported my case to the police, since mine 87 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: was only two hundred thousand pounds and the company had 88 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 2: lost five hundred thousand pounds. That was an easier case 89 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: and he would get much worse sentencing for that one 90 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: than what he did towards me. And that is painful 91 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: from the human element, like the emotional abuse, I would 92 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: say in submit abuse as well, like I did not 93 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: consent to that relationship with him at all. So to 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: feel that is very black and white when it comes 95 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: to law, and that is kind of very tough for 96 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: a fraud victim to hear, well, he didn't take enough 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: money out of you for us to take it seriously. 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild, Like, that's just that's crazy. When when 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: I was watching you know, Love cond it's like so 100 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: many of these women these cases where it's like they 101 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: won't because it's like, well it's thirty grand or whatever 102 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 1: it is. It's like that is a lot of money. 103 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: That's a lot of money and what So it's just okay, that's. 104 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: What and especially that is old. I don't know when 105 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: you saw Aaron's case, it was the statute of Limitations. 106 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I've watched all of them. I loved it. 107 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: But five years what are you talking about? So you 108 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: say if a fraudster, scammera or criminal can go into 109 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: hiding for five years. It's almost like the crime didn't 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: happen five years, it's nothing like and then FBI is 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, well we can't say that. Everyone 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: was like, well, it's just someone's life. 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: Right and they're savings and their retirement and did you 114 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: end up getting your money back from him? No? 115 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 2: Like I feel really bad for a lot of fraud victims, 116 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: like even in this series. And I don't mean it 117 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: like that, but in the US, you love civil lawsuits. 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: I never seen so many fraud cases where there's civil 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: lawsuits going here and there. And like, what unfortunately is 120 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: with fraudsters is that they're spending the money and if 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: they hide them, they hide them pretty well. It's not 122 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: so easy that you can go just to a civil lawsuit. 123 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: These are criminals. They will jump state, they will jump countries. 124 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: Like that is just how it is. But in some 125 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: of these cases, you know, I understand you want to 126 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: take them to trial in one way or the other. 127 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: You want justice and civil is a way out, but 128 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: there are no money. So sometimes there's been a judgment 129 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: then towards the scammer and he's they say, well, you 130 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: need to pay this woman back ex month, so he 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: then has to defraud someone else to pay her to 132 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: let her go get off his back so he can continue. 133 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: So that is what sometimes happens. So I feel so 134 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: bad for fraud victims because we have nowhere to go. 135 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: We have no way to get justice because no matter 136 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: what we do, we will do it wrong. That's why 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: I've never gotten gone to a civil lawsuit against Simon. 138 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: There are no money. Shall I use my money for 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: a lawyer when there is no money? 140 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: Okay? So that makes sense because I'm like, well, I 141 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: don't understand, but he took it from me, so he's 142 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: got to have it, but he just spend it on Yeah, 143 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: and then he actually doesn't have the money, so it's money. 144 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: You're going after money that actually doesn't exist anymore. 145 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: And that's what's sad. And I say, like, I totally 146 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: get why people are making civil lawsuits and sometimes I 147 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: want to do it too, But we're fraud victims. We 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: don't have money. We've been defrauded, so we don't have 149 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: money for lawyers. So yeah, I had to file for 150 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: bankruptcy in the UK. I had to sell my flats 151 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: like I can't even have a credit card, so kind 152 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: of the it's been huge, kind of constant coinstance for me, 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: you know, personally, and for a lot of others in 154 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: love con you know, like it's it's it's forever scarred 155 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: them in a very long period of times, especially with Charisa, 156 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: you know, the marriage fraud with two million dollars and 157 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: that that is how do you get out from that? 158 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: I think what was telling, but also it's I could 159 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: have predicted these would be these people's responses, but when 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: you guys had the moments where you're sitting in the 161 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: car waiting to to confront these fraudsters, they have just 162 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: zero compassion, empathy. They're just they're like so annoyed you're there, 163 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like it's such a typical abuser's 164 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: response to be like you're already annoying, why are you here? 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: Get away? Like and it's like the blame and it's 166 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: just it's so just mind blowing to me how that 167 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: is how they act that way and then take no accountability, 168 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: Like this Tad Dean guy, like we live in Nashville, 169 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Like where's this Tadan dude? 170 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: I know? 171 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: I was like we're about to ride. We ride at 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: Don Kramer. I'm like, you don't what do you mean, 173 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: You're not going to own have any owner. There's zero ownership, 174 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: And that piece just drives me mad. 175 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: Tardin is something he started putting some stuff out on 176 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: YouTube again. So they're so similar in the sense of 177 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: the grandiose view of themselves that this is something that Okay, 178 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna capitalize of this. I am not embarrassed, like 179 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: most people will be very shaved, right, you wouldn't post 180 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: anything that social media. Yeah, but these people are not 181 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,119 Speaker 2: like you and me. I like, I can say they're narcissistant, 182 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: psychopaths goal at me, but they have no empathy. And 183 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: they are the most dangerous people out there because they 184 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: look and act the part. They're so good at acting 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: like their care but they are just putting on a mask, 186 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: you know. So when we try to tell this to people, 187 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: well this happened between No, people wouldn't do that. People 188 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: will so kind of todd for me, and like, especially 189 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: with Ricky when we did the confrontation, Like I it's 190 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: weird when you have been defrauded, how well you know 191 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: of the types of how they are. I knew they 192 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: would just stand there like compare. We're and I always 193 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: say about the confrontations, We're not doing that to get answers. 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: I know they will lie, they will never admit it. 195 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: We don't go up to them and say, Hi, why 196 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: did you defraud Bridget and then suddenly Ricky will just say, yes, 197 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry I did it. Like come on, he 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: lied about a military career, he lied. 199 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: About having a wild yeah. 200 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: Everything, he has a tattoo. Do you think that this 201 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: dude suddenly then will just suddenly realize that he's done 202 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: anything wrong. 203 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you got me, You're right, I lied about 204 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: all of it. He wasn't my best friend though I 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: tattooed or do things. 206 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, that is such an empowering thing for 207 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: a victim to do. And I say, I'm not saying 208 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: to people to go out and confront their criminal. We 209 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: do have secure We are making sure that we're doing 210 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: it at the right time. They have the support. No 211 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: one was you know, they wanted to do it. And 212 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: I've done it as well, so kind of that's why 213 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: my main thing was, like we do it because a 214 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of times we felt weak, we felt ashamed. We've cried. 215 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: We've been distraught, and to stand there with us and 216 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: a camera crew and like I will expose to you now. 217 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: They knew what was coming, and that is what's wonderful 218 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: about it, Like what's up with the cameras and like, yeah, 219 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: you might not be in jail, but you will be 220 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: on Netflix. And that is what I love about it. 221 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I love you, this is my girl. 222 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: It's a sentence in itself because I know that. 223 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: And we all know they're lying. That's you know, It's like, oh, 224 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: how they still believe their innocence is what just makes me. Yeah, 225 00:11:51,040 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: I just want to throw something at the TV. Did 226 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: you ever hear? This is like a burning question for 227 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: me and I don't know why I'm stuck on this. 228 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: Did you ever hear from Kit you left to know 229 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: on her porch? 230 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: That is sometimes my I was really I like, of course, 231 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, when you edit stuff down, that was very 232 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: emotional for me. Like, I thought that was horrible because 233 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: she's been with them for such a long time and 234 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 2: I think she's still with them. I have no idea. 235 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: There are some people that are just impossible to help. 236 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: And like when we were making it, there were a 237 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: lot of people who have tried, so I was kind 238 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: of the lost resort. She had lost friends over this, 239 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: long term friends, but you know, she's chosen her nightmare, 240 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: I say, And I'm wondering. I'm wondering what's happened now though, 241 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: you know, you never know if thanks that is what 242 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: I was hoping, like, Okay, maybe not when we were filming, 243 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: but maybe when it's coming out like that, she will, 244 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 2: you know, realize what's happening to her. She's lost a 245 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: lot of money, and I don't know. Still to this day, 246 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: I have a. 247 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: Lot of women come out since this has become I mean, 248 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: i'd imagine this happen is just so much more common 249 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: than we even realize. I mean, even you bringing as 250 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: much as you have to light I'm sure I can 251 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: even think back to just dudes I know, not dudes 252 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: I dated, but you know, like people I knew that 253 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: were in some way some form doing this to women. 254 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: And and just my old schoolness of being like, well 255 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: the women don't like if a man's asking you for money, 256 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: that just felt gross to me or whatever. But now 257 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: with the popularity of the show, are you getting way 258 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: more people reaching out and saying like this is happening 259 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: to me, or this is happening to my best friend, 260 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: or I think it could be happening to this person. 261 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Can you research this person? 262 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: It's it's been insane. I bet it happened during the 263 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: Tender Swindler, and that was kind of the premise for it. 264 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: But to see as well now and did the desperation. 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: They're contacting me in every channel I have, and police 266 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: help me. So it's everything wanting to be on a 267 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: season two, you know, I just want the story out 268 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: that they really realize that there's nothing else to do 269 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: then doing what I did, you know, go to the 270 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: media and get some justice that way till like can 271 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: you help me? Like what can I do? Now? The 272 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: police are not caring, and that is a thread amongst 273 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: all here. You know, police not caring and you can 274 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: see it through love conravenge as well. And it's not 275 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: to bash them, as I say, they don't know enough, 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: they don't have enough priorities about this. It's viewed as 277 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: a victimless crime. But to see the amount of people 278 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: I've been pretty down in the last weeks because I'm 279 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: sitting here as one individual, like I don't know the 280 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: laws in all the countries. I don't know where to go, Like, 281 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: I'm not an oracle, and I love that people have 282 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: that connection with me now that they feel like, oh 283 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: Cecily is here to help us. Yeah, it feels like 284 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh god, damn it. No. But these 285 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: heartbreaking stories and as well, it's not only love cons, 286 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: you know, it's family, friends, and it's all over the world. 287 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: So that is another thing where I'm like, people are like, oh, 288 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: can we start like a love conn in Australia, you know, 289 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: or South Africa? You know, everyone is just like, we 290 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: have tons of scammers here. And I just love the 291 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: As I said, it was almost with the Tinderswilller, they 292 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: kind of hunt for it, the hunt for justice that 293 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: a lot and people feel. That is what I know. 294 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: Love Conn is different because we tell five stories. But 295 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: I was hoping that that people would realize how many 296 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: of them are out there. Remember, this is just five 297 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: stories that fitted into how you know, the storytelling that 298 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: we have like the amount of people that their frauds 299 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: happened just in twenty nineteen. You know, it's the and 300 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: the amounts here, the amounts people are losing are just 301 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: and that's what when we were talking, you know, thirty 302 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: k it doesn't feel that much because sometimes people lose 303 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: two hundred already, thirty K is an insane amount of 304 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: money to just suddenly, you know, never see again. And yeah, 305 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: it's been I don't know what to say. It's been 306 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: really tough because I can answer them all. It's that 307 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: would be impossible. 308 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: And you're like, inside, so there's only five stories that 309 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: you did in love con But inside of those five stories, 310 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's dozens of people attached to each story. Yeah, 311 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: it's so webby. 312 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is kind of like and you know, 313 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: when you put stuff out into the world, we need 314 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent sure, not everyone we've spoken to. 315 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: And that's what I mean, Like, these are only the 316 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: ones that we have kind of confirmed we can stand 317 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: firmly on. But the amount of victims that you know, 318 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: we already know now has come out afterwards with all 319 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: of these different ones. It's for me. I think that 320 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: is the saddest part is when people reach out to 321 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: me now is a sense that I can't really help them. 322 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: You know, they want their money back, they want the 323 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: police to take on the case, and it's a nightmare 324 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: and I don't mean it like that. But over in 325 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: the US, I was like really set back about the 326 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: difficulties of the victims in these cases in love con 327 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: to actually just make a report. In Lindsey's case with 328 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: Chris the baseball player, she you know, all of them 329 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: if they tried, no, not even a report. They had 330 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: to gather three four victims at once and go to 331 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: a police station in person to be taken seriously. The 332 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: amount of work a victim then needs to do by 333 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: themselves finding out the victims, you know, like become a 334 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: PI themselves to find out the victims and figure things out. 335 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: It's just astonishing to me. I got a lot that 336 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: says it's weird that you're doing the job that the 337 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: police should be doing. 338 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, and you also have to get not 339 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: only do you have to identify the victims, but then 340 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: you have to try to get these victims to step forward, yeah, 341 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: which I can imagine is a feat, even if they 342 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: are hurt or want their money back. At some point 343 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: probably it's like is this worth my energy? Do I 344 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: want to be part of this? Do I want to 345 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: be on TV? I mean there's a lot of layers 346 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: too to that, and you I mean, you're just really 347 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: up against a lot. 348 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as I say, not everyone should have to 349 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: go public. I feel really bad now that is this 350 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 2: the way we have to do it to get someone 351 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: in jail? For example, now the Tinder spindler is in jail, 352 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: and someone was saying, like, do you need a Netflix 353 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: series for people to take these kind of connartists seriously 354 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: and in the end get any justice. So that is 355 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: what I feel sometimes about having to go public. It's 356 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: like I did it out of desperation frankly back in 357 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: twenty nine team, and then when Netflix came on board 358 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: then I was a bit more strong, so I was like, hell, yeah, 359 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: you know, let's make it global. But I always say 360 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: to people that comes to me and like do it. 361 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: If you do it for the right reasons, it can 362 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: be incredibly healing. But you need to have a tough skin. 363 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: Have you had that moment of confrontation with Simon I 364 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: don't remember. 365 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: Yeah I did, and he did as well when I 366 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: did confront him. And for me, that is why I 367 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: wanted it in the series, because for me it was 368 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: super healing to look him in the eyes and laugh 369 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: at him instead of crying and show who I am 370 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: now and kind of that I brought him down and 371 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: kind of just having that moment and as well to 372 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: see him like after Love Corn Revenge, he tagged me 373 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,239 Speaker 2: on Instagram as well that he was watching Love Corn 374 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: Revenge and he had to ad me blosto. Yeah. I 375 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: got so triggered by that because he is my abuser. 376 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: People tend to forget for a lot of people, he's 377 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: a laughing stock, you know, like, look how stupid. 378 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: It is the audacity for him to tag you. 379 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so congratulations on your new Netflix series at 380 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: Cecilia even I'm watching it. And later yeah, but less 381 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: than a week later he was in jail, So that 382 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: was kind of carva for me. Is so great that 383 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: he felt so triggered by me having a new Netflix series, 384 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: and that is why it tastes even sweeter because I 385 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: bet that you regret meeting me, and a lot of 386 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: frosters will be very angry in general, because thanks to this, 387 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: we have another avenue now in Love con Revenge that 388 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: people hopefully will be a bit more Okay, I might 389 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: be in a show, you know, I might as well, 390 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: you know, get my face out there, and maybe I 391 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: should stop doing this you know, I don't know, but 392 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 2: that is like kind of my tiny little hope that 393 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: there are another repercussions for these frosters that they never 394 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: even imagined that they would have. 395 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: I mean, how about Todd even mentioning you in the audio? 396 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: I was like blown away. He's like the Tinder Swindler. 397 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: You know, they think I'm some sort of and I'm like, 398 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: the narcissism is so deep and so broad that you 399 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: don't even understand. You've literally identified yourself inside your own audio. 400 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Wild That was. 401 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 2: The strangest thing because Tinder Swindler. And if you think 402 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: about the Tinder Swindler and see yourself in that when 403 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: he says no, I'm not like, well you do. It's 404 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: kind of your contructor row like. 405 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: No, what do you tell people that are like the 406 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: three biggest red flags of a scammer that you've kind 407 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: of worn people with. 408 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: It's so I always say this because this is like 409 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: very I always say this is abuse and so manipulative, 410 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: like if they're groomed you, these are so difficult to see. 411 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: It becomes like an abusive relationship. And we know how 412 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: that is. Why didn't you leave? Why did you stay? Well? 413 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: I love him, you know, he treats me well, you know, 414 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: like so, but like if you say before you enter, 415 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: that's age of it where it's much more difficult, Like 416 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: I would say that the relationship is just moving super quick, 417 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: like everything happens quick, like you know, the I love yous, 418 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: like the moving in maybe future faking as well, like 419 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: talking about getting married, married like babies, you know, all 420 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: of these type of things that sometimes in some relationships 421 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: might happen, but in most cases it should be a 422 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: bit more progressional in the relationship. And then I love 423 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 2: you immediately and as well, I feel as well, if 424 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: they are kind of both talking a lot about finances, 425 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: I know sometimes that the kind of the type of 426 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 2: work they're doing, if they're really like I am this 427 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 2: and that, and I'm kind of if they're really taken 428 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: with money in general, all I have to say, all 429 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: this needs to fit together in a little package. So 430 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: like I think separately they can, but if as well, 431 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: if they're really taken about with money, finances, what you're doing, 432 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: if they can kind of gather if you have some 433 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: finances and how are you sitting in it? If they're 434 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: really taken with it, and then I have to say, 435 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: love bombing, you know, constant attention, They're always there, You're 436 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: their perfect person. They mirror you so kind of you 437 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: feel like you met your soulmate. And you know, when 438 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: I say all of these things, though separately, there are 439 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: some relationships that are like that. Some people you can 440 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: say that you love them after three weeks, get married 441 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: after three months, and then they're still together, if you 442 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And that's why I think it's 443 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: sad about it. It's not that this is like a 444 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 2: you know, no, no, if this is it, it's it sucks. 445 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: But I think it's been so mindful and as I say, 446 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: the biggest red flag of all, which I find so annoying, 447 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, they ask for money or they want 448 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 2: you to invest in crypto. If I hear another, I 449 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: know some people love crypto, but come on, most people 450 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: should not handle crypto, you know. I think there's a 451 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: lot of fluff there. And yeah, so I think be 452 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: mindful the earlier you can get out of an abusive relationship. 453 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: To easter it is in general, you know. 454 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: Right, It's something though, because so I met my first 455 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: abuser when I was nineteen, and I didn't even know 456 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: that but I was. I became in a way his accomplice. 457 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: But I wasn't allowed to ask me questions about things. 458 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: And you know, there were so many times where he 459 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: said he was a DJ for Eminem. He even had 460 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: DJ cases that had Eminem on there. And like, I'm 461 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: from Michigan, so my little Michigan girl heart was like yes, yes, 462 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: like spaghetti, you know what I mean, Like I am, 463 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: I'm here for this. And you know, he had a 464 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: Porsche and like I didn't come from money, and like, 465 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's very it was like very lavish, right, 466 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: and so you know, he he would say he's going 467 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: away on tour. But again I didn't look to Google 468 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: like when the tour dates were. I guess I never 469 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: even asked like why I didn't come or go. But 470 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: you know he'd come home with these like stacks of money, 471 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: and I remember asking one time, and that was around 472 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: the time that the abuse started to get, you know, 473 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: fit really physical and so and then he'd be like, hey, 474 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: take this card and this is the pin. Can you 475 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: take out a couple hundred dollars? And I'm like yeah, 476 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: like okay, you know what I mean. And if I 477 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: was ever asked any questions then you know, I would 478 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: get in trouble. Come to find out, when he ended 479 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: up going to jail for attempted murder on me, he 480 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: had taken out credit cards in mine and my mom's name. 481 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: My mom thirty thousand dollars worth of credit card debt 482 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: that like she had no idea. But and I remember 483 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: him asking me what was your mom's maiden name? In 484 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: social And I was thinking, like, this is weird, why 485 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: does he need this? But I'm you know, like okay, yeah, 486 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: so I'm like I asked my mom, and you know, 487 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: we're discovering this through all the discovery and core, and 488 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: it was just like it's that moment where it's like, 489 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, like just completely scammed. And I could 490 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: tell like he would would he would work at a 491 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: place and then I'd be like, are you not working 492 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: at that club anymore? No, But he'd be upstairs, like 493 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: I would just hear the money counting. It's like he 494 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: would just go place to place and just steal, you know, steal. 495 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: And it was just I think back to that version. 496 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: But it's like being so young too. It's like if 497 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: I was to ask a question, I was abused for 498 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: it and I didn't want to upset him, you know, 499 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: so of course he's doing what he's not doing anything wrong, 500 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't even think anything other than that, you know. 501 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: So that's why you know, watching these shows too, I'm 502 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: like I and I never got to have that moment 503 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: with him. I got to see him in court and testify, 504 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: but I didn't really get he wouldn't look at me. 505 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: I feel a lot of times to court or sometimes 506 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: just protecting them, they get it's so easy kind of 507 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: they can either do a plea bargain. I can hear 508 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: a lot of that as well, that people don't really 509 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: get that proper, you know, they get off easily. 510 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: But what I will say, though, I do remember my 511 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: mom not having to pay so like they cleared her 512 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: credit or something because like it ruined her credit. So 513 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: they did do that, so I'm curious, like why some don't. 514 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: It's a bit different because it happened behind your guys's back. 515 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: You didn't do that yourself. So that says where the 516 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 2: frausters are doing it now. They're using our names, they're 517 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: making us to their dirty business. 518 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: Okay, because I was never I never understood that. I was, like, 519 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: I wonder why my mom's got cleared, But like why 520 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: these people can't be. 521 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: Cleared because they didn't do the due diligence when they 522 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: gave that loan. They should have checked that it was 523 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: her that did it. And that is what's sad about 524 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: this type of fraud is that, yes, I did take 525 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: up loans Cherisa as well, and as well when you're married. 526 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: It seems so weird in Cherisa's case, the one with 527 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: the daughters, where since she was married, so many people 528 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 2: are questioning her or the police didn't take it as 529 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: seriously as all. And I was like, of course people 530 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: will marry for these type of fraudulent behaviors. Haven't you 531 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: heard about green card? Like people are marrying for green card? 532 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: We even have TV shows about it. What are you 533 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: talking about? Of course people will, And that is what 534 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: I mean. So she's left with all of that, like 535 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: he could just jump and he can has just started 536 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: a new life as a pastor now, like it's so yeah, yeah, 537 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: it's they are chameleons. They can just be whoever they want. Yeah, 538 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: so his pastor Wilkerson snow, But. 539 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: Is he so now that the show's out that that 540 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: doesn't affect it clearly his congregation is gonna let him go. 541 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: He probably hasn't a sermon not to watch Netflix. It's 542 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: probably under straight to instruction. 543 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: I am like, that is maybe the case that I 544 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: was hoping the most for that we can get some 545 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 2: justice in the end, because it can't, that can't go 546 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: unpunished what he did, especially now that I see that 547 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: people are you know, they're they're the harshest with you know, 548 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: in that case where I feel like that's the worst 549 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: one That was with the family, That was with the daughters. 550 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: That was when I had that case, that was the 551 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 2: one that I was like tugging on my heartstrings the most, 552 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: how dare you do this to this family? 553 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: And then when she started crying after she confronted, I 554 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: was just like, oh. 555 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 2: My god, like and they were so good as well, 556 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: because I was I always felt like, you know, center 557 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 2: the victims. I've always been like, it's so important. So 558 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: I was like with there with them, but I knew 559 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: that they were just they could handle it themselves kind 560 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: of you know how important that is to have the 561 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: moment with them. And I think it gave a proper 562 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: closure for them as young women to just feel like Okay, 563 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: this is a proper bad guy, and I hope that 564 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: they can use that to kind of hopefully, you know, 565 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: find some good men in the future. But that is 566 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: what I mean, like, this is the memory they have 567 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: that early on how dare he? I'm so angry on 568 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: their behalf, you know, and on shre Like it's just 569 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: just so many facets across the cases. Hear that, and 570 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: like and I'm so sorry that you had to experience 571 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: it too, kind of it's just so many of us 572 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: out there that have experienced this and and I'm grateful 573 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 2: that you got to be in court though, because that 574 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: is what I feel is missing. 575 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: And a lot The only reason we did that was 576 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: because of the abuse piece, So that was and that 577 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: was just extra layer on top was the was the 578 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: the credit card stuff. But we went there because he 579 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: tried to kill me, so that was for it was 580 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: like about you know, no, no, but within that, like 581 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: they and all the because we actually did we got married. 582 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: I knew him after two weeks of knowing him. Oh, 583 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: he was very a lot older than me. 584 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's interesting, as you say about like accomplices, 585 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: because that's what happens, you know, because you're so close 586 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: to the individual. They are thinking, you should have realized 587 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: or you should have known that something wasn't right. And 588 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: that is what's so interesting about me, the victim blaming 589 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: of that aspect, not only with fraud, but then you 590 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: were in a relationship like and I'm like, it's so 591 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 2: difficult to say in hindsight, but I didn't. And then 592 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: people say, well, you should have, but I was like, 593 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to tell you. 594 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like someone I loved, I didn't ask questions, Like 595 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I must be the friend I don't know, 596 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: like or I don't know. Yeah, well we'd trust Yeah. 597 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean they're just praying on trust, which is you know, 598 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: like what name. There's such a human emotion and it's 599 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: such a it's our kryptonite, right. It's like when we 600 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: trust someone, of course, and we love someone, we will 601 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: do anything to help people. Yeah, and they know that. 602 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: And when you're terrified of the person too, you don't 603 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: ask questions. 604 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that is like what I'm trying 605 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: to say. When you mix love and fear together, you 606 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: will make people do a lot of things that they 607 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: never thought they would. But that doesn't make them a criminal. 608 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: And that that it's what I was feeling a lot 609 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 2: of times. It's always the victims that are left to 610 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: pick up the pieces here while the criminals are you 611 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: know what kind of repercussions. We've had some though, which 612 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: has been really nice. In Love Conrivence, you know, like 613 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: when it aired, when it launched on the fifth of September, 614 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: Ricky god is sentencing, So Ricky, you know he's going 615 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: to be in jail, like we have Chris as well, 616 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: and Lin see where the FBI is on to him. 617 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: So it's just it's just really really nice. You know. 618 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: That's some of them, but some of them I just 619 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: have still questions. I just was talking to jail in 620 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: Todd Dean's case where the DA is just saying there's 621 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: nothing I can do for you, and I'm just like, 622 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: what can I do? You know? It's it's heartbreaking sometimes 623 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: because I know that people come and they want help, 624 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: and it's just you feel like you're knocking your head 625 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: amongst the wall. 626 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: Are you dating again? Are you with someone? It's like, 627 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: how is that? How do you after going through that 628 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: trust someone again? 629 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: I think because of how it happened to me, it 630 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: was good that it wasn't a proper normal relationship. I 631 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: think if I would have lived with them and he 632 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: was working as if you know what I mean, it 633 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: just went be a normal job and then just went 634 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: behind my back and took up credit cards in my name, 635 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: I think that would have been made me a lot 636 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: more jaded, like he was in here we were making 637 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: dinner together kind of because it was a bit more. 638 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: It was a Netflix show, you know, like with private 639 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: jets and diamonds and Peter Down and a lot of that. 640 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: I think because it was so far away from my 641 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: reality and how I was living in London and working 642 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: full time, I was able to really when I went 643 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: to therapy, really separate kind of that what was that? 644 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: And it's rather focused on the great relationships I've had 645 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: before because I was twenty nine when that happened, So 646 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: I've had relationships before and they were great. So I 647 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: was a target on behalf of that. I just had 648 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: nice relationships. I you know, I loved men and I 649 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: thought they were great, and I thought I was great 650 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 2: at picking. So my guard was kind of down that 651 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 2: I was like, well, this is I'm good at knowing people, 652 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: and now I think that's how I became a target. 653 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: But with me, which a lot of fraud victims have, 654 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: is that the fight starts after the fraud is over. 655 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: So for me, like I had four banks who took 656 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: me to trial, so I had to go through two 657 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: trials in normally, which was highly traumatizing because they, you know, 658 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: kind of called me a gold digger and naive and cunning, 659 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: and just like the characteristic is just to assassinate your 660 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: character and kind of the entire perpetrator. It's just we're 661 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: not even talking about him. And that was so insane 662 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: standing there. It's like I wouldn't even be here if 663 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: it wasn't for this individual. But fine, go after me 664 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: because I'm the easier target. And then I became a 665 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: suspect with UK police. At the same time, I had 666 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: to file for bankruptcy. It was just a lot and 667 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: dating with that going on. It's not fun having to 668 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: say to people, oh, I just filed for bankruptcy, Like 669 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 2: it's baggage. It's kind of like baggage in a sense 670 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 2: where I was like, I feel I didn't have the 671 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 2: confidence anymore, and still to this day I don't because 672 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 2: I just feel like you need to understand that people 673 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 2: can google me and have an opinion of me, you know, 674 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: like in a sense your friends, your family. You might 675 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 2: be strong enough person to say, well, some people might 676 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: have an opinion that your girlfriend is a gold digger, 677 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: and you might just be okay with that. Stand in 678 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 2: that and you know know that. And so no, I 679 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: haven't properly dated. I haven't had a long term relationship 680 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: since it's been seven years. So it's it's quite telling 681 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: when I look back on it that I think subconsciously 682 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 2: it has been a lot worse for me than I imagine. 683 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: But it's I'm very happy by myself too. I think 684 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 2: it's more like I just have to say as well, 685 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: I'm very happy being single. So I think that has 686 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. You I'm not sitting 687 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: here hoping and wishing for a man. I think I'm 688 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 2: making myself very happy with my friends and love from 689 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: friends and love from family. So I'm just scared that 690 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: the longer the time goes by, the more you forget 691 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: about how it is to be a toothsomeness. 692 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 1: But you're not like cynical to love. I don't hear that, 693 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: which is good. I think that's the piece where it's 694 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: that that piece is good not to not have that. 695 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: I think, no, like, I couldn't let him take that 696 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: away from you. So I feel like I'm still a 697 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: love a girl every single thing in for you. I do. 698 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 2: They always ask about that. I was like, I love 699 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: love right. 700 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: I do think the thought I always said that. I 701 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: was like, I love to love you, and you do, 702 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: and I do. I do think the right person is 703 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: going to come right in and you're it's going to 704 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: just be wonderful. Yeah, and you know enough now, Yeah, 705 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: I know now that if he asked you to pay 706 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: for dinner, that was a great first and last date 707 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: and we're done here done. 708 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm just going yeah, no, no, but I thank you, 709 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 2: thank you like I am. But I'm always an advocate 710 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: for that. A lot of women is the happiness isn't 711 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: in a relationship. I see just a lot of people 712 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 2: in relationships that just because they're scared of being alone. 713 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: So many people are saying like, oh, I can't be 714 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 2: by myself. I hate being by myself. And I was like, oh, 715 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 2: come on, girl, you just need to just be comfortable 716 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: with that and then you can find someone else, because 717 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: then you find someone for the right reasons that they 718 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: want to fulfill you. Yeah, to that. That's where I am. 719 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: How much of the show is kind of like pre 720 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: tape because I feel like I'm like, all right, this 721 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: is you guys have it pretty locked in, Like are 722 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: there some cases that you don't that kind of go 723 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: away or did you have just a pile of the 724 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: ones that had all the leads and the you know, 725 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: the full circle moment. 726 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: Of course, as you know, like we're there for a 727 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: certain amount. 728 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Of time, but like it's a show. 729 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So we had to have no kind of 730 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: in a sense that it was the fraud case that 731 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 2: we could find something else we were actually uncovering, Like 732 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: we didn't know, so we didn't know what was going 733 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: to come and what was going to happen. That's fun 734 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 2: and it is live and we have to remember like 735 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: so for example, a lot of this we didn't know 736 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 2: what was going to happen, what would be the ending, 737 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 2: which I love about the show, like would we get 738 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: a confidence? Will the police take the case? So all 739 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 2: of that is real and it's live. When we're heading 740 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 2: to the police station, we're doing confrontations. Of course, we 741 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: have some victims that we know that there are several victims, 742 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: but kind of that is so unfortunately it has to 743 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 2: be with fraud cases, which makes me a bit sad. 744 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: I have to say that this is the only crime 745 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: where it's like, well, it needs to happen to more 746 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: people for us to take it seriously. It's not enough 747 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 2: that you defrauded one person, you know. So I think 748 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: that's all I knew. And then kind of everything else 749 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: was just we were hoping that police would do something 750 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 2: and that was not set. We had no idea what 751 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 2: would actually happen. And that's what I love about this 752 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: show that it is real. It was live on the 753 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: spot when we were there, but of course it had 754 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 2: to fit into that it was still live. It can't 755 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: be it couldn't be just the retelling of the story. 756 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 2: It needed to be something for us to uncover and 757 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 2: help with, which I think is kind of cool because 758 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: that was my main thing, was like, people are bearing 759 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: their hearts and souls out for us. They're bearing their 760 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 2: most inner you know, and shameful sometimes I don't think 761 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 2: it should be shameful experiences. And then I was like, 762 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: but what can we give back? Can we give them 763 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: some answers? For example that I can tell them about 764 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: these different types of methods that they're not stupid about, 765 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 2: some cause fallacy all about like to make them realize. 766 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 2: Can we give them some realization of what is evidence? 767 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, for example, messages between you and the Frosters, 768 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 2: that is evidence, even though that's very private for you. 769 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 2: That can show manipulation and lies, you know. Can we 770 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: find documents, can brand find documents that are fake and 771 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 2: we can show you. Giving them some of those answers 772 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 2: was really important for me to be able to give 773 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 2: them something back then just taking their story and then 774 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 2: we look at it as true crime and a bit 775 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 2: of fun. I understand, but that's just how it is, 776 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 2: you know. But for them to feel at least that 777 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: they're being listened to and understood and heard, and I'm 778 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 2: so happy that they kind of that I was there 779 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 2: as a peer for them, that was really wonderful. 780 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for what you do. I'm hopeful that 781 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: there's a season two. I get excited for Brian to 782 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: be in your wedding or give a toast, like when 783 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: you do get married. I want Brian up there like 784 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: with a glass girl. 785 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 2: Go yes, Brianne is Oh god. We had a little 786 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 2: screening and I was like making like a little collage 787 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: for everyone that has been there, and I was like 788 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 2: me and Brie. You know, I'm just like I missed 789 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 2: her so much, like I want to see her again. 790 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, I really hope so too special. 791 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you again for what you do. You're helping 792 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: so many people. You you know, instead of choosing to 793 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: go in, you went outward to help other people and 794 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: that just shows you know, the true beautiful person that 795 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: you are. So yeah, thanks for coming on. This is 796 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: a pleasure speaking with you. 797 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me