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Speaker 1: Ben Welcome in Lake. Kick is Live. It is Sunday Night,

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Speaker 1: February twentieth, Year of a Lord, twenty twenty two, jam

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Speaker 1: packed high, a top down, tow vibrant Nashville, Tennessee. Tonight

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Speaker 1: sixty three degrees today, I think lovely and that is

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Speaker 1: an advance of inevitable flooding that will come this week.

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Speaker 1: But we have got a loaded show tonight. Got to

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Speaker 1: pour one out, do we for the expansionist crowd out there.

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Speaker 1: Tough week for them, but I'm not here to gloat tonight,

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Speaker 1: although we could. What I do want to do so

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Speaker 1: I was thinking long and hard about this over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: is I want to remind you there's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more common ground between the expansionists and the four and

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Speaker 1: no more crowd than you may think. I think you

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Speaker 1: may be surprised, and we're going to get into it

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes. Lsu Mood Tracker Tonight, Miami.

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Speaker 1: They're doing some things, Mario Christo, Paul's doing some things.

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Speaker 1: I can't help but feel partially responsible because most of

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Speaker 1: this staff started to get put together after he came

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Speaker 1: on a late kick. We can do that for you

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Speaker 1: for that matter, any other coaches out there that need

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Speaker 1: a little boost, we got some openings. We will fit

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Speaker 1: you in. Nick Saban could be a mob boss you

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Speaker 1: anytime he's got a live mic in his hand. The

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Speaker 1: things that come out of his mouth no longer just

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Speaker 1: sound like that of a football coach. It really could

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Speaker 1: be a scene from the Sopranos. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of you have already seen a clip that floated around

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Speaker 1: out of Nick Saban's mouth last week. If you haven't,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play it tonight, and I'm gonna give you

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Speaker 1: a few thoughts on it because a lot of you

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Speaker 1: were asking about it. So we'll get into that reminder,

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Speaker 1: big reminder here, and then a question for you. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you're following on the Twitter and Instagram channel so

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Speaker 1: the socials are all the same. It's at late kick, Josh.

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Speaker 1: A few of you will remember what would it have been? Colin?

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Speaker 1: About a year a little over a year ago, we

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Speaker 1: debuted this concept called the Show Owners Association Meeting, and

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Speaker 1: the entire concept was since we were all quarantined and

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Speaker 1: we were doing zoom for every facet of our lives. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just sat in a studio and we brought dozens

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Speaker 1: this roundtable, and you know, we just kind of called

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Speaker 1: it a show Owners Association meeting. It was invite only.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't open to the public, but if you were

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Speaker 1: part of our family, then on an invite only basis,

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Speaker 1: we had a little lottery and we selected some of you. Well,

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Speaker 1: since then, they have invented this new concept called Twitter spaces.

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Speaker 1: They're fascinating. I think you'll be I think you'll be

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Speaker 1: completely engulfed in those come football season when you really

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Speaker 1: see how those operate. But before that, I want to know,

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Speaker 1: do you want to kind of morph what used to

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Speaker 1: be the Show Owners Association in concept over to Twitter

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Speaker 1: spaces because that's kind of open to everyone and you

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Speaker 1: can raise your hand and get called on. So we

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Speaker 1: can do all that. But here's what I need to know.

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Speaker 1: Number one, are enough of you into it? I think

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Speaker 1: the answer is going to be yes. But I also

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Speaker 1: you didn't, so who knows. But then if you are

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Speaker 1: into it, I need to know a reasonably agreed upon

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Speaker 1: time of the week when we can execute this. Some

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Speaker 1: of you work during the day, some of you, like me,

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Speaker 1: don't have real jobs, so you can just do whatever

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Speaker 1: we got to figure that out. So hit me up DMS,

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Speaker 1: or you can just do it publicly and let me

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Speaker 1: know and I'll let you know some of the ideas

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Speaker 1: and then when we narrow it down, I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: just put up a poll and we can vote on it.

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Speaker 1: With that out of the way, let's dive into more

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Speaker 1: pressing matters at hand tonight. This week, the big story

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Speaker 1: in college football was obviously the college football Playoff will

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Speaker 1: not expand until at least twenty twenty six. And to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, listening to the decision makers in

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Speaker 1: the room, I don't have a ton of confidence right

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Speaker 1: now about any expansion format. Now, I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: We've gone over that, but I want to address that

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Speaker 1: disagreement in just a couple of minutes, not in a

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Speaker 1: debate format, not really here to change your mind. If

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to do that. But here's what's kind

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Speaker 1: it's just eyes to be dotted and teased to be crossed.

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Speaker 1: But this thing's it, it's things inevitable, right Well it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But I was so convinced that expansion was imminent I

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Speaker 1: So we got into the season and we talked about

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Speaker 1: want to get worked up too much. But I'm asking,

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Speaker 1: is there really anything we can do? It's out of

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Speaker 1: And you know, it turns out the best weapon that

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Speaker 1: was a pair of sunglasses and a lawn chair. All

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Speaker 1: They were gonna screw it up just fine on their own,

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Speaker 1: and they did. Now you think they screwed it up.

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Speaker 1: are a lot of folks who think expansion is integral

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Speaker 1: It's okay to debate these sorts of things, Okay, it's okay,

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Speaker 1: But I want to ask you to join me in

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Speaker 1: I'm not really here to do that tonight. What I

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Speaker 1: or contraction or staying the same, Can we just agree

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Speaker 1: on one thing here? Can we agree that neither of

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Speaker 1: us is really interested in the sweater vest bureaucrack crowd

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Speaker 1: telling us what's best for the overall health of college football?

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Speaker 1: Can we please agree that if the suit you're wearing

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Speaker 1: The sample department was a big part of my life.

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Speaker 1: That fabric warehouse, Local News was a huge chunk of

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Speaker 1: my life. If you're wearing a suit that's worth more

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Speaker 1: than we're making it a calendar week. Can we please

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Speaker 1: just agree that that crowd probably doesn't feel the same

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Speaker 1: that because we're loyal to Saturday. They are loyal to

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Speaker 1: a number, and that's it. And so what I'd really

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Speaker 1: for us to be like, what was it two thousand

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Speaker 1: and Triplation. They're going at it, but every time a

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Speaker 1: want us to do. It's fine, we can go at it,

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Speaker 1: to an agreement talking about what is and isn't necessary

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Speaker 1: go sit by the garbage. We've got this. Shut the door.

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Speaker 1: And then we can get back to what we really

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Speaker 1: They don't even start from the same premise we do.

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Speaker 1: in the fall. That's not what they care about. They

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Speaker 1: then it ever appeared on the surface. We all value Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: If I were to pull the expansionist crowd and ask them,

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Speaker 1: do you love the regular season in college football? Ninety

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Speaker 1: We're not loyal to anything other than really our interest

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Speaker 1: in Saturday, and we also love the concept of a

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Speaker 1: for more like elementary level. You and I disagree on

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Speaker 1: how important the playoffs should be, period. And so I

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Speaker 1: Greg Tepper, who I thought summed it up beautifully and

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Speaker 1: Academy trust me enough to not make me stick to

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Speaker 1: the ad copy. I can go any direction I want.

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Speaker 1: And so we were talking about how to best encapsulate

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Speaker 1: what Academy means to the show, and Jesse said, paraphrasing,

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Speaker 1: of course, you would never know. If I wasn't he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even call me on it. He said something along

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Speaker 1: the lines of, you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: I had never heard of or shopped at Academy until

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Speaker 1: I came down here. And it's true that Academy is

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Speaker 1: somewhat of a regional brand. Now, I grew up in

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Speaker 1: the South. I've always been around Academy sports and outdoors.

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Speaker 1: But I take it for granted that some of you

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Speaker 1: kind of like the Chattahoochee River. Some of you just

444
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Speaker 1: think it's part of a country music song. You don't

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Speaker 1: know that it's actually a place down here. We grew

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Speaker 1: up on well with Academy. Academy is like the retail

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Speaker 1: version of the Chattahoochie. Some of you have heard of

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Speaker 1: it in name only, but you've never darkened the doors

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Speaker 1: of one. And Jesse was one of those folks. Now

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Speaker 1: Jesse is Jesse has come over to the right side

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Speaker 1: of the fence now. But I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: you have never had the opportunity to visit one. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why I always emphasize Academy dot Com because the

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Speaker 1: good news is you can still get everything at Academy

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Speaker 1: dot Com that you can in a physical Academy Sports

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Speaker 1: and Outdoors. I'm in Nashville, or if you're Atlanta or Columbus,

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Speaker 1: the places I've spent a lot of time, we got them.

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Speaker 1: But if you're in Barstowe, California, if you're in Olympia, Washington,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you don't have one. Pocatello, Idaho

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Speaker 1: or Pocatella, the feminine version of Idaho. If you are

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Speaker 1: in those locations, maybe you don't have one. But you

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Speaker 1: do have Academy dot Com. And as I have told

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Speaker 1: you for the last several weeks, we're we're kind of

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Speaker 1: having that turnover period now in the seasons, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of you are out there starting a lot of

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Speaker 1: different outdoor activities. Do it and go to Academy Sports

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Speaker 1: and Outdoors or Academy dot Com. They'll fully equip you.

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Speaker 1: There is an ongoing debate in the office right now

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Speaker 1: about whether or not some of us. I won't put

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Speaker 1: a number out there. Some of us should enter a

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Speaker 1: spring softball league in Nashville. Coincidentally, I'm looking for information

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Speaker 1: on rec men's league softball in Nashville. Church are open.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. Hit me up. You know how

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Speaker 1: to get in touch with me. If you don't, there's

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Speaker 1: the information on the bottom of the screen. Academy Sports

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Speaker 1: and outdoors. Though I can tell you it's where we

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Speaker 1: will go. Whether we play or not, we will go,

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Speaker 1: and I encourage you to do the same. Moving right

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Speaker 1: along here, I made a little executive decision and I yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I told the crew all right, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go out of order. The mood Tracker has become

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Speaker 1: our most popular segment. The mood Tracker we do to

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Speaker 1: take the temperature of fan bases, and I really think

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the gambling crowd values this, but

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Speaker 1: also the hardcore college football crowd values this even if

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your team, because it really helps

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Speaker 1: to have a firm grasp on the overall sport. And

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Speaker 1: I have found that a lot of times fan base

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Speaker 1: is even though they may not be right about predicting

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Speaker 1: specific wins and losses. They usually always have a much

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Speaker 1: more advanced feel on their program and they are in

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Speaker 1: tune with the stuff that the rest of the country

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Speaker 1: is going to find out six months to a year

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Speaker 1: down the road. So with that in mind, the LSU

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Speaker 1: Mood Tracker falls upon us tonight. Culture. As I was

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier, culture is great. I mean, culture is

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Speaker 1: great in sports, but college football built on it. And

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Speaker 1: if you've never been able to take road trips, if

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Speaker 1: you've never gone to strange campuses and strange stadiums and

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Speaker 1: experience new people and fan bases for the first time,

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Speaker 1: you kind of only get it in theory. If you've

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Speaker 1: been blessed or fortunate enough to go on the road

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Speaker 1: and visit different venues and places, you get that what

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Speaker 1: may be commonplace in Blacksburg, Virginia may be totally weird

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Speaker 1: in Corvallis, organ and vice versa. And I can confidently

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Speaker 1: tell you haven't spent a lot of time in Baton

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Speaker 1: Rouge to put a finer point on it. What is

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Speaker 1: accepted and commonplace in Baton Rouge may terrify the rest

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Speaker 1: of the country, but that's beautiful because that's culture. There

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Speaker 1: are some things that are routinely seen on a Saturday

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Speaker 1: night in Death Valley that would probably land you in

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Speaker 1: aiary A penitentiary and other parts of the country. But

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Speaker 1: that's okay, cause that's culture. But as we tie that

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Speaker 1: in conceptually with the mood tracker, there are some things

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Speaker 1: that may make a fan base on this pinpoint on

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Speaker 1: the map happy, whereas at that pinpoint they may reject

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Speaker 1: at wholesale. Well, Brian Kelly is the new head coach

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Speaker 1: at LSU, So what do you think about that? The

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Speaker 1: LSU mood Tracker. I went over to go twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven earlier today and I asked the message board there,

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Speaker 1: give me your thoughts LSU football. My current mood towards

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Speaker 1: LSU football is what I got reboot and rebuild. I

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Speaker 1: got fresh, I got underestimated, I got overlooked, optimistic, positive.

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Speaker 1: So there is a general positive tilt towards LSU football

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Speaker 1: right now. And I took all that and I put

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Speaker 1: it in the blender, and I'll tell you what I

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Speaker 1: poured out. The current LSU football mood to me is

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Speaker 1: closing the gates. Think about LSU for a second when

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Speaker 1: they've been good. What is your most vivid memory of

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Speaker 1: the best LSU teams. Take that, and then I want

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Speaker 1: you to think about how it doesn't blend in at

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Speaker 1: all when LSU football is operating at Max's capacity. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't blend in quite the opposite. It stands out and

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Speaker 1: it's got a very unique feel to it. That's culture.

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Speaker 1: It's got a very unique look to it. It's like

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Speaker 1: if you sliced the state of Luisiana open, everything that

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Speaker 1: poured out is what you'd see Saturday night on the

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Speaker 1: field in Death Valley. That's LSU football at its best,

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Speaker 1: and it has a lot to do with Louisiana. But

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Speaker 1: that's also why when Brian Kelly came in the door

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Speaker 1: and started doing some things that made a lot of

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Speaker 1: the rest of the country laugh or make fun of him.

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Speaker 1: I never talked about it a lot on the show.

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Speaker 1: If you notice that a lot of you did because

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Speaker 1: you asked about it. There were two reasons. First reason,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to matter on Saturdays in the fall.

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Speaker 1: This is not a guy without a resume. Brian Kelly's

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Speaker 1: already won, so his way works. I have no doubt

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Speaker 1: about that. But the second part, and the main reason

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Speaker 1: why I didn't talk about it, it's because I knew.

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Speaker 1: LSU folks don't care, nor should they care. By the

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Speaker 1: very nature of what makes LSU football what it is

553
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: when it's at its best, you should never care what

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Speaker 1: anyone outside of the gates are saying about you. And

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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: so LSU football thinks, and I agree with him. They

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Speaker 1: got the right guy to lead the program. The only

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Speaker 1: thing they need to do once they got him in

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Speaker 1: house is closed the gates behind him. Because the way

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Speaker 1: LSU is going to go about doing things, it may

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Speaker 1: not suit you. If you're in Fargo, North Dakota, it

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Speaker 1: may look a little weird. If you're in Springfield, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, because the fact of the matter is, as

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Speaker 1: history has shown, there's a blueprint that works in Louisiana

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Speaker 1: that may not work at those other places. But when

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Speaker 1: it works, it works really well. And I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to a couple of these submissions on the

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Speaker 1: Go twenty four to seven board that overlooked, optimistic, underappreciated

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Speaker 1: those kinds of moods you normally hear from programs that

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Speaker 1: are perennial underdogs, and you normally hear that from fan

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Speaker 1: bases that are used to not being able to get

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Speaker 1: premier talent so they're always adopting a US against the

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Speaker 1: world mentality, and they are overlooked and they are doubted.

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Speaker 1: And I think of Mark Dantonio under at Michigan State,

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Speaker 1: like they perfectly encapsulated that. Well, here's the benefit. LSU

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Speaker 1: does fit this description right now. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people out there who doubt LSU under Brian Kelly.

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Speaker 1: I want to make it crystal clear. I'm not one

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Speaker 1: of them, but a lot of people do. I will

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Speaker 1: have this phone light up with friends of mine who

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Speaker 1: disagree with what I'm saying right now, and I'll get

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Speaker 1: off the air and they'll give me all sorts of well,

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Speaker 1: that's not going to work down here, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Same ones who said the same thing about urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: at Florida once upon a time hadn't heard back from

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Speaker 1: him about that. And I'll ignore it because I'm looking

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00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: around and I'm thinking to myself, hold on a second.

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Speaker 1: So we got a guy who has long established a

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Speaker 1: winning pedigree, and we're going to put him in one

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Speaker 1: of the most talent rich areas imaginable, and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to have to take a back seat to anyone.

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Speaker 1: And so they're going to acquire elite talent, and that

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Speaker 1: talent's going to be given to a guy whose approach

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Speaker 1: has already been proven to work, and people are overlooking them,

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Speaker 1: people are going to doubt them. Now. I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about just twenty twenty two. I'm talking about in general.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of you are watching the show right now,

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00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: and you flat out do not think Brian Kelly's going

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Speaker 1: to pan out at LSU. That's your opinion. I disagree

599
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: with it, but I'm telling you when I disagree with it,

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Speaker 1: I got a whole lot of I got a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of data on Wikipedia page, and I got a

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00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: whole lot these eyeballs have seen from a logic based

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Speaker 1: standpoint that back up that feeling that Brian Kelly is

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Speaker 1: going to work out at LSU. And as best I

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00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: can tell, the retort to that is, well, I didn't

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Speaker 1: like those videos early on. I didn't like the dancing,

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00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: and that accent sounded where it's foolishness. That's just January

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00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: February nonsense. It doesn't matter. You won't even be thinking

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Speaker 1: about that by the time spring practice arrives, much less

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Speaker 1: when it's week four and it's like third and eight

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Speaker 1: in the third quarter against their first SEC opponent. Nobody

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Speaker 1: cares about that stuff. It doesn't matter, you know as

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00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: well as I do. If you follow the sport for

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Speaker 1: a long time, there's talking season, and then there's time

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Speaker 1: to strap it up. And when it's time to strap

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00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: it up, no one ever remembers what was said during

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Speaker 1: talking season, even at SEC Media Days. The reason why

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00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: I look for every excuse to skip the event every year,

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Speaker 1: it's cause it doesn't matter. It's a time filler. It's

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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: great to see old friends. But think about how many

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Speaker 1: shows start with biggest takeaways from SEC Media Day? What

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00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: stood out the most at SEC Media Day, and everything

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Speaker 1: that's talked about on those shows is forgotten that it

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00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: apperates because it doesn't matter. It's words. What matters are results, Liss,

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Speaker 1: She's gonna get results the ones they like under Brian Kelly.

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00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: The mood down there though, closed the gates, and don't

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Speaker 1: worry for a second about what anyone else is saying

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Speaker 1: about you, especially if you are native to Louisiana. You

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Speaker 1: deal with this all the time. I mean, we're in

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Speaker 1: the world's eli apple right now. How about the comments

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Speaker 1: he had about New Orleans recently. He's an outsider. This

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Speaker 1: what Eli Apple thought about New Orleans matters about as

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Speaker 1: much as what any sports writer or anyone sitting behind

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Speaker 1: the microphone thinks about LSU and Brian Kelly, what you

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Speaker 1: think matters, because it's your program. What they do down

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00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: there matters, it's their program. Don't worried about what anyone's

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Speaker 1: is saying. And I'm not even from Louisiana, and I've

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Speaker 1: been down there enough to know that. So the current

639
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: mood around LSU football, close the gates and then throw

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Speaker 1: away the key. Don't even worry about it. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: putting together a staff, I'm gonna pause for a second,

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Speaker 1: mainly so we can cut the video. Mario Christbau's gotten

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Speaker 1: pretty serious pretty quickly about this staff done at Miami.

644
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Speaker 1: Now I want to pause for a second. I want

645
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Speaker 1: to bring something up. So I had a buddy of

646
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: mine who is a big Miami fan, and he brought

647
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Speaker 1: something to my attention the other day. He said, you

648
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: need to go check this out. So he sent me

649
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Speaker 1: a link to our friends over at Caine's Insight. It's

650
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: a big Miami website, and they got a popular message

651
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: board over there, and there was a seven page deep

652
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: thread about the interview that we did with Mario Christavaal

653
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago on a Sunday night, we

654
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: had him on the show. He spent a good twenty

655
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: minutes with us, very enlightening ton of meat on the

656
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: bone in that interview. If you haven't seen it, go

657
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: search it. It's on the channel right now. Our friends

658
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: at Caine's Insight we're talking about that, and then it

659
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: got into this fascinating debate about how old I am,

660
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: and they linked the wrong Wikipedia page because that dude

661
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: who created outer Banks is still getting confused with me.

662
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: We got to fix it, and we're going to fix it.

663
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, there are folks out there who

664
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Speaker 1: have no clue how old I am. Well, I'm going

665
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: to tell you tonight how old I am. I'm going

666
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: to say a friendly hello to our friends at Cane's Inside.

667
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I know this will get over there, but I'm going

668
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: to tell you how old I am. I'm old enough

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Speaker 1: to remember when Mario Christoball couldn't put together a staff

670
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Speaker 1: at Miami. That's how old I am. That feels like

671
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: a long time ago, now, doesn't it. In reality, it's

672
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: only a few weeks ago. But boy thinks sure have

673
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: changed down in Coral Gables. I interrupt that foolishness to

674
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: break this news for you, Mario crist Ball may have

675
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: the best staff in the ACC right now. Hold on,

676
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: hold on. I know a lot of you are pushing back.

677
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I know they hadn't coached a game yet. I get

678
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: all that, and so for the sake of avoiding a

679
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: very unnecessary debate, let's just safely call this one of

680
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: the best staffs in the SEC or ACC. I put

681
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Speaker 1: a poll out the a little while ago. It's not

682
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: a poll, it was actually a statement, and I asked you, guys.

683
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: It's on Twitter right now. I only did this like

684
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Speaker 1: an hour ago. I simply asked you who has the

685
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: best staff in the ACC. Some of you, who wanted

686
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: to overthink the room started talking basketball and promptly got blocked.

687
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I'll unblock you tomorrow, but there's no room for basketball

688
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: when this sport has no offseason. Juwan Howard though Peate

689
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: State material yish anyway, back to the sport at hand.

690
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I asked you, guys, who has the best coaching staff

691
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: in the ACC right now? Vast majority of you said Miami. Now, look,

692
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for wake Forest and

693
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: the staff they have. I think very highly of North

694
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Carolina staff. Dabo it Clemson is always going to have

695
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: a good staff. There's a lot of unknown about that

696
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: staff right now, but look, there is no staff out there.

697
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Speaker 1: I think this is safe to say that is definitively

698
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: better than the collection that Mario Christobal has put together.

699
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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening, and then I'm going to tell

700
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Speaker 1: you why it is very very important, not just for

701
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: Miami fans, but for all of America, for all of

702
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the college football public. You know, this has been a

703
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: focal point on this show for a while. And there's

704
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: that beautiful Miami b roll. Really I cover Miami just

705
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: so we can look at the b roll of the

706
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: fans and the city. So look, I first want to

707
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: show you who he's hired. Here is the current Miami

708
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: coaching staff, and I think we've got it on graphic,

709
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: and so I want you to look at this list

710
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: of names. Now you've got Josh Gaddis as the offensive coordinator,

711
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Steele now is the defensive coordinator. He's got Kevin

712
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: Smith there running backs. They just brought in Die Jamela

713
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: Dye to coach DB's from Georgia. Frank Ponce is the

714
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: passing game coordinator. Charlie Strong recently hired as linebackers coach.

715
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Feld came all the way from Oregon. He used

716
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: to be on the Georgia staff. He's strength and conditioning.

717
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: So look, a lot of these names you recognize, maybe

718
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: some you don't. Here's what Mario Christball's done with this staff.

719
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Speaker 1: First thing he did is he went and got a

720
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of guys who have coached under Nick Saban.

721
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Now that's important for two reasons as it pertains to

722
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Speaker 1: this Miami staff. Number one, it's because obviously you want

723
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Speaker 1: folks who have seen that process play out first hand

724
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Speaker 1: up close. But here's the second thing. They appreciate the

725
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: grind and they're not scared away by it. Mario Christball's

726
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: probably had some guys on his staff in his first

727
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: few years as a head coach at FAU and then

728
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: at Oregon that were turned off a little bit by

729
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: what that grind entails. You don't have to worry about that,

730
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: because if you've ever worked for Nick Saban, then that's

731
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: that's irrelevant. Guys just assume that's part of the job.

732
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Speaker 1: So guys embracing that grind. He's not gonna have to

733
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Speaker 1: worry about that with this crew. And most of these

734
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: guys have been around the block. But there's also a

735
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: healthy collection of youth and experience in this crew. But

736
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Speaker 1: first and foremost, these are recruiters. These are guys that

737
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Speaker 1: know how to go get the groceries. Meme while used

738
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: to say all the time, you cannot cook a five

739
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: star meal with an empty fridge, Mario Christabaul knows that.

740
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Speaker 1: And so now this is setting up to where it

741
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: would very much surprise me if Miami didn't have the

742
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: best talent roster in the conference by twenty twenty four.

743
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: What they do with that is its own discussion. But

744
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: Miami is about to recruit at a top five level

745
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: every cycle of that, I'm virtually certain. But then I

746
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: want to add this, when's the last time you watched any

747
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: staff get put together in the ACC and it made

748
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: you go, WHOA? It normally happens in the SEC. Lincoln

749
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: Riley may do it. You know, when Steve Sarkisan gets

750
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: to Texas some of those big programs, they may do

751
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: it that hadn't been happening in the ACC. It's happening

752
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: right now though in South Florida. And I also want

753
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: you to remember the status quo has changed. See Mario

754
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Christbaul just spent about half a decade out on the

755
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: West coast in the Pacific Northwest, no less, proving to

756
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: you that he is elite at convincing guys to leave home.

757
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Now he's put together a staff of all world recruiters

758
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: and their task is simply to convince kids to stay home.

759
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: Judging by my own history, it's a lot easier to

760
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: convince folks to stay home than it is to leave home.

761
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: But I mentioned the college football public, and I mentioned

762
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: America and how this is important for everyone. And you

763
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: may be sitting in Lincoln tonight thinking what in the

764
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: world does this have to do in Nebraska football, or

765
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Tennessee or anywhere else. What does this have to do

766
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: with us? Good for them, or maybe you doubt them,

767
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: But it's a realm. That's Miami. This is my program.

768
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: We led the show tonight talking about the playoff, right,

769
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: and everyone has told you and giving you their theories

770
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: on what it's going to take to have parity and

771
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: competitive balance in college football. And ninety five percent of

772
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: it is it's fools gold at best, and it's totally

773
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: ignorant at worst. But this, this actually has substance to it.

774
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: If you ever changed the recruiting dynamic in South Florida,

775
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: and you can ever not shut it off, but just

776
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: limit the ability of Georgia and Ohio State and Clemson

777
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: in Alabama to come into South Florida and out recruit

778
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: in state programs for the top talent in South Florida.

779
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: Think about the reset button in many ways that that

780
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: hits on college football, because if you watch Georgia versus Bama,

781
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: or you watch Bama versus Clemson or Bama versus Ohio State.

782
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: There was a national championship Alabama won. I think it

783
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: was against Ohio State. The entire secondary was from South Florida.

784
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: Sow insane. Is that that's gotta stop. That's what you

785
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: gotta stop. If you want competitive balance, Let Nick Saban

786
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: take a few less five stars per cycle from South Florida.

787
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he gets him from somewhere else. Maybe he's already

788
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: got enough embarrassment of riches where it doesn't impact him.

789
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: It's not gonna help him anymore. It's certainly not gonna

790
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: help Clemson or help Georgia that they've got one or

791
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: two less elite kids percycle that they can take. This

792
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: is not just a solo job. Miami needs some help

793
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: in achieving this for the overall balance of college football.

794
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: Billy Napier like, I've got a lot of hope in

795
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: what they're doing with their staff. I'm still very much

796
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: in the remains to be seen camp with Florida State,

797
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: but Miami is chief among this group because Miami is

798
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: the program in South Florida. Miami is the program that,

799
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Speaker 1: when they've been at their best, have established the blueprint

800
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: of owning South Florida. They've done it before. There's no

801
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: reason they can't do it again. It's just that they

802
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: had to step up to the plate. Miami finally stepped

803
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: up to the plate. Baseball season just started. They stepped

804
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: up to the plate. Man. No one ever gets a

805
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: hit if they're not in the batter's box. Miami finally

806
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: stepped into the batter's box. And now look, Folk's gonna

807
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: bring heat. That's not gonna change. Like Clemson's not gonna

808
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: stop trying. Just as Nick Saban and Ryan Day and

809
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart, they're not gonna stop coming into South Florida.

810
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: It's just that they're finally gonna get some pushback. They're

811
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: finally gonna know, I guarantee you for a while, unless

812
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: they really did their homework, I guarantee you, Kirby and

813
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Day and Dablos Whenny Nick Saban, they probably didn't

814
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: even have the ability to name Miami's entire staff, because

815
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: that's how irrelevant Miami had become recruiting against the big

816
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: boys when they came into South Florida. That day's over.

817
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: This is a totally new day. So they're still gonna

818
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: win their fair share down there. Miami's gonna win their

819
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: fair share too, But at the very least, you take

820
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: notice now. And if you are an agnostic fan, if

821
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: you're an Arizona fan, or you're a Colorado fan, and

822
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: you're just tired of seeing the same programs dominate, don't

823
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: let folks tell you and expanded playoffs gonna change that

824
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: be cause it's not. I hate to be the very

825
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,959
Speaker 1: bad news. It's not. But I'll tell you what could

826
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Speaker 1: fundamentally change it. If recruiting and Florida changed, that could

827
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 1: fundamentally change it. And then I'll do you one better.

828
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: What if Mario Cristaball and his staff take a huge

829
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: chunk of the in state talent in South Florida, and

830
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley starts owning Southern California, and Jimbo and Steve

831
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Sarkejian lockdown Texas more so than it has been in

832
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: the past. What would that do? Because there's reason, if

833
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: you think about every program I just listed, there is

834
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: reason at least to believe the recruiting dynamics in Southern California, Texas,

835
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Speaker 1: and South Florida are all well on the path to

836
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: changing to some degree over the next few years. If

837
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: you see a change in the overall power structure, and

838
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: if you see a change in the competitive balance, and

839
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: you want to know, how are these upsets happening or

840
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: how is there no two or three groups of teams

841
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: that have separated themselves in the pact. Check out the

842
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: rosters and see how many less Flas you see next

843
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: to those starting defensive backs, wide receivers and everybody, I mean,

844
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood was from down there. They got every position

845
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: at IMG Academy alone, much less South Florida. So keep

846
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: an eye on this. This is important. Unlike some of

847
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: the stuff they tell you is important. That's actually important

848
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: speaking of one of those coaches we were just talking about.

849
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Speaker 1: We had a question the other day, Colin. I'll give

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00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: you a good endpoint here in just a second, but

851
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: this is going to be a really good clip. All right,

852
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: here we go, Colin. So we had a question about

853
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: a clip that was surfacing from Nick Saban. Nick Saban

854
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: was doing a speaking engagement last week and he was

855
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: with the high school coaches across the state of Alabama.

856
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: And this has been a function for several years now

857
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: where Nick Saban's a featured speaker and you usually get

858
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: some really really good sound because even though it's being recorded,

859
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: Saban's talking amongst his peer group coaches to put a

860
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: finer point on it, and he's always really open. So

861
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: we had a question, and this was from Tea Bob

862
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: Bob Bob Three Bobs, and he said, could you speak

863
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: on one of your shows about what you think the

864
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: purpose of Nick Saban calling out three players for being

865
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: the reason for the national championship loss was to motivate everyone?

866
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: Or was it some other purpose? That is not like

867
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: him to do this, So why have me summarize it?

868
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: I actually just have the video, so we'll roll the

869
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: video and then I'll talk about it on the other side.

870
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: Let's take a look, all right, we lost the National

871
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: Championship game, alright because basically, you know, we had three

872
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: corners out, both starters in the best backup, all right,

873
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: so we're playing with some guys that didn't have a

874
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: lot of experience, and it eventually got us in the

875
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. And we had the kind of team where

876
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: we had a really good quarterback and we wanted to

877
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: have skill guys that they couldn't guard. So we had

878
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: two that were really really good, Metchi and Jmo, and

879
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: they both got hurt. So now we were playing with

880
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: guys that typically didn't have to play at those positions.

881
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: So the lesson to be learned. Whereas there were three

882
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: guys and I'm not calling out any names that basically

883
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: didn't do the things they needed to do throughout the season,

884
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: right because they were frustrated with their circumstance. And this

885
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: is a story that you should take back to your team,

886
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: so players understand this. So they're frustrated with their circumstance

887
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: because they're not playing as much as they want to.

888
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: Their outcome orient and they want to worry about how

889
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: many balls they catch, or how much playing time they get,

890
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. So they don't focus every day

891
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: on being a complete player at their position, and they

892
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: don't work in practice and prepare for the games because

893
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: they say to themselves, why should I do this, I'm

894
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: not going to play anyway. So we had three guys.

895
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: They all had a significant role in the National Championship game,

896
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: and not one of them, not one could take advantage

897
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: of the opportunity that they had because they never ground

898
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 2: through it. They never made themselves the best player they

899
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: can be, and when they got the opportunity, they couldn't

900
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: do it. It's a lesson for everybody. What comes first

901
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: playing time or making sure that you're ready to play

902
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: and create value for yourself when you get the opportunity.

903
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: To see it from the sopranos, it's beautiful. Look. So

904
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: people had varying reactions to this. Of course, I'll give

905
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: you mine in a second, but I do want to

906
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: address an alarming amount of reactions on the other side

907
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: that I saw in my DMS and I saw when

908
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: I posted it on Twitter. People a lot of people

909
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: called it whining, and then some other people thought that

910
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: it was inappropriate to call kids out like that. Mind you,

911
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: no one was mentioned by name, although pretty well guess

912
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: we was talking about. I want to ask you something,

913
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: just as I asked producer Jesse when I was workshopping

914
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: this segment. I asked him, what can you do with

915
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: a loss after it's already happened, because you can't go

916
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: back and change it. And sure, you could just leave

917
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: it back there. You could burn the tape and never

918
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: watch it. Or you could do the reasonable thing and

919
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: use it and get every of meat off that bone

920
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: you can as a tool with which to grow from.

921
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: And so Nick Saban is the best in the world,

922
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the best that I've ever seen in this game at

923
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: using a loss to build upon for a future season

924
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: and just development overall of players. So I want you

925
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: to think about putting yourself in a coach's shoes for

926
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: a second, because this was a problem for them this year.

927
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of folks watch Alabama and they

928
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: win all the time, so you think, oh, they're void

929
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: of the drama that exists in other college football programs

930
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: in locker rooms an other than nine they've won titles.

931
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: They've won titles before and had guys fighting on the sideline. Look,

932
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: they've got the same issues everyone else does. In fact,

933
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: they've got different consequences for their success because they got

934
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: the kind of talent and therefore egos in their locker

935
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: room very few of the programs have. He's just better

936
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: at dealing with it than everyone else. He's mastered that process.

937
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: That's why he talks about that process word so much.

938
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: But I want you to imagine that you're a coach, okay,

939
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: and I want you to put yourself on the practice

940
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: field one day and you've got all world talent coming in.

941
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: Here's what those guys think. Even if they don't think

942
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: they're owed a starting position, once they show they can

943
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: do something, they absolutely think that they're owed a starting position.

944
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: Here's what happens in an Alabama practice. What happens in

945
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: an Alabama practice oftentimes is you'll get five star talent

946
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: that comes in and even though they may be freshmen

947
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: and they may not be starting, it may be that

948
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: they have more natural God given ability than the guy

949
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: that's ahead of him on the depth chart. And what

950
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: they'll do with that God given ability is they'll flash

951
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: and practice and they'll make a one handed catch here,

952
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: or they'll make an insane read on a ball there

953
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: and they've shown they can do it right, and in

954
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: their mind because it hasn't been developed any further since,

955
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I've shown I can do it right, and I've shown

956
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I have more talent than the guy in front of me.

957
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I belong in a starting position. And when they don't

958
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: get it, they adopt what Nick Saban would call the

959
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: poor mes. Here's the difference. Now you're a coach, and

960
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: if you're a coach, what do you trust, like, what

961
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: do you deem necessary to put a guy on the field.

962
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: Are you going to put a guy on the field

963
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: once he shows you he can do it right, or

964
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: are you gonna wait until he shows you he's so

965
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: good he seldom does it wrong, because that's what a

966
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: coach is looking for. And that's where the disconnect is

967
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: sometimes between the talented players and the coaches. Player shows

968
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I can do it right, I belong on the field.

969
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: Coach looks at him and says, yeah, but you drop

970
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: three more balls and you came up to yards short

971
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: of the sticks on fourth down. Work we just had

972
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: a second to go. You showed me also, you can

973
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: do it wrong a whole lot. It's not a highlight reel.

974
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: Highlight culture is what the typical person thinks in terms

975
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: of coaches when they watch film. They don't watch highlight reels.

976
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: They watch every play. And that's why sometimes the guy

977
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: that you think is ready to start, and who himself

978
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: thinks he's ready to start, may not be ready to start. Well,

979
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: they had this in their locker room this year. And

980
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: you watch Alabama football this past year when you had

981
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith go off to the NFL Draft, and you

982
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: had in the past couple of years, Jalen Waddle and

983
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, you had all those guys, Henry Ruggs, they

984
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: go off to the NFL Draft. Then you brought in

985
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: the number one ranked receiver class, and so a lot

986
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: of people, well I was one of them. A lot

987
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: of folks thought those freshmen, just like those past freshmen,

988
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: they will seamlessly transition and by the midpoint of the

989
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: season they'll have two or three true freshmen starting for him.

990
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: What didn't happen that way, And instead they went and

991
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: got a dynamite transfer named Jamison Williams out of Ohio

992
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: State and he started, and he's going to be a

993
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: first round draft pick because of it. They had John Metchi,

994
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: who was a technician and a phenomenal perimeter blocker, probably

995
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: an underappreciated facet of his game that they missed everybody

996
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: as much as his past catching ability when he did

997
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: go down. But then you think to yourself, certainly they're

998
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: going to be okay because they have depth behind them.

999
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I remember all those five star Raty kids. They weren't ready.

1000
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: They weren't ready. Now you can either ask yourself, well,

1001
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: isn't that Nick Saban and his coaching staff's fault for

1002
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: not having him ready, Or you can say, well, maybe

1003
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: those kids can't be ready until mentally they are ready

1004
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: to be ready. There's only so much you can do

1005
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: at some point where you can tell Nick Saban's got

1006
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: to that point with those guys. It doesn't matter. They're

1007
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: still freshmen a lot of those guys, whereas most other

1008
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: coaching staffs out there, because they're terrified of losing their jobs,

1009
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: would be begging those guys not to transfer. Nick Saban

1010
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: took a mic You realize what he just did. He

1011
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: took a microphone and through the media openly dared those

1012
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: guys to transfer. He didn't care. He wants it to

1013
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: work out. But the thing about it is, if you're

1014
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: not wired the right way from the neck up, it

1015
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what talent God gave you, because if you're

1016
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: not taking care of your end of the bargain, they've

1017
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: got no use for you. And so Nick Saban takes

1018
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: the total opposite approach. It's what makes them one of

1019
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the best of all time. Julio Jones told a story

1020
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: one time Saban's first full recruiting cycle at Alabama, when

1021
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: he didn't even have any talent the likes of which

1022
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: he has now in the locker room. He walks in

1023
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: Julio Jones' living room and says, I'm gonna win with you.

1024
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win without you. I want you to be

1025
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: a part of what we do. It's gonna happen either way,

1026
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: and Julio Jones commits to Alabama. It's always been that

1027
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: way with him. It's not changing, but right now, like

1028
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: what fascinates me about that whole thing is a lot

1029
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: of coaches would either remain mom on this, They certainly

1030
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: would never go public with it, and even in private

1031
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: conversations they're probably baby guys along And Nick Saban goes

1032
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: scorched to earth and tells people in no uncertain terms,

1033
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it our way, or I don't need

1034
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: you here, don't care how many stars are next to

1035
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: your name. You need to move on, and he just

1036
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: dares them. And the beauty of it is because it's

1037
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: a natural filtration process. It's the same way in recruiting

1038
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: when you don't promise playing time and you tell guys

1039
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to compete against the best in the

1040
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: world to ever get on the field here. If that's

1041
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: not for you, Alabama's not for you, or George is

1042
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: not for you, Ohio State, it's not for you. When

1043
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: you recruit like that, you filter out the guys who

1044
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: are mentally weak. But then sometimes guys get through that

1045
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: filter and then they're on campus and they're on your roster.

1046
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Then you deal with it like this because this is

1047
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: another filtration process. And the fact of the matter is

1048
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: everyone in that locker room knows who he's talking about,

1049
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: including the guys who are responsible for that statement. They're

1050
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: gonna do one of two things. They will respond overwhelmingly

1051
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: positive to it, and they'll be better for it. And

1052
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: two years from now, when they're playing for another title,

1053
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: ESPN will do a pre game feature where those kids

1054
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: are telling you, boy, I hated it at the time,

1055
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: but that was one of the best things that ever happened.

1056
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: That's where my career turned. That'll happen or they'll transfer

1057
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: after spring practice. One of the two things will happen.

1058
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: So what he wants to know is he wants to

1059
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: know now he's not interested in having dead weight on

1060
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: his roster for another two years. And then you know,

1061
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: you kind of got a guy who never fulfilled expectations.

1062
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: But he just took up a scholarship for three or

1063
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: four years. Not the way it's going to happen at Alabama.

1064
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: So there's going to be that filtration process. That's all

1065
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: that was. So to answer the question from Tea by Bob, Bob,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised at all. He does this. He just

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Speaker 1: doesn't do it routinely because it has to maintain its

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Speaker 1: impact when it does happen. But I loved it, like

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Speaker 1: I'm always four coaches doing that. This is the bottom

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Speaker 1: line business. You cannot ask to be treated like a

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Speaker 1: grown man, But then when you don't do what grown

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Speaker 1: men are supposed to do, expect to be treated like

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Speaker 1: a kid. You got to choose one land or the other.

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Speaker 1: If you want to let me be treated like a kid,

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Speaker 1: that's cool. You're not going to get a scholarship there.

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Speaker 1: But if your full ride scholarship to play football at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: your days of being a boy are in high school

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Speaker 1: like this has grown man time, and if you don't

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Speaker 1: fulfill your end of the deal when they're giving you

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Speaker 1: every tool imaginable to succeed, you're going to get called out.

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Speaker 1: And you either deal with it and grow from it,

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Speaker 1: or you hit the road and go find somewhere else

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Speaker 1: to play. I think that's fair. That's the worst part

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Speaker 1: is when someone's not clear and not brutally honest with you.

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Speaker 1: That's the worst place to be in. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: where Nick Saban stands when it comes to any of

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Speaker 1: those guys he called out, No doubt whatsoever. Balls in

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Speaker 1: their court. Always has been, always will be. That's our

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Speaker 1: show tonight. We appreciate you watching. Make sure you let

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Speaker 1: me know some of you just tuned in. We're doing

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Speaker 1: something with Twitter spaces now. I want to be consistent

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Speaker 1: with it, and I want to be convenient with it,

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Speaker 1: so let me know. I'm open. I mean, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: listen to this whole week and I'll probably probably decide

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Speaker 1: something later this week. What do we want to do

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Speaker 1: with it? Do we want to do something consistent with it?

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Speaker 1: What time of day or week do we want to

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Speaker 1: do it? So I'm going to be listening, taking your suggestions,

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Speaker 1: and I'll let you know what comes out. Until then,

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Speaker 1: Core producer Jesse for director Colin, our entire production executive team.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate. Have yourselves a great start to your week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, and God bless