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Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Of

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Speaker 1: course Trump's not dead. On the other hand, how could

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Speaker 1: you be certain? And how could his own White House

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Speaker 1: have possibly made it look more like he was, or

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Speaker 1: make it look more like he is desperately ill or

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Speaker 1: had surgery or it is going to have surgery or what.

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Speaker 1: He has never voluntarily shut the f up for five

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Speaker 1: consecutive days in his effing life, and yet they maximize

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Speaker 1: the ways that would emphasize that he just had shut

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Speaker 1: the f up? Can Trump run for a third term

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Speaker 1: if he's dead? What if he faked his own death

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason? What's the Constitution say about that? Federalist society?

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Speaker 1: And most importantly, why are any of us complaining because

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Speaker 1: we didn't see him for two days and didn't hear

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Speaker 1: from him for five to start? No, it is not

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Speaker 1: ghoulish nor unfeeling to talk about the possible non violent

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Speaker 1: death of the President of the United States, especially when

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Speaker 1: he and his staff seemingly did everything possible to make

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Speaker 1: it look like he was dead or gravely ill or something.

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Speaker 1: It is not ghoulish or unfeeling in the least because

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Speaker 1: these people are always up to something and he has

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Speaker 1: a record of lying about his health for decades, and

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Speaker 1: there has never ever been a time when he voluntarily

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Speaker 1: shut the f up this long, to say nothing of

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Speaker 1: the fact that at the peak of the speculation, somebody

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Speaker 1: put out a fundraising email for Trump headlined I want

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Speaker 1: to try to get to Heaven, and that's the second

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Speaker 1: such email with that same headline to come out in

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Speaker 1: less than a week. I want to try to get

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Speaker 1: to Heaven. Hey, pal, don't let me stop you. Throughout this,

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Speaker 1: I was convinced, and I remain convinced that the only

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Speaker 1: thing that explains the fact that it was quiet to

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Speaker 1: quiet and explains that three and a half hour circle

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Speaker 1: bizarre JV. Vance interview with USA Today about the possibility

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Speaker 1: of a tragedy in which Vance succeeds Trump. You bet

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Speaker 1: your ass. The only thing that explains all of that

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Speaker 1: is some kind of life jeopardizing surgery or treatment or

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Speaker 1: condition that they all knew about and we still don't.

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Speaker 1: There are no circumstances under which Trump voluntarily decides to

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Speaker 1: just take the holiday weekend off and not say anything

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Speaker 1: not possible. He gave an interview to the Daily Caller

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Speaker 1: the way, the Daily Caller is not reliable on you

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Speaker 1: know facts. And in the interview, no video, no audio,

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Speaker 1: a couple of photos. He went to his golf club

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Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, nowhere near the pool photographers, let alone

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Speaker 1: the reporters. No questions, no comments, Only a couple of

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Speaker 1: long distance telephotos, at least one of which looks like

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Speaker 1: there is a bandage, a big bandage on the left hand.

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Speaker 1: No evidence he played golf, just a shot of him

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Speaker 1: in a cart. And it was so bad and so

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Speaker 1: unlike Trump that some key MAGA influencers repost did video

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Speaker 1: of him Saturday in the same golfitzire from June twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. They just made it seem like that's what

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Speaker 1: the video meant. They're asking the world to believe that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump chose not to talk. It's not possible. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: it's something else, what could keep him quiet, Something that

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Speaker 1: Get your praise in for dear leader before you who

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Speaker 1: you know is the self debasement by them at that thing,

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Speaker 1: the ones like Hagsith and Bondi who sit there day

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Speaker 1: after day praising him for all the things he's done,

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Speaker 1: in the short version. They could expand that endless d

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Speaker 1: they really planning to keep that up every week or

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Speaker 1: That idiot from the Labor Department, Laurie Chavez Dreamer, the

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Speaker 1: tell Trump she's done that. She invites him to go

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Speaker 1: see his quote, big beautiful face, hey, Secretary of the

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Speaker 1: was beautiful. It is not that these idiots humiliated themselves

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Speaker 1: praising him to his big, ugly face live on TV

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Speaker 1: covers these things live. They do that humiliating praise non

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Speaker 1: sense sense. Every one of these meetings that's why they

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Speaker 1: That's why they took those jobs. It's not the fawning

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Speaker 1: it possible there is something both wrong and imminent, that

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Speaker 1: we've had too many presidential assassinations and assassination in its attempts,

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Speaker 1: But a president dying from bad health in office is

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Speaker 1: happening in this country. FDR died in April nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 1: Before that, it was Warren G. Harding in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: Harding's heart attack Before harding. It was Zachary Taylor in

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Speaker 1: removed from our reality now that when remembered at all,

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Speaker 1: about why you should always remember to wear your hat

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Speaker 1: when it rains. It is not ghoulish. It is not

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Speaker 1: of presidential science fiction is about a serving president who

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Speaker 1: unnamed president in Advise and Consent. Because it's not like

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Speaker 1: Trump has spent the last month or so constantly talking

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Speaker 1: about going to heaven. Alright, he has. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: try to get to heaven. Last year. I came millimeters

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Speaker 1: triumphant returned to the White House was never supposed to happen.

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Speaker 1: But I believe that God saved me for one reason,

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Speaker 1: crookred Hillary in twenty sixteen, but I did. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but by the grace of Almighty God,

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Speaker 1: the odds are like three to two that until sometime

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Speaker 1: And this goes on for a lot longer, this fundraising email,

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Speaker 1: back to that headline. What's with that headline? Does he

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Speaker 1: want his people to think he's about to die? Is

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Speaker 1: there some sort of strategy here? What is exactly is

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Speaker 1: involuntary evidence. A week ago, Trump hiding his right hand

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Speaker 1: hand looking like they had just paved it. Somebody posted

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Speaker 1: Then the bandage on the hand on Saturday, and the

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Speaker 1: said if he ate better, Trump could live to two hundred.

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Speaker 1: Even Ronnie Jackson acknowledged that Trump's score on the calcium

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Speaker 1: White House is not lying about the hand. All the

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Speaker 1: repeated hand bruising over the last six months or so,

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Speaker 1: kind of bruising. No, no, no, no, that's just from

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Speaker 1: too many handshakes from too many people who just love him.

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Speaker 1: the hell with JV Vance? Why did JV Vance do

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Speaker 1: He we have video of Your boss.

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Speaker 2: Is one of the oldest people to ever be sworn

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Speaker 2: Assume the role of commander in chief? And why should

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Speaker 2: Americans trust you to leave the country.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've got a lot of good on the job

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Speaker 3: training of the last two hundred days. But also say

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Speaker 3: incredible energy. Yes, things can always happen, Yes, terrible tragedies happen,

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Speaker 3: I can't think of better on the jobs training than

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Speaker 1: I know he didn't ask the question, but what the hell, JV?

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Speaker 1: Was it a surprise? Doesn't sound like it was a surprise.

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Speaker 1: every day for ten years, probably sixty years. Something has accelerated,

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Speaker 1: even if it's just age. And you don't answer that

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Speaker 1: such things. Vance, you lie about everything else. You don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, Vance is dumb, but he's not that dumb.

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Speaker 1: Maga is furious, of course. How dare you say Trump

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Speaker 1: like he ever took a holiday off from being on camera,

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Speaker 1: life to himself. This whole story, whatever it is, whatever

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Speaker 1: it isn't, is Trump's own fault. That is his white

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Speaker 1: House that let him do an interview supposedly with no

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. I'm still ahead on this all new

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Speaker 1: edition of Countdown Sportsball Center and things I promise not

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Speaker 1: to tell merge yet again baseball and pictures and injuries

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Speaker 1: as the baseball pennant races really begin, and the assumption

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Speaker 1: that more pictures than ever are getting hurt, and how

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00:28:57,155 --> 00:29:00,675
Speaker 1: it's terrible they all have to have Tommy John surgery.

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00:29:00,875 --> 00:29:04,875
Speaker 1: That whole line of thinking is backwards. To tell me,

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Speaker 1: John surgery and other operations save nearly all the pitchers

438
00:29:09,955 --> 00:29:13,355
Speaker 1: for whom just fifty years ago would have seen their

439
00:29:13,355 --> 00:29:16,955
Speaker 1: careers ended if they got any of the injuries. It's

440
00:29:16,995 --> 00:29:21,115
Speaker 1: a life saver. It's a career saver. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: the sagas of three young pitching prospects of the nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixties before there were such surgeries. One was named tom Sever,

443
00:29:29,395 --> 00:29:33,795
Speaker 1: another was named Gary Lynn, Nolan, and the third one

444
00:29:33,835 --> 00:29:38,955
Speaker 1: was named Lynn Nolan Ryan. Plus, if baseball really thinks

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00:29:38,995 --> 00:29:43,155
Speaker 1: fewer pitching surgeries are an absolute must, I have the solution.

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00:29:43,675 --> 00:29:47,115
Speaker 1: I guarantee it will work. I guarantee near one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent success. Two small rule changes, and the number of

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Speaker 1: serious pitching injuries will drop to almost none. Next in

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Speaker 1: sports Ball Center First, believe it or not, there's still

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Speaker 1: more new idiots to talk about. The roundup of the

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Speaker 1: miss Grants, Morons and Dunning Kruger effects Smon's who constitute

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Speaker 1: today's other worst persons in the world. The Bronze worse. Milanya,

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Speaker 1: the first immigrant of the United States, mother of a

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Speaker 1: first generation American citizen unless Hubby gets away with destroying

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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship. Milanya and Mark Guducci, the new editor of

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Speaker 1: Vanity Fair magazine, who I mentioned last week in a

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Speaker 1: different context. Guducci reportedly tried to get the Floatus on

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Speaker 1: the cover of Vanity Fair, to which the staff of

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Speaker 1: the magazine threatened to walk out because he would be

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Speaker 1: mainstreaming and normalizing fascism. They refused to work if he

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Speaker 1: did not abandon efforts to put Milania Trump on the

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Speaker 1: cover of Vanity Fair. Apparently it's been abandoned. But the

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Speaker 1: real interesting story here is that they're that whole idea

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Speaker 1: that they would walk out. That's one anti Millennia leak,

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Speaker 1: which almost simultaneously was followed by a pro Millennia leak,

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Speaker 1: presumably from the Millenia Trump press staff to the New

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Speaker 1: York Post of course, the pro Trump House organ If

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Speaker 1: you will forgive the use of that term. The quote

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Speaker 1: from the unnamed source, she doesn't have time to be

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Speaker 1: sitting in a photo shoot. Her priorities is first, Lady,

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Speaker 1: are far more important. These people don't deserve her anyway.

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Speaker 1: Unquote Yeah, yeah, Milenia Trump would never do that, would

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Speaker 1: never bother to be on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine.

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Speaker 1: She was on the cover of Vanity Fair magazine in

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Speaker 1: February of twenty seventeen. Of course not she'd never never

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Speaker 1: do that. She did it already. She used to be model.

477
00:31:57,115 --> 00:31:58,755
Speaker 1: You never know when she might have to go back

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Speaker 1: to it. What a bunch of crap. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if this editor Griiducci and Vanity Fair, if they sound familiar,

480
00:32:06,035 --> 00:32:08,075
Speaker 1: they were on the list last time as the rumored

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Speaker 1: location of the comeback of you Know Who, My ex or,

482
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Speaker 1: as the Daily Beast headline called her RFK Junior's digital lover.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Olivia.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The runner up were Sir Candace Owens again after the

486
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Speaker 1: school shooting in Minnesota. I didn't see this at the time.

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00:32:33,475 --> 00:32:37,595
Speaker 1: Quote in a tweet or something. The government is behind this.

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00:32:38,395 --> 00:32:41,795
Speaker 1: Each shooting is more traumatizing than the last, because the

489
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Speaker 1: goal is to scare us into compliance. It is the

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Speaker 1: tried and true strategy of nine to eleven and the

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Speaker 1: Manson murders. Both CIA operations do not ever agree to

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Speaker 1: hand over your Second Amendment rights. So, among other things,

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Speaker 1: you're suggesting here that Donald Trump was behind the shooting

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Agree on that. Although this is such an

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Speaker 1: old conspiracy theory, I'm really surprised even somebody as stupid

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Speaker 1: as Candice Owens is pushing this. Did she have Stephen A.

497
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Speaker 1: Smith On to comment on it? If you want a

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Speaker 1: good conspiracy theory to push, Candy brain, Maybe the government

499
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Speaker 1: is behind school shootings, But let me translate that into reality.

500
00:33:27,955 --> 00:33:32,355
Speaker 1: Maybe Republicans take no action to stop school shootings because

501
00:33:32,555 --> 00:33:36,555
Speaker 1: they depend on political contributions from those in the child

502
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Speaker 1: murdering business. And maybe the Republicans take no action to

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Speaker 1: stop school shootings, to try to encourage schools to buy

504
00:33:44,755 --> 00:33:49,035
Speaker 1: guns or hired armed guards, and to encourage parents to

505
00:33:49,075 --> 00:33:52,955
Speaker 1: buy guns because more guns means more cash for the

506
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Speaker 1: people in the child murdering business. And maybe the Republicans

507
00:33:57,155 --> 00:33:59,955
Speaker 1: take no action to stop school shootings to make home

508
00:34:00,115 --> 00:34:05,275
Speaker 1: schooling even more viable, more attractive. See, you have to

509
00:34:05,275 --> 00:34:08,235
Speaker 1: be a certain age to remember this, but home schooling

510
00:34:08,355 --> 00:34:13,715
Speaker 1: used to be called truancy. You aren't a teacher, you

511
00:34:13,755 --> 00:34:17,275
Speaker 1: don't have the time, you don't know one topic that

512
00:34:17,315 --> 00:34:20,315
Speaker 1: you're teaching, let alone five different ones. But you're gonna

513
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Speaker 1: teach your kids at home with all the distractions of

514
00:34:25,075 --> 00:34:28,515
Speaker 1: being at home for twelve years, and somehow you're gonna

515
00:34:28,555 --> 00:34:31,115
Speaker 1: let them be exposed to other ideas and viewpoints and

516
00:34:31,595 --> 00:34:35,515
Speaker 1: just learn to behave among other people. Even if they

517
00:34:35,555 --> 00:34:38,275
Speaker 1: ultimately reject all those ideas and viewpoints and people and

518
00:34:38,315 --> 00:34:41,995
Speaker 1: they accept yours, You're gonna do all that. Homeschooling is

519
00:34:41,995 --> 00:34:45,235
Speaker 1: one of the reasons America gets dumber every year. Not

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Speaker 1: every homeschooled kid is a moron, but a vast majority

521
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Speaker 1: of them have absolutely no perspective on the world outside

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00:34:53,835 --> 00:34:56,675
Speaker 1: and couldn't tell you if there's another thousand people in

523
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Speaker 1: the world or seven billion. Maybe try one of those conspiracies, Candy. Also,

524
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Speaker 1: how's the macro on suit going? But our winner the worst?

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Speaker 1: Speaking of conspiracy theory, nutjobs, Tucker Carlson, how many times

526
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Speaker 1: can you destroy your own career? I mean, I've been

527
00:35:16,235 --> 00:35:19,515
Speaker 1: accused of doing it to my own career a couple times.

528
00:35:19,795 --> 00:35:22,995
Speaker 1: But even I at my supposed worst would be a

529
00:35:23,115 --> 00:35:29,435
Speaker 1: piker and amateure compared to this asshole. Tucker Carlson, Fired

530
00:35:29,435 --> 00:35:36,315
Speaker 1: by CNN, fired by MSNBC, fired by Fox, rehired by Fox,

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Speaker 1: given the eight PM show on Fox, and then fired

532
00:35:38,915 --> 00:35:44,835
Speaker 1: again by Fox, then hired and essentially fired by Elon Musk.

533
00:35:45,675 --> 00:35:47,835
Speaker 1: How do you get fired by Elon Musk if you're

534
00:35:47,875 --> 00:35:53,515
Speaker 1: crazy and now fired even from the fringes of American

535
00:35:53,635 --> 00:35:58,515
Speaker 1: media and the conspiracy theory section of that, with a

536
00:35:58,515 --> 00:36:03,835
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that just doesn't add up, even among conspiracy theorists.

537
00:36:04,075 --> 00:36:06,875
Speaker 1: And when I say doesn't add up, I mean this literally,

538
00:36:07,675 --> 00:36:11,475
Speaker 1: Tucks and Carlson has moved into nine to eleven trutherism

539
00:36:11,555 --> 00:36:14,955
Speaker 1: grifting a little late in the field, and he's got

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Speaker 1: one small problem math. I mean, listen to this with

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Speaker 1: a video attached to it. For nearly twenty five years,

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00:36:23,075 --> 00:36:25,835
Speaker 1: the true story on nine to eleven has been withheld

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00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:28,795
Speaker 1: from the American people. Why we decided to find out

544
00:36:28,875 --> 00:36:34,035
Speaker 1: for ourselves. Who's this? Wei is the other person in

545
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Speaker 1: the room with you? Get all five episodes of our

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Speaker 1: documentary series at Tuckercarlson dot com on September eleventh. An

547
00:36:44,515 --> 00:36:46,595
Speaker 1: official story on nine to eleven is a complete lie,

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Speaker 1: and there's a picture of Bin mood. But wait for

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Speaker 1: nearly twenty five years, twenty five, twenty twenty twenty five. Now,

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Speaker 1: I hate to break this to you, Tucker, but nine

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00:37:00,235 --> 00:37:04,795
Speaker 1: to eleven was nine eleven two thousand and one. Let

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Speaker 1: me see, twenty twenty five minus two thousand and one

553
00:37:07,995 --> 00:37:12,675
Speaker 1: equals twenty five. No, no, it doesn't equal twenty five

554
00:37:12,675 --> 00:37:15,075
Speaker 1: and equals twenty four. So if we're not yet at

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00:37:15,075 --> 00:37:17,235
Speaker 1: the anniversary of nine to eleven, that means nine to

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Speaker 1: eleven is not nearly twenty five years ago. It's nearly

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Speaker 1: twenty four years ago. Unless you've gotten the year wrong, Tucker,

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Speaker 1: and you think nine to eleven took place in two thousand.

559
00:37:28,635 --> 00:37:31,755
Speaker 1: Seems like getting the year wrong is a bad start

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00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:35,675
Speaker 1: for your nine to eleven Truther bullshit. I mean nearly

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Speaker 1: twenty five years ago. If that's true, you could say

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Speaker 1: nearly fifty years ago or nearly one hundred years ago.

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00:37:41,435 --> 00:37:48,395
Speaker 1: Those are just as inaccurate. Tucker, Oh, he must have

564
00:37:48,475 --> 00:37:54,595
Speaker 1: hit a math wall Carlson two days other worst person.

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Speaker 2: And this is sports Senate Wait, check that not anymore.

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Speaker 2: This is Countdown with Keith.

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Speaker 1: Ulberman, and it's Sportsball Center time combined with things I

568
00:38:32,515 --> 00:38:35,275
Speaker 1: promised not to tell our number one story on the Countdown.

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Speaker 1: And this starts with a man you may or may

570
00:38:37,835 --> 00:38:40,595
Speaker 1: not have heard of, even if you are a baseball fan.

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00:38:41,115 --> 00:38:43,475
Speaker 1: His name is Randy Rodriguez. He is a pitcher with

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants. On Friday, he turns twenty six

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Speaker 1: years old. And I don't know what he'll be doing

574
00:38:49,555 --> 00:38:51,755
Speaker 1: on Friday for his birthday, but one thing we know

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00:38:51,835 --> 00:38:54,915
Speaker 1: he will not be doing is pitching. It has been

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Speaker 1: quite a one month period for Randy Rodriguez. About a

577
00:38:59,315 --> 00:39:02,595
Speaker 1: month ago, maybe more like two, he was a middle

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Speaker 1: relief pitcher, a setup man for the Giants, and he

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Speaker 1: was so good at it. This season he came into

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Speaker 1: his own that he became an All Star and he

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Speaker 1: made it to the All Star team and pitched in

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game. And during the All Star Game,

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Speaker 1: everybody said, this is the soon to be closer, the

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Speaker 1: number one relief pitcher of the San Francisco Giants. And

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Speaker 1: then Randy Rodriguez did not pitch well in that All

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Speaker 1: Star Game, and when the season resumed in the middle

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Speaker 1: of July, he didn't pitch well for the San Francisco Giants,

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Speaker 1: And as the weeks went by, the Giants still traded

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Speaker 1: the men above him in their depth chart, their closer,

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Speaker 1: and they traded the men below him in their depth chart,

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00:39:43,955 --> 00:39:47,475
Speaker 1: their setup man rogers. They traded them both because they

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Speaker 1: had All Star Randy Rodriguez to become the closer. And

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Speaker 1: then he started to get the elbow pain and then

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Speaker 1: it became intolerable, and then they put him on the

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Speaker 1: injured list, and then they said he had a right

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00:39:58,355 --> 00:40:00,835
Speaker 1: elbow sprain, and then they sent him for an MRI

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00:40:01,635 --> 00:40:05,435
Speaker 1: and they determined that his ulner collateral ligament was torn.

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Speaker 1: Surgery has been recommended. He is to get Tommy John surgery.

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Speaker 1: They may fots around with it, but eventually it will happen.

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Speaker 1: He will be out for all of this year, certainly,

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Speaker 1: no matter whether he has the surgery or not, and

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Speaker 1: probably all or most of next and the cry goes

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Speaker 1: up again in every corner of baseball and sports. These

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Speaker 1: Tommy John surgeries are ruining baseball. We have to have

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Speaker 1: fewer of them. By two twenty three, more than a

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Speaker 1: third thirty five percent of all active pitchers in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball had had Tommy John surgery. That's declined slightly

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Speaker 1: in the two years since, but not a lot. We

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Speaker 1: have to change the rules somehow. We have to make

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Speaker 1: sure pictures don't get Tommy John surgery. It's ruining the game.

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Speaker 1: This is totally backwards. This is totally backwards. Tommy John

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Speaker 1: surgery has been the greatest thing for pitchers and in

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Speaker 1: fact for baseball, other than free agency and a lot

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00:41:12,515 --> 00:41:16,355
Speaker 1: of television exposure and some superstar players who seem to

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00:41:16,395 --> 00:41:19,235
Speaker 1: have been unique to the half century, Tommy John surgery

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00:41:19,315 --> 00:41:23,755
Speaker 1: and related surgeries on pitchers arms and shoulders and elbows

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00:41:24,155 --> 00:41:27,875
Speaker 1: and sternum's have been the greatest thing to happen to

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Speaker 1: baseball and certainly to pictures since I was a child.

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Speaker 1: It saves guys like Randy Rodriguez, and ultimately it saves

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Speaker 1: baseball because a star pitcher who was injured has a

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Speaker 1: chance of coming back. Now, the surgery happens because the

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Speaker 1: injury happens, but the injuries have always happened. The surgery

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Speaker 1: happens because now we know what the injuries are, because

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Speaker 1: the MRI and other devices allow us to see inside

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Speaker 1: the human body without cutting it up for what used

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00:41:57,395 --> 00:42:01,155
Speaker 1: to be referred to as exploratory surgery. Have you ever

627
00:42:01,195 --> 00:42:03,635
Speaker 1: been in a doctor's office where the guy said, I'm

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00:42:03,675 --> 00:42:05,795
Speaker 1: not sure what's wrong with you, but I want to

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Speaker 1: do exploratory surgery to find out. I had a guy

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Speaker 1: say that to me about my shoulder about two thousand

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Speaker 1: and seven. I walked out of the room. I don't

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Speaker 1: even think I paid him. You're going to open me

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00:42:18,675 --> 00:42:20,715
Speaker 1: up rather than just look at the pictures you just

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00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:24,075
Speaker 1: took of my shoulder. And in the old days, that's

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Speaker 1: all they had. Tommy John surgery is named for the

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Speaker 1: first guy who underwent it, who had a replacement ligament

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Speaker 1: put into his elbow a transplant. His name was Tommy John.

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00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:41,115
Speaker 1: I know him very well, or knew him very well

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00:42:41,115 --> 00:42:45,475
Speaker 1: in any event, and he was simply out of business

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00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:48,155
Speaker 1: at the age of thirty one. His ulner collateral ligament

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00:42:48,235 --> 00:42:50,875
Speaker 1: had torn. They found this out by going to a

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Speaker 1: doctor named Frank Job in Los Angeles, and he put

643
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Speaker 1: John in a certain position with his throwing arm, his

644
00:42:57,035 --> 00:42:59,315
Speaker 1: left hand up in the air, and he said, now

645
00:42:59,435 --> 00:43:02,115
Speaker 1: push your arm forward. Does that hurt? And he said

646
00:43:02,155 --> 00:43:05,195
Speaker 1: a little. Now, let me push the arm back, and

647
00:43:05,275 --> 00:43:08,075
Speaker 1: if it hurts, then we know that the ligament is

648
00:43:08,075 --> 00:43:10,275
Speaker 1: actually torn. And he pushed the arm back, and the

649
00:43:10,315 --> 00:43:12,515
Speaker 1: sound I will not recreate for you here, but apparently

650
00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:16,235
Speaker 1: it was like oh, only much much louder and much

651
00:43:16,315 --> 00:43:18,915
Speaker 1: much longer. And Tommy John said, what do we do

652
00:43:18,955 --> 00:43:21,915
Speaker 1: about this? And doctor Job, who spell length has said,

653
00:43:22,555 --> 00:43:25,235
Speaker 1: you are tired. There's nothing to do for it. And

654
00:43:25,275 --> 00:43:28,795
Speaker 1: Tommy John, who has a few holes in his intelligence

655
00:43:28,995 --> 00:43:32,755
Speaker 1: but otherwise as a really bright guy, said, I'm thirty

656
00:43:32,795 --> 00:43:35,195
Speaker 1: one years old. This is how I make my money.

657
00:43:35,355 --> 00:43:38,315
Speaker 1: I have no other skills, and you're telling me I'm done.

658
00:43:38,515 --> 00:43:41,795
Speaker 1: There's nothing medical science can do to help me. Nothing.

659
00:43:42,755 --> 00:43:44,715
Speaker 1: You can't put a new ligament in there.

660
00:43:45,155 --> 00:43:45,395
Speaker 2: Now.

661
00:43:46,955 --> 00:43:49,555
Speaker 1: There's just on the radio this morning as I was

662
00:43:49,635 --> 00:43:54,275
Speaker 1: driving to your clinic, there's been another heart transplant. You're

663
00:43:54,315 --> 00:43:58,795
Speaker 1: telling me you can't put how complex is a heart

664
00:43:58,915 --> 00:44:01,995
Speaker 1: compared to the ligament that's torn in my elbow that's

665
00:44:02,075 --> 00:44:05,635
Speaker 1: causing me this pain when I throw the baseball. How complex,

666
00:44:06,275 --> 00:44:09,075
Speaker 1: Probably about a million times, and you can transplant a

667
00:44:09,075 --> 00:44:13,715
Speaker 1: new one, transplant a ligament into your elbow to replace

668
00:44:13,795 --> 00:44:17,275
Speaker 1: the torn one. I never thought of that. Well, you

669
00:44:17,315 --> 00:44:20,755
Speaker 1: can see where it's gone from there. Even then, they

670
00:44:20,795 --> 00:44:24,035
Speaker 1: couldn't be sure what they would find when they operated,

671
00:44:24,075 --> 00:44:27,395
Speaker 1: but at least that exploratory surgery had some clinical basis

672
00:44:27,435 --> 00:44:30,115
Speaker 1: to it. Doctor, it hurts when I do this, don't

673
00:44:30,155 --> 00:44:32,515
Speaker 1: do that? What we can operate now? And they did it,

674
00:44:32,555 --> 00:44:36,035
Speaker 1: and it was successful, and it wasn't initially a universal

675
00:44:36,155 --> 00:44:38,635
Speaker 1: cure for any of the pitcher's problems, and it still isn't.

676
00:44:38,955 --> 00:44:41,315
Speaker 1: The second man to get Tommy John surgery was a

677
00:44:41,315 --> 00:44:44,675
Speaker 1: great fellow named Brent Strom, and it didn't work for him.

678
00:44:45,275 --> 00:44:46,715
Speaker 1: He might have been the first, and then it would

679
00:44:46,755 --> 00:44:49,715
Speaker 1: be Brent Strom surgery. It might have worked, and it

680
00:44:49,795 --> 00:44:53,235
Speaker 1: might have been Brent Strom surgery, but instead he had

681
00:44:53,275 --> 00:44:55,795
Speaker 1: to retire and became a pitching coach and is still

682
00:44:55,835 --> 00:45:00,955
Speaker 1: doing that today. In any event, Tommy John surgeries save

683
00:45:01,195 --> 00:45:05,635
Speaker 1: guys like Randy Rodriguez and baseball injury happens because the

684
00:45:05,675 --> 00:45:09,955
Speaker 1: injury happens because guys are throwing overhand, which used to

685
00:45:10,035 --> 00:45:13,355
Speaker 1: be illegal in baseball because it is not a natural

686
00:45:13,515 --> 00:45:16,115
Speaker 1: use of your arm. Do it long enough and it's

687
00:45:16,155 --> 00:45:19,035
Speaker 1: going to hurt. It's going to at least hurt. Do

688
00:45:19,115 --> 00:45:22,275
Speaker 1: it long enough and you'll tear something, you will break something.

689
00:45:23,475 --> 00:45:26,515
Speaker 1: It used to be illegal to throw overhand in baseball.

690
00:45:26,635 --> 00:45:28,555
Speaker 1: It was automatically a ball, and if you did it

691
00:45:28,595 --> 00:45:30,795
Speaker 1: too often, they threw you out of the game. They

692
00:45:30,915 --> 00:45:35,875
Speaker 1: changed those rules in the eighteen seventies because they simply

693
00:45:35,915 --> 00:45:39,355
Speaker 1: couldn't stop pitchers from throwing overhand, because you could throw

694
00:45:39,395 --> 00:45:42,115
Speaker 1: the ball harder, you could curve the ball if you

695
00:45:42,155 --> 00:45:45,115
Speaker 1: threw it overhand, and most importantly, you had more control

696
00:45:45,155 --> 00:45:47,395
Speaker 1: of where it was going to go and how you

697
00:45:47,435 --> 00:45:53,475
Speaker 1: could elude the batter. It became a motivating factor in

698
00:45:53,555 --> 00:45:56,035
Speaker 1: a pitcher's success and thus the amount of money he

699
00:45:56,115 --> 00:46:02,795
Speaker 1: made doing baseball, and the rule against overhand throwing was

700
00:46:02,795 --> 00:46:07,275
Speaker 1: eliminated one hundred and fifty odd years ago. The injury

701
00:46:07,315 --> 00:46:10,355
Speaker 1: occurs because guys throw too hard. They throw too hard,

702
00:46:10,395 --> 00:46:13,235
Speaker 1: because a guy throwing one hundred miles an hour is

703
00:46:13,275 --> 00:46:15,595
Speaker 1: going to be making twenty percent more than a guy

704
00:46:15,595 --> 00:46:18,555
Speaker 1: throwing ninety five miles an hour in most cases, never

705
00:46:18,595 --> 00:46:21,155
Speaker 1: mind the used to be ninety miles an hour got

706
00:46:21,195 --> 00:46:23,795
Speaker 1: to the top salary for a pitcher in baseball. Ninety

707
00:46:23,835 --> 00:46:26,475
Speaker 1: miles an hour might get you a job pitching for

708
00:46:27,715 --> 00:46:33,115
Speaker 1: Columbus and not Columbus Ohio, Columbus Georgia. They throw too often.

709
00:46:33,915 --> 00:46:37,315
Speaker 1: Pitchers used to warm up before games from a flat surface,

710
00:46:37,355 --> 00:46:41,155
Speaker 1: not from a mound. Yes, they pitched more often in games,

711
00:46:41,435 --> 00:46:43,635
Speaker 1: but a warm up consisted of twenty or thirty or

712
00:46:43,635 --> 00:46:49,355
Speaker 1: however many pitches that were essentially hard catch. Now they

713
00:46:49,395 --> 00:46:52,115
Speaker 1: throw up, throw games essentially in the bullpen before they

714
00:46:52,195 --> 00:46:54,595
Speaker 1: throw a game on the mound. And lastly, of course,

715
00:46:54,675 --> 00:46:58,515
Speaker 1: threw too many breaking balls. Twisting the wrist, the elbow,

716
00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:04,235
Speaker 1: the fingers. Imagine going to your door and grabbing your

717
00:47:04,515 --> 00:47:08,315
Speaker 1: head handle there or your doorknob, particularly an old door knob,

718
00:47:08,595 --> 00:47:11,595
Speaker 1: and twisting it to open the door. But do it

719
00:47:11,635 --> 00:47:16,995
Speaker 1: every twenty seconds. Tell me how many minutes go by

720
00:47:17,115 --> 00:47:19,715
Speaker 1: before you begin to feel like you've torn something in

721
00:47:19,795 --> 00:47:22,555
Speaker 1: your elbow or your shoulder. That is how to be

722
00:47:22,675 --> 00:47:24,955
Speaker 1: a major league pitcher. Only you have to do it

723
00:47:25,195 --> 00:47:28,315
Speaker 1: while moving your arm with such force that it produces

724
00:47:28,355 --> 00:47:31,995
Speaker 1: a speed on that doorknob of ninety five, ninety six

725
00:47:32,115 --> 00:47:35,955
Speaker 1: or ninety seven miles an hour. In other words, what

726
00:47:36,035 --> 00:47:37,955
Speaker 1: you do which will cause you in less than an

727
00:47:37,955 --> 00:47:43,395
Speaker 1: hour to go, how that really hurts? Okay, these guys

728
00:47:43,475 --> 00:47:47,435
Speaker 1: do only at higher speeds and more often so. Some

729
00:47:47,515 --> 00:47:50,275
Speaker 1: of the ideas that are floating around and resurface every

730
00:47:50,315 --> 00:47:54,115
Speaker 1: time somebody like Randy Rodriguez gets hurt. Oh, he was

731
00:47:54,155 --> 00:47:56,195
Speaker 1: a promising prospect, and now he's going to have to

732
00:47:56,235 --> 00:47:59,315
Speaker 1: go through maybe a year and a half in which

733
00:47:59,355 --> 00:48:03,915
Speaker 1: he'll still get paid, and he'll recuperate, and his arm

734
00:48:03,955 --> 00:48:06,595
Speaker 1: in fact might be stronger than it was. The odds

735
00:48:06,635 --> 00:48:08,635
Speaker 1: now are something like nine out of ten that the

736
00:48:08,755 --> 00:48:10,995
Speaker 1: arm will actually be able to throw the ball faster

737
00:48:11,915 --> 00:48:17,235
Speaker 1: when he comes back. Terrible. We're crucifying these guys. And

738
00:48:17,355 --> 00:48:19,995
Speaker 1: kids get these surgeries at sixteen. So, in other words,

739
00:48:20,035 --> 00:48:23,235
Speaker 1: a baseball player or would be baseball player whose career

740
00:48:23,355 --> 00:48:26,715
Speaker 1: dreams were dashed as a teenager can now continue to

741
00:48:26,795 --> 00:48:32,435
Speaker 1: pursue them because of these surgeries. The ideas to eliminate

742
00:48:32,635 --> 00:48:35,515
Speaker 1: or decrease the number of Tommy John and other related

743
00:48:35,555 --> 00:48:39,275
Speaker 1: surgeries on pitchers include and I'm not making any of

744
00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:42,475
Speaker 1: this up from the Commissioner's office. This story leaked last

745
00:48:42,555 --> 00:48:45,835
Speaker 1: year putting a limit on how many pitchers a team

746
00:48:46,275 --> 00:48:49,995
Speaker 1: can use in a season, like you can only use

747
00:48:50,035 --> 00:48:52,675
Speaker 1: twenty pitchers, Sorry, you're out of pitchers. You're going to

748
00:48:52,755 --> 00:48:54,995
Speaker 1: have to use your catcher is going to have to throw.

749
00:48:55,035 --> 00:48:56,755
Speaker 1: And we know how well that works. If you've ever

750
00:48:56,795 --> 00:48:59,315
Speaker 1: watched a baseball game in which a catcher comes out

751
00:48:59,315 --> 00:49:03,315
Speaker 1: and throws forty one miles an hour two hitters who

752
00:49:03,755 --> 00:49:07,115
Speaker 1: can then hold their swing back half a second and

753
00:49:07,155 --> 00:49:10,555
Speaker 1: hit the ball seven hundred and fifty feet. That's one. Now,

754
00:49:10,555 --> 00:49:12,755
Speaker 1: the idea of putting a limit on how many pitchers

755
00:49:12,755 --> 00:49:15,475
Speaker 1: a team can use in a season is like saying, Okay,

756
00:49:15,555 --> 00:49:18,075
Speaker 1: we're going to limit the number of beds in this hospital,

757
00:49:18,195 --> 00:49:22,835
Speaker 1: and therefore there'll be fewer sick people. Here's a good one.

758
00:49:23,275 --> 00:49:27,155
Speaker 1: I believe this comes from Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred, who

759
00:49:27,515 --> 00:49:29,435
Speaker 1: we don't know if he's ever actually been to a

760
00:49:29,475 --> 00:49:31,675
Speaker 1: Major League baseball game. We know he does not enjoy

761
00:49:31,715 --> 00:49:36,115
Speaker 1: baseball particularly and certainly, without question, does not understand anything

762
00:49:36,155 --> 00:49:39,835
Speaker 1: that happens on the field. This was apparently from him

763
00:49:40,035 --> 00:49:45,315
Speaker 1: or his office every starting pitcher must throw six innings.

764
00:49:46,275 --> 00:49:48,115
Speaker 1: You can't come out of the game. You can't be

765
00:49:48,275 --> 00:49:50,915
Speaker 1: voluntarily taken out of the game period. I don't care

766
00:49:50,915 --> 00:49:53,795
Speaker 1: if he's dead, he has to pitch six innings. Actually,

767
00:49:53,875 --> 00:49:57,275
Speaker 1: there would be certain ways out, but the idea would

768
00:49:57,275 --> 00:50:00,675
Speaker 1: be no longer to incentivize throwing as hard as you can,

769
00:50:00,875 --> 00:50:06,235
Speaker 1: but incentivizing pitching six innings. Though the teams would still

770
00:50:06,275 --> 00:50:08,715
Speaker 1: pay pitchers based on how hard they threw and how

771
00:50:08,715 --> 00:50:12,635
Speaker 1: many strikeouts they got and how effective they were over say,

772
00:50:12,675 --> 00:50:15,235
Speaker 1: a period of four innings or five innings. No, make

773
00:50:15,275 --> 00:50:17,795
Speaker 1: them throw the sixth inning. And by the way, the

774
00:50:17,835 --> 00:50:20,435
Speaker 1: whole thing of pitchers coming out after five innings, that's

775
00:50:20,515 --> 00:50:23,435
Speaker 1: not about injuries. It used to be. It used to

776
00:50:23,475 --> 00:50:26,195
Speaker 1: be a thing called pitch count. It's now more about

777
00:50:26,195 --> 00:50:30,075
Speaker 1: the fact that the resources available to hitters, combined with

778
00:50:30,115 --> 00:50:33,795
Speaker 1: the practical experience of facing an individual pitcher in a game,

779
00:50:34,075 --> 00:50:37,115
Speaker 1: means that if you've batted against a pitcher twice, the

780
00:50:37,195 --> 00:50:40,435
Speaker 1: third time you come up against him, your ability to

781
00:50:40,555 --> 00:50:43,555
Speaker 1: know what his pitches may be, where they may appear,

782
00:50:43,835 --> 00:50:46,195
Speaker 1: how they may try to deceive you, what they look

783
00:50:46,315 --> 00:50:48,995
Speaker 1: like coming out of his hand, and little ticks and

784
00:50:49,155 --> 00:50:53,355
Speaker 1: gestures and tips, as they say, may be accompanying each

785
00:50:53,435 --> 00:50:56,075
Speaker 1: individual kind of pitch should be enough for you to

786
00:50:56,115 --> 00:50:59,795
Speaker 1: send his next pitch to mars. Pitchers don't face hitters

787
00:50:59,795 --> 00:51:01,955
Speaker 1: for a third time, not because they've already thrown a

788
00:51:02,075 --> 00:51:05,835
Speaker 1: hundred pitches in a game, but because they've thrown nine, ten,

789
00:51:06,035 --> 00:51:09,195
Speaker 1: eleven pitches to an individual batter, and on pitch number

790
00:51:09,195 --> 00:51:14,435
Speaker 1: twelve to an individual patter, kaboom. That's why they come out.

791
00:51:14,875 --> 00:51:18,835
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to eliminate videotape and digital tape and

792
00:51:19,595 --> 00:51:23,435
Speaker 1: reviewing of the bat the batters at bats during a game.

793
00:51:23,475 --> 00:51:25,395
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to stop that. That would be much

794
00:51:25,475 --> 00:51:30,475
Speaker 1: better than must pitch six innings again. Force them to

795
00:51:30,475 --> 00:51:34,275
Speaker 1: pitch six innings and they'll throw slower, they'll do less

796
00:51:34,355 --> 00:51:37,075
Speaker 1: damage to their arm, while you pay them more the

797
00:51:37,155 --> 00:51:42,195
Speaker 1: faster they throw. There are rules changes in baseball that

798
00:51:42,275 --> 00:51:47,595
Speaker 1: you could implement that would, in fact, reduce Tommy John

799
00:51:47,635 --> 00:51:52,795
Speaker 1: and other surgeries to almost zero. They are draconian, They

800
00:51:52,835 --> 00:51:55,955
Speaker 1: make very little sense. They make slightly more sense than

801
00:51:56,035 --> 00:51:58,995
Speaker 1: forcing pitchers to pitch longer, when the problem is that

802
00:51:59,075 --> 00:52:02,795
Speaker 1: pitching longer hurts them more, which makes no sense whatsoever.

803
00:52:03,115 --> 00:52:05,915
Speaker 1: Or somehow branding time tell me John Surgery as this

804
00:52:05,995 --> 00:52:10,075
Speaker 1: great evil. They are draconian, but I guarantee they will

805
00:52:10,075 --> 00:52:13,275
Speaker 1: work in whole or in part. I'll less than in

806
00:52:13,315 --> 00:52:15,835
Speaker 1: a minute. But I wanted to tell a story of

807
00:52:15,875 --> 00:52:18,315
Speaker 1: three pictures from my childhood and what happened to them,

808
00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:21,955
Speaker 1: and how the thing has changed in the ensuing now

809
00:52:22,035 --> 00:52:25,515
Speaker 1: nearly sixty years. There was a pheow named Gary Nolan.

810
00:52:25,835 --> 00:52:27,875
Speaker 1: He was a pitcher with the Cincinnati Reds in nineteen

811
00:52:27,915 --> 00:52:30,955
Speaker 1: sixty seven, A rookie who was still eighteen years old

812
00:52:30,995 --> 00:52:34,315
Speaker 1: when he unexpectedly made the rotation of the Cincinnati Reds

813
00:52:34,315 --> 00:52:36,835
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. That year, at the age of eighteen,

814
00:52:36,875 --> 00:52:39,675
Speaker 1: he threw two hundred and twenty seven innings, which would

815
00:52:39,675 --> 00:52:41,915
Speaker 1: be more than anybody is likely to throw this season

816
00:52:41,955 --> 00:52:44,875
Speaker 1: in baseball. He struck out two hundred and six batters.

817
00:52:45,115 --> 00:52:47,555
Speaker 1: He won fourteen games and lost eight for the Reds

818
00:52:47,635 --> 00:52:52,075
Speaker 1: and was considered the young flame throwing ace, the star

819
00:52:52,395 --> 00:52:58,115
Speaker 1: young pitcher, the teenaged phenom. Meanwhile, in the minor leagues

820
00:52:58,155 --> 00:53:00,035
Speaker 1: was a pitcher who had appeared briefly for the New

821
00:53:00,075 --> 00:53:03,155
Speaker 1: York Mets the year before. His name was Nolan Ryan.

822
00:53:03,395 --> 00:53:06,835
Speaker 1: In fact, his name is Lynn Nolan Ryan, and Gary

823
00:53:06,875 --> 00:53:09,835
Speaker 1: Nolan's middle name was Lynn, so it was Gary, Lynn

824
00:53:09,955 --> 00:53:15,155
Speaker 1: Nolan and Lynn Nolan Ryan in the miners. Nolan Ryan,

825
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:17,555
Speaker 1: who had pitched once or twice for the Mets in

826
00:53:17,635 --> 00:53:20,835
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, he barely pitched it all in nineteen

827
00:53:20,875 --> 00:53:23,315
Speaker 1: sixty seven. The Mets brought him up in September just

828
00:53:23,355 --> 00:53:26,395
Speaker 1: to look around and to see what was going on

829
00:53:26,435 --> 00:53:30,355
Speaker 1: and to have some tutelage from veteran pitchers and to

830
00:53:30,355 --> 00:53:33,035
Speaker 1: get use again to the major leagues. He was twenty

831
00:53:33,115 --> 00:53:35,995
Speaker 1: years old. In nineteen sixty eight, he suffered a series

832
00:53:36,035 --> 00:53:38,595
Speaker 1: of blisters on his fingers, so he couldn't pitch because

833
00:53:38,595 --> 00:53:41,515
Speaker 1: his hand hurt too much and there'd be blood during

834
00:53:41,555 --> 00:53:44,675
Speaker 1: the game. They had him walking around with his fingers

835
00:53:44,715 --> 00:53:47,595
Speaker 1: in cups of tea during the season, and then they

836
00:53:47,595 --> 00:53:50,315
Speaker 1: switched it to Picklebrian. He wound up throwing only one

837
00:53:50,395 --> 00:53:53,155
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty four innings in nineteen sixty eight only

838
00:53:53,195 --> 00:53:56,035
Speaker 1: eighty nine in nineteen sixty nine. In fact, Nolan Ryan

839
00:53:56,115 --> 00:53:59,155
Speaker 1: was twenty five years old before he pitched as many

840
00:53:59,675 --> 00:54:03,115
Speaker 1: innings in one season as Gary Nolan had at the

841
00:54:03,115 --> 00:54:07,275
Speaker 1: age of eighteen. So Gary Nolan was abusing his arm

842
00:54:07,355 --> 00:54:11,835
Speaker 1: with this overhand throwing and not so good mechanical delivery

843
00:54:11,915 --> 00:54:14,795
Speaker 1: at eighteen and Nolan Ryan didn't get to that workload

844
00:54:14,995 --> 00:54:18,315
Speaker 1: until he was twenty five. Nolan Ryan pitched until he

845
00:54:18,355 --> 00:54:22,875
Speaker 1: was forty six years old. Nolan Gary Nolan shoulder and

846
00:54:22,995 --> 00:54:26,955
Speaker 1: elbow woes the next year, in nineteen sixty eight, they

847
00:54:27,035 --> 00:54:30,355
Speaker 1: left him in Florida. When the season worked out or began,

848
00:54:30,675 --> 00:54:33,235
Speaker 1: they left him in Florida so he could work out

849
00:54:33,555 --> 00:54:38,835
Speaker 1: under the warm sun. Today you get Tommy John surgery

850
00:54:39,235 --> 00:54:43,475
Speaker 1: or other forms of rehabilitative surgery or just rehabilitation on

851
00:54:43,675 --> 00:54:46,875
Speaker 1: an injured shoulder that does not require surgery or elbow.

852
00:54:48,115 --> 00:54:50,755
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, the state of the solution for

853
00:54:50,835 --> 00:54:54,035
Speaker 1: Gary Nolan was, don't send him to Cincinnati where it's cold,

854
00:54:54,515 --> 00:54:58,675
Speaker 1: have him warm up in Florida for a while. Well,

855
00:54:59,835 --> 00:55:03,275
Speaker 1: it was two full seasons before he was able to

856
00:55:03,315 --> 00:55:07,435
Speaker 1: take his turn regularly the Red's rotation again in nineteen seventy.

857
00:55:07,555 --> 00:55:10,155
Speaker 1: He pitched for three years. He was great, not quite

858
00:55:10,195 --> 00:55:12,275
Speaker 1: the pitcher he was before, and he had a lot

859
00:55:12,315 --> 00:55:16,035
Speaker 1: of pain. Then he missed almost all of nineteen seventy three,

860
00:55:16,075 --> 00:55:18,715
Speaker 1: when he couldn't lift his arm over his head, and

861
00:55:18,915 --> 00:55:21,395
Speaker 1: all of nineteen seventy four he came back again. He

862
00:55:21,435 --> 00:55:25,275
Speaker 1: had two more great years. He hurt that arm or

863
00:55:25,315 --> 00:55:28,555
Speaker 1: maybe the shoulder again in nineteen seventy seven at the

864
00:55:28,555 --> 00:55:30,875
Speaker 1: age of twenty nine, and he never pitched in Major

865
00:55:30,955 --> 00:55:35,235
Speaker 1: League Baseball again. He was done at twenty nine. The

866
00:55:35,275 --> 00:55:37,515
Speaker 1: workload was too much and there was nothing to do

867
00:55:37,635 --> 00:55:41,915
Speaker 1: for him. Even though Tommy John surgery had been successfully

868
00:55:41,995 --> 00:55:45,075
Speaker 1: implemented three years earlier, they didn't know what was wrong

869
00:55:45,115 --> 00:55:47,515
Speaker 1: with him. I think it was the shoulder. It was

870
00:55:47,595 --> 00:55:51,275
Speaker 1: put down, as all injuries to pitchers were in those days,

871
00:55:51,315 --> 00:55:55,355
Speaker 1: to a sore arm, you were encouraged to go to

872
00:55:55,395 --> 00:55:58,715
Speaker 1: Florida and keep pitching through the pain and hopefully things

873
00:55:58,715 --> 00:56:02,595
Speaker 1: would get better. Remarkably, in many cases things either got

874
00:56:02,635 --> 00:56:05,835
Speaker 1: better or a pitcher's pain tolerance grew so much that

875
00:56:05,875 --> 00:56:08,235
Speaker 1: they were able to pitch through it. But usually by

876
00:56:08,235 --> 00:56:11,315
Speaker 1: the time of twenty nine you were done, and Gary

877
00:56:11,355 --> 00:56:14,475
Speaker 1: Nolan was done. The third pitcher from my youth was

878
00:56:14,515 --> 00:56:17,715
Speaker 1: named tom sever in nineteen sixty seven. He was twenty two.

879
00:56:18,235 --> 00:56:21,115
Speaker 1: He had a different kind of pitching delivery than everybody else.

880
00:56:21,635 --> 00:56:27,235
Speaker 1: He used basically his ass. He pitched with his lower body,

881
00:56:27,235 --> 00:56:31,555
Speaker 1: which was remarkably sturdy. Let's put it that way, sturdy.

882
00:56:31,955 --> 00:56:34,315
Speaker 1: He was low to the ground as he released the ball,

883
00:56:34,475 --> 00:56:37,275
Speaker 1: and he had what was called a drop and drive delivery,

884
00:56:37,635 --> 00:56:41,035
Speaker 1: originated by Christy Mathewson, the great Giants pitcher of the

885
00:56:41,115 --> 00:56:45,315
Speaker 1: very early twentieth century, perfected by Bob Feller, and then

886
00:56:45,875 --> 00:56:49,235
Speaker 1: re perfected by sever. Sever pitched two hundred and fifty

887
00:56:49,275 --> 00:56:52,275
Speaker 1: one innings in nineteen sixty seven. He won sixteen games,

888
00:56:52,275 --> 00:56:53,835
Speaker 1: He was Rookie of the Year, and he threw at

889
00:56:53,875 --> 00:56:56,195
Speaker 1: least two hundred and fifteen innings every year until he

890
00:56:56,315 --> 00:56:59,755
Speaker 1: was thirty five. He never had a serious arm injury,

891
00:57:00,315 --> 00:57:04,395
Speaker 1: he had buttocks injuries, His delivery was perfect, and he

892
00:57:04,475 --> 00:57:08,115
Speaker 1: won was something of a physical oddity. And what was

893
00:57:08,195 --> 00:57:11,755
Speaker 1: the whole outcome of this? What lesson did Tom Sever

894
00:57:11,915 --> 00:57:16,955
Speaker 1: take away from his success and his longevity, And he

895
00:57:16,995 --> 00:57:19,315
Speaker 1: pitched until nineteen eighty six and tried to come back

896
00:57:19,315 --> 00:57:24,235
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty seven, What was his takeaway that he

897
00:57:24,395 --> 00:57:27,115
Speaker 1: and the other great pictures of his era who lasted

898
00:57:28,235 --> 00:57:31,635
Speaker 1: simply prepared better than the others and were more diligent.

899
00:57:31,995 --> 00:57:34,675
Speaker 1: And Gary Nolan just did something wrong in the way

900
00:57:34,715 --> 00:57:39,835
Speaker 1: he pitched, that it wasn't physical, that it wasn't overhand pitching.

901
00:57:40,275 --> 00:57:44,235
Speaker 1: That the freaks in this equation were not Tom Severer

902
00:57:44,275 --> 00:57:47,355
Speaker 1: and Ferguson Jenkins and other pitchers of the time, but

903
00:57:47,395 --> 00:57:50,315
Speaker 1: the freaks were the guys who didn't succeed. And I

904
00:57:50,395 --> 00:57:52,875
Speaker 1: took the list of the other pitchers to Tom Seber

905
00:57:53,075 --> 00:57:55,235
Speaker 1: from the nineteen sixty seven Mets, the team with which

906
00:57:55,235 --> 00:57:57,995
Speaker 1: he broke in, and I asked them. I asked him

907
00:57:57,995 --> 00:58:00,835
Speaker 1: about each of them and what happened, and he remembered

908
00:58:00,875 --> 00:58:04,315
Speaker 1: many of them. And I said, what about Bob Hendley, Oh, yeah,

909
00:58:04,315 --> 00:58:06,955
Speaker 1: I had arm? He was twenty eight in nineteen sixty seven.

910
00:58:07,115 --> 00:58:09,195
Speaker 1: Dick Selma, Oh he was. It was the harder. I

911
00:58:09,315 --> 00:58:11,715
Speaker 1: threw heart, much harder than I did. What happened to him?

912
00:58:12,035 --> 00:58:14,035
Speaker 1: Sore arm? He pitched through it. He lasted a while,

913
00:58:14,075 --> 00:58:15,995
Speaker 1: but he had a sore arm. How about how about

914
00:58:15,995 --> 00:58:18,915
Speaker 1: Bill Denahey, you're on his rookie card. It's the Bill

915
00:58:18,915 --> 00:58:22,555
Speaker 1: Denihey rookie card featuring Tom sever on the side there. Yeah, Well,

916
00:58:22,595 --> 00:58:25,635
Speaker 1: he threw harder than I did too. What happened to him?

917
00:58:25,915 --> 00:58:29,275
Speaker 1: Sore arm? Dennis Bennett, what happened to him, sore arm.

918
00:58:29,355 --> 00:58:32,435
Speaker 1: After a car crash, he hurt his leg and he

919
00:58:32,475 --> 00:58:36,235
Speaker 1: came back and he was pitching different less roar, number

920
00:58:36,435 --> 00:58:40,075
Speaker 1: two pick in the draft one year. Yeah, sore arm.

921
00:58:41,075 --> 00:58:43,555
Speaker 1: Don Shaw, their left handed relief pitcher, was twenty three

922
00:58:43,555 --> 00:58:46,235
Speaker 1: in nineteen zo you had a sore arm. How about

923
00:58:46,315 --> 00:58:48,955
Speaker 1: Chuck Aestrada, great pitcher of the Baltimore Orioles of the

924
00:58:48,995 --> 00:58:51,475
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. What happened to him? Oh, he opened the

925
00:58:51,475 --> 00:58:55,475
Speaker 1: season with us, then his sore arm came back. About

926
00:58:55,555 --> 00:58:57,595
Speaker 1: Nick will Height, the left hander who they got from

927
00:58:57,595 --> 00:59:01,795
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Oh, yeah, sore arm. Billy Winn traded to

928
00:59:01,835 --> 00:59:04,195
Speaker 1: the White Sox for Tommy ag that winter. Oh, I

929
00:59:04,195 --> 00:59:09,355
Speaker 1: think he had a sore arm. Alan Schmels, great pitcher, overhand,

930
00:59:09,395 --> 00:59:12,555
Speaker 1: fastball pitcher from California. Oh man, he was a killer.

931
00:59:12,595 --> 00:59:14,755
Speaker 1: I used to pitch against him in the semi pro

932
00:59:14,875 --> 00:59:16,555
Speaker 1: leagues and he was a boy. Could he throw that

933
00:59:16,595 --> 00:59:19,115
Speaker 1: ball hard? Is what happened to him. Got into a

934
00:59:19,115 --> 00:59:21,155
Speaker 1: couple of games, then he had a sore arm. Is

935
00:59:21,195 --> 00:59:25,115
Speaker 1: it Jerry Hinsley sore arm? Ralph Terry who finished up

936
00:59:25,235 --> 00:59:27,795
Speaker 1: was his last season, Well, yeah, he had it. Was

937
00:59:27,835 --> 00:59:29,315
Speaker 1: a great pitcher with the Yankees. Then he had a

938
00:59:29,315 --> 00:59:32,355
Speaker 1: sore arm. How old was Ralph Terry when he finished

939
00:59:32,395 --> 00:59:37,355
Speaker 1: up with you guys, I don't know. It's thirty one.

940
00:59:38,395 --> 00:59:40,595
Speaker 1: Everybody else got sore arms. I said, how about some

941
00:59:40,595 --> 00:59:42,875
Speaker 1: of the other great Mets pitchers of the nineteen sixties,

942
00:59:43,035 --> 00:59:46,075
Speaker 1: the great pitching prospect Dennis Muskgraves, and I never heard

943
00:59:46,075 --> 00:59:48,435
Speaker 1: of him. Said he got a bigger signing bonus than

944
00:59:48,475 --> 00:59:51,275
Speaker 1: you did. Came up through a couple of great games

945
00:59:51,275 --> 00:59:54,355
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five, and then at Sieber now said

946
00:59:54,755 --> 00:59:58,275
Speaker 1: sore arm. I went, yeah, Dick Rustick threw a shutout

947
00:59:58,275 --> 01:00:00,395
Speaker 1: in his first game, I think maybe even his first

948
01:00:00,435 --> 01:00:08,315
Speaker 1: two games sore arm. The surgery that saved the equivalent

949
01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:11,555
Speaker 1: of all of those guys is Tommy John surgery and

950
01:00:11,675 --> 01:00:14,595
Speaker 1: the various different surgeries done on other parts of the

951
01:00:14,715 --> 01:00:19,795
Speaker 1: arm and shoulder. The surgery became routine once the MRI

952
01:00:19,995 --> 01:00:22,195
Speaker 1: replaced the X ray as the only visuals of the

953
01:00:22,195 --> 01:00:24,795
Speaker 1: interior of the body. It is the solution. It is

954
01:00:24,835 --> 01:00:28,195
Speaker 1: not the problem. Previously, if a pitcher had a sore arm,

955
01:00:28,235 --> 01:00:31,075
Speaker 1: you just sent him someplace warm and told them to

956
01:00:31,075 --> 01:00:35,635
Speaker 1: pitch through the pain. Steve Barber at age twenty six.

957
01:00:35,675 --> 01:00:39,355
Speaker 1: Steve Barber of the Baltimore Orioles was so good that

958
01:00:39,515 --> 01:00:41,155
Speaker 1: every time he took them out and they said he's

959
01:00:41,195 --> 01:00:43,075
Speaker 1: going to throw a no hitter. One day he threw

960
01:00:43,115 --> 01:00:45,595
Speaker 1: a no hitter, but he was so wild that he

961
01:00:45,715 --> 01:00:48,995
Speaker 1: lost the game. He gave up runs without giving up

962
01:00:49,035 --> 01:00:51,355
Speaker 1: a hit twenty six. It looked like he was on

963
01:00:51,395 --> 01:00:53,235
Speaker 1: his way to the Hall of Fame. Sore arm finished

964
01:00:53,275 --> 01:00:58,115
Speaker 1: for the season nineteen sixty six. Starting in nineteen sixty seven,

965
01:00:58,475 --> 01:01:01,035
Speaker 1: the future Hall of Famer Steve Barber pitched for seven

966
01:01:01,075 --> 01:01:04,515
Speaker 1: teams in the next eight years, kept getting traded or released.

967
01:01:05,355 --> 01:01:10,555
Speaker 1: Pitchers were fungible. The investment in them was negligible. We

968
01:01:10,635 --> 01:01:14,395
Speaker 1: believe baseball historians do that. The most money Steve Barber

969
01:01:14,435 --> 01:01:17,395
Speaker 1: was ever paid in the season was thirty seven five

970
01:01:17,475 --> 01:01:20,235
Speaker 1: hundred dollars by the Yankees in nineteen sixty eight. By

971
01:01:20,235 --> 01:01:22,995
Speaker 1: the way, that was an awful lot of money for

972
01:01:23,075 --> 01:01:26,555
Speaker 1: a Major League Baseball player, particularly a pitcher in nineteen

973
01:01:26,595 --> 01:01:29,835
Speaker 1: sixty eight. And what would happen if if you broke

974
01:01:29,915 --> 01:01:33,315
Speaker 1: Steve Barber and there was no surgery to repair him, Well,

975
01:01:33,955 --> 01:01:37,035
Speaker 1: you were out thirty seven million dollars. That was where

976
01:01:37,075 --> 01:01:40,715
Speaker 1: the Yankees, who were owned then by the CBS television network.

977
01:01:42,275 --> 01:01:45,675
Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler of the Philadelphia Phillies is paid forty two

978
01:01:45,755 --> 01:01:48,555
Speaker 1: million dollars a year to pitch. He's not pitching at

979
01:01:48,555 --> 01:01:52,595
Speaker 1: the moment either, and he even avoided Tommy John surgery,

980
01:01:52,635 --> 01:01:56,595
Speaker 1: which he's already had this time. It's thoracic outlet surgery

981
01:01:56,995 --> 01:02:02,275
Speaker 1: to correct the problem in his upper extremities, meaning his

982
01:02:02,435 --> 01:02:07,635
Speaker 1: arm and his shoulder. Thoracic outlet surgery to correct blood clots.

983
01:02:10,635 --> 01:02:12,355
Speaker 1: He might not even be able to pitch next year.

984
01:02:12,355 --> 01:02:15,075
Speaker 1: It's a very very serious thing. We don't have Tommy

985
01:02:15,155 --> 01:02:20,235
Speaker 1: John surgery for a thoracic outlet syndrome. There's surgery, but

986
01:02:20,355 --> 01:02:24,995
Speaker 1: who knows how well he'll recover. You don't throw out

987
01:02:25,035 --> 01:02:28,075
Speaker 1: forty two million dollars, Maybe you throw out thirty seven

988
01:02:28,475 --> 01:02:31,275
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars or let it turn into an asset

989
01:02:31,355 --> 01:02:34,595
Speaker 1: worth half that. But that's why there's Tommy John surgery,

990
01:02:34,795 --> 01:02:38,955
Speaker 1: and that's why baseball will always have pitchers who get

991
01:02:38,955 --> 01:02:42,355
Speaker 1: injured from throwing too hard or curving the ball too much.

992
01:02:45,275 --> 01:02:47,475
Speaker 1: But if you want to eliminate the twenty to forty

993
01:02:47,515 --> 01:02:49,595
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery is a year. As I said, I

994
01:02:49,675 --> 01:02:53,955
Speaker 1: have the solution. It's very simple. It's two rules changes,

995
01:02:54,395 --> 01:03:00,155
Speaker 1: just two. They'll never do it. The new rules are one.

996
01:03:00,835 --> 01:03:03,835
Speaker 1: Any pitch that registers one hundred miles an hour on

997
01:03:03,915 --> 01:03:07,475
Speaker 1: the radar gun is a ball. I don't care what

998
01:03:07,515 --> 01:03:10,475
Speaker 1: it does. I don't care what the batter did with it.

999
01:03:10,475 --> 01:03:14,515
Speaker 1: It's a ball. If you throw three in a game,

1000
01:03:15,235 --> 01:03:18,755
Speaker 1: you're ejected from the game. If you throw in triple

1001
01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:21,835
Speaker 1: digits three times in one game, you're thrown out of

1002
01:03:21,835 --> 01:03:24,155
Speaker 1: the game. None of this You have to pitch six

1003
01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:27,075
Speaker 1: Who will teach pitchers how to regulate their own and

1004
01:03:27,115 --> 01:03:29,955
Speaker 1: to stretch out and to pitch only as the old

1005
01:03:29,955 --> 01:03:33,195
Speaker 1: fashioned pitchers did to save something for the last inning.

1006
01:03:33,355 --> 01:03:36,675
Speaker 1: Don't throw as hard as you can every time. No, no, no.

1007
01:03:36,875 --> 01:03:40,035
Speaker 1: They won't do it voluntarily. They know it's costing them

1008
01:03:40,075 --> 01:03:44,475
Speaker 1: success and money and fame. All these things are dependent

1009
01:03:44,595 --> 01:03:46,675
Speaker 1: on throwing the ball as hard as they can, with

1010
01:03:46,755 --> 01:03:50,715
Speaker 1: as much energy and exertion as they possibly can manage,

1011
01:03:50,795 --> 01:03:56,435
Speaker 1: until their arm falls off, which it does well. Now,

1012
01:03:56,435 --> 01:03:58,235
Speaker 1: of course, what happens if all the good pitchers are

1013
01:03:58,235 --> 01:04:00,395
Speaker 1: getting thrown out for throwing the ball one hundred miles

1014
01:04:00,435 --> 01:04:03,115
Speaker 1: an hour, which you're paying them to do. Well, you

1015
01:04:03,195 --> 01:04:06,715
Speaker 1: balance it out, ball hit one hundred miles an hour

1016
01:04:06,715 --> 01:04:10,435
Speaker 1: by a batter their exit v LO, their exit velocity,

1017
01:04:10,875 --> 01:04:14,475
Speaker 1: that's automatically an out. So you're going to encourage hitters

1018
01:04:14,515 --> 01:04:17,155
Speaker 1: then to just meet the ball and try to dunk

1019
01:04:17,195 --> 01:04:20,075
Speaker 1: one over the second baseman's head for a single rather

1020
01:04:20,155 --> 01:04:24,235
Speaker 1: than trying to hit seventy home runs in a season. Now,

1021
01:04:24,275 --> 01:04:27,955
Speaker 1: there's one thing these two rules have in common. They're stupid.

1022
01:04:28,875 --> 01:04:32,595
Speaker 1: They would destroy the game that I don't particularly enjoy

1023
01:04:32,635 --> 01:04:35,595
Speaker 1: that much anymore, but the fans love and pay exorbitant

1024
01:04:35,595 --> 01:04:39,075
Speaker 1: ticket prices to go see and watch on TV, although

1025
01:04:39,475 --> 01:04:42,675
Speaker 1: realistically that about a tenth of them are watching the

1026
01:04:42,715 --> 01:04:46,075
Speaker 1: big games as many is watched in New Year nineteen eighty.

1027
01:04:46,115 --> 01:04:49,715
Speaker 1: For some reason, the postseason in baseball is not interesting

1028
01:04:49,755 --> 01:04:52,835
Speaker 1: to almost anybody anymore unless it's their team involved. But

1029
01:04:52,915 --> 01:04:55,715
Speaker 1: that's a different subject. It is related to this whole

1030
01:04:55,715 --> 01:04:57,915
Speaker 1: subject of how the pitcher's throw and how the hitters hit.

1031
01:04:58,275 --> 01:05:00,195
Speaker 1: But I'll leave it for another time because that will

1032
01:05:00,195 --> 01:05:02,755
Speaker 1: take another forty five minutes of your time. And then

1033
01:05:02,795 --> 01:05:05,475
Speaker 1: I'll say, and that's my preface, Let me go into

1034
01:05:05,595 --> 01:05:10,115
Speaker 1: further depth. But the idea of punishing a pitcher for

1035
01:05:10,195 --> 01:05:14,395
Speaker 1: throwing hard is not going to work. It didn't work

1036
01:05:14,435 --> 01:05:18,235
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, it didn't work in eighteen ninety three,

1037
01:05:19,435 --> 01:05:22,755
Speaker 1: it didn't work in eighteen seventy. That's why they had

1038
01:05:22,795 --> 01:05:25,875
Speaker 1: to make overhand pitching legal, because the pitchers knew what

1039
01:05:25,955 --> 01:05:28,115
Speaker 1: worked and what didn't. The pitchers knew what got the

1040
01:05:28,195 --> 01:05:32,635
Speaker 1: hitters out, and it wasn't just finesse yes. You could

1041
01:05:32,715 --> 01:05:38,155
Speaker 1: be successful by mixing up fast fastballs and fastballs that

1042
01:05:38,235 --> 01:05:44,315
Speaker 1: only looked fast, off speed pitches, curveballs, a variety of

1043
01:05:44,355 --> 01:05:49,075
Speaker 1: the mental game, the Greg Maddocks game. You know why

1044
01:05:49,075 --> 01:05:51,075
Speaker 1: it's called the Greg Maddox game because he was the

1045
01:05:51,075 --> 01:05:53,755
Speaker 1: only one who succeeded at it in the last fifty years.

1046
01:05:54,395 --> 01:06:00,075
Speaker 1: It's Greg Maddox. He was doing something totally different Tommy

1047
01:06:00,155 --> 01:06:04,155
Speaker 1: John surgery, which baseball is trying to eliminate and would

1048
01:06:04,195 --> 01:06:06,715
Speaker 1: have to do. You literally would have to do something

1049
01:06:06,755 --> 01:06:10,355
Speaker 1: stupid like I just suggested, call every pitch over one

1050
01:06:10,395 --> 01:06:14,475
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour a ball or worse yet, a walk. Ejecked.

1051
01:06:14,475 --> 01:06:17,675
Speaker 1: Pitchers who throw one hundred miles an hour punish hitters

1052
01:06:17,675 --> 01:06:19,515
Speaker 1: who hit the ball more than one hundred miles an hour,

1053
01:06:19,755 --> 01:06:22,955
Speaker 1: stupid things, exactly the opposite of what the fans want

1054
01:06:22,995 --> 01:06:31,475
Speaker 1: to see. Baseball could do that, or it could just say, yeah,

1055
01:06:32,275 --> 01:06:35,915
Speaker 1: these surgeries are, in fact a gift from the gods.

1056
01:06:37,395 --> 01:06:42,195
Speaker 1: We're Randy Rodriguez turns twenty six. The poor guy, He's

1057
01:06:42,235 --> 01:06:46,835
Speaker 1: going to miss at least a year, maybe the year

1058
01:06:47,835 --> 01:06:51,275
Speaker 1: chronologically the best year of his career. It's going to

1059
01:06:51,275 --> 01:06:54,715
Speaker 1: be spent recovering from surgery and having to watch his

1060
01:06:54,795 --> 01:07:01,355
Speaker 1: team go on without him, and then in twenty twenty

1061
01:07:01,395 --> 01:07:09,515
Speaker 1: seven he'll be good as new. What would Steve Barber

1062
01:07:09,555 --> 01:07:14,035
Speaker 1: had given for that? What would Gary Nolan have given

1063
01:07:14,075 --> 01:07:26,875
Speaker 1: for that? And they want to eliminate Tommy John surgery.

1064
01:07:34,115 --> 01:07:36,235
Speaker 1: I've done all the damage I can do here. No

1065
01:07:36,475 --> 01:07:40,595
Speaker 1: surgery will help you now. Thank you for listening. Most

1066
01:07:40,595 --> 01:07:43,195
Speaker 1: of our Countdown music was arranged, produced, and performed by

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Speaker 1: Brian Ray and John Phillip Schanel. Our musical Directors of

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Speaker 1: Countdown was produced by Tko Brothers. Mister Ray was on

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Speaker 1: the guitars, bass and drums. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration and keyboards.

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Speaker 1: Our satirical and fifthy musical comments are by the best

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Speaker 1: baseball stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust. The Olberman theme from

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Speaker 1: ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis Curtesy of ESPN, Inc.

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Speaker 1: Is the sports music you've just heard twenty odd minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Other music arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed.

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Speaker 1: And my announcer today was my late friend and hero,

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Speaker 1: George Carlin. Everything else was, as always my fault. That's

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Speaker 1: countdown for today, Day two hundred and twenty five of

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Speaker 1: America held hostage again and just and forty seven days

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Speaker 1: until the scheduled end of his lane duck lame brained

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Speaker 1: term unless he is removed sooner by MAGA or Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein or the pavement on his hand, or because the

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Speaker 1: body double doesn't show up for work tomorrow. The next

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Speaker 1: scheduled countdown is Thursday. Until then, I'm Keith Olberman. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, good night, and good luck. What do you

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Speaker 1: think of that one, Stevie? Is that a good show?

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Speaker 1: Was that any good? Did you like the baseball part?

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Speaker 1: What do you think? You've had enough surgeries? Do you

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Speaker 1: need Tommy John surgery too? Well? You only have the

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Speaker 1: three bad legs. What I know. I went too long.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't add lib I'm much better when I pre

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Speaker 1: write everything. Me for notes is well, you better have

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Speaker 1: an hour. You're right, and it's that I could be

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Speaker 1: talking to you guys. What Countdown with Keith Olderman is

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