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Speaker 3: is brock Bowers. That's pretty much consensus. Yeah, rank ADP

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Speaker 3: R rank. I think I have heard some people concerned

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Speaker 3: Sean that, and this is hilarious because I mean we

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Speaker 3: were there last year and we kind of talked ourselves

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Speaker 3: even know, but I do want to get your opinion

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Speaker 3: on it. Brock Powers in the preseason not playing as

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Speaker 3: much as I guess he did last season Michael Mayer

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Speaker 3: more of the in line tight end. But I think

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Speaker 3: that's just more of a function of preseason than anything.

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Speaker 2: Mayor.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they know or knew what they were

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Speaker 3: going to do with him last year, you know, new

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Speaker 3: coaching staff and whatnot. But any thoughts on that before

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Speaker 3: we talk about Bowers more generally.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, I wouldn't look into that too much. I

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Speaker 2: think that's more in line with what you said. It's

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Speaker 2: just preseason. The last thing they want to do in

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Speaker 2: a couple of plays here or there. I wouldn't over

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and twelve catches last year, just under twelve hundred

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Speaker 1: So this year you got Gino Smith.

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Speaker 3: In that quarterback for your guy, Aidan O'Connell and some

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Speaker 1: He's been in the college ranks for a minute.

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Speaker 3: So my question is, you know, kind of said, hey,

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Speaker 3: would you take brock Bauers, just in terms of where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now I have him ranked. So I

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Speaker 2: He should be the first tight end off the board.

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Speaker 2: I think George Kittle is the best value out of

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Speaker 2: Just over the past few seasons, you know, we've seen

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Speaker 2: And you know, back to what I said, brock Bowers

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Speaker 3: I don't think George Kittle is catching a hundred balls.

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Speaker 1: He's just not never been that guy.

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Speaker 3: And then McBride has this threat of Marvin Harris really

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Speaker 3: which I think then makes McBride less likely to be

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Speaker 3: then Besh I think has already been a disappointment in camp.

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Speaker 3: To compete for the number two row. He's down there

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Speaker 3: I don't view him as a tight end. I think

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Speaker 1: I think he's a slot receiver, so he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: afformation like that, Bowers would either be split out line

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Speaker 1: I get the hype.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a little bit different for me to

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Speaker 3: me from Sam Laporta in that I know Laporter took

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Speaker 3: Laporter didn't catch. He wasn't one hundred and twelve catch receiver.

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Speaker 1: Bowers he's still the number one target.

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Speaker 3: I think far and away Genti is not as much

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Speaker 3: So I just think he's a I'm just treating him

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Speaker 3: top three tier. So let's talk about McBride, a hundred

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Speaker 3: So how are you kind of grading him given that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I think McBride's close to Bowers. I

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Speaker 2: would say there's like a fifty five percent chance Rock

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Speaker 2: he had eight end zone targets last year, which is

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Speaker 2: maybe it's a Kyler Murray problem.

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Speaker 1: did there, Kyle short ass can't see I get it.

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Speaker 2: brock Purty. So you know, I'm projecting McBride and closer

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Speaker 3: And you know he's I mentioned one hundred catches. He

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Speaker 3: So it just seems to me that there he's not

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Speaker 3: danger zone because he's more of an inline guy. But

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00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: he's just so good that I'm not worried about him,

437
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm pretty worried about report. I don't want

438
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: to draft him anywhere hear that ADP, even though he

439
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: does representative discount. But that's kind of true of this

440
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: whole entire tier. So it's not just a report of

441
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: thing for me.

442
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: And you know, yao, who has T J. Hockinson tight

443
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: end five?

444
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: And it starts to become a point where it's like

445
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: which which tight end that I'm worried about is is

446
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 3: going to be fifth?

447
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: And which titand I'm not worried about is gonna be six?

448
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: You know, because there's there's kind of these veterans that

449
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 3: volume concerns, and even with these guys that like Hackinson,

450
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: for example, he's a guy that's more of a glorified

451
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: slot receiver.

452
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: He's turned into one in Minnesota's offense.

453
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 3: But for some that actually hurt him in Minnesota's offense,

454
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 3: it seems like so, uh, it's kind of the same question,

455
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: you know, Uh, six point one six point two targets

456
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: last year, four point one catches. That was the lowest

457
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 3: since his rookie it's coming off injury. But then Josh, however,

458
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: signed to a big deal, and he's a more of

459
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: an inline guy, so that would seem to be good

460
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: for Hockinson. Uh, what you know, is he closer? I

461
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: guess the question if he closer to the tight end

462
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: one or the tight end ten for Hackinson, because that's

463
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 3: the question here. Do these guys in this middle tire

464
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: have enough upside that we take a stab at all?

465
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: Or do we just keep stacking up on backs and receivers.

466
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say he's definitely closer to tight end

467
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 2: ten than he is tight end one. And maybe this

468
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 2: is the frozen pond here at tight end, because I agree.

469
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: It's like their ranks aren't bad, like I have Hawkinson six,

470
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,239
Speaker 2: to have Kelsey and Andrews right there, but it's like

471
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: when you draft a tight end in this range, you're

472
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: stuck with them the whole year. You're not gonna drop TJ. Hockinson.

473
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: I don't advise that, but you might miss out on

474
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: this year's John new Smith. They're brock Bauers where if

475
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: you like punt tight end, you're the last player in

476
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: your league to draft tight end, you're gonna be more

477
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: willing to drop that guy and pick up the guy

478
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: at the hot start and better chances of getting the

479
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: league winner. So I think when you draft tight ends

480
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 2: in this range, you just have to be careful because

481
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 2: you're kind of locking herself into this guy. And I

482
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: think TJ is gonna have like a high floor, but yeah,

483
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has tight end one overall

484
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: upside in this offense. As long as Justin Jefferson's healthy,

485
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: now he should have a hot start with you know,

486
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison missing the first three games, so you know,

487
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna start off good. But yeah, he's

488
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: the kind of tight end where I think he just

489
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: offers more of a high floor, which you know, you

490
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: can argue is a plus when it comes to the

491
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: tight end position, but I definitely think he's closer to

492
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: tight end ten. This This tier is all separated by

493
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: like two points for me, So in those situations, I

494
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: kind of just rather get the guy that falls last

495
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: out of the tier, which I guess would be Mark Andrews.

496
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: You can get Mark Andrews, you know, typically later than

497
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: all these guys, so I'm not usually spending up to

498
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: get TJ. Hockinson, And yeah, I have him as my

499
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: tight end six. I think was a fair price for him.

500
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: This is about where he goes. But he's not a

501
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: guy I'm like planning my draft around.

502
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm doing my final updates now that the

503
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, the important part of the preseason is basically done,

504
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: and I'm scared because I might even have Hockinson his

505
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: highest fourth depending on what, like what I see with Laporta.

506
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: I'm I said, I'm a little worried about him too.

507
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not it's not pretty.

508
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 3: I don't there's nothing really great I could say about

509
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: Hockinson except maybe the Addison absence in the Nailer. Now

510
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 3: he's banged up as well, maybe that just catapults him.

511
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: But it almost seems like, you know, I always get

512
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: worried when a guy, you know, he's had multiple injury

513
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: and his injuries in his career, and then he has

514
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: he's coming off a year where he was hurt, and

515
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: it seems like, Okay, we're resigning Oliver, We're gonna make

516
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: more of like this, you know, two tight end looks,

517
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: but that you know, it's to like save some of

518
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: the physicality, maybe from from Hockinson having a box. So

519
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: I don't know how that's gonna kind of play out

520
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: like it could lead to him being closer to tight

521
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: end one than the tight end, but the floor is

522
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 3: still there, so I don't. I probably hate him a

523
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: little less than the other guys you mentioned, to be honest,

524
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: just because we have seen Hawkinson be in Kevin O'Connell's offense,

525
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: you know, six to seven catch per game guy, and

526
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: I think right now we're kind of we're projecting McCarthy

527
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: very conservatively, you know. I think you and I both

528
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: talked about how we have him about twenty plus yards

529
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 3: per game under what they were doing last year with

530
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: all their guys. So I think there's enough room for

531
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: growth with a guy like Hawkinson, especially if he kind

532
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: of reverts to what more of a Bowers is, you know,

533
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: alongside Mayor, or what McBride is alongside Raymond and Higgins,

534
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: where they run more you know, heavy personnel, and he's

535
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: just more of a glorified slot receiver, which is starting

536
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: to look more and more likely with the end the

537
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: wide receiver situation in Minnesota and Jefferson being hurt too,

538
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: I mean, or banged up and kind of coming back late,

539
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: that could pop up again.

540
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: So I probably feel better about Hawkins.

541
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Speaker 3: I think I do feel better about Hockinson's floor than

542
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: than La Porters, and Andrews and Kelsey who will talk

543
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: about next? So yeah, Andrews tight end six and now

544
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: who's ranked? So Kelsey has not in the top six.

545
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: There you mentioned you have all these guys pretty close.

546
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: The issue with Andrews because he talked about you know, okay,

547
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: you can just kind of wait, but people wait and

548
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: then they pull up Andrews and they look at the stats.

549
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 3: They're gonna see three point two catches per game and

550
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: under forty yards per game, all of his lowest since

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: his rookie year in twenty eighteen. He survived on the

552
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: eleven touchdowns, so his volume stats regress upward. Because also

553
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: remember I don't know if there's a better season that

554
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: Lamar could have either fast into football true, so that

555
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: should probably have that context would probably be there. But

556
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: given that, I mean this, he also was that career.

557
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: Well do you just buy the dip here and Andrews

558
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: or what?

559
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think he's gonna bounce back yardage wise,

560
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: although I mean there was that times last year he

561
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: was borlin dropable. Just given how much of rual Isaiah

562
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: likely had in this offense likely is dealing with the

563
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: ankle injury right so he he might not be ready

564
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: week one. This is another situation where I think Andrews

565
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: could start off hot, and even after that brutal start

566
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: last year, he was still tight end seven in points

567
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: per game again because of the touchdown upside, and I

568
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna score eleven touchdowns again this year.

569
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: I do expect regression. I'm projecting him closer to seven,

570
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: which I believe is officially my highest touchdown projection at

571
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: the position. So that's that's what he provides at the

572
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: end of the day, is the touchdown upside with the

573
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: yardists being icing on the cake. So I think he

574
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: could be sneaking in this range. And I think he's

575
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: typically tight end seven when it comes to ADP so

576
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: you can get him after Kelsey even so, yeah, I

577
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 2: think that this is the range where you know, if

578
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: he falls to me, I'd be willing to take him,

579
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: but again, he does scare me. I do agree. I

580
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: think Hacketson could have the highest floor of this group,

581
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: but you know, Andrews, he could easily repeat, you know,

582
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: a double digit touchdown season and bounce back in terms

583
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: of yardage and easily posts the top three season, So

584
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm okay with taking him when he does fall to

585
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: tight end seven ADP, even though that's exactly where I

586
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: have ranked right now.

587
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the fact that we've seen him be

588
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: this alpha dog in this offense.

589
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I do think that's day Flowers now. But we're looking

590
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: at a.

591
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: Situation where not only is like we start in a

592
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: season whet banged up, looks like DeAndre Hopkins is as well,

593
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: which not as big of an impact, but he was

594
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: expected to be or is expected to be the number three,

595
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: So that could be good for Andrews. I guess it

596
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: could be bad too if one of those other guys

597
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: like wester Walker is more of a threat to targets,

598
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: but I don't think that's gonna be the case because

599
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: those guys under don't really tend to do anything. So yeah,

600
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: Andrews is he just I don't feel good about the

601
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: about how much we saw him, uh take a step back, VOLUMEZ.

602
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: Last year it seemed like they were using him as

603
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: a blocker more than they ever had.

604
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: It was just odd.

605
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: So they're just this wide range of outcomes with him

606
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: as well, where I can't confidently predict what's gonna happen.

607
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I have him a port of Kelsey Hockinson, like all

608
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: very close together. I I just really don't trust any

609
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: of the the range of outcomes, like to say, Okay,

610
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: this is their this is their median, but it's I

611
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: just think it's a wide range. So that's That's about

612
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 3: as much as I'm doing on Andrews, like he is

613
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: my Titan five. But uh it's you know, there's there's

614
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: not it's all it's an upside point. I think this

615
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: tier is actually more valuable in best ball because you

616
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: know out like you're you're gonna be able to create

617
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: stacks with you know, and things like that, whereas in

618
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: a re draft league. To your point, I think the

619
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: value is at the fringes basketball. You kind of need

620
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: this tight end one tier a little more because, as

621
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: I said, I don't think there's as many guys like

622
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: way down the draft board, like those tight end two

623
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: to three types that are giving you like a lot

624
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: of certainty.

625
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: They're just all kind of in a glut together.

626
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: So or I think that this tier best ball for

627
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: me is where I'm getting the most of it. But

628
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: I don't really want anything to do with Andrews, and

629
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: he's my tight end five.

630
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: So that shows you up.

631
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, that's that's a good point. You're two

632
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: slots ahead of ADP. But again, you're just saying the

633
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: range of outcomes in this range is a little scary,

634
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: and you know he's he's going in like round nine.

635
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: You know who else goes in round nine, Zach Sharbone.

636
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: I will be drafting Zach Sharbona instead of Mark Andrews,

637
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: and every single one of my drafts, I think that's

638
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: the time to kind of take flyers on someone like

639
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: that at running back. And I mean we'll get to

640
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: these rookie tight ends later in this episode, but I

641
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: think that's the time to really if you miss it

642
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: on the top three, I'm willing to kind of wait

643
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: and and you know, draft outside of the top ten

644
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: here and take one of these rookies, because that's what

645
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: we're doing. We're shooting for upside and you know, trying

646
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: to get a couple more rounds in of like running back,

647
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: some wide receivers, maybe a quarterback. Whereas you know, all

648
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: these like Mark Andrews has a similar ceiling as you

649
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: know Colson Lovelin. So I'm willing to kind of wait

650
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: at tight end, since that's that's kind of been the

651
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Speaker 2: winning strategy these these past few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because even with the even when you're drafting,

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00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: you know, stud tight end it works out here and air.

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00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: But uh, there's you know, there's a tier of them,

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Speaker 3: like you said, and you could make a case against

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Speaker 3: each one of them in.

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Speaker 1: That tier, in the top tier.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, two two or three, two of three or

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Speaker 3: three of three could bust, you know, you might not

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Speaker 3: just and one.

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Speaker 1: Of three is just at least statistically likely too.

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00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's tough because most mostly just still

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Speaker 3: starting one tight end.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't really want anything to do with I have

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Speaker 3: Andrews six point three touchdown so about but.

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Speaker 2: Does he have the most? Who has the most projected

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Speaker 2: touchdowns in your projection?

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Speaker 1: Good question?

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Speaker 2: Uh are you still going with the Kelsey wheel? I'm

673
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Speaker 2: out there in the red zone save him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that's in his range of outcomes,

675
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: But I don't have that, like his defight. His medium

676
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: projection still lower because that's where it's been. No, Yeah,

677
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Speaker 3: Andrews is the highest.

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: So what I've noticed is tight end touchdown rate, as

680
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Speaker 3: you know, per catch, has taken a step back in

681
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Speaker 3: recent years, so that I'm kind of factoring that into again,

682
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Speaker 3: it just seems like the position very subtly is getting

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Speaker 3: a little bit more minimized in terms of teams are

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Speaker 3: almost exclusively going like you know, three four receiver usually

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Speaker 3: three receiver in passing situations and then the tight ends

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Speaker 3: are in you know, kind of the more uh you know,

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Speaker 3: uh neutral situations. So it's like a very it's a

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Speaker 3: very kind of predictable dichotomy here of what's going on

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Speaker 3: with with these guys. But yeah, the numbers, the efficiency

690
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: numbers have taken a step back, and you know, I

691
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Speaker 3: think the team's strategies are kind of shifting. So that's

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Speaker 3: why I agree I'm the rookies because they were drafted

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Speaker 3: where they were. That shows that they're involved there to

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Speaker 3: be involved, and they tend to be So I will

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Speaker 3: talk about those guys in a moment. But now that

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Speaker 3: we're halfway through the top twelve, let's do a segment

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Speaker 1: Fall as Sean.

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Speaker 3: So far, we've discussed Bowers, McBride, Kittle, Laporta, Hockinson, and Andrews.

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Speaker 3: And looking at these top six, who stands out as

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Speaker 3: the biggest riser this year and who is the biggest faller?

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Speaker 2: Well, without a doubt rabon, the biggest riser has to

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Speaker 2: be Brock Powers going from tight end eleven last year

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Speaker 2: to the consensus tight end one this year, So he's

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Speaker 2: the clear biggest riser this year. I would say the

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Speaker 2: biggest faller and this might have been a long time coming,

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Speaker 2: is Kyle Pitts going from tight end sixth last year.

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Speaker 2: We're all hang out on hope that might be the year.

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00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: He's all the way down to tight end eighteen right now,

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Speaker 2: which means it wouldn't shock me if this ends up

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Speaker 2: being his year now that he's outside the top twelve

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Speaker 2: by Kyle Pitts is for sure the biggest faller.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Sean Travis Kelcey down.

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Speaker 3: In a tight end seven in Yahoo's ranks, and I

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: definitely think it's fair. I have Kelsey, he's right there

756
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 3: with Hockinson. It's about a the tenth of a couple

757
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: points ahead of Hockinson, so he is my tight end six.

758
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: But again, just don't feel great about it because he's old.

759
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: He's old, and he's tailor swifted up. I mean, this

760
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: guy's like he's just kind of turning into a he's

761
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: growing up.

762
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Before our eyes.

763
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: But like that's not good in football, Like you don't

764
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: like you're already grown. You're a grown man when you

765
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: come into the league. Now, now he's just I don't know.

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00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna have a beer belly

767
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: at any point in the season. I don't know if

768
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 3: he's extra motivated. I don't know if that's gonna matter.

769
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's gonna matter, even if he

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00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: does have like a chip on shoulder. So you know,

771
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: we saw the numbers to Kwan last year. Now you

772
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: got and when I say to Kun, I mean receiving

773
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: yards from sixty six per game to fifty one per game,

774
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: yards per catch from ten point six to eight point five.

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Speaker 1: More receivers seem to be you know, available. I guess

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: I'll put it in Kansas City this year. What are

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Speaker 1: you doing with Kelsey?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean he is a professional podcaster now,

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: so the beer belly is coming. Hate to break it

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00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: to you, Kelsey, but that's coming. Oh yeah yeah, I mean.

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00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 1: We've seen it kind of come and go. I feel

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00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: like he.

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00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: Looks he looks better, he looks in better shape. This year, though,

784
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: I will say, like he leaned up a little bit, so, yeah,

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00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: it's gonna be his final season, right, So I think

786
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: he's going to try to ball out this year. But

787
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: like you said, the decline is you know, pretty stark,

788
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: and when you were referencing all the tight end numbers overall,

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Speaker 2: kind of that's kind of followed Travis Kelsey because he's

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Speaker 2: been the tight end one for like over decade now.

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Speaker 2: It feels like so the fact that he's outside of

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Speaker 2: the top five, you know, it's kind of no shock

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00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: that the position has taken a hit. You know, he's

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00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: a guy where the Rashi Rice suspension, potentially getting moved

795
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: mid season probably helps him out because those are the

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00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: weeks where there's heavy bye weeks teams are hurt, so

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00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: just having a spike in production at that point in

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00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: the season is better than having it the first you know,

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Speaker 2: four to six weeks. So I kind of bumped up

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Speaker 2: his value a little bit there. But yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 2: I have him tight end five. But again, it's this

802
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: whole tiers right next to each other. I do think

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00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: he You've kind of made this point. I do think

804
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: he still has that red zone upside where when they

805
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: get around the goal line, Mahomes is gonna be looking

806
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: for him. So I think his touchdown upside is still

807
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: there at the expense of you know, the yards per

808
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: catch and things like that, which at the end of

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: the day, the most valuable thing really for tight end

810
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: is catching touchdowns, so you could make up for with that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I hate to say it, but I probably

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00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't even draft him here. Just the decline just gives

813
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: me a too much pause here. And again, if you

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Speaker 2: draft Travis Kelce, you have to keep him all season,

815
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Speaker 2: be really hard to drop him even if you struggle.

816
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Speaker 2: So rather not spend high draft capital on any of

817
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: these tight ends in this tier for that reason, and

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00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: just kind of take my swings later on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean, even the things that we think

820
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: could help Coasey probably they could also hurt him. For example,

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Speaker 3: I do think he has that touchdown upside where when

822
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: they get in the red zone, Andy Reid could just

823
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Speaker 3: be trying to get him as many touchdowns as possible.

824
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Speaker 3: But on the flip side, with his decline has come

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Speaker 3: a precipitous decline in touchdowns the last two years, just

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Speaker 3: five in fifteen games in twenty twenty three and three

827
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: in sixteen games last season, and then you look at

828
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Speaker 3: the Rashi Rice suspension getting moved, and yeah, in theory,

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Speaker 3: having a spike during bye weeks for Kelsey would be good.

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Speaker 3: But in practice, people who draft Kelsey, if he gives

831
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Speaker 3: you four shaky ass weeks to start the season, how

832
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: much confidence? So you're gonna have to stick with him

833
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: throughout the bible because we can say you're not gonna

834
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Speaker 3: drop Kelsey. But I mean, if he puts up you know,

835
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Speaker 3: one two catches the game for a month straight, that

836
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: could change very quickly, and at least in people's minds

837
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: it could. So there's no guarantees there either. So it's

838
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: just a really messy situation where, uh, you know, I

839
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: think you're he's purely an upside play, which means he's

840
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: more of a probably more valuable in best ball at

841
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: this point because you don't know when those those spots

842
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: are gonna come, or if you know, somebody gets injured

843
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: at receiver for Kansas City and then you know he

844
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Speaker 3: spikes during those times or the suspensions, similar situations.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's another one of these range of outcomes.

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00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: I just don't think you can predict with any type

847
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: of confidence where he's actually gonna land even though you

848
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: know we have a median and he's still a top

849
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: you know, six to seven.

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Speaker 1: Guy, all right, who is up next to me? Out

851
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: who's ranks?

852
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 3: Let's see, oh, Evan Ingram, Evan Ingram. I mean, now

853
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: that got people are really excited about. But is that

854
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: a strugg Is that because that because he's on tight

855
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: end or because again I know he got the fifty

856
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: eight catch, fifty eight yard er, which might inflate his

857
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: value a little more, but he's always struggled in the

858
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: red zone. Four or fewer touchdowns each of the last

859
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: seven seasons. You just mentioned touchdowns very important at this position,

860
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: and he's also I mean, prior to the fifty eight

861
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: yard preseason repeat, preseason catch, he has lacked the To me,

862
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: it looks like he's been lacking so explosiveness.

863
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the injuries.

864
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the age, but eight point

865
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 3: two yards per catch combined over the last two seasons.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't catch touchdowns. He might not, he might not.

867
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: He might take ten catches to get fifty eight yards

868
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: when the regular season starts. So my question new shown

869
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: can be consistent enough. Even if he does finish as

870
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: a top twelve tight end, can't consistent enough for redraft

871
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: owners to rely on as a title wand to start

872
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: the year.

873
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the thing with him is I think

874
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: consistency is his asset. Like, he finished inside the top

875
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: twenty four last year ninety percent of the time, which

876
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: is one of the highest rates, but he only finished

877
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: in the top five eleven percent of the time, which

878
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: is outside the top fifteen. So you have to think

879
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: about it at the end of the year. If he

880
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: finishes exactly tight end twelve, which is where I have

881
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: him projected, he's probably not going to help you win

882
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: your league. The rest of your team's going to have

883
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: to do that. So I just think that he's replaceable.

884
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: I think you could just stream the position. You can

885
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: get by with some sort of Frankenstein monster to finish

886
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: tight end twelve. I'd rather just have more upside. So

887
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: I think drafting him, especially here at tight end eight,

888
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: this is this is where he's going in ADP, and

889
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: I have him four slots lower, I think this is

890
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: this is a reach. And you know, I think people

891
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: love the landing spot. I do too, because this Broncos

892
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: team was a nightmare to project last year. So he's

893
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: the clearly tight end. But Sean Payton's known for making

894
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: rotations out of things you least expect, So there's a chance,

895
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: you know Ingram could be in certain packages and have

896
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: a route song rate of like sixty percent and his

897
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: floor is lower than we even think. So I just

898
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: I think this is kind of dangerous drafting a tight

899
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: end like him, that he's really a high floor guy

900
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: at tight end eight is just the wrong part of

901
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: the draft to do that. I can't wait to talk

902
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: about these rookie tight ends at the end, but I

903
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: think I'm still waiting to take a flyer in one

904
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: of the rookie tight ends or somebody with more you know,

905
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: top five upside a little bit later on.

906
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my consertive anger.

907
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: I mean, he's older, he's lacked explosion, he has uh,

908
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: he's never been a touchdown guy. He's probably in for

909
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: some kind of situational role in this offense because it's

910
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: not And it was exciting when they were like Peyton

911
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I'm looking for my joker, but then

912
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: he got like the five other joker possibilities and there's

913
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: all these other receiving possibilities too, because they have all

914
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: these big slat type of guys or guys that could

915
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: play that role. So it's just really tough to predict

916
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: project Ingram. I think week to week again, another guy

917
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: just better in bastball. But we saw, like, for example,

918
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: a guy like Veyway who you know, started last year inactive,

919
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 3: then they released Reynolds and Veiley became like their starting slot,

920
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: and then this year is like, okay, they got Bryant,

921
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: Franklin's having a great camp. Mims broke out last year,

922
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: so Veyle probably is on the fringes of you know,

923
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: the roster, but no, he gets rested with the starters,

924
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: so he's gonna be the number three, which means, you know,

925
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: if they want to get those other guys that are

926
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: having good camps so that they like at receiver in

927
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: that could mean less uh snaps for Ingram in certain situations.

928
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: It's just a really and they do have blocking type

929
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: roles like remember with Will Jordan Humphrey, so there are

930
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: times when they kind of prioritize blocking over catching in Denver.

931
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just it's just a mess where Yeah,

932
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: I agree, I think I have him tight in thirteen,

933
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: but I even finished tight end eight. Even it might

934
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: not be valuable right to redraft players because he's gonna

935
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: have some bad weeks and then you might just drop him.

936
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: So not a guy I'm prioritizing our guy. I think

937
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: he needs to to, you know, prioritize in in drafts.

938
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even r J. Harvey, the rookie running back,

939
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: it's gonna command a target share. He didn't really have

940
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: that in Jacksonville. You know, Travis Datien is not really

941
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: a high volume pass catching back. Tank Bigsby certainly isn't,

942
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: so he didn't really have to compete with running backs

943
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: as much as he will with I think RJ. Harvey

944
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: is going to command a decent target share that could

945
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: chipway at Ingram's overall volume as well.

946
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Trump Payton might just turn Ingram into a

947
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: late career not current career, but late.

948
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: Career Darren Waller, where remember he.

949
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: Was like a high volume guy and then he went

950
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: to a different He went to the Giants, and they

951
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: were just using him more on like seam balls and

952
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: stuff that he would actually be good at, but it

953
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: just hurt him because it actually is just better to

954
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 3: catch those inefficient you know, three yard three yard hitches

955
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: or whatever and rack up fantasy points and you know, so, yeah,

956
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's a as as ideal of

957
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: a shift for Ingram as people think it probably helps

958
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: the wrongs more in real life than it does anyone

959
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: in fantasy. Titan nine David Najoku, he's a guy who

960
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: He's another guy really tough to project.

961
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: I actually have him as tight and nine.

962
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: Don't feel great about it because I think the quarterback

963
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: situation in flux. But he has frown crazy upside at times.

964
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: But then he's also been just lost to the sauce

965
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: of time. So Flacco has really been where Nijoku has shined.

966
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: Six catches for seventy eight yards and five starts with Flacco.

967
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: That was a couple of years ago, and he's been

968
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: trending down an ADP. So this is guy one one

969
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: season of more than forty six yard per game. He's

970
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: a guy with no seasons with more than six touchdowns.

971
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Just another kind of Evan Ingram kind of guy. To me,

972
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: what are you doing with a Djoku?

973
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, similar to you. I actually have him tight an

974
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: eight in my projections that I don't feel great about it.

975
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm confident in the rank, but I don't know if

976
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: I really want to go to my way to draft him,

977
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: because he is going sometimes ahead of the rookies. I

978
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: just think that they have more upside and Djoku, like,

979
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: he missed a handful of games last year, but he

980
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: was fifth in points per game. I have nothing against

981
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: him whatsoever as a talent. I think he does have

982
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: top five upside, but just given just the uncertainty and

983
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: the quarterback situation, he's just gonna be tough to trust.

984
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: And the good thing is, you know, the Browns they're

985
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: gonna be trailing a ton this year, so you know,

986
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 2: they're more likely than not to be pretty pass heavy,

987
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: which which helps him. And he's you know, a lock

988
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: to be a top two target in this offense. So

989
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't mind him if you know, once the rookies

990
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: are gone, I don't mind taking Joku if he falls

991
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: to say, tight end twelve. I think he does sort

992
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: of have the upside to warrant that, especially you know,

993
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: if Flacco's you know, he got the week one start,

994
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, Djoko could get off the hot start, and

995
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: then if somebody pops up on the waiver wire that

996
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: you think is you know, in the middle of a

997
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: league winning breakout season, you can drop him to pick

998
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: somebody up. So I don't mind taking Joco super late

999
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: after the rookies are gone, but I do have him

1000
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: ranked right around here.

1001
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way I'm looking at it, after that top three,

1002
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm waiting and whoever falls, I think you get. With

1003
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: the exception of I think the rookies, who sometimes I

1004
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: think more and more weeks than not, they are going

1005
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: to go inside the top ten because we know drafters

1006
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: who love the shiny New tour and we have seen

1007
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: them trend up in Best Ball, which is usually kind

1008
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: of a leading indicator of other ADBs. Both rookies are

1009
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 3: inside the top ten, so I do think the rookies

1010
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: will go. I think those are and those are still

1011
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: a lot of people still play ten team leagues. Those

1012
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 3: could still be your last two tight ends that get drafted.

1013
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: So I think it's top three in the rookies for me.

1014
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: All these guys we talked about, regardless of where we

1015
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: have them ranked, I just think less you're the last

1016
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: person to draft a tight end, uh one, you really

1017
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: want nothing to do with these guys. So and I

1018
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 3: think it's kind of a It couldn't be like a

1019
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: major fallacy that if Flacco starts it's gonna be good

1020
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: news for anyone because it's Flaco. Like, it's old ass

1021
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco that could not even beat out Anthony Richardson

1022
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: last year. He couldn't even do something that Daniel Jones

1023
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: has done to start this year. That was Joe Flacco.

1024
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: That was Joe Flacco last year, last year, now he's

1025
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: even a year older.

1026
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well, Flaco, it's just the mixture of

1027
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: good and bad. Bad is really good for fantasy players

1028
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: because you know, he'll look great on and drive and

1029
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: then throw a pick six and then they have to

1030
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: go right back on the field and they got to

1031
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: be even more past heavies. Sometimes Flacco being bad helps

1032
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: if we have like a pass cutcher like Joku. But yeah,

1033
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: like I think once he's done around like week six

1034
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: or something, would I be excited about Dylan Gabriel under center.

1035
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. But I think if Flacco loses his job,

1036
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: it's because someone like Shador Sanders it's his time. But again,

1037
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: this is just a weird situation. I don't want to

1038
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 2: be spending too much draft capital on a pass catcher,

1039
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: not knowing who the quarterback will be in the second

1040
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: half of the season, and.

1041
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Even should I don't.

1042
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: I feel like Shoudor looked probably a little better than

1043
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: I expected, but he still only had like one and

1044
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: a half good drives and he was scrambling a lot,

1045
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: which could actually hurt the joke because you want a

1046
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: guy like oh Trashure dump it off. So yeah, yeah

1047
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: he could. He could do something with some quarterback, but

1048
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: who knows what that quarterback is? Who knows when that

1049
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: is going to be in the season. Again, unless this

1050
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: is you're in a best Ball league, I don't see

1051
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 3: a point in drafting.

1052
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: This tier at all.

1053
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: So we'll go to the next one, Tucker Craft, who,

1054
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: because he tends to go a little bit lower and

1055
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: sometimes does go outside the top ten, top twelve, a

1056
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: little more intriguing. And I think some of these veterans

1057
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: who you're paying for pass production. Craft still young, still

1058
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: I think emerging, and has been quietly very very good.

1059
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 3: Took the job away from musk Grave. Remember Musgrave started

1060
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: out as their unquestioned top pass catching tight end, and

1061
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 3: by the end.

1062
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: And we thought Kraft was gonna be a blocker by

1063
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: the end of the season.

1064
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: I think Craft had already sad passed musk Grave just

1065
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: in terms of a pass catcher. And now there's this

1066
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver shake up, does it. Do you think that

1067
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: helps him because they obviously didn't like their was receiver

1068
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: room last year. But it could also hurt him, I guess,

1069
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: because there are more options, although these options seem to

1070
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 3: be dropping like flies.

1071
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: Musgrave is back though, so that there is that wait,

1072
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: what like muskra is back? Oh?

1073
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it could be like you know, Hayden

1074
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Hurst and Mark Andrews. Hayden Hurst was drafted before Mark Andrews,

1075
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: but we quickly figured out that, you know, Andrews is

1076
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: the better tight end. It seems like anytime Craft and

1077
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: Musgrave are both healthy, Craft's role is pretty much a

1078
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: lock at this point. So I think, yeah, I have

1079
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: Craft as my tight end ten, so I'm right in

1080
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: line with this. I think that the wide receiver wide

1081
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: receiver shake up might help him because you know, he

1082
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: could be the clear number two target. I think, you know,

1083
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: Matthew Golden should be the number one target this year,

1084
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: but Craft could be the number two target with the

1085
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: you know, the wide receiver room. Kind of being banged

1086
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: up and uncertain. Uh. And the thing with Kraft is

1087
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: he's excellent after the catch. Led the league last year

1088
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: with almost ten yards after the catch, so he makes

1089
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: every catch count. I think he has sneaky touchdown upside

1090
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: as well because Golden. I think Golden's gonna be the

1091
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: number one target, like I said, but I think when

1092
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: they get in the red zone, I think Craft is

1093
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: still the guy that Leve will probably look into the most.

1094
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: He had seven touchdowns last season. Again, we're projecting all

1095
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: these tight ends for like six or less touchdowns, So

1096
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: anytime you can get close to double digit touchdowns, that's huge.

1097
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I would draft him here again

1098
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: after the rookies are gone. But I think Craft he

1099
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: does provide sort of a solid floor ceiling combo where

1100
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: you know, the Packers, We've talked about it quite a bit.

1101
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: The Packers were extreme run heavy last year. I do

1102
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: expect them to throw a bit more and all that

1103
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: just kind of helps Craft out in the end.

1104
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the way I see it, I feel like

1105
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: with the Packers, they wouldn't mind just using the running

1106
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: back and path protection and letting Craft go out on

1107
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 3: the route. You know sometimes it's it's not that simple

1108
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: depending on how good your running back is at catching.

1109
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: But they already take out Jacobs in a lot of

1110
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: passing situations, so that shows that they don't prioritize getting

1111
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: them on his heads the same way.

1112
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1113
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: And then Brooks, you know, he's uh, he's a guy

1114
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: that probably sticks for all around good special team or

1115
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: pass blocker, all that stuff. So yeah, I think I

1116
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 3: think Craft is in a unique situation where I don't

1117
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: mind him. Still, I do have him ten, but I

1118
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 3: don't I don't want to draft him above that, and

1119
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to draft him if the rookies are

1120
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 3: on the board really because I'm still looking for upside

1121
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 3: there and still a little bit of an uncertain situation.

1122
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: But uh, I do I think I think Craft is

1123
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: if you're going to draft out of this kind of

1124
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: tier after the top three and it's not the rookies,

1125
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: I think Craft is the most most intriguing, just because

1126
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 3: the ADP can get a lot lower. Number eleven is

1127
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: this is interesting? Uh, this show is kind of the

1128
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: uncertainty here. But Jake Ferguson's number eleven, and again I

1129
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: think that out change. I think the two the two

1130
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: rookies are not in the top twelve currently, I think

1131
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: they'll be.

1132
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: I think they'll go top ten. So again this order,

1133
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: we're just going by the Yahoo ranks.

1134
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 3: I think the rookies should be and will be in

1135
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 3: top ten and eightp I think you treat them as such.

1136
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: But let's talk about Jake Ferguson because this is actually

1137
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: I like when we get to talk about a guy

1138
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: who could be a big factor just because there is

1139
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: so much on thirty or a non fact. And the

1140
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 3: reason I'll sell you that is because he was the

1141
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: number nine tight end points per game in twenty twenty

1142
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 3: three and in twenty twenty four he was tight end

1143
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: thirty two, so influence per game. So which guy are

1144
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: we getting with Dak Backshotty in charge instead of McCarthy

1145
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: and George Kickens now until yeah, I.

1146
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: Think closer to the tight end nine we saw in

1147
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. And a big reason is Dak Prescott

1148
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: messed half the season, so Jake Ferguson at Cooper Rush

1149
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: under center for eight plus games, so he's gonna get

1150
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: a boost with Dak, you know, returning and fully healthy,

1151
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys locked him up long term so they

1152
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: do consider Ferguson, you know, he piece, so they're franchise

1153
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: going forward. I think he's gonna be a top three

1154
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: option again with Pickens there. I think Pickens can help

1155
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: open things up for bull C d Land and Jake Ferguson,

1156
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: So you know, could ding his target rates somewhat, but

1157
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he could be open more now

1158
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: as a result of Pickens in the mix, So I'm

1159
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: not too concerned about that. Just at the end of

1160
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: the day, I don't think Ferguson should be drafted here

1161
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: at all. Again, you kind of mentioned he sits on

1162
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: like the top of about ten tight ends. We could

1163
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 2: sit here and debate which one should be tight end eleven.

1164
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the point is, if you're in

1165
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: a league with ten twelve teams, most people don't draft

1166
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: a second tight end, so you're gonna have all these

1167
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: guys available early in the season where any one of

1168
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: these guys could pop off. It could be Ferguson, it

1169
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: could be Kyle Pitts. Finally, it could be Chiga Quonko,

1170
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: it could be Brenton Strange. But just if you punt

1171
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: on tight end, you kind of access to all the

1172
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: gus So I don't think I would draft Ferguson here

1173
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: at tight end eleven, especially with the rookies on the board.

1174
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: I have a ranked closer to tight end fourteen. But yeah,

1175
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: I view him as a high end tight end too,

1176
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: who definitely carries the high floor, but that's probably not

1177
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: gonna help you out too much in head to head leagues.

1178
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: He's a guy that you probably don't have to draft

1179
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: him to be honest, and if he starts off hot,

1180
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: you could pick him up. I would go that route

1181
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: as opposed to drafting him here at tight end eleven.

1182
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's good news. It's definitely is good

1183
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: news that they locked him up long term. I think

1184
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: it's good news that their running back situation is so

1185
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: disgusting for lack of a better term, because I do

1186
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: think that increases the chances that they use specialized roles

1187
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: and just have like a guy like Whipkey for example,

1188
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: maybe out there on all the passing situations is walking

1189
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: because they don't really care about getting the ball in

1190
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: anyone's hands specifically.

1191
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think he's got things working

1192
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: in his favor.

1193
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: He is still my tight end fifteen, so yeah, he's

1194
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: he's there, but no reason to run out and draft him.

1195
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: Although you know, if you're again, if you're the last

1196
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: person to take a tight end or at least starting

1197
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: tight end, I think you're gonna have a lot of

1198
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: options to your point, and that's where you kind of

1199
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: want to be if it's not taking a shot on

1200
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: the rookies or drafting a stud.

1201
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: Titan twelve is.

1202
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid, and yeah, whose ranks I'm pretty well on Kinkaid.

1203
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: I've kind of it's just shaping up a little bit

1204
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: like a Kyle Pitts situation to me, where every year

1205
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 3: they're gonna kind of pull us in and every year

1206
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: I feel like it's gonna be a little bit of

1207
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: a disappointment because we see how buff We know Buffalo

1208
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: wants to spread around. They've made that perfectly clear. And

1209
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: some of the things with kin Cater are like he's

1210
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: been off the field and chief situations. He's been criticized

1211
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: for by his own coaching staff for things like that

1212
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: we can't necessarily see day to day, but you know,

1213
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: like his weight for you know, to be able to

1214
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: be a good blocker and things like that. But more

1215
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: concerning Sean is that he led Buffalo with ten red

1216
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: zone targets to ask year he was third on the

1217
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: team and twenty twenty three, and yet he's only had

1218
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: two touchdowns each season.

1219
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: And this is the guy like Josh Allen's throwing him

1220
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: the football.

1221
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, does he actually have this upside that

1222
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: I think the fantasy community thinks he does or is

1223
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: this who he is?

1224
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: For you? Yeah, I think he definitely has the upside.

1225
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: So I think the Kyle Pitts comp is fair here

1226
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: where he's probably gonna disappoint because as long as Dawson

1227
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: Knox is there and healthy, he's going to be a

1228
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: thorn in Dalton's side, at least in fantasy purposes. So yeah,

1229
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: I would definitely hesitate drafting him here at tight end twelve,

1230
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: I would say though he is part of I'd say

1231
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: there's four tight ends that might not get drafted in

1232
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: a lot of leagues, but they carry league winning upside

1233
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: if they're the other tight end on the depth chart,

1234
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: like gets a significant injury, and I'd be Dalton Kincaid.

1235
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: If Dawson Knox goes down, you know, he'd certainly be

1236
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: a top ten tight end in my you know, weekly

1237
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: Prige Extra Model, John new Smith, Isaiah Likely and Cole

1238
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: Kmet or other tight ends that having said that, I'm

1239
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: not drafting those guys. Those are guys that if I

1240
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: start the year kind of hunting tight end, I would

1241
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: have my eye on them. If they're you know, tight

1242
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: end counterpart gets hurt, I'd put in a hefty bid

1243
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: to get them. But yeah, drafting Kim Kaid at tight

1244
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: end twelve feels closer to his ceiling as long as

1245
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: Knox is healthy, and you don't want that, you know,

1246
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: to start the season. So I have him tight end

1247
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 2: you know, thirteen. But I just don't think he has

1248
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: enough upside to be drafted inside the top twelve.

1249
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, I'm a tight end twenty two. He oh yeah,

1250
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean this is not a massive separation,

1251
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: but it just shows.

1252
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: It goes to show you that I think a lot

1253
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: of these guys you know out once you get past

1254
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: the fringe.

1255
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: And he's not a fringe guy to me.

1256
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: I think he's more in that tight end two tier

1257
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: where he uh, he's kind of squitting snaps and he's

1258
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: not I don't even know truly if he would maximize

1259
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: his you know, his role with Knocks out because that

1260
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 3: switched to Joe Brady.

1261
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: I think I think we.

1262
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: Saw it in in twenty twenty three, where you know,

1263
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: Kick did see a upsticken volume. But you know, as

1264
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 3: Brady has kind of gotten more familiar and more and

1265
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: put a stamp on this offense, they become more run

1266
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: heavy and they've spread it around more. And I just

1267
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: wonder if because of Kink's role, like, would would he

1268
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 3: play in line as much like as much as you

1269
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: know him and knocks combined did that? That kind of

1270
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 3: remains me because he also got Reggie Gilliam. You know,

1271
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: you got you got, you got, you got some young

1272
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: guys that that could just take some of those reps.

1273
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: So it's it's a big question mark for me. I

1274
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: don't I don't really want to get caught up in

1275
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: it because I think now that we've seen that. I

1276
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 3: thought last year was the year if he was gonna

1277
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 3: kind of put up like that Kittle Kelsey season when

1278
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: teams have no they have no receivers and they's okay,

1279
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: monster year.

1280
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: I think it was going to be last year.

1281
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 3: Now it's just even if the upside is tight ened

1282
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: ten or eight, I mean, it's not really you're not

1283
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 3: missing much.

1284
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't think exactly. You see they're talking they might

1285
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: bring back game Davis our boy.

1286
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not good for Kate's touchdown upside, right, I mean,

1287
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: right when I saw that he led the team in

1288
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: red zone targets past year, I like my mouth almost

1289
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: duped because like I kind of in my head, I

1290
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 3: knew he was, you know, getting some. But I mean

1291
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: he seems like a classic, like, yeah, not gonna be

1292
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: as involved in a red zone and just not as

1293
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 3: much period as I think we want. Let's talk about

1294
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: guys outside the top twelve and these Yahoo ranks because

1295
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: I know we both like rookies.

1296
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: I'll let you started off.

1297
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 3: Let's talk about rookys first, and then we both have

1298
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 3: another like veteran guy that we each way.

1299
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so my first guy he's rookie Tyler

1300
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: Warren of the Colts. He's my tight end nine right now.

1301
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: And you know, the Colts just got a massive upgrade

1302
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: at tight end with Warren. He has a talent to

1303
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 2: be you know, elite overall tight end, similar to someone

1304
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 2: like George Kittle. He's an excellent blocker and can you know,

1305
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: make an impact as a pass catcher and they just

1306
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: haven't had that in years, and that's already been on

1307
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: display in preseason. He leads all rookie tight ends with

1308
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: sixty five yards on four catches. Daniel Jones, their newly

1309
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: appointed Week one starter, just missed them on what would

1310
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: have been like a I don't know, it could have

1311
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: been thirty plus yards. You know, he could have had

1312
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 2: one hundred yards so far on fire. Yes, Daniel Jones's quarterback,

1313
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: but he has Daniel Jones. I think I think that

1314
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: either way, the quarterback situation is awful, but I think

1315
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: the Daniel Jones helps because he's more willing to throw

1316
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: those high percentage routes underneath to someone like Tyler Warren

1317
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: and Josh down. So I think going to Daniel Jones'

1318
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: short term I think helps him. Because again, Anthony Richardson's

1319
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 2: completed about half his passes since he's been in the league.

1320
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: So just given the quarterback situation, I think that does

1321
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: limit his ceilings some. But I think just based on

1322
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: being the clear lead tight end for the Colts, I

1323
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: think he has a very high floor for rookie and

1324
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: we've seen now in back to back seasons the you know,

1325
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 2: the top overall tight end has been a rookie. I

1326
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: think the guy that you're gonna mention probably has the

1327
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: higher ceiling of the two. But I think certainly later

1328
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: in the draft, Warren provides you with the safe floor

1329
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: where he could easily be a top ten tight end

1330
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: this year with with top five upside.

1331
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 3: Still yeah, I think, yeah, I have Warren love coach

1332
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 3: Loveland and Warren ranked eight and nine, and I think,

1333
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: uh no, sorry, you know in basketball, yeah, I do.

1334
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: I have Warren ranked spot lower in in redraft because

1335
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: just there is there is still some uncertainty there. But

1336
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: I think they I think Warren deserves to be a

1337
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 3: top ten tight end because you also have to think

1338
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: about it from the perspective of this Coast offense has

1339
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: been operating with Kylan Granson as a lead tight end.

1340
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: He that might be the worst tight like top starting

1341
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 3: tight end in the league. I don't like is he

1342
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: where is he? Is he even gonna make the Eagles

1343
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 3: roster this year? That he's fighting for a roster spot

1344
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: right now, that's how bad they're starting tight end is uh.

1345
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 3: The other guys that are still there are just essentially blockers,

1346
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: which at MILEI Cox and oval tree. So I think

1347
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: you look at Pittman's target per route rate and you

1348
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: look at Josh Downs's target per out right, you say, okay,

1349
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 3: well you got two or series that do tend to

1350
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 3: get targets. But that's with Kylan Granson as the starting

1351
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 3: tight end.

1352
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: And we know like Alet.

1353
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 3: Pearce running wind sprints or maybe it's eighty Mitchell this year,

1354
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 3: but either way, somebody's gonna be running win sprints. So yeah,

1355
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: Warren has upside even with a bad quarterback. And they,

1356
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: I mean they could theoretically use Warren.

1357
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: Downfield as well.

1358
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 3: He might just be that guy because Pittman has like

1359
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 3: a broken back every time we look up, and Josh

1360
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: Downs is an underneath guy as well, Like he can

1361
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 3: be an underneath guy as well when you've seen him

1362
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: do that. So uh, I actually like the ceiling floor

1363
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 3: combination for war which I don't think it's probably as

1364
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 3: bad as his quarterbacks are. Like I think even with

1365
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks, I think because given where they drafted him,

1366
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: given what they could do with him, you know, they

1367
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: could give him handoff, they can they can line him

1368
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 3: up in a backfield, which maybe that the chances of

1369
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: that are increasing as the backups go down around Taylor.

1370
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think war I feel pretty

1371
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: good about Warren, and I feel pretty good about Loveland

1372
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: as well. And that's that's the guy I wanted to

1373
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: talk about. Uh, you know, drafted in the top half

1374
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: of the first round by a team that already had

1375
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: co commit, So I think that this is gonna He's

1376
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: gonna be a featured part of the offense. We saw

1377
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson use uh Sam Laporta in a full, full

1378
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: time roll right off the bat as a rookie eighty

1379
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: three percent snap rate. I think something like that is

1380
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 3: gonna be kind of go down with Loveland. And you

1381
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: mentioned de Sean Loveland like the ceiling, because he's probably

1382
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 3: gonna be he he They drafted him over Warren, which

1383
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: tells me that they were looking for a guy that's

1384
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: every down, like we could just leave him out there.

1385
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: We don't have to worry about anything, we don't have

1386
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: to worry about blocking, like like he's just good to go.

1387
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: So that kind of tells you what they what they

1388
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: think of him.

1389
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: When I look at that Bears offense, a lot of

1390
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: people see it's crowded, but I think it's kind of

1391
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 3: like a packer situation with Golden where it's probably not

1392
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 3: as crowded as we think, because Kevin Williams already told

1393
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,959
Speaker 3: like without telling us, he told us he hated throwing

1394
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: the co comitt. I mean he didn't look at the

1395
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 3: guy for half the year. DJ Moore him and DJ

1396
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: I mean he was they were. DJ Moore would be

1397
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 3: running around to the left and Kevi Williams would be

1398
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: targeting him in the ball would be like five feet

1399
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 3: the other direction. Same thing with Rome with duns don't

1400
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: say for that matter. So uh, I think I think

1401
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: there's a chance Loveland is is the top target on

1402
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: the offense, even I think that's his ceiling. But I

1403
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: think he's still going to be, uh a top three

1404
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 3: guy either way. And Burden seems to be able to

1405
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 3: further down the depth chart, like you know, so that's

1406
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: the guy. Another guy who Okay, well he's a potential slot.

1407
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: He could impact Loveland. He was drafted only around later.

1408
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 3: But it seems like Olaminde's a kias is at least

1409
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 3: you know, starting out ahead of Burden, whereas Weveland is

1410
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: tight you know, the top tight end. So yeah, I

1411
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 3: feel really good about about him. And he's he's my

1412
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: tight and eight. I think he's the guy. Him and

1413
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: Warren are the guys you want to take the shots at.

1414
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's old old watch guys exactly.

1415
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna wait a tight end, you gotta

1416
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: take a flyer on potentially the next brock Powers. I

1417
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 2: think Loveland is that guy. This year where just amazing talent.

1418
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: My comp for him was like early career Jimmy Graham,

1419
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: not Bears Jimmy Graham that's stuck in and I love

1420
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: but Saints Jimmy Graham. And it's kind of like Bowers

1421
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: last year where people are kind of worried about Michael

1422
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: Mayer being there. I think people are kind of thinking

1423
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 2: that with Pole Comet that might not be an issue.

1424
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: Uh So you know, Loveland could easily be the top target,

1425
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: like you said, and Luther Burton it looks like, uh

1426
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: he is, could be ahead of him in the pecking order.

1427
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: I think that would help leveling out. But yeah, everything

1428
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 2: could line up for Loveland this year and he could

1429
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: provide a top five season easily. So I love getting him.

1430
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: You know, he's typically going outside of the top ten

1431
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: and like home leagues things like that, and I think

1432
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 2: that's the cheap code to get one of these rookie

1433
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: tight ends outside the top ten.

1434
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 3: I feel like every year I have like a bunch

1435
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: of ranks that are that are just way out, way

1436
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 3: out of left field from consensus. These people always tell

1437
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 3: me that I think this year I might end up

1438
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: just ranking Warren and Loveland four and five. I'm just

1439
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 3: looking at the board right now.

1440
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 1: I feel better.

1441
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 3: I feel better about those two guys than any of

1442
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 3: these other guys we talked about after the top three.

1443
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I don't like imagine, imagine, like

1444
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 3: not imagine drafting, like watching Evan Ingram like check out

1445
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 3: every every first down, or like Travis Kelsey who wimp around,

1446
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: or David Joke who have.

1447
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: Like a brace on his knee, and like.

1448
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: You just warn and loved one with all these He's

1449
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 3: like yes, like dunking the ball over the goal post, Like.

1450
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as always, it doesn't mean draft them tight

1451
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: end four or five. The beauty is you don't have to.

1452
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: You can get them tight end ten to eleven. But

1453
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent. I don't even know when

1454
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 2: they play, but I could see the Broncos their kickoff

1455
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: being one o'clock Sunday, our time. Twitter is freaking out

1456
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: because Adam Shroutman has played every snap. Yeah I'm the

1457
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: opening drive, Like that's gonna happen. Uh but yeah, love

1458
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 2: one's gonna score a touchdown and it's gonna seem very

1459
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: easy in hindsight that we should have been drafting these rookies,

1460
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: especially the last couple of seasons when they've been balling out.

1461
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I'm I'm starting to see it already,

1462
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 3: I guess as I look at them as.

1463
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: I am, I right, like, no, no, no, yeah, yeah,

1464
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 4: oh yeah, these are the guys we want, but there

1465
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: are we do have a veteran that we want to

1466
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 4: mention it.

1467
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I'll let you started off.

1468
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: Well, assuming everybody's drafted, the rookies are drafted, one guy

1469
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: will be kind of keeping an eye on early in

1470
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: the season to potentially be you know, breakout tight end

1471
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: would be Chiga Quonku who over the past, you know,

1472
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: a few seasons, he's flashed tight end one upside at times,

1473
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 2: just rarely can put it together for a full season.

1474
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 2: Last year, it's usually towards the end of the season,

1475
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: right because last year, once again, if you look at

1476
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 2: the last five games of the season, he was tight

1477
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: end twelve in points per game and all season is

1478
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: playing time was sort of capped by Josh Whiley but

1479
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 2: in the sixty five percent range. But it looks like

1480
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: Wiley is now the tight end four on the depth chart,

1481
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 2: not a lock to make the team. It's actually rookie

1482
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: Gunner Helm as the current number two. So I don't know.

1483
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: We could see Quonko, you know, run a seventy to

1484
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: eighty percent routes run rate and what should be a

1485
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: better offense I think with cam Ward and with the

1486
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: with the wider wide receiver two situation kind of wide open,

1487
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: I think it's not crazy to consider Chig as like

1488
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: the number two target in this offense. So he's just

1489
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: one of many tight ends in the tight end two

1490
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: range I could see popping off and posting a top

1491
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: ten type season. So maybe you know, in best ball

1492
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: as your second or third tight end or just someone

1493
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 2: to kind of keep tabs on to start this season.

1494
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: But again, there's a handful of guys kind of in

1495
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: that range that I think, could you know, offer a

1496
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: top ten season this year.

1497
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm almost worried about Helm now because It's like,

1498
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: you know, Conco was like the last regime, and I

1499
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 3: almost wonder were they kind of.

1500
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: Like giving a Conco like a.

1501
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 3: Like a trial last year toward the end of the season,

1502
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 3: and then because Helm is like popping off too. So

1503
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 3: I don't even know what to think because I've I've

1504
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 3: been highing a Conco as a sleeper as well these

1505
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 3: past few years.

1506
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: But now now I'm almost worried that Helm is is like.

1507
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 3: Maybe they wanted why we to beat out a Conco

1508
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 3: last year, and that's why he was challenging him, And

1509
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: now that now that they got Hel, like you know,

1510
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: the actual current regime, I don't know, but I agree

1511
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: Congo has some upside and he did play well down

1512
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 3: the stretch last year, so he could It could be.

1513
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 3: But I'm also I am a little concern about my

1514
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 3: Helm now that he's had a good preseason. But one

1515
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 3: guy he's not super sexy for me is Dallas Goddard.

1516
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 3: I just he's every time I look up, he's top

1517
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 3: twelve tight ending points per game, and I do think

1518
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 3: the Eagles could throw a little bit more this year.

1519
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 3: So Godard, you could usually get him outside the top twelve,

1520
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: and he's last three years, tight end five, tight end twelve,

1521
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 3: tight end ten in points per game. So you look

1522
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 3: at the fact that you know, Aj Brown has had

1523
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 3: one of those whispers of injury issues this this camp.

1524
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 3: You look at you know, DeVante Smith the same thing,

1525
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 3: has has missed some time.

1526
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: He should be good to go.

1527
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 3: But these Eagles receivers, you know, when they've been out,

1528
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: Goddard has been a monster.

1529
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: We saw that at times last year.

1530
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 3: But then Goddard missed a lot of time, so he

1531
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 3: kind of flies under the radar. But if you just

1532
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: look at the points per game, I mean, and that's

1533
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 3: with you know, last three years with a lot of

1534
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 3: low volume offense, Uh, the receivers really being healthy for

1535
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: the most part up until last season. And he's still

1536
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 3: been posting very good per game numbers. So I'm not

1537
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: writing him off yet. I know they were thinking of

1538
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 3: moving him, but he's a guy I think gonna be

1539
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:17,520
Speaker 3: pretty reliable.

1540
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1541
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people might just end

1542
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: up shooting themselves in the foot by drafting a bunch

1543
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 3: of those other tight ends in the frozen pontire we mentioned,

1544
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 3: so god It I think does actually have some value.

1545
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 3: As you know, maybe you start him off as a

1546
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 3: streamer and see what happens, or you know, in best ball,

1547
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 3: you could wait a little bit and still grab him

1548
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 3: and his cheapest stack for Jalen Hurts as well.

1549
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think a lot to like about dallas Cott.

1550
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's interesting because like handful of players going down

1551
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 2: would really boost his value. He's already kind of a

1552
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: fringe tied end one. But aj Brown, DeVante Smith either

1553
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: one miss his time, he gets a boost. Tako on

1554
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: Barkley miss his time, you know, the pass catchers. Yeah,

1555
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: and once again, if Jalen Hurts miss his time, probably

1556
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 2: not good for the Eagles, But Tanner McKee would actually

1557
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: upgrade the pass catchers for me because he'll probably just

1558
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: throw more lean on the toush, push around the goal

1559
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 2: line a little bit less. But he has a lot

1560
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 2: of different paths to upside. So I agree. I think

1561
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: he's being drafted closer to his floor right now, sort

1562
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 2: of in that you know, tight end fourteen range.

1563
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I like Karry McKee.

1564
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 3: I think he's one of those guys where if he

1565
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 3: could be kind of like almost like a Rock Purty

1566
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 3: or somebody where even because remember there are questions about

1567
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts his passing ability into into the second half

1568
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: of last season. It wasn't until they made the run

1569
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 3: and then you know he got you know, vindicated. But

1570
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 3: I could see whispers start popping up if McKee has

1571
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 3: a bunch of good games and if well Hurts has

1572
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 3: hurt or something like that, I'm saying it's warranted. But yeah,

1573
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 3: I think pretty pretty pretty good back up there in Philly.

1574
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,400
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