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Speaker 1: Perriman I think is really bears watching. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: looked pretty good in those spring practices and it could

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Speaker 1: get real interesting with him. However, uh you know now,

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Speaker 1: as I wrote, I mean, that's just he can do

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Speaker 1: it at his own pace now. And I think Macklin

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Speaker 1: is is gonna he's a playmaker and he's healthy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a situation where what you hope your

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Speaker 1: team can do is find another team that maybe might

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Speaker 1: have messed up a little bit. And obviously since macklean left,

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Speaker 1: the GM of the Chiefs has been fired, and there

439
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Speaker 1: was some sort of something going on there and maclean's

440
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Speaker 1: departure was part of it. And somebody's going to benefit

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Speaker 1: from that, and I think it might have been the Ravens. Yeah, Impairmount.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've said this over and over again. You

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Speaker 1: know this podcasts are on final drive or just have

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Speaker 1: been talking to people. He was like the best player

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Speaker 1: on the field during all season workouts and so I'm

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Speaker 1: really eager to see if that can transition, Like can

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Speaker 1: that translate the training camp? Canlet translate to actual games?

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Speaker 1: Because if it can, then he has everything that you

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Speaker 1: expected and hoped he would be when you dropped him

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Speaker 1: in twenty six. Yeah, it's interesting because I think he's

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Speaker 1: really been a target for fans obviously because it goes

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Speaker 1: back to the rookie year, right. Yeah, it's just on

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Speaker 1: and on, and you know, because he didn't wasn't you

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Speaker 1: know immediately Odell Beckham Jr. You know, I mean it's like,

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Speaker 1: but yet everyone develops at their own pace, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it took him and he was hurt. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was hurt and and then last year was up and down.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. It was his first time on the field,

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Speaker 1: but boy, he's got a lot of skill and you

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Speaker 1: can see why he was a high pick. And he's

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a credit, he's been a tough young

462
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Speaker 1: guy to keep working at his job in spite of

463
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Speaker 1: not letting that criticism get to him too much. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a big opportunity for him. So the

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Speaker 1: other thing I want to talk to you about, it

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the Baltimore Ravens, but it's

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Speaker 1: pertinent for you. And that's uh. You have a new

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Speaker 1: book that just came out and it's called The Streak.

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Speaker 1: It's about cal Ripkin's script streak and Luke garrick streaks.

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Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit about I

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Speaker 1: have not had a chance to read it yet, but

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Speaker 1: I want to, so tell us a little bit a

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Speaker 1: bit about the book. Well, of course, when I was

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Speaker 1: at the Baltimore Sun, I was in front row for

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Speaker 1: all of cal Rickman's career. Is the nighty broke Garrick's record,

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Speaker 1: That whole thing. It's a famous moment for any Baltimore

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Speaker 1: sports fan that saw it. And I started out wanting

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Speaker 1: to write a book. I said, this would be fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, I do write books in my spare time.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to compare Rip and garreg going back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're twenty years out now. I thought, well, that would

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Speaker 1: be fun when the kind of thing fans like to debate.

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Speaker 1: And then when I got into it, I realized very

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Speaker 1: quickly I can't tell their stories without telling the story

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Speaker 1: of this crazy record that both of them have, which

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Speaker 1: is the consecutive games played record. Cal's, of course, two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixty two straight games. I mean, it's in this

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Speaker 1: insane feat and you know it's It's the only record though,

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Speaker 1: where you think about it, in any sport, I can

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Speaker 1: imagine where you don't have to do well, I have

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Speaker 1: to show up. You don't even have to get a hit.

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Speaker 1: You can play badly and extend your record. And so

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Speaker 1: that struck me as odd. And the flat fact that,

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Speaker 1: as anyone knows who was around Cal for a long time,

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Speaker 1: you know you can. I mean, people ask you why

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Speaker 1: are you doing that? I mean, and they say, like,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of dumb to do that. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: get criticized for it. So I thought, this is such

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Speaker 1: a weird record. I had to explore this record. Where

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Speaker 1: did it come from? Who thought it was a good

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Speaker 1: idea in the first place? To play all these games

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Speaker 1: in a row without upping? Is it a good idea?

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Speaker 1: And lastly, if it's such a great idea, why is

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Speaker 1: no one doing it anymore in baseball? Because they're gone.

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Speaker 1: They're gone from baseball. So that mean I had to

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Speaker 1: tell the whole story of this record, going back to

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Speaker 1: the eighteen seventies through the present and using these two

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Speaker 1: guys and other guys and just tell that story. So

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Speaker 1: it became a big endeavor. It took me four years

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Speaker 1: to do it. But in the end I have this

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Speaker 1: book where I to go back and forth between the

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Speaker 1: two of them tell their stories. But also all these

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Speaker 1: issues with records, like does a day off help and

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Speaker 1: an athlete? Does it actually help? And then the ones

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Speaker 1: I was mentioning, why would you do this? And is

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Speaker 1: it smart to do it? So there's just all these issues.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a baseball book that's you know, pure baseball,

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Speaker 1: and I have fun doing it. There's no way that

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Speaker 1: anyone touches that record, right, No, there's absolutely no way.

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Speaker 1: This book came out on July four, the publishing The

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Speaker 1: publishing day was July four, and the longest streak active

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Speaker 1: streaking baseball on that day was two d and fifty

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Speaker 1: four games, so two thousand, three hundred and seventy eight short.

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Speaker 1: So it's just I don't think it's gonna happen. They

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Speaker 1: just don't do it anymore. Yes, it's it's not in

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Speaker 1: the science and baseball, baseball, even since Ripken left, has

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Speaker 1: become much more and this happened in football too, much

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Speaker 1: more scientific. They're quantifying all sorts of things, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they have all these numbers to back things up. And

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Speaker 1: it's surely not pragmatic to play every day for fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: so you know, and these days the numbers rule, so

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Speaker 1: you know they have these numbers to sort of illustrate that.

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Speaker 1: So if you have a philosophy of playing every day,

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Speaker 1: which that was Cals is just you know, the old school,

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Speaker 1: I should be out there. You know, it's almost quaint,

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Speaker 1: it's outdated. It's already outdated. So I just don't think

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Speaker 1: you're ever gonna see anyone have that or even be

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Speaker 1: allowed to have that anymore. And you don't see it

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Speaker 1: in sports in general, and you look at the NBA,

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Speaker 1: and it's like if a guy plays on two nights

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Speaker 1: for back to back, it's like almost rare, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know some of these star players are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just a night off. You know, you do you

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Speaker 1: deserve a night off? You don't see it. You don't

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Speaker 1: get days off in football obviously because it's only sixteen

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Speaker 1: games played once a week, different game, but in baseball

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Speaker 1: and basketball a day off is expected for veteran players well.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the NBA had a huge

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Speaker 1: issue this year with days off. And you know if Lebron,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they rest Lebron for a day, they

551
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Speaker 1: take all his heat. You know, people have paid all

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Speaker 1: this money to come and see him play. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a large question. I mean, the football

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Speaker 1: equivalent of what Cal did would definitely be Brett Farve played.

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Speaker 1: I don't have his number, but it's close to three

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Speaker 1: games in a row, I think, which is it's a

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Speaker 1: remarkable game is straight yet unbelievable because unlike Cal, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Brett Farve is getting his head taken alright, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's incredible, but uh, you know, you don't get as

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Speaker 1: you said, you don't get a day off in football,

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Speaker 1: but in baseball it's a it's a fair question. Cal

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Speaker 1: obviously didn't believe it, and now good play as now

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Speaker 1: routinely get days off. But so that's why we'll never

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Speaker 1: see this record broken. So John Isenberg's new book, The

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Speaker 1: Streak is out. You can get it Amazon, you can

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Speaker 1: get it local bookstores, wherever you get your books. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to reading it. So congrats on the new

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Speaker 1: book and I'm sure it's a good one. Great, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. All right, thanks John. All right, so

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Speaker 1: thanks again to John and also j for joining me

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Speaker 1: today on the Lounge. And as always, we'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear from you guys, So let us know what you're

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Speaker 1: thinking about this time of the year, what you want

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Speaker 1: to hear, players that you want to hear from in

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Speaker 1: terms of interviews and that kind of thing. And also

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Speaker 1: again for listening. I have a great to everyone and

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