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Speaker 3: We know now what we've all been waiting to know

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Speaker 3: for the last sixteen days. Who was going to join

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Speaker 3: Vice President Kamala Harris on the ticket this cycle? We

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Speaker 3: now know that it is the Governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls,

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Speaker 3: perhaps not known to many, but maybe known to some

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Speaker 3: in part because of his viral cataloging of JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: and Donald Trump as weird. Remember this on CNN earlier

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Speaker 3: this summer, people.

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Speaker 4: Kept talking about, look, Donald Trump is going to put

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Speaker 4: women's lives at risk.

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Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is potentially going to end constitutional liberties that

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Speaker 4: we have, end voting. I do believe all those things

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Speaker 4: are a real possibility, but it gives him way too

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Speaker 4: much power. Listen to the guy he's talking about, Hannibal

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Speaker 4: Lecter and you shocking Sharks and just whatever crazy thing

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Speaker 4: him way too much credit.

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Speaker 5: Weird crazy. There you have it from Tim Walls. Fast

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Speaker 5: forward Kaylee a week in change and he's now on

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Speaker 5: the Democratic ticket. We're going to be seeing him at

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Speaker 5: five thirty Eastern time, or so goes the schedule, alongside

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris at Temple University in Philadelphia. So we've got

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Speaker 5: a race here, and the sprint begins as we bring

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Speaker 5: in Gregory Cordy, Bloomberg Politics reporter with this at the

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Speaker 5: table here. Gregor, you've been covering this campaign cycle since

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Speaker 5: the beginning. It's not till now that we actually have

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Speaker 5: a race, which is kind of remarkable. Here in the

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Speaker 5: throes of August, on our way to the Chicago convention,

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Speaker 5: Republicans have been trying to frame Kamala Harris, trying to

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Speaker 5: identify her. They've got another job here to try to

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Speaker 5: identify an essentially unknown politician when it comes to the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he is pretty much a blank slate for most voters,

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Speaker 6: and so both sides will try to sort of, as

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Speaker 6: for who.

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Speaker 7: Is this guy?

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Speaker 6: And was it say about Kamala Harris that she chose

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Speaker 6: He is sort of a middle American. He's got a

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Speaker 6: So those are the things we're going to hear from

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Speaker 3: Well, when we think more critically about some of those

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Speaker 5: People were just as surprised to learn as it was

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Speaker 5: He says. Pennsylvanians elected me to a four year term

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Speaker 6: Look, I mean, this is part of the game of

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Speaker 3: Right, Gregory Cordy, who covers all things politics for us

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Speaker 3: here at Bloomberg, thank you so much. It took a

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Speaker 3: in and we get reaction now from our signature political panel,

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Speaker 3: So obviously we know at this point, guys, Walls has

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Speaker 9: Well, he doesn't control any electoral votes directly, so I

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Speaker 9: she's much too liberal for America. You know, coming out

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Speaker 9: they're happy about this. They get this opportunity, and it's

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Speaker 9: not without its controversy. Right, We've talked a little bit

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Speaker 9: be all those kinds of things. There's plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 9: The reality is this is a tough decision by Republicans

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Speaker 9: after Kamala Harris. This is terrific for Kamala Harris because

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Speaker 5: A lot of interesting labels being thrown around here. Gregory

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Speaker 5: you could frame Tim Walls as a liberal or a moderate.

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Speaker 5: I think you described him already as a populist progressive.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I was trying to differentiate him from

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Speaker 10: Gregory was talking about when in your conversation, this idea

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Speaker 10: what does he say. He says, attack me any time

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Speaker 3: Well, Genie, as you bring up this notion of populism,

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Speaker 3: that of course is also how we describe JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: messaging does resonate, specifically the American worker. We know that

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Speaker 10: You know, I think this is a really smart choice

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Speaker 10: just for that reason you described, because what the Democrats

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Speaker 4: Just clip off the back you some shrink wrap connectors

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Speaker 5: Jury's still out on a lot of things here with

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Speaker 5: thank you both for the insights they were on Kick, Kaylee,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just missed the boat.

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Speaker 8: On a lot of that.

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Speaker 5: I can't watch you gaming online? No, I guess we

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Speaker 12: Could we be in a world where there is no retaliation,

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Speaker 5: You wonder to what extent that de escalates things. You

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Speaker 12: the aggregate the United States has sent more squadrons and

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Speaker 12: more other equipment and the like to the region.

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Speaker 3: So of course, all of this is happening against the

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Speaker 3: backdrop of the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, which

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Speaker 3: is very highly political here in the US, if you will,

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Speaker 3: and some would argue played a role in the selection

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Speaker 3: of the vice president that Kamala Harris announced today. There

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Speaker 3: are some in the Republican Party suggesting that the choice

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Speaker 3: not to tap Governor Josh Shapiro, who is Jewish, was

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Speaker 3: an anti Semitic one and it was bowing to the

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Speaker 3: pro Hamas forces within the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 7: What do you think about that idea.

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Speaker 12: I think that there's probably a little bit to it,

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Speaker 12: because I think what Kamala Harris probably wants to do

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Speaker 12: most of all is.

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Speaker 7: Play it safe.

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Speaker 12: I don't think it was the decisive factor, but was

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Speaker 12: it one among many? Do they want to have another

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Speaker 12: big fight about what the Democratic administration's policy is on

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Speaker 12: Israel and especially two state solution in the rest.

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Speaker 7: I don't think that was the number one factor, but

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Speaker 7: I bet.

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Speaker 12: At the back of their mind they're thinking, we're trying

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Speaker 12: to unite party, We're trying to put everything back together.

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Speaker 7: Let's not find an issue that splits us.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's been suggested though, that Kamala Harris is not

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Speaker 5: the same, even though in the same administration, not the

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Speaker 5: same when it comes to Israel. As Joe Biden. John

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Speaker 5: Kirby says, there's no sunlight between them. Most people in

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Speaker 5: Washington don't see it that way. How about you.

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Speaker 12: Well, Kirby has to say that, of course, because she

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Speaker 12: still serves in the Biden administration.

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Speaker 7: But I even thought.

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Speaker 12: Her body language when bb was in town last week

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Speaker 12: was a little bit more perfunctory than it is around Biden.

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Speaker 12: I can just sort of tell with her record and

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Speaker 12: the way that I think that she's responded to some

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Speaker 12: of these issues in the past, she's more in tune.

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Speaker 12: I believe with what the progressive wing of the Democratic

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Speaker 12: party thinks about Israel. Of course, net and Yaho's unpopular

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Speaker 12: almost with all Democrats and even maybe many Republicans. So

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Speaker 12: if Netanyaho's not there, maybe things change a little bit

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Speaker 12: or hair to win. But for now, I think it's

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Speaker 12: a safe bet to assume that she would be a

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Speaker 12: little bit harder on a bb Netanyahu administration than would

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Speaker 12: be certainly Trump, but obviously Biden also well.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Natanyahu's facing domestic pressures of his own, specifically

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Speaker 3: pressure to get the hostages home to agree to some

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Speaker 3: kind of ceasefire deal. Do you realistically think that happens

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Speaker 3: while President Biden is still in office.

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Speaker 12: I'm increasingly thinking it's just not on the table. I mean,

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Speaker 12: when you go and kill the head political leader for Hamas,

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Speaker 12: who is an interlocutor of yours as you try to

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Speaker 12: negotiate to get a hostage deal, I feel like what

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Speaker 12: the Israelis are saying is is that this is not

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Speaker 12: even at the.

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Speaker 7: Very top of our priority list.

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Speaker 12: What's at the top is going after Hamas, finishing up

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Speaker 12: whatever we can do there if their targets there are

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Speaker 12: not anymore.

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Speaker 7: I know that's.

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Speaker 12: Something that the Israeli generals have been communicating but I

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Speaker 12: think Netanyahu's ready to move on to Hezbola. I think

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Speaker 12: in his mind that he cannot live with another gen

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Speaker 12: sidled terrorist organization on a second border like it occurred

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Speaker 12: in the South with Gaza and Hamas. I feel like

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Speaker 12: he's determined to go in. That was certainly the feeling

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Speaker 12: I get.

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Speaker 7: The more Israelis I talk to.

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Speaker 12: So I think re establishing is Raleigh deterrence around the region,

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Speaker 12: and resetting things in.

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Speaker 7: The Middle East for Israel are at the top of

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Speaker 7: his list, and I don't think.

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Speaker 12: The hostage deal is at at least among the top

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Speaker 12: two or three priorities.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, well, we have to continue to watch

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Speaker 3: things in the Middle East as they develop. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for helping us do so. Michael Allen, Managing director and

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Speaker 3: partner at Beacon Strategies and as Joe mentioned, former special

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Speaker 3: assistant to the President during the Bush administration.

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Speaker 5: As we add the voice of Andre Gillespie, Professor of

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Speaker 5: political Science at Emory University. Professor, it's great to have you.

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Speaker 5: Before I ask you about Tim Walls and this selection.

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Speaker 5: I just want to finish with what we were discussing

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Speaker 5: there with Laura, and that's the idea that Josh Shapiro

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Speaker 5: was the wrong pick. He was getting beat up for

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Speaker 5: weeks about labor, about Israel, about a number of issues

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Speaker 5: that had progressives concerned, and Tim Wallas is apparently the

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Speaker 5: antidote to all of those things. Why do you think

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Speaker 5: she looked past the governor of Pennsylvania because we also

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Speaker 5: heard about his personality. John Fetterman said he was too ambitious.

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Speaker 5: He might primary Kamala Harris in twenty twenty eight. Is

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Speaker 5: that the real problem or was that the real problem

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Speaker 5: with him?

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Speaker 11: Well, I have no way of knowing that, so I

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Speaker 11: won't speculate about those issues. What I will consider are

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Speaker 11: all the pluses and minuses of each of the candidates,

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Speaker 11: and the way that Tim Walls checks off boxes that

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Speaker 11: Vice President Harris thinks are important when you're making vice

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Speaker 11: presidential choice. Vice Presidential candidates rarely make enough of a

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Speaker 11: DPT to actually help a candidate win an election, so

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Speaker 11: people have been studying this for decades, and some of

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Speaker 11: the earliest estimates suggested that perhaps you get a slight

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Speaker 11: bump in the vice presidential nominees home state. It may

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Speaker 11: not be enough to make a difference in a presidential

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Speaker 11: outcome unless it's a raizor thin outcome, but people do

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Speaker 11: look for things like balancing out the ticket and working

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Speaker 11: well together. Only Vice President Harris and the people whom

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Speaker 11: she interviewed can talk about what their chemistry was, but

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Speaker 11: we can look at some of the ways that Tim

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Speaker 11: Walls ostensibly balances out the ticket in ways that Josh

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Speaker 11: Shapiro did not. So Tim Walls is somebody who is

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Speaker 11: very well received by progressives in the Democratic Party, but

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Speaker 11: his manner speaks very much to folks who are in

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Speaker 11: the middle, That Midwestern plane spokenness. Just the idea of

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Speaker 11: the invocation of weird as actually being an effective attack

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Speaker 11: line against the Trump dvance machine is something that, you know,

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Speaker 11: seems really natural to him. As a Midwesterner. He really

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Speaker 11: does kind of embody every man populism.

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Speaker 8: He's somebody who.

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Speaker 11: Was not, you know, a lawyer. He's not a business person.

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Speaker 11: He was a high school teacher and a football coach. Right,

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Speaker 11: he served in the military as an enlisted person. He

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Speaker 11: served in Congress where he was bipartisan and where he

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Speaker 11: won in a district that was Republican. So he actually

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Speaker 11: can satisfy progressives, and I think that he can make

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Speaker 11: a strong case for being able to reach out to

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Speaker 11: folks in the middle. He's got federal experience, and he's

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Speaker 11: from the Midwest, and so Jos Shapiro brought a lot

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Speaker 11: of strengths to a possible ticket with Kamala Harris, but

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Speaker 11: one of the things that he couldn't bring was Midwestern

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Speaker 11: balance or looking at the middle of the country instead

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Speaker 11: of sort of thinking about that problem that Democrats have,

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Speaker 11: you know, currently have sort of in recent history of

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Speaker 11: being perceived as being the party of coastal elites. Bringing

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Speaker 11: somebody in from Minnesota who grew up in Nebraska on

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Speaker 11: a farm, I think really does kind of speak to

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Speaker 11: some of those attacks and might cause some folks in

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Speaker 11: the middle to give the ticket a second look, even

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Speaker 11: though at the end of the day, people are going

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Speaker 11: to decide based on Kamala Harrison, on Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 11: not on JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance. And that's one of the smartest answers, one of

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Speaker 5: the smartest answers. I've heard yet Midwestern Balance suggesting professor

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Speaker 5: that geography does matter, but not in the most obvious

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Speaker 5: way that we think about with a governor delivering his

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Speaker 5: or her own state. It's a different, more nuanced dynamic.

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Speaker 5: And with that in mind, I'll ask you what it

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Speaker 5: will be to put him on stage with jd Vance

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Speaker 5: if in fact there's a vice presidential debate. Jd Vance

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Speaker 5: spoke earlier today, he was on his jet. I actually

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Speaker 5: called Tim Wats he said, I left a voicemail, didn't

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Speaker 5: get him, told him congratulations. It'll be a good ride.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he'll call me back, maybe he won't. Should Tim

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Speaker 5: Walls return that phone call? And should these two debate?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think the.

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Speaker 11: Two should debate, you know, I think it remains to

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Speaker 11: be seen. I don't know if it harms, you know,

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Speaker 11: either candidacy one way or the other by putting somebody

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Speaker 11: who's older, whose populist roots are not going to be

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Speaker 11: called into question. It actually does, and in some ways

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Speaker 11: at least call out Donald Trump's choice of jd Vance

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Speaker 11: as the a spokesperson for the everyday working person. Tim

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Speaker 11: Walt can more than hold his own against jd Vance

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Speaker 11: and it would be really interesting to see them kind

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Speaker 11: of talking, you know, in a debate and debating on

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Speaker 11: those kinds of issues. I think in those particular instances,

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Speaker 11: what Harris is betting on is that Waltz's age is

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Speaker 11: actually an advantage here. So you get the extra twenty

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Speaker 11: years of life experience, you get somebody whose career did

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Speaker 11: kind before he went into politics, focused on normal, everyday politics,

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Speaker 11: whereas when jd. Vance went to law school, you know,

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Speaker 11: he then off into kind of sort of you know,

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Speaker 11: high end business and you know, you know, and it

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Speaker 11: I think in many ways, like the balance is actually

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Speaker 11: also a counter to what Donald Trump was hoping to

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Speaker 5: You talk about Midwestern balance, rural sensibility might be another

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Speaker 5: way to look at it. He didn't move to Saint

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Speaker 5: Paul until he won the governor's race. It's gonna be

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Speaker 5: interesting to see these two out on the road together, Professor.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be followed by J. D Vance over

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Speaker 5: the course the next four stops or something like that

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Speaker 5: on the road tour this week. How will Tim Walls

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Speaker 5: be framed. They're going to have a video and so forth.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be introduced. There's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 5: of people yelling in a big standing ovation. But how

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Speaker 5: will he be framed by the campaign? Is it this

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Speaker 5: way that we're talking Is it Midwestern balance, rural sensibility.

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Speaker 5: What is Kambala Harris going to serve up to the

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Speaker 5: crowd later today in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 11: I think she's going to all of that up. I

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Speaker 11: think she's going to talk about the notion of Minnesota nice.

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Speaker 11: So the idea that Walt can be the attack dog,

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Speaker 11: sarrogate and spokesperson that vice presidential candidate usually is, but

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Speaker 11: he can do so in a way that's uplifting and

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Speaker 11: that isn't mean and divisive. The idea that he can

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Speaker 11: hit back and hit back hard, but still be able

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Speaker 11: to hold his dignity. I think she's going to tout

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Speaker 11: his bipartisan record as an overture to those voters in

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Speaker 11: the middle who may still be deciding who they're going

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Speaker 11: to vote for, or moderate Republicans who might still have

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Speaker 11: misgivings about supporting a Trump advance ticket, especially as it

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Speaker 11: has emerged since the Republican nominating convention. I think he's

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Speaker 11: going to talk about his record of providing goods and

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Speaker 11: services to Minnesotan's with the legislature that he has at

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Speaker 11: his disposal, So talking about things like free lunch for

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Speaker 11: students and parental lead, all of these types of things

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Speaker 11: that Democratic voters want to hear about and that Democratic

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Speaker 11: politicians are usually trying to tout and talk about. He's

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Speaker 11: actually been able to produce a record in Minnesota that

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Speaker 11: actually speaks to those.

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Speaker 8: Kinds of things.

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Speaker 5: Andrew, it's really great to have you back. Associate Professor

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Speaker 5: Political Science, Emmery University, Andre Gillespie. We always look forward

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Speaker 5: Tim Walls the pick for Kamala Harris's running mate. We

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Speaker 5: have not seen them together yet, but we will a

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Speaker 5: bit later on five point thirty pm Eastern time. Temple

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Speaker 5: University the venue for their first event together here, and

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Speaker 5: that's going to kick off a road trip that will

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Speaker 5: follow here. Knowing that was the case, we were wondering, Kaylee,

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Speaker 5: why it took so long for this choice to emerge.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of confounding. She went bed last night, we're told,

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Speaker 5: not knowing who she was going to pick. The staff

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Speaker 5: was tasked with writing multiple speeches and creating the effects

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Speaker 5: for multiple events depending on who she would pick. This morning,

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Speaker 5: then the media leaked the news. It wasn't exactly the

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Speaker 5: role out that the campaign had planned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do have to keep in mind because it's

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Speaker 3: easy to lose sight of because everything has been so

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Speaker 3: fast moving. But this was an incredibly truncated process. Well, yes,

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Speaker 3: she only found out that Joe Biden wasn't running for

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Speaker 3: president and wanted her to do it sixteen days ago,

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Speaker 3: so she didn't have much time to think about this choice,

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Speaker 3: maybe trying to soak every minute up that she could

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Speaker 3: before letting the world know that it was. Indeed, Governor

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Speaker 3: Walts she selected today.

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Speaker 5: The democratic game of apprentice, and this case, we're told

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Speaker 5: they didn't know each other terribly well before they met

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Speaker 5: at the Naval Observatory last weekend. But I guess hit

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Speaker 5: it off in a way that made this work. We

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Speaker 5: heard a lot, Kayley, about chemistry going into this, not

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Speaker 5: just geography.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed we did. And of course it is worth

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Speaker 3: pointing out as you talk about the notion they may

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Speaker 3: not have known each other very well. A lot of

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Speaker 3: America probably doesn't know that's correct, Tim Walls very well.

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Speaker 3: Who may have been googling when they heard the news today?

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Speaker 3: Who exactly is that unless you're part of the social

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Speaker 3: media crowd that got in on the weird trend he

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Speaker 3: seems to have started. So on that note, let's turn

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Speaker 3: now to Matt Bennett. He is executive vice president for

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Speaker 3: public Affairs at Third Way and a democratic strategist. Matt,

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Speaker 3: great to have you back here on Balance of Power.

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Speaker 3: I'm Bloomberg TV and Radio. Obviously a lot of Democrats

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Speaker 3: are celebrating this decision today. But when we consider we

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Speaker 3: got a guy named Tim also being called America's dad,

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Speaker 3: running with a woman, does this take you back to

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen in a way that makes you even just

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Speaker 3: a little bit nervous.

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Speaker 13: It does sound a little familiar, but I am not nervous.

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Speaker 13: The context is very very different.

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Speaker 8: Back then.

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Speaker 13: We were not taking Trump as seriously as we auto.

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Speaker 13: We weren't taking the third party threats seriously. All of

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Speaker 13: that has changed. We know we're in a dogfight in

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Speaker 13: this election. So I'm much more confident than I would

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Speaker 13: otherwise be.

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Speaker 5: So how does the Democratic Party or how does the ticket?

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Speaker 5: I guess more specifically, here Matt Bennett frame this person

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Speaker 5: most Americans have never heard of. To Kaylee's points, some

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Speaker 5: know about the weird thing. He's labeled Trump and JD

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Speaker 5: Vans and Republicans as weird, and that's stuck. They even

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Speaker 5: have T shirts saying not weird that they're wearing at

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Speaker 5: the Democrat rallies here. So is this the weird versus

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Speaker 5: normal campaign?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly, I mean that's part of it. Like Tim

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Speaker 13: Walls is about as normal a character type as you

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Speaker 13: are likely to come across anywhere in American politics. I mean,

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Speaker 13: he is the avuncular guy next door who can help

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Speaker 13: fix your car. He's a football coach, he ice fishes.

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Speaker 13: He was a very senior enlisted a guy in the

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Speaker 13: United States Army and National Guard. He was a command

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Speaker 13: sergeant major. I mean he checks a lot of boxes.

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Speaker 13: And of course he's from the dead center middle of

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Speaker 13: the country. He also is being characterized, I think incorrectly

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Speaker 13: as being progressive because a lot of folks on the

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Speaker 13: left were pushing for him. But in fact, if you

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Speaker 13: look at his record, he's really a moderate. He was

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Speaker 13: in Congress, he is his governor, and I think he's

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Speaker 13: a perfect balance to the ticket for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: If his record is indeed more middle of the road Matt,

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Speaker 3: it certainly isn't being characterized that way today by the

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Speaker 3: opposition already calling him a radical liberal, dangerously liberal, perhaps

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Speaker 3: describing him as leftist, a leftist leftists kind of a

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Speaker 3: hard word to say. But if that already is out

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Speaker 3: there percolating, how hard is it going to be for

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Speaker 3: the now Harris Wall's campaign to fight back against that.

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Speaker 13: I mean, they're going to have to do it a little.

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Speaker 13: But remember they would call anybody. If she had picked

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Speaker 13: Joe Manchin, he would have been a radical leftist, communist,

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Speaker 13: socialist nutcase. I mean, that's what they do. But Tim

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Speaker 13: Walls is none of those things. I mean, he wanted

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Speaker 13: back in twenty eleven when he was in Congress, he

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Speaker 13: voted for four trillion dollars of deficit reduction. He was

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Speaker 13: part of the pay as you go caucus. He's very

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Speaker 13: focused on kind of deficit and deficit reduction. He had

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Speaker 13: an A plus rating from the NRA when he was

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Speaker 13: in Congress. This is nobody's idea of a left wing radical.

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Speaker 13: And keep in mind, of course, that while there was

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Speaker 13: a lot of focus on Walls and what he's done

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Speaker 13: leading up to this and today and maybe tomorrow after that,

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Speaker 13: it's all about Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. It's the

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Speaker 13: top of the ticket that people make their minds on,

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Speaker 13: and so I think Walls will be a very good

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Speaker 13: partner to her and will be a great surrogate for her,

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Speaker 13: but ultimately it's up to Harris to beat Trump.

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Speaker 5: Matt, what do you think of this anti semitic line

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Speaker 5: that we're getting from the Trump campaign in Kamala Harris

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Speaker 5: not choosing Josh Shapiro. The governor of Pennsylvania. JD Vance

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Speaker 5: was on the Hugh Hewitt program, said quote, if it's

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Speaker 5: not Josh Shapiro, I agree with you, this is something

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Speaker 5: that Hewitt pos to him. I think they will have

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Speaker 5: not picked Shapiro, frankly out of anti semitism for their

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Speaker 5: own caucus and their own party. Referring to the fact

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Speaker 5: that Shapiro is Jewish and has a bit of a

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Speaker 5: harder line as we've learned when it comes to Israel policy.

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Speaker 5: If this is something that we're going to be hearing

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Speaker 5: in this campaign, how does she answer it?

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Speaker 13: Well, let's speak clear. That is another example of Jdvan's

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Speaker 13: being awful. He has completely abandoned all principle that apparently

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Speaker 13: he once had according to his friends from law school,

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Speaker 13: and now has none. That is an appalling lie. Kamala

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Speaker 13: Harris is married to a Jewish man. As a Jewish

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Speaker 13: person myself, I will completely reject the proposition that just

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Speaker 13: because he didn't pick a Jewish guy doesn't mean she's

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Speaker 13: an anti Semi. It had absolutely positively nothing whatsoever to

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Speaker 13: do with that.

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Speaker 7: And in fact, if you want to.

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Speaker 13: Look for anti Semitism in this race, look no further

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Speaker 13: than Donald Trump, who said that there were very fine

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Speaker 13: people on both sides when a bunch of Nazis chanting

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Speaker 13: Jews will not replace us marched in Charlottesville while he

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Speaker 13: was president. So that is a ridiculous thing for fans

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Speaker 13: to have said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it does make you wonder if everyone is familiar

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Speaker 3: with the second Gentleman of the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: Mat It is an excellent point, and it's also worth

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Speaker 3: pointing out it wasn't just Josh Shapiro that wasn't chosen.

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Speaker 3: There were a number of other governors who were on

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Speaker 3: this list, including senators as well, like Mark Kelly of Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was looking to those representing actual battleground states. Matt,

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Speaker 3: that is not what she went with here. Safely, Blue

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Speaker 3: Minnesota hasn't gone for a Republican since nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 3: Is the real risk that that calculus actually backfires, That

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Speaker 3: you should have had someone who could bring with him

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Speaker 3: actual electoral votes that you wouldn't have had otherwise.

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Speaker 13: No, that doesn't work anymore. No vice presidential nominee has

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Speaker 13: delivered their state for the ticket since LBJ did it

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Speaker 13: in nineteen sixty he delivered Texas. Since then, no one's

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Speaker 13: done it. I mean, sometimes the ticket wins the VP state.

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Speaker 13: I mean Bush won Wyoming, but it's not because Dick

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Speaker 13: Cheney was on the ticket. That is just not a

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Speaker 13: way that anyone who's really intimate with this process makes

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Speaker 13: their calculus. The vice presidential pick probably will have limited impact.

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Speaker 13: Trump was right about that the other day, but to

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Speaker 13: the extent it has impact, it's really a feeling that

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Speaker 13: voters will get about who Harris is and how they

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Speaker 13: feel about her. That is what Walls's job is to do,

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Speaker 13: is to create an image of her, and I think

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Speaker 13: that kind of friendly, ubuncular, future, orient and optimistic feel

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Speaker 13: is what they're going for, and I think they picked

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Speaker 13: the right guy in that regard.

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Speaker 5: Will we see a vice presidential debate?

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Speaker 13: I hope so. I think Walls against Vance would be fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 13: Vance is a smart guy. I'm sure he's an accomplished debater,

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Speaker 13: but Walls has shown I think the reason that he

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Speaker 13: shot up the charts in the VP race initially was

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Speaker 13: because he goes on cable television and he just has

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Speaker 13: this incredibly appealing presence and the things that he says

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Speaker 13: and does are really compelling. And as you noted at

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Speaker 13: the top, he'd kind of coined the idea that these

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Speaker 13: guys are weird. And I really like the matchup of

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Speaker 13: Walls versus Vance in a.

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Speaker 3: Debate, So we'll see if we get that one. We'll

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Speaker 3: still see if we get Donald Trump and Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: sharing a stage. She of course agreed to appear in

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Speaker 3: the debate that Donald Trump initially agreed to on September

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Speaker 3: tenth on ABC. He now wants to debate on Fox

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Speaker 3: on September fourth. Matt, if you were the Harris campaign

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Speaker 3: or if you were advising them, should they go ahead

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Speaker 3: and show up and do that debate on Fox? What

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Speaker 3: is the strategy that you would suggest here?

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Speaker 13: You know, I don't know what they're going to do,

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Speaker 13: but I hope they do it.

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Speaker 8: I mean, she would.

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Speaker 13: Dismantle Donald Trump. The thing that Kamala Harris is best

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Speaker 13: at is standing up and prosecuting the case against a

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Speaker 13: bad guy. I mean, that's who she is. She's a prosecutor.

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Speaker 13: She's very good at it. We saw her do it

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Speaker 13: on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Trump, as we all know,

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Speaker 13: just lies his way and bullies his way through these debates.

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Speaker 13: As long as she could get a word in edgewise,

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Speaker 13: and if they turn off the microphones the way they

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Speaker 13: did in the Biden debate, she could. I think she

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Speaker 13: would have her way with Donald Trump. So I hope

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Speaker 13: she does it on Fox, on ABC, anywhere the two

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Speaker 13: can meet.

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Speaker 5: We spent a lot of time talking Matt Bennett about

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Speaker 5: Third Party candidates. Going back to the no labels situation,

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Speaker 5: Third Way was deeply invested. More recently, it's been Rfkage Junior.

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Speaker 5: And there's an update to a story that we were

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Speaker 5: talking about around this time yesterday, the fact that he

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Speaker 5: chose to dispose of a dead bear cub in Central

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Speaker 5: Park while he was on his way to a dinner

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Speaker 5: at Peter Luger Steakhouse. Kind of a long story, but

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Speaker 5: it's a real one. He told it himself online to

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Speaker 5: Roseanne of all people, yesterday. Leave it to the crack

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Speaker 5: reporters in Manhattan. We have learned that the the state's

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Speaker 5: environmental conservation law has a statute of limitations, and OURFK

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Speaker 5: Junior will not be charged. I guess we can say

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Speaker 5: clearly now and honestly that Joe Biden will not be

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Speaker 5: asked to pardon our FK Junior for this crime. An

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Speaker 5: appropriate end here to this story.

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Speaker 13: Probably, I don't know that he should go to jail

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Speaker 13: for this, but I mean, the guy is a complete whacko,

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Speaker 13: and I think it's very important for voters to understand

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Speaker 13: that this is not his dad, he's not.

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Speaker 7: His uncle or either of his uncles.

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Speaker 13: He is a person of his own and he has

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Speaker 13: some very weird ideas about all kinds of things. But

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Speaker 13: if you gave AI computers a thousand years, that couldn't

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Speaker 13: have written a story this strange. He is a very

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Speaker 13: odd dug.

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Speaker 3: I think we just found someone else in the weird

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Speaker 3: category that you've thrown that word out for more than

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Speaker 3: just JD Vance and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Like Governor how along this campaign is a going concern well, and.

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Speaker 3: It also becomes the question we've debated this for months now, Matt,

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Speaker 3: whether or not the poll is from what was the

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden campaign now the Paris Walls campaign versus the

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Speaker 3: Trump Dvance campaign. What effect, if anything RFK Junior on

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Speaker 3: the ballots that he is on will have in November

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Speaker 3: if he makes it that far.

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Speaker 13: You know, it's a really good question, Kley. And we

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Speaker 13: just don't know exactly which sidle draw from. We may

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Speaker 13: never know. We're talking about very small numbers of the

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Speaker 13: electorate spread out all over the country, So the only

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Speaker 13: voters that really matter are the ones in swing states

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Speaker 13: who decide to vote third party. And some of them

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Speaker 13: are going to be motivated because they're like super anti VAXX,

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Speaker 13: and they are attracted to Kennedy and they wouldn't vote

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Speaker 13: for either candidate either way. Those voters really are irrelevant.

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Speaker 13: The people who matter are the ones who otherwise would

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Speaker 13: vote for one of the major party candidates. And I

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Speaker 13: think since Harris took over in this race, the number

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Speaker 13: of people who call themselves double haters who don't like

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Speaker 13: either candidate has gone way down, and so the risk,

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Speaker 13: I think has gone down as well, not to zero,

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Speaker 13: still a real risk, and we're still focused on it,

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Speaker 13: but it's not as bad.

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Speaker 8: As it was.

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Speaker 5: He's vying for it still. On Twitter, producer James just

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Speaker 5: produced a post from x RFK Junior America's political divide.

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Speaker 5: He writes sharpens with the pick of Tim Walls for DEMVP.

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Speaker 5: He called Trump supporters fascist and weird, and they in

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Speaker 5: turn are calling him worse than that. Hashtag Kennedy twenty

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Speaker 5: four Matt Bennett. I guess we're not done talking about

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Speaker 5: all three of these campaigns. He's at Third Way executive

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Speaker 5: vice president Mac. Great to see you and thank you

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Speaker 5: for the insights.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to. The Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast catches

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Speaker 5: The big news we were waiting for. It came a

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Speaker 5: little later than we were waiting for. I was checking

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Speaker 5: the air with Tom Keane. Still no name, but it

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Speaker 5: leaked finally to the media, making us wonder after CNNAAP

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Speaker 5: got their hands on this, whether she was planning to

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Speaker 5: roll this out on stage at Temple University, or how

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Speaker 5: exactly the thing was supposed to work. There never was

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Speaker 5: a Twitter video as we expected, but it's done. Tim

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Speaker 5: Walls the headline on the terminal Harris taps Minnesota's Walls

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Speaker 5: for ticket in Rust Belt play, even though we're talking

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Speaker 5: more lately about the sun Belt, which is interesting. I

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Speaker 5: should note, by the way, if you were with us earlier,

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Speaker 5: I was asking about whether Governor Shapiro was going to

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Speaker 5: be their producer. Ceci says he is scheduled to appear

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Speaker 5: and deliver remarks, which should be interesting to hear the

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Speaker 5: way he approaches this following his statement earlier. So who

947
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Speaker 5: is Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota with rural sensibility,

948
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Speaker 5: six term congressman, coach, teacher, member of the Army National Guard,

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Speaker 5: started to become known to people two Sundays ago when

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Speaker 5: he appeared on CNN and showed up with the word weird.

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Speaker 5: Here he is.

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Speaker 4: People kept talking about, Look, Donald Trump is going to

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Speaker 4: put women's lives at risk. That's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is potentially going to end constitutional liberties that

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Speaker 4: we have, end voting. I do believe all those things

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Speaker 4: are a real possibility, but it gives him way too

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Speaker 4: much power. Listen to the guy he's talking about Hannibal

958
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Speaker 4: Lecter and shocking sharks and just whatever crazy thing pops

959
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Speaker 4: into his mind. And I thought, we just give him

960
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Speaker 4: way too much credit.

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Speaker 5: Shocking sharks. They were wearing He's not Weird t shirts

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Speaker 5: at the Walls rally last night. And this is where

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Speaker 5: we start our conversation with Brad Howard, founder President Corkoran

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Speaker 5: Street Group, democratic strategist. I called you a brawler earlier, Brad.

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Speaker 5: I hope that's okay, because I wanted to talk with

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Speaker 5: somebody who knows what it's like to get into the

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Speaker 5: fight and the fight starts today. First, just broadly this selection.

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Speaker 5: I know that the progressive left did not like the

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Speaker 5: idea of Josh Shapiro. They love this idea. Was this

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Speaker 5: the right choice?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely?

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Speaker 14: I think Governor Waltz has shown an ability to appeal

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Speaker 14: to rule Americans. I think he's shown ability to fight

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Speaker 14: for families when he was governor. I think he's going

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Speaker 14: to be a fantastic vice president. And so we have

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Speaker 14: Governor Shapiro. I mean, the fact that these two were

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Speaker 14: the top two choices show the diversity of the ticket,

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Speaker 14: both in geography, ideology, and approach to governing.

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Speaker 8: And let's be very.

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Speaker 14: Clear that Governor Shapiro is still on the ticket. He's

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Speaker 14: on the Democratic ticket, and he's going to work his

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Speaker 14: heart out in Pennsylvania to ensure the commonwealth goes or

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Speaker 14: the Harris Waltz ticket. And this is probably the most

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Speaker 14: pro family ticket we have seen in decades from either party.

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Speaker 14: And so while Donald Trump and Jade Vance are focusing

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Speaker 14: on their extreme weird maga agenda, you're going to see

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris and Tim Waalts with family's front and center.

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Speaker 5: You're of course going to hear about how he is

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Speaker 5: a radical leftist from the Trump campaign, and that's that's

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Speaker 5: the job of the Trump campaign saying the same thing

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Speaker 5: about Kamala Harris. But there's an undercurrent here, Brad, that

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Speaker 5: we have to acknowledge. On the Hugh Hewitt Show, jd Vance,

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Speaker 5: of course, Donald Trump's running mate, was asked, Hugh Hewitt says,

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Speaker 5: if it's not Josh Shapiro, that's because he'll be Jewish

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Speaker 5: and because he's a supporter of Israel. What does that

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Speaker 5: tell you about the Democratic Party if it's not Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 5: Jd Vance said, quote, if it's not Josh Shapiro, I

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Speaker 5: agree with you. I think that they will have not

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Speaker 5: picked Shapiro frankly out of anti Semitism in their own

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Speaker 5: caucus and in their own party. That is a direct quote,

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Speaker 5: and that's part of the narrative that's already on the

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Speaker 5: campaign trail. Brad. How should Kamala Harris answer that? Knowing

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Speaker 5: that there were progressives who thought that Josh Shapiro had

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Speaker 5: the wrong ideas about Israel policy and was not sympathetic

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Speaker 5: enough with Palestinians living in Gaza Go.

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Speaker 14: The answer this question is Tamala Harris, and I think

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Speaker 14: it actually shows how much she respects and appreciates Josh

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Speaker 14: Shapiro and his ads time in public service and his

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Speaker 14: position in the issues.

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Speaker 8: By elevating him to you know, the runner up here essentially.

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Speaker 14: I mean, if it were this would truly a problem

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Speaker 14: anti Semitism, she would have never put him in the

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Speaker 14: top two. That's just a ridiculous assertion paying a boy

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris whose husband is Jewish, you know.

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Speaker 8: And so this is just the far.

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Speaker 14: Right again trying to bully people into doing certain things.

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Speaker 14: They were trying to bully Kamala into making a decision

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Speaker 14: the head of ahead of her making that decision. There's

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Speaker 14: only one person who can make this decision. That's Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 14: She's gonna make a lot of decisions between now and

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Speaker 14: November and when she's elected president, when she takes the

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Speaker 14: love of office in January. And again it is just

1023
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Speaker 14: more bullying from the far right and the Trump people.

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Speaker 14: They are spiraling after their disastrous pick of Jade Vance

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Speaker 14: as vice president.

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Speaker 8: I've never seen a vice president.

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Speaker 14: Vice president will roll out go so poorly, usually get

1028
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Speaker 14: a bump after convention, have a double digit decline and

1029
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Speaker 14: drop just showcases the American people don't want what Trump

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Speaker 14: and Jadie Vans are serving.

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Speaker 5: Well, there was also you talk about the bullying. There

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Speaker 5: was a little bit of bullying inside of the party.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Brad what you were hearing, but you've

1034
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Speaker 5: got Sean Fame going on on Sunday morning talking about

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Speaker 5: Joshapiro not friendly to union labor, he was in favor

1036
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Speaker 5: of vouchers, that a wrong education policy. John Fetterman out

1037
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Speaker 5: there saying he's too ambitious, He's going to try to

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Speaker 5: primary in twenty twenty eight. The knives kind of came

1039
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Speaker 5: out for the governor, didn't they.

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Speaker 8: Well, I would bully. I saw that a campaign.

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Speaker 14: I mean, the reason why she did this process the

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Speaker 14: way she did and presenting options for voters and Democrats

1043
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Speaker 14: across the country was so they could share their opinions

1044
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Speaker 14: and their voices. There were some concerns about, you know,

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Speaker 14: Governor Walts, there's some concerns about no matter who you pick,

1046
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Speaker 14: that were some concerns.

1047
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Speaker 8: But the only qubilication that matters.

1048
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Speaker 14: Is this this person ready to be president should something

1049
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Speaker 14: happen to the president. And when you look at Governor Walts,

1050
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Speaker 14: he's a member of Congress, he's an Army National Guard.

1051
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Speaker 14: He was a teacher football coach, and it's very successful

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Speaker 14: governor of Minnesota. And by the way US News a

1053
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Speaker 14: whole report ranks Minnesota is the fourth best state in

1054
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Speaker 14: the country to live. And so he's got he's got

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Speaker 14: a strong resume. Josh Shapiro is a valued member of

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Speaker 14: the Democratic Party. He will be on the ticket running

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Speaker 14: on the Democratic ticket in Comonwealth of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 8: He's got a bright future head of him.

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Speaker 14: But I think it just shows how much she valued

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Speaker 14: what he brought to the table by making him, you know,

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Speaker 14: bringing him into the top two.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm guessing you want him to debate jd Vance.

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Speaker 5: That's partly why she picked him, isn't that anything?

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 14: Trump is running scared from Kamala Harris, you know, to

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Speaker 14: cancelor debate you would already agreed to and then demanded

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Speaker 14: me on the super Friendly Audience by Fox News.

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Speaker 8: Is hilarious to me. I just think it just shows

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Speaker 8: the weakness.

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Speaker 14: Of Donald Trump and that anytime he's genuinely challenged in

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Speaker 14: any kind of substante way, he runs away from the fight.

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Speaker 14: And Kamala Harris has shown every step of the way

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Speaker 14: of her career, that she's ready for the fight.

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Speaker 8: She's going to prosecute the case against Donald Trump. She's

1075
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Speaker 8: not going to couch her support for families. But you know,

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Speaker 8: and and then that you saw that.

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Speaker 14: She picked Tim wants to do so. So this is

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Speaker 14: an election that I'm fired up about. I think Democrats

1079
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Speaker 14: have a great message and we've got a great pathway

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Speaker 14: with victory in November.

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Speaker 5: I know you're a fighter, a fighter, Brad Howard, but

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Speaker 5: what is the impact what will be the impact of

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Speaker 5: Minnesota nice on this campaign?

1084
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, there's been Western nice.

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Speaker 14: I think we all know it can cut two ways.

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Speaker 14: He with a smile that's very effective and sometimes even

1087
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Speaker 14: more brutal than you know, a direct attack straight to you.

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Speaker 14: I've got a lot of friends within West. I'm familiar

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Speaker 14: with it.

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Speaker 8: I'm Southern. We we were kind of expert at that uh.

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Speaker 14: And so I think what you'll see is a very effective,

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Speaker 14: a very effective uh way of presenting the contrast with

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Speaker 14: Jamie Vans and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: And you know, I mean he's got a lot of credit.

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Speaker 14: Recording the term weird, and it just is when you

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Speaker 14: look at what they're trying to do, they're actually trying

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Speaker 14: to take away freedoms from people and from families, the

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Speaker 14: freedom of women to make the healthcare decisions, the freedom

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Speaker 14: from families to raise their kids and support their kids in.

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Speaker 8: The way that they feel is in the best way

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Speaker 8: for their kids.

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Speaker 14: To remove books out of libraries that they don't think

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Speaker 14: kids should be reading. I mean, this is again, and

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Speaker 14: you've got governor of Santa's in Florida bullying Diusney because

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Speaker 14: they're not doing exactly what he wants them to do. Politically,

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Speaker 14: you know, the Publican Party is no longer the party

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Speaker 14: that supports you know, corporate America and.

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Speaker 8: The free market system. They don't want a free market system.

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Speaker 14: They want a heavy handed system that they control the

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Speaker 14: morals and the values in the future decisions of these

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Speaker 14: companies as long as the lines.

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Speaker 8: With their political viewpoint. That's not the America we want

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Speaker 8: to know.

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Speaker 5: Man, we got Brad on a good day around here.

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Speaker 5: This is excellent, all right. So if just lastly, last minute,

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Speaker 5: if the Harris campaign is labeling the Trump camp weird,

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Speaker 5: are they also saying that Tim Walls is normal? Is

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Speaker 5: that the campaign weird versus normal?

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Speaker 14: I think what they're saying is the ideas in the

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Speaker 14: way in which they're talking about the issues of this

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Speaker 14: campaign are weird, Like how does Hannibal and Shocking Sharks

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Speaker 14: ever get into the rhetoric of the campaign?

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Speaker 8: Trip and Jamie Vance yetting at.

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Speaker 14: His son to shut out when he's on the phone,

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Speaker 14: Why son's talking about pokemon? Like these are just weird

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Speaker 14: things to be bringing up voluntarily. It's not like the

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris had an opera book and they pulled this

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Speaker 14: out of it. They brought it up themselves. It's just

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Speaker 14: very weird things. Like as a manager, I would tell

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Speaker 14: my candidate like, don't alwa to say things that are

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Speaker 14: going to pull attention away from your message and your policy.

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Speaker 14: Can anyone tell me what the message and the policy

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Speaker 14: was coming out of the R and C. No, it

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Speaker 14: was just kind of a weird rambling speech from the

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Speaker 14: nominee that went on for way too long and I

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Speaker 14: think kind of ruined. Otherwise, was a pretty good convention, Joe,

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Speaker 14: you and I were there. It was a long run

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Speaker 14: comic convention. They were seamless and efficient and enthusiastic, and

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Speaker 14: it just kind of ended on this weird note.

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Speaker 8: And that's how they entered the general election. So you know,

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Speaker 8: I just think that you look at Democrats, we were

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Speaker 8: putting policy front and center.

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Speaker 14: Kamala Harris every single speech is talking about reprotect her freedom.

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Speaker 14: She was talking about letting you raise your kids the

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Speaker 14: way you want to raise your is giving you things

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Speaker 14: like make use your kids have food on the table

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Speaker 14: for breakfast and much when they're at school, so that

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Speaker 14: they don't you can't focus on learning if you're hungry,

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Speaker 14: like little things. Giving kids the freedom to live their

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Speaker 14: lives as kids, to learn and to have a bright future.

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Speaker 8: That's put it's take in the selection.

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Speaker 5: Never even got to the diet Mountain Dew, Brad, we

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Speaker 5: just ran out of time. Get some bread's had a

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Speaker 5: diet d It's great to see he's the founder of

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