WEBVTT - Color Me Sensitive (with Propaganda) 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.400 I would tend to agree that, like, there's there's a 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:06.880 couple of hurdles you gotta jump with the white mama. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:10.799 You're some hurdles. Your mom plays such a major part 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.640 in the character that you built, and a white mom 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.160 is that's it's a battle. I ain't saying it's bad, 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.000 but it's something you got. It's yeah, it's it's what 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.040 I'm saying. It's it's it's a hurdle you gotta jump, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:27.560 like she gotta be like exceptional at like for for 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.600 for you to not come out too weird. You know, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.680 you gotta be exceptional. It's drizzy Drake. That's a white mom. 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:44.640 If I've ever seen one weird. You know, chips in 0:00:44.720 --> 0:01:02.000 your quality, racists, money stuff, you can't tell me bang 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.319 bang bang skeet skeet skeet. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.199 you already know what the funk time it is. It's 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.160 time for my mama told me the podcast where we 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.320 died deep deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.679 and we finally work to prove that Steph Curry is 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.880 a goddamn targarian. Ain't nobody meant to have eyes that 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.640 light unless they fought a dragon. Those are That's just facts, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.920 ladies and gentlemen. Goddamn facts. There's no reason to dispute it. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.400 I'm your host, Langston Kerman. I'm coming in hot as 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.640 always that you know. I'm coming at my boy Steph 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.840 Curry and his beautiful, gorgeous night eyes. He's a goddamn 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.959 weird looking guy, but I like it. I'm into what 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.000 he's got going on and and goddamn it, I'm having 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.200 a good day. I'm hot a ship I shouldn't award 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.440 as zody, but otherwise I'm at peace. Anyway. You didn't 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.720 need that information. You can't see me. You're at home. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.080 You're listening to this weird preamble that has nothing to 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.320 do with the way that I should introduce a person 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.760 to you, the listener at home. But goddamn, do I 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.440 have a good guest today. He's dope. He's a rapper, 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.560 he's a poet, he's an author, and he has a 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.639 brand new podcast. It just came out a few weeks ago. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.959 It's called Hip Politics. It's here on I Heart Radio. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.640 You're gonna love him. Please give it up for my 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.720 cast propaganda. What's up? Dog? This is facts? And Steph 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.000 Curry is definitely a topic of our conspiracy theory today. Oh, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:31.720 he touches it, he's in there. I believe it and 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:37.160 man were born in a laboratory, nobody say, or just 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:43.440 just missing white blood cells with all the dark cells. Yeah, 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.000 especially the idea that him and Lebron were born in 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:50.560 the same hospital. I'm like, you mean hatched. Yeah, that 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.800 is weird that that somehow these two freaks of very 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.760 different nature very managed to exist in a singular spaces. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:05.600 That's that's rep very and proof of concept. Sure, all right, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.600 you're already touching on it. Let's jump in. You came 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:14.000 to me with a conspiracy theory that upset me to 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.280 no end. I would have mane, it made me mad, furious, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:23.680 I'd say, you said, my mama told me light skinned 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:31.640 people are sensitive. This is correct. Tell me more. Well, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:40.680 so there's my anecdotal experience, there's my just baggage from childhood, 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:46.160 all right, yo say, and then there's the the quintessential 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.360 understanding of what we all like to call light skinned 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.640 eyes m M. And when you do the light skinned eyes, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.240 it's proof you're telling the whole world that you got 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.520 feelings and can't nobody do them unless you light skinned. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:06.160 Nobody else can do the light skinned eyes like light skin. Well, okay, 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.440 let's let's start by explaining, because some of our listeners 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.560 may not be familiar, we have some whitey's that tuned in. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.440 So give the folks at home that need the information, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.760 what exactly are light skinned? Okay, so flashback to like 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.600 Shy Joe to see just the black boy band craze 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.159 of the most attractive guy and all of these things. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.320 What's what's the light skin do? He would do this 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.080 thing where he would light skinned eyes is when you 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.560 would squint but also raise your eyebrows in a way 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.599 that I just don't know how physically you got your 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.880 face to do that. And but for something, he lick 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.080 your lips like l l and it was just like 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.520 it was like, this is a cheat code. This is 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.160 a cheat code that nobody else in the culture got 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.320 and it just made me feel like, okay, and you 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.960 can't call him on it because they get sensitive. Well, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.120 let's let's be clear. It sounds like you and you're 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.440 feelings a little bit about these life skinning eyes. I'm 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.520 not gonna I'm not gonna bite my tongue because you're 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.000 coming at my people, my community. I told you I 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.240 had baggage, and I started off by saying I had baggage. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.800 Now I it's crazy. I just finished the pot for 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.520 the straight no Chaser show. And you know, because she 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.520 deal with politics and hood ship too, right, so she 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.440 was kind of she was like banging on me, like, yo, 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:25.040 where are you from? You know this? And it so 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.880 like I was trying to explain to her that, like, well, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.120 I grew up on the borderlands between black and Latino neighborhoods. 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.760 I was from the east side of South Central so 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.640 most of my neighbors were Mexican. So if that's the case, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:44.159 who were they more akin to and attracted to? Were 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.480 the light skinned dudes. So when I fell in love 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.680 with Yolanda Gonzalez, you know what I'm saying, I'm a 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.080 little too dark. You feel me landa like if she 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.680 was gonna like a black dude, it was the light 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.039 skinning one, you know what I'm saying. So when you 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.000 live in these like its cultural spaces, because y'all are like, 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.279 y'all like interesting, you like, at least to everybody else, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.919 y'all black with an asterisk. Now we knew you know 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.320 what I'm saying. We knew like the rest of us, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.719 you know what I'm saying, But to the rest of 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.360 the world, it was like, oh they get he get 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.120 a pass because you know what I'm saying, he light skinned, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.640 you know, yeah, are I feel like our black is 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.400 like when they when they put those like the foam 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.400 art in the coffee, you know what I mean, Like 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.320 it's still coffee, but it's still still something in there 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.560 that people are like, this is exciting, it's it's sucking coffee. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.240 But you know they don't know. You don't understand that 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:40.040 that's an espresso up under that. You know I'm saying. Okay, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.680 So so you see Yolanda, You're like, man, I want 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.080 to be with Yolanda. Yolanda is not kicking that same 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.320 energy back to you because you don't fall within her 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.839 expectations of what ay quote unquote handsome person is. You 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.800 know what I'm saying, Because she looking at she looking 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.640 at Brandon over there, who I know, Brandon just light skinned, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.120 but he looked Puerto Rican. If Brandon learned some spect this, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.200 she could pull it off, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.600 So we got the curly hair, you know what I mean, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.040 some freckles you feel me so like he could pull 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.800 it off, you know. And it was a part of 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.160 my baggage that almost like again, I'm black. My father 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.760 was a black panther, so I love being black. But 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.600 I was in this Latino hood. So I used to 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.160 think the cheat code was being Puerto Rican because you 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.120 get to be both. So I was like, I wish 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.520 I was Puerto Rican because then I'm like that black 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.800 different you know what I'm saying. They got curly hair 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.119 and they speak Spanish like this. This seemed like the wind. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.760 Like I said, I got baggage. Feel okay, So this 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.920 this baggage and I love that. I love the idea 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.080 of like, damn, I wish I was Puerto Ricans at 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:47.040 tight that go to home coming with me if Puerto 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.960 Rican core all right, So, so you recognize at least 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.880 that like there's a difference in the way that you're 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.560 being seen the way that you're being treated. At what 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.520 point does it become sensitivity in your mind? At what 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.800 point are you identifying light skinned people? I assume it's 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:10.160 men and women are more sensitive than their darker skinned counterparts. Yes, now, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.840 trying to keep this comedy because I'm also psychoanalyzing myself 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.880 as I talk. Now, I'll break it down. Man, Sometimes 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.320 this ship gets sad and we like that too, Yes, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.920 because I'm like, I'm I'm clearly not in this state 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:27.400 anymore like this. I don't think like this anymore, y'all. Okay, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:33.000 just like preamble, I'm fine, I'm healed. They healed. I've 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:38.480 learned my errors. But the idea is like I can't. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.480 I can't roast y'all because it's like, y'all get to 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.280 you feel like these people trying to prove they black, 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.040 so you or you're trying to prove you not black. 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.640 So they just felt to me like there was such 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.840 an over compensation. You know what I'm saying, which I 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.400 know now is because mixed race has very there's no 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.079 space in our culture for a mixed race, you know 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.760 what I'm saying. We have no categories for this there. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.840 So there's definitely identity crisis that comes from a longer 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:08.920 history of racial tension and trauma. You know what I'm 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.199 saying that when you when you fourteen, you don't know 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.400 you know what I'm saying. So so you fourteen and 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.280 it's like you know what I'm saying, like, why are 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:22.600 you trying to either overcompensate with what seemed like performative hoodness. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.520 You know what I'm saying, And I can't call you 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.240 on the ship just like you sound corny, like you 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.240 know what I'm saying, like why are you talking like this? 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.040 Why are you doing all this extra ship? You know 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.800 what I'm and and if I talk to you about it, 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.440 you get super defensive, you know what I'm saying. Or 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.760 the other way around. It seemed like again white people 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.160 come around. It felt like to me you were separating 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.160 yourself from our culture and trying to up your white side. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.960 And it just felt to me like, man, you just 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.199 you can't have it both ways, big dog, Like you 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:51.520 know what I'm saying. You want all the all the 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.640 benefits of being from our culture, but not none of 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.920 the pain, because when it's time for the pain, you 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.360 know what I'm saying. You went to the other lunch 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.040 table and I was like, and I can't say nothing 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:03.960 to you about it because you get all you get 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.760 all hurt. You feel me and like so to me, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.280 I was like, man, y'all just sense it. I can't 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:09.880 talk to you about nothing. You know what I'm saying, 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.400 then get just getting defensive, like you know, y'all got 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.679 good hair, you know what I'm saying, like whatever, stuff 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.000 like that, and it's not good here are black. You 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.000 know what it's like. But listen, can you just like 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.520 your hair is different what you want me to say? Homy, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.200 like you know so well, so you're you're speaking to 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.880 I think a number of important things here and there 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.320 is like this constant and I always think it's corny 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.800 when when makes people go I just don't know where 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.640 I belonged. That the weights they didn't accept me, the 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.800 black people they didn't like me either, And it's sort 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.800 of like all right, dog, I don't know, be yourself. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:49.000 But that said, I think that whether whether fair or unfair, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.720 that feeling of not belonging does sort of prompt a 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.160 lot of the reactions that we equate with like light 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.400 skin behavior, right that like you are hella defend pensive 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.640 about a bunch of stuff that maybe other people would 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.520 be like, I don't know, move on, be cool, bro, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.439 for real, for real, That's exactly it. You know what 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:14.199 I'm saying, And like you just just you know, traditional 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:20.000 definitions beauty and just all of that now as an adult, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.760 like I see it now, sure, But at the time 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.920 you just you have no yeah, you just have no 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.400 categories for it, you know, Yeah, which is where I 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:35.640 guess terms like good hair and good like whatever, qualifying 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.040 like terms we have come from, right, We're not. We 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.200 get older and we go, well, it's not good hair 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.840 is just different hair. It's just a qualitative difference. Where 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.360 But instead at the time we're like, no, no, no 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.160 one is better than the other one, that yours is 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.680 somehow better there was And there's a part of you 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.280 as like somebody on the darker you, like myself, that 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:03.800 feels like, hey, you know, I don't understand what's so 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.200 hard about this. There's no such thing as a dark 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:11.839 scanned white person, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.440 only light scanned black people. Sure you're black. I don't 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.959 understand what the problem is, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:21.480 And then again, growing up in a Latino space, I'm 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.840 looking across the table at like one Carlo Ramirez, and 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.599 I'm like, you black as I am. You think that 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.160 black people didn't go to Mexico. I'm like, I'm looking, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.080 I'm looking at your grandfather, right, now I'm like, he's 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.120 a black man work from Mexico. I'm like, you think 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.560 black people in Mexico like trans Atlantic slade trade dog, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.280 you know what I'm saying. I'm like, better cruise like 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:49.600 that was that some American right, Like we sort of 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.800 get taught in a really shitty way that America is 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.520 kind of the only place that did slavery and the 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.120 only place black people ever immigrated or were taken and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.680 brock to. So it's like, Yo, if your parents aren't 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.440 from or your grandparents aren't from the South, then you 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.560 have no sense of any history beyond them, And that 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.160 is blackness to be unaware of your history. Whereas like 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.040 if a motherfucker can point to where they're from, nigger, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:20.520 I ain't black. I'm from there. That Dominican y. Yeah. Yeah, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.559 And that's and it's hurtful, you know what I'm saying. Like, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:24.800 as from my perspective, I was like, this is really 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.480 hurtful because I'm like, first of all, I mean, is 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.040 there a hidden camera, Like have you looked in the mirror, 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:35.240 Like my Dominican brother, I'm like, you are black, Like 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.360 I'm not robbing you from your Dominican heritage. I'm just saying, like, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.480 what the what the hell? You? What is we? Like? 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.640 What is the Scott Blue? Like you're a black man 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:53.120 colors real quick into ethnic background exactly all the other 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.880 jazz that comes with that. So you're identifying these sort 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.560 of light skin traits and people the squint, the eyes, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:07.240 over sensitivity, the sensitive R and B singers. Sure, unless 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.200 you can hear all of that, does that make you 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.880 resent light skinned people? Are you mad at us for 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.920 our behavior? Are you sort of recognizing that we got 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.600 some ship to deal with? I was, and it was 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.440 like I was mad, but it was like eighth grade mad, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.920 you know what I'm saying. Were you really not mad? 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.840 You don't know? You're not mad at them? You're mad 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.480 at America, you know what I'm saying. But you don't 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.160 know you're mad at America yet you feel me? Yeah, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.880 you know, but you don't know yet, you know, so 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.680 you know, And now it's like we'k a kid about it, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.000 you know what I'm saying, And just like the ship 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.760 we're doing now, all that comes with that, But like 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.960 the reality is at the time, Yeah, you're mad, You're jealous, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.120 you know what I'm saying. And because that type of 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.520 black is being affirmed, you know, and there's like there's 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:02.880 nothing I can do to somehow fit that you feel me. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.600 So for me, a part of like just even the 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.800 hair you see on my head now, part of the dreadlocks, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.920 you know, was like a rebellion against that was like, Okay, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.160 if I can't do this, I'm gonna go all the 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.440 way to other way. Right, I'm gonna lock my hair. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:22.520 I ain't never gonna squint wide open, stay whoke, say 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:27.240 squint squint for light skin. Yeah, I get that. I 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.920 do think it's such a it's such an interesting thing 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.640 that I think happens in in black culture in general. Right, 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.320 is that like we've been placed in a position where 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:41.160 there are so many spots, so few spots to to 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.120 be celebrated, to be recognized, to be affirmed, as you 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.720 put it. And so when you're seeing the people that 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.640 are sort of in a weird way able to subvert 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.360 their blackness, but they also be propped up as like 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.640 the stars of the show, it has to be a 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.160 super are frustrating thing to be like, that's who y'all picked, 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.760 This is the one that you're gonna make the star 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:10.680 of the whole game. That's crazy. Yeah, totally. It's frustrating 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.960 to me. It just really is, It just really is, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.920 and it's and ultimately it was like I'm really I'm hurt. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:21.480 I'm processing internalized racism. You're processing self. Hey, you don't 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.040 know you are, but all I know is I can't 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.960 stand Brandon right that at its scores. Really, I think 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.200 how we get to solving some of the colorism and 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.880 sort of like uh in fighting that happens in the 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.720 black community, is we just gotta pick the motherfucker's we 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.720 don't like. As opposed to sitting around talking about like 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.640 the general idea of each representative group and all that stuff. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.600 Let's just talk about Brandon. Let's keep our eyes and 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.360 exactly yes. And you know it's like you I think 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:01.000 of like the invention of Tyrese, you know that, like 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.639 Coca Cola baby brought us back riding on that bus. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.760 You know what I'm saying, He brought us back. And 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.400 I didn't realize again until I was an adult, like 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.919 why I was like, oh, yeah, I needed him, you know, 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.880 in a in a weird, twisted sort of way, like 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.119 am I needed this dude? You know what I'm saying? 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.760 As like just images of beauty and and what's crazy 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.600 is this? Like so my current wife, you know, I 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.679 mean I didn't meet runtil we was, you know, adults. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.040 And my wife's my wife's a first gen Mexican woman, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.880 And she said she never thought about it till after 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:37.919 she got married. That like when she was in high school, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:42.800 she had a Tyres calendar. She was already in the dark. Brothers, 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:54.000 I didn't know. She didn't know either, all right, So okay, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.640 here's a question that I have that I've always been 0:17:56.680 --> 0:18:00.360 curious about. When do you think the waves happened? Right? 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.240 So there there are always these arguments that happened culturally 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.160 where they're like, man, light skin dudes are out, dark 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.720 skinned dudes are in. Dark skinned dudes are out, light 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.280 skin dudes are in. Where where would you mark those 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.600 waves that So you're saying Tyrese is a is a 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.879 clear marker? Yeah, I would say period. Yeah, pre that, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.520 you know is when the light skin dudes was running 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.280 the world. It was cosby showing a different world. You know, 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.159 the two choices that Rudy Huxtable had, you know, she 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.600 chose the lighter boy, you know what I'm saying. And 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.240 then on a different world, the light skinttingigg with the dreads. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.239 They ended up being in Janet Jackson's videos like just 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:44.240 this gorgeous man, you know what I'm saying. And yeah, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.480 so then Ta Digs, you know what I'm saying. Morris Chestnuts, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.680 all these brothers had this wave. You feel you brought 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.760 us back Omar and the Best Man. That's it, the 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.679 Best Man universe. Really really let y'all live for us, 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.320 let us in, and then entered shamar More and Boors 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.840 cool Jo and we were done. And then that leads 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.960 into like the Terrace Howards and just all this other 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.680 stuff that was just like, yeah, we can't. Yeah, I 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.520 will say that at the point that they made shamar 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:19.040 More the host of Soul Train, it felt like, man, 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:25.639 y'all really right, y'all got a break because yeah, and 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.320 he's beautiful, Like there's no other way around that. That 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.679 man is beautiful. A goddamn weirdo, but he is weird 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.000 as hell good to look at. Yeah, yeah, okay, so 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.640 these waves you're recognizing where these waves exist and then 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:44.040 how at what point do you as an adult start 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.040 to to stop feeling these feelings of resentment and start 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.720 to like make peace with it. What happens in your 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.520 life where you're like, all right, I recognize that this 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.320 sensitivity that I'm I'm seeing in light skinned men's coming 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.840 from something real and not just them being like weirdos 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.000 and and I'm good. Yeah, I think it's you know, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:09.920 moving moving around, going off to college, you know, experiencing Africans, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.200 you know what I'm saying, and just meeting people from 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.840 just other parts of the world. I think having my 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.840 own sort of aesthetic affirmed, you know what I'm saying, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.000 kind of made me step back and go like, what 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:26.560 why was I so worried about what these forty people 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.879 thought about me? You know, it's to the point to 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.560 where I'm salty towards my own homie, Like I'm I'm 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.560 dragged Brandon, But Brandon was my homie. You Like, we're friends, 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.840 you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, why am 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.639 I salty over him? Like what did Brandon? Ain't do 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.600 nothing to me, you know what I'm saying, Like he's 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.800 my friend, you know, And then you just started, Yeah, 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.520 you just started. It's for me. It was college you 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.160 start asking yourself these questions, learning more about the world 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.720 around you and how you know what I'm saying, All 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:59.160 this stuff kind of plays into the bigger historical narrative 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.840 and what I've sort of internalized for myself, and just 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.040 start asking those questions. I mean, like, what do you mean, 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.320 you know, what is the diaspora? Like what do you 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.560 mean by that? Like, you know, are are they not? 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.359 Are these brothers and sisters not experiencing the same America 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.440 you're experiencing? And in some ways, but in a lot 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.000 of ways, yes, you know, like you are undermining the cause. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.040 You know what I'm saying. I like what you're saying. 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.479 I think it. It sort of makes me think in 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.359 a lot of ways. And I've had this feeling for 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.480 a while that I think the way that we talk 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.200 about representation is wrong, that like we we spend so 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.639 much time being like there's nobody that looks like me 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.120 on TV, and so I don't know how to feel 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.600 about myself And it's like, yeah, maybe, but more than that, 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.960 what you need to do is recognize that you are 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.399 represented in other parts of the world. You're represented in 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.240 a space greater than just television and like what's being 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.320 propped up on the internet and so like, until you 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.840 get the chance to see that, Like, yo, you exist 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.080 in this country, in this place, in these foreign sort 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.840 of like environments, then you are always going to be 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:10.520 speaking the next bors Cojoe or Morris Chestnut or whatever 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.439 it is that makes you feel affirmed in a in 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:17.520 an almost desperate kind of way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:21.920 that broader sense of the world, you know, like you said, 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:26.200 is like for for a young dude like me, was like, man, 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.840 that was invaluable just seeing the world bigger than where 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.320 I was. And like you said, what I saw on 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.680 TV because there's like, like you said, there's an entire 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.239 continent of dark skinned people on TV, Like you know, 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:40.960 like what do you you know? Now, You're right, maybe 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.480 we're underrepresented here, but here is not the whole world. 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:49.879 And yeah, so that's like super, that's dope. Yeah. Okay, 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.919 now let's get into some messy questions. Okay, let's just 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.600 be real. Who do you think is the greatest offender 0:22:55.720 --> 0:23:00.680 as a light skinned man woman? Who's one that really 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:03.480 you just see him? You're like this mother right here, 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:08.360