Speaker 1: I would tend to agree that, like, there's there's a
Speaker 1: couple of hurdles you gotta jump with the white mama.
Speaker 1: You're some hurdles. Your mom plays such a major part
Speaker 1: in the character that you built, and a white mom
Speaker 1: is that's it's a battle. I ain't saying it's bad,
Speaker 1: but it's something you got. It's yeah, it's it's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's it's it's a hurdle you gotta jump,
Speaker 1: like she gotta be like exceptional at like for for
Speaker 1: for you to not come out too weird. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta be exceptional. It's drizzy Drake. That's a white mom.
Speaker 1: If I've ever seen one weird. You know, chips in
Speaker 1: your quality, racists, money stuff, you can't tell me bang
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Speaker 1: you already know what the funk time it is. It's
Speaker 1: time for my mama told me the podcast where we
Speaker 1: died deep deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: and we finally work to prove that Steph Curry is
Speaker 1: a goddamn targarian. Ain't nobody meant to have eyes that
Speaker 1: light unless they fought a dragon. Those are That's just facts,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Goddamn facts. There's no reason to dispute it.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Langston Kerman. I'm coming in hot as
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Speaker 1: Curry and his beautiful, gorgeous night eyes. He's a goddamn
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Speaker 1: Curry is definitely a topic of our conspiracy theory today. Oh,
Speaker 1: he touches it, he's in there. I believe it and
Speaker 1: man were born in a laboratory, nobody say, or just
Speaker 1: just missing white blood cells with all the dark cells. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially the idea that him and Lebron were born in
Speaker 1: the same hospital. I'm like, you mean hatched. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is weird that that somehow these two freaks of very
Speaker 1: different nature very managed to exist in a singular spaces.
Speaker 1: That's that's rep very and proof of concept. Sure, all right,
Speaker 1: you're already touching on it. Let's jump in. You came
Speaker 1: to me with a conspiracy theory that upset me to
Speaker 1: no end. I would have mane, it made me mad, furious,
Speaker 1: I'd say, you said, my mama told me light skinned
Speaker 1: people are sensitive. This is correct. Tell me more. Well,
Speaker 1: so there's my anecdotal experience, there's my just baggage from childhood,
Speaker 1: all right, yo say, and then there's the the quintessential
Speaker 1: understanding of what we all like to call light skinned
Speaker 1: eyes m M. And when you do the light skinned eyes,
Speaker 1: it's proof you're telling the whole world that you got
Speaker 1: feelings and can't nobody do them unless you light skinned.
Speaker 1: Nobody else can do the light skinned eyes like light skin. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's start by explaining, because some of our listeners
Speaker 1: may not be familiar, we have some whitey's that tuned in.
Speaker 1: So give the folks at home that need the information,
Speaker 1: what exactly are light skinned? Okay, so flashback to like
Speaker 1: Shy Joe to see just the black boy band craze
Speaker 1: of the most attractive guy and all of these things.
Speaker 1: What's what's the light skin do? He would do this
Speaker 1: thing where he would light skinned eyes is when you
Speaker 1: would squint but also raise your eyebrows in a way
Speaker 1: that I just don't know how physically you got your
Speaker 1: face to do that. And but for something, he lick
Speaker 1: your lips like l l and it was just like
Speaker 1: it was like, this is a cheat code. This is
Speaker 1: a cheat code that nobody else in the culture got
Speaker 1: and it just made me feel like, okay, and you
Speaker 1: can't call him on it because they get sensitive. Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's be clear. It sounds like you and you're
Speaker 1: feelings a little bit about these life skinning eyes. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna bite my tongue because you're
Speaker 1: coming at my people, my community. I told you I
Speaker 1: had baggage, and I started off by saying I had baggage.
Speaker 1: Now I it's crazy. I just finished the pot for
Speaker 1: the straight no Chaser show. And you know, because she
Speaker 1: deal with politics and hood ship too, right, so she
Speaker 1: was kind of she was like banging on me, like, yo,
Speaker 1: where are you from? You know this? And it so
Speaker 1: like I was trying to explain to her that, like, well,
Speaker 1: I grew up on the borderlands between black and Latino neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: I was from the east side of South Central so
Speaker 1: most of my neighbors were Mexican. So if that's the case,
Speaker 1: who were they more akin to and attracted to? Were
Speaker 1: the light skinned dudes. So when I fell in love
Speaker 1: with Yolanda Gonzalez, you know what I'm saying, I'm a
Speaker 1: little too dark. You feel me landa like if she
Speaker 1: was gonna like a black dude, it was the light
Speaker 1: skinning one, you know what I'm saying. So when you
Speaker 1: live in these like its cultural spaces, because y'all are like,
Speaker 1: y'all like interesting, you like, at least to everybody else,
Speaker 1: y'all black with an asterisk. Now we knew you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We knew like the rest of us,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But to the rest of
Speaker 1: the world, it was like, oh they get he get
Speaker 1: a pass because you know what I'm saying, he light skinned,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, are I feel like our black is
Speaker 1: like when they when they put those like the foam
Speaker 1: art in the coffee, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it's still coffee, but it's still still something in there
Speaker 1: that people are like, this is exciting, it's it's sucking coffee.
Speaker 1: But you know they don't know. You don't understand that
Speaker 1: that's an espresso up under that. You know I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so you see Yolanda, You're like, man, I want
Speaker 1: to be with Yolanda. Yolanda is not kicking that same
Speaker 1: energy back to you because you don't fall within her
Speaker 1: expectations of what ay quote unquote handsome person is. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because she looking at she looking
Speaker 1: at Brandon over there, who I know, Brandon just light skinned,
Speaker 1: but he looked Puerto Rican. If Brandon learned some spect this,
Speaker 1: she could pull it off, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we got the curly hair, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: some freckles you feel me so like he could pull
Speaker 1: it off, you know. And it was a part of
Speaker 1: my baggage that almost like again, I'm black. My father
Speaker 1: was a black panther, so I love being black. But
Speaker 1: I was in this Latino hood. So I used to
Speaker 1: think the cheat code was being Puerto Rican because you
Speaker 1: get to be both. So I was like, I wish
Speaker 1: I was Puerto Rican because then I'm like that black
Speaker 1: different you know what I'm saying. They got curly hair
Speaker 1: and they speak Spanish like this. This seemed like the wind.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I got baggage. Feel okay, So this
Speaker 1: this baggage and I love that. I love the idea
Speaker 1: of like, damn, I wish I was Puerto Ricans at
Speaker 1: tight that go to home coming with me if Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican core all right, So, so you recognize at least
Speaker 1: that like there's a difference in the way that you're
Speaker 1: being seen the way that you're being treated. At what
Speaker 1: point does it become sensitivity in your mind? At what
Speaker 1: point are you identifying light skinned people? I assume it's
Speaker 1: men and women are more sensitive than their darker skinned counterparts. Yes, now,
Speaker 1: trying to keep this comedy because I'm also psychoanalyzing myself
Speaker 1: as I talk. Now, I'll break it down. Man, Sometimes
Speaker 1: this ship gets sad and we like that too, Yes,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm I'm clearly not in this state
Speaker 1: anymore like this. I don't think like this anymore, y'all. Okay,
Speaker 1: just like preamble, I'm fine, I'm healed. They healed. I've
Speaker 1: learned my errors. But the idea is like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't roast y'all because it's like, y'all get to
Speaker 1: you feel like these people trying to prove they black,
Speaker 1: so you or you're trying to prove you not black.
Speaker 1: So they just felt to me like there was such
Speaker 1: an over compensation. You know what I'm saying, which I
Speaker 1: know now is because mixed race has very there's no
Speaker 1: space in our culture for a mixed race, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We have no categories for this there.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely identity crisis that comes from a longer
Speaker 1: history of racial tension and trauma. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that when you when you fourteen, you don't know
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so you fourteen and
Speaker 1: it's like you know what I'm saying, like, why are
Speaker 1: you trying to either overcompensate with what seemed like performative hoodness.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I can't call you
Speaker 1: on the ship just like you sound corny, like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like why are you talking like this?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing all this extra ship? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm and and if I talk to you about it,
Speaker 1: you get super defensive, you know what I'm saying. Or
Speaker 1: the other way around. It seemed like again white people
Speaker 1: come around. It felt like to me you were separating
Speaker 1: yourself from our culture and trying to up your white side.
Speaker 1: And it just felt to me like, man, you just
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways, big dog, Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You want all the all the
Speaker 1: benefits of being from our culture, but not none of
Speaker 1: the pain, because when it's time for the pain, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You went to the other lunch
Speaker 1: table and I was like, and I can't say nothing
Speaker 1: to you about it because you get all you get
Speaker 1: all hurt. You feel me and like so to me,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, y'all just sense it. I can't
Speaker 1: talk to you about nothing. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: then get just getting defensive, like you know, y'all got
Speaker 1: good hair, you know what I'm saying, like whatever, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and it's not good here are black. You
Speaker 1: know what it's like. But listen, can you just like
Speaker 1: your hair is different what you want me to say? Homy,
Speaker 1: like you know so well, so you're you're speaking to
Speaker 1: I think a number of important things here and there
Speaker 1: is like this constant and I always think it's corny
Speaker 1: when when makes people go I just don't know where
Speaker 1: I belonged. That the weights they didn't accept me, the
Speaker 1: black people they didn't like me either, And it's sort
Speaker 1: of like all right, dog, I don't know, be yourself.
Speaker 1: But that said, I think that whether whether fair or unfair,
Speaker 1: that feeling of not belonging does sort of prompt a
Speaker 1: lot of the reactions that we equate with like light
Speaker 1: skin behavior, right that like you are hella defend pensive
Speaker 1: about a bunch of stuff that maybe other people would
Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, move on, be cool, bro,
Speaker 1: for real, for real, That's exactly it. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And like you just just you know, traditional
Speaker 1: definitions beauty and just all of that now as an adult,
Speaker 1: like I see it now, sure, But at the time
Speaker 1: you just you have no yeah, you just have no
Speaker 1: categories for it, you know, Yeah, which is where I
Speaker 1: guess terms like good hair and good like whatever, qualifying
Speaker 1: like terms we have come from, right, We're not. We
Speaker 1: get older and we go, well, it's not good hair
Speaker 1: is just different hair. It's just a qualitative difference. Where
Speaker 1: But instead at the time we're like, no, no, no
Speaker 1: one is better than the other one, that yours is
Speaker 1: somehow better there was And there's a part of you
Speaker 1: as like somebody on the darker you, like myself, that
Speaker 1: feels like, hey, you know, I don't understand what's so
Speaker 1: hard about this. There's no such thing as a dark
Speaker 1: scanned white person, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's
Speaker 1: only light scanned black people. Sure you're black. I don't
Speaker 1: understand what the problem is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then again, growing up in a Latino space, I'm
Speaker 1: looking across the table at like one Carlo Ramirez, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you black as I am. You think that
Speaker 1: black people didn't go to Mexico. I'm like, I'm looking,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at your grandfather, right, now I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: a black man work from Mexico. I'm like, you think
Speaker 1: black people in Mexico like trans Atlantic slade trade dog,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, better cruise like
Speaker 1: that was that some American right, Like we sort of
Speaker 1: get taught in a really shitty way that America is
Speaker 1: kind of the only place that did slavery and the
Speaker 1: only place black people ever immigrated or were taken and
Speaker 1: brock to. So it's like, Yo, if your parents aren't
Speaker 1: from or your grandparents aren't from the South, then you
Speaker 1: have no sense of any history beyond them, And that
Speaker 1: is blackness to be unaware of your history. Whereas like
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker can point to where they're from, nigger,
Speaker 1: I ain't black. I'm from there. That Dominican y. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's and it's hurtful, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: as from my perspective, I was like, this is really
Speaker 1: hurtful because I'm like, first of all, I mean, is
Speaker 1: there a hidden camera, Like have you looked in the mirror,
Speaker 1: Like my Dominican brother, I'm like, you are black, Like
Speaker 1: I'm not robbing you from your Dominican heritage. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: what the what the hell? You? What is we? Like?
Speaker 1: What is the Scott Blue? Like you're a black man
Speaker 1: colors real quick into ethnic background exactly all the other
Speaker 1: jazz that comes with that. So you're identifying these sort
Speaker 1: of light skin traits and people the squint, the eyes,
Speaker 1: over sensitivity, the sensitive R and B singers. Sure, unless
Speaker 1: you can hear all of that, does that make you
Speaker 1: resent light skinned people? Are you mad at us for
Speaker 1: our behavior? Are you sort of recognizing that we got
Speaker 1: some ship to deal with? I was, and it was
Speaker 1: like I was mad, but it was like eighth grade mad,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Were you really not mad?
Speaker 1: You don't know? You're not mad at them? You're mad
Speaker 1: at America, you know what I'm saying. But you don't
Speaker 1: know you're mad at America yet you feel me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but you don't know yet, you know, so
Speaker 1: you know, And now it's like we'k a kid about it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And just like the ship
Speaker 1: we're doing now, all that comes with that, But like
Speaker 1: the reality is at the time, Yeah, you're mad, You're jealous,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And because that type of
Speaker 1: black is being affirmed, you know, and there's like there's
Speaker 1: nothing I can do to somehow fit that you feel me.
Speaker 1: So for me, a part of like just even the
Speaker 1: hair you see on my head now, part of the dreadlocks,
Speaker 1: you know, was like a rebellion against that was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I can't do this, I'm gonna go all the
Speaker 1: way to other way. Right, I'm gonna lock my hair.
Speaker 1: I ain't never gonna squint wide open, stay whoke, say
Speaker 1: squint squint for light skin. Yeah, I get that. I
Speaker 1: do think it's such a it's such an interesting thing
Speaker 1: that I think happens in in black culture in general. Right,
Speaker 1: is that like we've been placed in a position where
Speaker 1: there are so many spots, so few spots to to
Speaker 1: be celebrated, to be recognized, to be affirmed, as you
Speaker 1: put it. And so when you're seeing the people that
Speaker 1: are sort of in a weird way able to subvert
Speaker 1: their blackness, but they also be propped up as like
Speaker 1: the stars of the show, it has to be a
Speaker 1: super are frustrating thing to be like, that's who y'all picked,
Speaker 1: This is the one that you're gonna make the star
Speaker 1: of the whole game. That's crazy. Yeah, totally. It's frustrating
Speaker 1: to me. It just really is, It just really is,
Speaker 1: and it's and ultimately it was like I'm really I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm processing internalized racism. You're processing self. Hey, you don't
Speaker 1: know you are, but all I know is I can't
Speaker 1: stand Brandon right that at its scores. Really, I think
Speaker 1: how we get to solving some of the colorism and
Speaker 1: sort of like uh in fighting that happens in the
Speaker 1: black community, is we just gotta pick the motherfucker's we
Speaker 1: don't like. As opposed to sitting around talking about like
Speaker 1: the general idea of each representative group and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's just talk about Brandon. Let's keep our eyes and
Speaker 1: exactly yes. And you know it's like you I think
Speaker 1: of like the invention of Tyrese, you know that, like
Speaker 1: Coca Cola baby brought us back riding on that bus.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, He brought us back. And
Speaker 1: I didn't realize again until I was an adult, like
Speaker 1: why I was like, oh, yeah, I needed him, you know,
Speaker 1: in a in a weird, twisted sort of way, like
Speaker 1: am I needed this dude? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: As like just images of beauty and and what's crazy
Speaker 1: is this? Like so my current wife, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't meet runtil we was, you know, adults.
Speaker 1: And my wife's my wife's a first gen Mexican woman,
Speaker 1: And she said she never thought about it till after
Speaker 1: she got married. That like when she was in high school,
Speaker 1: she had a Tyres calendar. She was already in the dark. Brothers,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. She didn't know either, all right, So okay,
Speaker 1: here's a question that I have that I've always been
Speaker 1: curious about. When do you think the waves happened? Right?
Speaker 1: So there there are always these arguments that happened culturally
Speaker 1: where they're like, man, light skin dudes are out, dark
Speaker 1: skinned dudes are in. Dark skinned dudes are out, light
Speaker 1: skin dudes are in. Where where would you mark those
Speaker 1: waves that So you're saying Tyrese is a is a
Speaker 1: clear marker? Yeah, I would say period. Yeah, pre that,
Speaker 1: you know is when the light skin dudes was running
Speaker 1: the world. It was cosby showing a different world. You know,
Speaker 1: the two choices that Rudy Huxtable had, you know, she
Speaker 1: chose the lighter boy, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then on a different world, the light skinttingigg with the dreads.
Speaker 1: They ended up being in Janet Jackson's videos like just
Speaker 1: this gorgeous man, you know what I'm saying. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so then Ta Digs, you know what I'm saying. Morris Chestnuts,
Speaker 1: all these brothers had this wave. You feel you brought
Speaker 1: us back Omar and the Best Man. That's it, the
Speaker 1: Best Man universe. Really really let y'all live for us,
Speaker 1: let us in, and then entered shamar More and Boors
Speaker 1: cool Jo and we were done. And then that leads
Speaker 1: into like the Terrace Howards and just all this other
Speaker 1: stuff that was just like, yeah, we can't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: will say that at the point that they made shamar
Speaker 1: More the host of Soul Train, it felt like, man,
Speaker 1: y'all really right, y'all got a break because yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's beautiful, Like there's no other way around that. That
Speaker 1: man is beautiful. A goddamn weirdo, but he is weird
Speaker 1: as hell good to look at. Yeah, yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: these waves you're recognizing where these waves exist and then
Speaker 1: how at what point do you as an adult start
Speaker 1: to to stop feeling these feelings of resentment and start
Speaker 1: to like make peace with it. What happens in your
Speaker 1: life where you're like, all right, I recognize that this
Speaker 1: sensitivity that I'm I'm seeing in light skinned men's coming
Speaker 1: from something real and not just them being like weirdos
Speaker 1: and and I'm good. Yeah, I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: moving moving around, going off to college, you know, experiencing Africans,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and just meeting people from
Speaker 1: just other parts of the world. I think having my
Speaker 1: own sort of aesthetic affirmed, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: kind of made me step back and go like, what
Speaker 1: why was I so worried about what these forty people
Speaker 1: thought about me? You know, it's to the point to
Speaker 1: where I'm salty towards my own homie, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: dragged Brandon, But Brandon was my homie. You Like, we're friends,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I salty over him? Like what did Brandon? Ain't do
Speaker 1: nothing to me, you know what I'm saying, Like he's
Speaker 1: my friend, you know, And then you just started, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just started. It's for me. It was college you
Speaker 1: start asking yourself these questions, learning more about the world
Speaker 1: around you and how you know what I'm saying, All
Speaker 1: this stuff kind of plays into the bigger historical narrative
Speaker 1: and what I've sort of internalized for myself, and just
Speaker 1: start asking those questions. I mean, like, what do you mean,
Speaker 1: you know, what is the diaspora? Like what do you
Speaker 1: mean by that? Like, you know, are are they not?
Speaker 1: Are these brothers and sisters not experiencing the same America
Speaker 1: you're experiencing? And in some ways, but in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, yes, you know, like you are undermining the cause.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I like what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think it. It sort of makes me think in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I've had this feeling for
Speaker 1: a while that I think the way that we talk
Speaker 1: about representation is wrong, that like we we spend so
Speaker 1: much time being like there's nobody that looks like me
Speaker 1: on TV, and so I don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: about myself And it's like, yeah, maybe, but more than that,
Speaker 1: what you need to do is recognize that you are
Speaker 1: represented in other parts of the world. You're represented in
Speaker 1: a space greater than just television and like what's being
Speaker 1: propped up on the internet and so like, until you
Speaker 1: get the chance to see that, Like, yo, you exist
Speaker 1: in this country, in this place, in these foreign sort
Speaker 1: of like environments, then you are always going to be
Speaker 1: speaking the next bors Cojoe or Morris Chestnut or whatever
Speaker 1: it is that makes you feel affirmed in a in
Speaker 1: an almost desperate kind of way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that broader sense of the world, you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: is like for for a young dude like me, was like, man,
Speaker 1: that was invaluable just seeing the world bigger than where
Speaker 1: I was. And like you said, what I saw on
Speaker 1: TV because there's like, like you said, there's an entire
Speaker 1: continent of dark skinned people on TV, Like you know,
Speaker 1: like what do you you know? Now, You're right, maybe
Speaker 1: we're underrepresented here, but here is not the whole world.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so that's like super, that's dope. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: now let's get into some messy questions. Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: be real. Who do you think is the greatest offender
Speaker 1: as a light skinned man woman? Who's one that really
Speaker 1: you just see him? You're like this mother right here,
Speaker 1: I can't take it. Oh man, I mean are we obviously?
Speaker 1: I mean obviously Stacy Dash you know, she's she's high
Speaker 1: on this list. He's gotten lighter every year. She getting
Speaker 1: lighter every year. Yeah, so obviously her. Man, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. Okay, let's get messy. Who was the most
Speaker 1: liked and he's light skin yeah, just and it doesn't
Speaker 1: even have to be that they're bad people, just true,
Speaker 1: does this squinty eyes does have the energy of all
Speaker 1: the things that you despised? And oh man, I mean
Speaker 1: probably Uncle l you know what I'm saying, Like probably
Speaker 1: because he's like, oh man, he's caramel, he's buff he's
Speaker 1: just you know what I'm saying, just like God, damn it, man,
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying, like the coolest hell, he's an
Speaker 1: O G and hip hop like you can't take none
Speaker 1: of his crap from him, like she just he he
Speaker 1: real as it come. But just like him, man, like yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't be buffing into your And okay, still look
Speaker 1: this good man that's there. Yeah, so he up there,
Speaker 1: he up there is one of the one of the
Speaker 1: greatest defenders the Sisters. I'm not gonna look, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna touch that at all. I ain't that messy now, okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm super messy with the Sisters though. Okay, well
Speaker 1: give me, give me example well, I don't know, because
Speaker 1: nobody bothers me. I'm a big fan of every light
Speaker 1: skinned person. We're perfect, every single one of them. I
Speaker 1: do think the person who always comes to mind when
Speaker 1: people like complain about like light skin behavior and all that,
Speaker 1: Drake feels like the most Oh my god, yes, how
Speaker 1: did I miss Drake? Who? Who's ever light skinned? Oh?
Speaker 1: How did I forget? Drake? Yes, he's the he is
Speaker 1: the example. He's it's Drake. It's the template of it's
Speaker 1: the template you yes, yes, and it has a heart
Speaker 1: carved into his right now, all the rules that all
Speaker 1: of us learned through the middle school that keep the
Speaker 1: way that boys police themselves to keep each other in line.
Speaker 1: I just feel like he skipped all that because like
Speaker 1: you don't okay, you don't do the layoup line for
Speaker 1: like you ain't go to this school, you're not from
Speaker 1: this state, notion, you have no connection and why are
Speaker 1: you doing this like that? But it's like and he
Speaker 1: could go because the flex and he's right because it is.
Speaker 1: But it's like that's most light skinned, this this light
Speaker 1: skin ship. I think. Yes. My favorite part of that
Speaker 1: is he's not even good enough at basketball to justify
Speaker 1: like joining the line, Like it's not like he was
Speaker 1: out there saucing you're not a hooper. Yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: a hooper. Like this is not even that's not even
Speaker 1: your bag man, Like what yeah? That yes, And to
Speaker 1: be totally okay with like because he knows it's gonna
Speaker 1: sell records, to like turn himself into like a living
Speaker 1: meme because he knows it works. So you just like
Speaker 1: highline blaying video. He knew what he was doing, like
Speaker 1: you know, you know what you're doing. And he put
Speaker 1: on a comfy sweater and he said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give the people what they've been accused from what they
Speaker 1: were being this entire time. Yes, and it worked. Listen,
Speaker 1: the man knows business. And with that, okay, this this
Speaker 1: will be my final question before we go to break.
Speaker 1: Who do you think if Drake is the most defensive
Speaker 1: or uncle l depending on the timing and perspective, who
Speaker 1: do you think is a person who's handling light skin perfectly,
Speaker 1: who truly is not falling into the stereotypes and navigating
Speaker 1: this space the way that it's meant to be navigated.
Speaker 1: That's good. I think I think the two examples, I
Speaker 1: think Clay Thompson does it well. I love that you
Speaker 1: said that. Gay Damn, he's my favorite. He do it well.
Speaker 1: I think Kendrick Sampson that's on Insecure, I think he
Speaker 1: handles light skin very well. You know, he's no delusion.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm about this justice work. But this my
Speaker 1: white mama. Like what you want me to say? That's
Speaker 1: my mom. You know what I'm saying. So I feel
Speaker 1: like he handles it. He handles light scan well, okay,
Speaker 1: hell yeah. So anybody that's down to either be weird
Speaker 1: and just shoot a lot of shots and u and
Speaker 1: or get beat by the police. It's good in your book.
Speaker 1: It's good in my book because you was like, I'm
Speaker 1: being me. You know what I'm saying. I listen, a
Speaker 1: sleeveless T shirt. You love setting man in a sleeveless
Speaker 1: T shirt. That's what I'm discovering. This is the fact
Speaker 1: I told you I'm jealous. All Right, We're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back with more propaganda and more.
Speaker 1: My mama told me we are back. Do you have
Speaker 1: your passport? Did you get your shocks? Girl with you
Speaker 1: like to come back with rob to a bait? Come?
Speaker 1: Oh God, moment. This is a very low moment. Yep,
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back here with propaganda. We're back here,
Speaker 1: We're more. My mama told me we're still talking. Oh
Speaker 1: that was a drop that was suggested to us by
Speaker 1: a listener named Claudia. Claudia told me to play that propaganda.
Speaker 1: I did not want to do that myself. I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of his work. Claudia loves him dearly. Is
Speaker 1: a low moment in black men. Slow, Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say not a great dark skinned man. Would you go
Speaker 1: so far as to say that, I would agree you
Speaker 1: are not You are not the gladiator we're sending to
Speaker 1: the arena? Fair enough? Okay, you you mentioned uh and
Speaker 1: this is something I've I've always been curious about. If
Speaker 1: this is now a thing that everybody knows or at
Speaker 1: least thinks about. Do you think the mixture makes a
Speaker 1: difference in light skin behavior? Because you mentioned Kendrick E. Sampson,
Speaker 1: how he has a white mom, And I'm under the
Speaker 1: belief that if if the combination is weird, white mom's
Speaker 1: always tend to make weirder kids than than a black mom.
Speaker 1: Black mom. He tended to be all right, you do
Speaker 1: you're a little more chill white mom. Oh, that motherfucker's weird.
Speaker 1: It gets just some weirdness that comes with having a
Speaker 1: white mama rather than you're saying, rather than like a
Speaker 1: white daddy, or like or a Filipino or it's just
Speaker 1: somebody exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I would, I would have.
Speaker 1: I think I would tend to agree with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I would tend to agree with that. I
Speaker 1: never thought about it till you just said it. But
Speaker 1: I got home from high school, who like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: his dad was like one of the coolest dudes I've
Speaker 1: ever met, and his mom was listen, his mom was wonderful.
Speaker 1: But like I, he is actually who I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: out where I had to like learn how to process that. Like, man,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to find himself, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: so I had to go back and like do some
Speaker 1: historical revisionism about my feelings for this boy. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because just like man, he ain't never
Speaker 1: do nothing to me, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like that, that poor boy, he's trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're the white mom, so it's not coming
Speaker 1: from a place of hate. This is coming from the
Speaker 1: place of white mom, him and and we all got
Speaker 1: to figure that out on our We all gotta figure
Speaker 1: it out. All right, Let's jump into some of this research.
Speaker 1: And I want to start off by saying, light skinned
Speaker 1: people are sensitive. Is not an easy thing to research,
Speaker 1: do you. Okay, that's not That's not something you just
Speaker 1: type into Google and suddenly it comes back with all
Speaker 1: of these these clear explanations of where this thing comes from.
Speaker 1: But I did find and n y you study that
Speaker 1: suggests that skin color does affect sensitivity to heat and
Speaker 1: mechanical stimuli, meaning like physical contact. So okay, apparently darker
Speaker 1: skinned people are more strong as it relates to physical
Speaker 1: like contact and heat. That like you, you physically don't
Speaker 1: necessarily feel the same reactions that I guess are your
Speaker 1: lighter skinned counterparts tend to feel. Damn Yeah, no, Mike Shook,
Speaker 1: It didn't. It didn't make me feel good because there
Speaker 1: so there's this old and I've talked about this on
Speaker 1: a few episodes. There's this old dude who basically invented gynecology,
Speaker 1: but he also did it by testing all of his
Speaker 1: experiments on slaves that like he he basically would like
Speaker 1: steal slave women and we're in crazy experiments on them.
Speaker 1: And he did it under the premise that black people
Speaker 1: couldn't feel pain, that like, physically their bodies were built
Speaker 1: in a way that like pain didn't they didn't have
Speaker 1: the same pain receptors that white people have. And this
Speaker 1: isn't proof of any of that. I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: This is yeah. I was like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but that said, it does sound like on
Speaker 1: a on a very minor level, there are different reactions
Speaker 1: that happen with darker skin versus lighter skin. That's man.
Speaker 1: My my wife is like a sun block Nazi, like
Speaker 1: just put on some blocks. She lathers our children with it.
Speaker 1: And and part of me is like, as a as
Speaker 1: a sign of my protests, won't put it on. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And I know that's ridiculous because I'm talking about UV rays.
Speaker 1: But I'm just like, I'm like, God gave me sun block,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And but I I do. But my
Speaker 1: children do have they have a sun sensitivity, like they
Speaker 1: actually honestly like they need the sun block. You know,
Speaker 1: Like I've never I get darker. I've never healed, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But like they get like my
Speaker 1: my oldest daughter gets a rash if she's in the
Speaker 1: sun too much, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's melanines are And that's the thing is that is
Speaker 1: that you you technically are right. God did give you
Speaker 1: a type of sun block. In fact, the study looked
Speaker 1: at dopamine and the skin rodents they went to. They
Speaker 1: basically were like manipulating the skin and tones of rodents,
Speaker 1: and the dopamine creates this molecule produced by skin called
Speaker 1: melano sites type sitis. I don't know how to pronounce stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. I'm just a nigga with Google.
Speaker 1: But they these cells determined skin color and they found
Speaker 1: that as they manipulated the dopamine, it increased expression of
Speaker 1: a type of molecule that basically is responsible for protection
Speaker 1: against heat, and it increased a type of molecule that's
Speaker 1: that's responsible for protecting you against physical contact. So darker
Speaker 1: meant that you got basically stronger again this ship, and
Speaker 1: then lighter meant that you got weaker against this ship.
Speaker 1: So when you say that lights skin people are more
Speaker 1: sensitive you're actually technically correct in that stag. I will
Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it. I'll push back against you.
Speaker 1: Here's the part where I get excited, because I would
Speaker 1: argue that light skinned people, given the fact that we've
Speaker 1: continued to live in the exact same environments as our
Speaker 1: darker counterparts and lived amongst the same communities, I would
Speaker 1: argue we're in fact stronger and less sensitive because of
Speaker 1: our willingness to keep fighting through the pain that we're
Speaker 1: constantly suffering in the exact same environment. Talk to me,
Speaker 1: tell me why I'm right. Oh, okay, whoa. That's a great,
Speaker 1: great way to phrase that. I'm a little shook right
Speaker 1: now because there is again that's I'm divided here. There's
Speaker 1: the like, there's the little meat, and there's the adult
Speaker 1: meet you know what I'm saying, So like the little
Speaker 1: me is going whatever, nigked yo saying like in the
Speaker 1: fact that like, yeah, we roast y'all mercilessly, and you
Speaker 1: do still show up every day, that's it, but you'll
Speaker 1: be crying and ship. Yeah, But then again, let me
Speaker 1: not front like but as soon as I turned the
Speaker 1: corner on Avalon, I did not break into tears and
Speaker 1: that's being roasted to y'all hold it longer. Just truly
Speaker 1: is the difference in the way you handle this ship.
Speaker 1: But we're still coming back together as a community, and
Speaker 1: that's the key. Yeah. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I even think, like, I'm like, I just want you
Speaker 1: to admit you one of us yo saying and I
Speaker 1: think that, like one could argued, our bucking against everything
Speaker 1: that is light skinned may have to do with our
Speaker 1: insecurity in ourselves. But tell nobody, I said that probably
Speaker 1: what's going on there show you absolutely correct, all right,
Speaker 1: I like this, I like in your head, let's let's
Speaker 1: go a little further down this train, because I in
Speaker 1: order to find more information about this, I had to
Speaker 1: sort of rephrase the way that we're dealing in this.
Speaker 1: And colorism, obviously is more of the ubiquitous term that
Speaker 1: we connect to light skinned, dark skinned, all these other things.
Speaker 1: And it turns out that the word colorism is not
Speaker 1: as old as we would think it is. In fact,
Speaker 1: the original sort of conception of colorism doesn't come about
Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty three. As a term like it's it's
Speaker 1: brand new in the scheme of the world. Before then,
Speaker 1: there were other words that we used to kind of
Speaker 1: define it, but it went sort of nebulous in in
Speaker 1: the way that we talked about colorism before. Kay. So
Speaker 1: with that, one of the things that I sort of
Speaker 1: found is that part of and this is a lot
Speaker 1: of people making arguments and articles. They're much smarter people
Speaker 1: than I am, but they made arguments that the reason
Speaker 1: that colorism went undefined for so long is an intentional
Speaker 1: effort on the part of white America that like, if
Speaker 1: they can so imbalance hatred all the things that we
Speaker 1: sort of that sort of exists in the black community
Speaker 1: without us figuring out how to explain it, then the
Speaker 1: infighting remains. But we never learned to get past it. Right,
Speaker 1: until you can put a word to it, you can't
Speaker 1: defeat the thing that's that's taking you down. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Thank Yeah, that's three because I think about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: our constitution only recognized two races until the sixties, you know,
Speaker 1: so like there's that idea of like, you know, you
Speaker 1: have people like there was this case in um San
Speaker 1: Antonio and this Latino do this Mexican dude like killed
Speaker 1: this other Mexican dude. And when he was on trial,
Speaker 1: obviously he was found guilty, but his lawyer appealed, saying
Speaker 1: he was supposed to get a jury of his peers.
Speaker 1: He was like, it's all white people here. And they
Speaker 1: were like, well, see here's the thing. According to the constitution,
Speaker 1: you white too, so you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then and they were like, this is ridiculous these people. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. He's like, you you know,
Speaker 1: you know how ridiculous this is. So like so having
Speaker 1: the buility into the constitution more than just two races,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. This is the sixties. So now don't surprise
Speaker 1: me that it wasn't until the eighties that the idea
Speaker 1: of colorism existed. And then how and to our shame,
Speaker 1: how so good at it? We got right and it.
Speaker 1: So that's part of the problem, right, is that it's
Speaker 1: not that colorism doesn't exist. It's that literally the word
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. That they won't help us put a label
Speaker 1: on it, and because they want the fighting to continue
Speaker 1: without the logic that makes it reasonable. Much in the
Speaker 1: way that this dude who's sitting on trial is sitting
Speaker 1: there saying like, I am not the same. I'm not
Speaker 1: the same as what you would consider your opposition. But
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not the same as y'all. And I don't
Speaker 1: just pick sides simply because you've picked sides for yourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and y'all know that, and you know that, can you
Speaker 1: know tell people that because it's easier to keep them
Speaker 1: mad at each other than it is to help them
Speaker 1: figure this ship out facts. And so one of the
Speaker 1: things that I ended up finding is that when it
Speaker 1: comes to looking up light skinned stuff in research a lot,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of articles of people being like, this
Speaker 1: was my experience as a kid and my being a
Speaker 1: mixed person, and it to your your point about motherfucker's
Speaker 1: being in their their feelings and and sort of like uh,
Speaker 1: light skined behavior. Every article just reads like somebody being
Speaker 1: like I wasn't black enough and nobody loved me, and
Speaker 1: that's why I am who I am. It's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you gotta relax, bro. This working out your trauma on
Speaker 1: paper like yeah, it never it never plays well because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you haven't really. That's why I try
Speaker 1: to lead out the box saying okay, listen, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm work. I'm working out my issues, all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: I got to unpack some ship now. That's said, you
Speaker 1: say it, yes, And so with that. One of the
Speaker 1: things that that I think is one of the bigger
Speaker 1: mistakes that these articles tend to do is that they
Speaker 1: often do try to basically say that even if I'm
Speaker 1: light skinned, I am still black, and therefore I am
Speaker 1: still a victim and experiencer of all of the things
Speaker 1: that make being black in America difficult. And while that
Speaker 1: is true, light skinned people do suffer at the hands
Speaker 1: of whatever American bullshit is. It ain't the same, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It ain't. This ain't exactly
Speaker 1: equal in terms of the way that police handle me
Speaker 1: since the way that they would handle you or any
Speaker 1: of that ship like. And to not acknowledge that or
Speaker 1: skip past that seems pretty wild. That is all I
Speaker 1: ever wanted to hear from light skinned people. Oh hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I did it. It's just listen, man, I recognize there
Speaker 1: is a difference. Ye appreciate that because you because it
Speaker 1: was more like you get the side eye from the
Speaker 1: light skin dude. That's just like when the heat got bad,
Speaker 1: you could just move to the other table and not
Speaker 1: just be like Nike just words. It's like what he's like,
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing man like. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's not even that I have to move to the
Speaker 1: other table. I'll sit there and watch them beat you first,
Speaker 1: because they ain't gonna be mad at me the same.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, you got that pretty caramel skin.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna mess that up, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like green eyes, you feel they're gonna yell at me,
Speaker 1: but they ain't gonna hit me. You guys, they hit
Speaker 1: different different. Now, obviously we can't make that joke without
Speaker 1: also talking about where that comes from. Right, So much
Speaker 1: of this is rooted in the historical context of slaves
Speaker 1: of slavery and the idea that lighter skinned slaves were
Speaker 1: very often descendants of the people that were sucking their
Speaker 1: owners and ship, and so with that they also were
Speaker 1: treated often with a sense of care and preference that
Speaker 1: wasn't afforded to their darker skin counterparts. That's where the
Speaker 1: house slaves come from. That's where you know, all the
Speaker 1: conversations about sort of like light skinned behavior, I think
Speaker 1: are first found absolutely, you know, and then if you
Speaker 1: can in your mind's eye like pull the like you said,
Speaker 1: pull the pull the camera out a little higher to
Speaker 1: be like they're victims of rape, man, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like these are products of rape, and how
Speaker 1: mad at them for that? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like when you could get the camera out, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like, but now while you in
Speaker 1: the thicket the ship, like you can't get the camera out,
Speaker 1: you know, so you're just like all I see is
Speaker 1: you treated better, And like somehow you build this resentment,
Speaker 1: like like you act like you deserved this ship, Like
Speaker 1: you act like you deserve to be treated better, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Then, so were out in the
Speaker 1: field like this, you know what I'm saying, Like and
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's interesting. You just build that resentment. But
Speaker 1: again you get get far enough, you get enough space
Speaker 1: from it where you just like s wools, just trying
Speaker 1: to survive. Man, Like you can't help you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Can't help what happened to you? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And like, oh, what happened to your
Speaker 1: your mama? You know what I'm saying. You can't help that,
Speaker 1: you know So, I mean, I mean, wouldn't you you
Speaker 1: could move into the house, wouldn't you move into the house.
Speaker 1: And that's the hard part, right, is that we're all
Speaker 1: just handing down trauma. We're all handing down different experiences,
Speaker 1: and we can't dismiss those traumas, but we also shouldn't
Speaker 1: be equating those traumas. Like I think, trauma is it
Speaker 1: by it's very definition personal, it's something that that it's
Speaker 1: truly only happening in you and your spirit and your experience.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we can identify share traumas, but that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that everybody gets to just be in this shared
Speaker 1: trauma together. And so to that, one of the larger
Speaker 1: conclusions that I found myself thinking is like, man, we
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up by wanting to make everybody the same.
Speaker 1: And that's a very American thing to be, like, you're
Speaker 1: all black, even though none of you even look alike,
Speaker 1: you're all kind of the same thing, and you'll just
Speaker 1: unpack your trauma together when the reality is, to your point,
Speaker 1: my ship comes from a type of colonization and rape.
Speaker 1: Your ship comes from a different kind of colonization and rape.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be talking about them together. We kind of
Speaker 1: need to go to a separate therapist and well come
Speaker 1: back together. Is as separate people's healed, yeah, and being
Speaker 1: able to like speak freely, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And plenty
Speaker 1: of other countries have sort of like in some way
Speaker 1: started to at least acknowledge that there is a separation
Speaker 1: between these communities, right, Like you look at South Africa,
Speaker 1: where like they do have now three distinctions at least
Speaker 1: of like the way that they break down race that
Speaker 1: it's the white people, it's the colored people, and then
Speaker 1: there's like the black people. And while that is super
Speaker 1: fucked up in terms of the way that like resources
Speaker 1: are disseminated, it is at least more honest in terms
Speaker 1: of like the cultural experience that these people are coming from. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. How like you we could look across the
Speaker 1: country to an apartheid and be like, well, they pick
Speaker 1: out something we could like. Damn, that's kind of that's
Speaker 1: they got a lot to go, you say, Damn, their
Speaker 1: lives sucked, but man, they did the math better than
Speaker 1: we did a little better. Mad does make me feel,
Speaker 1: ultimately though, that that if white people didn't act like
Speaker 1: such dickheads, we might not even want to see ourselves
Speaker 1: as the same race, right that, Like we might find
Speaker 1: ourselves going like and in a beautiful way, not in
Speaker 1: a way that's like us going like, y'll give me
Speaker 1: the funk away from these people, but more just be
Speaker 1: me being like, his experience is not my experience. It
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be, and that's okay, And I can celebrate
Speaker 1: that experience much in the way that you talk about
Speaker 1: celebrating your wife's experience, even though it's different than your own. Man,
Speaker 1: that's but us super profound cud yeah, because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the the we would have a different understanding of diet,
Speaker 1: of the diaspora, and like the just pan ethnic terms
Speaker 1: that like ultimately, like you said, they really only serve
Speaker 1: whiteness by like even us using these words, it only
Speaker 1: serves that, you know. So it's interesting to be like
Speaker 1: if we would just reject them and just be like, no,
Speaker 1: we're we're vastly different from each other. We have a
Speaker 1: shared suffering, but we're also vastly very different, and I
Speaker 1: could celebrate you know, this experience much different than and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to feel like you have to compensate.
Speaker 1: I remember I was I was dating um, a Belizian girl,
Speaker 1: and for a long time, and we kept running up
Speaker 1: against this often you know what I'm saying. Of like
Speaker 1: I thought, I was like I wanted to honor her
Speaker 1: Afro Caribbean like history, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: she was very adamant of being like, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm black, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but you're not
Speaker 1: black like I am, you know, and it was like
Speaker 1: but it was it was honestly like a point attention
Speaker 1: that like I just yeah, we didn't have we didn't
Speaker 1: have the language for at the time, because she's reading
Speaker 1: you're not black like I am, as a light against her,
Speaker 1: somehow diminishing her blackness. In fact, you're just saying like, yo,
Speaker 1: you didn't experience the same version of blackness that I exactly,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't make you any less black. It just
Speaker 1: means like different flavors, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: different styles about this ship. Absolutely because in my mind
Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's dope, yo, saying I
Speaker 1: think it's that's that's dope, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I just did it, but I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to be like like you said, I didn't know how
Speaker 1: to articulate and just say no, this is it's another
Speaker 1: expression of blackness. Dan that's man. You you know you
Speaker 1: wanted something. And see, that's my ultimate goal. If I
Speaker 1: can figure out a way to make motherfucker's treat squinting
Speaker 1: and getting in your feelings as cultural. Now we are
Speaker 1: moving forward as a society. Thank you so much, propaganda,
Speaker 1: Thank you for inspiring me. I am not ready for
Speaker 1: that hill. I'm still I'm still ascending this hill, brother, Lex,
Speaker 1: I'm still not there yet. I might not get there.
Speaker 1: I was saying, but that's that is a good wrap
Speaker 1: around to me having to accept the pretty boy, light
Speaker 1: skinned sensitive. That's culture. Baby, it's culture. You can't I
Speaker 1: can't be mad at culture. And you had to do
Speaker 1: what you had to do to survive. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take another break. We'll be back with more propaganda
Speaker 1: and more. My mama told me and we that Oh yes,
Speaker 1: Ken Linda Nigga, Yeah, we're back here with more propaganda more.
Speaker 1: My mama told me that I was a fun one.
Speaker 1: I was really surprised when I think I thought of that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was the one that I thought of.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give credit to anybody else for
Speaker 1: that one. Anyway, We're still talking about light skinned people
Speaker 1: and their light skinned behavior, and their squinty eyes, and
Speaker 1: their their sensitive feelings. I want us to play a game.
Speaker 1: Let's dig into a game if you if you're down,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, this is a fun game. It's it's one
Speaker 1: of our most classic games, which you personally requested, is
Speaker 1: a game called homemade Hotep. So the way that this
Speaker 1: game works, I'm going to introduce to you a real
Speaker 1: fact out in the world, a fact that that is
Speaker 1: that is a true I would love for you to
Speaker 1: do is hotep the ship out of it because add
Speaker 1: as much hotep and and conspiratorial afrocentric Pan African bullshit
Speaker 1: to it to make it as as hoteppy as possible.
Speaker 1: Let's go, hell ya. So this is an interesting fact.
Speaker 1: Apparently Uncle Ben's rice was air dropped to World War
Speaker 1: two troops during the war. At the time, they basically
Speaker 1: figured out that Uncle Ben's rice they had put some
Speaker 1: chemical in it that kept it from getting infested with
Speaker 1: bugs and eaten by rodents and ship and so they
Speaker 1: would drop it over the troops during World War Two.
Speaker 1: Why propaganda do you think that is? Well, because so
Speaker 1: you dropped the Uncle Ben's with the chemical things because
Speaker 1: you know it was a sign that they have been
Speaker 1: experimenting with black men for years and what you learned
Speaker 1: is that we are just resilient. So when you bring
Speaker 1: that to the war did two things. It won. It
Speaker 1: reminded these white soldiers that you're still being fed by
Speaker 1: the slaves, right, and so it makes them remind them
Speaker 1: of like the America that they miss, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then for the brothers, it reminds you
Speaker 1: that like, can nobody kill you? No matter what you're doing,
Speaker 1: can nobody kill you? You know? So when you put
Speaker 1: the two together, because you have the brothers out in
Speaker 1: the front line and they needed something that reminds to
Speaker 1: them of like, look here, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You resilient. I know. I know back home this how
Speaker 1: they treat you. But I want you to know, man,
Speaker 1: you know it show it shows. It's your homemade chip
Speaker 1: Linds to get you through this. Tell me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We make treasure out of trash. You
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. Treasure out of trash. That's what
Speaker 1: we do. So when you on there, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You stay in your fight, you stay in
Speaker 1: your game. You let them crackers think that they're taking
Speaker 1: care of us. You understand I'm saying, but that we
Speaker 1: take care of him, we take care of him. M
Speaker 1: there it is there. It is dropping that knowledge hall mother,
Speaker 1: there it is. What a perfect, perfect response the homemade
Speaker 1: home dep I love it, you killed it. Thank thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for my pleasure. Could you could
Speaker 1: you tell the people at home where they can find
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Speaker 1: also my socials. I just put out a poetry book. Look,
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Speaker 1: of those said, right now, please don't remind me, Please
Speaker 1: don't remind me. I was like almost through my TV
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Speaker 1: And as always, you can follow me at Leankston Kerman
Speaker 1: and please if you have drops, if you have theories
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Speaker 1: We did it, by bitch because I'm brown, bases my
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