1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: I would tend to agree that, like, there's there's a 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: couple of hurdles you gotta jump with the white mama. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: You're some hurdles. Your mom plays such a major part 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: in the character that you built, and a white mom 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: is that's it's a battle. I ain't saying it's bad, 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: but it's something you got. It's yeah, it's it's what 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's it's it's a hurdle you gotta jump, 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: like she gotta be like exceptional at like for for 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: for you to not come out too weird. You know, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: you gotta be exceptional. It's drizzy Drake. That's a white mom. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: If I've ever seen one weird. You know, chips in 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: your quality, racists, money stuff, you can't tell me bang 13 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: bang bang skeet skeet skeet. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: you already know what the funk time it is. It's 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: time for my mama told me the podcast where we 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: died deep deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: and we finally work to prove that Steph Curry is 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: a goddamn targarian. Ain't nobody meant to have eyes that 19 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: light unless they fought a dragon. Those are That's just facts, 20 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Goddamn facts. There's no reason to dispute it. 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Langston Kerman. I'm coming in hot as 22 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: always that you know. I'm coming at my boy Steph 23 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Curry and his beautiful, gorgeous night eyes. He's a goddamn 24 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: weird looking guy, but I like it. I'm into what 25 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: he's got going on and and goddamn it, I'm having 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: a good day. I'm hot a ship I shouldn't award 27 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: as zody, but otherwise I'm at peace. Anyway. You didn't 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: need that information. You can't see me. You're at home. 29 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: You're listening to this weird preamble that has nothing to 30 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: do with the way that I should introduce a person 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: to you, the listener at home. But goddamn, do I 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: have a good guest today. He's dope. He's a rapper, 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: he's a poet, he's an author, and he has a 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: brand new podcast. It just came out a few weeks ago. 35 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: It's called Hip Politics. It's here on I Heart Radio. 36 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna love him. Please give it up for my 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: cast propaganda. What's up? Dog? This is facts? And Steph 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: Curry is definitely a topic of our conspiracy theory today. Oh, 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: he touches it, he's in there. I believe it and 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: man were born in a laboratory, nobody say, or just 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: just missing white blood cells with all the dark cells. Yeah, 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: especially the idea that him and Lebron were born in 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: the same hospital. I'm like, you mean hatched. Yeah, that 44 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: is weird that that somehow these two freaks of very 45 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: different nature very managed to exist in a singular spaces. 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: That's that's rep very and proof of concept. Sure, all right, 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: you're already touching on it. Let's jump in. You came 48 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: to me with a conspiracy theory that upset me to 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: no end. I would have mane, it made me mad, furious, 50 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: I'd say, you said, my mama told me light skinned 51 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: people are sensitive. This is correct. Tell me more. Well, 52 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: so there's my anecdotal experience, there's my just baggage from childhood, 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: all right, yo say, and then there's the the quintessential 54 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: understanding of what we all like to call light skinned 55 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: eyes m M. And when you do the light skinned eyes, 56 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: it's proof you're telling the whole world that you got 57 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: feelings and can't nobody do them unless you light skinned. 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Nobody else can do the light skinned eyes like light skin. Well, okay, 59 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: let's let's start by explaining, because some of our listeners 60 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: may not be familiar, we have some whitey's that tuned in. 61 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: So give the folks at home that need the information, 62 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: what exactly are light skinned? Okay, so flashback to like 63 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: Shy Joe to see just the black boy band craze 64 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: of the most attractive guy and all of these things. 65 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: What's what's the light skin do? He would do this 66 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: thing where he would light skinned eyes is when you 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: would squint but also raise your eyebrows in a way 68 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: that I just don't know how physically you got your 69 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: face to do that. And but for something, he lick 70 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: your lips like l l and it was just like 71 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: it was like, this is a cheat code. This is 72 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: a cheat code that nobody else in the culture got 73 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: and it just made me feel like, okay, and you 74 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: can't call him on it because they get sensitive. Well, 75 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: let's let's be clear. It sounds like you and you're 76 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: feelings a little bit about these life skinning eyes. I'm 77 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna bite my tongue because you're 78 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: coming at my people, my community. I told you I 79 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: had baggage, and I started off by saying I had baggage. 80 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Now I it's crazy. I just finished the pot for 81 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: the straight no Chaser show. And you know, because she 82 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: deal with politics and hood ship too, right, so she 83 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: was kind of she was like banging on me, like, yo, 84 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: where are you from? You know this? And it so 85 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: like I was trying to explain to her that, like, well, 86 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: I grew up on the borderlands between black and Latino neighborhoods. 87 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: I was from the east side of South Central so 88 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: most of my neighbors were Mexican. So if that's the case, 89 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: who were they more akin to and attracted to? Were 90 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: the light skinned dudes. So when I fell in love 91 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: with Yolanda Gonzalez, you know what I'm saying, I'm a 92 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: little too dark. You feel me landa like if she 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: was gonna like a black dude, it was the light 94 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: skinning one, you know what I'm saying. So when you 95 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: live in these like its cultural spaces, because y'all are like, 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: y'all like interesting, you like, at least to everybody else, 97 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: y'all black with an asterisk. Now we knew you know 98 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We knew like the rest of us, 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But to the rest of 100 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the world, it was like, oh they get he get 101 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a pass because you know what I'm saying, he light skinned, 102 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, are I feel like our black is 103 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: like when they when they put those like the foam 104 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: art in the coffee, you know what I mean, Like 105 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: it's still coffee, but it's still still something in there 106 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: that people are like, this is exciting, it's it's sucking coffee. 107 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: But you know they don't know. You don't understand that 108 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: that's an espresso up under that. You know I'm saying. Okay, 109 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: So so you see Yolanda, You're like, man, I want 110 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: to be with Yolanda. Yolanda is not kicking that same 111 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: energy back to you because you don't fall within her 112 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: expectations of what ay quote unquote handsome person is. You 113 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because she looking at she looking 114 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: at Brandon over there, who I know, Brandon just light skinned, 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: but he looked Puerto Rican. If Brandon learned some spect this, 116 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: she could pull it off, you know what I'm saying. 117 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: So we got the curly hair, you know what I mean, 118 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: some freckles you feel me so like he could pull 119 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: it off, you know. And it was a part of 120 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: my baggage that almost like again, I'm black. My father 121 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: was a black panther, so I love being black. But 122 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: I was in this Latino hood. So I used to 123 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: think the cheat code was being Puerto Rican because you 124 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: get to be both. So I was like, I wish 125 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: I was Puerto Rican because then I'm like that black 126 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: different you know what I'm saying. They got curly hair 127 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: and they speak Spanish like this. This seemed like the wind. 128 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Like I said, I got baggage. Feel okay, So this 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: this baggage and I love that. I love the idea 130 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: of like, damn, I wish I was Puerto Ricans at 131 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: tight that go to home coming with me if Puerto 132 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Rican core all right, So, so you recognize at least 133 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: that like there's a difference in the way that you're 134 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: being seen the way that you're being treated. At what 135 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: point does it become sensitivity in your mind? At what 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: point are you identifying light skinned people? I assume it's 137 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: men and women are more sensitive than their darker skinned counterparts. Yes, now, 138 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: trying to keep this comedy because I'm also psychoanalyzing myself 139 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: as I talk. Now, I'll break it down. Man, Sometimes 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: this ship gets sad and we like that too, Yes, 141 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm I'm clearly not in this state 142 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: anymore like this. I don't think like this anymore, y'all. Okay, 143 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: just like preamble, I'm fine, I'm healed. They healed. I've 144 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: learned my errors. But the idea is like I can't. 145 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: I can't roast y'all because it's like, y'all get to 146 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: you feel like these people trying to prove they black, 147 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: so you or you're trying to prove you not black. 148 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: So they just felt to me like there was such 149 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: an over compensation. You know what I'm saying, which I 150 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: know now is because mixed race has very there's no 151 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: space in our culture for a mixed race, you know 152 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We have no categories for this there. 153 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: So there's definitely identity crisis that comes from a longer 154 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: history of racial tension and trauma. You know what I'm 155 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: saying that when you when you fourteen, you don't know 156 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So so you fourteen and 157 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: it's like you know what I'm saying, like, why are 158 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: you trying to either overcompensate with what seemed like performative hoodness. 159 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I can't call you 160 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: on the ship just like you sound corny, like you 161 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like why are you talking like this? 162 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Why are you doing all this extra ship? You know 163 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: what I'm and and if I talk to you about it, 164 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: you get super defensive, you know what I'm saying. Or 165 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: the other way around. It seemed like again white people 166 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: come around. It felt like to me you were separating 167 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: yourself from our culture and trying to up your white side. 168 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: And it just felt to me like, man, you just 169 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways, big dog, Like you 170 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You want all the all the 171 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: benefits of being from our culture, but not none of 172 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: the pain, because when it's time for the pain, you 173 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You went to the other lunch 174 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: table and I was like, and I can't say nothing 175 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: to you about it because you get all you get 176 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: all hurt. You feel me and like so to me, 177 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: I was like, man, y'all just sense it. I can't 178 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: talk to you about nothing. You know what I'm saying, 179 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: then get just getting defensive, like you know, y'all got 180 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: good hair, you know what I'm saying, like whatever, stuff 181 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: like that, and it's not good here are black. You 182 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: know what it's like. But listen, can you just like 183 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: your hair is different what you want me to say? Homy, 184 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: like you know so well, so you're you're speaking to 185 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: I think a number of important things here and there 186 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: is like this constant and I always think it's corny 187 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: when when makes people go I just don't know where 188 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: I belonged. That the weights they didn't accept me, the 189 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: black people they didn't like me either, And it's sort 190 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: of like all right, dog, I don't know, be yourself. 191 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: But that said, I think that whether whether fair or unfair, 192 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: that feeling of not belonging does sort of prompt a 193 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: lot of the reactions that we equate with like light 194 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: skin behavior, right that like you are hella defend pensive 195 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: about a bunch of stuff that maybe other people would 196 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, move on, be cool, bro, 197 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: for real, for real, That's exactly it. You know what 198 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm saying, And like you just just you know, traditional 199 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: definitions beauty and just all of that now as an adult, 200 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: like I see it now, sure, But at the time 201 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: you just you have no yeah, you just have no 202 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: categories for it, you know, Yeah, which is where I 203 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: guess terms like good hair and good like whatever, qualifying 204 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: like terms we have come from, right, We're not. We 205 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: get older and we go, well, it's not good hair 206 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: is just different hair. It's just a qualitative difference. Where 207 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: But instead at the time we're like, no, no, no 208 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: one is better than the other one, that yours is 209 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: somehow better there was And there's a part of you 210 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: as like somebody on the darker you, like myself, that 211 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: feels like, hey, you know, I don't understand what's so 212 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: hard about this. There's no such thing as a dark 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: scanned white person, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's 214 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: only light scanned black people. Sure you're black. I don't 215 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: understand what the problem is, you know what I'm saying. 216 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: And then again, growing up in a Latino space, I'm 217 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: looking across the table at like one Carlo Ramirez, and 218 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 1: I'm like, you black as I am. You think that 219 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: black people didn't go to Mexico. I'm like, I'm looking, 220 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your grandfather, right, now I'm like, he's 221 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: a black man work from Mexico. I'm like, you think 222 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: black people in Mexico like trans Atlantic slade trade dog, 223 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, better cruise like 224 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: that was that some American right, Like we sort of 225 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: get taught in a really shitty way that America is 226 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: kind of the only place that did slavery and the 227 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: only place black people ever immigrated or were taken and 228 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: brock to. So it's like, Yo, if your parents aren't 229 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: from or your grandparents aren't from the South, then you 230 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: have no sense of any history beyond them, And that 231 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: is blackness to be unaware of your history. Whereas like 232 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: if a motherfucker can point to where they're from, nigger, 233 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: I ain't black. I'm from there. That Dominican y. Yeah. Yeah, 234 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: And that's and it's hurtful, you know what I'm saying. Like, 235 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: as from my perspective, I was like, this is really 236 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: hurtful because I'm like, first of all, I mean, is 237 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: there a hidden camera, Like have you looked in the mirror, 238 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: Like my Dominican brother, I'm like, you are black, Like 239 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm not robbing you from your Dominican heritage. I'm just saying, like, 240 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: what the what the hell? You? What is we? Like? 241 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: What is the Scott Blue? Like you're a black man 242 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: colors real quick into ethnic background exactly all the other 243 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: jazz that comes with that. So you're identifying these sort 244 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: of light skin traits and people the squint, the eyes, 245 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: over sensitivity, the sensitive R and B singers. Sure, unless 246 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: you can hear all of that, does that make you 247 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: resent light skinned people? Are you mad at us for 248 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: our behavior? Are you sort of recognizing that we got 249 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: some ship to deal with? I was, and it was 250 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: like I was mad, but it was like eighth grade mad, 251 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Were you really not mad? 252 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: You don't know? You're not mad at them? You're mad 253 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: at America, you know what I'm saying. But you don't 254 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: know you're mad at America yet you feel me? Yeah, 255 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, but you don't know yet, you know, so 256 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, And now it's like we'k a kid about it, 257 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And just like the ship 258 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: we're doing now, all that comes with that, But like 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: the reality is at the time, Yeah, you're mad, You're jealous, 260 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And because that type of 261 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: black is being affirmed, you know, and there's like there's 262 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: nothing I can do to somehow fit that you feel me. 263 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: So for me, a part of like just even the 264 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: hair you see on my head now, part of the dreadlocks, 265 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, was like a rebellion against that was like, Okay, 266 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: if I can't do this, I'm gonna go all the 267 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: way to other way. Right, I'm gonna lock my hair. 268 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: I ain't never gonna squint wide open, stay whoke, say 269 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: squint squint for light skin. Yeah, I get that. I 270 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: do think it's such a it's such an interesting thing 271 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: that I think happens in in black culture in general. Right, 272 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: is that like we've been placed in a position where 273 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: there are so many spots, so few spots to to 274 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: be celebrated, to be recognized, to be affirmed, as you 275 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: put it. And so when you're seeing the people that 276 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: are sort of in a weird way able to subvert 277 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: their blackness, but they also be propped up as like 278 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: the stars of the show, it has to be a 279 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: super are frustrating thing to be like, that's who y'all picked, 280 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: This is the one that you're gonna make the star 281 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: of the whole game. That's crazy. Yeah, totally. It's frustrating 282 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: to me. It just really is, It just really is, 283 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and it's and ultimately it was like I'm really I'm hurt. 284 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm processing internalized racism. You're processing self. Hey, you don't 285 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: know you are, but all I know is I can't 286 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: stand Brandon right that at its scores. Really, I think 287 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: how we get to solving some of the colorism and 288 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: sort of like uh in fighting that happens in the 289 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: black community, is we just gotta pick the motherfucker's we 290 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: don't like. As opposed to sitting around talking about like 291 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: the general idea of each representative group and all that stuff. 292 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: Let's just talk about Brandon. Let's keep our eyes and 293 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: exactly yes. And you know it's like you I think 294 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: of like the invention of Tyrese, you know that, like 295 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: Coca Cola baby brought us back riding on that bus. 296 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, He brought us back. And 297 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: I didn't realize again until I was an adult, like 298 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: why I was like, oh, yeah, I needed him, you know, 299 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: in a in a weird, twisted sort of way, like 300 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: am I needed this dude? You know what I'm saying? 301 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: As like just images of beauty and and what's crazy 302 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: is this? Like so my current wife, you know, I 303 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: mean I didn't meet runtil we was, you know, adults. 304 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: And my wife's my wife's a first gen Mexican woman, 305 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: And she said she never thought about it till after 306 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: she got married. That like when she was in high school, 307 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: she had a Tyres calendar. She was already in the dark. Brothers, 308 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know. She didn't know either, all right, So okay, 309 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: here's a question that I have that I've always been 310 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: curious about. When do you think the waves happened? Right? 311 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: So there there are always these arguments that happened culturally 312 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: where they're like, man, light skin dudes are out, dark 313 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: skinned dudes are in. Dark skinned dudes are out, light 314 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: skin dudes are in. Where where would you mark those 315 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: waves that So you're saying Tyrese is a is a 316 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: clear marker? Yeah, I would say period. Yeah, pre that, 317 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: you know is when the light skin dudes was running 318 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: the world. It was cosby showing a different world. You know, 319 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: the two choices that Rudy Huxtable had, you know, she 320 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: chose the lighter boy, you know what I'm saying. And 321 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: then on a different world, the light skinttingigg with the dreads. 322 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: They ended up being in Janet Jackson's videos like just 323 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: this gorgeous man, you know what I'm saying. And yeah, 324 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: so then Ta Digs, you know what I'm saying. Morris Chestnuts, 325 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: all these brothers had this wave. You feel you brought 326 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: us back Omar and the Best Man. That's it, the 327 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: Best Man universe. Really really let y'all live for us, 328 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: let us in, and then entered shamar More and Boors 329 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: cool Jo and we were done. And then that leads 330 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: into like the Terrace Howards and just all this other 331 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: stuff that was just like, yeah, we can't. Yeah, I 332 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: will say that at the point that they made shamar 333 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: More the host of Soul Train, it felt like, man, 334 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: y'all really right, y'all got a break because yeah, and 335 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: he's beautiful, Like there's no other way around that. That 336 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: man is beautiful. A goddamn weirdo, but he is weird 337 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: as hell good to look at. Yeah, yeah, okay, so 338 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: these waves you're recognizing where these waves exist and then 339 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: how at what point do you as an adult start 340 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: to to stop feeling these feelings of resentment and start 341 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: to like make peace with it. What happens in your 342 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: life where you're like, all right, I recognize that this 343 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: sensitivity that I'm I'm seeing in light skinned men's coming 344 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: from something real and not just them being like weirdos 345 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: and and I'm good. Yeah, I think it's you know, 346 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: moving moving around, going off to college, you know, experiencing Africans, 347 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and just meeting people from 348 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: just other parts of the world. I think having my 349 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: own sort of aesthetic affirmed, you know what I'm saying, 350 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of made me step back and go like, what 351 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: why was I so worried about what these forty people 352 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: thought about me? You know, it's to the point to 353 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: where I'm salty towards my own homie, Like I'm I'm 354 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: dragged Brandon, But Brandon was my homie. You Like, we're friends, 355 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, why am 356 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: I salty over him? Like what did Brandon? Ain't do 357 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: nothing to me, you know what I'm saying, Like he's 358 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: my friend, you know, And then you just started, Yeah, 359 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: you just started. It's for me. It was college you 360 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: start asking yourself these questions, learning more about the world 361 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: around you and how you know what I'm saying, All 362 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: this stuff kind of plays into the bigger historical narrative 363 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: and what I've sort of internalized for myself, and just 364 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: start asking those questions. I mean, like, what do you mean, 365 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, what is the diaspora? Like what do you 366 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: mean by that? Like, you know, are are they not? 367 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: Are these brothers and sisters not experiencing the same America 368 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: you're experiencing? And in some ways, but in a lot 369 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: of ways, yes, you know, like you are undermining the cause. 370 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I like what you're saying. 371 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: I think it. It sort of makes me think in 372 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I've had this feeling for 373 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: a while that I think the way that we talk 374 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: about representation is wrong, that like we we spend so 375 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: much time being like there's nobody that looks like me 376 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: on TV, and so I don't know how to feel 377 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: about myself And it's like, yeah, maybe, but more than that, 378 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: what you need to do is recognize that you are 379 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: represented in other parts of the world. You're represented in 380 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: a space greater than just television and like what's being 381 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: propped up on the internet and so like, until you 382 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: get the chance to see that, Like, yo, you exist 383 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: in this country, in this place, in these foreign sort 384 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: of like environments, then you are always going to be 385 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: speaking the next bors Cojoe or Morris Chestnut or whatever 386 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: it is that makes you feel affirmed in a in 387 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: an almost desperate kind of way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, 388 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: that broader sense of the world, you know, like you said, 389 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: is like for for a young dude like me, was like, man, 390 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: that was invaluable just seeing the world bigger than where 391 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: I was. And like you said, what I saw on 392 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: TV because there's like, like you said, there's an entire 393 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 1: continent of dark skinned people on TV, Like you know, 394 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: like what do you you know? Now, You're right, maybe 395 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: we're underrepresented here, but here is not the whole world. 396 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: And yeah, so that's like super, that's dope. Yeah. Okay, 397 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: now let's get into some messy questions. Okay, let's just 398 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: be real. Who do you think is the greatest offender 399 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: as a light skinned man woman? Who's one that really 400 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: you just see him? You're like this mother right here, 401 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: I can't take it. Oh man, I mean are we obviously? 402 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean obviously Stacy Dash you know, she's she's high 403 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: on this list. He's gotten lighter every year. She getting 404 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: lighter every year. Yeah, so obviously her. Man, that's a 405 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: good question. Okay, let's get messy. Who was the most 406 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: liked and he's light skin yeah, just and it doesn't 407 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: even have to be that they're bad people, just true, 408 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: does this squinty eyes does have the energy of all 409 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: the things that you despised? And oh man, I mean 410 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: probably Uncle l you know what I'm saying, Like probably 411 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: because he's like, oh man, he's caramel, he's buff he's 412 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: just you know what I'm saying, just like God, damn it, man, 413 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: you know I'm saying, like the coolest hell, he's an 414 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: O G and hip hop like you can't take none 415 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: of his crap from him, like she just he he 416 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: real as it come. But just like him, man, like yeah, 417 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: we can't be buffing into your And okay, still look 418 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: this good man that's there. Yeah, so he up there, 419 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: he up there is one of the one of the 420 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: greatest defenders the Sisters. I'm not gonna look, I'm not 421 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: gonna touch that at all. I ain't that messy now, okay, 422 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: because I'm super messy with the Sisters though. Okay, well 423 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: give me, give me example well, I don't know, because 424 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: nobody bothers me. I'm a big fan of every light 425 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: skinned person. We're perfect, every single one of them. I 426 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: do think the person who always comes to mind when 427 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: people like complain about like light skin behavior and all that, 428 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: Drake feels like the most Oh my god, yes, how 429 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: did I miss Drake? Who? Who's ever light skinned? Oh? 430 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: How did I forget? Drake? Yes, he's the he is 431 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: the example. He's it's Drake. It's the template of it's 432 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: the template you yes, yes, and it has a heart 433 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: carved into his right now, all the rules that all 434 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: of us learned through the middle school that keep the 435 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: way that boys police themselves to keep each other in line. 436 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: I just feel like he skipped all that because like 437 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: you don't okay, you don't do the layoup line for 438 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: like you ain't go to this school, you're not from 439 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: this state, notion, you have no connection and why are 440 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: you doing this like that? But it's like and he 441 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: could go because the flex and he's right because it is. 442 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: But it's like that's most light skinned, this this light 443 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: skin ship. I think. Yes. My favorite part of that 444 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: is he's not even good enough at basketball to justify 445 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: like joining the line, Like it's not like he was 446 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: out there saucing you're not a hooper. Yeah, you're not 447 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: a hooper. Like this is not even that's not even 448 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: your bag man, Like what yeah? That yes, And to 449 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: be totally okay with like because he knows it's gonna 450 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: sell records, to like turn himself into like a living 451 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: meme because he knows it works. So you just like 452 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: highline blaying video. He knew what he was doing, like 453 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, you know what you're doing. And he put 454 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: on a comfy sweater and he said, I'm going to 455 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: give the people what they've been accused from what they 456 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: were being this entire time. Yes, and it worked. Listen, 457 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: the man knows business. And with that, okay, this this 458 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: will be my final question before we go to break. 459 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: Who do you think if Drake is the most defensive 460 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: or uncle l depending on the timing and perspective, who 461 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: do you think is a person who's handling light skin perfectly, 462 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: who truly is not falling into the stereotypes and navigating 463 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: this space the way that it's meant to be navigated. 464 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: That's good. I think I think the two examples, I 465 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: think Clay Thompson does it well. I love that you 466 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: said that. Gay Damn, he's my favorite. He do it well. 467 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: I think Kendrick Sampson that's on Insecure, I think he 468 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: handles light skin very well. You know, he's no delusion. 469 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm about this justice work. But this my 470 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: white mama. Like what you want me to say? That's 471 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: my mom. You know what I'm saying. So I feel 472 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: like he handles it. He handles light scan well, okay, 473 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: hell yeah. So anybody that's down to either be weird 474 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: and just shoot a lot of shots and u and 475 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: or get beat by the police. It's good in your book. 476 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: It's good in my book because you was like, I'm 477 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: being me. You know what I'm saying. I listen, a 478 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: sleeveless T shirt. You love setting man in a sleeveless 479 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: T shirt. That's what I'm discovering. This is the fact 480 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: I told you I'm jealous. All Right, We're gonna take 481 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back with more propaganda and more. 482 00:27:50,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: My mama told me we are back. Do you have 483 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: your passport? Did you get your shocks? Girl with you 484 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: like to come back with rob to a bait? Come? 485 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: Oh God, moment. This is a very low moment. Yep, 486 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: we're back. We're back here with propaganda. We're back here, 487 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: We're more. My mama told me we're still talking. Oh 488 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 1: that was a drop that was suggested to us by 489 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: a listener named Claudia. Claudia told me to play that propaganda. 490 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: I did not want to do that myself. I'm not 491 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: a fan of his work. Claudia loves him dearly. Is 492 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: a low moment in black men. Slow, Yeah, I would 493 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: say not a great dark skinned man. Would you go 494 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: so far as to say that, I would agree you 495 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: are not You are not the gladiator we're sending to 496 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: the arena? Fair enough? Okay, you you mentioned uh and 497 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 1: this is something I've I've always been curious about. If 498 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: this is now a thing that everybody knows or at 499 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: least thinks about. Do you think the mixture makes a 500 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: difference in light skin behavior? Because you mentioned Kendrick E. Sampson, 501 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: how he has a white mom, And I'm under the 502 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: belief that if if the combination is weird, white mom's 503 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: always tend to make weirder kids than than a black mom. 504 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Black mom. He tended to be all right, you do 505 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: you're a little more chill white mom. Oh, that motherfucker's weird. 506 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: It gets just some weirdness that comes with having a 507 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: white mama rather than you're saying, rather than like a 508 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: white daddy, or like or a Filipino or it's just 509 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: somebody exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I would, I would have. 510 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: I think I would tend to agree with that. Yeah, 511 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: I think I would tend to agree with that. I 512 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: never thought about it till you just said it. But 513 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: I got home from high school, who like, yeah, they 514 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: his dad was like one of the coolest dudes I've 515 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: ever met, and his mom was listen, his mom was wonderful. 516 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: But like I, he is actually who I'm thinking of 517 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: out where I had to like learn how to process that. Like, man, 518 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: he's just trying to find himself, you know what I'm saying. Like, 519 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: so I had to go back and like do some 520 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: historical revisionism about my feelings for this boy. You know 521 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because just like man, he ain't never 522 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: do nothing to me, do you know what I'm saying? 523 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: Like that, that poor boy, he's trying to figure it out. 524 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're the white mom, so it's not coming 525 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: from a place of hate. This is coming from the 526 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: place of white mom, him and and we all got 527 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: to figure that out on our We all gotta figure 528 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: it out. All right, Let's jump into some of this research. 529 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: And I want to start off by saying, light skinned 530 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: people are sensitive. Is not an easy thing to research, 531 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: do you. Okay, that's not That's not something you just 532 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: type into Google and suddenly it comes back with all 533 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: of these these clear explanations of where this thing comes from. 534 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: But I did find and n y you study that 535 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: suggests that skin color does affect sensitivity to heat and 536 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: mechanical stimuli, meaning like physical contact. So okay, apparently darker 537 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: skinned people are more strong as it relates to physical 538 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: like contact and heat. That like you, you physically don't 539 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: necessarily feel the same reactions that I guess are your 540 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: lighter skinned counterparts tend to feel. Damn Yeah, no, Mike Shook, 541 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: It didn't. It didn't make me feel good because there 542 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: so there's this old and I've talked about this on 543 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: a few episodes. There's this old dude who basically invented gynecology, 544 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: but he also did it by testing all of his 545 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: experiments on slaves that like he he basically would like 546 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: steal slave women and we're in crazy experiments on them. 547 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: And he did it under the premise that black people 548 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: couldn't feel pain, that like, physically their bodies were built 549 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: in a way that like pain didn't they didn't have 550 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the same pain receptors that white people have. And this 551 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: isn't proof of any of that. I want to be clear. 552 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: This is yeah. I was like, you know what I'm saying, 553 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but that said, it does sound like on 554 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: a on a very minor level, there are different reactions 555 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: that happen with darker skin versus lighter skin. That's man. 556 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: My my wife is like a sun block Nazi, like 557 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: just put on some blocks. She lathers our children with it. 558 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: And and part of me is like, as a as 559 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: a sign of my protests, won't put it on. Oh yeah, 560 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: And I know that's ridiculous because I'm talking about UV rays. 561 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: But I'm just like, I'm like, God gave me sun block, 562 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And but I I do. But my 563 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: children do have they have a sun sensitivity, like they 564 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: actually honestly like they need the sun block. You know, 565 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: Like I've never I get darker. I've never healed, you 566 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But like they get like my 567 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: my oldest daughter gets a rash if she's in the 568 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: sun too much, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, 569 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: that's melanines are And that's the thing is that is 570 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: that you you technically are right. God did give you 571 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: a type of sun block. In fact, the study looked 572 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: at dopamine and the skin rodents they went to. They 573 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: basically were like manipulating the skin and tones of rodents, 574 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: and the dopamine creates this molecule produced by skin called 575 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: melano sites type sitis. I don't know how to pronounce stuff. 576 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. I'm just a nigga with Google. 577 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: But they these cells determined skin color and they found 578 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: that as they manipulated the dopamine, it increased expression of 579 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: a type of molecule that basically is responsible for protection 580 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: against heat, and it increased a type of molecule that's 581 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: that's responsible for protecting you against physical contact. So darker 582 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: meant that you got basically stronger again this ship, and 583 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: then lighter meant that you got weaker against this ship. 584 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: So when you say that lights skin people are more 585 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: sensitive you're actually technically correct in that stag. I will 586 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it. I'll push back against you. 587 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: Here's the part where I get excited, because I would 588 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: argue that light skinned people, given the fact that we've 589 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: continued to live in the exact same environments as our 590 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: darker counterparts and lived amongst the same communities, I would 591 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: argue we're in fact stronger and less sensitive because of 592 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: our willingness to keep fighting through the pain that we're 593 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: constantly suffering in the exact same environment. Talk to me, 594 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: tell me why I'm right. Oh, okay, whoa. That's a great, 595 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: great way to phrase that. I'm a little shook right 596 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: now because there is again that's I'm divided here. There's 597 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: the like, there's the little meat, and there's the adult 598 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: meet you know what I'm saying, So like the little 599 00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: me is going whatever, nigked yo saying like in the 600 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: fact that like, yeah, we roast y'all mercilessly, and you 601 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: do still show up every day, that's it, but you'll 602 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: be crying and ship. Yeah, But then again, let me 603 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: not front like but as soon as I turned the 604 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: corner on Avalon, I did not break into tears and 605 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: that's being roasted to y'all hold it longer. Just truly 606 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: is the difference in the way you handle this ship. 607 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: But we're still coming back together as a community, and 608 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: that's the key. Yeah. And at the end of the day, 609 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: I even think, like, I'm like, I just want you 610 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: to admit you one of us yo saying and I 611 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: think that, like one could argued, our bucking against everything 612 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: that is light skinned may have to do with our 613 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: insecurity in ourselves. But tell nobody, I said that probably 614 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: what's going on there show you absolutely correct, all right, 615 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: I like this, I like in your head, let's let's 616 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: go a little further down this train, because I in 617 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: order to find more information about this, I had to 618 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: sort of rephrase the way that we're dealing in this. 619 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: And colorism, obviously is more of the ubiquitous term that 620 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: we connect to light skinned, dark skinned, all these other things. 621 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: And it turns out that the word colorism is not 622 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: as old as we would think it is. In fact, 623 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: the original sort of conception of colorism doesn't come about 624 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 1: until nineteen eighty three. As a term like it's it's 625 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: brand new in the scheme of the world. Before then, 626 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: there were other words that we used to kind of 627 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: define it, but it went sort of nebulous in in 628 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: the way that we talked about colorism before. Kay. So 629 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: with that, one of the things that I sort of 630 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: found is that part of and this is a lot 631 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: of people making arguments and articles. They're much smarter people 632 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: than I am, but they made arguments that the reason 633 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: that colorism went undefined for so long is an intentional 634 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: effort on the part of white America that like, if 635 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: they can so imbalance hatred all the things that we 636 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: sort of that sort of exists in the black community 637 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: without us figuring out how to explain it, then the 638 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: infighting remains. But we never learned to get past it. Right, 639 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: until you can put a word to it, you can't 640 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: defeat the thing that's that's taking you down. Yeah. Yeah, 641 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Thank Yeah, that's three because I think about like, yeah, 642 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: our constitution only recognized two races until the sixties, you know, 643 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: so like there's that idea of like, you know, you 644 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: have people like there was this case in um San 645 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: Antonio and this Latino do this Mexican dude like killed 646 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: this other Mexican dude. And when he was on trial, 647 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: obviously he was found guilty, but his lawyer appealed, saying 648 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: he was supposed to get a jury of his peers. 649 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: He was like, it's all white people here. And they 650 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: were like, well, see here's the thing. According to the constitution, 651 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: you white too, so you know what I'm saying. And 652 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: then and they were like, this is ridiculous these people. Look, yeah, 653 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: what are you talking about. He's like, you you know, 654 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: you know how ridiculous this is. So like so having 655 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: the buility into the constitution more than just two races, 656 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't. This is the sixties. So now don't surprise 657 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: me that it wasn't until the eighties that the idea 658 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: of colorism existed. And then how and to our shame, 659 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: how so good at it? We got right and it. 660 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: So that's part of the problem, right, is that it's 661 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: not that colorism doesn't exist. It's that literally the word 662 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. That they won't help us put a label 663 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: on it, and because they want the fighting to continue 664 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: without the logic that makes it reasonable. Much in the 665 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: way that this dude who's sitting on trial is sitting 666 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: there saying like, I am not the same. I'm not 667 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: the same as what you would consider your opposition. But 668 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not the same as y'all. And I don't 669 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: just pick sides simply because you've picked sides for yourselves. Yeah, 670 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: and y'all know that, and you know that, can you 671 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: know tell people that because it's easier to keep them 672 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: mad at each other than it is to help them 673 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: figure this ship out facts. And so one of the 674 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: things that I ended up finding is that when it 675 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: comes to looking up light skinned stuff in research a lot, 676 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of articles of people being like, this 677 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: was my experience as a kid and my being a 678 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: mixed person, and it to your your point about motherfucker's 679 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: being in their their feelings and and sort of like uh, 680 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: light skined behavior. Every article just reads like somebody being 681 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: like I wasn't black enough and nobody loved me, and 682 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: that's why I am who I am. It's like, Yo, 683 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: you gotta relax, bro. This working out your trauma on 684 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: paper like yeah, it never it never plays well because, 685 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: like you said, you haven't really. That's why I try 686 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: to lead out the box saying okay, listen, okay, yeah, 687 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm work. I'm working out my issues, all right. Uh, 688 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: I got to unpack some ship now. That's said, you 689 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: say it, yes, And so with that. One of the 690 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: things that that I think is one of the bigger 691 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: mistakes that these articles tend to do is that they 692 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: often do try to basically say that even if I'm 693 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: light skinned, I am still black, and therefore I am 694 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: still a victim and experiencer of all of the things 695 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: that make being black in America difficult. And while that 696 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: is true, light skinned people do suffer at the hands 697 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: of whatever American bullshit is. It ain't the same, do 698 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It ain't. This ain't exactly 699 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: equal in terms of the way that police handle me 700 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: since the way that they would handle you or any 701 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: of that ship like. And to not acknowledge that or 702 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: skip past that seems pretty wild. That is all I 703 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: ever wanted to hear from light skinned people. Oh hell yeah, 704 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: I did it. It's just listen, man, I recognize there 705 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: is a difference. Ye appreciate that because you because it 706 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: was more like you get the side eye from the 707 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: light skin dude. That's just like when the heat got bad, 708 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: you could just move to the other table and not 709 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: just be like Nike just words. It's like what he's like, 710 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing man like. Well, that's the thing. 711 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: It's not even that I have to move to the 712 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: other table. I'll sit there and watch them beat you first, 713 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: because they ain't gonna be mad at me the same. 714 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, you got that pretty caramel skin. 715 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: We ain't gonna mess that up, you know what I'm saying, 716 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: Like green eyes, you feel they're gonna yell at me, 717 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: but they ain't gonna hit me. You guys, they hit 718 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,800 Speaker 1: different different. Now, obviously we can't make that joke without 719 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: also talking about where that comes from. Right, So much 720 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: of this is rooted in the historical context of slaves 721 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: of slavery and the idea that lighter skinned slaves were 722 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: very often descendants of the people that were sucking their 723 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: owners and ship, and so with that they also were 724 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: treated often with a sense of care and preference that 725 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 1: wasn't afforded to their darker skin counterparts. That's where the 726 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: house slaves come from. That's where you know, all the 727 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: conversations about sort of like light skinned behavior, I think 728 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: are first found absolutely, you know, and then if you 729 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: can in your mind's eye like pull the like you said, 730 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: pull the pull the camera out a little higher to 731 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 1: be like they're victims of rape, man, you know what 732 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like these are products of rape, and how 733 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: mad at them for that? You know what I'm saying. 734 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: Like when you could get the camera out, you know 735 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But like, but now while you in 736 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: the thicket the ship, like you can't get the camera out, 737 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, so you're just like all I see is 738 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: you treated better, And like somehow you build this resentment, 739 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: like like you act like you deserved this ship, Like 740 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: you act like you deserve to be treated better, you 741 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Then, so were out in the 742 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: field like this, you know what I'm saying, Like and 743 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's interesting. You just build that resentment. But 744 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: again you get get far enough, you get enough space 745 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: from it where you just like s wools, just trying 746 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: to survive. Man, Like you can't help you know what 747 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Can't help what happened to you? You know 748 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And like, oh, what happened to your 749 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: your mama? You know what I'm saying. You can't help that, 750 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: you know So, I mean, I mean, wouldn't you you 751 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: could move into the house, wouldn't you move into the house. 752 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: And that's the hard part, right, is that we're all 753 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: just handing down trauma. We're all handing down different experiences, 754 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: and we can't dismiss those traumas, but we also shouldn't 755 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: be equating those traumas. Like I think, trauma is it 756 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: by it's very definition personal, it's something that that it's 757 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: truly only happening in you and your spirit and your experience. 758 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: And sometimes we can identify share traumas, but that doesn't 759 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: mean that everybody gets to just be in this shared 760 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: trauma together. And so to that, one of the larger 761 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: conclusions that I found myself thinking is like, man, we 762 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of fucked up by wanting to make everybody the same. 763 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: And that's a very American thing to be, like, you're 764 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 1: all black, even though none of you even look alike, 765 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: you're all kind of the same thing, and you'll just 766 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: unpack your trauma together when the reality is, to your point, 767 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: my ship comes from a type of colonization and rape. 768 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: Your ship comes from a different kind of colonization and rape. 769 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: We shouldn't be talking about them together. We kind of 770 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: need to go to a separate therapist and well come 771 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: back together. Is as separate people's healed, yeah, and being 772 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: able to like speak freely, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And plenty 773 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: of other countries have sort of like in some way 774 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: started to at least acknowledge that there is a separation 775 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: between these communities, right, Like you look at South Africa, 776 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: where like they do have now three distinctions at least 777 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: of like the way that they break down race that 778 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: it's the white people, it's the colored people, and then 779 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: there's like the black people. And while that is super 780 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: fucked up in terms of the way that like resources 781 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: are disseminated, it is at least more honest in terms 782 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: of like the cultural experience that these people are coming from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 783 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: that's crazy. How like you we could look across the 784 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: country to an apartheid and be like, well, they pick 785 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: out something we could like. Damn, that's kind of that's 786 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: they got a lot to go, you say, Damn, their 787 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: lives sucked, but man, they did the math better than 788 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,959 Speaker 1: we did a little better. Mad does make me feel, 789 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 1: ultimately though, that that if white people didn't act like 790 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: such dickheads, we might not even want to see ourselves 791 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: as the same race, right that, Like we might find 792 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: ourselves going like and in a beautiful way, not in 793 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: a way that's like us going like, y'll give me 794 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,759 Speaker 1: the funk away from these people, but more just be 795 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: me being like, his experience is not my experience. It 796 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be, and that's okay, And I can celebrate 797 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: that experience much in the way that you talk about 798 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: celebrating your wife's experience, even though it's different than your own. Man, 799 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: that's but us super profound cud yeah, because it's like, yeah, 800 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: the the we would have a different understanding of diet, 801 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: of the diaspora, and like the just pan ethnic terms 802 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: that like ultimately, like you said, they really only serve 803 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: whiteness by like even us using these words, it only 804 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: serves that, you know. So it's interesting to be like 805 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: if we would just reject them and just be like, no, 806 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: we're we're vastly different from each other. We have a 807 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: shared suffering, but we're also vastly very different, and I 808 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: could celebrate you know, this experience much different than and 809 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to feel like you have to compensate. 810 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: I remember I was I was dating um, a Belizian girl, 811 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: and for a long time, and we kept running up 812 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: against this often you know what I'm saying. Of like 813 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: I thought, I was like I wanted to honor her 814 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: Afro Caribbean like history, you know what I'm saying. But 815 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: she was very adamant of being like, but you know, 816 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm black, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but you're not 817 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: black like I am, you know, and it was like 818 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: but it was it was honestly like a point attention 819 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,919 Speaker 1: that like I just yeah, we didn't have we didn't 820 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 1: have the language for at the time, because she's reading 821 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: you're not black like I am, as a light against her, 822 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: somehow diminishing her blackness. In fact, you're just saying like, yo, 823 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: you didn't experience the same version of blackness that I exactly, 824 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: and that doesn't make you any less black. It just 825 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: means like different flavors, you know what I mean, Like 826 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,439 Speaker 1: different styles about this ship. Absolutely because in my mind 827 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I think it's dope, yo, saying I 828 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,479 Speaker 1: think it's that's that's dope, you know what I'm saying, 829 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: Like I just did it, but I didn't know how 830 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: to be like like you said, I didn't know how 831 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 1: to articulate and just say no, this is it's another 832 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: expression of blackness. Dan that's man. You you know you 833 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: wanted something. And see, that's my ultimate goal. If I 834 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: can figure out a way to make motherfucker's treat squinting 835 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: and getting in your feelings as cultural. Now we are 836 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 1: moving forward as a society. Thank you so much, propaganda, 837 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for inspiring me. I am not ready for 838 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: that hill. I'm still I'm still ascending this hill, brother, Lex, 839 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm still not there yet. I might not get there. 840 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: I was saying, but that's that is a good wrap 841 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: around to me having to accept the pretty boy, light 842 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 1: skinned sensitive. That's culture. Baby, it's culture. You can't I 843 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: can't be mad at culture. And you had to do 844 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: what you had to do to survive. All right, we're 845 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: gonna take another break. We'll be back with more propaganda 846 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: and more. My mama told me and we that Oh yes, 847 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: Ken Linda Nigga, Yeah, we're back here with more propaganda more. 848 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,839 Speaker 1: My mama told me that I was a fun one. 849 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: I was really surprised when I think I thought of that. 850 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was the one that I thought of. 851 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to give credit to anybody else for 852 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,439 Speaker 1: that one. Anyway, We're still talking about light skinned people 853 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: and their light skinned behavior, and their squinty eyes, and 854 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,439 Speaker 1: their their sensitive feelings. I want us to play a game. 855 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: Let's dig into a game if you if you're down, 856 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, this is a fun game. It's it's one 857 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: of our most classic games, which you personally requested, is 858 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: a game called homemade Hotep. So the way that this 859 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: game works, I'm going to introduce to you a real 860 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: fact out in the world, a fact that that is 861 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: that is a true I would love for you to 862 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 1: do is hotep the ship out of it because add 863 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,760 Speaker 1: as much hotep and and conspiratorial afrocentric Pan African bullshit 864 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: to it to make it as as hoteppy as possible. 865 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: Let's go, hell ya. So this is an interesting fact. 866 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 1: Apparently Uncle Ben's rice was air dropped to World War 867 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,760 Speaker 1: two troops during the war. At the time, they basically 868 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: figured out that Uncle Ben's rice they had put some 869 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: chemical in it that kept it from getting infested with 870 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,279 Speaker 1: bugs and eaten by rodents and ship and so they 871 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: would drop it over the troops during World War Two. 872 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: Why propaganda do you think that is? Well, because so 873 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,960 Speaker 1: you dropped the Uncle Ben's with the chemical things because 874 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: you know it was a sign that they have been 875 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,439 Speaker 1: experimenting with black men for years and what you learned 876 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: is that we are just resilient. So when you bring 877 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: that to the war did two things. It won. It 878 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: reminded these white soldiers that you're still being fed by 879 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,359 Speaker 1: the slaves, right, and so it makes them remind them 880 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: of like the America that they miss, you know what 881 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then for the brothers, it reminds you 882 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: that like, can nobody kill you? No matter what you're doing, 883 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: can nobody kill you? You know? So when you put 884 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: the two together, because you have the brothers out in 885 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: the front line and they needed something that reminds to 886 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,399 Speaker 1: them of like, look here, you know what I'm saying, 887 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: You resilient. I know. I know back home this how 888 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: they treat you. But I want you to know, man, 889 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: you know it show it shows. It's your homemade chip 890 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: Linds to get you through this. Tell me, you know 891 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We make treasure out of trash. You 892 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,320 Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. Treasure out of trash. That's what 893 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: we do. So when you on there, you know what 894 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. You stay in your fight, you stay in 895 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: your game. You let them crackers think that they're taking 896 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: care of us. You understand I'm saying, but that we 897 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 1: take care of him, we take care of him. M 898 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: there it is there. It is dropping that knowledge hall mother, 899 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,800 Speaker 1: there it is. What a perfect, perfect response the homemade 900 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: home dep I love it, you killed it. Thank thank you, 901 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,359 Speaker 1: thank you so much for my pleasure. Could you could 902 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: you tell the people at home where they can find 903 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: you what cool stuff you have going on? Yeah, so 904 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: prop hip hop dot com and prop hip hop is 905 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: also my socials. I just put out a poetry book. Look, 906 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,360 Speaker 1: so that's available there. I'm totally in the coffee you 907 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: can get that there. That's what I basically tweet and 908 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: post about his coffee poetry and the Lakers, and one 909 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,399 Speaker 1: of those said, right now, please don't remind me, Please 910 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: don't remind me. I was like almost through my TV 911 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: uh so that the Hood Politics Pod is cracking where 912 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: it's like, you know again, just taking a lens from 913 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: us who you know, kind of grew up either in 914 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,759 Speaker 1: gang banging life or around gang banging life, to just 915 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 1: kind of help us navigate the political landscape and just 916 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: kind of get your brain around what may be happening 917 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: in our world. So that's the hood politics pod or 918 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: put politics on your feed. But yeah, prop hip hop, 919 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 1: that's the way to get to everything. Hell yeah, go 920 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: to prop hip Hop and check out all this stuff. 921 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: And as always, you can follow me at Leankston Kerman 922 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,760 Speaker 1: and please if you have drops, if you have theories 923 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,480 Speaker 1: that you would like to send, you can send them 924 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: to my mama pod at gmail dot com. Yeah, that's it. 925 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 1: We did it, by bitch because I'm brown, bases my 926 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: crop chips in your hands, Uncola mares are racist. They 927 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: also players past the money versions defending turney stuff. I 928 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,640 Speaker 1: can't tell me, God,