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Speaker 1: in Japan, you you can find lactation bars where you

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Speaker 1: can order a glass of mummy's milk or even go

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Speaker 1: straight up and feed from the source. They have three

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Speaker 1: women working at that bar. That God, their nipples have

428
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Speaker 1: to be sore. I love they call it mummies, Like

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Speaker 1: a mummy is a dead body wrapped in it should

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Speaker 1: be mommy's milk or mother's milk. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: whole abbreviation for this, A b F. It's a thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and A and R. Adult nursing relationship. Oh wow, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like it's like it's like a whole new like

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Speaker 1: it's like a different form of like polyamoryus. Well, I

435
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Speaker 1: feel like an adult nursing relationship sounds a little less

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Speaker 1: sexual than adult breastfeeding. Really, yeah, does to you because

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Speaker 1: it's a nursing relationship, Like it sounds a little more

438
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: like it's a cut health consequences. I went on a

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Speaker 1: deep dive on the captions on that vice thing on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and a lot of people started bringing up Freud.

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Speaker 1: They're like, Freud just rolled over in his grave. Dear Freud,

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Speaker 1: dat dat dot um, because what is it complex? But

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Speaker 1: he kills his dad to be with his mom. Is

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00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: that the right story. Yeah, that's the mythology. Um. But yeah,

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00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: it's like the Oedipus complex is is where there's anger.

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00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: There's love towards the your parent of opposite sex, and

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Speaker 1: anger towards the parent of your same So I mean

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Speaker 1: it goes like it can also work where there's like

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Speaker 1: it's daddy's girl and mama's little boy. Is sort of

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Speaker 1: the modern day version of Oedipus complex, which is all

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Speaker 1: emotionally related to It's like emotional incest. That's a thing,

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Speaker 1: like laughing that is an actual thing. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: There's also the like you know, it's programming too. It's

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Speaker 1: like we all think of mom's a little boy and

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Speaker 1: Daddy's a little girl. It's like a thing. With my

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Speaker 1: partner ever was like, hey can I breastf it? It

457
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Speaker 1: might be like let me tell you about this book first.

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Speaker 1: Just come to mother hunger, read this book, and then

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Speaker 1: let me know because get back to me all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what would you do if you were No,

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Speaker 1: you can't. It just doesn't. I can't think of an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But if your partner came to you and was like,

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Speaker 1: would you start taking progesterone and get your prolactin levels

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Speaker 1: up so that you could breastfeed me. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: would you probably just feel like if well, because it

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Speaker 1: would probably have like, I don't do I need progesterone?

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Speaker 1: Is that going to make my balls come up? I

468
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Speaker 1: don't know what it would do to you, But I

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Speaker 1: had to take it for when I was doing fertility

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Speaker 1: stuff and it made me angry. It is like it was,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, the mood swings and hot flashes. All

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Speaker 1: of those hormones are no joke. They're terrible, and you're

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Speaker 1: probably it's probably like the levels that you're putting them

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Speaker 1: into your body are probably pretty high versus what you're

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Speaker 1: like your body is like naturally producing at a whatever rates. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: like when we start to go into menopause, a lot

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Speaker 1: of times women have to take progesterone. Progesteron what that

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Speaker 1: one is so hard for me to say. My body

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00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: is like fighting at that much. It hated it. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know where we go from here. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess I've got a question. Does anyone out there

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Speaker 1: adult breastfeed? If you adult breastfeed and you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast, I need to talk to you asap because

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00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: I have sold interview them. I would love to. I

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Speaker 1: would love nothing more because I need a better understanding.

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Speaker 1: It's like the weird thing where we were like giggling

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00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: earlier talking about it, and like when I was researching,

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00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: I started busting out laughing multiple times, and then I

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Speaker 1: feel guilty because it's like you don't want to knock

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Speaker 1: people for their you know what turns up on it

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00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: or your kinks or whatever. Um. I guess it's just

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00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: it's so bizarre in and of itself, just because I

493
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: also just did this podcast about mother right well, and

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Speaker 1: I did say, like when we were I was like,

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Speaker 1: we have to be careful not to like be judging people,

496
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: and it's like yeah, because it's not like us giggling

497
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: is more like finding out about sex for the first

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Speaker 1: time versus like, oh this is disgusting. Like I really

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Speaker 1: just don't understand. I can't wrap my head around the

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Speaker 1: concept of like having the desire to do it, like

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00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: give or receive. Um, it just feels awkwardating. It's really fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So if anybody has participated, even if it's not an

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Speaker 1: active participation, still I would be curious to hear like

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Speaker 1: a firsthand account. I have something to say when you

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Speaker 1: say participated. So I was thinking about this because I

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Speaker 1: read some some people just genuinely like the tastes, like

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00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: they were saying. Other reasons why other people might like

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00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: it is um for cooking purposes like that breast milk

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00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: is typically sweet and creamy. I don't agree with that um.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because so my

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Speaker 1: high school best friend she had a baby. Like she

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Speaker 1: was like, so, we're really young. She was the first

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Speaker 1: one of my friends to have babies, and we I

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Speaker 1: went to go a visitor. This was like, she had

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Speaker 1: had the baby, but she's still breastfeeding. And we all

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Speaker 1: started drinking wine and so we were One of the

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Speaker 1: girls was like, I dare you to take a shot

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Speaker 1: at Caitlin's breast book and I was like, no chance.

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: But then we kept like we were doing all this,

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Speaker 1: like you know, stupid conversations like that, and I was like, fine,

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Speaker 1: fun it, I'll do it. So we filled a shot

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Speaker 1: glass with her breast milk and I took it and

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00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: I almost threw up. I made my other friend do it.

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Speaker 1: It tasted really earthy. At first, I was like, oh,

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00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: it was not bad, but then it's like it starts

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00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: to taste really earthy, and the aftertaste and then it

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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: reminds you of where it came from, and you're like,

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00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: just like I don't know. All of it felt really

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Speaker 1: gross and disturbing. UM. My other friend and Sarah did it,

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Speaker 1: Like we both had the same reaction, like at first

531
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: we're like, it's not that bad. It's really not that bad.

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00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a video of us even saying that,

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: and then it immediately you watch our face like turned white,

534
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: and I wonder how much of your like the mental

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00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: thought of it versus the actual taste. But hers was

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Speaker 1: not sweet or I mean, I guess it's creamy, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't sweet. It was like earthy. Is it like

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00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: thick creamy or I feel like it would be like

539
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: milky waters? Yeah, it's it is more like milky water.

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00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: It's not like the milk that you drink from the

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00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: carton right. Well, some other some other reasons why people

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00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: do it is you got more Yeah, immunosuppressed individuals, which

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00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: is transpatitions because it's full of white blood cells. Um

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00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: people with Chron's disease and other digestive issues. But something

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00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: that we should say, like, if anyone's inspired by just

546
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: even hearing about this idea. Yeah, make sure that you

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00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: trust the source, because it can you can get HIV

548
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: like it's it's a bodily fluid, so diseases can be

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00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: passed and transmitted. So make sure that whoever's titties you're

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00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: sucking has a clean bill of elf. Thank you. That

551
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: is my your disclaimer. Well, it's a public service announcement.

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00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: That was my there, you know today on a very

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00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: special blossom Blossom sucks her mom's tips. Joey sucks blossoms tips.

554
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: Now gets really dark. Okay, Bloom wasn't old enough to

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00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: like Tate, was she? No? I mean no. But also,

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00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: you don't just do that, As I was trying to

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: tell you earlier. It's not like we just walk around lacked.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what hormones treatments Blossom was on. Blossom

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00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: was not on any hormone treatment. She had enough as

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Speaker 1: a teenage girl. Did you see that she danced like

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00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: she was happy? Anyway? Anyway, the biggest thing we need

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00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: to know is if any of you guys do this,

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00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: If any of you guys adult breastfeed a bf UM

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Speaker 1: also a R or in it. You're in an a

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Speaker 1: R N R N whatever adults a n R sorry,

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00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: adult nursing relationship sounds conserned? Yea um or, I just

567
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts really, because I feel like

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00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: we just need some feedback on this one. Yeah, I mean,

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: I really hope we hear from people, and we'll keep

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00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: your names out of it unless you want to still

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: use your names all you all Chelsea, Susan and Chelsea.

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00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: There are only two listeners. Um, all right, you guys

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00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: keep the emails coming to the Edge at Velvet's edge

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: dot com, specifically about a b F and a R

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00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: in Excuse me, I was giving you a joke for

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00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: the ad where you just made me sitting here silent?

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00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: Did you want to try to introduce you that this

578
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: we'll try to switch it up and that guys? Um anyway,

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00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: Chip just things he came up with the funniest joke ever,

580
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: So I'll like, no, I don't want to do it.

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: You have to. There's no we're not ready yet. I'm

582
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: still I mean, I'm still telling the people where to

583
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: reach it. You still have to go see hi, p

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00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: um So email us at the edge at velvet edge

585
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: dot com. You can always hit me up on Instagram

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: at Velvet's Edge. Up is at Chip doorsh which is

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Speaker 1: c A chap R and that little extra breast milk

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Speaker 1: flavor to it. And here is chips really well crafted

589
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: joke that he just made you guys listen to silence

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00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: for to try to tell me while he pointed at

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: his breast. So when you're out there sucking on your

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00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: mom's titty or your girlfriend's titty or love's titty at

593
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: the bar, always remember to a casual. Maybe you should

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00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: do it every week. Oh my god, I feel so

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Speaker 1: dark right now. By