1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. Holmes present Killer Thriller with your 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everyone, a Lisa Donovan here back 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: with a new episode of Killer Thriller. Today. On Killer Thriller, 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: we are talking about the case of Adam Walsh, which 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: is the story of a young boy who was kidnapped 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: from a shopping mall and brutally murdered, and his father, 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: John Walsh, went on to become the face of America's 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Most Wanted and he and his wife, Ervey, co founded 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. It is 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: a truly extraordinary story. And my guest today is Joe 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Beth Williams, who plays Revey Walsh in the TV movie Adam, 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: and I just first before we can get into that, 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: we just did the interview and I really need to 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: break it down with my producer Chrissy. Let's talk about 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: I had no idea that we were going to learn 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: that you spent so much time with them, that they 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: were on the set. 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 2: This is like our first guest that really was being 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: coached on what the real feelings of these real people 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: were in real time, and that to me just blows 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: my mind. 22 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: It completely blew my mind as well. And she is 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: such a con I mean, she is a queen. First 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: of all. Let's just say that outright. Joe Beth Williams 25 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: is just one of the greats of all time and 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: what a lovely person. I truly feel like it was 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: a gift that I got to speak with this woman, 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: and she just the nuance and the care, like she 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: just was living it in real time, and I just 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't get over it. 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: Let's like break it down, right, so like for for 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: people who don't really know, like I mean, nowadays, people 33 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 2: don't really know what malls are but. 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Exists that it's fair fair. 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: But like like tell me, like. 36 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: To me, to me. One of the things, as as 37 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: a mother, the thing I think about so much is 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: that this mother just brought her her child to the store. 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: A mall is a grouping of stores in an indoor area, 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: and so she brought her son with her to go 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: shopping for this lamp and says, yes, you can stay 42 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: over here watching these video games for a few minutes 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: while I go and handle this thing. And with within 44 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: less than five minutes, her son was gone. And as 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: a parent, as a mother, it's that's like your absolute 46 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: worst nightmare, Like she must the guilt, this woman must 47 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: have felt on top of the grief on all of it, 48 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: like I just it is. It is absolutely unimaginable. So 49 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: they and it took weeks for them to locate his body. 50 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: And it's just it's an absolutely despicable crime. The child 51 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: was beheaded and they found his head and that is 52 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: how they identified him. It's and then the case was 53 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: wrought with all of this misinformation and botched things and 54 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: rules that existed at the time about whether or not 55 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: the FBI can be involved and at what point and 56 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: if you go across state lines, like all of this 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: sort of just red tape, which is one of the 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: things that John Walsh and Revey dove into and made 59 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: actual real change to policy afterwards. 60 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: And now knowing that, like John Walsh was there so much, 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: when you think about the film and you think about 62 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: the crime, you're thinking now, like, oh, okay, so the 63 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: next town over couldn't help them because they had their 64 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: own problems or like they really did sleep in a 65 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: police station to be able to X to get as 66 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: much information as they could. 67 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to keep pressing them right to be like 68 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: this this is a problem. He's gone, like, I it's 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: just it's it's really uh, this is like this movie 70 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: is so powerful. 71 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: But they became two people who couldn't walk down a 72 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: street without someone being like, I too have this problem, 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: and I too don't know how to do it. And 74 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: it made John want to solve this problem. And they 75 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: turned tragedy into something that he used television to tell 76 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: his story. 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Yes, and I love that we talk about that too, 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: that it really is is using that platform for good. 79 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean it truly kind of changed how the everyone 80 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: looked at not only that case, but going forward how 81 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean that also birthed the children on milk curtains 82 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: and all of those things that as a child of 83 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: the eighties I distinctly remember, and I remember being afraid 84 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: that looking at the first looking at the bottom, you know, 85 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: the milk cartons, and being like, oh, why is this 86 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: person on a you know, like why is there a 87 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: picture there? Why is this? Then when you understood why, 88 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: it was terrifying. 89 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they used the media to tell their story. 90 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: Now like and nowadays, you something happens, there's a crime, 91 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: it's it's on television within like two seconds, right, And 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: before this was kind of like the case that kind 93 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: of like used media to help find and solve these 94 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: crimes for like really the first time, and using news 95 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: and press conferences and all these kinds of things to 96 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: add devate like a citizen search, if you right, I 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 2: guess it's the best way to kind of put it. 98 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: So I think that like all of that in this story, 99 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: and then because they knew that power, that's how he became. 100 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: Literally the face of saving children. I get he really 101 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: is extraordinary. What he did with this. 102 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: Tragedy and becoming the face of America's most wanted is 103 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: probably birthed out of seeing how good just putting as 104 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: much out there into the world could be could help 105 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: solve more case. 106 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: Yes, and that that real deep personal passion that he 107 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: has for those circumstances is what compelled the show. You know, 108 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't just the host of this show. He had 109 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: a deep, deep goal in mind every second. It's really incredible. 110 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for people to listen today. Okay, 111 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: so here is my interview with Joebeth Williams, star of 112 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: the TV movie Adam. Welcome, Joe Beth, thank you. I 113 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: have to say I am just truly honored to be 114 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: speaking with you because I have been a huge fan 115 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: of yours for so very many years, and when I 116 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: started doing this podcast, I wasn't really thinking about how, 117 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I might get the opportunity to speak 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: to some people that I really admire, and this is 119 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: one of those moments. So thank you very much for 120 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: doing this. 121 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you happy to be here. 122 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: So we are talking about, obviously, Adam, this pretty groundbreaking 123 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: TV movie in the sense that it was one of 124 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: the very first true crime television films, and it's unique 125 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: in a multitude of ways, but which we'll get into. 126 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: But do you remember where you were when you first 127 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: heard about the story. 128 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I think I was still living in 129 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: New York. Then I was back and forth between LA 130 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: and New York, and I remember just being so emotionally 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: devastated when I read the script and when I knew 132 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 3: that it was of course a true story. And then 133 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: I found out that the Walshes, John and Reve Walsh, 134 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 3: who were the parents at Adam Walsh, who was the 135 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: child who was kind and murdered, that they were going 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: to be there sometimes on the set, and I thought 137 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: I didn't know how they would be able to do that, 138 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: and I didn't know how we would be able to 139 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: Daniel Travante and I by then. I mean it was 140 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: such a gift in a way, but also a sort 141 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: of heavy cloak to wear because we were playing real people, 142 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: and we were playing real people who had been through 143 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: this tragedy, this horrific tragedy. 144 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that was I mean, you just answered like seventeen 145 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: of my questions in their instances, because that is that's 146 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: such a great way to describe it, a heavy cloak. 147 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Do you remember what you even said to them the 148 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: first time you met them, Like that's such a loaded moment, 149 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: you know. 150 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: I think the first thing I said was, you know, 151 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: probably something inept, like I'm so sorry for your long boss. 152 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: I mean, right, you don't know what to say to 153 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: people who've been through that. I'm not gonna try and 154 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: be you or imitate you. I you know, I just 155 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: hope that I can bring an emotional life that you 156 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: will feel is truthful, right, right, And having not been 157 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: a mother myself at that point. 158 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh, that's what I was going to ask, because it's 159 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: if you were a mother yet and not yet at 160 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:37,239 Speaker 1: that point. 161 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: No, I wasn't, but I I was married to my husband, 162 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: and I knew that I had always wanted to have kids. 163 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: I'd always felt that I wanted to have kids because 164 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: I was an only child, and as I used to see, 165 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: I was a lonely child, although I had a thousand 166 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: cousins everywhere. But so I really wanted a family and 167 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: I wanted kids. And so this show really made me 168 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: think about what a how would you deal with a 169 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: lots like that? How would you deal if basically a 170 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: part of you was ripped away by some stranger and 171 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: it was hard? Yeah, it was hard, and it really 172 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: it really put my life in perspective in a strange. 173 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: Way, right I bet Well. I want to say, for 174 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't seen it, the everyone but you and 175 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Daniel in particular, you're You're just both extraordinary in this movie, 176 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Like it's it's uh, I don't even know how to 177 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: describe it. It's extraordinarily painful and so nuanced, and I 178 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: almost feel like I'm shocked that they and thrilled that 179 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: they put this on television, Like it's it's so raw. 180 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask a couple of specifics that 181 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: scene when the two of you, when they Daniel is playing. 182 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: John Walsh gets the phone call that they have found 183 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: they have identified Adam's body and that scene in the hotel. 184 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: Do you remember how you even prepared for that or 185 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: how you did it? It's one among many of extraordinary scenes, 186 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: but that is a very, very viscerally intense scene. So 187 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: did they have any input on that? Do you remember 188 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: shooting it, how you prepared it, do you remember any 189 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: of that. 190 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: I didn't feel that I could actually ask Revet about 191 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: that moment, but John Walsh talked to Daniel Fravante about it. 192 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: He did, he did, and he described tearing up the 193 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: hotel room when he got the news. And I think 194 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: Daniel and I both did our own personal emotional preparation, 195 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: you know, to be available for what might happen. And 196 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: I remember that that Daniel went crazy. He basically went crazy, 197 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: and you know, it's one of those things when you're 198 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 3: an actor and at the end of the day, you go, 199 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 3: why am I putting myself through this? But it was 200 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: it was extraordinary to watch, particularly to watch Dan Travanti 201 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: go go through that emotional arc because he was amazing 202 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: and he had never experienced anything like that in his life, 203 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: and it made me realize, you know, what we can 204 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: do as actors, what we can convey. 205 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: We should get into the One of the things that 206 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: is so unusual. I don't think I've ever seen this 207 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: before or since, that at the end of the movie 208 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: they show all these faces of actual missing children who 209 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: were currently missing at the time, and John Walsh's voice 210 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: he narrates it. And I'm getting chills thinking about because 211 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was coming up at the 212 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: end of the move When I watched it, I couldn't 213 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: And I was so struck by that, and the fact 214 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: that the airing of the movie actually helped to find 215 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: so many children and to be able to prosecute some 216 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: of the perpetrators. I just I it's extraordinary. And did 217 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: you know was that in the original script? Did you 218 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: know that was going to be at the end? 219 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: It was not in the original script. I think I 220 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: knew that they were going to do something like that, 221 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: that they were going to show pictures of missing kids, 222 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: because John Walsh, of course went on to help establish 223 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 3: the Center National Center for Missing. 224 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Missing Exploited Children. 225 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, he he was he had taken 226 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: what had happened to him and to them and he 227 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: had this fervor, he had this mission, and so I 228 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: don't think any of us, when we were doing it, 229 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: realized the impact that it would happen, and that that 230 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: sort of opened up our nation in a way to 231 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: looking at that horrible issue and the statistics and the 232 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: fact that these kids were still missing and changed the 233 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: way the public thought about it. And I really I 234 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: don't I don't think any of it us sort of 235 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: anticipated that, but it made me always feel very great 236 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: about having been involved. Yes, object that had that kind 237 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: of impact. 238 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: Right his I mean, his work is on I'm always 239 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: struck by you know this, this turning your pain into purpose, 240 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: which sounds very simple and trite when we say it, 241 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: but he's one of these people that is a true 242 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: example of that. And I, you know, I think that's 243 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: probably how or I know from I have a dear 244 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: friend lost a child a few years ago, and today 245 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: actually happens to be the anniversary of that. So this 246 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: is a particularly present thing for me today. And uh 247 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: she has done something similar where I think that you 248 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: come to this place of you, you make a choice 249 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: to keep going or you don't, and that's sort of 250 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: one of the ways that you know in our human experience, 251 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: we can, we can continue to function because it's such 252 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: a loss of of of epic proportions that I don't 253 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: know how else you survive if you don't put it 254 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: into something, you know, something that is positive. 255 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: Uh. 256 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: Did you keep in contact with them after the movie? 257 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: A little bit? I had, you know, I I saw 258 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: John a few times over the years when he was 259 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: doing you know, his show and stuff. I haven't seen Revet. 260 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 3: I don't think since since the atom you know, days 261 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 3: of shooting and right after. But I do know I certainly, 262 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 3: you know, sort of kept watch on them in a way. 263 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 3: And I know they went on and had other kids. Yes, Yes, 264 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: which is amazing because with many many couples who suffer 265 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: something like this, the marriage doesn't survive, yes, because the 266 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: pain is just too great. But these were two very 267 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: brave and amazing people. M And I think John just 268 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: was so committed to what he was doing that he 269 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: sort of held everything together in a way. 270 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: Those are another several great strong scenes in this movie, 271 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: The moment when the two of you are talking about 272 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: when they have that realization of you can't run from it, 273 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: we can't fly somewhere, you can't go somewhere else. You 274 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: sort of can't escape it, like you can't and what 275 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: do you do? And I think your character says something like, 276 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: I don't you know, like I have I'm numb, but 277 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: I have all these tears. I don't know where they're 278 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: coming from. And it's like it just is this endless 279 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: kind of you just don't know where where to go 280 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: or how you're going to survive it. And I did 281 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: think did they talk at all? Well, first of all, 282 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: did Revey ever say anything to you about your performance? 283 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: In particular? 284 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 3: I felt from her that I had her blessing in 285 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 3: a way, right, And I know certainly they were they 286 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: were really happy that that it got the kind of 287 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: attention that it did, because yes, really helped their desire 288 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: to make it a national issue. 289 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: Right right, I mean in that America's Most Wanted became 290 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: a hugely successful program that he created that also wound 291 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: up saving a multitude of children and find many perpetrators, 292 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: including Elizabeth Smart's case that was apparently a you know, 293 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: it was going cold and they couldn't find anyone, and 294 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: he put the perpetrator on television and they caught him. 295 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of it's just unreal, and there were all 296 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: so many laws. This is something that I just learned. 297 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you knew this, that they code 298 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: atom is now a thing that they use in department 299 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: stores and malls, and it's something that they train everyone 300 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: in apparently, and they will say code atom if a 301 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: child is missing, and that then triggers all of these 302 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: protocols like shutting of doors. Everyone has a specific job, 303 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: like your primary purpose. You stop what you're doing and 304 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: you look for this child, like all the people that 305 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: work in these stores. I mean, it's it's really amazing 306 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: what he's what he's done. 307 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: It is extraordinary. It's extraordinary. Yeah, that you know that 308 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: that one movie on television can have that kind of 309 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: impact kind of makes you wonder why we don't use 310 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: it better? 311 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: Right, right, right, it's such a resource that we could 312 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: really utilize in a far more positive way. 313 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: Well it's you know, but also it's also for entertainment, 314 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: so it's right, Yeah, it's a right, I guess. 315 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: Also, you're returning to the big screen in another project 316 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: where you have lost a child, and it's called it's 317 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: Joe Carnihan's survival thriller Not Without Hope and it's based 318 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: on the true story book about the two thousand and 319 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: nine Golf of Mexico accident. So what is what do 320 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: you want to tell us about that? And because this time, 321 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: I mean it's a different story obviously, but it's the 322 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: similarity of a mother losing a child. 323 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: Was there. 324 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: Did you feel any connection between the two pieces or. 325 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: Well, I've for whatever reason throughout my career. I mean, 326 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 3: if you look at Poltergeist, for example, there's a there 327 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm playing a mother of a missing child. 328 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: So great, Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about. 329 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that, but I have to 330 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: rescue her right. This seemed to be my callings. 331 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: It's a recurring theme for you. 332 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: I've had many you know, now adult people say I 333 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 3: wanted you to be my mummy because you went to 334 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: come back to get to get right. 335 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: I felt that way. Poultergeist was the first film of yours, 336 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: the first project of yours that I saw because I 337 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: was too young at the time for a big chill 338 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: in some of like the other amazing movies, but wow, Poultergeist. 339 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Poltergeist like multiple in the theater viewings of that movie. 340 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: And certainly, I mean now I am a mother now, 341 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: I have children and a grandchild. And it was interesting 342 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 3: because when I did not without hope, which was you know, 343 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: just very recently, and it is a true story. And 344 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 3: again I played a woman whose son is out in 345 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: a fishing boat with friends and they can't find them. 346 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 3: They don't come back, the coastguard can't find the huge 347 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: storm comes up, so you know, I'm left I and 348 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 3: my ex husband and my son's girlfriend and all are 349 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 3: just left not knowing. And I certainly some of some 350 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: of what I some of the feelings that came out 351 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: in Adam and even in Poltergeist were there the sort 352 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: of the terror and in this case the anger of 353 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: this woman who can't get answers from chicerarly from the coastguard. 354 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 3: And Josh Duamel plays the the head of the Coastguard, 355 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 3: who I'm you know, demanding answers about why they haven't 356 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 3: found my son and why they can't get helicopters out there, 357 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: and all of that sort of mother mother, lioness, protective 358 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: insis came came to the four in this movie and 359 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 3: it's a powerful story. It's it's really amazing. And Joe 360 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 3: Krnan his direction, I mean, we shot in Malta with 361 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 3: in this huge tank that levels out into the ocean 362 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: actually so they could shoot the boat scenes, which are 363 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 3: extraordinary and these guys trying to survive in this storm. 364 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 3: It's a it's a good movie. It really is a 365 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: good movie. It's got Zachary Levi and Josh Tamel and. 366 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: Ten you that's all that matters and. 367 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: Me and Forriana Lima and a wonderful cast. But it's 368 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: and it's still in theaters somewhere but some places. But 369 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: it's also now available video on demand and it's going 370 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: to be streaming on Paramount Plus starting in April. So 371 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: okayat it's it's a really it's it'll hold you. It's 372 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 3: and it's a true story. 373 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: So I will definitely watch it before we close. Did 374 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: you know that they were going to do the sequel 375 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 4: to Adam while you were while you were shooting the 376 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 4: first one or did that come later? 377 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: It later? 378 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had no idea that there would be the sequel, 379 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 3: and and I'm sure it may have been the minds 380 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: of the you know, writers and producers, but I'm sure 381 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: it was it was when they saw the impact of 382 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: what the first one had that they felt it would 383 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: that they should extend the story. Yeah, and so that 384 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: that was very interesting too, to sort of do the 385 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: continuation of that. 386 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: Right, which covers a lot of the the that struggle 387 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: to keep the marriage together and of all of the 388 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: things that come in the in in in in the aftermath. 389 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 3: Right. 390 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: Well, I just this has been such a pleasure for me. 391 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: You're I'm truly a fan, as I said, and I 392 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: admire you and this this movie is really just it's beautiful. 393 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: And I know the sect. The sequel is streaming and 394 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: you I think you can see the original as well, 395 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: and I just recommend that people do. And uh, is 396 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: there anything else you'd like to add? 397 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: No, not really, just that it's a for me. It's 398 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: been a real honor to play some real women. I 399 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: played Marybeth Whitehead, who was the first surrogate mother in 400 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: a Baby m And it's always complicated. I mean, there 401 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 3: are always many sides and you know, many directions that 402 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: and many different points of view about different people who 403 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 3: are real people. So that's been interesting. But as an actress, 404 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: it's provided me with a real challenge that I have 405 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: enjoyed being able to pursue. 406 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: I always wonder if these projects. Do you think that 407 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: there was any kind of personal healing for John and 408 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: Revey from doing this movie or certainly I know because 409 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: it did so much for their organizations and the work 410 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: that they were doing. But I do wonder if personally, 411 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, it gave them any kind of healing or enclosure. 412 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever really gets that. 413 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: But I don't feel really equipped to say, but my 414 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: instinct says yes, that that they found sort of a 415 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: strengthening of a direction and a purpose, particularly after people 416 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 3: saw it and there was this huge response. I'm sure 417 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: that must have helped them sort of find a way 418 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: to use their energies and their grief that was productive 419 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: at the time when we were shooting. I don't know. 420 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: I know that it was very hard for them both, 421 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: particularly for Revey I think, to be there when we 422 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 3: were when we were actually shooting, But John Walsh was 423 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: just he was very determined and so he was there 424 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: quite a. 425 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Lot, quite a lot. Yeah. Well, I have really enjoyed 426 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: spending time with you, and thank you so much for 427 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: being with me today. 428 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: Thank you, It's been a pleasure, a real pleasure. 429 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: Glad and again you can catch Joebeth's new movie Not 430 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Without Hope in limited theaters now and it will start 431 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: streaming in April. So I want to hear what cases 432 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: you all are interested in hearing about. What are you 433 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: watching that you want us to talk about? What actors 434 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: or producers or directors or writers do you want to 435 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: hear from. 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