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Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we head to Fort Worth, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Who's going on there? Wherever? Fult doors have been opened

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Speaker 1: since ten o'clock and I haven't seen anybody moving around?

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Speaker 1: Is not normal for them? Half both for the doors

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Speaker 1: opened this time? Right? Okay, you know if anyone is inside,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, joining Nancy Grace. Darryl Cohen, former Assistant

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Speaker 1: District Attorney Fulton County, Georgia, now a criminal defense lawyer.

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Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years Atlanta Metro Major Case

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Speaker 1: detective SWAT officer, retired doctor Katherine Maloney with Nickel City

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Speaker 1: Forensics and Medical Examiner, Erie County, New York. And doctor

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Speaker 1: Carlo Marie Manley, clinical psychologist and author of Joy from Fear.

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Speaker 1: And reporter Dave Mack from Crime online dot Com Climb

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Don't work. Police operator Amy seventy

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Speaker 1: three with seat dress. I'm calling about my neighbor. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're a little three East Allen Avenues. Okay, twelve uh

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Speaker 1: three East Allen Avenue? What's going on there? Where? The

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Speaker 1: front doors has been open since ten o'clock and I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen anybody moving around. It's not normal for them.

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Speaker 1: An both of the doors open this time. I'm okay,

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Speaker 1: you know if anyone is inside, I'm not sure both

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Speaker 1: of the calls were there, okay, he ain't there in

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Speaker 1: the driveway or both of cars in the driveway years okay,

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Speaker 1: can't you give me a description like a color of

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Speaker 1: the vehicles? Were ones? White ones? Bo? The white one?

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Speaker 1: Is it today? Inn? Or a seebee? Okay? Little today is? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And what's your name? James Smith? And what's here? Tell us?

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Speaker 1: I number got um and they usually home at this time.

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Speaker 1: They use your home, but they've never had both of

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Speaker 1: the fundings open their lights on on my cocking See

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Speaker 1: street through the house when my sister will me up.

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Speaker 1: She started across the street from then my live opposite

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Speaker 1: side of my sister. Okay, and raddress actually giving me

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Speaker 1: twelve h three that's their address correct? Yes, okay, well

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Speaker 1: I have an officer come by. They're already being especial now, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, if there's no normal, you can

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Speaker 1: have both the duores open this week for a long ya. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. You are hearing a concerned nambor

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Speaker 1: James Smith calling nine one one about a welfare check

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Speaker 1: It ends with a then Fort Worth police officer gunning

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Speaker 1: down a twenty eight year old woman in her own home.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us, with me an all star a lineup.

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Speaker 1: Former prosecutor now defense attorney. You were now to attorney

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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jane Shell notot

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Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro major case detective SWAT officer now lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Katherine Maloney Nickel City Forensics Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,

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Speaker 1: Erie County. Doctor Carlo Manley, clinical psychologist, author of Joy

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Speaker 1: from Fear. You can find her at doctor Carlomanley dot com,

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Speaker 1: but now joining me Crime online dot com. Investigative journalist

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Speaker 1: Dave mac Dave. It's almost too much to take in,

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Speaker 1: but hold on. Take a listen to our friend Marcus

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Speaker 1: Moore at ABC News. Police officer killed twenty eight year

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Speaker 1: old Tatiana Jefferson in her own home, sparked by a

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Speaker 1: phone call from a concerned neighbor. He noticed her front

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Speaker 1: door was open and called police on a non emergency

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Speaker 1: line to ask for a welfare check. The dispatcher immediately

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Speaker 1: sending officers to her home, but then the encounter turns deadly.

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Speaker 1: In this bodycam video, the responding officer approaches Jefferson's bedroom

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Speaker 1: window and begins shouting commands, but he has not hurt,

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Speaker 1: identifying himself, I'm feeling it, then fighting one deadly shot

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Speaker 1: through the window. Police say the officer quote perceived a threat,

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Speaker 1: but they suggest that proper procedures may not have been followed.

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Speaker 1: There was no time for her to respond. It was reckless,

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Speaker 1: deadly behavior. A Tatiana's family says her eight year old

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Speaker 1: when she was shot. When I made that none emerency call,

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Speaker 1: I didn't say it was a burglary. I didn't say

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Speaker 1: people are fighting across the street. I didn't say there's

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Speaker 1: think they needed to do have a gun. All they

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Speaker 1: needed to do was knock on the door. In the

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Speaker 1: for even calling in a wellness check back to Dave

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Speaker 1: Matt crimal line dot com investigative journalists. What happened, Dave Nancy,

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Speaker 1: This went bad from the very beginning. As you noted

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Speaker 1: it was a non emergency call for a wellness check. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Fort Worth Police Department they don't discern the difference

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Speaker 1: So the police showed up like it was a math emergency,

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Speaker 1: like they had a real criminal thing going on inside.

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Speaker 1: But this woman, she's twenty eight years old, she's college educated,

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Speaker 1: graduated an in biology degree. She's babysitting her eight year

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Speaker 1: She hears these police. Normally, you would park out front

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Speaker 1: they didn't. They parked around the side and actually stormed

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Speaker 1: so I'd thinking, hey, I got a prowler. It's two

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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. Why are there people out around

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Speaker 1: the outside of my house. She looks out the window.

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Speaker 1: Nobody identifies themselves as a police officer. Officer Aaron Deane

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Speaker 1: been on a fource a year and a half, never

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Speaker 1: your hands. Within two and a half seconds, she is

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Speaker 1: to our friend Alan Martinet KPI XCBF. The family of

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Speaker 1: a Tatiana Jefferson is outraged that the police officer who

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Speaker 1: own home is not in handcuffs. This man murdered someone.

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Speaker 1: He should be arrested. Fort Worth Police released body camera

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Speaker 1: video showing the officer, Aaron Dean, outside the house with

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Speaker 1: a flashlight. Video shows he never identified himself as a

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Speaker 1: police officer before firing a shot into a window where

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Speaker 1: Jefferson's eight year old nephew was just steps away. What

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Speaker 1: would have happened if that little boy went to the

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Speaker 1: have fired him for violations of several policies, including our

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Speaker 1: use of force policy. The Fort Worth Police Department has

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Speaker 1: expected to announce Tuesday whether Dean will face criminal charges.

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Speaker 1: Dean has not agreed to be interviewed by police, and

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Speaker 1: of course since that time, the former officer, Aaron Deane,

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Now, what we understand is that the

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Speaker 1: perform a wellness check after a neighboring notice that I

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Speaker 1: taught to. Gianna Jefferson's front door was opened at two

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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. James Sheldon explained, what is the

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Speaker 1: wellness check? Yeah, well, let's check it something that officers

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Speaker 1: Uniform division, and they just simply go out and check

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Speaker 1: the welfare of an individualists exactly as it sounds. These

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Speaker 1: of call that you would response. So Daryl Cohen, former

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Speaker 1: it so significant, You're Dave Max stating that this was

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Speaker 1: not a call about a fight. There were no gunshots heard,

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Speaker 1: there was not an argument going on. There wasn't a

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Speaker 1: perceived burglary going on. Why is it significant that this

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Speaker 1: going down. It was merely to see if everything in

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Speaker 1: And why in the world why any reasonable person would

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Speaker 1: That is not reasonable police, That is not brutality. That

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Speaker 1: family are understandably outraged tonight. They are demanding answers. They

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Speaker 1: In this bodycam footage released by the four fourth Police Department,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Dean four or five ninety eight was the officer

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Speaker 1: state's case? What about it, Daryl Cohen? With this bodycam footage?

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Speaker 1: and what is first of all to you, shell Nut?

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Speaker 1: What is bodycam? Bodycam is called POV point of view,

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Speaker 1: and it shows that this police officer should never have

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Speaker 1: Being charged with murder is exactly the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: And here's a woman that was doing everything right and

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Speaker 1: she's no longer with us. Tell me the elements of murder,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, Well, it can happen immediately. They used to

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Speaker 1: directly at former cop Erindane Darryl Cohen. Absolutely, Nancy, and

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Speaker 1: she doesn't necessarily even need to have a license. This

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Speaker 1: is Texas, this is the United States. You have a

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Speaker 1: right to have a weapon in your own home. You

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Speaker 1: have a right to have a weapon so you can

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Speaker 1: defend yourself if necessary. And unless, as you point out,

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Speaker 1: there's some evidence on body cam, whether it's from the

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Speaker 1: body cam of the police officer who's now no longer

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Speaker 1: one or his partner, that she was waiving it, then

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Speaker 1: there is absolutely, in my view, no defense. There may

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Speaker 1: be begging, there may be some sort of a plea

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Speaker 1: deal worked out, but there's no defense for this officer's

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Speaker 1: former officers conduct. There just isn't. I can't find no

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Speaker 1: justification at all for doing what he did. It's cold

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00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: blood and burner time stories with Nancy Grace. We are

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Speaker 1: talking about a then Fort Worth police officer gunning down

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Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old woman in her own home.

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Speaker 1: Right now, obvious comparisons are being made to the death

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Speaker 1: of Botham John gunned down by cop Amber Geiger. Listen,

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Speaker 1: and the thing with this, you can't say she had

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Speaker 1: a gun in her hand. It don't matter she did,

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Speaker 1: because in all actuality, if the council doctrine could have stood,

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Speaker 1: she had the right to protect herself. For she's in

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Speaker 1: our own house. And if you are outside of my house,

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Speaker 1: walking outside of my window and there hears a gun

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Speaker 1: in my house, as a president has property in the

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Speaker 1: right of property on them, I have a right to

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Speaker 1: protect myself. So I want to find out how you

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Speaker 1: gonna twist this one, how you gonna turn this one

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Speaker 1: to try and make it seem as though it's justified

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Speaker 1: for you killing this lady in the house. And the

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Speaker 1: next thing I would like to say, the Chief Crouse,

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Speaker 1: Betsy Price, and all the city officials, we're not asking

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Speaker 1: for a suspension, and don't speaking. I'm saying as a

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Speaker 1: commite we're not asking for a suspension, we're asking for termination.

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00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: We're not gonna allow you to tell us he got

462
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Speaker 1: suspended for thirty days and we applaud to and say

463
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: job well done. This presson, whoever it is, male or female,

464
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Speaker 1: does not need to be on the streets. Because if

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Speaker 1: that was me and I killed somebody that was in

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Speaker 1: their own house, me noring from dinner with the system,

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Speaker 1: y'all gonna put me in prison and put me in

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Speaker 1: up for a long time. So we cannot allow this

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Speaker 1: woman to do this or this man to do this,

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Speaker 1: keep their job and then not labor them. Is what

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Speaker 1: they are, and that is a murderer. That's right right there.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing local pastor Rodney McIntosh speaking comparing this

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Speaker 1: to the Ambergeiger shooting of a man and his own

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Speaker 1: appearance in his own apartment Botham John. The comparisons are obvious.

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Speaker 1: In both cases, a police officer shoot someone from outside

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Speaker 1: their apartment into their apartment, killing them. In both cases,

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Speaker 1: the victim is unarmed. In both cases, the shooter is

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Speaker 1: a police officer. In both cases, the victim is just

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Speaker 1: going about their business. Jill Acson in their own home today,

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Speaker 1: Matt Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. What other comparisons

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Speaker 1: do you see, Nancy. It's kind of a stretch really

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Speaker 1: when you get down to it, because Amber Geiger had

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Speaker 1: just gotten off work and claimed she thought she was

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Speaker 1: in her apartment when she sees what she perceives as

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Speaker 1: an intruder. In this case, you've got officers going to

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Speaker 1: do a welfare check and a woman inside her own

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Speaker 1: home where the officers clearly know this is her home.

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Speaker 1: They don't know who's in there, but they're just there

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Speaker 1: to see why is the front door open at two

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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. The lights are on inside the house.

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Speaker 1: All they had to do was say, hey, police here

492
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Speaker 1: checking things out, what's going on? Anything would have prevented

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Speaker 1: this from happening, you know, Dave Matt in the photos

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Speaker 1: of the gun that was lawfully by a Tassiana Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: In the photos, where was the gun found? You know

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Speaker 1: it was it appeared to be through that window because

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Speaker 1: we only got that shot, the blurry shot from the

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Speaker 1: point of view camera from the police officer, and it

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Speaker 1: looked to be near a dresser, But when you're saying

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Speaker 1: it was near a dress or was anybody holding it, Yeah,

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00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: it was just sitting out and it wasn't take it,

502
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: didn't have the gun in her hand, Nancy. The full

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Speaker 1: raw footage has been released by police and you can

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00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: see it at crime online dot com. Now it has

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00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: been edited and stops after the shooting occurs, but it

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Speaker 1: does show glory images of a gun in Jefferson's home.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe in any way, Daryl Cohen, that the

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Speaker 1: gun can be used as a defense for the officer.

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Speaker 1: There is no way in my view that he had

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Speaker 1: ity right, not by any circumstance and idol of to

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Speaker 1: fire without even identifying himself as a police officer, without

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Speaker 1: even giving her an opportunity to show him her hands. Unbelievable, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the body cam footage right now, and

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Speaker 1: you can. Until the officer is approaching from the back area.

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Speaker 1: The lights are on in the home. He looks like

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Speaker 1: he's looking in a fully transparent screen door like the

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Speaker 1: doors made completely a glass. He's walking past a white vehicle.

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Speaker 1: He's now walking around the home. Now is getting dark.

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00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: It's dark. It was very well lit by the door.

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00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: I was describing where the car is parked. Now he

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00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: is using a flashlight and he is looking around. He's

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Speaker 1: looking at the doors, he's looking at the walls. He's

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Speaker 1: shining his flashlight all around the curtilage or the outside

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Speaker 1: of the home. It looks like maybe a car poort

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: or maybe a toolshed of some sort. It's an opaque

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Speaker 1: gate made of wood. Can't see through it. He opens it.

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Speaker 1: He's now going into what looks to be the backyard.

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Speaker 1: He's gone through a gate. He's looking all around the home.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's the front door that's open. Now he is

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Speaker 1: looking at a paned glass and now I'm seeing the gun.

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Speaker 1: The gun is lying on either the floor. It's inside

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Speaker 1: a bedroom and it looks like it's lying on the floor,

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Speaker 1: just lying there. To doctor Catherine Maloney joining me out

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Speaker 1: of Nickel City Forensics, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner at Erie

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Speaker 1: County Medical, what could the trajectory path of the bullet

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Speaker 1: show us? Doctor Maloney, Well, that will give us information

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Speaker 1: about how she was facing relative to him when he

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00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: fired the gun. So if she was facing him, or

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00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: if she had her back turned to him or her side,

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00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: so we can get a sense of what she may

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Speaker 1: have perceived. If anything, I'm curious about this gun. To you,

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Speaker 1: James Shelnot, You've been in this position four being a

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00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Metro major case detective and a SWAT officer before he

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00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: became a lawyer. You've gone into active crime scenes, active

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Speaker 1: crime scenes where perps had weapons. In this case, what

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Speaker 1: do you make of the fact that the gun apparently

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00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: was lying down on the floor. Well, you know, when

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00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that she wasn't holding the gun.

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Speaker 1: There's no indication that she was, But I can't tell

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Speaker 1: from the video that she wasn't. You know, I've watched

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Speaker 1: that video last night. Now I'm not so sure of that. Maybe,

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00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, an enhanced version will come out, But you know,

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Speaker 1: if the gun was in close proximity to where she

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: was at most people don't keep their guns stored lying

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Speaker 1: in the floor, and it did appear to me that

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Speaker 1: the gun was in a flour and out a dresser.

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00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that as the information comes out,

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00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: but if it was lying in the floor close to

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00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: where her body fell, that may be an indicator that

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: she was holding the gun. Granted, I don't think that

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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: this shooting was justified. I think the same result that

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: happened in ampler Geiger's case with a conviction, very very

563
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Speaker 1: well happened in this case with a conviction it was wrong. Well,

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Speaker 1: I gotta chance something, James. I was surprised too, But

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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at it, it it looks like it's on

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Speaker 1: the floor. If it's on the floor, did she drop it? Now?

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00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: On that body cam video? Can you make out her image?

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00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: James shell Nutt. You know, it looked like a shadow

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Speaker 1: to me, And that goes back to what we were

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00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: talking about a minut ago, Nancy. With it being POV

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Speaker 1: point of view is great and the cameras have really

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Speaker 1: helped identify what an officer sees or goes through and

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Speaker 1: justification not justification, But they don't see the same thing

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Speaker 1: as a human eye, if they don't focus the same

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Speaker 1: way as a human eye. And to me, it's just

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00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: hard to tell exactly what this poor lady was doing

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Speaker 1: in this video before she was shot. Dave Matt what's

578
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: it all about, Nancy? The reality of the gun is this.

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Speaker 1: When the story first broke, there were two very blurry

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Speaker 1: photos that were released to the press that appeared to

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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: show a gun inside the home. Now, most of us

582
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: were immediately stunned by this, saying, what does that matter?

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00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: You know a gun inside her home. Well, now we

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00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: know an affidavit was unsealed earlier, and a detective a

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00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Rimshots is now shedding a little bit of light on

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Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the shooting death of twenty eight year

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Speaker 1: old Tatiana Jefferson. Now, she was babysitting her eight year

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Speaker 1: old nephew and his child. His name's not being released because,

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: after all, he's eight years old. But according to the

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Speaker 1: documents that were released, he told a forensic investigator that

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00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: they were playing call of duty about two o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the morning when a Tatiana heard a commotion outside her home.

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Speaker 1: The eight year old said that she retrieved a handgun,

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Speaker 1: which she legally owned, from her purse. She then raised

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Speaker 1: the gun, pointing it toward the window, and that's when

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Speaker 1: she was shot dead through the window by officer Aaron Dean.

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00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at WFAA. Fort Worth.

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Speaker 1: Officials released this image of a gun inside the home

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00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: where Tatiana Jefferson lived, but they didn't explain how it

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Speaker 1: was relevant. Now, many of you wondered was Tatiana holding

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: this gun when she was shot or earlier today. We

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: got our hands on the arrest warrant that you see here,

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Speaker 1: and on page three, it says Jefferson's eight year old

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Speaker 1: nephew told police quote, she heard noises coming from outside,

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Speaker 1: so she took her handgun from her purse, raised her

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Speaker 1: handgun and pointed it toward the window. The arrest warrant

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00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: says in different places that fourth police officer, Aaron Dean,

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Speaker 1: didn't announce he was a police officer as he walked

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Speaker 1: around the house, and we still don't know if he

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00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: saw the gun before he fired. Now, Jefferson's family says

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Speaker 1: she lawfully owned the gun, and here in Texas, the

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Speaker 1: law says that means she can use force, some kisses

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Speaker 1: deadly force to protect her property. The Fort Worth interim

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00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: police chief agreed, we're homeowners in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine most of us if we thought we

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Speaker 1: had somebody outside our house they shouldn't be and we

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00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: had access to firearm, that we wouldn't act very similarly

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00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: to how she acted, as it stays right now. The

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Speaker 1: Fort Worth police officer, former officer who fatally shot a Tassiana.

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Speaker 1: Jefferson is now charged with murderer. Listen concerning the status

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Speaker 1: of the criminal investigation. Approximately six pm yesterday, Aarondane was

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Speaker 1: arrested for the murder of miss Jefferson. We obtainted a

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Speaker 1: rest wing after no evidence and facts were analyzed and verified.

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Speaker 1: A team of officers quickly. In fact, it has arrested

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Speaker 1: the office of his attorney. He is booked into the

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Speaker 1: Tarrent County Jail, where his bond was set by the

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Speaker 1: presiding magistrate. He has since posted bond. We're continuing to

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Speaker 1: work closely with the Arrent County Criminal District Attorney's office

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Speaker 1: to ensure this entire investigation is prosecuted in a thorough,

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Speaker 1: meticulous and solid manner. There was the unreleased into the

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Speaker 1: gun release. Do we know anything about the gun or

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Speaker 1: the officer would felt granted by the gun? Gun? The

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00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: long to mister Jefferson. I cannot tell you what he felt.

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00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: He did not give a statement to our investigators. Um

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00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: the gun was found just inside of the room. But

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Speaker 1: it makes sense that she would have a gun and

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00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: she felt that she was being a rightener. There was

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Speaker 1: someone in the backyard. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime's story, signing off goodbye friend,