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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact.
Speaker 5: I am Captain Ron, and today I have the very
Speaker 5: distinct pleasure of speaking with Anthony Peak. Anthony's a British
Speaker 5: author and researcher known for his work at the intersection
Speaker 5: of science, consciousness, and philosophy. His work often explores the
Speaker 5: nature of reality, the mind, and the mysteries of the
Speaker 5: human experience. Peak's interests span various fields, including neuroscience, psychology,
Speaker 5: quantum physics, and he is especially focused on topics related
Speaker 5: to altered states of consciousness, near death experiences, and the
Speaker 5: role of time in human perception. He also has some
Speaker 5: incredible thoughts on where the various entities that people experience
Speaker 5: may be coming from.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that here today.
Speaker 5: We're very lucky to have him coming back to Contact
Speaker 5: in the Desert this year, which is going to be fantastic. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: I'm very glad to have them here with us today.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Anthony. Good to see you, Iron.
Speaker 6: It is really great to chat to you again. We
Speaker 6: had some wonderful conversations over the last two years over
Speaker 6: there in California, and I'm so looking forward to coming back.
Speaker 6: I'm absolutely delighted Anthony.
Speaker 5: Listen, we've been discussing these different ideas on the show
Speaker 5: over the year, and we have these different ideas of
Speaker 5: the beings that people claim to have encountered and what
Speaker 5: they could be. There are different names throughout history of
Speaker 5: different beings that people experience, you know, ghosts and spirits,
Speaker 5: the gin and of course aliens, and it's evolved and
Speaker 5: and everything from this is a technological race living on
Speaker 5: another planet, traveling here, beings that travel interdimensionally, beings that
Speaker 5: are extra tempestrials, crypto tempestrials, or even time travelers who.
Speaker 4: May be us from the future.
Speaker 5: There's all these different possibilities, and just when we think
Speaker 5: there cannot possibly be yet another option, you come along
Speaker 5: with something that I never would have even thought of.
Speaker 5: And there's this egregorial hypothesis that flips everything upside Now,
Speaker 5: can you please explain that to us from your mortals?
Speaker 4: Right? Okay?
Speaker 6: The term aggregore, as many people probably listening in here
Speaker 6: will be aware of, is a reference to the Book
Speaker 6: of Enoch in the Bible, and it's from the Greek eggregorial,
Speaker 6: which means watcher. And I've been long intrigued by this
Speaker 6: concept of this idea that we are watched over in
Speaker 6: some way. And I became more and more intrigued as
Speaker 6: time went on, because the more I developed my writing,
Speaker 6: the more I became intrigued by not just encounters with aliens,
Speaker 6: but encounters with the other in other words, non human intelligences.
Speaker 6: And I started to discover that there's massive links here,
Speaker 6: and it's consistent over time and over geography and.
Speaker 4: Anthropologically as well.
Speaker 6: So, for example, my mother had an extraordinary experience a
Speaker 6: few year years ago where she saw a UFO, and
Speaker 6: then a few days later she woke up in the
Speaker 6: middle of the night in a state of what is
Speaker 6: known as sleep paralysis, which we'll put touch on a
Speaker 6: little bit later on. And she claimed, because she'd lived
Speaker 6: on her own my father had died many years before,
Speaker 6: she woke up in the middle of the night, and
Speaker 6: she said she saw her door, a bedroom door was open,
Speaker 6: and then she looked at the bedroom door and she
Speaker 6: saw and she actually I quote her on this, she said,
Speaker 6: I saw three spindly fingers come around the edge of
Speaker 6: the door, and this little creature with huge black eyes,
Speaker 6: two holes for a nose and a slip for a mouth,
Speaker 6: looked at me, blinked and dodged back, and she said,
Speaker 6: what tony was I seeing? Now, my mother wouldn't know
Speaker 6: a gray if it bitter on the bottom. It's just
Speaker 6: something that didn't interest her. But here she was giving
Speaker 6: a precise description of a being that we know from
Speaker 6: the Whitley Screeber experiences. But we also know that these
Speaker 6: images of these beings have been around for millennia. For example,
Speaker 6: in my book The Hidden Universe, I have an example
Speaker 6: of round about five or six years ago, or five
Speaker 6: or six years ago before I wrote the book, they
Speaker 6: discovered a cave in India and people had not been
Speaker 6: in that cave for three or four thousand years, and
Speaker 6: inside were pictures of beings that look like aliens. Now, again,
Speaker 6: we know from the work of Graham Hancock, you know
Speaker 6: his work where he did some work in something called
Speaker 6: the Junction Shelter in the Drakensburg Mountains in South Africa.
Speaker 6: You look there, there is somebody. There is a being
Speaker 6: in these pictures, are standing on a bridge that looks
Speaker 6: like an alien. We know in closh Merle, which is
Speaker 6: another series of caves, we have these entities. They're not unique,
Speaker 6: they are universal. Now for me, the question is what
Speaker 6: are they and are they a part of a deeper
Speaker 6: phenomenon and do they have a deep relationship with us
Speaker 6: in some way? And I argue that effectively we co
Speaker 6: create them. And I call them the Aggregorials because an
Speaker 6: egg grigore is also a term used in mystic mysticism
Speaker 6: to create an entity. You create an eggregor by thinking
Speaker 6: about it. Now, There's been various examples of this throughout
Speaker 6: history where people claim that they have been able to
Speaker 6: manifest entities, manifest angels for want of a better term,
Speaker 6: and these angels can be manipulated, or we believe they
Speaker 6: can be manipulated to help us. For instance, for John
Speaker 6: d the famous alchemist of Elizabethan Times in the UK,
Speaker 6: he said that he'd created an eggregor and a number
Speaker 6: of eggregors. But I've dug into this and I've found
Speaker 6: that eggregors are created all the time. I'll give an
Speaker 6: example of this that was a fascinating series of experiments
Speaker 6: done in nineteen the early nineteen seventies in Toronto were
Speaker 6: a group of researchers created an entity called Robert Aylsford
Speaker 6: and they created him. They created a completely fictional backstory
Speaker 6: about him that was with fictional, they'd made it up.
Speaker 6: But he started manifesting in a Wija board and then
Speaker 6: they started manifesting physically. For instance, there were table turning
Speaker 6: was happening and everything else as well. So it seems
Speaker 6: that these entities, yes, and it levitated. The table levitated.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: In fact, if anybody wants to check this out, you
Speaker 6: can see the table levitating because the group of individuals
Speaker 6: they were on Canadian television, and when they were on
Speaker 6: Canadian television, it was recorded and you see the table moving,
Speaker 6: so there's some kind of physical force taking place here,
Speaker 6: but they'd created it. And we know that there's a
Speaker 6: lady called Alexander Neil who was in the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 6: was a Belgian explorer and she traveled in Tibet and
Speaker 6: they created her, and a group of associates created what
Speaker 6: they called a tolpa, which was a mindful and this toulper.
Speaker 6: Initially they created it collectively together and it manifested as
Speaker 6: a creature. She described it as being a very friendly
Speaker 6: retund monk, but it started then becoming independent of them
Speaker 6: and malevolent. And it's as if the creatures seemed to
Speaker 6: anticipate what we want to see. And is this why
Speaker 6: it explains the cultural parallels that we have over time?
Speaker 6: Were the aliens that people encounters seemed to go from
Speaker 6: being sort of standard Hollywood aliens to Nordics, And of
Speaker 6: course we know in the eighteen nineties when there was
Speaker 6: the airship flaps, they were Germans or they were Europeans,
Speaker 6: but they then change from being Europeans to being Nordics.
Speaker 6: Then from Nordics that you then get the grays. But
Speaker 6: we know that the grays have exist is historically, so
Speaker 6: they are these some form of shape shifters. Now I
Speaker 6: believe that they manifest in the liminal states of consciousness,
Speaker 6: these hypnogogic or hypnopompic states, when you're between sleeping and awake,
Speaker 6: and that's when they seem to be able.
Speaker 4: To come through.
Speaker 6: And that was what happened with my mother. You know,
Speaker 6: she was in a hypnopompic state. Hypnopompia is when you're
Speaker 6: waking up and what happens is that you seem to
Speaker 6: be able to tune into a greater reality. It's as
Speaker 6: if the brain is unable to act as an attenuator,
Speaker 6: it's unable to go out the wider information field when
Speaker 6: we're in these liminal states. And again this is backed
Speaker 6: up by recent eurological research that's been done at the
Speaker 6: University of Sussex just down the road from here where
Speaker 6: I'm located, where they took a group of volunteers who
Speaker 6: volunteered to take psilocybin, which is magic mushrooms, and when
Speaker 6: they took psilocybin, they had them under brain scanners, because
Speaker 6: they assumed that what would happen is that the psilocybin
Speaker 6: would make areas of the brain communicate more, which would
Speaker 6: bring about the hallucinations in raised commas. Much to their astonishment,
Speaker 6: they discovered the opposite. They discovered that it actually breaks
Speaker 6: down the brain. The brain breaks down, the areas of
Speaker 6: the brain can't communicate anymore. And I think this is
Speaker 6: how we open the doors of perception. We stop the
Speaker 6: brain being an attenuator, which is the argument that Aldus
Speaker 6: Huxley used in his book nineteen fifty four book The
Speaker 6: Doors of Perception. Also CD Broad and also the great
Speaker 6: Henri Bergson in the eighteen nineties. These were all arguments
Speaker 6: to say, the brain functions to take information out, and
Speaker 6: hallucinogenics like DMT and various other loose natory substances or
Speaker 6: entheogens are the things that open up these doors. And
Speaker 6: of course the research recent research in the UK, the
Speaker 6: Imperial College for instance, with the associates of mine who
Speaker 6: are doing this work. It's extraordinary. You know, Andrew Gallimore,
Speaker 6: one of the guys that talked at Contact in the
Speaker 6: Desert two years ago, is one of the guys that's
Speaker 6: central to all this.
Speaker 4: Agreed, it's incredible.
Speaker 5: Do you think that this is what people that say
Speaker 5: they have an alien encounter really are experiencing?
Speaker 4: Perhaps I do.
Speaker 6: I do you know? Because in my new book, I've
Speaker 6: just my new book has come out in the United
Speaker 6: States and it will be out a few months time
Speaker 6: in the UK. There's a problem with the distribution, and
Speaker 6: it's on neo death experiences. But I have a whole
Speaker 6: section on neo death experiences that seem to suggest something
Speaker 6: more curious is going on. A lady called Dorothy Ayers Counts,
Speaker 6: who was an Australian anthropologist who was working in New Britain,
Speaker 6: which is an island off New Guinea, and she was
Speaker 6: working with tribespeople there and she was pritically interested in
Speaker 6: their neo death experience and what she discovered was extraordinary.
Speaker 6: I have got evidence that one of them it was
Speaker 6: a UFI encounter.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It's incredible how these things seem to tie together with
Speaker 5: these different phenomenon. When we come back, we're going to
Speaker 5: talk more with Anthony about this and what these beings
Speaker 5: could be. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 5: are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking
Speaker 5: to Anthony Peak. Hey, Anthony, what do you think these
Speaker 5: manifestations are? Are they entities that are real and they
Speaker 5: do exist, but we don't normally see them until our
Speaker 5: consciousness tries to and then they appear in reality, just
Speaker 5: like the observer effect in quantum mechanics. Or are they
Speaker 5: just creations of the mind or are they just were
Speaker 5: gaining access to see them?
Speaker 4: What do you think is happening?
Speaker 6: I think what we need to do is to go
Speaker 6: deeper into this. They turn around and they will say, oh,
Speaker 6: that's an illucination. These are hallucinations. But the question is
Speaker 6: that nobody knows exactly what hallucinations are. And in fact,
Speaker 6: I use the counter argument that say that waking life
Speaker 6: is an hallucination in exactly the same way, in that
Speaker 6: the brain internally creates a facsimile model of external reality
Speaker 6: that we think is consensual reality, that real reality, because
Speaker 6: we know that reality is not what it seems. As
Speaker 6: you quite rightly point out there, the double slit experiment
Speaker 6: and various other areas of quantum mechanics very much precisely
Speaker 6: tell us that reality that is the solidity of subatomic
Speaker 6: particles such as electrons and photons. They come into existence
Speaker 6: that the act of observation or the act of measurement.
Speaker 6: Before they are observed and measured, they are called what
Speaker 6: is called a wave function, and the wave function is
Speaker 6: a statistic it's a mathematical statistical wave that a particle
Speaker 6: will be found in one location or another. Now, this
Speaker 6: seems to be that there's a direct feedback mechanism going
Speaker 6: on between the observer and the observed. There's a symbiotic
Speaker 6: relations They are co creating each other. So therefore, when
Speaker 6: we say that something is an hallucination, we've got to
Speaker 6: be very careful in our wording here, because if something
Speaker 6: is perceived by somebody, and hallucinations are very much perceived
Speaker 6: out there, they're projected outwards by the brain. Now, if
Speaker 6: they were just standard brain creations, why are they so strange?
Speaker 6: Why would an hallucination be an alien gray Why wouldn't
Speaker 6: it be a friend or somebody much more normal?
Speaker 4: And why do other people have the exact same vision? Correct?
Speaker 6: And this is the argument I argue, is that I
Speaker 6: consider reality also to be aggregorial. That effectively, when we
Speaker 6: as joint observers are observing external reality, we are both
Speaker 6: overlapping co creating that reality, in which case when something
Speaker 6: is seen in three dimensions outside of two consciousnesses and
Speaker 6: many more. In fact, I always love this argument. They
Speaker 6: have an explanation for these. If two people see it,
Speaker 6: it's called a foliodu, and if a large group of people,
Speaker 6: it's a collective hallucination. Nobody knows how this can work,
Speaker 6: and nobody knows how people see the same thing and
Speaker 6: how they can report back the same information unless telepathy.
Speaker 6: And in many ways, this is why I find it
Speaker 6: extraordinarily amusing, is that some scientists will argue the telepathy arguments.
Speaker 6: They don't like telepathy, but they're going to explain something
Speaker 6: they like even less by using something they don't like
Speaker 6: in the first place.
Speaker 5: It seems to me like you're using the idea of
Speaker 5: the observer effect, which says that consciousness creates reality, that
Speaker 5: that's sort of a staple of quantum mechanics, and you're
Speaker 5: just kind of expanding on it that that creates more
Speaker 5: of reality. It sounds to me almost like it's giving
Speaker 5: credence to the simulation theories where this part is being
Speaker 5: rendered as we see it.
Speaker 6: Then, in my previous book, The Hidden Universe, I go
Speaker 6: into great detail about the simulation argument and the idea
Speaker 6: that the universe itself is holographic in nature and its
Speaker 6: basic format is mathematical. And again this is not me
Speaker 6: saying this. This is something the holographic principle has been
Speaker 6: round for at least three maybe four decades, and now
Speaker 6: they've been doing the science of exactly how it works.
Speaker 6: It's to do with black holes. It's to do with
Speaker 6: the loss of data. If you throw a phone, theoretically
Speaker 6: throw a phone into a black hole, that information is lost.
Speaker 6: But information can never be lost, so they argue that
Speaker 6: the information is smeared along the edge of the black hole,
Speaker 6: which means that it can be recorded and brought back again.
Speaker 6: The reality that we think is solid is ninety nine
Speaker 6: point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine
Speaker 6: nine nine six empty space. In terms of the hydrogen atom,
Speaker 6: for example, that's a huge amount of empty space. And
Speaker 6: the things that are solid supposedly within there are point
Speaker 6: part of the electron is a point particle. However much
Speaker 6: you try to look into an electron, you will only
Speaker 6: ever get a point particle, and a point has no
Speaker 6: extension in space. It's the same with photons that allow
Speaker 6: us to see Photons, the very things that are creating
Speaker 6: the light that's surrounding you by which you interpret external reality,
Speaker 6: are in fact so weird. It's untrue. Under certain circumstances,
Speaker 6: they are point particles. Under other circumstances, they are waves.
Speaker 6: And depending upon whether they are observed or not, is
Speaker 6: whether they are a particle or a wave. It is
Speaker 6: as if the particles know they're being observed. Now in
Speaker 6: the twin slit experiment, they turn from a wave to
Speaker 6: a particle because they know they're being observed. This then
Speaker 6: gets weirder because photons or point particles, they have no
Speaker 6: extension in space. But on top of that, they can
Speaker 6: only travel at the speed of light, which means from
Speaker 6: the point of view of a photon, there is no time.
Speaker 6: Because we know from Einstein that the fact as you
Speaker 6: go and the closer you get to the speed of light,
Speaker 6: time and space change. Space becomes time and time becomes space.
Speaker 6: You know, when people talk about space time, they don't
Speaker 6: really grasp what it's saying. Space and time are the
Speaker 6: same thing. So when you travel at the speed of light,
Speaker 6: time stops, so from the point of view of a
Speaker 6: photon who's leaving say Alpha century, what you know, sort
Speaker 6: of six six seven light years ago. For that photon,
Speaker 6: it's instantaneous between it leaving the surface of the star
Speaker 6: to reaching your eye. But you extrapolate from that, it's
Speaker 6: the same for those particles if they're leaving a quasar
Speaker 6: that hasn't existed for billions of years, that light ray
Speaker 6: still and that photon it's still instantaneous. Now, somebody called
Speaker 6: John Wheeler came over this wonderful thought experiment, whereby he said,
Speaker 6: by using a theoretical twin slit experiment, using the light
Speaker 6: coming from a quasar, you can prove that not only
Speaker 6: does the act of observation create the universes it is now,
Speaker 6: it creates it as it was billions of years ago,
Speaker 6: because of course time and space are the same thing.
Speaker 6: So suddenly the idea that there is an out there
Speaker 6: and an in here is much more complex. So is
Speaker 6: this worthy? Eggrigors exist. They come in because they anticipate
Speaker 6: our thoughts, and I argue they manifest using probably plasma,
Speaker 6: to manifest themselves into to draw themselves into this reality.
Speaker 6: The late and very great and sadly died last year.
Speaker 6: A guy called Paulino, who was a researcher in Rhode
Speaker 6: Island in your great country. He came to the conclusion
Speaker 6: because he'd seen entities manifesting around electricity substations. And the
Speaker 6: final point I'd like to make here in terms of
Speaker 6: the egrigorial as plasma, is the role of the gin.
Speaker 6: You know that in Islamic tradition, when God made man,
Speaker 6: God also made the angels, and he made the gin.
Speaker 6: He made man out of mud, He made the angels
Speaker 6: out of I think it was light, and he made
Speaker 6: the gin out of something that is described as smokeless fire.
Speaker 6: Smokeless fire is plasma. The sun is plasma, and of
Speaker 6: course it's pure light, pure electromagnetic energy of a particular kind.
Speaker 6: So suddenly these beings are manifesting within the electromagnetic spectrum,
Speaker 6: and they dip within and out, and they can choose
Speaker 6: how they look, and if they are coming from a
Speaker 6: place outside of space and time Philip K. Dick would
Speaker 6: called orthogonal time, which runs at a right angle to
Speaker 6: this time, these beings are time travelers. And I know
Speaker 6: there's the argument putting forward now that the people in
Speaker 6: the UFOs are time travelers. But this would also explain
Speaker 6: the extraordinary way in which like the tic TACs move.
Speaker 6: It's because they are not what we think they are.
Speaker 6: They're not physical objects as such. They're moving in a
Speaker 6: completely different way because they're not made of matter in
Speaker 6: the way we understand matter, being the warping space around them,
Speaker 6: and the warping space to turn it into time so
Speaker 6: they can semp flick time and space into each other.
Speaker 6: There was a fascinating series of experiments done in the
Speaker 6: eighteen nineties by the Society for Psychical Research in the
Speaker 6: UK and it was called Imperior and Rector, and what
Speaker 6: it was was a group of people who were in
Speaker 6: communication with entities through mediums, and the entities were communicating
Speaker 6: with them and saying we need to communicate with you.
Speaker 6: Develop devices that helps us communicate. Roll forward many years
Speaker 6: we have the EVP phenomena, the electro electronic voice phenomenon,
Speaker 6: and again we have the same phenomenon where the entities
Speaker 6: are communicating using electromagnetic energy to communicate directly with us.
Speaker 6: In the nineteen nineties, there was a series of fascinating
Speaker 6: experiments took place in Skull in Norfolk here in the UK,
Speaker 6: where a group of researchers were communicating again with aliens
Speaker 6: that they claim were from the other side. One of
Speaker 6: the most famous images of this is a being they
Speaker 6: called Blue, and it appeared on a television screen. You
Speaker 6: look at Blue. It's a great it's.
Speaker 5: Seeing that picture, Anthony, and it does look much, very
Speaker 5: very alien to all of us.
Speaker 4: It would look like what we would call an alien.
Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk to Anthony
Speaker 5: more about how people want to have these experiences and
Speaker 5: if they are actually causing them to become reality. You're
Speaker 5: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
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Speaker 5: We're talking with Anthony Peak. Anthony, is that what makes
Speaker 5: these things appear? Is it because a group of people
Speaker 5: want to have these experiences that they actually make it
Speaker 5: a reality similar to the observer effect? Is it the
Speaker 5: same sort of thing.
Speaker 6: Well, this is what happened with the Philip experiment in
Speaker 6: the early nineteen seventies in Toronto. You know, they tried
Speaker 6: to create a fictional character that became real again with
Speaker 6: Alexander Neil when she created the Tulpa. But if we
Speaker 6: get together. It seems that when minds come together, they
Speaker 6: can be much more powerful. It seems to be the
Speaker 6: Eggregorial becomes almost the third man. It's something that's greater
Speaker 6: than us. It's as if it's a melding of consciousness.
Speaker 6: It's almost like the mind melding of Star Trek. And
Speaker 6: the idea is that if we collectively anticipate things, they
Speaker 6: will happen. Now Again, in one of my books, I argue,
Speaker 6: for instance, the weird things that happened in Fatima in
Speaker 6: it was It nineteen seventeen in Portugal, you know where
Speaker 6: a group of three children thought they saw the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 6: But if you look into it, the Virgin Murray itself
Speaker 6: never actually said she was the Virgin Mary. She may
Speaker 6: have said I think she was the Immaculate Conception, but
Speaker 6: she never actually referenced who she actually was. And again
Speaker 6: she manifests as a lot of these entities do in
Speaker 6: caves Fatima, and if you look at Bernadette Subaru and
Speaker 6: her experiences, these entities seem to need darkness in some way,
Speaker 6: and I argue they need darkness for a specific purpose.
Speaker 6: There are a group of individual people who are trained
Speaker 6: in shamanism down in the mountains of Columbia in Latin
Speaker 6: America call the Mammas. They take young children, very young children,
Speaker 6: and they place them in a cave for the whole
Speaker 6: of their childhood. They don't see natural light because by
Speaker 6: doing so, they allow those individuals to shamanic travel, to
Speaker 6: encounter entities, to actually communicate with the gods, which they
Speaker 6: call it. But I argue why they're doing this is
Speaker 6: neurological because they're putting them in darkness for a specific reason.
Speaker 6: They want the pineal gland to activate endogenous that is
Speaker 6: inwardly generated dimethyl trip to me. The pineal gland in
Speaker 6: the brain exists to create melatonin, and melatonin is the
Speaker 6: substance that makes you go to sleep, so you create
Speaker 6: more melatonin when it goes dark. That's why they need
Speaker 6: to be in darkness. But also what happens is you're
Speaker 6: they're creating so much melatonin it can be synthesized into
Speaker 6: endogen or what one of my associates, Beach Barrett, calls metatonin,
Speaker 6: which is inwardly generated dimethyl trip to me. Rick Strassman,
Speaker 6: the guy that did the research in the nineteen nineties
Speaker 6: at the University of New Mexico called dnt are reality modulator.
Speaker 6: In recent research has discovered two important things. But the
Speaker 6: most important one and I might touch on the other
Speaker 6: one later because it relates to neo death experiences. But
Speaker 6: they've discovered something a lady called Gmo Borgijin at the
Speaker 6: University of Michigan. They were euthanizing rats to test things
Speaker 6: in the brain. It's very immoral what they were doing that. Nevertheless,
Speaker 6: they found within the pinineal gland of live rats dimethyl
Speaker 6: trip to me. This would explain one of the great
Speaker 6: mysteries of neurology.
Speaker 4: Within the brain.
Speaker 6: There are things called the trace amine associated receptor sites,
Speaker 6: which are receptor sites in neurons. In certain neurons, like
Speaker 6: a receptor site is like a lock to a key,
Speaker 6: so they will react with certain neurotransmitters like some will
Speaker 6: react with serotonin, dopamine, you know, sort of glutamate, the
Speaker 6: these neurotransmitters. But the trace amine associated receptors didn't seem
Speaker 6: to mix with any of the other neurotransmitters until they
Speaker 6: realized they were designed to work with dimethyl trip to me.
Speaker 6: So clearly there are these neurological sites, which suggests that
Speaker 6: dimethyl trip to mean is a neurotransmitter. We have evolved
Speaker 6: to have this in our brain. Now, if this is
Speaker 6: the case when people take dimethyl trip to mean under
Speaker 6: experimental conditions, or they drink ayahuasca, what do they encounter? Entities?
Speaker 6: It's the first thing that comes through is entities. This
Speaker 6: is of such significance. Now I have a friend of
Speaker 6: mine who is one of the people who is a
Speaker 6: volunteer who's taking under control conditions DMT intravenience is being
Speaker 6: injected into his blood system. And what they're doing is
Speaker 6: they're having people at Imperial College take this in London
Speaker 6: under control conditions. Legally, they go into an altered state
Speaker 6: and they come back and they report what they're seeing.
Speaker 6: All of them report entities.
Speaker 4: But because that's always a part.
Speaker 6: Now this is the billion dollar thing. Doctor Carl Smith,
Speaker 6: Carl Hayden Smith told me that when he took it,
Speaker 6: he went into this place called the DMT Cage, and
Speaker 6: it's this location and it's like you're floating in space.
Speaker 6: And people when they take DMT, when they go to
Speaker 6: this place, it's more real than this. When they come
Speaker 6: back here, they realize this is the simulation they're outside
Speaker 6: the sun when they go there, and particularly when people
Speaker 6: take something called five meo DMT, which is a more
Speaker 6: powerful version, and in then they say they become God.
Speaker 6: So inclosed, and I have an idea of what is
Speaker 6: taking place why you have this feeling of oneness when
Speaker 6: you take five meo. But going back to DMT and Carl,
Speaker 6: he finds himself in the DMT cage, and again I
Speaker 6: discussed this in two of my books. An entity comes
Speaker 6: over to him, an insect identity like a mantis, comes over,
Speaker 6: goes through the cage and taps him and says, you
Speaker 6: shouldn't be doing it this way. Do not do it
Speaker 6: this way, and recedes back. He then finds himself coming
Speaker 6: down from the DMT trip. He comes to and thinks
Speaker 6: that was weird. Two weeks later, he takes the DMT again.
Speaker 6: He's in the same place. The same creature comes over
Speaker 6: and says, I told you this last time. You shouldn't
Speaker 6: be doing it this way now, as Carl has said
Speaker 6: to me a the creature was consistent. It was the
Speaker 6: same creature, and it remembered him waiting for him to
Speaker 6: come back.
Speaker 5: Wait a whold on people would really think that, well,
Speaker 5: that's just his memory of having that experience, so he
Speaker 5: would imagine the same being.
Speaker 6: But the circumstance here is it was telling him things
Speaker 6: that he didn't want to hear. I mean, he was
Speaker 6: somebody that really wanted to take the DMPT to actually
Speaker 6: encounter these entities. And as he said to me, saying
Speaker 6: the opposite of what my intentions were. So if it
Speaker 6: was my subconscious, my subconject was really playing with me.
Speaker 6: And this is one of my central arguments here that
Speaker 6: if dreams and dream sequences and entity encounters are subconsciously created,
Speaker 6: our subconscious is incredible because it can create this three
Speaker 6: dimension illusory reality that seems to be independent of us.
Speaker 6: But I just can go back to the Dorothy Counts
Speaker 6: with the Callai people in New Britain. One of the
Speaker 6: guys there had a near death experience, and I'll just
Speaker 6: describe what he said. In this near death experience, he
Speaker 6: met a dead woman who he didn't know was dead
Speaker 6: at the time. She died while he was having his experience,
Speaker 6: and he didn't know she died, so this was evidence
Speaker 6: that he had information in this other world that he
Speaker 6: didn't know about. But he says, but I saw the
Speaker 6: dead woman that I'd met on the road. I saw
Speaker 6: her leave me. I wanted to call out, hey, come back,
Speaker 6: but I couldn't, for this house turned in a circle.
Speaker 6: He found himself in a house, and he said, but
Speaker 6: it started turkey, turning in a circle. I couldn't see
Speaker 6: the man who talked to me, but I did see
Speaker 6: children lying on platforms over the doors and windows. As
Speaker 6: I was walking around trying to see everything. They took
Speaker 6: hold of me and took me back down the steps.
Speaker 6: I wanted to go back to the house, but I
Speaker 6: couldn't because it turned and I realized it was not
Speaker 6: on posts. It was just hanging there in the air,
Speaker 6: turning round as if it was on an axle. If
Speaker 6: I wanted to go to the door, the house would turn.
Speaker 6: There would be another part of the house where I
Speaker 6: was standing. He's describing a ufo. He's describing literally a ufo,
Speaker 6: and he's guided by two entities while he's there, and
Speaker 6: it's like shamanic traveling. They do experiments on his body.
Speaker 5: Which is also like UFO experiences. People often say they
Speaker 5: were experimented on.
Speaker 6: I know and get this. He then says, I came back,
Speaker 6: but there was no road for me to follow so
Speaker 6: the voice said, let him go down. Then there was
Speaker 6: a beam of light and I walked along it. I
Speaker 6: walked down the steps and when I turned to look,
Speaker 6: there was nothing but forest beam of light. Travis Walton.
Speaker 4: That's more than Travis. There's many, many, many UFO cases.
Speaker 6: The beam of light drawing them up into it. So
Speaker 6: here we have somebody who's living in a really isolated
Speaker 6: community on an isolated island off New Guinea describing precisely
Speaker 6: an experience of a UFO encounter. There was a very
Speaker 6: famous UFO encounter in June of nineteen fifty nine involving
Speaker 6: a guy called Father William gill Gil and thirty nine
Speaker 6: others witnessed a UFO in New Guinea and they saw
Speaker 6: this object come over and there were people on the
Speaker 6: object and they waved at them. And the description of
Speaker 6: that object is almost exactly the same as the description
Speaker 6: of the object given by the guide to Dorothy Counts.
Speaker 6: Now that has always gone down as a near death experience.
Speaker 6: But work done by Kenneth Ring and his associate, I
Speaker 6: think it's Christopher Rosing, and they did some work and
Speaker 6: they came up with they called an encounter prone personality.
Speaker 6: Their brain works differently because these people will encounter entities,
Speaker 6: They will have near death experiences, out of body experiences.
Speaker 5: Often times we hear that anthony where people have one
Speaker 5: of these experiences, then they also see Bigfoot or whatever,
Speaker 5: They're more likely to have another encounter.
Speaker 6: So clearly we are with a much bigger, bigger thing
Speaker 6: than simply UFO encounters. This has been going on for
Speaker 6: centuries and it's linked to hallucinogenic substances, and I argue
Speaker 6: that it's done because the brain releases DMT. I work
Speaker 6: with a lot of friends of mine who have out
Speaker 6: of the body the experiences, lucy dreaming, all these things
Speaker 6: that are all the same phenomenon, and what we need
Speaker 6: to do is stop being siloed. There's a phenomenon here,
Speaker 6: and what is happening is the parapsychologists are looking at
Speaker 6: in one way, the neurologists are looking in in the other.
Speaker 6: I genuinely believe I think I'm the only person on
Speaker 6: the planet that's going, well, look, let's take this, let's
Speaker 6: look at this and bring it together. Because the eggregorial
Speaker 6: can explain everything, and the point of the fact is
Speaker 6: it's supported by the science.
Speaker 5: I love it and it all ties in, and you're right,
Speaker 5: and we see that in our community, we see that
Speaker 5: at Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 4: All of these phenomenons seem to really overlap, and I
Speaker 4: wish the world would take a serious look at it.
Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk to Anthony
Speaker 5: more about this and we're going to ask him how.
Speaker 4: It ties in with CE five.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
Speaker 5: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
Speaker 5: Beyond Contact now, I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Anthony Peak. Hey, Anthony,
Speaker 5: how does this phenomenon tie in with groups like a
Speaker 5: CE five? For example, Here's people going out, they're all
Speaker 5: actively trying to conjure up what they call aliens. What
Speaker 5: are your thoughts on that. Does that sort of fit
Speaker 5: right into what you're talking about?
Speaker 6: Absolutely spot on it does, And funnily enough, you know,
Speaker 6: one of the extraordinary things that happened this year at
Speaker 6: Contact in the Desert. You know, when there was the
Speaker 6: sighting of the UFO, A group of people saw the UFO.
Speaker 6: Now again, I would argue, and I said to some
Speaker 6: of the people that were involved in this, you manifested
Speaker 6: that you created it because your anticipation of it. You know,
Speaker 6: what is the chances of a UFO just suddenly deciding
Speaker 6: to be flying around Indian wells at a UFO conference,
Speaker 6: and of course the critics and the cynics will turn around.
Speaker 6: I said, well, of course they're going to see these
Speaker 6: things because they're expecting them. So it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6: Reality is far more symbiotic with our intentions.
Speaker 5: Well, we all have a different perception of what things are. Also,
Speaker 5: one man's UFO is another man's trash can lid spot on?
Speaker 6: You know, it's so true. The more people that would
Speaker 6: believe in these things that were more that will manifest.
Speaker 6: You know, for me, the fascinating thing is more than
Speaker 6: anything else. It's something called the saper Warf hypothesis, which
Speaker 6: is something I studied at university fifty years ago, and
Speaker 6: it's the idea that language itself melds the way we
Speaker 6: perceive reality. Language structures us in certain ways. The way
Speaker 6: verbs decline will depend upon how we perceive things. Benjamin
Speaker 6: ly Wharf was the guy that came up with because
Speaker 6: he was working with Hope Children in Arizona or Utah
Speaker 6: and effectively he discovered that the children had difficulty being
Speaker 6: educated in normal schools because the way they thought about
Speaker 6: numbers was structured either way their language worked and the
Speaker 6: way their verbs declined. And he said, sod it be
Speaker 6: that language makes us see things in certain ways. I'm
Speaker 6: not one of the advocates who say, oh, no, the
Speaker 6: Native Americans couldn't see Columbus's ships because they couldn't equate them.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's nonsense, but it.
Speaker 6: Does mean that they don't have a way of placing
Speaker 6: it within a structural understanding. They will say it is
Speaker 6: like something else, because that's the only way you can
Speaker 6: describe things is by describing them as something else. It's
Speaker 6: like an argument I've used many, many times is that
Speaker 6: there's no such thing as the color red. The color
Speaker 6: red doesn't exist out the curtains behind me here. The
Speaker 6: only reason they're red is because your eyes and my
Speaker 6: eyes and the camera is interpreting a certain vibrational state
Speaker 6: of electromagnetic energy as being read.
Speaker 5: And we define it as red. Obviously, we use our
Speaker 5: own terms and our own description of what red is.
Speaker 5: For example, you know, when you're talking about this, I'm
Speaker 5: thinking to myself, it almost feels like These are also
Speaker 5: ongoing themes in horror movies where your belief in the monster,
Speaker 5: your belief in that entity, is the reason it thrives
Speaker 5: and has its power. Like sometimes you'll have to like
Speaker 5: not look at him, don't believe in him, don't read him,
Speaker 5: don't call his name. Those things conjure up this. It's
Speaker 5: funny how that ties into what you're saying.
Speaker 6: Well, it's one of the things that Paulino argued in
Speaker 6: terms of when he was using the terminology. They consider
Speaker 6: them to be parasites. Then in many ways they feed
Speaker 6: off fear that are anticipation of them. They generate fear,
Speaker 6: and they feed off this. And that makes a certain
Speaker 6: degree of sense because if we are to believe the
Speaker 6: work of people like wil Helm Reich and his idea
Speaker 6: of orgon energy for example, and I know that a
Speaker 6: lot of scientists will dismiss orgon energy, but we're still
Speaker 6: going round back to Henri Bergson and his concept of
Speaker 6: iland vital, the idea that living creatures give off a
Speaker 6: form of energy. Now, one could argue, you know, that's
Speaker 6: you're just heat, but it's not. There's something more. We know.
Speaker 6: For instance, if you go into a room and two
Speaker 6: people have been arguing. You feel the tension in the air,
Speaker 6: you just sub it up, and it seems we can
Speaker 6: subliminally attune into that. So could it be that fear
Speaker 6: itself can generate these things?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: So there's so much still to be researched here, But
Speaker 6: your point about movies to me, the idea of the
Speaker 6: zeitgeist or the veldtgeist, the idea that these things are
Speaker 6: known subliminally. For example, there's a great movie just come
Speaker 6: out now and I'm in contact with the director of
Speaker 6: the movie called Quantum Suicide. This movie, again, is something
Speaker 6: it's a concept I've been writing about for nearly two decades,
Speaker 6: and I'm delighted now that it's going mainstream because it's
Speaker 6: applying the twin slit experiment to the idea that you
Speaker 6: can't die, but you're collapsing the wave function of your
Speaker 6: universe and because of the circumstances, you will never die,
Speaker 6: but other people will see you die. Check the movie out.
Speaker 6: But it's just not that one, you know. It's things
Speaker 6: like Vanilla Sky, It's movies like The Matrix. All these
Speaker 6: movies people resonate in a deep level. This works young.
Speaker 4: And ideas that we have this inherently in us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the idea of young in archetypes. Yes, these
Speaker 6: are archetypes we recognize, and synchronicity is a typical example.
Speaker 6: I'm young was fascinated by synchronicity, as was Volfgang Pauley
Speaker 6: as a man who you know, did Powley's exclusion principle.
Speaker 6: He was a heavy duty quantum physicist, you know. He
Speaker 6: wasn't some nutjob that he'd met in a pub. This
Speaker 6: was Volfgang Pauli himself. Volfgang Pauli, for instance, had a
Speaker 6: preoccupation with a particular number. And I can't remember what
Speaker 6: the number was now, but all through his life it
Speaker 6: was something like one eight eight or something. Number kept reoccurring.
Speaker 6: But he didn't know what his significance was until he
Speaker 6: was dying, and it was the root the number of
Speaker 6: the room in the hospice that he died, which again
Speaker 6: is extraordinary, you know. And you say, we see these things,
Speaker 6: you know all the time.
Speaker 5: Anthony, why don't you speak for a second about what
Speaker 5: you think synchronicity means to us and what it means
Speaker 5: in our lives?
Speaker 4: How what should we do with synchronicities?
Speaker 6: Okay, Synchronicity is one of the most peculiar events that
Speaker 6: people have, and we experience it all the time. The
Speaker 6: argument will be that the human mind is pattern seeking,
Speaker 6: so therefore we see patterns in things, and we link
Speaker 6: things that we shouldn't that are just coincidental, and also
Speaker 6: we see things that have significance that don't. For example,
Speaker 6: you know, we will link two things together. Now, I
Speaker 6: give an example here of, for instance, the eleven eleven phenomenon,
Speaker 6: which is something that the people discuss a lot. So
Speaker 6: the eleven eleven phenomenon is the idea that people see
Speaker 6: the numbers eleven eleven. Now, I've argued that the reason
Speaker 6: we see this is basically because it's a group of
Speaker 6: numbers that are similar and they're all vertical, so therefore
Speaker 6: it's something we notice because it's the way we're trained
Speaker 6: to see things. But that didn't explain something that was
Speaker 6: pointed out to me when I was seeing eleven eleven
Speaker 6: all over the place, when my wife pointed out to
Speaker 6: me that, no, there's more to this, and I said,
Speaker 6: what do you mean? And she said, The title of
Speaker 6: the Dutch language edition of your first book is called
Speaker 6: leven eleven eleven, and I thought, oh my god, I'd
Speaker 6: never seen that, And leven and eleven eleven in Dutch
Speaker 6: means life after life, after life. So suddenly you see
Speaker 6: these kind of significant coincidences. And I have them happening
Speaker 6: all the time, because if we are co creating this universe,
Speaker 6: it's not at all surprising that these coincidences will occur.
Speaker 6: When I work with my little group of associates and
Speaker 6: we get together, coincidences happen almost all the time. And
Speaker 6: it's because we're creating an eggregol. We're creating an eggregle
Speaker 6: set of circumstances, and it just happens. It's like, for instance,
Speaker 6: when I do interviews like this, we attract the archons.
Speaker 6: You know, It's just happened.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: It happens every time I go and record things. Literally,
Speaker 6: this is the third time it has happened. Now, I
Speaker 6: am right next to my Wi Fi system, literally no
Speaker 6: more than two feet away from my laptop. We are
Speaker 6: wired in here. We have fiber optic going straight into
Speaker 6: the house. We have the most expensive Wi Fi system
Speaker 6: you can possibly have. But the minute I go live
Speaker 6: is the minute everything freezes. Quite extraordinary, And it.
Speaker 4: Happened to us just that away from these synchronicities. What
Speaker 4: is it supposed to mean to people? Oof?
Speaker 6: I think it's maybe the universe telling us that there's
Speaker 6: more to this than meets the eye, because it's like
Speaker 6: a wake up call, isn't it. It makes you jump
Speaker 6: out of your your almost sleep state when you're living life,
Speaker 6: and it makes you go, WHOA, what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 6: Of course some people get carried away with it, but
Speaker 6: sometimes you know, it's like the library Angel, the Youngian
Speaker 6: library Angel. You need a particular book, and there it is.
Speaker 6: You know, I've got two or three which we won't
Speaker 6: have time to discuss now, but that are just absolutely
Speaker 6: you would not believe them. And it makes you sit
Speaker 6: back and go wow. And I believe this is because
Speaker 6: it could be my damon, could be my higher self
Speaker 6: one of a better term, that's guiding me. That's said, right,
Speaker 6: you didn't do this last time, You're going to do
Speaker 6: it this?
Speaker 4: Why this time?
Speaker 6: This kind of thing, And this is why I feel
Speaker 6: very at home at Contact in the desert.
Speaker 5: Yeah, synchronicity is a big thing at Content in the desert,
Speaker 5: even us putting it on, we have synchronicity after synchronicity
Speaker 5: and what we say is it tells us we're doing
Speaker 5: the right thing and we're on the right path. Anthony,
Speaker 5: we're out of time, but I gotta thank you so
Speaker 5: much for taking the time.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 5: I always feel bad you doing these interviews because I
Speaker 5: feel like you should be out there doing your work
Speaker 5: and I don't want to take you away from that.
Speaker 5: You're doing really great work for all of us, for.
Speaker 6: Giving me the platform to get more of these ideas
Speaker 6: out there. And it'd be great to meet up again
Speaker 6: in a few months time.
Speaker 5: Be really good, absolutely, brother, Thanks for listening to Beyond Contact.
Speaker 5: We'll be back next week with an all new episode.
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