1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: Contact looks for the latest news and you've discuss some 13 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: of the classic cases and bring you the latest information 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: from the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 5: I am Captain Ron, and today I have the very 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 5: distinct pleasure of speaking with Anthony Peak. Anthony's a British 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 5: author and researcher known for his work at the intersection 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 5: of science, consciousness, and philosophy. His work often explores the 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 5: nature of reality, the mind, and the mysteries of the 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 5: human experience. Peak's interests span various fields, including neuroscience, psychology, 22 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 5: quantum physics, and he is especially focused on topics related 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 5: to altered states of consciousness, near death experiences, and the 24 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 5: role of time in human perception. He also has some 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 5: incredible thoughts on where the various entities that people experience 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 5: may be coming from. 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: We'll talk about that here today. 28 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 5: We're very lucky to have him coming back to Contact 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: in the Desert this year, which is going to be fantastic. Meanwhile, 30 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 5: I'm very glad to have them here with us today. 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Anthony. Good to see you, Iron. 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 6: It is really great to chat to you again. We 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 6: had some wonderful conversations over the last two years over 34 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 6: there in California, and I'm so looking forward to coming back. 35 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: I'm absolutely delighted Anthony. 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 5: Listen, we've been discussing these different ideas on the show 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 5: over the year, and we have these different ideas of 38 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 5: the beings that people claim to have encountered and what 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 5: they could be. There are different names throughout history of 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 5: different beings that people experience, you know, ghosts and spirits, 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 5: the gin and of course aliens, and it's evolved and 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 5: and everything from this is a technological race living on 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 5: another planet, traveling here, beings that travel interdimensionally, beings that 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 5: are extra tempestrials, crypto tempestrials, or even time travelers who. 45 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: May be us from the future. 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: There's all these different possibilities, and just when we think 47 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 5: there cannot possibly be yet another option, you come along 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 5: with something that I never would have even thought of. 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 5: And there's this egregorial hypothesis that flips everything upside Now, 50 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: can you please explain that to us from your mortals? 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: Right? Okay? 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 6: The term aggregore, as many people probably listening in here 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 6: will be aware of, is a reference to the Book 54 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 6: of Enoch in the Bible, and it's from the Greek eggregorial, 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 6: which means watcher. And I've been long intrigued by this 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 6: concept of this idea that we are watched over in 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 6: some way. And I became more and more intrigued as 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 6: time went on, because the more I developed my writing, 59 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 6: the more I became intrigued by not just encounters with aliens, 60 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 6: but encounters with the other in other words, non human intelligences. 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 6: And I started to discover that there's massive links here, 62 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 6: and it's consistent over time and over geography and. 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: Anthropologically as well. 64 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 6: So, for example, my mother had an extraordinary experience a 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 6: few year years ago where she saw a UFO, and 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 6: then a few days later she woke up in the 67 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 6: middle of the night in a state of what is 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 6: known as sleep paralysis, which we'll put touch on a 69 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 6: little bit later on. And she claimed, because she'd lived 70 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 6: on her own my father had died many years before, 71 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 6: she woke up in the middle of the night, and 72 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 6: she said she saw her door, a bedroom door was open, 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 6: and then she looked at the bedroom door and she 74 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 6: saw and she actually I quote her on this, she said, 75 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 6: I saw three spindly fingers come around the edge of 76 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 6: the door, and this little creature with huge black eyes, 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 6: two holes for a nose and a slip for a mouth, 78 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 6: looked at me, blinked and dodged back, and she said, 79 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 6: what tony was I seeing? Now, my mother wouldn't know 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 6: a gray if it bitter on the bottom. It's just 81 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 6: something that didn't interest her. But here she was giving 82 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 6: a precise description of a being that we know from 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 6: the Whitley Screeber experiences. But we also know that these 84 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 6: images of these beings have been around for millennia. For example, 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 6: in my book The Hidden Universe, I have an example 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 6: of round about five or six years ago, or five 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 6: or six years ago before I wrote the book, they 88 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 6: discovered a cave in India and people had not been 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 6: in that cave for three or four thousand years, and 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 6: inside were pictures of beings that look like aliens. Now, again, 91 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 6: we know from the work of Graham Hancock, you know 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 6: his work where he did some work in something called 93 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 6: the Junction Shelter in the Drakensburg Mountains in South Africa. 94 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 6: You look there, there is somebody. There is a being 95 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 6: in these pictures, are standing on a bridge that looks 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 6: like an alien. We know in closh Merle, which is 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 6: another series of caves, we have these entities. They're not unique, 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 6: they are universal. Now for me, the question is what 99 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 6: are they and are they a part of a deeper 100 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 6: phenomenon and do they have a deep relationship with us 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 6: in some way? And I argue that effectively we co 102 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 6: create them. And I call them the Aggregorials because an 103 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 6: egg grigore is also a term used in mystic mysticism 104 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 6: to create an entity. You create an eggregor by thinking 105 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 6: about it. Now, There's been various examples of this throughout 106 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 6: history where people claim that they have been able to 107 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 6: manifest entities, manifest angels for want of a better term, 108 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 6: and these angels can be manipulated, or we believe they 109 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 6: can be manipulated to help us. For instance, for John 110 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 6: d the famous alchemist of Elizabethan Times in the UK, 111 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 6: he said that he'd created an eggregor and a number 112 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 6: of eggregors. But I've dug into this and I've found 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 6: that eggregors are created all the time. I'll give an 114 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 6: example of this that was a fascinating series of experiments 115 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 6: done in nineteen the early nineteen seventies in Toronto were 116 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 6: a group of researchers created an entity called Robert Aylsford 117 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 6: and they created him. They created a completely fictional backstory 118 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 6: about him that was with fictional, they'd made it up. 119 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 6: But he started manifesting in a Wija board and then 120 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 6: they started manifesting physically. For instance, there were table turning 121 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 6: was happening and everything else as well. So it seems 122 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 6: that these entities, yes, and it levitated. The table levitated. 123 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: Now. 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 6: In fact, if anybody wants to check this out, you 125 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 6: can see the table levitating because the group of individuals 126 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 6: they were on Canadian television, and when they were on 127 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 6: Canadian television, it was recorded and you see the table moving, 128 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 6: so there's some kind of physical force taking place here, 129 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 6: but they'd created it. And we know that there's a 130 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 6: lady called Alexander Neil who was in the nineteen twenties, 131 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 6: was a Belgian explorer and she traveled in Tibet and 132 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 6: they created her, and a group of associates created what 133 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 6: they called a tolpa, which was a mindful and this toulper. 134 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 6: Initially they created it collectively together and it manifested as 135 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 6: a creature. She described it as being a very friendly 136 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 6: retund monk, but it started then becoming independent of them 137 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 6: and malevolent. And it's as if the creatures seemed to 138 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 6: anticipate what we want to see. And is this why 139 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 6: it explains the cultural parallels that we have over time? 140 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 6: Were the aliens that people encounters seemed to go from 141 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 6: being sort of standard Hollywood aliens to Nordics, And of 142 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 6: course we know in the eighteen nineties when there was 143 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 6: the airship flaps, they were Germans or they were Europeans, 144 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 6: but they then change from being Europeans to being Nordics. 145 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 6: Then from Nordics that you then get the grays. But 146 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 6: we know that the grays have exist is historically, so 147 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 6: they are these some form of shape shifters. Now I 148 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 6: believe that they manifest in the liminal states of consciousness, 149 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 6: these hypnogogic or hypnopompic states, when you're between sleeping and awake, 150 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 6: and that's when they seem to be able. 151 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: To come through. 152 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 6: And that was what happened with my mother. You know, 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 6: she was in a hypnopompic state. Hypnopompia is when you're 154 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 6: waking up and what happens is that you seem to 155 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 6: be able to tune into a greater reality. It's as 156 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 6: if the brain is unable to act as an attenuator, 157 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 6: it's unable to go out the wider information field when 158 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 6: we're in these liminal states. And again this is backed 159 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 6: up by recent eurological research that's been done at the 160 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 6: University of Sussex just down the road from here where 161 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 6: I'm located, where they took a group of volunteers who 162 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 6: volunteered to take psilocybin, which is magic mushrooms, and when 163 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 6: they took psilocybin, they had them under brain scanners, because 164 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 6: they assumed that what would happen is that the psilocybin 165 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 6: would make areas of the brain communicate more, which would 166 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 6: bring about the hallucinations in raised commas. Much to their astonishment, 167 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 6: they discovered the opposite. They discovered that it actually breaks 168 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 6: down the brain. The brain breaks down, the areas of 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 6: the brain can't communicate anymore. And I think this is 170 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 6: how we open the doors of perception. We stop the 171 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 6: brain being an attenuator, which is the argument that Aldus 172 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 6: Huxley used in his book nineteen fifty four book The 173 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 6: Doors of Perception. Also CD Broad and also the great 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 6: Henri Bergson in the eighteen nineties. These were all arguments 175 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 6: to say, the brain functions to take information out, and 176 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 6: hallucinogenics like DMT and various other loose natory substances or 177 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 6: entheogens are the things that open up these doors. And 178 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 6: of course the research recent research in the UK, the 179 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: Imperial College for instance, with the associates of mine who 180 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 6: are doing this work. It's extraordinary. You know, Andrew Gallimore, 181 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: one of the guys that talked at Contact in the 182 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 6: Desert two years ago, is one of the guys that's 183 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 6: central to all this. 184 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 4: Agreed, it's incredible. 185 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 5: Do you think that this is what people that say 186 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 5: they have an alien encounter really are experiencing? 187 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: Perhaps I do. 188 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 6: I do you know? Because in my new book, I've 189 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 6: just my new book has come out in the United 190 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 6: States and it will be out a few months time 191 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 6: in the UK. There's a problem with the distribution, and 192 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 6: it's on neo death experiences. But I have a whole 193 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 6: section on neo death experiences that seem to suggest something 194 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 6: more curious is going on. A lady called Dorothy Ayers Counts, 195 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 6: who was an Australian anthropologist who was working in New Britain, 196 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 6: which is an island off New Guinea, and she was 197 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 6: working with tribespeople there and she was pritically interested in 198 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 6: their neo death experience and what she discovered was extraordinary. 199 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 6: I have got evidence that one of them it was 200 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 6: a UFI encounter. 201 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 202 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 5: It's incredible how these things seem to tie together with 203 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 5: these different phenomenon. When we come back, we're going to 204 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 5: talk more with Anthony about this and what these beings 205 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 5: could be. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio 206 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 5: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Okay, we 207 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 5: are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking 208 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 5: to Anthony Peak. Hey, Anthony, what do you think these 209 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 5: manifestations are? Are they entities that are real and they 210 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: do exist, but we don't normally see them until our 211 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 5: consciousness tries to and then they appear in reality, just 212 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 5: like the observer effect in quantum mechanics. Or are they 213 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 5: just creations of the mind or are they just were 214 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 5: gaining access to see them? 215 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 4: What do you think is happening? 216 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 6: I think what we need to do is to go 217 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 6: deeper into this. They turn around and they will say, oh, 218 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 6: that's an illucination. These are hallucinations. But the question is 219 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 6: that nobody knows exactly what hallucinations are. And in fact, 220 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 6: I use the counter argument that say that waking life 221 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 6: is an hallucination in exactly the same way, in that 222 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 6: the brain internally creates a facsimile model of external reality 223 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 6: that we think is consensual reality, that real reality, because 224 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 6: we know that reality is not what it seems. As 225 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 6: you quite rightly point out there, the double slit experiment 226 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 6: and various other areas of quantum mechanics very much precisely 227 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 6: tell us that reality that is the solidity of subatomic 228 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 6: particles such as electrons and photons. They come into existence 229 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 6: that the act of observation or the act of measurement. 230 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 6: Before they are observed and measured, they are called what 231 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 6: is called a wave function, and the wave function is 232 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 6: a statistic it's a mathematical statistical wave that a particle 233 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 6: will be found in one location or another. Now, this 234 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 6: seems to be that there's a direct feedback mechanism going 235 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 6: on between the observer and the observed. There's a symbiotic 236 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 6: relations They are co creating each other. So therefore, when 237 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 6: we say that something is an hallucination, we've got to 238 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 6: be very careful in our wording here, because if something 239 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 6: is perceived by somebody, and hallucinations are very much perceived 240 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 6: out there, they're projected outwards by the brain. Now, if 241 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 6: they were just standard brain creations, why are they so strange? 242 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 6: Why would an hallucination be an alien gray Why wouldn't 243 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 6: it be a friend or somebody much more normal? 244 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: And why do other people have the exact same vision? Correct? 245 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 6: And this is the argument I argue, is that I 246 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 6: consider reality also to be aggregorial. That effectively, when we 247 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 6: as joint observers are observing external reality, we are both 248 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 6: overlapping co creating that reality, in which case when something 249 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 6: is seen in three dimensions outside of two consciousnesses and 250 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 6: many more. In fact, I always love this argument. They 251 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 6: have an explanation for these. If two people see it, 252 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 6: it's called a foliodu, and if a large group of people, 253 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 6: it's a collective hallucination. Nobody knows how this can work, 254 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 6: and nobody knows how people see the same thing and 255 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,479 Speaker 6: how they can report back the same information unless telepathy. 256 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 6: And in many ways, this is why I find it 257 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 6: extraordinarily amusing, is that some scientists will argue the telepathy arguments. 258 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 6: They don't like telepathy, but they're going to explain something 259 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 6: they like even less by using something they don't like 260 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 6: in the first place. 261 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: It seems to me like you're using the idea of 262 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: the observer effect, which says that consciousness creates reality, that 263 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 5: that's sort of a staple of quantum mechanics, and you're 264 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 5: just kind of expanding on it that that creates more 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: of reality. It sounds to me almost like it's giving 266 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 5: credence to the simulation theories where this part is being 267 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 5: rendered as we see it. 268 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 6: Then, in my previous book, The Hidden Universe, I go 269 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 6: into great detail about the simulation argument and the idea 270 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 6: that the universe itself is holographic in nature and its 271 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 6: basic format is mathematical. And again this is not me 272 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 6: saying this. This is something the holographic principle has been 273 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 6: round for at least three maybe four decades, and now 274 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 6: they've been doing the science of exactly how it works. 275 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 6: It's to do with black holes. It's to do with 276 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 6: the loss of data. If you throw a phone, theoretically 277 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 6: throw a phone into a black hole, that information is lost. 278 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 6: But information can never be lost, so they argue that 279 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: the information is smeared along the edge of the black hole, 280 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 6: which means that it can be recorded and brought back again. 281 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 6: The reality that we think is solid is ninety nine 282 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 6: point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine 283 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: nine nine six empty space. In terms of the hydrogen atom, 284 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 6: for example, that's a huge amount of empty space. And 285 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 6: the things that are solid supposedly within there are point 286 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 6: part of the electron is a point particle. However much 287 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 6: you try to look into an electron, you will only 288 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 6: ever get a point particle, and a point has no 289 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 6: extension in space. It's the same with photons that allow 290 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 6: us to see Photons, the very things that are creating 291 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 6: the light that's surrounding you by which you interpret external reality, 292 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 6: are in fact so weird. It's untrue. Under certain circumstances, 293 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 6: they are point particles. Under other circumstances, they are waves. 294 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 6: And depending upon whether they are observed or not, is 295 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 6: whether they are a particle or a wave. It is 296 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 6: as if the particles know they're being observed. Now in 297 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: the twin slit experiment, they turn from a wave to 298 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 6: a particle because they know they're being observed. This then 299 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 6: gets weirder because photons or point particles, they have no 300 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 6: extension in space. But on top of that, they can 301 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 6: only travel at the speed of light, which means from 302 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 6: the point of view of a photon, there is no time. 303 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 6: Because we know from Einstein that the fact as you 304 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 6: go and the closer you get to the speed of light, 305 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 6: time and space change. Space becomes time and time becomes space. 306 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 6: You know, when people talk about space time, they don't 307 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 6: really grasp what it's saying. Space and time are the 308 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 6: same thing. So when you travel at the speed of light, 309 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 6: time stops, so from the point of view of a 310 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 6: photon who's leaving say Alpha century, what you know, sort 311 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 6: of six six seven light years ago. For that photon, 312 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 6: it's instantaneous between it leaving the surface of the star 313 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 6: to reaching your eye. But you extrapolate from that, it's 314 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 6: the same for those particles if they're leaving a quasar 315 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: that hasn't existed for billions of years, that light ray 316 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 6: still and that photon it's still instantaneous. Now, somebody called 317 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 6: John Wheeler came over this wonderful thought experiment, whereby he said, 318 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 6: by using a theoretical twin slit experiment, using the light 319 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 6: coming from a quasar, you can prove that not only 320 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 6: does the act of observation create the universes it is now, 321 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 6: it creates it as it was billions of years ago, 322 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 6: because of course time and space are the same thing. 323 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 6: So suddenly the idea that there is an out there 324 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 6: and an in here is much more complex. So is 325 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 6: this worthy? Eggrigors exist. They come in because they anticipate 326 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 6: our thoughts, and I argue they manifest using probably plasma, 327 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 6: to manifest themselves into to draw themselves into this reality. 328 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 6: The late and very great and sadly died last year. 329 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 6: A guy called Paulino, who was a researcher in Rhode 330 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 6: Island in your great country. He came to the conclusion 331 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 6: because he'd seen entities manifesting around electricity substations. And the 332 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 6: final point I'd like to make here in terms of 333 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 6: the egrigorial as plasma, is the role of the gin. 334 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 6: You know that in Islamic tradition, when God made man, 335 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 6: God also made the angels, and he made the gin. 336 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 6: He made man out of mud, He made the angels 337 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 6: out of I think it was light, and he made 338 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 6: the gin out of something that is described as smokeless fire. 339 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 6: Smokeless fire is plasma. The sun is plasma, and of 340 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 6: course it's pure light, pure electromagnetic energy of a particular kind. 341 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 6: So suddenly these beings are manifesting within the electromagnetic spectrum, 342 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 6: and they dip within and out, and they can choose 343 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 6: how they look, and if they are coming from a 344 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 6: place outside of space and time Philip K. Dick would 345 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 6: called orthogonal time, which runs at a right angle to 346 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 6: this time, these beings are time travelers. And I know 347 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 6: there's the argument putting forward now that the people in 348 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 6: the UFOs are time travelers. But this would also explain 349 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 6: the extraordinary way in which like the tic TACs move. 350 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 6: It's because they are not what we think they are. 351 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 6: They're not physical objects as such. They're moving in a 352 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 6: completely different way because they're not made of matter in 353 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 6: the way we understand matter, being the warping space around them, 354 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 6: and the warping space to turn it into time so 355 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 6: they can semp flick time and space into each other. 356 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 6: There was a fascinating series of experiments done in the 357 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 6: eighteen nineties by the Society for Psychical Research in the 358 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 6: UK and it was called Imperior and Rector, and what 359 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 6: it was was a group of people who were in 360 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 6: communication with entities through mediums, and the entities were communicating 361 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 6: with them and saying we need to communicate with you. 362 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 6: Develop devices that helps us communicate. Roll forward many years 363 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 6: we have the EVP phenomena, the electro electronic voice phenomenon, 364 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 6: and again we have the same phenomenon where the entities 365 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 6: are communicating using electromagnetic energy to communicate directly with us. 366 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 6: In the nineteen nineties, there was a series of fascinating 367 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 6: experiments took place in Skull in Norfolk here in the UK, 368 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 6: where a group of researchers were communicating again with aliens 369 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 6: that they claim were from the other side. One of 370 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 6: the most famous images of this is a being they 371 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 6: called Blue, and it appeared on a television screen. You 372 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 6: look at Blue. It's a great it's. 373 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 5: Seeing that picture, Anthony, and it does look much, very 374 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 5: very alien to all of us. 375 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: It would look like what we would call an alien. 376 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk to Anthony 377 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 5: more about how people want to have these experiences and 378 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 5: if they are actually causing them to become reality. You're 379 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 5: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 380 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 5: Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 381 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 5: We're talking with Anthony Peak. Anthony, is that what makes 382 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: these things appear? Is it because a group of people 383 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: want to have these experiences that they actually make it 384 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 5: a reality similar to the observer effect? Is it the 385 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 5: same sort of thing. 386 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 6: Well, this is what happened with the Philip experiment in 387 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 6: the early nineteen seventies in Toronto. You know, they tried 388 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 6: to create a fictional character that became real again with 389 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 6: Alexander Neil when she created the Tulpa. But if we 390 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 6: get together. It seems that when minds come together, they 391 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 6: can be much more powerful. It seems to be the 392 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 6: Eggregorial becomes almost the third man. It's something that's greater 393 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 6: than us. It's as if it's a melding of consciousness. 394 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 6: It's almost like the mind melding of Star Trek. And 395 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 6: the idea is that if we collectively anticipate things, they 396 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 6: will happen. Now Again, in one of my books, I argue, 397 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 6: for instance, the weird things that happened in Fatima in 398 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 6: it was It nineteen seventeen in Portugal, you know where 399 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 6: a group of three children thought they saw the Virgin Mary. 400 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 6: But if you look into it, the Virgin Murray itself 401 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 6: never actually said she was the Virgin Mary. She may 402 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 6: have said I think she was the Immaculate Conception, but 403 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 6: she never actually referenced who she actually was. And again 404 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 6: she manifests as a lot of these entities do in 405 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: caves Fatima, and if you look at Bernadette Subaru and 406 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 6: her experiences, these entities seem to need darkness in some way, 407 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 6: and I argue they need darkness for a specific purpose. 408 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 6: There are a group of individual people who are trained 409 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 6: in shamanism down in the mountains of Columbia in Latin 410 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 6: America call the Mammas. They take young children, very young children, 411 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 6: and they place them in a cave for the whole 412 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 6: of their childhood. They don't see natural light because by 413 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 6: doing so, they allow those individuals to shamanic travel, to 414 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 6: encounter entities, to actually communicate with the gods, which they 415 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: call it. But I argue why they're doing this is 416 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 6: neurological because they're putting them in darkness for a specific reason. 417 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 6: They want the pineal gland to activate endogenous that is 418 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 6: inwardly generated dimethyl trip to me. The pineal gland in 419 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 6: the brain exists to create melatonin, and melatonin is the 420 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 6: substance that makes you go to sleep, so you create 421 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 6: more melatonin when it goes dark. That's why they need 422 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 6: to be in darkness. But also what happens is you're 423 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 6: they're creating so much melatonin it can be synthesized into 424 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 6: endogen or what one of my associates, Beach Barrett, calls metatonin, 425 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 6: which is inwardly generated dimethyl trip to me. Rick Strassman, 426 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 6: the guy that did the research in the nineteen nineties 427 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 6: at the University of New Mexico called dnt are reality modulator. 428 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 6: In recent research has discovered two important things. But the 429 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 6: most important one and I might touch on the other 430 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 6: one later because it relates to neo death experiences. But 431 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 6: they've discovered something a lady called Gmo Borgijin at the 432 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 6: University of Michigan. They were euthanizing rats to test things 433 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 6: in the brain. It's very immoral what they were doing that. Nevertheless, 434 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 6: they found within the pinineal gland of live rats dimethyl 435 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 6: trip to me. This would explain one of the great 436 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 6: mysteries of neurology. 437 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: Within the brain. 438 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 6: There are things called the trace amine associated receptor sites, 439 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 6: which are receptor sites in neurons. In certain neurons, like 440 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 6: a receptor site is like a lock to a key, 441 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 6: so they will react with certain neurotransmitters like some will 442 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 6: react with serotonin, dopamine, you know, sort of glutamate, the 443 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 6: these neurotransmitters. But the trace amine associated receptors didn't seem 444 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 6: to mix with any of the other neurotransmitters until they 445 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 6: realized they were designed to work with dimethyl trip to me. 446 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 6: So clearly there are these neurological sites, which suggests that 447 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 6: dimethyl trip to mean is a neurotransmitter. We have evolved 448 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 6: to have this in our brain. Now, if this is 449 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 6: the case when people take dimethyl trip to mean under 450 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 6: experimental conditions, or they drink ayahuasca, what do they encounter? Entities? 451 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 6: It's the first thing that comes through is entities. This 452 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 6: is of such significance. Now I have a friend of 453 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 6: mine who is one of the people who is a 454 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 6: volunteer who's taking under control conditions DMT intravenience is being 455 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 6: injected into his blood system. And what they're doing is 456 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 6: they're having people at Imperial College take this in London 457 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 6: under control conditions. Legally, they go into an altered state 458 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 6: and they come back and they report what they're seeing. 459 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 6: All of them report entities. 460 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 4: But because that's always a part. 461 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 6: Now this is the billion dollar thing. Doctor Carl Smith, 462 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 6: Carl Hayden Smith told me that when he took it, 463 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 6: he went into this place called the DMT Cage, and 464 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 6: it's this location and it's like you're floating in space. 465 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 6: And people when they take DMT, when they go to 466 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 6: this place, it's more real than this. When they come 467 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 6: back here, they realize this is the simulation they're outside 468 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 6: the sun when they go there, and particularly when people 469 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 6: take something called five meo DMT, which is a more 470 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 6: powerful version, and in then they say they become God. 471 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 6: So inclosed, and I have an idea of what is 472 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 6: taking place why you have this feeling of oneness when 473 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 6: you take five meo. But going back to DMT and Carl, 474 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 6: he finds himself in the DMT cage, and again I 475 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 6: discussed this in two of my books. An entity comes 476 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 6: over to him, an insect identity like a mantis, comes over, 477 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 6: goes through the cage and taps him and says, you 478 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 6: shouldn't be doing it this way. Do not do it 479 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 6: this way, and recedes back. He then finds himself coming 480 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 6: down from the DMT trip. He comes to and thinks 481 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 6: that was weird. Two weeks later, he takes the DMT again. 482 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 6: He's in the same place. The same creature comes over 483 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 6: and says, I told you this last time. You shouldn't 484 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 6: be doing it this way now, as Carl has said 485 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 6: to me a the creature was consistent. It was the 486 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 6: same creature, and it remembered him waiting for him to 487 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 6: come back. 488 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 5: Wait a whold on people would really think that, well, 489 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: that's just his memory of having that experience, so he 490 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 5: would imagine the same being. 491 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 6: But the circumstance here is it was telling him things 492 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 6: that he didn't want to hear. I mean, he was 493 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: somebody that really wanted to take the DMPT to actually 494 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 6: encounter these entities. And as he said to me, saying 495 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 6: the opposite of what my intentions were. So if it 496 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 6: was my subconscious, my subconject was really playing with me. 497 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 6: And this is one of my central arguments here that 498 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 6: if dreams and dream sequences and entity encounters are subconsciously created, 499 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 6: our subconscious is incredible because it can create this three 500 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 6: dimension illusory reality that seems to be independent of us. 501 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 6: But I just can go back to the Dorothy Counts 502 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 6: with the Callai people in New Britain. One of the 503 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 6: guys there had a near death experience, and I'll just 504 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 6: describe what he said. In this near death experience, he 505 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 6: met a dead woman who he didn't know was dead 506 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 6: at the time. She died while he was having his experience, 507 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 6: and he didn't know she died, so this was evidence 508 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 6: that he had information in this other world that he 509 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 6: didn't know about. But he says, but I saw the 510 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 6: dead woman that I'd met on the road. I saw 511 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 6: her leave me. I wanted to call out, hey, come back, 512 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 6: but I couldn't, for this house turned in a circle. 513 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 6: He found himself in a house, and he said, but 514 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 6: it started turkey, turning in a circle. I couldn't see 515 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 6: the man who talked to me, but I did see 516 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 6: children lying on platforms over the doors and windows. As 517 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 6: I was walking around trying to see everything. They took 518 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 6: hold of me and took me back down the steps. 519 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 6: I wanted to go back to the house, but I 520 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 6: couldn't because it turned and I realized it was not 521 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 6: on posts. It was just hanging there in the air, 522 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 6: turning round as if it was on an axle. If 523 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 6: I wanted to go to the door, the house would turn. 524 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 6: There would be another part of the house where I 525 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 6: was standing. He's describing a ufo. He's describing literally a ufo, 526 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 6: and he's guided by two entities while he's there, and 527 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 6: it's like shamanic traveling. They do experiments on his body. 528 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 5: Which is also like UFO experiences. People often say they 529 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 5: were experimented on. 530 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 6: I know and get this. He then says, I came back, 531 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 6: but there was no road for me to follow so 532 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 6: the voice said, let him go down. Then there was 533 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 6: a beam of light and I walked along it. I 534 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 6: walked down the steps and when I turned to look, 535 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 6: there was nothing but forest beam of light. Travis Walton. 536 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 4: That's more than Travis. There's many, many, many UFO cases. 537 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 6: The beam of light drawing them up into it. So 538 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 6: here we have somebody who's living in a really isolated 539 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 6: community on an isolated island off New Guinea describing precisely 540 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 6: an experience of a UFO encounter. There was a very 541 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 6: famous UFO encounter in June of nineteen fifty nine involving 542 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 6: a guy called Father William gill Gil and thirty nine 543 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 6: others witnessed a UFO in New Guinea and they saw 544 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 6: this object come over and there were people on the 545 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 6: object and they waved at them. And the description of 546 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 6: that object is almost exactly the same as the description 547 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 6: of the object given by the guide to Dorothy Counts. 548 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 6: Now that has always gone down as a near death experience. 549 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 6: But work done by Kenneth Ring and his associate, I 550 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 6: think it's Christopher Rosing, and they did some work and 551 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 6: they came up with they called an encounter prone personality. 552 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 6: Their brain works differently because these people will encounter entities, 553 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 6: They will have near death experiences, out of body experiences. 554 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 5: Often times we hear that anthony where people have one 555 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 5: of these experiences, then they also see Bigfoot or whatever, 556 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 5: They're more likely to have another encounter. 557 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 6: So clearly we are with a much bigger, bigger thing 558 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 6: than simply UFO encounters. This has been going on for 559 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 6: centuries and it's linked to hallucinogenic substances, and I argue 560 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 6: that it's done because the brain releases DMT. I work 561 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 6: with a lot of friends of mine who have out 562 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 6: of the body the experiences, lucy dreaming, all these things 563 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 6: that are all the same phenomenon, and what we need 564 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 6: to do is stop being siloed. There's a phenomenon here, 565 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 6: and what is happening is the parapsychologists are looking at 566 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 6: in one way, the neurologists are looking in in the other. 567 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 6: I genuinely believe I think I'm the only person on 568 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 6: the planet that's going, well, look, let's take this, let's 569 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 6: look at this and bring it together. Because the eggregorial 570 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 6: can explain everything, and the point of the fact is 571 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 6: it's supported by the science. 572 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 5: I love it and it all ties in, and you're right, 573 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: and we see that in our community, we see that 574 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 5: at Contact in the Desert. 575 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: All of these phenomenons seem to really overlap, and I 576 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 4: wish the world would take a serious look at it. 577 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk to Anthony 578 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 5: more about this and we're going to ask him how. 579 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: It ties in with CE five. 580 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 5: You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast 581 00:31:49,480 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 5: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on 582 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 5: Beyond Contact now, I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Anthony Peak. Hey, Anthony, 583 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 5: how does this phenomenon tie in with groups like a 584 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 5: CE five? For example, Here's people going out, they're all 585 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 5: actively trying to conjure up what they call aliens. What 586 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 5: are your thoughts on that. Does that sort of fit 587 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: right into what you're talking about? 588 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 6: Absolutely spot on it does, And funnily enough, you know, 589 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 6: one of the extraordinary things that happened this year at 590 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 6: Contact in the Desert. You know, when there was the 591 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 6: sighting of the UFO, A group of people saw the UFO. 592 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 6: Now again, I would argue, and I said to some 593 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 6: of the people that were involved in this, you manifested 594 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 6: that you created it because your anticipation of it. You know, 595 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 6: what is the chances of a UFO just suddenly deciding 596 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 6: to be flying around Indian wells at a UFO conference, 597 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 6: and of course the critics and the cynics will turn around. 598 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 6: I said, well, of course they're going to see these 599 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 6: things because they're expecting them. So it doesn't work that way. 600 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 6: Reality is far more symbiotic with our intentions. 601 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 5: Well, we all have a different perception of what things are. Also, 602 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 5: one man's UFO is another man's trash can lid spot on? 603 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 6: You know, it's so true. The more people that would 604 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 6: believe in these things that were more that will manifest. 605 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 6: You know, for me, the fascinating thing is more than 606 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 6: anything else. It's something called the saper Warf hypothesis, which 607 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 6: is something I studied at university fifty years ago, and 608 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 6: it's the idea that language itself melds the way we 609 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 6: perceive reality. Language structures us in certain ways. The way 610 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 6: verbs decline will depend upon how we perceive things. Benjamin 611 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 6: ly Wharf was the guy that came up with because 612 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 6: he was working with Hope Children in Arizona or Utah 613 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 6: and effectively he discovered that the children had difficulty being 614 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 6: educated in normal schools because the way they thought about 615 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 6: numbers was structured either way their language worked and the 616 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 6: way their verbs declined. And he said, sod it be 617 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 6: that language makes us see things in certain ways. I'm 618 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 6: not one of the advocates who say, oh, no, the 619 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 6: Native Americans couldn't see Columbus's ships because they couldn't equate them. 620 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 4: I mean, that's nonsense, but it. 621 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 6: Does mean that they don't have a way of placing 622 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 6: it within a structural understanding. They will say it is 623 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,399 Speaker 6: like something else, because that's the only way you can 624 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 6: describe things is by describing them as something else. It's 625 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 6: like an argument I've used many, many times is that 626 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 6: there's no such thing as the color red. The color 627 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 6: red doesn't exist out the curtains behind me here. The 628 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 6: only reason they're red is because your eyes and my 629 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 6: eyes and the camera is interpreting a certain vibrational state 630 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 6: of electromagnetic energy as being read. 631 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 5: And we define it as red. Obviously, we use our 632 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 5: own terms and our own description of what red is. 633 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 5: For example, you know, when you're talking about this, I'm 634 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 5: thinking to myself, it almost feels like These are also 635 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 5: ongoing themes in horror movies where your belief in the monster, 636 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 5: your belief in that entity, is the reason it thrives 637 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 5: and has its power. Like sometimes you'll have to like 638 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 5: not look at him, don't believe in him, don't read him, 639 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 5: don't call his name. Those things conjure up this. It's 640 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 5: funny how that ties into what you're saying. 641 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 6: Well, it's one of the things that Paulino argued in 642 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 6: terms of when he was using the terminology. They consider 643 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 6: them to be parasites. Then in many ways they feed 644 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 6: off fear that are anticipation of them. They generate fear, 645 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 6: and they feed off this. And that makes a certain 646 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 6: degree of sense because if we are to believe the 647 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 6: work of people like wil Helm Reich and his idea 648 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 6: of orgon energy for example, and I know that a 649 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 6: lot of scientists will dismiss orgon energy, but we're still 650 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 6: going round back to Henri Bergson and his concept of 651 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 6: iland vital, the idea that living creatures give off a 652 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 6: form of energy. Now, one could argue, you know, that's 653 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 6: you're just heat, but it's not. There's something more. We know. 654 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 6: For instance, if you go into a room and two 655 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 6: people have been arguing. You feel the tension in the air, 656 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 6: you just sub it up, and it seems we can 657 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 6: subliminally attune into that. So could it be that fear 658 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 6: itself can generate these things? 659 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 5: You know? 660 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 6: So there's so much still to be researched here, But 661 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 6: your point about movies to me, the idea of the 662 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 6: zeitgeist or the veldtgeist, the idea that these things are 663 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 6: known subliminally. For example, there's a great movie just come 664 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 6: out now and I'm in contact with the director of 665 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 6: the movie called Quantum Suicide. This movie, again, is something 666 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 6: it's a concept I've been writing about for nearly two decades, 667 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 6: and I'm delighted now that it's going mainstream because it's 668 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 6: applying the twin slit experiment to the idea that you 669 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 6: can't die, but you're collapsing the wave function of your 670 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 6: universe and because of the circumstances, you will never die, 671 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 6: but other people will see you die. Check the movie out. 672 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 6: But it's just not that one, you know. It's things 673 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 6: like Vanilla Sky, It's movies like The Matrix. All these 674 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 6: movies people resonate in a deep level. This works young. 675 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 4: And ideas that we have this inherently in us. 676 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the idea of young in archetypes. Yes, these 677 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 6: are archetypes we recognize, and synchronicity is a typical example. 678 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 6: I'm young was fascinated by synchronicity, as was Volfgang Pauley 679 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 6: as a man who you know, did Powley's exclusion principle. 680 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 6: He was a heavy duty quantum physicist, you know. He 681 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 6: wasn't some nutjob that he'd met in a pub. This 682 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 6: was Volfgang Pauli himself. Volfgang Pauli, for instance, had a 683 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 6: preoccupation with a particular number. And I can't remember what 684 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 6: the number was now, but all through his life it 685 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 6: was something like one eight eight or something. Number kept reoccurring. 686 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 6: But he didn't know what his significance was until he 687 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 6: was dying, and it was the root the number of 688 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 6: the room in the hospice that he died, which again 689 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 6: is extraordinary, you know. And you say, we see these things, 690 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 6: you know all the time. 691 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 5: Anthony, why don't you speak for a second about what 692 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 5: you think synchronicity means to us and what it means 693 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 5: in our lives? 694 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 4: How what should we do with synchronicities? 695 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 6: Okay, Synchronicity is one of the most peculiar events that 696 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 6: people have, and we experience it all the time. The 697 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 6: argument will be that the human mind is pattern seeking, 698 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 6: so therefore we see patterns in things, and we link 699 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 6: things that we shouldn't that are just coincidental, and also 700 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 6: we see things that have significance that don't. For example, 701 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 6: you know, we will link two things together. Now, I 702 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 6: give an example here of, for instance, the eleven eleven phenomenon, 703 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 6: which is something that the people discuss a lot. So 704 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 6: the eleven eleven phenomenon is the idea that people see 705 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 6: the numbers eleven eleven. Now, I've argued that the reason 706 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 6: we see this is basically because it's a group of 707 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 6: numbers that are similar and they're all vertical, so therefore 708 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 6: it's something we notice because it's the way we're trained 709 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 6: to see things. But that didn't explain something that was 710 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 6: pointed out to me when I was seeing eleven eleven 711 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 6: all over the place, when my wife pointed out to 712 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 6: me that, no, there's more to this, and I said, 713 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 6: what do you mean? And she said, The title of 714 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 6: the Dutch language edition of your first book is called 715 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 6: leven eleven eleven, and I thought, oh my god, I'd 716 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 6: never seen that, And leven and eleven eleven in Dutch 717 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,359 Speaker 6: means life after life, after life. So suddenly you see 718 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 6: these kind of significant coincidences. And I have them happening 719 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 6: all the time, because if we are co creating this universe, 720 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 6: it's not at all surprising that these coincidences will occur. 721 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 6: When I work with my little group of associates and 722 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 6: we get together, coincidences happen almost all the time. And 723 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 6: it's because we're creating an eggregol. We're creating an eggregle 724 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 6: set of circumstances, and it just happens. It's like, for instance, 725 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 6: when I do interviews like this, we attract the archons. 726 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 6: You know, It's just happened. 727 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 4: Now. 728 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 6: It happens every time I go and record things. Literally, 729 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 6: this is the third time it has happened. Now, I 730 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 6: am right next to my Wi Fi system, literally no 731 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 6: more than two feet away from my laptop. We are 732 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 6: wired in here. We have fiber optic going straight into 733 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 6: the house. We have the most expensive Wi Fi system 734 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 6: you can possibly have. But the minute I go live 735 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 6: is the minute everything freezes. Quite extraordinary, And it. 736 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 4: Happened to us just that away from these synchronicities. What 737 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 4: is it supposed to mean to people? Oof? 738 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 6: I think it's maybe the universe telling us that there's 739 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 6: more to this than meets the eye, because it's like 740 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 6: a wake up call, isn't it. It makes you jump 741 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 6: out of your your almost sleep state when you're living life, 742 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 6: and it makes you go, WHOA, what does that mean? 743 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 4: Now? 744 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 6: Of course some people get carried away with it, but 745 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 6: sometimes you know, it's like the library Angel, the Youngian 746 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 6: library Angel. You need a particular book, and there it is. 747 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 6: You know, I've got two or three which we won't 748 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 6: have time to discuss now, but that are just absolutely 749 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 6: you would not believe them. And it makes you sit 750 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 6: back and go wow. And I believe this is because 751 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 6: it could be my damon, could be my higher self 752 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 6: one of a better term, that's guiding me. That's said, right, 753 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 6: you didn't do this last time, You're going to do 754 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 6: it this? 755 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 4: Why this time? 756 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 6: This kind of thing, And this is why I feel 757 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 6: very at home at Contact in the desert. 758 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, synchronicity is a big thing at Content in the desert, 759 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 5: even us putting it on, we have synchronicity after synchronicity 760 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 5: and what we say is it tells us we're doing 761 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 5: the right thing and we're on the right path. Anthony, 762 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 5: we're out of time, but I gotta thank you so 763 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 5: much for taking the time. 764 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 4: It's absolutely fascinating. 765 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 5: I always feel bad you doing these interviews because I 766 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 5: feel like you should be out there doing your work 767 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 5: and I don't want to take you away from that. 768 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 5: You're doing really great work for all of us, for. 769 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 6: Giving me the platform to get more of these ideas 770 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 6: out there. And it'd be great to meet up again 771 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 6: in a few months time. 772 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,720 Speaker 5: Be really good, absolutely, brother, Thanks for listening to Beyond Contact. 773 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 5: We'll be back next week with an all new episode. 774 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 4: You can follow me. 775 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 5: Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CD Underscore Captain Ron. 776 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 5: Stay connected by checking out Contactindthdesert dot com. Stay open 777 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 5: minded and rational as we explore the unknown right here 778 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 5: on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM pair, i'm 779 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 5: a podcast network. 780 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 781 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,919 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal podcast Network. Make sure and check out 782 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: all our shows on the iHeartRadio app or by going 783 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: to iHeartRadio dot com.