WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 071421 Q Ward & Ramses Ja 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.000 Welcome to another episode of Civic Sipher. I'm your host, 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:04.960 ramses Jah. Ramses calls me q. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.960 Yes indeed for people at the club and other venues, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:09.920 call me q ward and give people put a DJ 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:10.720 on in front of that. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.440 It's kind of what I go by, yes indeed, and 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.680 back again to talk about what's going on in the world, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:25.160 goings on in Black America. Yes, not just Black America, America, 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:30.920 black existence and that that part. But a great show 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.680 this week. This week we are going to talk about 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:39.320 some you know, admittedly the show is heavy on any occasions, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.600 but this week we're going to talk about some heavy things, 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.600 but some some things that we don't normally get to 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.200 talk about. One such thing is we're going to talk 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:55.800 about story where some policing is done in a very 0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:01.040 heroic the manner. And on this show, you know, very 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.800 critical of the way policing is done in this country, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.520 especially when it comes to black and brown bodies. But 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.480 we have a story. We were able to watch the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.480 video and of course we'll talk to it, but a 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.080 great story of an example of police being done right 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.440 and really want to highlight the difficulties of the job 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.320 and the heroic nature of at least these police officers, 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.040 you know, doing what they did, So I'm really happy 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.440 to be able to highlight that story. We're also going 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:37.640 to spend some time talking about Al Sharpton taking on 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:42.280 a case of a white victim, which is new that 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.400 doesn't happen very often. And of course we have our 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.800 bah bah. We have a good one for you this week, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.280 and right now I think we should spend some time 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.280 talking about some ebony excellence that sound good to you. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.080 Absolutely all I do is win no matter. Okay, well, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:06.920 then let's get to it. The name Zaiela avant Garde 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:07.920 mean anything to us you. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.320 First of all, this queen's last name is a rock 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.320 gard which would make you stop even if you had 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.560 no idea why you were reading her name. If you 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.600 saw it, you'd have to pause to just look further 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:28.359 into that our first black National spelling be champion, indeed, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.800 which would be enough by itself. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:31.720 And she's fourteen. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.640 She just also happens to be one of the best 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.320 people on earth to dribble a basketball that too, and 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:40.520 not just dribble of basketball. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:41.680 If you can google. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.639 Her and check out her highlights, she's really good at 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.480 playing basketball in general, and juggling and everything with a basket. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.960 She's incredible. You can see the way her brain works 0:02:53.520 --> 0:03:01.520 differently in the way that she handles the juggling and 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.920 the basketball and so forth. It's just you can see 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.360 that her mind is just on a different level. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.079 There's likely nothing that she wants to be good at 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.280 that she's not. Yeah, exactly, that's what I gather from 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:12.799 watching her. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.200 There's something I don't know why it comes to mind 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.120 right now, but something about a world record or something 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:18.480 like that. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.000 Yeah, she's got multiple Guinness Okay, so that was record. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.000 Yeah, yeah, So I love taking a moment to highlight 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.360 some ebony excellence. So necessary, Yeah, exactly, And so zayla 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.000 avant Garde for for this week on Civic Cipher. You know, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.040 we we salute you. You know, please keep shining, baby girl. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:40.840 We love to see it. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.800 We might salute her again in a few weeks. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.840 We might have to man and again. Za E la 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.600 avant Garde, z A I l a avant Garde. If 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.960 you want to check her out. She's got tons of 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.960 videos and all that sort of stuff. Just an inspirational 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.960 human being and a black human being and that's special 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.200 around here. And so yeah, I wanted to take a 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.680 moment to highlight that. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:02.720 But. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.160 Really excited. I'm excited is kind of not really the 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:14.680 best word, but really, what's the word? I'm thinking? Maybe 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.760 interested in talking about our first topic this week, which 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:26.520 is a video that came our way that takes place 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.880 in Toledo, Ohio. And this was on July fifth of 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:35.440 this year, twenty twenty one, and it is believed to 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.560 be a gang shootout. So I know you saw the video, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.839 so you had a great way of recalling the video, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:43.599 so I want to hear. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.119 The first thing I want to point out is something 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.440 that you've already said, and I'm glad you use this 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:54.280 word specifically heroic. Okay, a lot of people's assign the 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:58.000 word hero to the badge by itself. Yeah, as if 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.880 you're a police officer, you're a hero, and that's not 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.480 always the case. Watching this video is very clear from 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.560 the moment that they arrive that they're not just mindlessly 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.400 brave and heroic in the way that they think they 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:17.719 should be like in movies. They are actively doing the 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.560 job we wish they would always do. They are trying 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.919 their best to protect the civilians. They are trying to 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:31.599 their best in a very chaotic place to discern who 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:38.040 the victims or possible casualties or bystanders are and the 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.360 shooter versus the shooters, And there's moments in the video 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.760 where there's complete darkness and muzzle flash and that's it. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.280 And they're running in that direction, moving people out of 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:54.239 the way, rushing people to safety, aggressively trying to serve 0:05:54.320 --> 0:06:01.479 and protect a community literally under fire. The date just 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.360 stood out to me, you said, July fifth, because if 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.760 you're just listening to this audibly, it sounds like the fireworks. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.120 It's that many gunshots that it sounds like a fireworks show, 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:19.840 and these officers are running toward the fireworks, and really, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:26.200 really in a way that has to be even if 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.200 you're really brave, terrifying. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.520 It's terrifying to watch. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.120 And trying their best to make sure that everyone is 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:42.640 safe behind some sort of shelter, running away from. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.480 The danger as they run toward it. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:48.839 As they run toward it, it's really relieving, is a 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:54.599 word that comes to mind. Refreshing. It's what as a kid, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.320 you expect police officer behavior to look like. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:08.279 All right, let me jump in right please, So this 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.560 video it's it's bodycam footage, so I have to talk 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.240 you through it. If you're listening, it's bodycam footage of 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:21.440 one officer. It looks almost like a Blair Witch project footage. Right, 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:27.040 It's unreal. And you know, as you mentioned, Q just 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.920 shot shot bag bag may bang the whole time and 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.000 then people screaming everywhere. And I need you to understand 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.240 that that most of the people that I saw on 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.160 the video that were under fire were black people. Okay, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.280 So that's part of the reason why it's important for 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:50.840 us to have this conversation. These guys run in the direction, 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.000 as Q said, and they're yelling at people, and they're 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.640 doing their best to try to figure out where the 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.280 shooters are or whatever. But it's it's multiple shooters. You 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:04.440 can just tell there's different frequencies of fires from different 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.040 automatic weapons. That's the best way I can describe it. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.360 I'm not a gun person, but firing rates are different, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:16.040 so there's different weapons. I guess being discharged, and you 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.400 can tell that there's firing and then returning fire, right, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.400 And the officers are just running into a field of 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.200 cars and it's like a street with cars on this 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:28.160 side and that side, and they. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.200 Don't knowhood something like that. Maybe your line of sight 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.480 isn't clear. It's not like an open battlefield like a 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.160 military would deal with. This is a neighborhood. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.760 Yeah, and people can hide in different places and you 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.240 don't know where it's coming from. So and then of 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.200 course it's night, so it's it's dark, and you know, 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.720 the people are screaming and they're, oh, no, she shot 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.480 over there, Get behind the car. Uh, don't move, you know, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.120 like the you know, the young. Obviously there's a lot 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.400 of profanity in there because everybody's freaked out and tensions 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.760 are high, and the police are just kind of human 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:04.840 And that's what I want to talk about humans. A 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:09.959 story that really helped frame this radio show, Civic Cipher 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.120 took place when Q and I took a road trip 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.640 in twenty twenty and we were pulled over in Mississippi. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.400 We've talked about this and I get the feeling we're 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.120 gonna have to tell the story quite a few times. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.520 But for those of you who are newer to know 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.920 the audience of Civic Cipher, a quick and dirty version 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.679 of the story is, we got pulled over in Mississippi 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.440 in the middle of the night by two police officers 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:40.920 mining our own. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.440 Business from two different agencies too, right, the sheriff and 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.160 a highway patrol. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.959 We ended up getting pulled out of the car, detained 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.480 on the side of the road, and they brought out 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.800 like the drug sniffing dogs and they did all this 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.720 sort of stuff to us. In my belief and in 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.360 my estimation based on how we look, there was no 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.440 real reason for them to search our car to suspect 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:09.360 that we were inebriated or anything like that. And you know, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.160 we talked to the officers in a calm manner. At 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.200 no point did we lose our composure. It wasn't that 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.600 kind of a party. But they were insisting on finding something, 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.800 and then they made up something and they had an 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.320 excuse to bring out the dog, and the dog supposedly 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.440 alerted them to the fact that the non fact that 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.840 we were just transporting drugs in a brand new vehicle 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.920 that we just bring the dog alerted you to any right, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.000 But they made that their story so that they can 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.240 then go in and search the car subsequently. Now, when 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.800 we originally told that story, one of the things that 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:54.160 we were able to do is identify the difference between 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:59.400 a person who is a police officer and a police 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.640 officer like that. You wake up a police officer, you 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.040 go to sleep a police officer, and that's your whole thing. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.679 You were just so committed to that, not job, but 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.560 that idea, the idea you're always on. You know this 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.000 guy and both of these officers were black, and they 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.680 were doing this to us. So I maintain that we're 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.840 not critical of police because they're often white. We're critical 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.800 of policing as an institution because it often fails. And 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.680 that type of institution, you cannot have an error rate 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.760 really any higher than zero. Same as like airplanes, you 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.720 cannot have an error rate higher than zero. It has 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.040 to be zero if you're dealing with life and death 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.520 and people with the opportunity and the license to execute 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.520 human beings on the street like animals, right, And I 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.440 think that that's fair that there is no acceptable error rate. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.000 There's no such there should be no such thing as 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.760 bad apples, and the nature and the framework of the 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.880 institution is flawed at its core actually when it comes 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:05.800 to interacting with and judging and sentencing black and brown bodies. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.319 With that said, our story, we were able to identify 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.679 one of the officers. I believe he was the sheriff 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.439 was a cool person. He tried to make sure we 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:19.079 were okay. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.720 He tried to make sure we didn't feel like like 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.480 he died. He knew we felt yeah. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:26.679 Right. He approached it. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.840 Like, okay, I see it was just two o'clock in 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:33.880 the morning. I get in Mississippi and this is last summer, 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.640 so this is the height of protest, se dealing with Yeah, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.199 we've just driven through three states of Confederate flags and 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.199 you know Trump signs. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:46.200 Yeah. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.120 This officer approached it like, okay, let me make sure 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.440 that these guys aren't scared to death, because everything about 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.640 the circumstances right now would justifiably lead to them feeling 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:58.080 that way. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.880 Sure, the other officers had no such concern. He wanted 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.040 to find us, to have a find something that we 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.319 were doing wrong, to have a reason to punish us, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.600 and there was nothing there. And the scary part is 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.040 not everyone is as squeaky clean as you and I 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.319 and picture perfect. You and I have never even drank 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.160 alcohol before, right, Never in our lives have we drank alcohol. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.400 So that shows you the path that we leave. Not 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.800 everyone can say that people do live full lives and 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:34.000 enjoy themselves in those ways in other ways. Right. But 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.839 when we originally told that story, we recognize that oftentimes, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.200 if you're looking for something hard enough, you're going to 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.120 find it even if it's not there, which is something 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.160 that I say to sometimes romantic partners if they try 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.280 to go through my phone, you're looking for some You're 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.120 to find it even if it's not there, because your 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.480 brain will make it real. Right. So the same with 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.320 the officer who was an officer. He just was like, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.480 I'm here to enforce the law, so let me enforce it. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.240 How can I enforce the law on these people? How 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:07.880 can I enforce the law on these two young men? 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.880 Whereas the other guy was, he was a man first, 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.240 a living, breathing man who recognized, Okay, this situation requires 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.240 empathy and tact and diplomacy and so forth and so on. 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.080 This is not a high stress situation. I recognize who 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.760 I'm dealing with. I've been able to assess the demeanor 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.200 and the energy and so forth, and I can govern 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.520 myself accordingly. The other guy was dead set on nope, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.080 let's call the dogs. Oh no, the dog smelled and 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.640 smelled something, And I remind you a brand new car 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.760 that we just got, and it was an electric car, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.320 so there's no hybrid or that what it was it was. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.320 It's some kind of Porsche or something like that. So anyway, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.480 this car is brand new, there's no And then then 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.720 this officer, after the whole ordeal takes two hours or 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.160 however long, around the side of the road. All of 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.920 our friends are scared because I'm of course on Facebook 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:04.200 live terrified. Phone dies. No one knows what happened. So 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:07.360 what happens is at the end of that interaction, that 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.640 same officer who was he was a police officer, only 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.320 that guy says somebody might have brushed up against the 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.760 car with a joint in his pocket when you stopped 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.160 at a grocery store in Alabama. And that's and that's 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.960 why the dog smelled it. And that was as much 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.360 of an excuse as he could render for a wasting 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.560 both of our times. He's not fighting real crime, he's 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:35.200 just bothering us. And he like the thoroughness for such 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:39.040 a petty thing. Feels like, yeah, we should probably defund 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.520 the police. There are too many police smell a mill 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.840 of a mill of something of what the human knows 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:54.480 and smell stop anyway. Uh So, yeah, he that that 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.880 interaction helped me to determine and to see firsthand that 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.720 there is a difference between a police officer and a 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.560 person who is a police officer. The person first, right, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.000 And what I saw when I saw this video that 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:17.360 took place in Toledo, Ohio, was a person when it 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.880 was time to be a person. Because there's people all around, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:21.880 and he could be scared of any one of these people. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.360 He could justify me to be scared of all of 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:25.120 them exactly. 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.480 That's what stood out to me. He was not. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.040 From the time he arrived, he'd already made up his mind. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.080 I am trying to say save as many people as post. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.960 Thank you, that's it. That's it that you gotta watch 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.480 the video to see it, and again credit where it's due, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.640 because this doesn't mean that we won't continue to be 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.240 critical of the way policing is done in this country. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:55.280 But when it's done right, we have a responsibility as journalists, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.400 you and I and Swirl our show producer, a responsibility 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.000 to high like that and bring the same energy to 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.800 it right. And so that's what we're doing right now. Now. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.240 The comments section, Now, I came across this video originally 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.280 on Reddit, and uh then we ended up talking about 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:16.880 it in our in our group chat for the show. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.320 And just the heads up because Ramses has mentioned this 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.879 to me before. Only Ramses has seen the comment section. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.200 I only watched the video, right, so I'm very curious 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.679 as to what this comment section looked and read and 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.480 sounded like. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:39.840 So allow me to explain. As you can imagine, there's 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:46.119 a lot of pro police chatter in the comment section. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.040 Don't ever look at a comment section if you're if 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.959 you please don't. It's just the junk food of the internet. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.919 It's just bad for you. But you know, for this 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.679 type of show, it helps to kind of have a 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.200 sense of the pulse of you know, where people are online, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.320 people who are a little bit admittedly a little bit 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.960 more brave and push their tongue a little bit a 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.040 bit more brave. There you go, thank you. So so 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.000 I'm in there swimming around trying to put this together 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.000 because you know, the description of the video doesn't really 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.040 say much. It just says, you know, two cops charging 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.560 to a war zone in Toledo, Ohio. I didn't know 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:26.080 that it was. It appeared to be an event where 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.400 most of the people that were visiting or hanging out 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.160 at the event were black. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.840 So for people who are not familiar with Toledo, Ohio, 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.000 it's the northern part of Ohio, about an eighty mile 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.119 trip south of Detroit, Michigan. The automotive industry brought a 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.080 lot of black people to that area because there was 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.560 industry there and employment after you know, slavery was not 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.560 just abolished, but when people finally stopped the practice of it. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.600 So Toledo does have a nice concentration of black people. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.720 Sure, sure, So that's all we can. So the comment 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:05.720 section now illuminates just kind of the back and forth 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:07.680 and what's going on. What do people have to say 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.880 about this? Right? And obviously I'm not gonna read every 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.119 comment on Reddit, but got a good sampling and some 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.600 there were some people in there that were saying, you know, 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.800 these were the same people shouting defund the police, so 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.560 you know, why would the police come and defend them? 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.240 Or this is what would you do if you defunded 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:26.640 the police? You know, So that was a big deal 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:31.840 in there. There was another one that says, you know, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.280 there's this is what this is what our cops do. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.560 This is what our police do. And you know, whenever 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:45.639 you have like a few bad apples, it it cast 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.399 a shadow on what real policing is supposed to be 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.879 and what real policing looks like, and so forth and 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.520 so on. And some of them were sensible if that's 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.800 your worldview, there's sensible things to say, you know, sensible 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.960 comments to make. And then some of them obviously was 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.120 oh yeah, I'm gonna get this off as like we're 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.520 a sparring match between you know, the other side. I'll 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.200 call it our side posting videos of police murdering people 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.120 for no reason. Right, So here's so them saying, here's 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.600 a good example of what police do. And then on 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.400 our side we put here's why we need to change 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:19.680 the way. 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.159 The hilarious irony of that is that that's what we 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.640 would post as an example of good policing too. Yeah, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:32.199 we're talking about here. We want good policing too. So 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.879 if that's your response to us, it's not. It shouldn't be, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.240 even though you think it is. It's not adversarial to us. 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.160 We like seeing it done right, right. Hire those guys 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.400 to train a lot of their colleagues. It would help tremendously. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:58.840 And so that comments section really made me pause because 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:04.360 I do recognize that the way that policing looks too 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:10.720 to groups in the United States difference to America's is 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.919 very different, looks very different. But that example looks like 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.440 what it should look like across the board. Yes, a 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.400 high stress situation. That really is a high stress situation, right, 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.639 and the people with fire, the people with training show up, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.040 So hang on, hang on, watch this before we get there. 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.160 So I do want to talk about that. But if 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:39.360 I remember Falando Castile, Yes, officer, I do have a gun. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.000 I have a permit for my gun. Ban ban ban bank. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.280 That is not a high stress situation, right, the officer 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:51.480 freaked out, right, and probably every other example that I 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.480 could possibly name, we'd be here for days. Yeah, even 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.680 if even and of course we understand that you don't 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.040 need a gun, you don't need to be threatening, you 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.240 don't even need to be away were conscious in order 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.440 to have your life ended by police officers. We've seen 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.320 that time and again, and it's all under You know 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.159 that they do this, and they are never convicted or 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:16.680 I guess, rarely convicted, are rarely charged, almost never convicted, 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:17.080 how about that? 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:22.760 And even when convicted, the sentencing is always it's pretty like. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:27.080 Yeah, so, And the reason for that is that they're 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.960 able to say things like, oh, it's a high stress 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.639 job and it's you know, people don't know what we 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.280 go through, and it's like, no, we saw what you 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.800 went through. This person did not have a gun pointed raised, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.480 was not operating the gun, it was not firing bullets. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.000 It was not a high stress situation. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.360 And we've seen you deal with people that don't look 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.159 like us in high stress situations a lot differently to 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.480 a lot more empathy, case and care and patience and 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:53.520 the execution of the training that you were saving there 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:58.560 it is right there. So when we actually see a 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:00.080 high stress situation. 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.080 And we don't see the police freaking out, I mean 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.480 they were freaking out because obviously you're human being that 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:07.960 flighter fight or flight kicks in and you're just that 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.800 adrenaline is pumping, but high as about as high stress 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.040 as you can get. There's active gunfire. You can hear 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.000 it as they're running, okay, and then they're not like 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.560 every direction too, It's not like it seems like it's 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.960 coming from right there. It sounds and looks like it's 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:28.640 coming from everywhere right and So what what I'm able 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.159 to see and what I'm able to take from that 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:40.440 is that there's definitely a way to do this, you know, 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.960 in in New Zealand. I got friends in New Zealand, 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.960 so you know, I've been able to kind of see 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.840 what they do over there in Serato because I'm a 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.160 DJ at the Serrato factory and then at the sound 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:59.680 Switch factory. Shout out to Serrado and SoundSwitch. Those guys 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.000 keep their guns in the trunk of their car. They 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.680 don't take it out unless they need it. They just 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.280 operate that way. They don't operate as though they're going 0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.920 to kill somebody or need to kill somebody right there, 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.800 operate as we need to protect and serve and if 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:20.200 things escalate beyond what our normal duties police officers, over 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:21.760 the police officer. That's what I mean. Not my friends. 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.680 My friends are DJs, but long and the short of 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.000 it is, there's different ways to think about policing, and 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.560 the police budgets are definitely bloated, and there's ways to 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:35.000 reinvest that money into community programs that prevent things like 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:37.320 this from happening in the first place. And there's a 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:41.960 bunch of different ideas and approaches to it, and hopefully 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.240 at the end of this long dialogue that we're having, 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.480 we'll be able to see some police reform. But in 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.240 the meantime, credit where it's due. Shout out to those 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:53.720 police in Toledo, Ohio. I'll say it, we salute you. 0:24:54.520 --> 0:25:06.040 And now we just striking from head borders behind him. 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.239 And if you're just tuning into CIVI excipher, I'm your host, 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:14.960 ramses Jock will call me q Ward and you got 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.040 We've still got a lot of important stuff to talk 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.880 about on the show today, not the least of which 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:25.720 is Al Sharpton and Ben Crump taking on their first 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:31.280 case involving a white person who was killed by the police. 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.360 So if you listen to the first half of the show, 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:39.120 you recognize that we credit where's do had to salute 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.440 the police for uh an example that we came across 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.680 in Toledo, Ohio. But you know, and later on in 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:51.040 the show, we're going to discuss au a situation with 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.240 you know, police taking life, this time of a white child, 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.080 and you know what it means and why Al Sharpten 0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.240 and Ben Crumper jumping on that just felt like it's 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:01.840 up our Alleien. You need to know about it. And 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.119 also we have the Way Black History Fact with DJ 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.600 Swirl that's coming up as well. But for now, I 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:13.159 want to talk about our Bah Bah section that stands 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:17.399 for become a better ally and today we're highlighting a 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.560 young woman by the name of Page I hope I 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:28.680 say that's right. Page Buchers. Yeah, awesome person, you know, 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.160 and I do want to say that there's a lot 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.399 of examples that we could have used. You know, I 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.879 really wanted to talk about what happened in England and 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.560 the coaching that came to the defense of the black 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.199 players when they were like, you know, all the racists 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.480 came out to say whatever and whatever, and the coaching 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:47.800 staff and the prince even came up and spoke up. 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.120 But that's not in America, and this is an American 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:51.880 based show, so we got to talk about what's going 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.199 on here. But anyway, so Paige Bukers, I hope I'm 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:59.399 saying your name right. She is a white woman and 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.800 she basketball if I'm not mistaken them, she gave a 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:08.000 speech for what's the name of the awardship. Yes, s piece, 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:10.800 I'm not a sports guy, I'm my music guy. Q 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:16.160 know sports, So thanks for that cute. Anyway, she gets 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.480 up and gives this speech and she says thank you 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.360 and thank God, and she really sounded like she grew 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:23.840 up playing basketball. 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.240 She got a little bit of And just to be 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.600 clear for you guys that don't know, she's one of 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.480 the best basketball players on the planet. Oh yeah, she's 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.920 a star at Yukon, which is a basketball factory, and 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.800 she's one of the best to ever come through there. 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.680 If you do follow sports, especially women's basketball, you know 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:43.960 that being the best at a place like Yukon is 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:44.760 a really big deal. 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.720 Yeah. I wouldn't know that, but she is a big 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.480 deal for us because she is a great example on 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.320 how you can become a better Outly. She used her 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.840 time in the spotlight to say she is a white 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.840 woman in a black leed sport. That was one of 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:04.000 the first things that she said. She admitted that black 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:08.880 athletes don't get the credit they deserve, and black women, 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.119 specifically black women, that's what I meant to say, sir, 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.680 And she said that their value to the sport is undeniable. 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.920 That was a direct quote from her, and I just 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.920 thought that was very special. She goes on to say 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.480 something like she was nervous the whole time too. But 0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.159 she goes on to say something like eighty percent of 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:34.040 the award winners from the WNBA or whatever were black women, 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:39.000 but it was the white athletes that received like fifty 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.280 percent of the media coverage. And I just felt like 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.720 that was her using her time in the spotlight to 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:49.920 highlight her privilege and the fact that the media coverage 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.800 and the sport and you know, all the things that 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.840 go along with it don't really treat black athletes fair. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:00.000 It's just a great example of how to use your privilege, 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.959 which if you have any, to bring a little bit 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.320 of balance and fairness and equity to the to the world, 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:06.520 to the universe in your own small way. And so 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:11.920 in this moment, we want to salute her. Now let's 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.960 talk about Al Sharpton and Ben Crump. So lawyers. You 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.400 know Reverend Al Sharpton, but Big Crump is more for 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:23.560 being a lawyer. So again they're taking their first case 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.959 involving a white person killed by the police. This person's name, 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:31.800 it was it's very sad. Was as soon as you 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:37.240 said that word, I kind of yeah, yeah, he was 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.520 a teenager, so I you know, Q gets mad at 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.240 me when I call teenagers babies, But I have a 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.240 teenager and that's my baby. So his name was Hunter Britain, 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.520 and he was killed like three am outside of a 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:59.520 repair shop in Arkansas, unarmed, of course. And I'll be honest, 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.920 I don't know his story, you know. I was introduced 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.960 to this via a CNN article and then some other research, 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.920 So I'm not sure exactly how a Hunter's you know, 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.760 interaction with the police went. But I'd imagine if Al 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.480 Sharpton and you know, Ben Crump are taking on this 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:22.080 this story, uh, or this case rather that uh. The 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.760 the assumption is that he did not deserve to lose 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.680 his life that day, and the fact that he was 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.800 unarmed think further suggests that that was not the way 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.160 his life should have ended in his teens, out in 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.720 front of a gas station for no real reason or 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.800 not really posing a real threat. And that's that's what 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:44.520 I imagine. Anyway, if you know anything about Al Sharpton 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.040 and and Ben Crump, you do recognize that they are 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:53.080 sort of advocates for black people when there is nowhere 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.720 else to turn. You know, that's kind of the highest 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:58.760 that you can get in terms of visibility and representation 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.320 and people on your side and you know, having some 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:11.160 sort of fortifying optics on your case or situation or whatever. 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:16.560 So for them to take on this situation with this 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:24.560 white child feels white young man feels a little unusual, 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.720 and it is a little unusual. But there's a reason 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.840 for that. And I want to get your thoughts on 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:36.400 a queue. So there's one quote. It says that I 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.920 feel it's one of the most significant cases in the 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:45.120 fight to push Congress for landmark police reform and uh 0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.280 and just so you know, there's no footage because the 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:50.480 officer didn't turn off their turn on their body camera 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.000 when they got out to which should be illegal, right, 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.960 And so I think that what they're trying to do 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:04.760 here is use this as an example to move Congress 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.880 to you know, enact some laws to hold police accountable 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.080 when they don't do things like this, because at that point, 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.000 you know, dead men tell no tales, and this this 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.920 guy's gone hunter Britain, we're talking about him in the 0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.920 past tense. The officer who executed him on the spot 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.800 is perhaps very much alive in getting paid and so 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.760 they believe that this could push lawmakers to pass the 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:38.600 quote George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, which has stalled 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:43.320 in the Senate right now. There's another quote here I 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.000 want to get off real quick. It says that is 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.080 going to be looked at differently because he wasn't a 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:51.800 child of color. The police are supposed to protect them, 0:32:52.080 --> 0:33:00.680 and that's been Crumb saying that. And there's another quip 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.760 a little bit later in the article where it says 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.520 something about them wanting to pass what's called Hunter's Law, 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:10.480 which feels like, I don't know if that's something that 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:15.280 they want to rename the George Floyd Initiative as Hunter's Law, 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.040 like that might be a little unfair, but this is 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:23.200 kind of what we have here. And so first off, 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.440 your your thoughts, your initial reaction to this. 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:27.760 So I first want to say I have no issue 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.880 with referring to teenagers as children. As someone who recently 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.920 adopted and attempting to help raise one child is the 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.080 best way to describe. The only reason I that I 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.160 brought attention to it before is because I didn't want 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.160 it to seem like you and I were being unfair 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:48.480 when trying to garner some type of undue sympathy for 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.720 some teenagers in another story by calling them babies. 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.520 Yeah, so that was just we got we got big 0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:56.719 daddy energy over here. 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.640 I told you when you told me about this story 0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:07.000 that my initial reaction was why, why is it a story? 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:11.399 Why are they doing it? And as you were introducing 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:15.440 the topic today, I had a bit of an epiphany. 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.319 I don't know this to be true because I don't 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.040 know any of the people involved, but I'd like to 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:29.760 believe that, just like we tried to express last summer, 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.959 we don't take to the streets to say kill more 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:35.800 white people. 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.239 We take to the streets to say, stop. 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:48.040 Killing all of us, right, except all of the examples 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.359 that we're given, all of the cases that we see, 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.680 all of the bodies that are being buried look like us. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:58.800 So we have to call attention to the suffering. The 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:00.640 most well said. 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.480 So we say black lives matter as not a way 0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:08.360 to disqualify or minimalize or marginalize the importance or value 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.480 of other people's lives. It's like, hey, can we have 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:16.120 any dignity at all? It's our shout and our request. 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:27.000 So any citizen unjustfully killed by law enforcement should be 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:31.640 represented and should have someone stand up and fight for them, 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.160 just like you would me or Ramses or our children. 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:42.799 The civil rights movement, it leaned heavy toward black people 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:47.279 because black people were the group suffering the lack of 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.840 civil rights. But we're not saying civil rights for only 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.160 black people. We are not saying justice for only black people. 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:56.799 It's like us too. 0:35:57.680 --> 0:36:01.279 Maybe if you guys would consider it, because clearly that's 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.919 not what you want to do, it's not what you're 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.879 currently doing. So the big question marks that I had 0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.560 when I first read the headline and when I first 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:15.040 saw the story literally start to melt away as I'm 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:20.040 listening to you talk about it, because Hunter is not 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:24.719 less important than Grayson or Christian or Adanaya. 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.439 That's fair, So I can't. 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:30.359 I guess I just told you a little bit about 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.520 my initial reaction, but more about how I feel now 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.520 as I'm listening to this. 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:36.600 Someone's child. 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.120 Should have made it home that night, should have woke 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.080 up that next morning, and should still be here now, 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.880 and they're not. And we don't have all the details, 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.600 but if this man was unarmed, he should have been 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.920 shown the same Grayson should have been provided with the 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.600 same opportunity for life and even incarceration if he committed 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.920 some crime, but it shouldn't have been but it shouldn't 0:36:59.920 --> 0:37:03.799 have been met with death, especially, like I said, when 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:08.400 we've seen that the measures and the lengths that they 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.960 can go to make sure that they apprehend someone safely, 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:16.080 and situations that are far more stressful, in tense and 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.920 scary even than this, we've seen it, so we know 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.640 that the training is being provided and that it's possible. 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.319 We just wish this could be a more uniformed thing 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.040 and that we don't have to keep having conversations like 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.520 this because it's getting out of control. 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:40.319 So there's an interesting thing here. I think that by 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:46.200 them wanting to get behind this case, I think that 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:52.239 it illuminates the Forgive me if this sounds dramatic, I 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:56.680 know that sometimes the nature of the show causes things 0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.280 to sound that way, and this might be another example 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:10.840 of that. But these people, Al Sharpton Bidcrumb are using 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:17.320 this example of a police killing with a white victim 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.719 as opposed to a black victim because it has a 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.719 better chance of moving the hearts and the minds of 0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:30.239 the people preventing the George Floyd Policing Reform Act. I 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:35.560 believe it's called justice and Policing Act from you know, 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:41.400 actually making its way through the Senate. If the victim 0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:44.400 is white, then folks will have to be able to empathize. 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:46.560 And I think that what it does is it illuminates 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:52.440 the fact that black bodies, you know, that the people's impulse, 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.279 the media's impulse, and then people that live in their homes, well, 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.080 what did he do wrong? Right? 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:58.120 What w W? 0:38:58.440 --> 0:38:59.759 He hadn't have done something? What was he doing? 0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:00.160 You know? 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.759 And they try to blame the person who has lost 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:07.440 their life. And as we mentioned, you know, we live 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.040 in a society where we're not savages, we're not monsters 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.279 and beasts. And this isn't you know, this is a 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:17.320 modern society. We are able to take people who make mistakes, 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:21.160 rehabilitate them and get them back into society. Death is 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.960 This is not a what is that called the A 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:27.040 B B Big brother state or whatever, I forget the 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:28.680 name of it, but basically, when they kill you when 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.120 you do anything wrong, you know, nanny state or some 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:38.920 like some kind of state. This is not that. This 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.920 is a society where people can exercise their freedoms if 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.959 they go a little bit too far. We have checks 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.879 and balances in place for better or worse, that they're 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:53.600 designed to keep everything operational. The thing is, we see 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:56.880 time and again that at the point where policing meets 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:02.399 the actual citizens, that there are too often this type 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.080 of mistake, which, as I mentioned earlier on the show, 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.600 really needs a zero percent error rate. If you pull 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.279 out your gun, you better be one thousand percent sure 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.640 because somebody is going to lose their life. And there's 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.160 cavalier attitude that people tend to have when it comes 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:28.000 to death and black bodies. Often times, we've seen time 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.640 and again that it doesn't move the needle, certainly doesn't 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:33.080 move the needle in the way that we want. It 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:34.759 might move the needle a little bit here and there. 0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.680 Every decade or two we got a tiny step forward. 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.000 But I think that with Al Sharpton and Ben Crump, 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:44.200 what they're banking on is the fact that, Okay, if 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.040 this child looks like the people we're trying to appeal to, 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:51.520 if this child looks had a quote promising future as 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.279 opposed to the one time he shoplifted when he was 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:56.440 twelve years old, and I'll see he was gonna grow 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:57.520 up and be a crimp, you know what I mean? 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:02.120 How they did with Ferguson. I forget his name, Ferguson, Missouri. 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.080 What's his name? Jesus, It'll come to me. But you 0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.920 know what I'm talking about where you know, if it's 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.239 a black child, then it's well, what did he do 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:16.680 wrong in the past that wasn't even happening on that day? 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:17.520 You know? 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:24.200 So what was his name? Helped me out? Michael Brown? 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:26.560 Michael Brown, Jesus. I don't know how I forgot that, 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:32.040 but yes, Michael Brown, and his name deserved to be said. 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.719 I'm just as you know, there's a lot of names 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:35.200 to remember. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.239 Sadly, there are a lot of names and a lot 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:45.040 of names in that part of the country Missouri, Minnesota, Michigan, 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:52.480 Chicago and other places. There's some sad truths to what 0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.759 you just said, Okay, and then there's some kind of 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:56.719 truths to. 0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:57.600 What you just said. 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.880 The kind of truth sad absolute truth truth is that 0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:09.880 Hunter or any other white child being gunned down by 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:15.600 police will trigger a different emotional response from the from 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.879 I wouldn't say the majority, but the people in those 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:30.160 positions yere. However, what our lack of motivation to make 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:35.680 changes in our gun policies have shown me listen, is 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:40.279 that even when the victims are white, they don't move. 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:45.040 And it's because in most of these cases, the perpetrators 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:52.600 are also white, and our capitalist country gotta seldom guns, 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.120 has to sell whatever it is, not just guns. 0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.759 But you know, in the name of. 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:08.000 Curing our union's capital, they've shown they're willing to bend 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:12.759 on just about anything. I thought when schools full of 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:17.400 white children started getting shot up and white politicians started 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:23.520 getting shot that there would be some immediate gun reform. 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.880 There was not, because someone's bottom line would have been 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:29.839 affected too much. 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:34.600 Right, So you have this grand idea. 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:40.480 Of white versus black in a country that was without questioning, 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:46.480 people absolutely found it and built on the back of 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:52.600 the racism train. That has also shown me that the 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.719 rich will use that to manipulate the poor. So you 0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:05.600 have dual ideology geez growing from the same seed. Right, 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.799 Convince poor white people that poor black and brown people 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:13.200 are their enemies, and they will never notice that you're 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:19.520 robbing them too. Give them someone to look down upon 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:24.759 to blame their problems on, Give them an adversary, and 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.800 they will vote for the man who's literally taking food 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.240 out of their children's mouths. 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:31.880 The system is. 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:39.400 Masterful and cruel and disgusting at the same time. So 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.759 it is it's interesting to listen to it because if 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:48.120 they renamed it that it probably would grow more legs. Right, 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:52.160 But as long as you have hundredons and lobbyists and 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:56.480 people who stand to profit from the system being exactly 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.120 the way it is, they're going to be very, very 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:04.399 slow to make any grand changes. You know, those same 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:07.919 people help them get into the seat that they're sitting 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.600 in the office here to vote against them. 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:13.719 You know, not to backtrack here, but you know, in 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.080 the first half of the show, if you were tuned in, 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:21.800 we discussed a gang shootout in Ohio and police officers 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:28.719 rushed in and they were very brave, and you know, 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.279 we did our best to give credit where it was due. 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.680 That's what hero. We don't believe that policing in its 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:38.879 current version works well enough for everybody enough of the time, 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.880 but that was one example where it looked like what 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:43.719 we thought it should look like, and so we wanted 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.960 to give them credit. But I mentioned earlier in the 0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.279 show about the comments section of the post where I 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.120 saw that video. I'm glad you brought this back up, 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:57.240 and one of the comments was is the solution more guns? 0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.920 And it's it's interesting because that comment was there because 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.600 what you have is a gang shootout and then police 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:07.320 rushing into it with guns and people fleeing the scene 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:08.520 like it's a mass shooting. 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:09.080 You know. 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.040 Obviously mass shooting is well, I guess it does qualify, 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:16.480 but the nature of this mass shooting is very different 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:19.480 because it's a little bit more targeted and precise versus 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.799 the mass shootings that we know that come to mind, 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.879 which is just kind of indiscriminate executing of human beings 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.680 at a grocery store or whatever. But it's funny that 0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.759 someone in the comments section pose the question is the 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.080 solution more guns, and the NRA and the lobbyists and 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:38.120 so forth might have you believe that, But I can 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.640 assure you with great certainty. Guns can not protect you. 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:43.680 Guns allow you to kill people. What protects you as 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:47.560 a bulletproof vests, and police don't even protect you. Police 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.759 show up after you've already been shot, you know, or 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.960 the crime has already happened. It's a reactive effort, and 0:46:54.080 --> 0:47:01.440 so again reinvesting and rethinking about how do we insulate 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.880 ourselves from the problems that we have right now, and 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.880 how do we address problems before they become problems is 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:11.680 at the core of the defund the police narrative, which 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:14.839 admittedly is a bad title. I don't think it'll ever 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.440 really fly in some households, but the idea of it 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:19.120 is brilliant. 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.680 Sends people from hearing that brilliant idea. As you just said, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.000 the idea makes all the sense in the world. Some 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:29.360 people intentionally won't let themselves get by the catchphrase. 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:32.520 Those are the people with the license plate, the racist, 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:37.320 by the way, license plate that has the flag and 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:41.080 then the blue stripe. And so a second ago, I said, 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.480 I was glad you brought the comment section back up, 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.120 And the reason why is because what you just said. 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:51.320 Someone please explain to me what that flag is supposed 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.560 to mean. It's just every time I see it, my 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.160 stomach I have an actual reaction to it. And I've 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.520 started to see people that I know that looked like 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:07.719 us flying or wearing or posting that flag. I was 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.959 gonna say that, and I'm like, Okay, is there something 0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.399 that they don't know? Or am I did I make 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.600 this something that it's not. Here's what it is. So 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.360 someone please help me. My belief before we get. 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.560 To if someone knows better than us, someone is an expert, 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.560 someone who helped design that social media call us. 0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:28.120 Please let me know. I'm at rams job and at 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.239 I am qboard. You can you can hit both of 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:36.000 us or at uh is DJ's world. At DJ's world, okay, 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.120 you can hit any of us. That's our producer. Anyway. 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:46.600 My belief is that that flag is racist. It was 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:50.080 designed as a response to people saying the police are 0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.880 killing us. And then there's a group of people who say, no, no, 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:55.759 we got to defend the police instead of defund we gotta, 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:59.560 you know, because that's the blue instead of listening to 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:03.440 their countrymen and their brothers and sisters of African descent 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.799 and empathizing these people. Says no, no, no, we don't 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:08.839 you know. No, it's okay, please keep killing them. We'll 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:10.840 support you, you know. And I know that's not the 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.160 intention of people that buy the flags and fly the 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.680 flags and so forth. But the origin of that flag 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:20.160 came about as a direct response to people saying black 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.680 lives matter and protesting police injustices. It came about as 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.000 a result of Kaepernick neeeling. It didn't exist before them. 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.040 There was never a flag, which, by the way, is 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.960 an abomination of the actual US flag. And if you 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:34.480 look at the United States Flag Code, that is that 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.640 is how you disrespect the flag by changing the colors. 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.359 You can look at it yourself. Kaepernick never disrespected the flag. 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:44.600 You do when you fly that weird, gray blue abomination 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.520 of what the United States flag is supposed to be. 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.640 You're not supposed to do that. That's facts. 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:50.560 I've seen a couple of people that I went to 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.680 college with in the last month or so, one who 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.839 is a police officer wearing that flag around his face 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:04.040 as a mask, and another supporting a promotion that her husband, 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:07.640 who was a police officer, just got and the the 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.320 first picture of her post was that flag. 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.759 And I was very caught off guard by. 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:15.560 It, kind of knocked off my square by it, because 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:20.040 black people wearing and flying and posting and hanging that 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:21.920 flag is just very strange to me. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.480 Listen to this. There's a lot of people that perhaps 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.520 in their heart of hearts, mean well. I'm sure there's 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.120 a lot of people that fly the Confederate flag or 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.880 fluid and they mean well, and they in their heart. 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.920 They definitely still fly that flag, but they didn't. 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:40.759 Know what it actually meant, what it was born out of, 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.759 what it you know, and there to them, it's just like, well, 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.160 I just you know, my cousin is a police officer, 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:47.360 and I don't want to see them get hurt or 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:49.920 my brothers, you know what I mean. That's what. But 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:52.319 I'm here to tell you that for all of your 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.760 black brothers and sisters, that is a slap in the face. 0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.719 That is that is a way to challenge us saying 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.440 that black lives matter. It's very hurtful and very distrest fretful. 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.120 And if you look at the United States flag, called 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:06.480 your disrespecting the flag. That's all I gotta say about that. Swirl. 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.280 Let's talk about some way black history. 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.760 And I want. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.919 Really quick point to Rams's point. 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:27.400 What Crump and Sharp Dinner trying to do is the 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.960 same thing as the opposite of the War on drugs. 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:32.400 Yeah, the war on drugs. 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.680 The response to that was one way, and then as 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:38.160 soon as it became the opioid epidemic and the energy 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:41.680 shifted and the needle move to Q's point, Sandy Hook 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:46.879 in January sixth, those are two things that you think 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:51.960 would be cut in dry issues, not the case. And 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:54.839 also what's worse defund the police or the thin blue 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.880 line hm which one is helping move the needle in 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:05.040 the positive direction? Anyway, Today's way black history fact. I'm 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.880 glad that I did this because I did this on 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.120 the fly, because we didn't really do. 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:09.520 This on this day. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.200 In twenty thirteen, the hashtag black Lives Matter first appeared, 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.240 sparking a movement wow Outraged and saddened after the acquittal 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.600 of George Zimmerman, the Florida man who killed the black 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:25.080 teenager in twenty twelve, Oakland, California resident Alicia Garza posts 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.400 a message on Facebook on July thirteenth, twenty thirteen. Her 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.880 post contains the phrase black Lives Matter, which soon becomes 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.400 a rallying cry and a movement throughout the United States 0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:37.480 and around the world. Garza said she felt a deep 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:41.080 sense of grief after Zimmerman was acquitted. She was further 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.719 saddened to note that many people appeared to blend into 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.840 a victim Trayvon Martin and not the disease of racism. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:52.720 Patrese Cullers, a Los Angeles community organizer and friend of Garza, 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.400 read her post and replied with the first instance of 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.759 hashtag black Lives Matter. The phrase and the hashtag were 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:03.200 then quickly adopted by grassroofs activists and protests all across 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.840 the country, particularly after the subsequent killings of, as you 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.120 discussed earlier, Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and a number of 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.000 other African Americans at the hands of police officers or 0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:16.560 would be vigilantes like Zimmerman. After the May twenty twenty 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:20.239 killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, at least a nationwide 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:23.560 protest movement against police brutality and racism. Support for the 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.600 Black Lives Matter movement increased by a twenty eight point 0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.520 margin in two weeks, almost as much as it had 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.479 in the preceding two years, according to The New York Times, 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.239 perhaps more than any other phrase since black power, black 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:39.080 lives Matter became a singular rallying cry for the American 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.320 and global racial justice movements. 0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:49.960 Wow, now, synergy, I knew that. A lot of you 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.920 might not have known that, but I knew that. And 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:56.560 the reason I knew that is because I won't say who, 0:53:56.960 --> 0:54:02.120 but one of those women is very close with my 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:08.880 like had like like adopted mom sort of figure, and 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.800 really she's my teacher. I like calling her my teacher 0:54:11.920 --> 0:54:15.719 because she literally was my teacher. Doctor Camilla Westenberg, who's 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:19.080 been on the show a few times and certainly helps 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:23.279 us when it comes to consulting and informing sort of 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.560 us with topics things like that, and so I was 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:29.719 kind of right there with her as she was kind 0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:33.680 of helping bring that to where we live, which is 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:46.160 in Arizona, and recognized that initially it was something that 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:48.640 really felt empowering. It didn't feel like we were taking 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.960 sides in a war. There was no opposition early on, 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.920 you know, there was no all lives matter in the 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:59.879 early days of you know, the BLM movement, if you will, again, 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.919 it came about as a way to challenge like there's 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:06.600 people who the world makes sense to them when black 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:10.520 people are suffering, that's the only way and they can't 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:14.719 see and everything that happens is black folks is own doing, 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:19.200 and even black people are You have instances of black 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:22.719 people succumbing to this way of thinking because you know, 0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:28.000 as we mentioned, there's institutions that are even more powerful 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:31.680 than the human beings that uphold the institutions. Right, It's 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:36.680 like indoctrination, right, So you know, I'm glad that we 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:40.319 took the time to talk about that. I do want 0:55:40.360 --> 0:55:43.560 to if you're listening to us. First off, we appreciate 0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.840 you listening to us every week. And we know that 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.520 there's so many things that we're not talking about. There's 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.680 things that come across your tie line, there's things that 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:52.839 come across our time. Lie so many things we can't 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.680 talk about. One of the things that I do want 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.080 to take a moment to do, and we'll have to 0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:02.480 do it next week, is we want to take the 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:08.440 time to honor our Native brothers and sisters and the 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:14.200 traumas that they have had to relive in reading the 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:18.480 articles about the the bodies of children being unearthed at 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:22.440 these schools and so forth. And and in Arizona, there 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:26.440 is a a whole street, a major street in Arizona 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:29.200 for those who don't live here, it's called Indian School Road. 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:33.000 And on Indian School Road there is an actual Indian 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.680 school on Central Avenue. It was also right in the 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:40.200 heart of the city. And there's a lot of history 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:43.320 there with Native folks, a lot of really troubling history 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:45.520 that those folks went through. And so I do wanna 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.239 let folks know that there's that and other things that 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.239 we miss that we will try to incorporate in in 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:54.000 future shows. But you know, as Wirl put it, it's 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.839 timely that we discussed the origins of Black Lives Matter, 0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.520 and you know, we had a ba ba a example. 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:03.440 But if I have a few more moments of your 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.200 time here, it looks like I do. I do want 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:11.680 to say that you are the biggest weapon in the 0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:18.840 war on inequality and white supremacy and social injustice and 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:23.040 political injustice. You the listener you are. If you are 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.800 a black person, your voice carries in circles that perhaps 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.560 white voices don't. If you're a white person, Hispanic person, 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.840 your voice carries in circles in your home and your 0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:35.800 social circle and so forth. And this show exists to 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:41.160 empower black voices and empower black allies, and both of 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:42.880 those things are important for us to all get to 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.600 where we're going. And you know, I'm glad that this 0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:47.640 was our way black history fact and I wanted to 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:52.560 leave you with that. So yeah, and I think that's 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:55.480 pretty much where we're going to leave it today. So 0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:58.560 once again, thanks for tuning in the civic scipher. 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