Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Sipher. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: ramses Jah. Ramses calls me q.
Speaker 2: Yes indeed for people at the club and other venues,
Speaker 2: call me q ward and give people put a DJ
Speaker 2: on in front of that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what I go by, yes indeed, and
Speaker 1: back again to talk about what's going on in the world,
Speaker 1: goings on in Black America. Yes, not just Black America, America,
Speaker 1: black existence and that that part. But a great show
Speaker 1: this week. This week we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: some you know, admittedly the show is heavy on any occasions,
Speaker 1: but this week we're going to talk about some heavy things,
Speaker 1: but some some things that we don't normally get to
Speaker 1: talk about. One such thing is we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about story where some policing is done in a very
Speaker 1: heroic the manner. And on this show, you know, very
Speaker 1: critical of the way policing is done in this country,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to black and brown bodies. But
Speaker 1: we have a story. We were able to watch the
Speaker 1: video and of course we'll talk to it, but a
Speaker 1: great story of an example of police being done right
Speaker 1: and really want to highlight the difficulties of the job
Speaker 1: and the heroic nature of at least these police officers,
Speaker 1: you know, doing what they did, So I'm really happy
Speaker 1: to be able to highlight that story. We're also going
Speaker 1: to spend some time talking about Al Sharpton taking on
Speaker 1: a case of a white victim, which is new that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. And of course we have our
Speaker 1: bah bah. We have a good one for you this week,
Speaker 1: and right now I think we should spend some time
Speaker 1: talking about some ebony excellence that sound good to you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all I do is win no matter. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: then let's get to it. The name Zaiela avant Garde
Speaker 1: mean anything to us you.
Speaker 2: First of all, this queen's last name is a rock
Speaker 2: gard which would make you stop even if you had
Speaker 2: no idea why you were reading her name. If you
Speaker 2: saw it, you'd have to pause to just look further
Speaker 2: into that our first black National spelling be champion, indeed,
Speaker 2: which would be enough by itself.
Speaker 1: And she's fourteen.
Speaker 2: She just also happens to be one of the best
Speaker 2: people on earth to dribble a basketball that too, and
Speaker 2: not just dribble of basketball.
Speaker 1: If you can google.
Speaker 2: Her and check out her highlights, she's really good at
Speaker 2: playing basketball in general, and juggling and everything with a basket.
Speaker 1: She's incredible. You can see the way her brain works
Speaker 1: differently in the way that she handles the juggling and
Speaker 1: the basketball and so forth. It's just you can see
Speaker 1: that her mind is just on a different level.
Speaker 2: There's likely nothing that she wants to be good at
Speaker 2: that she's not. Yeah, exactly, that's what I gather from
Speaker 2: watching her.
Speaker 1: There's something I don't know why it comes to mind
Speaker 1: right now, but something about a world record or something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got multiple Guinness Okay, so that was record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I love taking a moment to highlight
Speaker 1: some ebony excellence. So necessary, Yeah, exactly, And so zayla
Speaker 1: avant Garde for for this week on Civic Cipher. You know,
Speaker 1: we we salute you. You know, please keep shining, baby girl.
Speaker 1: We love to see it.
Speaker 2: We might salute her again in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: We might have to man and again. Za E la
Speaker 1: avant Garde, z A I l a avant Garde. If
Speaker 1: you want to check her out. She's got tons of
Speaker 1: videos and all that sort of stuff. Just an inspirational
Speaker 1: human being and a black human being and that's special
Speaker 1: around here. And so yeah, I wanted to take a
Speaker 1: moment to highlight that.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: Really excited. I'm excited is kind of not really the
Speaker 1: best word, but really, what's the word? I'm thinking? Maybe
Speaker 1: interested in talking about our first topic this week, which
Speaker 1: is a video that came our way that takes place
Speaker 1: in Toledo, Ohio. And this was on July fifth of
Speaker 1: this year, twenty twenty one, and it is believed to
Speaker 1: be a gang shootout. So I know you saw the video,
Speaker 1: so you had a great way of recalling the video,
Speaker 1: so I want to hear.
Speaker 2: The first thing I want to point out is something
Speaker 2: that you've already said, and I'm glad you use this
Speaker 2: word specifically heroic. Okay, a lot of people's assign the
Speaker 2: word hero to the badge by itself. Yeah, as if
Speaker 2: you're a police officer, you're a hero, and that's not
Speaker 2: always the case. Watching this video is very clear from
Speaker 2: the moment that they arrive that they're not just mindlessly
Speaker 2: brave and heroic in the way that they think they
Speaker 2: should be like in movies. They are actively doing the
Speaker 2: job we wish they would always do. They are trying
Speaker 2: their best to protect the civilians. They are trying to
Speaker 2: their best in a very chaotic place to discern who
Speaker 2: the victims or possible casualties or bystanders are and the
Speaker 2: shooter versus the shooters, And there's moments in the video
Speaker 2: where there's complete darkness and muzzle flash and that's it.
Speaker 2: And they're running in that direction, moving people out of
Speaker 2: the way, rushing people to safety, aggressively trying to serve
Speaker 2: and protect a community literally under fire. The date just
Speaker 2: stood out to me, you said, July fifth, because if
Speaker 2: you're just listening to this audibly, it sounds like the fireworks.
Speaker 2: It's that many gunshots that it sounds like a fireworks show,
Speaker 2: and these officers are running toward the fireworks, and really,
Speaker 2: really in a way that has to be even if
Speaker 2: you're really brave, terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying to watch.
Speaker 2: And trying their best to make sure that everyone is
Speaker 2: safe behind some sort of shelter, running away from.
Speaker 1: The danger as they run toward it.
Speaker 2: As they run toward it, it's really relieving, is a
Speaker 2: word that comes to mind. Refreshing. It's what as a kid,
Speaker 2: you expect police officer behavior to look like.
Speaker 1: All right, let me jump in right please, So this
Speaker 1: video it's it's bodycam footage, so I have to talk
Speaker 1: you through it. If you're listening, it's bodycam footage of
Speaker 1: one officer. It looks almost like a Blair Witch project footage. Right,
Speaker 1: It's unreal. And you know, as you mentioned, Q just
Speaker 1: shot shot bag bag may bang the whole time and
Speaker 1: then people screaming everywhere. And I need you to understand
Speaker 1: that that most of the people that I saw on
Speaker 1: the video that were under fire were black people. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's part of the reason why it's important for
Speaker 1: us to have this conversation. These guys run in the direction,
Speaker 1: as Q said, and they're yelling at people, and they're
Speaker 1: doing their best to try to figure out where the
Speaker 1: shooters are or whatever. But it's it's multiple shooters. You
Speaker 1: can just tell there's different frequencies of fires from different
Speaker 1: automatic weapons. That's the best way I can describe it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a gun person, but firing rates are different,
Speaker 1: so there's different weapons. I guess being discharged, and you
Speaker 1: can tell that there's firing and then returning fire, right,
Speaker 1: And the officers are just running into a field of
Speaker 1: cars and it's like a street with cars on this
Speaker 1: side and that side, and they.
Speaker 2: Don't knowhood something like that. Maybe your line of sight
Speaker 2: isn't clear. It's not like an open battlefield like a
Speaker 2: military would deal with. This is a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people can hide in different places and you
Speaker 1: don't know where it's coming from. So and then of
Speaker 1: course it's night, so it's it's dark, and you know,
Speaker 1: the people are screaming and they're, oh, no, she shot
Speaker 1: over there, Get behind the car. Uh, don't move, you know,
Speaker 1: like the you know, the young. Obviously there's a lot
Speaker 1: of profanity in there because everybody's freaked out and tensions
Speaker 1: are high, and the police are just kind of human
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to talk about humans. A
Speaker 1: story that really helped frame this radio show, Civic Cipher
Speaker 1: took place when Q and I took a road trip
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and we were pulled over in Mississippi.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this and I get the feeling we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to tell the story quite a few times.
Speaker 1: But for those of you who are newer to know
Speaker 1: the audience of Civic Cipher, a quick and dirty version
Speaker 1: of the story is, we got pulled over in Mississippi
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night by two police officers
Speaker 1: mining our own.
Speaker 2: Business from two different agencies too, right, the sheriff and
Speaker 2: a highway patrol.
Speaker 1: We ended up getting pulled out of the car, detained
Speaker 1: on the side of the road, and they brought out
Speaker 1: like the drug sniffing dogs and they did all this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff to us. In my belief and in
Speaker 1: my estimation based on how we look, there was no
Speaker 1: real reason for them to search our car to suspect
Speaker 1: that we were inebriated or anything like that. And you know,
Speaker 1: we talked to the officers in a calm manner. At
Speaker 1: no point did we lose our composure. It wasn't that
Speaker 1: kind of a party. But they were insisting on finding something,
Speaker 1: and then they made up something and they had an
Speaker 1: excuse to bring out the dog, and the dog supposedly
Speaker 1: alerted them to the fact that the non fact that
Speaker 1: we were just transporting drugs in a brand new vehicle
Speaker 1: that we just bring the dog alerted you to any right,
Speaker 1: But they made that their story so that they can
Speaker 1: then go in and search the car subsequently. Now, when
Speaker 1: we originally told that story, one of the things that
Speaker 1: we were able to do is identify the difference between
Speaker 1: a person who is a police officer and a police
Speaker 1: officer like that. You wake up a police officer, you
Speaker 1: go to sleep a police officer, and that's your whole thing.
Speaker 1: You were just so committed to that, not job, but
Speaker 1: that idea, the idea you're always on. You know this
Speaker 1: guy and both of these officers were black, and they
Speaker 1: were doing this to us. So I maintain that we're
Speaker 1: not critical of police because they're often white. We're critical
Speaker 1: of policing as an institution because it often fails. And
Speaker 1: that type of institution, you cannot have an error rate
Speaker 1: really any higher than zero. Same as like airplanes, you
Speaker 1: cannot have an error rate higher than zero. It has
Speaker 1: to be zero if you're dealing with life and death
Speaker 1: and people with the opportunity and the license to execute
Speaker 1: human beings on the street like animals, right, And I
Speaker 1: think that that's fair that there is no acceptable error rate.
Speaker 1: There's no such there should be no such thing as
Speaker 1: bad apples, and the nature and the framework of the
Speaker 1: institution is flawed at its core actually when it comes
Speaker 1: to interacting with and judging and sentencing black and brown bodies.
Speaker 1: With that said, our story, we were able to identify
Speaker 1: one of the officers. I believe he was the sheriff
Speaker 1: was a cool person. He tried to make sure we
Speaker 1: were okay.
Speaker 2: He tried to make sure we didn't feel like like
Speaker 2: he died. He knew we felt yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. He approached it.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, I see it was just two o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning. I get in Mississippi and this is last summer,
Speaker 2: so this is the height of protest, se dealing with Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've just driven through three states of Confederate flags and
Speaker 2: you know Trump signs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This officer approached it like, okay, let me make sure
Speaker 2: that these guys aren't scared to death, because everything about
Speaker 2: the circumstances right now would justifiably lead to them feeling
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Sure, the other officers had no such concern. He wanted
Speaker 1: to find us, to have a find something that we
Speaker 1: were doing wrong, to have a reason to punish us,
Speaker 1: and there was nothing there. And the scary part is
Speaker 1: not everyone is as squeaky clean as you and I
Speaker 1: and picture perfect. You and I have never even drank
Speaker 1: alcohol before, right, Never in our lives have we drank alcohol.
Speaker 1: So that shows you the path that we leave. Not
Speaker 1: everyone can say that people do live full lives and
Speaker 1: enjoy themselves in those ways in other ways. Right. But
Speaker 1: when we originally told that story, we recognize that oftentimes,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for something hard enough, you're going to
Speaker 1: find it even if it's not there, which is something
Speaker 1: that I say to sometimes romantic partners if they try
Speaker 1: to go through my phone, you're looking for some You're
Speaker 1: to find it even if it's not there, because your
Speaker 1: brain will make it real. Right. So the same with
Speaker 1: the officer who was an officer. He just was like,
Speaker 1: I'm here to enforce the law, so let me enforce it.
Speaker 1: How can I enforce the law on these people? How
Speaker 1: can I enforce the law on these two young men?
Speaker 1: Whereas the other guy was, he was a man first,
Speaker 1: a living, breathing man who recognized, Okay, this situation requires
Speaker 1: empathy and tact and diplomacy and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: This is not a high stress situation. I recognize who
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with. I've been able to assess the demeanor
Speaker 1: and the energy and so forth, and I can govern
Speaker 1: myself accordingly. The other guy was dead set on nope,
Speaker 1: let's call the dogs. Oh no, the dog smelled and
Speaker 1: smelled something, And I remind you a brand new car
Speaker 1: that we just got, and it was an electric car,
Speaker 1: so there's no hybrid or that what it was it was.
Speaker 1: It's some kind of Porsche or something like that. So anyway,
Speaker 1: this car is brand new, there's no And then then
Speaker 1: this officer, after the whole ordeal takes two hours or
Speaker 1: however long, around the side of the road. All of
Speaker 1: our friends are scared because I'm of course on Facebook
Speaker 1: live terrified. Phone dies. No one knows what happened. So
Speaker 1: what happens is at the end of that interaction, that
Speaker 1: same officer who was he was a police officer, only
Speaker 1: that guy says somebody might have brushed up against the
Speaker 1: car with a joint in his pocket when you stopped
Speaker 1: at a grocery store in Alabama. And that's and that's
Speaker 1: why the dog smelled it. And that was as much
Speaker 1: of an excuse as he could render for a wasting
Speaker 1: both of our times. He's not fighting real crime, he's
Speaker 1: just bothering us. And he like the thoroughness for such
Speaker 1: a petty thing. Feels like, yeah, we should probably defund
Speaker 1: the police. There are too many police smell a mill
Speaker 1: of a mill of something of what the human knows
Speaker 1: and smell stop anyway. Uh So, yeah, he that that
Speaker 1: interaction helped me to determine and to see firsthand that
Speaker 1: there is a difference between a police officer and a
Speaker 1: person who is a police officer. The person first, right,
Speaker 1: And what I saw when I saw this video that
Speaker 1: took place in Toledo, Ohio, was a person when it
Speaker 1: was time to be a person. Because there's people all around,
Speaker 1: and he could be scared of any one of these people.
Speaker 2: He could justify me to be scared of all of
Speaker 2: them exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what stood out to me. He was not.
Speaker 2: From the time he arrived, he'd already made up his mind.
Speaker 2: I am trying to say save as many people as post.
Speaker 1: Thank you, that's it. That's it that you gotta watch
Speaker 1: the video to see it, and again credit where it's due,
Speaker 1: because this doesn't mean that we won't continue to be
Speaker 1: critical of the way policing is done in this country.
Speaker 1: But when it's done right, we have a responsibility as journalists,
Speaker 1: you and I and Swirl our show producer, a responsibility
Speaker 1: to high like that and bring the same energy to
Speaker 1: it right. And so that's what we're doing right now. Now.
Speaker 1: The comments section, Now, I came across this video originally
Speaker 1: on Reddit, and uh then we ended up talking about
Speaker 1: it in our in our group chat for the show.
Speaker 2: And just the heads up because Ramses has mentioned this
Speaker 2: to me before. Only Ramses has seen the comment section.
Speaker 2: I only watched the video, right, so I'm very curious
Speaker 2: as to what this comment section looked and read and
Speaker 2: sounded like.
Speaker 1: So allow me to explain. As you can imagine, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pro police chatter in the comment section.
Speaker 1: Don't ever look at a comment section if you're if
Speaker 1: you please don't. It's just the junk food of the internet.
Speaker 1: It's just bad for you. But you know, for this
Speaker 1: type of show, it helps to kind of have a
Speaker 1: sense of the pulse of you know, where people are online,
Speaker 1: people who are a little bit admittedly a little bit
Speaker 1: more brave and push their tongue a little bit a
Speaker 1: bit more brave. There you go, thank you. So so
Speaker 1: I'm in there swimming around trying to put this together
Speaker 1: because you know, the description of the video doesn't really
Speaker 1: say much. It just says, you know, two cops charging
Speaker 1: to a war zone in Toledo, Ohio. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that it was. It appeared to be an event where
Speaker 1: most of the people that were visiting or hanging out
Speaker 1: at the event were black.
Speaker 2: So for people who are not familiar with Toledo, Ohio,
Speaker 2: it's the northern part of Ohio, about an eighty mile
Speaker 2: trip south of Detroit, Michigan. The automotive industry brought a
Speaker 2: lot of black people to that area because there was
Speaker 2: industry there and employment after you know, slavery was not
Speaker 2: just abolished, but when people finally stopped the practice of it.
Speaker 2: So Toledo does have a nice concentration of black people.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, So that's all we can. So the comment
Speaker 1: section now illuminates just kind of the back and forth
Speaker 1: and what's going on. What do people have to say
Speaker 1: about this? Right? And obviously I'm not gonna read every
Speaker 1: comment on Reddit, but got a good sampling and some
Speaker 1: there were some people in there that were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: these were the same people shouting defund the police, so
Speaker 1: you know, why would the police come and defend them?
Speaker 1: Or this is what would you do if you defunded
Speaker 1: the police? You know, So that was a big deal
Speaker 1: in there. There was another one that says, you know,
Speaker 1: there's this is what this is what our cops do.
Speaker 1: This is what our police do. And you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you have like a few bad apples, it it cast
Speaker 1: a shadow on what real policing is supposed to be
Speaker 1: and what real policing looks like, and so forth and
Speaker 1: so on. And some of them were sensible if that's
Speaker 1: your worldview, there's sensible things to say, you know, sensible
Speaker 1: comments to make. And then some of them obviously was
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm gonna get this off as like we're
Speaker 1: a sparring match between you know, the other side. I'll
Speaker 1: call it our side posting videos of police murdering people
Speaker 1: for no reason. Right, So here's so them saying, here's
Speaker 1: a good example of what police do. And then on
Speaker 1: our side we put here's why we need to change
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: The hilarious irony of that is that that's what we
Speaker 2: would post as an example of good policing too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're talking about here. We want good policing too. So
Speaker 2: if that's your response to us, it's not. It shouldn't be,
Speaker 2: even though you think it is. It's not adversarial to us.
Speaker 2: We like seeing it done right, right. Hire those guys
Speaker 2: to train a lot of their colleagues. It would help tremendously.
Speaker 1: And so that comments section really made me pause because
Speaker 1: I do recognize that the way that policing looks too
Speaker 1: to groups in the United States difference to America's is
Speaker 1: very different, looks very different. But that example looks like
Speaker 1: what it should look like across the board. Yes, a
Speaker 1: high stress situation. That really is a high stress situation, right,
Speaker 1: and the people with fire, the people with training show up,
Speaker 1: So hang on, hang on, watch this before we get there.
Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about that. But if
Speaker 1: I remember Falando Castile, Yes, officer, I do have a gun.
Speaker 1: I have a permit for my gun. Ban ban ban bank.
Speaker 1: That is not a high stress situation, right, the officer
Speaker 1: freaked out, right, and probably every other example that I
Speaker 1: could possibly name, we'd be here for days. Yeah, even
Speaker 1: if even and of course we understand that you don't
Speaker 1: need a gun, you don't need to be threatening, you
Speaker 1: don't even need to be away were conscious in order
Speaker 1: to have your life ended by police officers. We've seen
Speaker 1: that time and again, and it's all under You know
Speaker 1: that they do this, and they are never convicted or
Speaker 1: I guess, rarely convicted, are rarely charged, almost never convicted,
Speaker 1: how about that?
Speaker 2: And even when convicted, the sentencing is always it's pretty like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, And the reason for that is that they're
Speaker 1: able to say things like, oh, it's a high stress
Speaker 1: job and it's you know, people don't know what we
Speaker 1: go through, and it's like, no, we saw what you
Speaker 1: went through. This person did not have a gun pointed raised,
Speaker 1: was not operating the gun, it was not firing bullets.
Speaker 1: It was not a high stress situation.
Speaker 2: And we've seen you deal with people that don't look
Speaker 2: like us in high stress situations a lot differently to
Speaker 2: a lot more empathy, case and care and patience and
Speaker 2: the execution of the training that you were saving there
Speaker 2: it is right there. So when we actually see a
Speaker 2: high stress situation.
Speaker 1: And we don't see the police freaking out, I mean
Speaker 1: they were freaking out because obviously you're human being that
Speaker 1: flighter fight or flight kicks in and you're just that
Speaker 1: adrenaline is pumping, but high as about as high stress
Speaker 1: as you can get. There's active gunfire. You can hear
Speaker 1: it as they're running, okay, and then they're not like
Speaker 1: every direction too, It's not like it seems like it's
Speaker 1: coming from right there. It sounds and looks like it's
Speaker 1: coming from everywhere right and So what what I'm able
Speaker 1: to see and what I'm able to take from that
Speaker 1: is that there's definitely a way to do this, you know,
Speaker 1: in in New Zealand. I got friends in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: so you know, I've been able to kind of see
Speaker 1: what they do over there in Serato because I'm a
Speaker 1: DJ at the Serrato factory and then at the sound
Speaker 1: Switch factory. Shout out to Serrado and SoundSwitch. Those guys
Speaker 1: keep their guns in the trunk of their car. They
Speaker 1: don't take it out unless they need it. They just
Speaker 1: operate that way. They don't operate as though they're going
Speaker 1: to kill somebody or need to kill somebody right there,
Speaker 1: operate as we need to protect and serve and if
Speaker 1: things escalate beyond what our normal duties police officers, over
Speaker 1: the police officer. That's what I mean. Not my friends.
Speaker 1: My friends are DJs, but long and the short of
Speaker 1: it is, there's different ways to think about policing, and
Speaker 1: the police budgets are definitely bloated, and there's ways to
Speaker 1: reinvest that money into community programs that prevent things like
Speaker 1: this from happening in the first place. And there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of different ideas and approaches to it, and hopefully
Speaker 1: at the end of this long dialogue that we're having,
Speaker 1: we'll be able to see some police reform. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, credit where it's due. Shout out to those
Speaker 1: police in Toledo, Ohio. I'll say it, we salute you.
Speaker 1: And now we just striking from head borders behind him.
Speaker 1: And if you're just tuning into CIVI excipher, I'm your host,
Speaker 1: ramses Jock will call me q Ward and you got
Speaker 1: We've still got a lot of important stuff to talk
Speaker 1: about on the show today, not the least of which
Speaker 1: is Al Sharpton and Ben Crump taking on their first
Speaker 1: case involving a white person who was killed by the police.
Speaker 1: So if you listen to the first half of the show,
Speaker 1: you recognize that we credit where's do had to salute
Speaker 1: the police for uh an example that we came across
Speaker 1: in Toledo, Ohio. But you know, and later on in
Speaker 1: the show, we're going to discuss au a situation with
Speaker 1: you know, police taking life, this time of a white child,
Speaker 1: and you know what it means and why Al Sharpten
Speaker 1: and Ben Crumper jumping on that just felt like it's
Speaker 1: up our Alleien. You need to know about it. And
Speaker 1: also we have the Way Black History Fact with DJ
Speaker 1: Swirl that's coming up as well. But for now, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about our Bah Bah section that stands
Speaker 1: for become a better ally and today we're highlighting a
Speaker 1: young woman by the name of Page I hope I
Speaker 1: say that's right. Page Buchers. Yeah, awesome person, you know,
Speaker 1: and I do want to say that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of examples that we could have used. You know, I
Speaker 1: really wanted to talk about what happened in England and
Speaker 1: the coaching that came to the defense of the black
Speaker 1: players when they were like, you know, all the racists
Speaker 1: came out to say whatever and whatever, and the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and the prince even came up and spoke up.
Speaker 1: But that's not in America, and this is an American
Speaker 1: based show, so we got to talk about what's going
Speaker 1: on here. But anyway, so Paige Bukers, I hope I'm
Speaker 1: saying your name right. She is a white woman and
Speaker 1: she basketball if I'm not mistaken them, she gave a
Speaker 1: speech for what's the name of the awardship. Yes, s piece,
Speaker 1: I'm not a sports guy, I'm my music guy. Q
Speaker 1: know sports, So thanks for that cute. Anyway, she gets
Speaker 1: up and gives this speech and she says thank you
Speaker 1: and thank God, and she really sounded like she grew
Speaker 1: up playing basketball.
Speaker 2: She got a little bit of And just to be
Speaker 2: clear for you guys that don't know, she's one of
Speaker 2: the best basketball players on the planet. Oh yeah, she's
Speaker 2: a star at Yukon, which is a basketball factory, and
Speaker 2: she's one of the best to ever come through there.
Speaker 2: If you do follow sports, especially women's basketball, you know
Speaker 2: that being the best at a place like Yukon is
Speaker 2: a really big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't know that, but she is a big
Speaker 1: deal for us because she is a great example on
Speaker 1: how you can become a better Outly. She used her
Speaker 1: time in the spotlight to say she is a white
Speaker 1: woman in a black leed sport. That was one of
Speaker 1: the first things that she said. She admitted that black
Speaker 1: athletes don't get the credit they deserve, and black women,
Speaker 1: specifically black women, that's what I meant to say, sir,
Speaker 1: And she said that their value to the sport is undeniable.
Speaker 1: That was a direct quote from her, and I just
Speaker 1: thought that was very special. She goes on to say
Speaker 1: something like she was nervous the whole time too. But
Speaker 1: she goes on to say something like eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the award winners from the WNBA or whatever were black women,
Speaker 1: but it was the white athletes that received like fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the media coverage. And I just felt like
Speaker 1: that was her using her time in the spotlight to
Speaker 1: highlight her privilege and the fact that the media coverage
Speaker 1: and the sport and you know, all the things that
Speaker 1: go along with it don't really treat black athletes fair.
Speaker 1: It's just a great example of how to use your privilege,
Speaker 1: which if you have any, to bring a little bit
Speaker 1: of balance and fairness and equity to the to the world,
Speaker 1: to the universe in your own small way. And so
Speaker 1: in this moment, we want to salute her. Now let's
Speaker 1: talk about Al Sharpton and Ben Crump. So lawyers. You
Speaker 1: know Reverend Al Sharpton, but Big Crump is more for
Speaker 1: being a lawyer. So again they're taking their first case
Speaker 1: involving a white person killed by the police. This person's name,
Speaker 1: it was it's very sad. Was as soon as you
Speaker 1: said that word, I kind of yeah, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a teenager, so I you know, Q gets mad at
Speaker 1: me when I call teenagers babies, But I have a
Speaker 1: teenager and that's my baby. So his name was Hunter Britain,
Speaker 1: and he was killed like three am outside of a
Speaker 1: repair shop in Arkansas, unarmed, of course. And I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I don't know his story, you know. I was introduced
Speaker 1: to this via a CNN article and then some other research,
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure exactly how a Hunter's you know,
Speaker 1: interaction with the police went. But I'd imagine if Al
Speaker 1: Sharpton and you know, Ben Crump are taking on this
Speaker 1: this story, uh, or this case rather that uh. The
Speaker 1: the assumption is that he did not deserve to lose
Speaker 1: his life that day, and the fact that he was
Speaker 1: unarmed think further suggests that that was not the way
Speaker 1: his life should have ended in his teens, out in
Speaker 1: front of a gas station for no real reason or
Speaker 1: not really posing a real threat. And that's that's what
Speaker 1: I imagine. Anyway, if you know anything about Al Sharpton
Speaker 1: and and Ben Crump, you do recognize that they are
Speaker 1: sort of advocates for black people when there is nowhere
Speaker 1: else to turn. You know, that's kind of the highest
Speaker 1: that you can get in terms of visibility and representation
Speaker 1: and people on your side and you know, having some
Speaker 1: sort of fortifying optics on your case or situation or whatever.
Speaker 1: So for them to take on this situation with this
Speaker 1: white child feels white young man feels a little unusual,
Speaker 1: and it is a little unusual. But there's a reason
Speaker 1: for that. And I want to get your thoughts on
Speaker 1: a queue. So there's one quote. It says that I
Speaker 1: feel it's one of the most significant cases in the
Speaker 1: fight to push Congress for landmark police reform and uh
Speaker 1: and just so you know, there's no footage because the
Speaker 1: officer didn't turn off their turn on their body camera
Speaker 1: when they got out to which should be illegal, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think that what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: here is use this as an example to move Congress
Speaker 1: to you know, enact some laws to hold police accountable
Speaker 1: when they don't do things like this, because at that point,
Speaker 1: you know, dead men tell no tales, and this this
Speaker 1: guy's gone hunter Britain, we're talking about him in the
Speaker 1: past tense. The officer who executed him on the spot
Speaker 1: is perhaps very much alive in getting paid and so
Speaker 1: they believe that this could push lawmakers to pass the
Speaker 1: quote George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, which has stalled
Speaker 1: in the Senate right now. There's another quote here I
Speaker 1: want to get off real quick. It says that is
Speaker 1: going to be looked at differently because he wasn't a
Speaker 1: child of color. The police are supposed to protect them,
Speaker 1: and that's been Crumb saying that. And there's another quip
Speaker 1: a little bit later in the article where it says
Speaker 1: something about them wanting to pass what's called Hunter's Law,
Speaker 1: which feels like, I don't know if that's something that
Speaker 1: they want to rename the George Floyd Initiative as Hunter's Law,
Speaker 1: like that might be a little unfair, but this is
Speaker 1: kind of what we have here. And so first off,
Speaker 1: your your thoughts, your initial reaction to this.
Speaker 2: So I first want to say I have no issue
Speaker 2: with referring to teenagers as children. As someone who recently
Speaker 2: adopted and attempting to help raise one child is the
Speaker 2: best way to describe. The only reason I that I
Speaker 2: brought attention to it before is because I didn't want
Speaker 2: it to seem like you and I were being unfair
Speaker 2: when trying to garner some type of undue sympathy for
Speaker 2: some teenagers in another story by calling them babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was just we got we got big
Speaker 1: daddy energy over here.
Speaker 2: I told you when you told me about this story
Speaker 2: that my initial reaction was why, why is it a story?
Speaker 2: Why are they doing it? And as you were introducing
Speaker 2: the topic today, I had a bit of an epiphany.
Speaker 2: I don't know this to be true because I don't
Speaker 2: know any of the people involved, but I'd like to
Speaker 2: believe that, just like we tried to express last summer,
Speaker 2: we don't take to the streets to say kill more
Speaker 2: white people.
Speaker 1: We take to the streets to say, stop.
Speaker 2: Killing all of us, right, except all of the examples
Speaker 2: that we're given, all of the cases that we see,
Speaker 2: all of the bodies that are being buried look like us.
Speaker 1: So we have to call attention to the suffering. The
Speaker 1: most well said.
Speaker 2: So we say black lives matter as not a way
Speaker 2: to disqualify or minimalize or marginalize the importance or value
Speaker 2: of other people's lives. It's like, hey, can we have
Speaker 2: any dignity at all? It's our shout and our request.
Speaker 2: So any citizen unjustfully killed by law enforcement should be
Speaker 2: represented and should have someone stand up and fight for them,
Speaker 2: just like you would me or Ramses or our children.
Speaker 2: The civil rights movement, it leaned heavy toward black people
Speaker 2: because black people were the group suffering the lack of
Speaker 2: civil rights. But we're not saying civil rights for only
Speaker 2: black people. We are not saying justice for only black people.
Speaker 1: It's like us too.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you guys would consider it, because clearly that's
Speaker 2: not what you want to do, it's not what you're
Speaker 2: currently doing. So the big question marks that I had
Speaker 2: when I first read the headline and when I first
Speaker 2: saw the story literally start to melt away as I'm
Speaker 2: listening to you talk about it, because Hunter is not
Speaker 2: less important than Grayson or Christian or Adanaya.
Speaker 1: That's fair, So I can't.
Speaker 2: I guess I just told you a little bit about
Speaker 2: my initial reaction, but more about how I feel now
Speaker 2: as I'm listening to this.
Speaker 1: Someone's child.
Speaker 2: Should have made it home that night, should have woke
Speaker 2: up that next morning, and should still be here now,
Speaker 2: and they're not. And we don't have all the details,
Speaker 2: but if this man was unarmed, he should have been
Speaker 2: shown the same Grayson should have been provided with the
Speaker 2: same opportunity for life and even incarceration if he committed
Speaker 2: some crime, but it shouldn't have been but it shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been met with death, especially, like I said, when
Speaker 2: we've seen that the measures and the lengths that they
Speaker 2: can go to make sure that they apprehend someone safely,
Speaker 2: and situations that are far more stressful, in tense and
Speaker 2: scary even than this, we've seen it, so we know
Speaker 2: that the training is being provided and that it's possible.
Speaker 2: We just wish this could be a more uniformed thing
Speaker 2: and that we don't have to keep having conversations like
Speaker 2: this because it's getting out of control.
Speaker 1: So there's an interesting thing here. I think that by
Speaker 1: them wanting to get behind this case, I think that
Speaker 1: it illuminates the Forgive me if this sounds dramatic, I
Speaker 1: know that sometimes the nature of the show causes things
Speaker 1: to sound that way, and this might be another example
Speaker 1: of that. But these people, Al Sharpton Bidcrumb are using
Speaker 1: this example of a police killing with a white victim
Speaker 1: as opposed to a black victim because it has a
Speaker 1: better chance of moving the hearts and the minds of
Speaker 1: the people preventing the George Floyd Policing Reform Act. I
Speaker 1: believe it's called justice and Policing Act from you know,
Speaker 1: actually making its way through the Senate. If the victim
Speaker 1: is white, then folks will have to be able to empathize.
Speaker 1: And I think that what it does is it illuminates
Speaker 1: the fact that black bodies, you know, that the people's impulse,
Speaker 1: the media's impulse, and then people that live in their homes, well,
Speaker 1: what did he do wrong? Right?
Speaker 3: What w W?
Speaker 1: He hadn't have done something? What was he doing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And they try to blame the person who has lost
Speaker 1: their life. And as we mentioned, you know, we live
Speaker 1: in a society where we're not savages, we're not monsters
Speaker 1: and beasts. And this isn't you know, this is a
Speaker 1: modern society. We are able to take people who make mistakes,
Speaker 1: rehabilitate them and get them back into society. Death is
Speaker 1: This is not a what is that called the A
Speaker 1: B B Big brother state or whatever, I forget the
Speaker 1: name of it, but basically, when they kill you when
Speaker 1: you do anything wrong, you know, nanny state or some
Speaker 1: like some kind of state. This is not that. This
Speaker 1: is a society where people can exercise their freedoms if
Speaker 1: they go a little bit too far. We have checks
Speaker 1: and balances in place for better or worse, that they're
Speaker 1: designed to keep everything operational. The thing is, we see
Speaker 1: time and again that at the point where policing meets
Speaker 1: the actual citizens, that there are too often this type
Speaker 1: of mistake, which, as I mentioned earlier on the show,
Speaker 1: really needs a zero percent error rate. If you pull
Speaker 1: out your gun, you better be one thousand percent sure
Speaker 1: because somebody is going to lose their life. And there's
Speaker 1: cavalier attitude that people tend to have when it comes
Speaker 1: to death and black bodies. Often times, we've seen time
Speaker 1: and again that it doesn't move the needle, certainly doesn't
Speaker 1: move the needle in the way that we want. It
Speaker 1: might move the needle a little bit here and there.
Speaker 1: Every decade or two we got a tiny step forward.
Speaker 1: But I think that with Al Sharpton and Ben Crump,
Speaker 1: what they're banking on is the fact that, Okay, if
Speaker 1: this child looks like the people we're trying to appeal to,
Speaker 1: if this child looks had a quote promising future as
Speaker 1: opposed to the one time he shoplifted when he was
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I'll see he was gonna grow
Speaker 1: up and be a crimp, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: How they did with Ferguson. I forget his name, Ferguson, Missouri.
Speaker 1: What's his name? Jesus, It'll come to me. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about where you know, if it's
Speaker 1: a black child, then it's well, what did he do
Speaker 1: wrong in the past that wasn't even happening on that day?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: So what was his name? Helped me out? Michael Brown?
Speaker 1: Michael Brown, Jesus. I don't know how I forgot that,
Speaker 1: but yes, Michael Brown, and his name deserved to be said.
Speaker 1: I'm just as you know, there's a lot of names
Speaker 1: to remember.
Speaker 2: Sadly, there are a lot of names and a lot
Speaker 2: of names in that part of the country Missouri, Minnesota, Michigan,
Speaker 2: Chicago and other places. There's some sad truths to what
Speaker 2: you just said, Okay, and then there's some kind of
Speaker 2: truths to.
Speaker 1: What you just said.
Speaker 2: The kind of truth sad absolute truth truth is that
Speaker 2: Hunter or any other white child being gunned down by
Speaker 2: police will trigger a different emotional response from the from
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say the majority, but the people in those
Speaker 2: positions yere. However, what our lack of motivation to make
Speaker 2: changes in our gun policies have shown me listen, is
Speaker 2: that even when the victims are white, they don't move.
Speaker 2: And it's because in most of these cases, the perpetrators
Speaker 2: are also white, and our capitalist country gotta seldom guns,
Speaker 2: has to sell whatever it is, not just guns.
Speaker 1: But you know, in the name of.
Speaker 2: Curing our union's capital, they've shown they're willing to bend
Speaker 2: on just about anything. I thought when schools full of
Speaker 2: white children started getting shot up and white politicians started
Speaker 2: getting shot that there would be some immediate gun reform.
Speaker 2: There was not, because someone's bottom line would have been
Speaker 2: affected too much.
Speaker 1: Right, So you have this grand idea.
Speaker 2: Of white versus black in a country that was without questioning,
Speaker 2: people absolutely found it and built on the back of
Speaker 2: the racism train. That has also shown me that the
Speaker 2: rich will use that to manipulate the poor. So you
Speaker 2: have dual ideology geez growing from the same seed. Right,
Speaker 2: Convince poor white people that poor black and brown people
Speaker 2: are their enemies, and they will never notice that you're
Speaker 2: robbing them too. Give them someone to look down upon
Speaker 2: to blame their problems on, Give them an adversary, and
Speaker 2: they will vote for the man who's literally taking food
Speaker 2: out of their children's mouths.
Speaker 1: The system is.
Speaker 2: Masterful and cruel and disgusting at the same time. So
Speaker 2: it is it's interesting to listen to it because if
Speaker 2: they renamed it that it probably would grow more legs. Right,
Speaker 2: But as long as you have hundredons and lobbyists and
Speaker 2: people who stand to profit from the system being exactly
Speaker 2: the way it is, they're going to be very, very
Speaker 2: slow to make any grand changes. You know, those same
Speaker 2: people help them get into the seat that they're sitting
Speaker 2: in the office here to vote against them.
Speaker 1: You know, not to backtrack here, but you know, in
Speaker 1: the first half of the show, if you were tuned in,
Speaker 1: we discussed a gang shootout in Ohio and police officers
Speaker 1: rushed in and they were very brave, and you know,
Speaker 1: we did our best to give credit where it was due.
Speaker 1: That's what hero. We don't believe that policing in its
Speaker 1: current version works well enough for everybody enough of the time,
Speaker 1: but that was one example where it looked like what
Speaker 1: we thought it should look like, and so we wanted
Speaker 1: to give them credit. But I mentioned earlier in the
Speaker 1: show about the comments section of the post where I
Speaker 1: saw that video. I'm glad you brought this back up,
Speaker 1: and one of the comments was is the solution more guns?
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because that comment was there because
Speaker 1: what you have is a gang shootout and then police
Speaker 1: rushing into it with guns and people fleeing the scene
Speaker 1: like it's a mass shooting.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously mass shooting is well, I guess it does qualify,
Speaker 1: but the nature of this mass shooting is very different
Speaker 1: because it's a little bit more targeted and precise versus
Speaker 1: the mass shootings that we know that come to mind,
Speaker 1: which is just kind of indiscriminate executing of human beings
Speaker 1: at a grocery store or whatever. But it's funny that
Speaker 1: someone in the comments section pose the question is the
Speaker 1: solution more guns, and the NRA and the lobbyists and
Speaker 1: so forth might have you believe that, But I can
Speaker 1: assure you with great certainty. Guns can not protect you.
Speaker 1: Guns allow you to kill people. What protects you as
Speaker 1: a bulletproof vests, and police don't even protect you. Police
Speaker 1: show up after you've already been shot, you know, or
Speaker 1: the crime has already happened. It's a reactive effort, and
Speaker 1: so again reinvesting and rethinking about how do we insulate
Speaker 1: ourselves from the problems that we have right now, and
Speaker 1: how do we address problems before they become problems is
Speaker 1: at the core of the defund the police narrative, which
Speaker 1: admittedly is a bad title. I don't think it'll ever
Speaker 1: really fly in some households, but the idea of it
Speaker 1: is brilliant.
Speaker 2: Sends people from hearing that brilliant idea. As you just said,
Speaker 2: the idea makes all the sense in the world. Some
Speaker 2: people intentionally won't let themselves get by the catchphrase.
Speaker 1: Those are the people with the license plate, the racist,
Speaker 1: by the way, license plate that has the flag and
Speaker 1: then the blue stripe. And so a second ago, I said,
Speaker 1: I was glad you brought the comment section back up,
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because what you just said.
Speaker 1: Someone please explain to me what that flag is supposed
Speaker 1: to mean. It's just every time I see it, my
Speaker 1: stomach I have an actual reaction to it. And I've
Speaker 1: started to see people that I know that looked like
Speaker 1: us flying or wearing or posting that flag. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say that, and I'm like, Okay, is there something
Speaker 1: that they don't know? Or am I did I make
Speaker 1: this something that it's not. Here's what it is. So
Speaker 1: someone please help me. My belief before we get.
Speaker 2: To if someone knows better than us, someone is an expert,
Speaker 2: someone who helped design that social media call us.
Speaker 1: Please let me know. I'm at rams job and at
Speaker 1: I am qboard. You can you can hit both of
Speaker 1: us or at uh is DJ's world. At DJ's world, okay,
Speaker 1: you can hit any of us. That's our producer. Anyway.
Speaker 1: My belief is that that flag is racist. It was
Speaker 1: designed as a response to people saying the police are
Speaker 1: killing us. And then there's a group of people who say, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got to defend the police instead of defund we gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's the blue instead of listening to
Speaker 1: their countrymen and their brothers and sisters of African descent
Speaker 1: and empathizing these people. Says no, no, no, we don't
Speaker 1: you know. No, it's okay, please keep killing them. We'll
Speaker 1: support you, you know. And I know that's not the
Speaker 1: intention of people that buy the flags and fly the
Speaker 1: flags and so forth. But the origin of that flag
Speaker 1: came about as a direct response to people saying black
Speaker 1: lives matter and protesting police injustices. It came about as
Speaker 1: a result of Kaepernick neeeling. It didn't exist before them.
Speaker 1: There was never a flag, which, by the way, is
Speaker 1: an abomination of the actual US flag. And if you
Speaker 1: look at the United States Flag Code, that is that
Speaker 1: is how you disrespect the flag by changing the colors.
Speaker 1: You can look at it yourself. Kaepernick never disrespected the flag.
Speaker 1: You do when you fly that weird, gray blue abomination
Speaker 1: of what the United States flag is supposed to be.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that. That's facts.
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of people that I went to
Speaker 2: college with in the last month or so, one who
Speaker 2: is a police officer wearing that flag around his face
Speaker 2: as a mask, and another supporting a promotion that her husband,
Speaker 2: who was a police officer, just got and the the
Speaker 2: first picture of her post was that flag.
Speaker 1: And I was very caught off guard by.
Speaker 2: It, kind of knocked off my square by it, because
Speaker 2: black people wearing and flying and posting and hanging that
Speaker 2: flag is just very strange to me.
Speaker 1: Listen to this. There's a lot of people that perhaps
Speaker 1: in their heart of hearts, mean well. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that fly the Confederate flag or
Speaker 1: fluid and they mean well, and they in their heart.
Speaker 2: They definitely still fly that flag, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: Know what it actually meant, what it was born out of,
Speaker 1: what it you know, and there to them, it's just like, well,
Speaker 1: I just you know, my cousin is a police officer,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to see them get hurt or
Speaker 1: my brothers, you know what I mean. That's what. But
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you that for all of your
Speaker 1: black brothers and sisters, that is a slap in the face.
Speaker 1: That is that is a way to challenge us saying
Speaker 1: that black lives matter. It's very hurtful and very distrest fretful.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the United States flag, called
Speaker 1: your disrespecting the flag. That's all I gotta say about that. Swirl.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some way black history.
Speaker 4: And I want.
Speaker 1: Really quick point to Rams's point.
Speaker 4: What Crump and Sharp Dinner trying to do is the
Speaker 4: same thing as the opposite of the War on drugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the war on drugs.
Speaker 4: The response to that was one way, and then as
Speaker 4: soon as it became the opioid epidemic and the energy
Speaker 4: shifted and the needle move to Q's point, Sandy Hook
Speaker 4: in January sixth, those are two things that you think
Speaker 4: would be cut in dry issues, not the case. And
Speaker 4: also what's worse defund the police or the thin blue
Speaker 4: line hm which one is helping move the needle in
Speaker 4: the positive direction? Anyway, Today's way black history fact. I'm
Speaker 4: glad that I did this because I did this on
Speaker 4: the fly, because we didn't really do.
Speaker 1: This on this day.
Speaker 4: In twenty thirteen, the hashtag black Lives Matter first appeared,
Speaker 4: sparking a movement wow Outraged and saddened after the acquittal
Speaker 4: of George Zimmerman, the Florida man who killed the black
Speaker 4: teenager in twenty twelve, Oakland, California resident Alicia Garza posts
Speaker 4: a message on Facebook on July thirteenth, twenty thirteen. Her
Speaker 4: post contains the phrase black Lives Matter, which soon becomes
Speaker 4: a rallying cry and a movement throughout the United States
Speaker 4: and around the world. Garza said she felt a deep
Speaker 4: sense of grief after Zimmerman was acquitted. She was further
Speaker 4: saddened to note that many people appeared to blend into
Speaker 4: a victim Trayvon Martin and not the disease of racism.
Speaker 4: Patrese Cullers, a Los Angeles community organizer and friend of Garza,
Speaker 4: read her post and replied with the first instance of
Speaker 4: hashtag black Lives Matter. The phrase and the hashtag were
Speaker 4: then quickly adopted by grassroofs activists and protests all across
Speaker 4: the country, particularly after the subsequent killings of, as you
Speaker 4: discussed earlier, Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and a number of
Speaker 4: other African Americans at the hands of police officers or
Speaker 4: would be vigilantes like Zimmerman. After the May twenty twenty
Speaker 4: killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, at least a nationwide
Speaker 4: protest movement against police brutality and racism. Support for the
Speaker 4: Black Lives Matter movement increased by a twenty eight point
Speaker 4: margin in two weeks, almost as much as it had
Speaker 4: in the preceding two years, according to The New York Times,
Speaker 4: perhaps more than any other phrase since black power, black
Speaker 4: lives Matter became a singular rallying cry for the American
Speaker 4: and global racial justice movements.
Speaker 1: Wow, now, synergy, I knew that. A lot of you
Speaker 1: might not have known that, but I knew that. And
Speaker 1: the reason I knew that is because I won't say who,
Speaker 1: but one of those women is very close with my
Speaker 1: like had like like adopted mom sort of figure, and
Speaker 1: really she's my teacher. I like calling her my teacher
Speaker 1: because she literally was my teacher. Doctor Camilla Westenberg, who's
Speaker 1: been on the show a few times and certainly helps
Speaker 1: us when it comes to consulting and informing sort of
Speaker 1: us with topics things like that, and so I was
Speaker 1: kind of right there with her as she was kind
Speaker 1: of helping bring that to where we live, which is
Speaker 1: in Arizona, and recognized that initially it was something that
Speaker 1: really felt empowering. It didn't feel like we were taking
Speaker 1: sides in a war. There was no opposition early on,
Speaker 1: you know, there was no all lives matter in the
Speaker 1: early days of you know, the BLM movement, if you will, again,
Speaker 1: it came about as a way to challenge like there's
Speaker 1: people who the world makes sense to them when black
Speaker 1: people are suffering, that's the only way and they can't
Speaker 1: see and everything that happens is black folks is own doing,
Speaker 1: and even black people are You have instances of black
Speaker 1: people succumbing to this way of thinking because you know,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, there's institutions that are even more powerful
Speaker 1: than the human beings that uphold the institutions. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like indoctrination, right, So you know, I'm glad that we
Speaker 1: took the time to talk about that. I do want
Speaker 1: to if you're listening to us. First off, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you listening to us every week. And we know that
Speaker 1: there's so many things that we're not talking about. There's
Speaker 1: things that come across your tie line, there's things that
Speaker 1: come across our time. Lie so many things we can't
Speaker 1: talk about. One of the things that I do want
Speaker 1: to take a moment to do, and we'll have to
Speaker 1: do it next week, is we want to take the
Speaker 1: time to honor our Native brothers and sisters and the
Speaker 1: traumas that they have had to relive in reading the
Speaker 1: articles about the the bodies of children being unearthed at
Speaker 1: these schools and so forth. And and in Arizona, there
Speaker 1: is a a whole street, a major street in Arizona
Speaker 1: for those who don't live here, it's called Indian School Road.
Speaker 1: And on Indian School Road there is an actual Indian
Speaker 1: school on Central Avenue. It was also right in the
Speaker 1: heart of the city. And there's a lot of history
Speaker 1: there with Native folks, a lot of really troubling history
Speaker 1: that those folks went through. And so I do wanna
Speaker 1: let folks know that there's that and other things that
Speaker 1: we miss that we will try to incorporate in in
Speaker 1: future shows. But you know, as Wirl put it, it's
Speaker 1: timely that we discussed the origins of Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had a ba ba a example.
Speaker 1: But if I have a few more moments of your
Speaker 1: time here, it looks like I do. I do want
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Speaker 1: war on inequality and white supremacy and social injustice and
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Speaker 1: white voices don't. If you're a white person, Hispanic person,
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Speaker 1: those things are important for us to all get to
Speaker 1: where we're going. And you know, I'm glad that this
Speaker 1: was our way black history fact and I wanted to
Speaker 1: leave you with that. So yeah, and I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty much where we're going to leave it today. So
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