1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety one, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Episode one overall, episode number one thousand and five hundred. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Of Daly's Geist. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: To super producer Justin for out pointing that out we 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: are mild so bad, We're so bad and know him 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: about this Half the time, it's y'all going like, hey, 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: you know that was like your twelve hundred episodes. 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: You know, it's like a thousand episodes, and I'm like, 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: is it? 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: And I know there's like trending episodes two that don't 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: even mix in the mix all that to say, yeah, 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: this one's fifteen hundred, man, Yeah, that's without trend one thousand, 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: five hundred daily episodes of. 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: Guys. 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a murder at fifteen hundred. 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's right, we do have a murder of 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: fifteen hundred. This episode is absolutely Slays Still a production 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: by Heart Radio Yeah podcast where we take Deep Avenue 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: American share consciousness. This is one of our very special 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Dailies guest episodes where we have a couple of guests 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: on and kind of focus on their areas of expertise. 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: We have the one, the only one of our favorite 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: listeners and the only listener who has been a full 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: on guest on the show. Christy Amagucci Mane coming a 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: little bit later to talk to us about his on 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: the job exploits a man who wears many hats and 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: of first we are talking to Aisha Harris. Yeah, pop 28 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: culture experts. She just wrote an amazing book about pop culture. First, 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: I guess I should. We've only done it one thy 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: five hundred times. I'm a little rusty. My name is 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: joined as always by my. 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: Co host me, mister Miles Great. Oh, thank you so much. 34 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: It's Miles Great aka. 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: I was gonna declassify, but then I got high. I 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: was gonna turn them all into the Fed, but then. 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: I got high. 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 4: Now I'm being indicted, and I know because I'm the 39 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: guy that just wouldn't try to simply comply. But da da, 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: and that's from Reddit. 41 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: TV on Discord said, hey, this is this is popping 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: off on our politics, and then like people, this is 43 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: this isn't even a listener. But sometimes y'all are finding 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: just fantastic eight a's on there, So shout out TV 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: on the Discord. 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: I feel like he would have a real mental health 47 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: episode if he ever smoked weed. 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, Oh, he'd honestly, And I don't want to 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: say that. I'm not interested in justice, but I would 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: settle if they if the Feds would allow me, I 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: would roll a blunt soap potent that Trump's hair would 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: fly off his head. And I would like to just 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: watch him squirre him for that like seventy five ish 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: minutes where he's like, they hate me, don't they? What 55 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: is this I've been eating pizza all wrong or whatever 56 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: is going on? But yeah, he's there's no way you 57 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: can be in like mentally on like a tight rope 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: all the time like this guy is. And then it 59 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: introduced weed to the mix. 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: Not but Yes so special guest expert guest up front, 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Aisha Harris. We're going to talk to her about whether 62 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: stand culture is the new religion. We're going to talk 63 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: about pop culture like archetypes like I. You know, I've 64 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: always said that Freud should have just analyzed pop culture 65 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: like movies from the nineties. 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: Right, rather than like Oedipus you are you are Charlotte 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 3: from sex. 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Oedipus is the like pop culture figure that smart people 69 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: bring up first when they're like, hmm, doctor Freud, anyone. 70 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: But I feel like all characters operate in that way, 71 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: especially ones that really connect and become iconic. I managed 72 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: not to talk for a half hour about Hannibal Lecter, 73 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: but that is my number one example of like, you know, 74 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: something expressing something in our unconscious as. 75 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: If you talk about Jaws. Though I do talk about 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: Jaws quite a bit. I even reveal a very obscure 77 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: character from film that I related to that. 78 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that after the episode. But oh 79 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: my god, yeah, all that plenty more so, yeah, we'll 80 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: we dive on and get into it right now. 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: Aisha Harris the author of the upcoming Wanta Be Reckonings 82 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: with the Pop Culture That Shapes Me? 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Miles, you're thrilled to be joined for our 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: expert interview portion of the show by a renowned culture 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: critic podcaster who you can currently here is one of 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the hosts of MPRS pop Culture Happy Hour. Her new 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: book is want to Be Reckoning with the Pop Culture 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: That Shapes Me? 89 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: It's Aisha harr. 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: Welcome. 91 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 5: Oh that's the most boisterous introduction I've gotten ever. 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: ASO level. 93 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: We're very boterous here. 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 3: Well let us know if someone does a more boisterous introduction, 95 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: call us, because we'll have you back just to come 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: for that crown. 97 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, given, Oprah, I like it. 98 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: I like it the first Yeah. Actually we were a 99 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: big old energy there for sure. That such a compliment. 100 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: First of all, I have to say, I laughed so 101 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: hard when you called out the DMX lyric I'm not 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: a nice person. 103 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 5: It's such a great line. 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: It's such a great line. It's just it's such a 105 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: funny distillation of his whole vibe. But it just like 106 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: drops all pretense, all dog metaphors go out the window. 107 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: It's just I am not a nice person. Oh yeah, 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean that. I remember the opening of the song 109 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: is so intense when it's. 110 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 6: Like, see this is ship I fucking be talking about, 111 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 6: and then in a certain part it's like I'm not 112 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 6: a nice person. Like, wow, it's the same thing I'm 113 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 6: always when my friends when that album came out and 114 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 6: then there was we were like, this is somehow the 115 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 6: best line in all hip hop. 116 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Yes, this is to the point it sounds a little 117 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: like therapy, Like it sounds like I'm worried, I'm not 118 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: nice person. 119 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 5: But yet he sounds so menacing and like, oh yeah. 120 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: That yeah, but yeah. One of it is a great read, 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: very insightful. I want to kind of jump around to 122 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: some of the different ideas that it raised that we 123 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: talk a lot about on this show, and I wanted 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: to talk start off with stan Culture. You have a 125 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: really great essay I think called Kenny g Gets It, Yes, Yes, 126 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: about stand culture. So, you know, a story that we 127 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: talked about recently on our show a couple of weeks 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: back was that people are experiencing post concert amnesia after 129 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: going to Taylor Swift concerts. And one of the more 130 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: interesting like feces I've seen for why this is happening 131 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: was Myra Fox and Forward comparing it to the Jews 132 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: forgetting all of their time in the desert and Talmud. 133 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: And but like even when you go into like their 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: psychology today articles that are talking about, you know, why 135 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: this might be happening, and it does seem to all 136 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of coalesce around this idea of their having this 137 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: highly affected, elevated experience at this show. And you know, 138 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: the article then points out that you know, Swifties kind 139 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: of pour over her lyrics the way that like a 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: talmud Ex scholar would debate the finer points of their 141 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: core text, and you know, there will be an extremist 142 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: offshoot that believes she's coming out in her lyrics or something, 143 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: and then they will go to war with like some 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, some other branch of interpretation. But yeah, I 145 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of you describe stand behavior as 146 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: quote a wave of cultish behavior that has threatened to 147 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: over tikpop culture of the past few years. Where stands 148 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: original a pejorative reference to a crazed, violent fan like 149 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: the one described in Eminem song Stand, but now apparently 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: a badge of pride express a kind of unyielding devotion 151 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: to artist, which mirrors zealous followers of you know, religion. 152 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, like, did you see the story about people 153 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: experiencing post concert amnesia? Are you buying that it's related? 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: No, this is the first time I'm hearing about it. 155 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 5: So like they're forgetting the show happened. 156 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: They were saying things like, were it not for literal 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: footage on my phone, I could I was having trouble 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: remembering the details of the entire concert. 159 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. Uh, that just sounds like they want an excuse 160 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 5: to have their phones up the entire time instead of 161 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 5: just like letting themselves enjoy its memory. Oh my goodness. Like, look, 162 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 5: I have definitely been that person sometimes at concerts who 163 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 5: puts her phone out and is like, oh my god, 164 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: I need to catch this experience, and then like ten 165 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: seconds the I'm like, what am I doing? They're right 166 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 5: in front of me. 167 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: Right, and I'm looking at it through my phone screen. 168 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I And like I almost never go back and 169 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 5: actually watch that video, so like, I don't know, I. 170 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Don't think it's ever happened in recorded human history that 171 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: someone has gone back and looked at the video of 172 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: the footage they took at a concert. I feel like 173 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: it's always just the act of taking it down to 174 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: be like this is so good for evidence, right, Yeah. 175 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't It's it's dumb. I'm actually going to 176 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 5: see Janna Jackson this weekend, and I'm very very excited, 177 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 5: and I might pull out my phone, but it'll probably 178 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 5: be more to like film myself and my friend's lip 179 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: syncing as opposed to like trying to film you know, 180 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 5: her dancing. To me, that makes a little bit more 181 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 5: sense because like you're capturing the moment and you want 182 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: to remember who you wrote with like that sort of thing. 183 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 5: But yeah, stands stands are weird, man. I mean, like you, 184 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 5: like you said in the quote from my book, like 185 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 5: this was originally a Stan was someone who murdered his 186 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 5: his his. I mean, Stan was someone who murdered his 187 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: wife and his pregnant wife or girlfriend and was writing 188 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: crazy notes to EM and M And somehow we've turned 189 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: this into like a positive thing. 190 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: That's me. 191 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 5: It's like it's such an American way of life. Like 192 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 5: that's just like turning something that has really deep seated, 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: like awful roots. And like I think Stan itself is 194 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 5: the song is a really interesting song. I don't think 195 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 5: it's a bad song. I just think like the whole 196 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 5: point is that it's sort of a cautionary tale and 197 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: now it's like something to aspire to, right, And that's 198 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 5: just it's just fucking weird. It's it's dumb. And so 199 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 5: what I was trying to argue in the book was 200 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 5: just like we need to have a better way of 201 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 5: being fans and thinking about what fandom means. And I 202 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: think for me, one of the more insidious parts of 203 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 5: Standem is not just like that people are so into 204 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 5: whatever artists or whatever franchise they're into. But it's that 205 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 5: if someone else doesn't like what you're into, then it's 206 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 5: taken as like this, you know, the worst offense in 207 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 5: the world. You hate this person and they hate you, 208 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 5: and it's very like jets and sharp sort of situation. 209 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 5: It's like, this doesn't need to be that serious, like yeah, oh, 210 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 5: should be able to like what they like, hate what 211 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: they hate, and never the twins shall meet or whatever. 212 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, Yes, well, I mean, but that is also 213 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: a thing that's been happening for millennia when it comes 214 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: to religion rights, like my interpretation of the religion, and 215 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about trends around religion on the show, 216 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: and it's clear that for a large portion of the country, 217 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: like God and traditional religion are dead or dying or 218 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: at least do not hold the central part of their 219 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: life that you know, they did a couple generations ago, 220 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: like and even that they did like a couple decades ago. 221 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: But the human search for meaning and like having some 222 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: broad significance to their life doesn't just go away. And 223 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: I do wonder, like your essay really made me wonder 224 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: if this is what is coming in to fill that 225 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: space in people's lives, like the the like you mentioned 226 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: in the essay, the religious fervor of Star Wars fans 227 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: when they're forced to confront a new trilogy that might 228 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: move in a different direction than their worldview, and the 229 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: amount of energy that puts forth that they put forth, 230 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, arguing about it and criticizing it and stuff, 231 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: I feel like starts to make sense to me if 232 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of it, Like, you know, what if the 233 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Catholic Church was just like hey, new Gospel just dropped, 234 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Like I feel like that would get quite the reaction 235 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: from you know, develot Catholics. And so this is like, 236 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: if these stories fill that place in people's lives, then 237 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: like I feel like I can understand the world. It 238 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: is a terrifying situation to you know, a weird culture 239 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: to exist in, and also like really makes the position 240 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: of these celebrities and these filmmakers like very scary. Right, 241 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure. 242 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's something weirdly evangelical about the 243 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: way that these fans stands approach these things, whether it's 244 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 5: like trying to wrinkle as many streams of this artist's 245 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: song or album so that they gets at the top, 246 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 5: or you know, trying to convince strangers on the internet 247 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 5: why like this is the best movie ever. Like it's 248 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 5: just there is this weird sense of like and I 249 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 5: think I don't think all social media is terrible. I 250 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 5: think it can be great for actually connecting fans to 251 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 5: other people who they wouldn't normally interact with, you know, 252 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 5: and people have more of a community they can find 253 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 5: and foster online. But but then on the other hand, 254 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 5: it is it does have this weird sort of like 255 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 5: religious bent to it that feels icky, and the fact 256 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 5: that in some cases these artists who shower name nameless, 257 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 5: sometimes they foster this weird religious fervor by you know, 258 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 5: singing having seeking their fans on people who criticize them, 259 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 5: you know, or the studios or are you know they 260 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 5: really play into this or you know, release the Snyder 261 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 5: cut like oh my goodness, like calm down, let's let's 262 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 5: calm down here. I definitely think the religious aspect of 263 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: it is is very accurate. I also think there's like 264 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 5: a comparison to be made to sports fans and how 265 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 5: you know, pop culture has in some ways become its 266 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 5: own sport. Where people take sides and you know, like 267 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: team I don't know, team Malli, team you know, like 268 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: all the yeah or yeah. So yeah, it's really screwed 269 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 5: up our way of like relating to one another, and 270 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 5: also how we relate to art, because at the end 271 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 5: of the day, it's like we should just like be 272 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 5: able to enjoy it without having to add on all 273 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 5: this extra layer of like meaning that I think can 274 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 5: be harmful to society. Yeah yeah, social media, yeah. 275 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: Because yeah, I think everything's kind of like inverting in 276 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: this weird way, especially with celebrity culture being where it's at. 277 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: Right. 278 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: If someone had a quote that I read like years 279 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: ago that was saying, like, prior decades, you became a 280 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: celebrity for achieving something. That's what brought along celebrity to 281 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: someone was because of an achievement. And now we're in 282 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: an era where merely being a celebrity is the achievement 283 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: and it sort of ends there. And I think through 284 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: all that we're always if that's the case, then we're 285 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: also trying to find like who our heroes are, and 286 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 3: like it becomes this thing where now we're defending people 287 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: tooth and nail over these criticisms of again like people 288 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: were we just talk about how we're like deifying these people, 289 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: but it's starting to take on like quite a more 290 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 3: like literal sense of that, like where people are you know, 291 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: coming at each other with the same level of energy 292 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: that you normally would be like, oh, is this some 293 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: kind of religious like a religion like intra religion. 294 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: Battle or something like that. 295 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: But again, I feel like it's maybe just because like 296 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: as we slowly like losing touch of like what has 297 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: meaning what doesn't, then we just sort of like are 298 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: left with these things and being like, well, I'm a barb, 299 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: so this is. 300 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: What like my right. 301 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: You don't be careful, I've already died a thousand deaths 302 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: on the internet. 303 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean truly like not to take it to too 304 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: dark a place, but I mean I feel like the 305 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Beatles might have been the first people to like fully 306 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: get to this place, and like John Lennon commented on 307 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: it by being like, we're bigger than Jesus like in 308 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: some in some ways, and then he was assassinated, you know, 309 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: by one of his fans. Like, you know, so I 310 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: do think there are like all sorts of dark directions 311 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: that this shit can go, you know, John Lennon was 312 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: at surface level a pop singer who sing sang songs 313 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: about being a walrus, and yet like he took on 314 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: such meaning to so many people that, like the the 315 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: guy who shot him, I think one of his like 316 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: chief motives was that he didn't like the direction that 317 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: his career was taking at that point and like wanted 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: to preserve him in amber. So like again, it's just 319 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: this religious fanaticism and devotion that has to kind of 320 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: go somewhere and can go in like these really dark, horrifying. 321 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 5: Directions and before stan right, yeah. 322 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like for for people who like aren't familiar, 323 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: you know, some people know Kenny. Why did you use 324 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 3: Kenny G to sort of illustrate this point? Because like I, 325 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: for me as like a millennial, like I get it, yes, 326 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 3: because that was like the first thing that we were 327 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 3: like Kenny G sucks. 328 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: Face forever I felt seen because I have a religious 329 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: devotion to Kenny g idol tootail that I just like 330 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: kind of brayed into the back of mine like a 331 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: paddle on. 332 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean what about Kenny G sort of 333 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: like encapsulated this for you? 334 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, so I had I had seen the documentary 335 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 5: Listening to Kenny G, which is really great. I mean 336 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: you have to actually listen to Kenny G music while 337 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 5: watching it. So that's like the bad, the downside of it. 338 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 5: But like it's really interesting because he seems very he's 339 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 5: very aware of his reputation as like someone who's made 340 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 5: millions and millions of millions of dollars because a certain 341 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 5: segment of the population at a certain period in time 342 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 5: was obsessed with him. And you know, my my, my mom, 343 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 5: she had several Kenny G albums. I had to listen 344 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 5: to that ship a lot, especially during the holidays because 345 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 5: like that was like peak Kenny G season and like 346 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: the mid to early nineties so smooth, so few few 347 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: genres as a whole, like just make my blood boil, 348 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 5: like smooth jazz. I hate it so much, Like it's 349 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 5: not it's not real jazz. It's not. 350 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's so sanitized. 351 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 5: Yet it's so But that's the point of the documentaries 352 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 5: that you have these music critics who are arguing, like 353 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 5: this is not he's like not playing real jazz, and 354 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 5: even he will admit, like, look, I know some people 355 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 5: don't like me, and I realized I'm a polarizing figure. 356 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 5: And he says, you know when I'm paraphrasing here, but 357 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: he says, you know, when someone says they you like something, 358 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 5: I like something, don't you, and that person says no, 359 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 5: I don't, then you take it really personal, as though 360 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 5: like they're saying something is wrong with you or something 361 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 5: bad about you. And that's kind of like how I 362 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: frame the essay, which is like I talk about stand 363 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 5: up and all that, but I also talk about sort 364 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 5: of how we also use these figures and these movies 365 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 5: and TV shows to sort of like assign value to 366 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 5: ourselves or make ourselves feel better about who we are. 367 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: And so like it's not just enough to really like 368 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 5: Beyonce's music, but you also have to feel as the 369 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 5: Beyonce represents your values, like as a as a moral 370 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 5: human being. And so when she's called out for using 371 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 5: the word spas in a song and then re sends it, 372 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 5: like that makes you feel good because you're like, oh, 373 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 5: she's listening, and like she's progressive and she understands these 374 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 5: things yea, and like same like with Taylor Switch when 375 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 5: like she finally stopped being well then she dated Matt 376 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 5: Healey apparently, but like whatever, before that, you know, she 377 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 5: was supporting democratic politicians and supporting queer rights, and when 378 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 5: that happened, it made her fans, many of them feel 379 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 5: better about themselves because they're like, oh, she she also 380 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 5: thinks like me. And I think that's just as much 381 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 5: of a trap in some ways as you know, being 382 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 5: just a religious fan of anyone, in part because it's 383 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 5: just like, yeah, I mean sure there are ways. There 384 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 5: are certain ways where you can assign like if someone 385 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 5: is listening to I don't know, I'm trying to think of, 386 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 5: like who's the like, are there any neo Nazi artists. 387 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure there are, like if they're like, if you're 388 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 5: listening to someone who has like neo Nazi traits, Oh, 389 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 5: I recently learned that like one of the members of 390 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 5: Ace of Base was like connected to neo Nazi. 391 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: Whatever kind of a wing at Nazism. 392 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but apparently he was like a 393 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 5: neo Nazier. I don't want him coming from it, but 394 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 5: like may have been associated or sympathized with that movement. 395 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 5: And if someone knows this and then like is like, 396 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 5: oh yeah, I still loves the Base, like, then you 397 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 5: might be like that's that's troubling. But I also don't 398 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 5: think that like it's it's it's just kind of it's 399 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 5: a slippery slope because not every artist, most artists, most 400 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: people are not going to have the same exact line 401 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 5: of values as you are, So like, I think it's 402 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 5: just like we shouldn't trap ourselves into like, you know, 403 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 5: I guess our Kelly would have better like if someone's 404 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 5: like fully supporting our Kelly, like in this day and age, 405 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: I'm going to look sideways at you and I'm probably 406 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 5: not going to like want to be around you, but 407 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 5: like at the same time, you know, I think most 408 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 5: artists are more complicated than that. And just the subscribing 409 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 5: of meaning it feels like play like, it feels like posturing, 410 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 5: and I don't like it. I wanted to just kind 411 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: of like like what we like and hate what we 412 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 5: hate and not always try to put deeper yeah, not 413 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 5: not put too much deeper meaning into it than that. 414 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's so many times too I'll hear a 415 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 3: song and then like someone's like, oh, you know that 416 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 3: person like was you know, it's like actually a monster, 417 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: And I'm like, what even know, Like an algorithm suggested 418 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: this song me and I liked it, but I also 419 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: get too a part of you is like you start thinking, 420 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 3: as a consumer, what's your role in that? But I 421 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 3: think the further point is, like I think for some 422 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: people the experience of music is probably the closest thing 423 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: we have to religion sometimes because people aren't. Ye, we're 424 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: so disconnected that I can tell. Like for me, when 425 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: I was just losing my shit to different music, it 426 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 3: was because it was I could say, like I was 427 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: envisioning myself like living out the lyrics or like the 428 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: beat was just like put me in a different zone 429 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: and things like that. And I think that's where it 430 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 3: kind of gets slippery, where you do begin to be 431 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: like this person can give bring this feeling out of me. 432 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: Therefore I'm going to like assign like all these higher 433 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: values to them or their persona because of like that connection. 434 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 3: And yeah, I think it does get a little It 435 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: can't get a little slippery at times if you're also 436 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 3: like you have to mirror every single value I have too, 437 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 3: because shit, I mean, I love jay Z, but I 438 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: hate capitalism. And he's told me, says day one, he 439 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: is a capitalist, and so I'm like, yeah, you know everything, 440 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: but that you know, crossing pit it lines and stuff, 441 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: you know. 442 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And to be clear, I don't think we 443 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 5: shouldn't critique those things. I'm just saying I don't think 444 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 5: it should be a like burn it all down situation 445 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 5: where you know, I think we should be able to 446 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 5: enjoy the music but also say, like, but this this 447 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 5: aspect of whatever they're saying or whoever they are, like 448 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 5: jay Z, you're even Beyonce, who look, I levet Beyonce, 449 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 5: but she's also just as much of a capitalist as 450 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 5: she is. You know, that is worth noting because it 451 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 5: also just it comes up in their music, so it's 452 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 5: impossible to separate the two. But yeah, I also don't 453 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: believe that we should just be like, oh, well, if 454 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 5: you like Beyonce, then you fully support capitalism, because it's like, no, 455 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 5: that's not how this works. 456 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's disconnected. It is that, you know, Kenny G's 457 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: music gets me outside of myself, gets me outside of 458 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: like time as normally experienced, which like that is something 459 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: that is being that needs to be a replaced. It's 460 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: like people used to have these religious services where they'd 461 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: all get together in community and you know, listen to 462 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: music and and yeah, meditate and like, so if I 463 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: because we're in this like hyper capitalist like cellular existence 464 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: as like individual nodes, and like there aren't that many 465 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: opportunities to get outside of ourselves. So like if Kenny 466 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: G does that for me, like you know, and I 467 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: didn't start listening to him because I knew that the 468 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: G stands for God. That realization came to me later, 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: like you know, years after. All Right, let's take a 470 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back, and I want to 471 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: talk to you about this quote where you talk about 472 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: inadvertent self formation by way of popular culture, which I 473 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: think is brilliant, and I want to talk about some 474 00:25:54,280 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: psychological archetypes. So we'll be right back, and we're back. 475 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: We're back, and Ayisha, So yeah, I read the quote. 476 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: But you talk about pop culture informing how we think 477 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: about ourselves, how we like shape ourselves. You kind of 478 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: run us through various pop culture figures who you modeled 479 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: your identity on as you were growing up. I've often 480 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: said on this show that Freud fucked up big time 481 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: by using ancient Greek myths instead of pop culture archetypes 482 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: from the nineties. I think he could have really made 483 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: a name for himself if he had just you know, 484 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: stuck to pop culture. But it does feel like there, Yeah, 485 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: these are the things that we should be like as 486 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: we're thinking about you know, where does this weird urge 487 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: come from? Two stand people? For instance? Like these are 488 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: the figures that I think actually exist in people's minds 489 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: and like deep in their unconscious. 490 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 3: Right, how would you how did you explain again this 491 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: concept of inadvertent self formation by way of popular culture. 492 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 5: Well, I think especially when we're just kids or adolescents, 493 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 5: we're not thinking deeply about what we're consuming, what we're 494 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 5: viewing or watching. We are just we're taking it in. 495 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 5: We're like a sponge, right, It's just everything affects us 496 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: and we don't necessarily know how to name it or 497 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: know how to identify it, and it comes out. And 498 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 5: how we talk to each other, how we think of ourselves, 499 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 5: how we see ourselves. I mean, I think about, you know, 500 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 5: growing up as a kid in the nineties and how 501 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 5: casual homophobic language is just like the thing that everyone did. 502 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: And if you go back and watch the movies that 503 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 5: we were all watching, whether it was like Acepure or 504 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: like the teen movies of it, Like there's all this 505 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 5: casual homophobia, you know, showing up there, and so you 506 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 5: don't realize until years later, or at least, I mean, 507 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 5: I'm sure plenty of actual queer people recognize it in 508 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 5: those moments. 509 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: You know. 510 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 5: I obviously it was never right or okay, and it 511 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: definitely was hurting people then. But I think, you know, 512 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 5: part of what growing up hopefully is means being able 513 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: to go back and sort of look at the things 514 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 5: that you took in when you were younger and understand 515 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 5: how they may have and may still be affecting how 516 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 5: you view things today. And so that's where the sort 517 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 5: of the idea of it being inadvertion comes from, is 518 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 5: because like it doesn't like sometimes it just happens to 519 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 5: you and then you have to later go back and realize, Okay, 520 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: how did this happening to me make me who I 521 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 5: am now? And a lot of it is sometimes like 522 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 5: going back and undoing, trying to undo what sort of 523 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 5: calcified in your mind and brain and how you relate 524 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: to things. Yeah, like it was. I'm pretty sure when 525 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: I was a kid, I probably use the F word, 526 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 5: the homophobic F word a couple times, because that's what 527 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 5: I you know, grew up around. So yeah, it's a 528 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: lot of undoing and trying to become better, hopefully if 529 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 5: you're able to go back and look at those things 530 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 5: and recognize those things. 531 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: I feel like so much of that debate now where 532 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 3: people are like it's true, woke are like people who 533 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 3: can't let go of Like, but my favorite movie is this, 534 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: and I have to say it's bad now if I agree, 535 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: and true, like how much we we take on shit 536 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: that we see in the media, especially in the age 537 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: before social media, Like I was, everyone's like looking for 538 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: something that might feel like them or could be them, 539 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: or something you could kind of just feel like aligned 540 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: with what were like the shows or works of media 541 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: that you kind of grasped and sort of ingested to 542 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: kind of become your personality. 543 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: You know. 544 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 5: I write in the book about what I called my 545 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: my Hoe phase and and you know, which lasted from 546 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 5: roughly my late teens to mid ish twenties, and how 547 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 5: I kind of had this idea of what I wanted 548 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 5: to be as a as a as a girl slash woman, 549 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 5: and how I related to men, boys and men, and 550 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 5: I thought that, you know, I had to be sort 551 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 5: of tomboy ish and the type of girl who could 552 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 5: hang with the guys, not necessarily, Like I never pretended 553 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 5: to like sports like that was never my Like sports 554 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 5: aren't my thing. I never pretended to do that, Like 555 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 5: it wasn't that. But you know, I'd use what I 556 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 5: liked movies, TV music to sort of signal, oh, I'm 557 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 5: like I'm cool, Like super Bad is one of my 558 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 5: favorite movies, Aren't I cool? It really is one of 559 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 5: my favorite movies. I love that movie. Uh, but like 560 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 5: I would play that up, or play you know, play 561 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 5: up the fact that you know, I was really into 562 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 5: I don't know, freaks and geeks or the wire whatever 563 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: as like the thing I put on my dating profiles, 564 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: and I saw like this vision of like wanting to 565 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 5: be closer to this idea of masculinity in a way 566 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: as a way of like shielding myself from getting hurt 567 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 5: by boys and men. And so I was very much 568 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 5: like Samantha Jones was my girl. I wanted to be 569 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 5: like her from Sex of City, Nola Darling and She's 570 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 5: Got to Have It, the nineteen eighty six film, not 571 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 5: the TV remake by Spike Lee, Like those were kind 572 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 5: of my you know, the badass women who fucked around 573 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 5: a lot, and like didn't like we're anti relationship, anti 574 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 5: getting too close to two men. That was kind of 575 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 5: what I clung to, and then over time I realized, 576 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 5: one that's reductive and also like at acting like a man, 577 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 5: thinking like a man and whatever this was before Steve Harvey, 578 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 5: I wasn't just like I'm not gonna just think like 579 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 5: a man, I'm gonna act like one too, fuck being 580 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 5: a lady. But like I once I realized that that 581 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 5: was all kind of a false dichotomy and that even 582 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 5: if you do act like that as a woman or 583 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 5: as a person who presents as a woman, like, you're 584 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 5: still gonna get the short of ends of the stick, 585 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 5: because like you're, you're still gonna get You're gonna be 586 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 5: slut shamed or you're gonna be you know, you're. It's 587 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 5: just there's no winning, and the idea of getting closer 588 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 5: like masculinity is not something at least that I want 589 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 5: to aspire to in the way that I conceived of it, 590 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 5: or that pop culture conceived of it, which was often 591 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: like the ladies man, whether it's Sam alone and cheers 592 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 5: or not, not that this like actually what I love about. 593 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 5: It's always Sundy Philadelphia, is that it's actually like critiquing 594 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 5: those things. But like I'm thing of Dennis and like 595 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 5: the dentist system and how like that is clearly something 596 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 5: to be. That's like being critiqued, this idea of masculine 597 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: men and what are those guys the pickup artists or 598 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 5: whatever like that? Yeah yeah, or the game or whatever. Yeah, yeah, 599 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 5: like that whole thing. I like, I thought that's what 600 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 5: I wanted to be, and then I realized it's all 601 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 5: it's all, it's all bullshit, it's all patriarchal, and I 602 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 5: had to sort of undo all of that mindset about 603 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 5: how to be a good person and how not to 604 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 5: be an asshole, because really I was just trying to 605 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 5: mimic not just not really masculinity per se, but just 606 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 5: like being an asshole, which is often assigned to men 607 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 5: and often seen as a good thing in men. 608 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: Jack de What what? 609 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: What TV people? 610 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: What media people shaped you over the years, because I 611 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: feel like I was always a loose collection of shit 612 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 3: I saw on TV. 613 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: In film, yeah, I mean Kenny g number one first 614 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: and foremost obviously influenced. I don't know if you've seen 615 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: pictures of me in fifth grade, but my hair was long, 616 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: kerned and always looked a little bit wet. I just 617 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: wore you know, dress shirts with a vest over top. 618 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 2: At all times, you know, I was. 619 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: I watched Jaws so many times before the age of 620 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: like six, that I think I was like a combination 621 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: of like Sheriff Brodie and Quint at various points are 622 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: like wanting to be that. And then also Rocky and 623 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: Karate Kid were the ones that I where I really 624 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: saw in like something about like the like I thought 625 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: it was cool to get your ass kicked. I think 626 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: other people like thought like yeah, like other other kids 627 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: would be like I'm into Bruce Lee or like somebody 628 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: who is famously an ass kicker. And the two characters 629 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: that I really loved were people who could like really 630 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: take a punch and just like keep getting back up 631 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: and so dog, yeah, the underdog who is just like 632 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: losing fights repeatedly. I also liked John McClain, who you know, 633 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: is just dragging his like broken body across broken glass 634 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: like by the end of that movie. Like so something 635 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: about that probably tied into the very strict Catholic app 636 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: upbringing that I had, you know, like some like weird 637 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: Mel Gibsonian like the Pasure. Yeah, yeah, Jack's sadism or 638 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: something was probably tied in there, but yeah, and then 639 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan came along and I was like I want 640 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: to be that. I want to be Michael Jordan, and 641 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: then went to like you know, early nineties hip hop, 642 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: and then I'd say like pop intellectuals and writer like 643 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: Hunter S. Thompson, even though I like didn't love his writing. 644 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: I was like, man, that guy's cool. I want to 645 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, drink and use drugs like the future doesn't 646 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: exist while still being respected as an intellectual and the Yeah, 647 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I feel like those were kind of the main ones 648 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: as I was like still forming myself. Yeah, I was 649 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: just so addicted to TV and like films that like 650 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: every time I saw something I could like find I 651 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: was like always looking for like identity in like film 652 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: like the things I was watching, and like one of 653 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: the earliest ones was like Goku and Dragon Ball. As 654 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: a kid, like I was just like, oh this, like 655 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: I felt like it was teaching me things about toughness. 656 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: And then then I want to be Michael Jordan, and 657 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: then I wanted to be Will Smith and Fresh Prince. 658 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: Then I was ace Ventura for about two years with 659 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: the way I spoke, like just like Pete annoying. 660 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 5: To every kid, every kid, every. 661 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: Kid I was. 662 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 2: I was alrighty then all that shit, yeah, I had. 663 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: I had specific friends I remember who were ace Venturer 664 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: for three years in a row, and they, in my memory, 665 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: the funniest kids I knew, people I've ever met were 666 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: totally co opted that ship. And I was like, this 667 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: man is a genius. 668 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then I was the Wayans brothers. I mean, 669 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 3: Marlin more than Sean because Marlon was a little more outgoing. 670 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: Then I was Tiger Woods because that was the first 671 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 3: time I saw a Blazian person like me on TV. 672 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, so I'm that and I 673 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: tried to play golf. That ship that was I was 674 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: never going anywhere. Then there was the rock shot at 675 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 3: another like vaguely blazing person. Then Puberty hit. It was 676 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 3: all wrapped. I was like jay Z, I was method man. 677 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 3: I was Pharrell because people are like you gotta you 678 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: could be like for I was like, yeah, thank you, 679 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you. I will not wear 680 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 3: trucker hats. I was wearing trucker hats and she should 681 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 3: have seen me in the early. 682 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 5: I wore trucker hats too, because it was it was 683 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 5: the odds. 684 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to, you had to, and at least 685 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: for me, I was like, that's a trucker hat. 686 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, but Pharrell wears one, so. 687 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 3: I guess yeah, right. I wasn't wearing Bond Dutch quite yet. 688 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 3: Then I was like, I love Tom Sizemore and saving 689 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: Pride Ryan for something that is so weird. It's because 690 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 3: he kept jack to your point, and the Goku thing. 691 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 3: He kept getting shot and he kept getting back up 692 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 3: in the moment, and I was like, yo yo. And 693 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 3: then my mom was like, there was a monk in 694 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 3: Japanese folklore called Benk who maybe you would be more 695 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 3: interested in. So then I got into figures like that. 696 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 3: But now I don't think I've moved on past Pharrell. 697 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: To be honest. 698 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is one of those things where, like 699 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: so much of my identity was being defined by the 700 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: media sadly, and I was taking cues, especially from like 701 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 3: the blackness that I saw on screen as some kind 702 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 3: of standard that I had to sort of uphold because 703 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: I was being fed in a very specific version of 704 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 3: like what black culture was via television and film, then 705 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: other versions from my family, and then other times also 706 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 3: being Asian, I felt like I was just kind of 707 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 3: like a punchline. So I was always kind of sifting 708 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: through media to try and give me something. 709 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that shit's cool on TV. 710 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 5: For you, Oh. 711 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how. 712 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, my cousins, my black cousins were immediately they're like 713 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: I was Jackie Chan from the second the first rush 714 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: Hour came out, or Blackie Chan with a lot of things, 715 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 3: and yeah, that was And at the time I was like, 716 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 3: or I would even you know, the thing is you 717 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: even point that inward and you're like telling other people. 718 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: You're like, I'm like rush Hour the person, you know 719 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 3: what I mean, and then take that because you'd rather 720 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 3: like you got laughs from that. But it's always interesting 721 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 3: how I was, like I was always using media sort 722 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 3: of like this touchstone to inform those things. 723 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 2: And again it was. 724 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: Like out of seeking some way of like finding myself, 725 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 3: but also like maybe inadvertent or maybe very intentional kind 726 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 3: of personality formation as I was doing that. 727 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like a very interesting way to 728 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: kind of just view the world and the cultural landscape 729 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,959 Speaker 1: as like these figures that people that like resonate and 730 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, they express some like you know that I 731 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: read this book when I was young about like how 732 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: movies are like cultural dreams. They're like expressing some something 733 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: from like our shared unconscious and you know, so obviously 734 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: they resonate and people pay money to see them, but 735 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: then they have this second life where they shape us 736 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: in the same way that like linguists talk about language 737 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: shaping everything we do because they like give us the 738 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: color palette that we are working with when we're like 739 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: trying to build the person that we want to be, 740 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: like how we talk, what we wear, how to like 741 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, hold our body posture wise. There's this crazy 742 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: story about how like Marlon Brando, characters like nobody in 743 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: the Mafia dressed like that until Marlon Brando did in 744 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: a movie and then they were just like, yo, that's me, 745 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 1: that is me, that is who I want to be. 746 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: And then they started dressing like that, and then that's 747 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: that's what we associate with, you know, people in the Mafia. 748 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: But it was like this invention by a great artist. 749 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so funny you brought that up, because I 750 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 5: did an entire I did like this deep dive episode 751 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 5: about The Godfather and how Italian Americans reacted to it, 752 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 5: And I learned that where it was just like they 753 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 5: were they the gangsters were imitating the movie version of themselves, 754 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 5: which is just such a great little anecdote and a 755 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 5: great example of how there's just this back and forth, 756 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 5: this cultural exchange between the language of the movies and 757 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 5: then the language of the people, and how they feed 758 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 5: into one another, and sometimes they become so blurred that 759 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 5: you don't know, it's like a chicken and egg situation, 760 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 5: like which actually came first? Like was this you know, 761 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 5: did this exist? 762 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 2: Was it? 763 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 5: You know? Was Marlon Brandall basing the character off of 764 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 5: a specific gangster, Humid, and then it just became sort 765 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 5: of the template for all these other gangsters. Yeah, it's 766 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 5: just it's so interesting to think about that, or even 767 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 5: something like I don't know, the Rachel haircut in the nineties, 768 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 5: how everyone wanted that. It's just like, what a weird time, 769 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 5: what a weird weird thing, how ingreat pop culture is 770 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 5: to all of us. 771 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like we see it now even 772 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 3: more right, especially like with in politics, like every like 773 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 3: especially with like when you look at the symbolism and 774 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 3: like the imagery the semiotics of like political factions. Now, 775 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 3: Like I feel like you see so many people on 776 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 3: the right, like far right, who are just they like 777 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: they love the Punisher, they love the Joker, and there's 778 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 3: like this weird like again there are people are finding 779 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 3: these archetypes again. Do I think maybe give even their 780 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 3: own like political battles, meaning you know what I mean, 781 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 3: like because it might not be enough for them to 782 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: be sort of get the picture because they're looking at 783 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 3: maybe their own situation, but they like they're saying like, Okay, 784 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,479 Speaker 3: I'm on this side of the fence plus Punisher. Oh yeah, 785 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 3: I like this, this is me. Now, this is me 786 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 3: the guy who is like just unhinged violent and feels 787 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 3: like that's the only way that can solve things, to 788 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 3: make people safe. 789 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think those two in particular are very like 790 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: powerful central sort of psychological archetypes that have really you know, 791 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: like back to Heath Ledger's Joker comes out at the 792 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: start of the Obama administration, and I think the like 793 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: resonated with people being like not everything's okay here, even 794 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: though kind of the mainstream media seemed to be like 795 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: we're good here, everything's good, right, history is over, and 796 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: then like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker comes out and like 797 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: adds what I think are two crucial ingredients that he 798 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: is an in cel and that he is like pointedly 799 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: not funny but wants to be funny, which I feel 800 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: like are two of the key features of a lot 801 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: of the people who identify with the joke and like that. Yeah. 802 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that character's been around and resonating for a 803 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: long time, but it just feels like it's really Yeah. Wait, 804 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: in the books that are written about our culture, there 805 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: probably won't be as many of them as we like 806 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: to think, but I feel like that there will be 807 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: a whole chapter on like the Joker and The Punisher 808 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: and shit like that. Unfortunately, yeah maybe just yeah. 809 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 3: Again, just shows how much meaning we like extract from 810 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 3: like our like our popular culture, because it wasn't like 811 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 3: no one's like going in history, right, Like I I 812 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 3: want to like I want to be William to comes 813 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 3: to Sherman or something like John Brown. 814 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 2: They're like, I want to be the Punisher. 815 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be Batman. 816 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 3: And you're like, oh shit, okay, so we've completely just 817 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 3: exchanged one for the other. But again has like that 818 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 3: same motivating force behind it. 819 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: I guess. Well. 820 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,760 Speaker 5: Also, like the meaning that is being extracted is often 821 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,320 Speaker 5: just like totally out of line of what the meaning 822 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 5: originally was or really is. Like when I think about 823 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 5: all the you know, the Bill Maher types who complain about, oh, 824 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 5: you can never get Blazing Saddles made today, it's like, okay, 825 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 5: but like Blazing Saddles is actually like a radical piece 826 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 5: of like. 827 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 2: Filmmaking, and they're just yeah. 828 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 5: And they're just like focused on Oh, well they you know, 829 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 5: they're they're using the N word or or whatever whatever. 830 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 5: Actually I don't even remember if the N word is us. 831 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,280 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It's like they are taking the wrong 832 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 5: takeaways from that movie to prove their point. But really 833 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 5: it's just like that movie was, like maybe it wouldn't 834 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 5: have been made today. But also like most people who 835 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 5: are actually like liberals, the ones you are fighting against, 836 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 5: they would argue that Blazing Sddles is actually really great 837 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 5: because it's way more transgressive than an episode of Family 838 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 5: Guy or whatever. Like it's yeah. 839 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: We wouldn't let you Bill Maher remake that would suck 840 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: and you would do a bad job. All right, let's 841 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: take one more break and we'll be right back. And 842 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: we're back, and I wanted to talk to you finally 843 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: about the chapter This is Ip That Never Ends, which 844 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: you open talking about what I think is one of 845 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: the more significant movies of the past like a couple decades, 846 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: which is the Lion King live action remake, And that 847 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: movie jumps out at me when you look at the 848 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: list of the top grossing films of all time, it's 849 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: in the top ten. But it's like a movie that 850 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: didn't really like all the other movies on there, resonated 851 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,359 Speaker 1: and like had these cultural ripples and like you saw 852 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: like Halloween costumes or whatever, and it felt like the 853 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,120 Speaker 1: Lion King movie, Like not a lot of people came 854 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: away from that movie and were like great job, no notes, 855 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 1: but it was it was a massive Like it wasn't successful. 856 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 1: I guess this is this is the thing that makes 857 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: it stand out for me from the rest of the movies, 858 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: and like the top twenty top grossing movies of all 859 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: time is that it was not successful as a movie, 860 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: but it was extremely successful as a marketing like event basically, 861 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 1: And like I feel like we saw the same thing 862 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: with like the Jurassic World franchise where it's like the premise, 863 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: the promise of this movie, the trailer are all like 864 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: they're really brilliant works of marketing. They make all the 865 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: sense as a marketing offering to a consumer, but like 866 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: the product doesn't follow through in a way that is 867 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: like culturally lasting. But because we live in a world 868 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: of like you know, where capitalism is kind of the 869 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: ultimate score that we're keeping, then we just like notched 870 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: them as a w and kind of move on. But yeah, 871 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what made you kind of want 872 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: to open that chapter talking about the Lion King live 873 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,280 Speaker 1: action remake? 874 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 5: Well, I, first of all, I did not realize it 875 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 5: was like now in the top ten. But obviously that's 876 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 5: account like I'm assuming that's not accounting for inflator or 877 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 5: it's counting for inflation and not like actual number of 878 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,280 Speaker 5: tickets sold. But so yeah, the thing about The Lion 879 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 5: King is unlike it's other Disney's other live action remakes 880 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 5: and the ones that they have already made, the ones 881 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 5: that they are going to continue to turn out, that 882 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 5: movie has all animals. There are no human characters, and 883 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 5: so this movie was advertised it's like, look at how realistic. 884 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,439 Speaker 5: This is look at how it basically it really did 885 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 5: look like an episode of Planet Earth. Like that's how 886 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 5: quote unquote good the animation the CGI was, but good 887 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 5: for who? Because you know, the nineteen ninety four version 888 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 5: of Lion King is a classic in part because the 889 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 5: animation is so rich, richly drawn. They the character, the 890 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 5: animals have facial expressions you can understand like they are connected. 891 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 5: Their bodies and the way their bodies move are connected 892 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 5: to their emotions and their feelings. It is animated, It 893 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 5: is actually animated. And what we got with the Lion 894 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 5: King was a sort of dead eyed reminded me of 895 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 5: polar express like why are we doing this? There's nothing here? 896 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 5: And I think, to me, I wanted to focus on 897 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 5: that in part because it was so stark, how much 898 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 5: of a cash grab this was, and how Disney can 899 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 5: you know, say, until it's blow in the face that 900 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 5: it like wants to update these stories for new audiences 901 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 5: and blah blah blah. I mean, you just know that 902 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 5: we already know this property exists, we know the music, 903 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 5: we know the songs. You throw in Beyonce and Donald 904 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 5: Glover and people are gonna go see it. The artistic aspirations, 905 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 5: whatever they are, they do not play out for me, 906 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 5: at least on the screen, And so I wanted to 907 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 5: use it as a jumping off point to sort of 908 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 5: examine how we are just drowning in all of this 909 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 5: ip enfranchise bs for the most part in ways that 910 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 5: just feels suffocating and cyclical and as though we're like 911 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 5: never gonna get off this hamster wheel. It's interesting because, 912 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,839 Speaker 5: like that essay, I mean, this entire book goes through 913 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 5: down a lot of rabbit holes. But I was not 914 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 5: expecting when I started writing the essay that I was 915 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 5: going to wind up like quoting Nietzsche. But here we were, 916 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,720 Speaker 5: you know, in this idea of like us not being 917 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,759 Speaker 5: willing to reckon with like things ending and having an end. 918 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 5: And I hire shows or movies that exist like as 919 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 5: a single thing without having to be resurrected in any way. 920 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: You know. 921 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 5: Obviously pop culture has always had, you know, resurrections and 922 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 5: reboots like, not that this is a new thing at all. 923 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 5: And I explain that in the essay, like I go 924 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,879 Speaker 5: all the way back to the Silent era, where there 925 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 5: were remakes of Cecil b. DeMille, the filmmaker made like 926 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,879 Speaker 5: three or four different versions of the same movie over 927 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 5: the course of his career, so it's not like this 928 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 5: is new, but it has definitely reached its like suffocation 929 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 5: level of like this is all Hywood seems to be 930 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 5: focused on is recreating and rehashing its old ideas because 931 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 5: that's what's the easiest to get butts in seats. And 932 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 5: I'm kind of sick of it and for every like 933 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 5: Spider Man across the universe where it's like, hell, yeah, 934 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 5: this is this is good, Like this is great, even 935 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 5: there's plenty of Ghostbuster twenty sixteens or you know, offering 936 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 5: all those busters or Arrested Development like on Netflix, which 937 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 5: was just like a terrible Like. 938 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 3: I just I couldn't even do that where it's my 939 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 3: favorite season, my favorite season. 940 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 1: I listened to that. I listened to Kenny g while 941 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,880 Speaker 1: watching that. It's nice because the words don't clash with 942 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: the music, so you can kind of have just an 943 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: overall yeah, no, it's it's a weird. It's you do 944 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,839 Speaker 1: a good job of describing like that, what the experience 945 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,880 Speaker 1: was for people watching season four of Arrested Development interesting 946 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: like this, they're the same characters, but like just everything 947 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,680 Speaker 1: seems like a little bit off. 948 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, and way longer, Like they need those episodes longer 949 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 5: than they ever needed to be because it was on Netflix. 950 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, like we can be wacky, man, what about a 951 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,600 Speaker 2: forty five minute one? 952 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:54,000 Speaker 1: Who cares? 953 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 3: It's also just hard as a consumer, right because like 954 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 3: we talk about this all the time on the show 955 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,320 Speaker 3: of like just how like in the nineties, when development 956 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 3: people became all the marketing people at the studios, the 957 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 3: emphasis just became about like raw numbers, and like imagination 958 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 3: was kicked to the curb. And even now, like knowing that, 959 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 3: I'm still susceptible to them the studios basically being like, Hey, 960 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,719 Speaker 3: the McRib is back, and I'm like, what a new 961 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 3: Jurassic Park movie? And I know it's not gonna come 962 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,439 Speaker 3: close to the fucking the first hit a Jurassic Park 963 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 3: I took in nineteen ninety three. 964 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: It's not even gonna come close but that high. 965 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm chasing the proverbial dragon or dinosaur in 966 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 3: this case, Yeah, because it. 967 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: Stands out to me as like a real like it 968 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: could have if they had the right people, like the 969 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: dinosaurs at a park and like the park is now 970 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,520 Speaker 1: full of people or the last one, the third in 971 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: the Jurassic World trilogy, where the dinosaurs are close in 972 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: the world, Like, those are amazing premises for films that 973 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: it feels like they were just like yeah, but the 974 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: marketing is gonna crush, so we actual we don't have 975 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,320 Speaker 1: to worry about making them like great films. 976 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 3: You guys want to go to Italy, Why don't we 977 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 3: say they're in the mountains in Italy? 978 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 2: So I was like, what, they're in the Dolomites. 979 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: Yes. 980 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 981 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 5: The other issue with like that specific example of Jurassic 982 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 5: Park is that like the new one, the CGI, like 983 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 5: it doesn't even come close to feeling as real and 984 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 5: terrifying as the first movie. Like I can still watch 985 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,840 Speaker 5: the first movie and when those kids are trapped in 986 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 5: that truck and it's like literally you can feel it 987 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,200 Speaker 5: breathing on you. Oh yes, these new CGI ones just 988 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 5: don't I sound like such a fogie like there these 989 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,799 Speaker 5: kids these days? Blah blah blah. But really, I think 990 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,120 Speaker 5: we reached a tipping point at some point, Like maybe 991 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 5: it was Avatar where it's like it's just like, you know, 992 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,080 Speaker 5: he did James Cameron did Avatar, and then everyone decided 993 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 5: like we're gonna go all in, but no one can 994 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 5: do it quite as good. We're even close as good 995 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 5: as James Cameron. So now we get all it's really 996 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 5: shitty CGI that like doesn't feel real and doesn't feel 997 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 5: like you're experiencing like it's just so flattening, and. 998 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 1: Learned the exact wrong lesson from that. Yeah, yeah, I 999 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480 Speaker 1: mean yeah, like to your point, this has been going 1000 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: on for years, Like the theater world has been putting 1001 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,280 Speaker 1: different versions of the same classic plays on for years. 1002 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 1: Nobody decries the cynicism of that. I have in the 1003 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: past been like what if we treated you know, superhero 1004 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: movies the way that the theater treats Shakespeare plays, and like, 1005 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, if it takes you forty two Spider Man's 1006 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,799 Speaker 1: to get to across the Spider verse, so be it. 1007 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 1: But it like, yeah, the thing where Miles, as you said, 1008 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: like the development got taken over by the marketing people. 1009 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: It feels like you're actually able to feel that. And 1010 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,120 Speaker 1: now the movies in the top ten, top twenty are 1011 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: being taken over by these movies that like the you know, 1012 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: they're directed by the studio, like they you know, they 1013 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,800 Speaker 1: just they it's it's all based on like different moments 1014 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: that you can put in a trailer, and we're trending 1015 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: in like a just a very flattened direction, to use 1016 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,680 Speaker 1: your word, Ayisha. I guess the other possibility is movies 1017 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: are just not the art form going forward, and all 1018 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: the artistry and storytelling is gonna go into video games. 1019 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: But I will refuse to acknowledge that idea because I 1020 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,800 Speaker 1: don't play video games that much except for your switch 1021 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,920 Speaker 1: that you except for my Switch, which I love and 1022 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: play all the time. 1023 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,760 Speaker 5: Wow jamming out to Kenny and with the rest development 1024 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:38,360 Speaker 5: in the background. 1025 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I think, I mean it does make me wonder. 1026 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,479 Speaker 3: Like I think that's why everything everywhere all at once. 1027 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,440 Speaker 3: I think was such a tonic for people because I 1028 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,919 Speaker 3: think so many of us aret this place. 1029 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, already seen this movie. 1030 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, on some level, we like I feel so many times, 1031 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 3: even when I went to go see Across the Spider Verse, 1032 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 3: you see some trailers, I'm like, already see this, Like, 1033 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,799 Speaker 3: I mean, I know I haven't seen this, but I've 1034 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 3: already seen this, and and again, like it's just all 1035 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 3: about these like laser guided money making hits that aren't 1036 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 3: necessarily like they just know that there's certain levers. It's 1037 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 3: like I'll pull the celebrity lever because if I put 1038 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 3: the right mix of celebrities in this certain ip which 1039 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 3: I know people just they don't care whatever it is, 1040 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 3: they want to be there. Then we have these quote 1041 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 3: unquote movies that do well while completely just you know, 1042 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 3: they don't they don't satisfy like our appetite for something 1043 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 3: like imaginative. Yeah, and like you'd think maybe now the 1044 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,240 Speaker 3: cynical like the cynicism of studio would be like what 1045 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 3: if we just did like wacky stuff, man, like everything 1046 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 3: everywhere is like that just that blew people's minds. 1047 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: But that might be a bridge too far for. 1048 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,120 Speaker 5: That, I mean, but then then of course that's that's 1049 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 5: the problem though, is that often they the studios will 1050 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 5: try to recreate in everything everywhere at once, or like 1051 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,480 Speaker 5: think of all the the movies we've movies and shows 1052 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,960 Speaker 5: you've seen posts get out where I'm just like, right, 1053 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 5: m no, you're not doing it as good as you 1054 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 5: know the rest, Like you. 1055 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 2: Know, we're talking about the same stuff kind of yeah. 1056 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is marketing. That is how marketing operates is 1057 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: by imitating things that already work. You can't. You can't 1058 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,040 Speaker 1: invest in something unless you have like a proven track 1059 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: record and like a deck with you know, metrics that 1060 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: show that this like connected with people, And therefore you'll 1061 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: never get As long as marketing is running development, you 1062 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 1: will not get anything that has like a truly lasting impact. 1063 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,479 Speaker 1: You might have to start playing video games and get 1064 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 1: used to subtitles because the movies coming from non English 1065 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: speaking countries. 1066 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 2: Are really great. 1067 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah have you seen it? I finally saw Past Lives 1068 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: this weekend, so good, highly recommend. Yeah, I enjoyed that. 1069 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: All right, Well, Ayisha, thank you so much for coming 1070 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,040 Speaker 1: and talking to us about your amazing new book. Where 1071 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,240 Speaker 1: can people find you find? And anything else you'd like 1072 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: to mention about the book? 1073 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, go check it out. It's it's everywhere everywhere you 1074 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,479 Speaker 5: get books. Go to your local bookstore. Get it because 1075 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 5: I like to support the local indies. Also, I have 1076 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,920 Speaker 5: an audio version I recorded by myself and you can 1077 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 5: amazing check that out. I do a okay impression of 1078 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 5: Dave Chappelle, so like, look for that if you if 1079 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,400 Speaker 5: you're if you're curious about it, and yeah, you can 1080 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 5: find me as I'm sure everyone says. For now on 1081 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 5: Twitter at crafting my style on Instagram at AHA number 1082 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 5: eighty eight. And I'm now in Blue Sky, not really 1083 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 5: posting too much because like it's it's a place where 1084 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,479 Speaker 5: things are still figuring themselves out. But I'm on Blue 1085 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 5: Sky at just Aisha Harris. Yeah, that's that's oh. And 1086 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 5: of course in pr howcoult your happy hour? There you go, Yeah, 1087 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:56,680 Speaker 5: come listen to us. 1088 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for taking the time and 1089 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,600 Speaker 1: for writing this book. 1090 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. 1091 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: This was awesome and we're back. What a fun interview. 1092 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Miles the time size more revelation. 1093 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,200 Speaker 3: I I look, I think I also, I too wanted 1094 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 3: to get my ass kicked and still be standing like. 1095 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 1: You, Yeah, listeners, let us know anybody else like just 1096 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: really fantasizing about getting the shit kicked out of you. 1097 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: I just like there was that. 1098 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 3: And also that Jetly movie Hero there's like the I 1099 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,560 Speaker 3: think the last scene he's like facing down a wall 1100 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,840 Speaker 3: of arrows. Yeah, and like it's like the last scene 1101 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 3: I think, and obviously like he dies, but I was like, 1102 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 3: that's tight, bro. 1103 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,160 Speaker 1: I was like one of the most iconic figures of 1104 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 1: culture of the past, like thirty forty years is Scarface 1105 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: and he goes out in a hill like it is taking, 1106 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: Like they just invent a rule that you were impervious 1107 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,000 Speaker 1: to the first like forty five bullets when you're the 1108 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,720 Speaker 1: highest anyone's ever been on cocaine. They're like, yeah, that's 1109 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 1: and I think everyone was like, Okay, that makes sense. 1110 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's something there that we've identified. 1111 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,560 Speaker 1: We'll keep mind, always be standing, always be standing, will 1112 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: always take a punch, but for at least thirty five 1113 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,920 Speaker 1: seconds and then we'll fall into a giant fountain and 1114 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: float face down. But that was fun. Another piece of 1115 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: information to producer justin let us know that apparently the 1116 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:24,120 Speaker 1: SIMS video game now like when you hit a certain level, 1117 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,440 Speaker 1: you can could be a rand game. Yeah you have 1118 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: to you Stan like, yeah, it just shows you how 1119 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 1: that evolution went from like that's not a good thing 1120 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 1: to now like it's aspirational. Yeah, what I would do. 1121 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:39,640 Speaker 2: For a stand? 1122 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 1: And also I wanted to well, we'll have to have 1123 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,480 Speaker 1: aisha back on. I wanted to dig into, like what 1124 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: who are the pop culture like icons right now? Like 1125 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Drake is mining some weird like sad fuck boy energy 1126 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 1: that I feel like I see in a lot of people. 1127 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: These days. Pete Davidson is like an archetype that was 1128 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: like he spoke into existence or something like that. Like 1129 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,440 Speaker 1: I see a lot of Davidson's out there around. But 1130 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,080 Speaker 1: what a fun conversation. We are going to take one 1131 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: more break. We're gonna come back and we are going 1132 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:30,840 Speaker 1: to talk to Christi Yamagucci man And we're back and 1133 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,960 Speaker 1: it's time for us to call up one of you listeners. 1134 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 1: It could be anyone right now. We don't know, we 1135 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,720 Speaker 1: don't know. Let's pick from the from this pile of 1136 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 1: submissions and would you look at that easy top hat? 1137 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 2: Uh? Is it Christi Yamagucci Mane. Okay, I think we're 1138 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 2: gonna call. Let's call Christy. 1139 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Get this man on the horn. 1140 01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:01,240 Speaker 3: Justin please get Christi Yamagucci Mane on the line. 1141 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:08,840 Speaker 2: Hello, Oh hey guys, what's up. This is so normal, 1142 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,880 Speaker 2: This is so organic, This is so not scripted. Wow, 1143 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 2: I actually knew it was. 1144 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Y'all. 1145 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,920 Speaker 7: Do you realize that it says the Daily Zeitgeist like 1146 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 7: on the caller idea. 1147 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we call from the big red phone in 1148 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,440 Speaker 1: the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 1149 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,240 Speaker 2: Was surprised by that. But thanks for giving me a call. 1150 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 2: Christy Yamagucci Mane a k A. Willie. Uh, you said 1151 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 2: we could. We're going to use your government name today. 1152 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 3: I told you, I you know, I'm more comfortable with 1153 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,320 Speaker 3: Sir Yamagucci Maine, Sire Yamaguchi Maine Esquire. But I guess 1154 01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 3: we'll call you Willy today. Thank you for. 1155 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 1: Expert of the AKA game. Christy Yamagucci Mane AKA will 1156 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,080 Speaker 1: feels like it's like brilliantly anti clinat. 1157 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,000 Speaker 2: It's very it's very lackluster. 1158 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,280 Speaker 7: It's like when you find out like John Wayne's real 1159 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,080 Speaker 7: name or some shit, you know, like like some some 1160 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 7: really cool stage name and then you find out their 1161 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 7: real name is Bob or something. 1162 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was this? 1163 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,040 Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, Marion, Robert Morrison. 1164 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, John Way, that explained so much about him. 1165 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,520 Speaker 2: Doesn't have the same gusto as John Wayne. 1166 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,440 Speaker 7: In my mind, it's a cool name on its own. 1167 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Marian though. Yeah. 1168 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, man, we wanted to talk to you, obviously, 1169 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,720 Speaker 3: because we're asking our listeners. We wanted to hear from 1170 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 3: people with interesting jobs. I know you like from the 1171 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,360 Speaker 3: what you post. You wear many hats And when we 1172 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,240 Speaker 3: were talking before, I was like, well, you hit us 1173 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,960 Speaker 3: up about a your work out of car dealership, your 1174 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 3: time as a repo man, your time as a wedding 1175 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 3: efficient which like car lot and wedding efficient are your 1176 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,040 Speaker 3: two primary occupations. 1177 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 7: Before before you get me canceled or anything, I was 1178 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,480 Speaker 7: the repo guy for like a year and a half, 1179 01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,600 Speaker 7: a long time ago. Damn yer, seventeen years ago. Now. 1180 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I do wear many hats. I'm a bald boy 1181 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,479 Speaker 2: like you, Miles. I gotta keep the people the sun 1182 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 2: off of it, you know. 1183 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,320 Speaker 7: But yeah, for the past thirteen years or so, I've 1184 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 7: worked at a car dealership detailed cars, just full recon Basically, 1185 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,480 Speaker 7: if you trade your car in, it goes through me. 1186 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,680 Speaker 7: I do everything to the car that needs to be done, 1187 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 7: unless it's like heavy duty paint work and body work, 1188 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:22,400 Speaker 7: then we. 1189 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:23,919 Speaker 2: Have an in house body guy. 1190 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 7: But yeah, I basically try to make your car look 1191 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,200 Speaker 7: as good as new before we stick it back on 1192 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 7: our lot so we can get as much money for 1193 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 7: it and ruin everybody's ability to go buy cars right 1194 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 7: now because the market is absolutely stupid. 1195 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, use cars. Yes. 1196 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,760 Speaker 7: So in addition to that, I've been a wedding efficiant. 1197 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 7: I think this is let me do them. This is 1198 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 7: gonna be the seventeenth year I'm coming up on having 1199 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,920 Speaker 7: done weddings. So a friend of mine, good friend of 1200 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 7: mine that I went to high school with, he was 1201 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,320 Speaker 7: getting married and he asked me to be the efficiant 1202 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,240 Speaker 7: because of my beard, literally because of my beard. 1203 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 2: That was I swear to God that was. 1204 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:06,919 Speaker 1: Something. 1205 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,520 Speaker 2: No, it was, it was not that. 1206 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 7: It was just basically they they went and got the 1207 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 7: marriage license ahead of time and got married actually in 1208 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,920 Speaker 7: a coffee shop that they met in. They they actually 1209 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 7: exchanged the legal vows, and then when they did the 1210 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:25,160 Speaker 7: wedding for their friends and family in downtown Wilmington, they 1211 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680 Speaker 7: had me be the officiant. But they were like, yeah, 1212 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,440 Speaker 7: your beard looks official. Well we want you to do it. 1213 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,720 Speaker 7: We want you to stand up there. So that's why 1214 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,120 Speaker 7: they asked me. And you know, I've always played music. 1215 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,920 Speaker 7: I've always been you know, I love a good karaoke night. 1216 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,919 Speaker 7: I don't mind having a microphone in my hand and 1217 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,920 Speaker 7: being in front of people, and so it kind of 1218 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,920 Speaker 7: was just a natural pairing. I kept after after I 1219 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 7: did that first one, I kept having people ask me 1220 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 7: about about doing theirs, and then that branch. 1221 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,320 Speaker 1: Murmur throughout the wedding, people being like, damn, look at 1222 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: that guy's beard. We got to remarry exactly. 1223 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,760 Speaker 7: We need to do a vow renewal, we need to 1224 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 7: do a commitment ceremony. 1225 01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,440 Speaker 2: We got to have this guy do this for us. 1226 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,280 Speaker 7: But uh, yeah, that's uh, that's essentially what happened is 1227 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,360 Speaker 7: my friends. You know that that wave of friends you 1228 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,560 Speaker 7: have in there in your mid twenties, that everybody starts 1229 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 7: getting married, and suddenly they all had somebody that they 1230 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,240 Speaker 7: knew that they had a personal relationship with that was 1231 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 7: willing to do it. And so I went and got 1232 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,640 Speaker 7: ordained and like made sure all the paperwork was squared away, 1233 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 7: and uh and there you go. It's just non stopped 1234 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,479 Speaker 7: since then. And it's it's my side gig, as most 1235 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 7: millennials have one of those these these days. I do 1236 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 7: the car dealership five days a week, you know, it's 1237 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,560 Speaker 7: kind of like bankers hours, and then on the weekends 1238 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 7: or in the evenings during the summertime, especially when people 1239 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,880 Speaker 7: are eloping down here. I live at the beach, so 1240 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,800 Speaker 7: it's a it's blown up as far as a wedding destination. 1241 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,919 Speaker 7: Over the past, however, many years I stay as busy 1242 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,920 Speaker 7: with it as I want to turn down just as 1243 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,439 Speaker 7: many weddings as I accept. At this point, and I'm 1244 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,920 Speaker 7: at about forty forty five weddings a year, I'd. 1245 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Say, holy shit, And do you ever just like kind 1246 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,000 Speaker 1: of they happen upon two people who look like they're 1247 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: in love and you're like, hey, you know what I 1248 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:14,520 Speaker 1: do for a living. 1249 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 2: Here's my car? Yeah, so y'all on Twitter? Uh So 1250 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:19,280 Speaker 2: I have. 1251 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,760 Speaker 7: I have jokingly said that to people that I've met 1252 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,760 Speaker 7: who I know are on a date or something. You know, Hey, 1253 01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,240 Speaker 7: just if you ever need my services in the future, 1254 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,639 Speaker 7: you know, and drop my name to them. 1255 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I kind of have done that. 1256 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,960 Speaker 3: So what would you say, in your infinite wisdom of 1257 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,280 Speaker 3: doing all these weddings? What kind of what kind of 1258 01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 3: advice do you offer people from your efficient perspective, Like 1259 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,960 Speaker 3: what do you see couples get wrong? Or what what 1260 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,680 Speaker 3: do you wish people knew going into planning a ceremony 1261 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 3: to just to give a little insider tips wisdom. 1262 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,000 Speaker 7: If you're going to have a friend do your ceremony, 1263 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,720 Speaker 7: make sure the efficiant gets out of the way for 1264 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 7: the kiss. 1265 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is the number one. 1266 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,720 Speaker 7: Thing that I steak that I see couples do are 1267 01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 7: mistakes made at couple of ceremonies who have like a 1268 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 7: friend of the family or a relative of theirs, that 1269 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,719 Speaker 7: they want to perform the ceremony to go. 1270 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Face in between and take a kiss on either cheek. 1271 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:18,640 Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly like a surprise me. It happened to 1272 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,160 Speaker 2: me one time early on. 1273 01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 7: My big stupid face was right smack dab in the 1274 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,960 Speaker 7: middle of the of all of their kisses the frame, 1275 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:33,200 Speaker 7: and I was you looked horny and it was uncontrollably horny. 1276 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 2: My hand was on both of their asses. That did 1277 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 2: not help, did not beat those allegations. 1278 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 7: But yeah, that is the number one thing I would 1279 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,760 Speaker 7: say is always remember when when your your guests are 1280 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,840 Speaker 7: standing for the bride to come in, always have the 1281 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 7: officiant tell them to sit down, and always remember to 1282 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,040 Speaker 7: step out of the way when you say, uh, ladies 1283 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,760 Speaker 7: and gentlemen, friends of family, it's my unique honor of 1284 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,280 Speaker 7: privilege to present you for the very first time his 1285 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,000 Speaker 7: husband and wife. Mister and missus, you may kiss your bride. 1286 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,719 Speaker 7: You get out of the way of all the photos. 1287 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Any anything from the repo mandates or from car detailing 1288 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,320 Speaker 1: like anything. That is an easy way to spruce up 1289 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: your car and make it look like it's brand new. 1290 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,800 Speaker 7: So I would say some advice I would give you 1291 01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,880 Speaker 7: is if your car shopping, there are some very easy 1292 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,800 Speaker 7: giveaways to find it. First of all, the carfax thing 1293 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,280 Speaker 7: that you see on windshields, it's all bullshit, like, don't 1294 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,080 Speaker 7: don't listen to them when they say, oh, it's got 1295 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,439 Speaker 7: a clean carfax, you have no idea. A very easy 1296 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,800 Speaker 7: way of uh, there's you can go online and see 1297 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,320 Speaker 7: what I'm talking about. But there are clues as far 1298 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,439 Speaker 7: as what the paint looks like what's called the orange peel, 1299 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,120 Speaker 7: which is the texture of the on two stage paint. 1300 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,519 Speaker 7: You've got your base and then you've got your clear 1301 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,080 Speaker 7: and the base is going to have this like texture 1302 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 7: to it. And if that texture is wildly different from 1303 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,800 Speaker 7: the other paint, even if it matches pretty close in color, 1304 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,599 Speaker 7: that's a strong almost like one hundred percent sign that 1305 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,920 Speaker 7: there's been body work done to those panels, so you 1306 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,080 Speaker 7: know it's at least been in a wreck. So then 1307 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 7: you need to definitely have it inspected by an outside 1308 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 7: mechanic and say, hey, pretty sure there's been damage on 1309 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,920 Speaker 7: this quarter panel right here or this back bumper. Can 1310 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,880 Speaker 7: you just take a look at the frame, make sure, 1311 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,240 Speaker 7: you know, spend the few bucks if you're in the 1312 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,120 Speaker 7: market for something. 1313 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:24,719 Speaker 2: That's what I would say. 1314 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 7: As far as driving crazy stuff that I've found on 1315 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,120 Speaker 7: the car lot, I mean, I've found just not I 1316 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:38,120 Speaker 7: found electronics. You know, we found iPods and iPads and 1317 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,000 Speaker 7: cell phones and stuff like that, but that just the 1318 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 7: typical stuff that people forget in their cars when they 1319 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,200 Speaker 7: go to trade them in. Found money and there before, 1320 01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 7: like wads of cash hidden in like little compartments, but 1321 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,840 Speaker 7: nothing crazy good, you know, no serious drugs that I 1322 01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,280 Speaker 7: could have flipped and made any money off of, you know. 1323 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,759 Speaker 1: Right, I feel like that's good advice just in general. 1324 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,280 Speaker 1: Is like I'm always way more confident that I'm going 1325 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,679 Speaker 1: to remember where I hid something and that I hid 1326 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 1: something exactly like, well, gotta be safe, so I'm gonna 1327 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,799 Speaker 1: put this thing like a in a side panel. 1328 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,240 Speaker 7: We're not We're actually not very different from the squirrels, 1329 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,799 Speaker 7: Isn't that the whole thing? They like, they hide stuff everywhere, 1330 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 7: and then that's how trees. 1331 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Grew because they find. 1332 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,559 Speaker 7: Yeah, they can't remember that shit from the repoing days. 1333 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,599 Speaker 7: So again I have to reiterate, I'm not this person anymore. 1334 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 7: Don't don't cancel me. I didn't have the class for 1335 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:36,679 Speaker 7: the Democratic Party. 1336 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,559 Speaker 2: Okay, you know, fucking we row exactly exactly. Me and 1337 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,639 Speaker 2: Miles are on the same page. 1338 01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,559 Speaker 7: He worked for the Democratic Party, and I used to 1339 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 7: legally steal people's cars. 1340 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,680 Speaker 3: Okay, wait, break down, break down though the repo the 1341 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,760 Speaker 3: connection between like in your specific situation you were telling 1342 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,840 Speaker 3: me earlier about like the business of this car a 1343 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 3: lot and where you come in as a as a 1344 01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,120 Speaker 3: repo person. 1345 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,080 Speaker 7: So the economics of this specific car lot, this car 1346 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 7: lot had like a bad reput still does, it's still around, 1347 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,240 Speaker 7: They're still wildly successful. And this was again like seventeen 1348 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 7: years ago, I think, going on, I was around twenty 1349 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:17,400 Speaker 7: years old that I repod. But essentially when you would go, 1350 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,519 Speaker 7: you know, you see tho these little rock lots and 1351 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 7: it has like you know, twenty two hundred dollars down, 1352 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 7: thirty five hundred dollars down, drive off the day, right, 1353 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,439 Speaker 7: that's all the money they have in it. So the 1354 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,559 Speaker 7: moment you make that down payment and you drive off, 1355 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,000 Speaker 7: they have broken even so any payments you make after 1356 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 7: that it's just profit. It is just money, is just 1357 01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,600 Speaker 7: gravy from them on then of course the financing, you 1358 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,840 Speaker 7: know that they it's it's not just the payment, but 1359 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,479 Speaker 7: they're making money off of the financing. And there was 1360 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,080 Speaker 7: one of those buy here, pay here situations. And so 1361 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,960 Speaker 7: if you got your car repod, if you stopped making 1362 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,439 Speaker 7: payments and you got your car repode, you either showed 1363 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 7: up the next day or the next few days and 1364 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,840 Speaker 7: caught all the payments up, which again is just pure profit. 1365 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,040 Speaker 7: They just turned around and sold the car again. They 1366 01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,240 Speaker 7: still held the title, so they they were selling the 1367 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 7: same car over and over like on multiple occasions where 1368 01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 7: people would would buy a ride, not not make the 1369 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,360 Speaker 7: payments after a few months, and then they would they would, 1370 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,120 Speaker 7: you know, we'd find it, bring it back. They would 1371 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,120 Speaker 7: clean it up, you know, maybe pay like a small 1372 01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,640 Speaker 7: detail fee to someone and then stick it back on 1373 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:25,000 Speaker 7: the lot. 1374 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Wait, how would you take the car like with the 1375 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,080 Speaker 3: tow truck or did you you were like bust. 1376 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,240 Speaker 7: So if there was a towards the end of the 1377 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:32,680 Speaker 7: time that I was doing it, he did get a 1378 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,479 Speaker 7: snatch struck one of those that asked, you know, the 1379 01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,000 Speaker 7: little boom arm on the back of it goes under 1380 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,880 Speaker 7: the front wheels, you lift it up, make sure, you know, 1381 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,599 Speaker 7: you crawl underneath that, make sure it's in gear. 1382 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,760 Speaker 2: For the most part, though, we would get keys cut 1383 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:46,760 Speaker 2: so we would pay. 1384 01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,599 Speaker 7: We would go like, say you drive a Mazda, Yeah, 1385 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,000 Speaker 7: we would take the ven number, go to the Mazda dealership, 1386 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 7: give it to them, and they could cut a key 1387 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:56,040 Speaker 7: based on that ven number. 1388 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,840 Speaker 2: So then you're just riding around. You've got the file. 1389 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,320 Speaker 7: You know what their references are, you know where to 1390 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,920 Speaker 7: look for the car, because if it's not parked their address, 1391 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,240 Speaker 7: if they're trying to hide it. A lot of times 1392 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,280 Speaker 7: it would be at one of the three references that 1393 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 7: they would put down on the application to buy a car, 1394 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,800 Speaker 7: So then we would if we found it, we we 1395 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,840 Speaker 7: just wrote around. The guy I worked for, his name 1396 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,639 Speaker 7: was he drove this this Fleetwood Cadillac, you know, like 1397 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,479 Speaker 7: like villain ass looking car, right. 1398 01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,639 Speaker 2: And so we would we would scope it. 1399 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,800 Speaker 7: Out and we did not want any confrontation because it's 1400 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 7: dangerous as hell, you know, you those those from the 1401 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,080 Speaker 7: yeah in their mind exactly that that uh that lizard 1402 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,599 Speaker 7: lick toeing shit like it's it's not. It's not like 1403 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,720 Speaker 7: that at all those reality shows that you see. We 1404 01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,479 Speaker 7: would scope it out and we would repo from like 1405 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 7: ten o'clock at night to three o'clock in the morning, 1406 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,080 Speaker 7: and then either I was driving the getaway car, I 1407 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,439 Speaker 7: was driving the Cadillac, or I would walk up, you know, 1408 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,719 Speaker 7: make sure there's no lights on in the house, nobody's 1409 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,240 Speaker 7: moving around, and then it's just a mad dash to 1410 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,800 Speaker 7: opening the car up, opening an alarm doesn't go off, 1411 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 7: hopping in, cranking it up, and peeling out essentially, and 1412 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,519 Speaker 7: again I have to reiterate, it is the funnest job 1413 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 7: I've ever had. 1414 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,519 Speaker 2: I hate that fact. I hate it. I hate it 1415 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,800 Speaker 2: right right, But there's something about it. Yeah, you're like, 1416 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,439 Speaker 2: you're twenty years old. 1417 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,920 Speaker 1: Cart, Yes, you're. 1418 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,879 Speaker 7: Twenty years old, and you're not in trouble for stealing cars. 1419 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 7: You get to, you know, go out late at night 1420 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,439 Speaker 7: and and like you said, steal cars. It's unfortunately it 1421 01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:35,439 Speaker 7: was a blast, man. 1422 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,240 Speaker 1: But then yeah, you kind of come around. 1423 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 3: You're like the economics of it too, It's like it's 1424 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,040 Speaker 3: a wild how predatory it is to the pot. Huh, 1425 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,479 Speaker 3: this is the best business you bring them in because 1426 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,719 Speaker 3: you say you can pay with you can bring virtually 1427 01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,920 Speaker 3: nothing down, I get the financing deal. Then when they 1428 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 3: inevitably can't pay, I just rinse and repeat with the 1429 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,160 Speaker 3: same vehicle. Baby, Like wow, I'm like that's when I'm like, 1430 01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 3: that's I always like want about lots like that in 1431 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,120 Speaker 3: the business dynamics of it, and like that makes perfect sense. 1432 01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,280 Speaker 2: And I can't think of something more American than that, too, 1433 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,559 Speaker 2: right right, I kind of wonder too. 1434 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 7: I've I've caught up with the guy that I worked 1435 01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 7: with at the time. It was a very weird dynamic 1436 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,840 Speaker 7: because I saw him show like empathy to a lot 1437 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,360 Speaker 7: of the clients that he whose car he was looking for. 1438 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,360 Speaker 2: There was a few instances. 1439 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,960 Speaker 7: Where they were older people that got behind on their 1440 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,240 Speaker 7: payments and he refused to repoe their cars, like genuinely 1441 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,840 Speaker 7: refused to take them. And he would we got on 1442 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,120 Speaker 7: this this cycle where we would stop buy a few 1443 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,400 Speaker 7: people's homes. He would take their payment for them because 1444 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,799 Speaker 7: this was again this was before you could pay online 1445 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 7: or anything like that, and he would literally bring their 1446 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,720 Speaker 7: payment back to the dealership to keep them out of 1447 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,840 Speaker 7: trouble with you know, with with the lot. And so 1448 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,559 Speaker 7: I actually found out. Years later, he got out of 1449 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,439 Speaker 7: the business. I don't think he was built for it 1450 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,160 Speaker 7: long term. I think he probably had that kind of 1451 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,520 Speaker 7: eventually you know, eventual awakening. 1452 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1453 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1454 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,360 Speaker 7: He moved out of town and I think he opened 1455 01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,559 Speaker 7: up like a comic book shop or something there. 1456 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,680 Speaker 2: You go, so yeah much, you know, opposite ends of 1457 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,240 Speaker 2: the business spectrum. 1458 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,800 Speaker 3: I feel like, and I think, because you ord the 1459 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,320 Speaker 3: repo man, you got to give us the zeitganga tip man. 1460 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,400 Speaker 3: If you're behind on your payments, how to fuck you 1461 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,160 Speaker 3: hide your car from the day away. 1462 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,280 Speaker 1: From those four references. 1463 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,800 Speaker 2: I guess yes, that that's that's my number one. 1464 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,360 Speaker 7: My number one thing is always uh like, wherever you 1465 01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,920 Speaker 7: hide it, always back it in because the first thing 1466 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 7: they're looking for is the license plate number. But don't 1467 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 7: park it at your house and any of the references 1468 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,360 Speaker 7: that you put down, do not do not park it there. 1469 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 7: Mike had another thing which I don't know how you 1470 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,080 Speaker 7: avoid this really. 1471 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,200 Speaker 2: He had if he. 1472 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,360 Speaker 7: Knew a car was like going to be in a 1473 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:57,160 Speaker 7: general area, he had people from like Dominoes and pizza 1474 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,000 Speaker 7: hut and delivery places. If they spot he would give 1475 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,200 Speaker 7: them a finder's fee. Wow, and we're talking like fifty bucks. 1476 01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,639 Speaker 7: And this was like two thousand and three, two thousand 1477 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,759 Speaker 7: and four, so it's like a nice little chunk of change. 1478 01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,000 Speaker 2: And so he had like he had like spies everywhere 1479 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,519 Speaker 2: and ship. It is pretty wild. 1480 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 7: But we got chased by one guy one time. We 1481 01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,360 Speaker 7: repolled his escalade and he jumped in another car and 1482 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,400 Speaker 7: took off after us, and it was a wild ass 1483 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:29,160 Speaker 7: chase down this two lane. Yeah, essentially, until called the 1484 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,840 Speaker 7: off duty sheriff's department number and they set up like 1485 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,200 Speaker 7: a roadblock into downtown where we were headed and uh 1486 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,559 Speaker 7: and so we flew through it, and then this guy 1487 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,960 Speaker 7: like the they pulled in after him, and uh and 1488 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,920 Speaker 7: and the next day he came down and called his 1489 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:44,719 Speaker 7: payments up. 1490 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:45,960 Speaker 2: And so it was. 1491 01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:46,559 Speaker 1: It was. 1492 01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,720 Speaker 2: It was a wild, wild couple of days for that guy. 1493 01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,559 Speaker 1: But yeah, he might not have even known that you 1494 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:52,320 Speaker 1: were repalling. 1495 01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, that's exactly right. 1496 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,679 Speaker 7: Like he he genuinely just thought that his car got stolen. 1497 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,920 Speaker 7: And we're trying to avoid confrontation as much as you know, 1498 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,840 Speaker 7: you don't want to open up a dialogue there with 1499 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,800 Speaker 7: it when you don't know what somebody's got, you know, 1500 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,560 Speaker 7: behind their back when when you're on their property. And 1501 01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,960 Speaker 7: then another time we had a guy he had a 1502 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,080 Speaker 7: truck in a ditch in his front yard. It was 1503 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,439 Speaker 7: the truck we were looking for, and knocked on the 1504 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,840 Speaker 7: door and he told us to fuck off, And so 1505 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,840 Speaker 7: we were waiting. We didn't have a tow truck at 1506 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,519 Speaker 7: the time. We were waiting on another guy. So we're 1507 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,320 Speaker 7: sitting in this food line parking lot, this grocery store 1508 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,240 Speaker 7: parking lot, and all of a sudden, we get surrounded 1509 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,120 Speaker 7: by cops, like seven or eight car Sheriff's deputies. 1510 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,720 Speaker 2: They all draw their weapons. 1511 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,920 Speaker 7: You know, they weren't completely aiming them at us, but 1512 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,280 Speaker 7: we get up with our hands up and starts explaining. 1513 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,080 Speaker 7: You know, basically, the guy whose car we were trying 1514 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,000 Speaker 7: to repo, he called the Sheriff's department and said that 1515 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,040 Speaker 7: we were threatening him with guns and baseball bats, which 1516 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,280 Speaker 7: we didn't carry any weapons on us. You know, it's 1517 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,280 Speaker 7: just a recipe for disaster. It's going to escalate things 1518 01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,479 Speaker 7: into a bad area. So yeah, he explained it to him, 1519 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 7: and they all put their weapons down and and let 1520 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:06,600 Speaker 7: us go. 1521 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,599 Speaker 3: And You're like, no, I'm doing this on behalf of 1522 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,400 Speaker 3: a car lot company. Oh oh of course, Well then 1523 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,720 Speaker 3: please on the on the degrees of awfulness. 1524 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,000 Speaker 7: I feel like we were not very high above the 1525 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,920 Speaker 7: Sheriff's department, but just slightly, just that I wasn't a 1526 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,800 Speaker 7: full on cop in that situation. 1527 01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,040 Speaker 3: Right, because like it is like you're in that group 1528 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,679 Speaker 3: of people who can like legally steal someone ship. 1529 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, man, Miles used to be a hoodlum. 1530 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:38,840 Speaker 2: I know it. 1531 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,160 Speaker 7: You said, Jackie used to hang out the sewers of 1532 01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,360 Speaker 7: Kentucky or wherever Ohio. 1533 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Hallmark store. We know about that. Yeah, 1534 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,479 Speaker 2: Hallmark Store. Yes, how could I have forgotten? You almost 1535 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:54,840 Speaker 2: got you? 1536 01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:00,000 Speaker 7: Uh, it's a blast. Doing bad ship is so much fun. 1537 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 7: That's why people, I mean, if it's not a crime 1538 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,880 Speaker 7: of like needing to feed yourself or something, it's just 1539 01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,599 Speaker 7: fun doing fucked up ship. 1540 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:15,880 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it sucks, right, Yeah, that that's never the explanation given, 1541 01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,920 Speaker 1: like in law and Order when they're like why'd you 1542 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,479 Speaker 1: do it? Son, and it's like I was fucked up? 1543 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,680 Speaker 1: They're never like, yo, it was fun as. 1544 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:24,719 Speaker 2: Fun as ship. 1545 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:25,000 Speaker 1: Man. 1546 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 2: It's an adrenaline rush. 1547 01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:30,120 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, people some people skydive and and uh, 1548 01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,400 Speaker 7: some people you know, do motocross or whatever ship and 1549 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,000 Speaker 7: some people repoke cars. 1550 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:39,120 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, his is better than motocross. Mm hmm. 1551 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Christy, I'm a Gucci man aka Will. Such 1552 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,639 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming through talking 1553 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,960 Speaker 1: to us about uh that your career. You're you're one 1554 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,759 Speaker 1: of our favorite listeners and guests to have on the show. 1555 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,040 Speaker 1: We really appreciate you, man. 1556 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,720 Speaker 2: It's my pleasures, my pleasure, and this was a was 1557 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:58,719 Speaker 2: this a collect call? 1558 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:07,120 Speaker 3: Yes, if you could actually just not yeah, cut just 1559 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,479 Speaker 3: to cut that part out, say that again and say 1560 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,639 Speaker 3: well actually whytch you take that again, Will, and say 1561 01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:13,120 Speaker 3: thank you so much. 1562 01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,679 Speaker 1: And I can't wait to foot the bill for this call. 1563 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:17,400 Speaker 2: Guys. 1564 01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,160 Speaker 7: It was an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for 1565 01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,880 Speaker 7: having me. Yeah, it's an honor to be I'm a 1566 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,040 Speaker 7: two time guest now. I believe two Tiers club, so 1567 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,800 Speaker 7: two Timers club, and I cannot wait to pay the 1568 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:30,680 Speaker 7: long distance bill. 1569 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: You're such a not that we need to anything, but 1570 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,439 Speaker 1: it's just good to know that you would. 1571 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,960 Speaker 7: Of course I insist because this was my pleasure first 1572 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,160 Speaker 7: and foremost. 1573 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:43,439 Speaker 1: So amazing. 1574 01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:44,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. 1575 01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate you all right, that's gonna do it. That's 1576 01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:48,680 Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up. 1577 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,800 Speaker 3: Don't leave your car at the places you leave as references, 1578 01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,120 Speaker 3: which feels like kind of obvious, but I get how 1579 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,519 Speaker 3: people will get lazy. It might be like what ain't 1580 01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 3: my house and then forget that, Like I think about 1581 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,080 Speaker 3: that shit all the time, Like how like do I 1582 01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,080 Speaker 3: have people that like the government would have known I'm 1583 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,000 Speaker 3: friends with because I'm not friends with them on Facebook 1584 01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:07,639 Speaker 3: type shite? 1585 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,679 Speaker 1: If you have any expertise on how to like drop 1586 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,960 Speaker 1: off the grid or evade your debtors, just hit me 1587 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,760 Speaker 1: up privately. We want to talk about it on the show. 1588 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,559 Speaker 1: But yeah, just got some things going on. No that 1589 01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,120 Speaker 1: that was super interesting. And you know, crime not only 1590 01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,600 Speaker 1: does crime pay, crime is fun is I think I 1591 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,280 Speaker 1: can't wait to play this episode for my seven year 1592 01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: old when he when he hits age. 1593 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:34,639 Speaker 3: Eight and then show New Jersey Drive. That's right, all right, 1594 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,080 Speaker 3: but that's gonna do it. You can find me on 1595 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,120 Speaker 3: Twitter A Jack Underscore, O, Brian, how about you miles 1596 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,080 Speaker 3: at Miles of Gray wherever there's at symbols go there. 1597 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,960 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter. Daily zeit Geist right, 1598 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,760 Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, we have Facebook fan page 1599 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,320 Speaker 1: and a website daily zeit guys dot com. We post 1600 01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,080 Speaker 1: our episodes and our footnote link off to the information 1601 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,680 Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode. Won't really be 1602 01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,959 Speaker 1: happening as much in today's episodes. 1603 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,599 Speaker 2: But yeah, but there is a song. 1604 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,800 Speaker 1: There is a song, miles and what is a song 1605 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 1: that you think people might enjoy it? 1606 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,600 Speaker 3: Okay, There's like a duo called Wilma Vritra v r 1607 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,800 Speaker 3: I t R A and the first track on their 1608 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:12,599 Speaker 3: album Grotto. 1609 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:13,719 Speaker 2: I was looking this album Grotto. 1610 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,799 Speaker 3: The first track just blew me away. It's called find 1611 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,680 Speaker 3: an Hour, and they're like this, like one guy's like 1612 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,240 Speaker 3: one of the people in the group's of lyricists. 1613 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,639 Speaker 1: The other's like a multi instrumentalist, and it just got this. 1614 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,880 Speaker 3: Like very cool, like live hip hop feel but kind 1615 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,240 Speaker 3: of low fi, spooky sounding, like the recordings very like 1616 01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,160 Speaker 3: sounds very diy in this track, and like great string 1617 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,800 Speaker 3: arrangement too, which I was telling Jack, I was like, 1618 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,720 Speaker 3: this feels like when Mary ben Ari, the hip hop violinist, 1619 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,639 Speaker 3: was like blowing it up in the odds, but like 1620 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,920 Speaker 3: in a classier way, you know, more like Isaac Hayes 1621 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,960 Speaker 3: type of shit. So anyway, this is Find an Hour 1622 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,320 Speaker 3: by Wilma Ritra. 1623 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm getting losing my breath check it out. 1624 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I totally got Miles's reference and didn't need 1625 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:57,640 Speaker 1: to explain to me at all. 1626 01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:58,800 Speaker 7: I know. 1627 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,000 Speaker 3: Look, it reminds me of when Marcel was like, what 1628 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:02,799 Speaker 3: kind of fucking Tumblr ass explanation? 1629 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, I only speak at Tumblr all right. Well, 1630 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,479 Speaker 1: The Daily Zeik is the production of iHeart Radio. For 1631 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,920 Speaker 1: more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 1632 01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Yep, 1633 01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us this morning, back this 1634 01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,960 Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we'll talk 1635 01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,559 Speaker 1: to you all done. 1636 01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,880 Speaker 2: Bye bye