1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, the production 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Okay, Holly, 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: you and I are not too far apart in age. No, 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: we both went to public school. Do you remember how 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: your public school science textbooks talked about plate tectonics? Not really, 7 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: because my high school biology teacher had a husband who 8 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: was a geologist, and he came in and gave our lecture. 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: So I had no idea what was in the book 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: because he was like, we're not looking at that. Like, 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: he was a very cool, fun guy. He had like 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: a bumper sticker on his car that said Reunite Gundwana 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Land Like, okay, he was super fun, And so we 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: got what was for the mid to late nineteen eighties 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: pretty up to the minute information on plate tectonics. Yeah, 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: so I had like the mid mid eighties to early nineties, uh, 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: public school education, and by that point plate tectonics pretty 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: well accepted in the scientific community, for sure. But I 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: definitely remember having textbooks that had the diagrams of where 20 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: the land bridges supposedly had been, and that Also it 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: was like almost to teach the controversy kind of approach 22 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: to like plate tectonics, even though by that point it 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: was pretty much a scientific accepted like an accepted scientific idea, um, 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: it was presented to us in more of a what 25 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: do you think kind of way, not in a not 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: in a like sometimes signos. Sometimes educators will will use 27 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: that kind of framing to get people to try to 28 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: think about things in a in a more involved way. 29 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: But like this, more felt like that there might still 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: be some questions. I like that they were passing the 31 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: buck to children to decide. I remember that happened. This 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: was not about plate tectonics or anything like that. But 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I remember specifically having a teacher who every week we 34 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: had our spelling slash of vocabulary words. I guess it 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: was really we called a vocabulary more by this point. 36 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: But each of us was assigned a word that we 37 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: had to look up the definition of and then present 38 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: the definition to class. And there was one class where 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: my classmate did not do this assignment, and the word 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: he had been assigned was fascist, and so the teacher 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: then just refused to explain what fascism was. And it 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: was like but this is school. We're supposed to be 43 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: learning things here anyway. That is something of a digression. 44 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I really like how differently the episode turned out from 45 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: how I thought it was going to go when I 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: started researching it. Yeah, and it's one UM, I didn't 47 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: know a whole lot about Vigner, And it was kind 48 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: of funny we talked about it before that it was 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: pure coincidence that he got like a um a drive 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: by mentioned in our nineteen San Francisco earthquake episode. So I, uh, 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: we accidentally had a tea up on that. Yeah, yeah, 52 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: we also So it's not it's not very often when 53 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: we say what the topic is of an upcoming episode 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: on the show. Just a lot of it is just 55 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: because of how our production schedule works. A lot of 56 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: times when we're in the studio, we don't necessarily know 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: what it's coming soon after after we get out of 58 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the studio. Um. But this was a case where uh 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: that had come up in that the San Francisco earthquake 60 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: and fire episode. That episode came out um either just 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: before or right at the start of our tour through 62 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: three cities in Texas that we just took. We had 63 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: multiple people come up to us after those shows when 64 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: we do kind of a meet and greet thing to 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: tell us how excited that they were that this Alfred 66 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Wegner's story was going to be coming out soon, And 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: then we've also gotten email about it. And it's one 68 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: of those things where im like, is it are our 69 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: people this excited about Alfred Beganer or is it just 70 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: that we so rarely have a glimpse of what's coming 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: up on the show soon? Why not? At least one 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: of those people that mentioned it was a geologist, so 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: they're legit into Vegan. Yeah, I hope they don't have 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: four million things they wish I had said that. I 75 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: did not say, hopefully not. Yeah, it's time for a 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: little behind the scenes on the Italian Hall disaster. Tracy. Yeah, 77 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: why do you always pick sad things at Christmas? I 78 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't mean to um. I didn't even 79 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: realize that the sad things at Christmas connection until the 80 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: year that we did the Christmas tree Ship, because that 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: was an episode that a lot of people had asked 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: us to talk about and they had specifically said, maybe 83 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: you could do it at Christmas time, And the fact 84 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: that we've gotten that query phrased that way so many 85 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: times made me think that this incident that I did 86 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: not know anything about involved a heroic rescue of everyone 87 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: aboard the Christmas tree Ship. If you haven't heard, that 88 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: episode does not include an heroic rescue. It is misery 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: from beginning to end. And I was like, why why 90 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: are there so many, so many horrific things happening at 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: Christmas time. I wasn't even necessarily looking specifically for a 92 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: holiday time episode this time around. I was just scrolling 93 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: through our list of of listeners suggestions, which at this 94 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: point is is close to a thousand suggestions long. That's 95 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: not an exaggeration, it's that there's a lot of stuff 96 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: on there. UM, and I kind of went the Italian 97 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: Hall disaster. I wonder what I don't really know about that, 98 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that someone had falsely shouted fire when 99 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: there was no fire. I just kept thinking about as 100 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: I was poking through all of these other things, like 101 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: what is what? What is it? I was like, I 102 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: gotta know more about this. There is some discussion about 103 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: whether that particular disaster influenced in any way. UM. The 104 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court case Schneck versus United States, which was about 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: free speech, and part of all Oliver Wendell Holmes Junior's 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: opinion on that was about how shouting fire in a 107 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: in a crowded theater would not be a protected form 108 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: of speech. Um. That, of course is a little unclear. 109 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: It's hard to know what somebody's motivations were for any 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: particular thing unless they wrote them down somewhere. Um. But 111 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: there were other instances of that happening as well. So 112 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: not a happy story at all. Oh, now that I 113 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: have I have thrown you under the bus for picking 114 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: sad things. I will point out that the thing is 115 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: when there's just a lighthearted, easy next day, people don't 116 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: report it as news, so it doesn't get written up 117 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: as a historical event so much. When it's like the 118 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: day was lovely, a little cold, but everyone got up 119 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: and had pancakes and then head a delightful Christmas morning 120 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: Like that stuff does because I get written up, which 121 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: is why most of the historical events time to holidays 122 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: seem like they are tragedies. Yeah, and we also uh 123 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: to be fair our our listeners suggestion list in terms 124 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of actual events that um that have happened are heavily 125 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: weighted towards tragedies, Like, we get a lot of emails 126 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: that say something like, I would really love to hear 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: more about the and it is the blah blah blah 128 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: massacre or the blah blah blah fire or the blah 129 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: blah blah cyclone. Like, there's just a lot of of 130 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: tragedy in the list of things that people have specifically 131 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: asked us to talk about, which, um, I think also 132 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: influences what we end up talking about to a degree. 133 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the listener suggestion list isn't the only UM 134 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: area where we get ideas from, but when we get 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: a lot of requests for a topic, it definitely moves 136 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: higher up onto mine to dows for sure. Yes, so 137 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: listeners love tragedy as well. The takeaway well, and we 138 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: know there are a whole other podcasts that are focused 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: exclusively on tragedies. UM So that's a thing that people 140 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: in general have a fascination with. I think, yeah, sure. 141 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: So anyway, one of the things that I was glad 142 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: to talk about this one about is that it wasn't 143 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: just the tragic part um. It also had the whole 144 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: context of labor rights and the strike that was going on, 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: which was also important history to talk about. Two. We've 146 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: talked a lot about labor um this year because the 147 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: nineteen teens that was a lot there was a lot 148 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: of stuff going on related to labor rights and labor 149 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: organizations and worker protections, and we did several episodes that 150 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: were related to things that happened specifically in nineteen nineteen 151 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: and and so it's been a theme that has come up, 152 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: maybe more this year than previous years, but it's something 153 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: that we talked about a lot in general. Yeah, I mean, 154 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: it's um. It's also interesting and you mentioned it in 155 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: the episode that this is a case where the National 156 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: Guard was called and it didn't immediately escalate the situation 157 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: into a horrific series of violent events, which is incredibly unique. Normally, 158 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: once we read in in one of our outlines when 159 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: we're doing a show and then the National Guard was called, 160 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: like you know, a lot of bad melee, probably death, 161 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: people being treated really poorly is about to come up. 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: And this seemed like they kind of came and were like, 163 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: this seems fine. Everybody's I don't want to at all 164 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: disparaged people who are serving in the National Guard now 165 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: like not not at all, but like historically there have 166 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: been so many accounts where and that the the National 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: Guard was deployed ostensibly who protect someone or protect a 168 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: group of people, and instead became part of a massacre 169 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: or became part of the harassment that they were being 170 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: sent in to protect like that. That has been so 171 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: many times on the show that this one was striking 172 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: in the fact that it didn't go that way this time. 173 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: It's it's not a super fun topic, but it's still 174 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: important and hopefully, uh, you know, none of us experienced 175 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: a similar about this holiday, I hope not. Stuff you 176 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: missed The District Class is a production of I Heart 177 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts For my Heart Radio, 178 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 179 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.