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You know, we 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.240 just want to do something iconic for R and B. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.440 You know, we're working on shooting the video, getting that 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.120 all the way right, setting up the summertime. I got 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.920 a couple of other singles coming. Really just focusing on 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.800 singles for this summer, you know what I'm saying, and 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.480 then project probably end of the year, top of next 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:02.119 year sometime. In my world, bro, I've been creating a lot, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.400 creating a lot, writing and writing a book right now, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.000 working on some other business. Is the book kind of 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.000 like your life story? Nah, it's not really a life story. 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.760 It's more of like a memoir. It's more of like 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.679 a balancing your personal spiritual space conversation, you know, this 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.160 conversation having with myself that I'm kind of bringing the 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.720 world into. You know, I feel like I've been in 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.040 the industry so long, and I've also just been through 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.320 a lot of different things and different dimensions of my life. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.079 I needed an outlet. You know. It's kind of like therapy, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.120 therapy in a way, you know, So it promotes mental health, 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:42.880 it promotes spiritual awareness, it promotes social awareness. You know, 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.080 it's got a little bit of everything in there. You 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.920 have had a pretty wild ride through just life. When 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.080 we think about things that have happened in your personal life, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.600 your career has always it's got peaks and valleys, and 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:56.600 you know, anytime you're a creator and you're under the microscope, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.680 it feels like, you know, sometimes we forget that, like 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.760 you're a human being, and yeah, I mean, you know, 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.680 you have to train yourself as like you know, as 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.120 you as you get older. I started so young, but 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.560 as you get older, I think you get these pockets 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:20.200 of like growth, spurts of spiritual intelligence, emotional intelligence, and 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:21.880 those are the things that you need to tap into 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.200 if you're not distracted enough too much by the lifestyle, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.640 you know, And I always I've always been aware of that. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.240 I mean I had my moments while I was super 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.040 distracted by it, but like for the most part, I've 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.800 always been self aware just because of the where I 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.440 grew up. You know what I'm saying. I've seen all 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.479 the craziest stuff in my life earlier on. So this 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.080 was just kind of like, Okay, this is more like 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:52.640 human behavior, you know, psychological, energetic. How do you navigate that? 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.400 That's what I feel like the industry is more so 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:59.000 you talk about mental health, like, yeah, how like because you've, 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.680 like I said, you've been You've dealt with stuff that 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.039 a lot of people haven't had to deal with in 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:07.360 their life, even and as a star, you know what 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.039 I mean, which is what's even crazier. People deal with 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.800 certain shit, no one knows who the fuck they are. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.120 You're dealing with a lot of shit. You know what 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:15.839 it comes to what happened with your mom, you know, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.400 moving back to Baltimore when you were already on you 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.800 know what I mean, Like, do you feel like you know, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.599 I think sometimes we look at artists and we're like, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.040 you know, if we think of Mario, We're like, Okay, 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.719 what's Mario been up to? Do you feel like you've 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.720 had to like kind of battle through any like personal 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.240 depression or anything to kind of break through, like to 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:44.320 where you are today. What we call depression. I mean, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.280 this is just like my perspective, but what we call 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:52.440 depression and you know, stress and just those immense, deep 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.280 moments of like where you feel like your life is over, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.080 the world is over, is triggers for us to work 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:03.000 on things that are unhealed, that we're not walking a 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.200 path that's true to our purpose sometimes, you know what 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.280 I mean. So for me, it was like I have 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.280 moments of depression, but I didn't sit them in them 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.839 too long. I'm more so spent more time just studying 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:19.000 and understanding my history, understanding you know, my purpose outside 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.360 of just music, and it just gave me more more 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.800 of a of a purpose and foundation when it comes 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.520 to me as a human being, and that helps with 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.239 everything else. Once I figured that part out, and luckily 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.600 I started young enough to whear those five six years 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.119 where I was just like not really doing the music 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.640 thing and just kind of focusing on myself. Luckily I 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.520 started so young, you know, because now it's like I 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.839 have all of that knowledge to kind of like apply 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.080 to by now, which I was gonna say everything. Bro, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.520 do you think starting kind of having to be forced 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.120 to grow up fast? Right? Yeah? Do you think that 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.599 that kind of helped prepare you for life? Like you know, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.560 I had maybe you gone through some of the things 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.320 you went through at eighteen or nineteen years old without 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.200 having to have been kind of a superstar, and you know, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:01.960 b Mario, do you think that that kind of helped 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.560 prepare you for some of the things you did go 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.760 through later on? I think, like I said before, just 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.480 coming from Baltimore, being exposed to so much at a 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.640 young age, like you know, being in the house full 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:18.360 of eighteen with eighteen people as uncles, cousins, mom's, boyfriends, aunties, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.200 boy like, it was just you know, it was one 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.400 of those houses. Like when we lived in Emerson Village, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.400 it was like remember that scene on Men, It's a 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.000 society and beginning to open the scene. I wouldn't say 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.960 kids was exposed all the way, but it was it 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.480 was close to that. Like you know what I'm saying. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.640 We didn't know what was going on, but we knew, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.000 you know what I'm saying. So, being that I saw 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.000 so much and I was exposed to so much, I 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:47.400 had already been prepared mentally for inconsistencies in dealing with 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.720 things and dealing with people, dealing with certain and so 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.600 I didn't as I got older, I didn't like like 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.720 attach it to a reality my mind. It was like, Okay, 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.160 this is my reality, and the reality of the space 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.520 that I'm in is this, this and that, Like you 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.360 know what I'm saying. So, you have a house full 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.000 of eighteen people you grow up in in Baltimore. Shout 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.160 to Baltimore, by the way, total coincidence. I'm wearing a 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.360 white shirt. I see resting piece of the rest in peace. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.600 But uh, you get on as a teenager, Yeah, I 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.560 mean you're like super on. You're like running one of 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.880 six in park, Like you're like the next R and 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.920 B sensation, Dude, the house full of eighteen people start 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.480 looking for you to like start handling some things as 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.320 far as bills or was it not? Never like that? Nah, 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.000 It wasn't like that, bro. Like my family was very supportive. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.120 I left Baltimore for like four years when I was 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:36.600 like fourteen, you know what I'm saying. So it was 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.200 more about who'd you go up to Jersey? Okay, Okay, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.240 you know what I'm saying. So it was more about 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.480 like it was more about like missing my family and 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.680 just like them understand like that transition between me being 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.920 just Mario but like the Mario the artists, like you 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.120 know what I'm saying. It wasn't like like that later 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.520 on it kind of in some cases, but like it was, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.559 my family was never like like that. My family was 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.080 always supportive. My family's real, like real people, like you 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.120 know what I'm saying. Yeah, you talk about how you 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.000 took like a four or five year break from music 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.120 as far as like just having that be like your 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.480 main focus. Yeah, I always think it's like you as 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.640 somebody who doesn't get enough flowers for just kind of 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.319 like your legacy, like some of the records you've put 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.120 out some of the bodies of work you've had, and 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.160 like just in general, do you feel like that four 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.559 to five years was necessary even though it might have 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.480 maybe hurt your place in the game. Yeah, definitely it 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.480 was necessary for me. It was necessary for my personal growth. Again, 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:41.520 it was also necessary for me to like not like 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:47.920 attach my value to success or whatever success is perceived 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.560 to be by people to be. You know, for me, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.960 I redefine what success was for me. So success for 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.920 me was a healthy mind, a healthy spirit. You know 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.840 what I'm saying. Success is very subjective man, longevity, bro 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.280 let's be let's keep it a hondred. Like we live, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.600 you know, these lives. You know, we have twenty four 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.160 hours in a day. You know, when you become an artists, 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.920 there's so many other things that people don't realize, the 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.360 responsibilities and the stress that come with being an artist, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.200 Like it really can take a toll on you. So 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.400 if you're not like preparing yourself for the next ten years, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.079 then I don't think Like for me, I feel like 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.040 artists have to learn how to prepare themselves for the 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.680 next ten to fifteen years. Like, what's your retirement plan? 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.520 Like you feel me because like you know, this shit 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.880 music come and go. I've been blessed enough to come 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.360 out in a time where like music was really about classics. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.520 You know what I'm saying, this is true. People be like, yo, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.720 you are you making a comebacks? Like, nah, it's not 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.880 really a comeback. Let me love you streams two million 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.520 times every day and a half. That's so crazy, you 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.200 feel me how to breathe? Like, my hits still go crazy, sure, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.280 as if they just came out. So it's like for me, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.520 it's just more of a rebranding thing than it is 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.720 a coming back thing. Yeah, I think like you said, man, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.720 I think like when we think of success, like success 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.200 is defined it every everyone's personal like happiness. Yeah, life, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.760 for sure, I'm not you know. I think that there's 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:10.600 like if you if you're if you're in the industry 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.400 and you're known for being an artist, there is definitely 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.000 certain milestone, certain milestones and certain things that comes with 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.520 Like somebody can view your success as an artist in 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.160 terms of the numbers and in terms of like there's 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.880 there's no you know, but in terms of like personal success, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.920 that's that's something that you have to that has to 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.800 be your own personal virtue, you know what I'm saying. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.720 But I think that success comes with happiness comes with success. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.440 To me, it's like if I'm not happy, whether it's 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:44.640 a relationship, a business, working partnership, like if we're not 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.559 enjoying the process of this, and I think the pandemic 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.600 shure that's all that, Like, Yo, are you enjoying what 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.120 you do? Like who are you really outside of just 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.600 what the world knows you for or your public perception 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.560 of that way during the way, Yeah, you know, so, 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.920 so success has to go for me, true success has 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.719 to run hand in hand with happiness and peace and 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.040 enjoying what you're doing and enjoying the process whether you're 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.880 making money, are you Are you enjoying what you do 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.680 while you're making this bread? Like you know what I'm saying. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.560 So music wise, now, you obviously put the new record 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.440 out with Chris, which is dope to see you guys 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.640 on because you guys kind of had like I guess, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.080 kind of from the same era a bit, right, Yeah, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.880 I mean I came out a few years before. I'd 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.480 say you came out first, but like you know, kind 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.160 of you know, similar eras, Like I feel like what 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.480 also came. He is crazy because the first time I 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.200 ever seen him he came out on tour. I was 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.679 on tour with Beyonce and he came out on stage 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.800 and did I think he did run it? That sounds 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.199 about right, And I was like, Yo, this kid is 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.320 out of here, like he's a superstar. Like it was 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.200 just which Beyonce tour was at. It was Destiney Show Tour. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.560 I forgot the name of it, but it was so 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.760 you were on tour with Destiny's Child World tour with 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.400 the world to it is crazy. I had to be wild. Wow. Bro, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.560 So this is before Beyonce went solo every every continent. Basically, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.920 this is pre Beyonce going so alone. Pretty crazy in 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.960 love Yeah oh wow. Yeah. So that was like that 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.720 was a special time people were forgetting Destiny's Child like 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.880 as a group and like how crazy they were, Like 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.320 it was they had a lot of hits and they 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.800 had a lot their fan base was just versatile and 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.040 just you know, I think they came out a time 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.559 where like girl groups and groups in general was still like, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.560 you know, popping, and it was it was important to 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.600 the culture. They were kind of like the last great 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.319 female group who really think about it, like when it 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.320 was like the last time there's been an amazing like 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.440 female R and B group that really like, I can't 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.160 really think of one bro like that. Nah. I feel 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.880 like they were the last of their they were kind 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.560 you know, and even R and B groups in general, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.960 and the last who everybody kind of branched off and 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.480 did their own thing and put out like actual independent 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.439 projects that had success too. You know. I just think 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:46.640 of like, you know, when I was a kid, it 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.720 was like Drew Hill, there was Jagged Edge, There's one twelve, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.800 and like now I don't like, is there an R 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.520 and B group that I'm forgetting that? I'm just like, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.440 I feel like it's been so many like on and off. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.800 But now as far as girl groups, I can't remember any. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.680 Did you kind of did every one kind of know 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.680 when you were around Dusty Shop back then that Beyonce 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.000 was like, you know, okay, there's something special about of course, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.920 be like, you know, she's of course, yeah, you know 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.520 what I'm saying, she a superstar. She a virgo like me, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.320 he shout out to the verb said Virgos do it 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.559 the best. Michael Jackson a lot of great Now, I 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.720 think I think it all goes back to work ethic 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.880 bro like she was. She was training Bread for it, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.440 you know from from a young age. You know, think 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.560 about Michael like he was training Bread for it. You 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.600 know what you focus your attention and awareness on. It's 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.680 going to continue to to to magnify, you know what 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.080 I'm saying, and be more magnetic, so in polarizing. So 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.600 you know, it's crazy because I think when I think 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.560 of BT and one O six in Park, I think 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.760 of you, I think of bow Wow, I think of 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.440 a few artists. Do you remember the first time you 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.040 went on One of six and Park and like who 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.440 was hosting? Yeah, A J and Free was hosting. That's 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.440 the see that's the ogs, Like AG and Free is like, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.480 that's how I remember One O six in Park. There 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.240 were so many other you know, incarnations of the hosts 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.960 of the show, but AJ and Free were the ones, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.800 the original, you know, they the original man in the 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.320 in the whole team over there. Like I see some 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.320 of them still on different production sets, movie sets, war shows. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.880 You know, everybody still It's crazy. You see people AJ's 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.800 on like Entertainment tonight. At least he was like I'd 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.080 be like Entertainment tonight was I'm like, yeah, I don't 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.640 watch a lot of TV, so with no but yeah, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.280 Ag always was doing his thing. Yeah no, that's crazy man. 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.000 Yeah that's so. Do you remember how many times you 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.440 actually ended up going because you know you were on 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.440 there a lot. I can't remember offhand, but like I 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.800 would say probably least like ten times or more. That's huge, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.000 ten times that many. Still, I think I think we 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.840 definitely got to bring something like that back. I think 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.080 the Call to You Will Miss I think YouTube kind 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.600 of killed the Video Show, if that makes sense, because 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.200 I think they've tried to bring back t r L 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.080 before and it just didn't. I just think you think, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.480 I think the digital Crusade in general did it. Yeah. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.400 Like it's like, so there's so people creating their own 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.440 podcast on this, they on that that is like it's 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.360 just some go where they want to get there. It's 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.200 it's a different It's definitely just everything's just different. Like 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:06.520 I'm working on something crazy in that space kind of 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.000 but bigger right now. I can't talk about it all 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.400 the way, but it's gonna be it's gonna be super crazy. 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.000 Like I'm working on some cool stuff. Would you ever 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.280 do like a show like the Mass Singer if they 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.160 asked you, yeah, I'll do that for fun for sure. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.680 The Mass SERI has been kind of lit, low key. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.680 I do that for fun. It's like certain people like 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.760 Whiz was on there. I want to say, Tiger was 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.680 on there. Obviously Tiger did it? Did it? That's great? 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:36.160 T Paying one, t pain one, Yeah did Yeah. I 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.800 would definitely do it because I think it's I think 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.320 it's because I would be able to show people like 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.360 the other sides of my voice, the other textures and 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.160 tones that I because it's like R and B is 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:49.200 like I haven't even people haven't even touched, like seen 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.800 or experienced like the magnitude of where I can go vocally. 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.200 So that's definitely one that I would do. Like, how 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:57.880 do you feel about the current state of R and B, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.880 Because it's definitely a lot different than ten to fifteen 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.160 years ago as far as just like you know, I 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.280 feel like I feel like R and B has changed 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.840 so much, even just like you know, we talked about 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.840 the digital era, I feel like artists are so like 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.320 they have to be more transparent now as to where 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.679 maybe when you know I was a kid and you 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.200 were a kid. You know, every R and B artist 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.600 had this like image, right, they were like sex symbols. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.800 They had polish. It was very polished. Nowadays it's like 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.960 you could just be a normal dude and like the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.600 fans almost like that more now, Yes, I think it's 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.000 getting back to no point, it's in it. It's getting 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:40.399 back to the rawness and connecting with your fans and 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.360 connecting with people and jamming, you know what I'm saying, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.199 jam sessions. Getting back to just you know, working with 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.720 people that you vibe with on a creative level and 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.400 making music that you love and hopefully having a label 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:54.840 that supports that. Do you like it? Do you like 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.320 the artist? Now? I think the hardest part about it 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:05.240 is finding a machine that's willing to get behind, even 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:09.760 if it's independent, because independents are now like the new labels, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.399 like you know what I'm saying, like the process, you 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.679 know what I'm saying, getting them to also believe in 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.399 like because it's so much in the marketplace, you know, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.000 so rmb tends to take longer to built, you know, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.320 unless you're just one of those phenomenons like a Russ 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.480 who like figure out how to you know, do your 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.560 well you know, Yeah, what Rust did is what I 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.639 just advise a lot of artists to do. It's like, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.359 just keep putting up shots, especially if you're independent. Yes, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.080 but you gotta understand that's a psychological part that comes 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.600 with that. And sorry, I'm moving around a lot. You're 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.200 like very like it. It's a psychological part that comes 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:51.080 with doing that. Like when you're when you're trained to okay, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.760 one single here and then album, like you gotta like 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.360 retrain yourself. I've been retraining myself because you're thinking, like, Okay, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.200 I got a song, we got to make sure there's 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.119 a budget behind it, the video, Bro, the vergo, like, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.960 I think so meticulously my they'd be like, Bro, you 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:08.560 over think. I'm very like the colors that this got 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.919 a master. Even when I did my independent project, I 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:12.840 was shooting my videos, I was doing I was so 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:17.280 meticulous versus just throwing out music and just seeing what stick. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.480 You know what I'm saying. So I'm training myself to 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.720 kind of find a balance between being overly creative and like, 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.560 you know, everything's got to be perfect to just yo, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.399 do what you love. Are you currently independent? Yeah? Okay, 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.320 that's a good place. I got a partnership, so me, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.840