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Speaker 1: for the NFL Draft in a couple of weeks. Louis,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us here with the Giants.

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Speaker 1: How you doing today, I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Hey thanks for being with us. Man. So

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Speaker 1: let's start here. The Giants were busy in free agency.

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Speaker 1: They were very aggressive, one of the most aggressive teams

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Speaker 1: the point here where they don't really have to worry

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Speaker 1: about a vital need at eleven and they can just

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Speaker 1: pick the best player on their board. Well, provided that

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Speaker 1: all these individuals that that you're talking about, that they

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a guy like Lendon Williams, has

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Speaker 1: provided that they come through. Yeah, I guess you know

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Speaker 1: that's how you would you would typically like to look

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Speaker 1: at it, especially when you're picking where they are, that

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Speaker 1: player available, you know, and and kind of this really

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Speaker 1: a shoe taking a guy at a position that you

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Speaker 1: necessarily need. Now, obviously, you know, team building is one thing,

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Speaker 1: collecting talent is another, and you kind of have to

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Speaker 1: asolutely go, well, the board just says this, So I'm

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Speaker 1: just going with the board. I think at this point

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Speaker 1: in this program build. It's important that they get a

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Speaker 1: player that can help them win games, not someone who's

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Speaker 1: just gonna sit on the sideline and who you say, well,

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Speaker 1: three or four years from now, he's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: I think the clock has kind of been sped up

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Speaker 1: on this regime and on Dave in particular, So I

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Speaker 1: think he knows he needs a guy who's gonna come

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Speaker 1: that kind of effect, you know, his decision making here,

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Speaker 1: organically and said, hey, I'm just gonna take best player

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Speaker 1: in the same vein. Do you try to focus on

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Speaker 1: a player, Lewis that helps you figure out exactly where

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is as he heads into his third year,

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Speaker 1: to give him some support, whether it's a weapon or

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Speaker 1: I know they have invested a lot both in terms

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Speaker 1: the over Dave's tenure and in the draft, But the

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Speaker 1: Now I knew Andrew still needs more time, and he's

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Speaker 1: all the other things that Jason Garrett is trying to

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's necessarily off the table. We

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Speaker 1: guess that's why they paid Dave Gottleman what they pay

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Speaker 1: because he has to make that choice. So Louis, let's

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Speaker 1: He'll be going. But if he's sitting there and Jalen

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Speaker 1: as a playmaking wide receiver in the context of what

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Speaker 1: and he's a he's a he's a game breaker. He's

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Speaker 1: I I don't want to like throw around the Tyreek

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Speaker 1: as long as he gets his work done in those

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Speaker 1: gonna take him that high, because he better be matched

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Speaker 1: You don't draft guys who aren't good fits. Man in

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Speaker 1: complimentary football, three face football joke, gets all that. So

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Speaker 1: I think they're on the right trajectory that way. I

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Speaker 1: think obviously, you know, John Marra stepped outside of his

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Speaker 1: the hump and get them back in playoff contention. So

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, from a program built standpoint, this

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Speaker 1: is a very important year for this organization overall. It's

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Speaker 1: an important draft for Dave. He's already done what he

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Speaker 1: needs to do in fregency. This is an important draft

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Speaker 1: for him, and it's gonna be just critical that Joe

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Speaker 1: I think the one loss record is going to tell

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Speaker 1: and who it is headed with come two, it's a

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Speaker 1: very winnable division. All four teams think they can do

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Speaker 1: and they will try. Lewis great insight, tremendous stuff. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you being generous with your time. We look

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing you covering the draft for ESPN in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for having me. That's Lewis Reddick again.

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Speaker 1: You can see him covering the NFL for ESPN. You

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Speaker 1: Live of course Monday Night Football, and of course once

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Speaker 1: again he'll be in Cleveland for ESPN Draft coverage in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. For Lewis Reddeck, I'm John Schmall.

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